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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, what we need is more common sense.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
About how American common sense.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Will see this through with the common sense of Houston.
I'm just pro common sense for Houston. From Houston Way
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
We'll have me National Burger Day. Yes, yes, today is
National Burger Day. Are aren't you excited about that? I'm
excited about it. It's a great excuse to go eat burger
if you can find a burger you really like. I'll
get into my specifications here about what constitutes are really
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good burger. First of all, non fast food. Although if
I had to go with a fast food burger, then
what a Burger's not a bad choice. But for the
purpose of National Burger Day, I'd want to eat from
a diner, a mom and pop shop, a restaurant. You
a hole in the wall kind of a thing, whatever
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it may be. I've got a place like that in Spring.
It's called what is it b B threes Burgers and
brew b threes And it's just a little it's a
little hole in the wall. It's right off of Rayford Road,
just a little bit, you know, just just south of
the Woodlands, just a little bit east of I forty five.
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If you're going off I forty five, you know, you
take the Rayford Road exit and then it's it's it's
a few blocks down and it's in a strip ball
it's it's it's as much a bar as it is
a burger joint. But they they make their burgers fresh.
You can get them cooked any way you want. Which again,
in my world, it's not a good burger unless I
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can get it rare. That's that's not to say I
have to have a rare burger. Elizabeth has to have
a real I mean, just a raw burger. She needed
uncooked if she could, and she probably does. But she
likes a really rare burger. So I can't take her
somewhere where I can't get her a rare burger. So
I've learned to appreciate at least medium rare, and the
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burgers I like him. I like them nice and pink.
I don't mind. I don't mind them being a little
raw towards the middle, you know, I don't mind that
at Allum medium rare is perfect for just about all
things involving me. So we did a talkback today on
the morning show in kt RH on the iHeartRadio app,
and we had people who were telling me their favorite burgers.
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Where's your favorite burger, what makes it so special? That
kind of thing, And I thought i'd share some of
that with you right now a National Burger Day, Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I find Burger Buy down on the Heights to be
the best I've found in the Houston area. They call
it a New York style burger. I'm telling you it
is Texas good and worth a business.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
It's katy in the city. My favorite burger is at
La Lucha in the Heights. Now that place. The restaurant
is known for its oysters, raw oysters and fried chicken.
I said what I said, I know, but if you
ordered the burger, there's only like fifteen things on the menu.
If you order the burger, it's what chefs would make
for each other. It is amazing. It's going to run
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you a little bit under fifteen dollars. Other than that,
bex Prime is pretty good.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Yeah. Hey, this is Daniels from Border. My favorite burger
probably Thiss Burger in Town. I think is the Bubba's
Burger Shack. It's on the West Park and Price kind
of that area from Bellair. Fantastic Vegas Burger is probably
my favorite burger there. Fantastic burger place. Kind of a
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divy place, but really good.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Good morning, Jimmy Barrig and Sky. This is Jeff from Conrod.
My favorite burger and it's standalone is In and Out Burger.
There's a shame taste and quality you can't touch. Y'all
have your dad, you know?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know, my wife, Elizabeth lived in California for a
while and she was all about the In and Out
Burger until she moved here to Texas. When we moved here,
and she had a what a burger if you were
to if you were to make her pick and any
burger that she'd be willing to eat that is thoroughly
cooked all the way through. It's going to be the
mushrooms Swiss Burger from what a Burger. I've been with
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her to In and Out because I know they're here now.
I don't get it. I don't get the attraction of
In and Out Burger. I know a lot of Californians
really like it, but I just I don't quite get
it also from a lot of people who who basically,
you know, we're remembering about, you know, places that no
longer exist. And that's the other thing I asked for today.
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Don't tell me about a place that no longer exist.
I want to hear about places where I can get
these burgers just the way I want them.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
Hey, Jimmy, this is Wyatt from Porter.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I just wanted to.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
Check in with Tahas Burgers and Tomball. They've got a
smoke burger Man. You can't go wrong with that one.
And Ron's Hamburger's also in Tomball. They've got the chili
down so you can get your chili cheeseburger there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's all I got.
Speaker 8 (05:14):
Y'all have a good.
Speaker 9 (05:15):
Day, David and Oakridge.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Best burger is a wagou beef at Lynn's Table in
old Town Spring.
Speaker 8 (05:22):
Burger Bay Cliff, Texas. They're Buffalo Burger is awesome this
Scott Pacedena.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Y'all have a good one.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
One thinks I'm finding out from this is how many
really good burger places are close to me in Spring.
I mean tom Ball's right round, I'm right between. I'm
back in that little triangle for me. Describe it as
kind of the Bermuda Triangle of Texas. Klein, you know,
the Klein area, which is just barely south of the Woodlands,
east of Tomball, west of Spring, just kind of in
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between everything. So I get a chance to virtually try
them all out. All right, let's grab a few more.
Speaker 9 (05:59):
The best burger in Houston area is now Trump Burger
in Keemba.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
It is really good.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Good morning, Jimmy Barrett. This is Rick from the East Side.
I heard you mentioned best burgers in Houston. Have you
been down to Seabrook and tried the burger at Cookies
and Man, don't forget the honey rings.
Speaker 10 (06:20):
Hi, Jimmy, every time we go to Houston, me and
my husband stop.
Speaker 11 (06:24):
At Gringos and Porter and get the Obama Burger.
Speaker 12 (06:28):
Best burger we ever had.
Speaker 13 (06:30):
Y'all have to check it out, Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
This is Blake m.
Speaker 13 (06:33):
Katie. Well, it's a little bit of a drive outside
the city.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But if you ever want a really good burger.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
It stopped by Belleville, Texas and go to the Hill
been there for a long long time and dagon all
kinds of great old fashioned burgers.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
This is dickyet Diykin, best burger joy love. Many locations
throughout the Houstonia can beat it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Hey, Jimmy, this is Andrew from Spring.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
If you want a good, good burger, you need to
go to Bailey's on stub To Airlines, just north of Luetta.
It is outstanding.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's a mom and pop place. I know the.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
Ownerly and and if you go in there, they have
Trump stuff all over the place. Say you know what
kount of people you're dealing with, He'll have a good morning.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So that helps with the atmosphere, doesn't it good burger
but also good atmosphere. You know what you find out
from this just how many, just how popular burgers continue
to be. I saw some survey from my think the
door Dash. They claim that the top burger in most
states is a chicken burger. A chicken burger. You can't
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use the word chicken and burger in the same sentence.
Chickens are not burgers. It's like telling me, well, I
think a turkey burger is better than a beef burger. Well, no,
no it's not. I mean, you can make some good
things with turkey meat, but nan if you just feel
like an old fashioned you know, hamburger, cheeseburger man, you
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gotta go. You gotta go to the old timing places,
I think in order to find what you're really looking for.
All right, Happy National Burger Day. Enough of that, although
we will have a burger segment coming up now a
third segment today. We've got a burger expert, little history
of the burger coming your way in just a little bit.
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All right, let's talk a little bit about some of
the bills that are going to govern Abbot to sign
or maybe not signed, because there are some bills that
he may decide he wants to veto. Not everything that
gets through the state legislature is automatically signed by the governor.
Now you know the school of vouxtuer bills getting signed
by the governor, But there are a couple of other
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bills involving schools that may not get signed by the governor.
KPRC two did a report. Yest say, there are our
television partner here. They are talking about some of the
bills going to the governor's desk for his signature. Maybe
maybe they'll get the signature one of them involving cell phones,
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your kid's cell phones. So take a listen.
Speaker 12 (09:17):
Lawmakers are sending several bills to the Governor's desk, impacting
students across the state. As the Harris County Medical Examiner's
Office says, the death of fourteen year old Landing Payton
remains undetermined. Lawmakers are working to make sure automatic external
defibrillators are working properly.
Speaker 14 (09:34):
A functioning AED machine was not available until first responders arrived,
which unfortunately was too late. His tragic passing highlighted a
critical gap in safety measures across Texas schools.
Speaker 12 (09:51):
Another school bill allowing prayers back in the classroom send
A Bill eleven says prayer time cannot replace instructional time,
but school boards could allow school administrators to set time
aside for students to pray or read any religious text
of their choosing. Goveston's Mas Middleton wrote the.
Speaker 15 (10:09):
Bill in Texas, our schools are not God free zones.
This bill outlines a framework that school districts may use
if they vote to allow a period of prayer and
Bible reading or other religious texts.
Speaker 12 (10:20):
The bill requires parental consents, and students who don't consents
cannot be around other students who are either praying or
reading a religious text. A bonents say if signed into law,
this opens the states to lawsuits. Another bill that could
change what happens in the classroom isn't terribly new, banning
cell phones during instructional times. Several school districts in our
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area have something similar, like HISD SI fai ID and
Katie I Tat's and in a few.
Speaker 11 (10:47):
I think that the policy neglects the parents' ability to
decide what's best for their child. It cuts off communication
in a way. But I think most people are a
bit nervous, or a lot of Maybe not most, but
a lot of parents are.
Speaker 12 (11:02):
Nervous about In the last two years, at least eight
states have issued similar cell phone banned policies. In this
legislation has bipartisan support. In Austin, we are waiting to
see if the governor signs it or any of the
other bills.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Do you think the governor will sign that bill about
cell phones? I have a sneaking suspicion that might be
one he chickens out on because of the female vote.
You know, I don't mean I'm not trying to pick
on women. Don't think I'm trying to pick on women
by saying this, But it seems to me that it's
the moms who are primarily concerned about the communication with
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their child thing. And I don't know, I guess I
guess it goes maybe back to the school shootings, when
school shootings first started, because before that, I don't think
people were very nervous with the or had in their
head the idea that they wanted their child to have
a cell phone, that they wanted to have the cell
phone in class or with the child at all hours
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of the day so that if anything were to happen,
they can contact their student. And I think it's the
it's the paranoia over school safety that's leading the charge
on this. Now, most of us are old enough that
we remember a day and age before cell phones where
nobody would have thought to have a cell phone or
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have you have the ability to communicate with your parents
during the school day. I can honestly say that I
never had. My parents never called the school, let alone
tried to call me worried about this, that or the other.
I mean, the school day that was like going to
work for me. That was the school day, was my
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business day. And they just they didn't bother. They they
didn't worry about it all day long. They didn't worry
about was what was happening with me at school. But
I think moms now in particular. There's some dads too,
but moms in particular are worried about this all the time.
They're worried about their child. If their child is not
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within their sight, they want their child to have a
communication device with them so that they can contact them. Now,
that's not going to make them any safer, mind you.
So I don't think it's really about safety. It's about
knowing what's going on with your child. Now, if I
were mom, and heaven forbid, there was a school shooting
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at my child's school, and I'm calling my child, and
my child either is not answering the cell phone or
answers the cell phone and is in trouble. Is that
the kind of communication you really wanted to have, Because
if they're not answering the cell phone, you're thinking the
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worst possible things. Right. Your child may just have the
ringer turned down, they may be evacuating the school building
and can't talk to you, whatever the case is, but
you're imagining that if they're not answer the phone, they're
being killed. So I don't see what good purpose cell
phones actually serve, you aren't getting any more information. If anything,
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you're probably getting rumors in innuendos and not real, you know,
real pertinent information. And the rest of the time, the
cell phone is a complete distraction. So I hope the
governor signs it. Don't. I don't think we need cell
phones student cell phones in our schools. I don't care
how worried you are. It's more of a distraction and
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more of an opportunity for kids to cheat on things
like test that it's worth for the rare occasion that
you have a safety issue at that particular school. At
least that's my thought on that. And by the way,
speaking of school, President Trump is like a dog with
a bone on this Harvard thing, isn't he. I mean,
he's just he's just eliminating every single penny he possibly can. Yesterday,
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I think he canceled something like one hundred million dollars
worth the research contracts with Harvard University, and Harvard just
is refusing to give up. They're feeling that they should
be able to be completely in charge of everything that
they do in every policy that they have, and that
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they don't need to answer to the federal government. Well,
here's the problem. When you accept contracts and funding for
the federal government. Guess what you get the answer to
the federal government. So here's a little more of what
President Trump had to say about Harvard and some response
to this from Dana Perino, who I think would like
to maybe play the role of peacemaker in this thing.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
They refuse to tell us who the people are. We
want to know who the people. Now, a lot of
the foreign students we wouldn't have a problem with. I'm
not going to have a problem with foreign students, but
they shouldn't be thirty one percent is too much. We
want a list of those foreign students and we'll find
out whether or not they're okay.
Speaker 16 (15:56):
So one of the things that over and over again
I think is a problem is it's not clear what
is the problem we are trying to solve. Okay, So
I think if the White House could say this is
the exact problem we want to solve, then be a
little bit more. Is it anti semitism?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Even like with trade? Is it this?
Speaker 16 (16:12):
Is it that it could tande?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It could be all of those things.
Speaker 16 (16:15):
And I think what Harvard is failing to do is
one say, sir, what problem you wants to solve, like,
let's talk about it, and you don't just do it
in public, do it behind this closed doors. Everybody's got
good lawyers, go behind closed doors and say how do
we get this done? What I liked hearing from him
is that he said, I'm not against foreign students being here.
He said, we're not against the In fact, we're probably
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fine with most of them. Okay, that's a great starting place,
all right, so let's start there. If you feel like,
if you're at Harvard and you think most of your
students are great, let's let's talk it all through. We
can go through and do it behind the scenes. It
doesn't have to be public, and nobody has to be shamed.
And maybe everybody's fine and that ends up being good.
But I do believe that this opens up another question,
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which is the bigger problem we should try to solve,
which is which ones of our adversaries I will name China, Russia,
and I'm gonna throw Katar in there as well, because
they fund a lot of this anti Semitism stuff across America.
They are funding programs at universities to indoctrinate students because
they don't want to have to deal with having to
be persuasive and lobby our government in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So what's happened.
Speaker 16 (17:19):
That's been going on for about thirty five forty years,
So now you have the professors are indoctrinated the student,
and it continues on. I also maintain that this doesn't
start in college. This is much much younger, and that's
why there's an educational revolt in this country for more
school choice or more homeschooling, because people do not want
up this kind of thing talk to their kids.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I don't think there's a disconnect here, do you. I
think Trump's made it pretty clear what his problem is.
He's got two problems. He's got two problems. Number one,
there's anti semitism on campus, and the university doesn't seem
to care about it or doesn't want to do anything
about it. Either way, Jewish students are uncomfortable and they
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don't feel like they're safe, and they have every right
to be there as much as anybody else has the
right to be there. So as a university, you have
to say, we do not tolerate anti semitism, we do
not tolerate discrimination of any kind. Therefore, we're not going
to have protests like this on either side of these issues.
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That's not what we're here for. We're here to learn.
So I think that's the number one problem. And then
the number two problem is is that they're letting in
so many foreign students. There are plenty of American students
who are not getting the same opportunity. And I'm sorry.
It's an American university. They should be giving the same
opportunities to Americans that they're giving to these foreign students.
I know they make more money probably from the foreign students, certainly,
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but there ought to be room here for compromise if
Harvard were willing to compromise, But they seem to be
so full of themselves they don't think they need to compromise.
I think Trump is here to tell them, yeah, you do,
you do, or you're not going to be doing business
with the United States government. All right, quick, little break,
We're back with more more on Burger's coming up. It's
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National Burger Day. Back with more mom a Jimmy Bart
Show here on NAM nine fifty KTRC. All Right, today
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is National Burger Day, and we've been celebrating all day
with us this morning on our morning show in Kat
rh We were asking you for your favorite Houston Berger,
and I gave you some parameters. By the way, I'm
going to share my parameters with our next guest, ce
if he agrees about the perfect hamburger what it takes
to make the perfect hamburger. But this guy is a
hamburger historian, is the author of Hamburger Dreams. How classic
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crime solving techniques helped crack the case of America's greatest
culinary mystery. His name is Christopher Carrosa. Christopher, Welcome to
our show. You're a bit of a historian when it
comes to hamburgers, and there's a lot of controversy over
who invented the hamburger. What do you say? Are you there?
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Can you hear me? Hello?
Speaker 13 (20:19):
Yeah, something clicked? They heard a click and then you disappeared.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh okay, Well let me repeat the question for you then,
which is there's a little there's a bit of controversy
over how the hamburger originated and where it came from.
What have you found out about the original hamburger? Where
did it come from?
Speaker 13 (20:36):
Well, you're right, there's a lot of different stories, competing stories,
but it really comes down to figuring out which of
the stories occurred before the first mention of a news
of a hamburger in the newspapers, so about half the
stories came about too late. They were in the early
nineteen hundreds. But newspapers mentioned the quote of quote hamburg
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sandwich as early as eighteen ninety three, so any story
that has an origin after that date obviously wasn't true.
So what I had to do is I had to
look and see the facts that people used when they
told their stories to see if there was contemporary, independent
verification of those facts, which is what I did, and
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I was able to conclude that the first hamburger was
sold on Friday, September eighteenth, eighteen eighty five, at the
Erie County Fair by two brothers from Ohio named Charles
and Frank Menchez.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Wow, I'd never heard that before. I've heard most of
the stories I've heard about the origins of the hamburger
go back to the early nineteen hundreds. They don't go
back to the eighteen hundreds. That's a lot of detective
work you had to do.
Speaker 13 (21:52):
Well. You know, it's very funny because for about half
a century, newspapers would fill in white space with this
little factoid that says the hamburger was invented at the
nineteen oh four Saint Louis World's Fair. So and there
were bigger stories about that, and it was all really
all came about because of an argument between Texas and Connecticut.
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As far as who actually invented the hamburger. It turns
out neither of those stories were true, but they made
a lot of interesting fodder for newspapers.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
All right, Well, then, so we now know that the
orchards of the hamburger go back to the eighteen eighties.
What about the hamburger bun? When did the hamburger bun?
Because I think they used to make it just between
two pieces of bread in the beginning, right, that's right.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
In fact, there's a newspaper article from the mid eighteen
nineties that describes a Chicago street vendor selling hamburgers and
how he slices loads of breads to get like a
V shaped wedge, and they put the hamburger in the
middle of that V and that's how they that's how
they would eat a hamburger. They even had a pick
an illustration of somebody eating a hamburger that way. But
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the Mensis Brothers they did that, they sliced the bread
and put the hamburger in the bread. There were no buns.
The buns came about a little later on in the
eighteen nineties, not too much after all that it was
first sold by the nineteen hundreds. The buns were the
fairly the you know, the typical thing that you would
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put on a hamburger. And the reason why we know
that is because when they talk about when the newspapers
talk about the fairs and exhibitions and carnivals that occur,
not only do they mention the number of people that
attended to show you how big the event was, but
they also mentioned the number of hamburgers sold, the number.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Of buns sold at.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
Those two things went together.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
By then, how did it get the name hamburger? There's
no ham in a hamburger, right right.
Speaker 13 (23:56):
Right, that's you know. So remember the first name wasn't Hamburger.
The first name was a hamburg sandwich.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Oh.
Speaker 13 (24:04):
If you look at restaurant menus, that's what you'll see.
You'll see a hamburg sandwich. And it so happens that
the Erie County Fair in eighteen eighty five that the
Mensches Brothers was at it's outside of Buffalo, so originally
it was in the city of Buffalo, but a few
years earlier it moved out because Buffalo got too big
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and the fair got too big, so they went out
to the neighboring town. And the town where the Erie
County Fair ended up being and it remains today, is
a town called Hamburg, New York. The Menshies brothers, and
this invention of the Hamburger was totally by accident. They
were there selling pork sausage sandwiches, not ground beef sandwiches.
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They needed to replace the pork sausage with something else
when they ran out of it, and all that was
available was ground beef, so they didn't have a name
for it when they were selling it, but it sold
out and it was very popular, and one of the
customers came up and said, Hey, this is really good.
What do you call it? And Frank said, well, he
looked around and he saw Hamburg Fair. That's what they
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were a big banner that said Hamburg Fair. So he said, oh,
it's a Hamburg sandwich. And a lot of people think
that's just too cute of a story to be true.
But when I did my research, I actually read a
newspaper article from September of eighteen eighty five about that
particular Hamburg or Erie County Fair. And there's a similar
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story involving cheese where somebody comes up to a cheese
vendor and says, what do you call this? And the
vendor says, it's called hamburg cheese. So it was a
naming convention that was popular during their era.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well, as long as you brought it up, then how
long did it take before they figured out to put
a cheese on a hamburger? And what about condiments like
ketchup and mustard, those kinds of things.
Speaker 13 (25:50):
The condiments and the onions too. That was pretty fast.
That happened almost as soon as they started making the hamburgers.
Cheese wasn't too much longer after that. Remember that Chicago
story that I was talking to you about before. In
that story they talked about putting cheese on hamburgers. They
didn't call it a cheeseburger. The name cheeseburger didn't come
about until the nineteen twenties. And there's some debate as
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to whether or not it originated from California or Kentucky.
It looks like pretty much it was California, where the
phrase first originated. But they've been putting cheese on hamburgers
long before the name cheeseburger came about.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
We're talking to the hamburger historian Christopher Carosa, the author
of Hamburger Dreams, how classic crime solving techniques helped crack
the case of America's greatest culinary mystery. If you want
to read more about that. With his book, obviously he
studied all there is to know about hamburger's. I have
to know what is your favorite hamburger. We're asking our
listeners this morning, but where they get their favorite Houston
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hamburger and what it is about it that makes it
so special. I have my own rules as far as
what I consider to be the perfect hamburger. What are
your rules?
Speaker 13 (27:00):
Well, first of all, my favorite hamburger is the one
that I cook at my own backyard, so it's served
with When I put the hamburger together, I put spices
in it, garlic, onions, mint, you know, things like that,
and I've put it all that I don't put. I
don't put the breadcrumbs in it because then it becomes
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a meatball. But it's very similar spices to a meatball
and you just took it like a regular hamburger. I
don't put cheese on it either.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Okay, all right, But if you had to buy one,
if you had to get a go to a restaurant
to get a hamburger. What what's your favorite hamburger joint?
You gotta have one?
Speaker 13 (27:39):
Uh, there's I like all of them. Really, it's the
only it's the one with the shortest.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Line that I my Here's here's my rules. Who you
think of my rules as far as hamburgers. First of all,
I I tried to not get fast food hamburgers. I
you know a lot of them are just in my
mind or overcooked and don't have enough flavor. But you know,
most of the best hamburgers I found it, you know,
look like dives and diners and hole in the wall places.
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I also, the first question we always ask, my wife
and I we always ask when we go into a joint,
is can I get my burger rare? And if the
answer is yes, then I'm going to eat it. Not
because I want to have the burger rare. I want
to know that they trust their meat enough and their
meat is fresh enough that I don't have to worry
about that, that it's going to be a great quality burger.
Speaker 13 (28:29):
Yeah, that's that's a very good test. I never thought
of that.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You didn't. I thought I.
Speaker 13 (28:35):
Thought for my meat to be done.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Medium, rare or rare. Yeah, but you don't do that
with burgers. Huh No, I do.
Speaker 13 (28:44):
I do. I do ask for the burgers to be
done that way too, but I didn't think of asking
it in the same way that you asked it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean that. I mean that's my philosophy about it.
My wife will eat them just I mean completely raw
if she could, so she won't eat she won't let
us go to a Burger Joy where she can't get
a rare burger. I get my medium where I prefer
a medium rare versus rare. But but you know there
are places like that where you know you can get
a cooked that way and those are usually the best
burger places. Yep.
Speaker 13 (29:12):
You know. The other thing is when I cook the
meat outside on my own grill, I have to buy
the meat where there's enough fat in it so it
sort of greases up. That helps me determine when it's
cooked well.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
And I think you know, fattest flavor right when when
you get right done to it. That's right. You gotta
have fat in there, You're not gonna have very much
flavor if it's a really super lean burger. What do
you think has made the hamburger such a popular item?
But I think it's still the favorite thing that most
Americans eed. If they had to pick one thing, or
if they had to pick a top five list of
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things that they like to go out to get to eat,
and they consistently will get it to eat, I would
think a hamburger is always in the top five.
Speaker 13 (29:54):
You know. One of the most interesting things in talking
to people about the history at Hamburger is talking to
hot dog historians, and we're trying to figure out why
hamburgers are the go to fast food sandwich and not
hot dog because hot dogs were around first. Hot dogs
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were very popular at baseball parks things like that before
the hamburger was even invented. And yet almost every fast
food place is based on hamburgers, even Shake Shack. Shake
Shack started as a hot dog place in New York City,
but now it's known for its hamburgers. So go figure
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for some reason people are just attracted to hamburgers. Maybe
it's maybe they're wholesome in a little way. Maybe they
kind of speak of America in the fact that you
know they're they're made from cows, and you think of cowboys.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Who knows, but there's no.
Speaker 13 (30:51):
Denying that they're the most popular sandwich out there.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, I think it might also have something to do
with their they're more substantive. You know, you can, you can,
you could be all completely satisfied after one Hamburger, but
they don't have a hamburg grating contest. Joey Chestnut and
can eat probably fifty or sixty or one hundred hot dogs,
But you can't do that with a Hamburger.
Speaker 13 (31:11):
Kenny, Oh no, you can't swallow Amberger's hole like you
can do virtually with hot dog.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, that's for sure. This It has been a fun
talking to you. I appreciate your time today, Christopher, Thank you,
all right.
Speaker 13 (31:23):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Hamburger historian and the author of Hamburger Dreams. How classic
crime solving techniques help crack the case of America's greatest
culinary mystery. Christopher Corrosive back with born a moment Jimmy
Beer Show. Here an a nine to fifty KPRC. All right,
(31:54):
I'm full after that. Yeah, I'm talking about Hamberger's all day.
I feel like I've eaten ten Hamburgers. Let's move on
to something else there. How do you feel Do you
feel healthy? Saw this story? I never got to this
one this morning. I should get to it now. The
average American only feels fully healthy nineteen days out of
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the month. The most common problems include fatigue and mood changes.
Mood changes is that more? Is that the women that
might be the women? That might be the women more
than the men. As far as the mood changes, fatigue,
(32:39):
You're tired? Do you not get enough sleep? So? And
by the way, does being tired make you feel less healthy?
Isn't you know being tired kind of a normal part
of life. If you ask somebody here, here's the whole story.
If you ask somebody how are you, chances are they're
going to say something like good, fine, or not bad.
Then they'll flip it back to you and you'll say
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something similar, but you both are probably lying. According to
this new report, the average American only feels fully healthy
nineteen days in a typical month. That's roughly sixty three
percent of the time, So thirty seven percent of the
time you feel unhealthy. So in a typical week, you'll
feel fully healthy for about four out of seven days,
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less healthy for three days. And this is just about
feeling healthy, not that everything is perfect. Of what they said,
the main problems were the According to this poll, people
said being tired, fatigue, That was true of about thirteen
days per month, mood changes ten days per month, wow,
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digestive issues nine point eight days per month, headaches seven
and a half days per month. Those were the common
things that people complained about. I've never considered it. It's
kind of like asking people to define what sick means.
You know, what does sick mean to you? To me,
you're only sick if you can't go to work, you're sick.
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To me, having a cold is not being sick. It's
an inconvenience. You know your nose is stuffy, you're still working,
You're still fine, You're a little tired. You know you
got a nose full. But to me, that's not sick. Sick.
Sick goes to the next level. I don't use the
word sick unless I can't go to work. If I
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if I have a fever, i'm sick. If I have
the flu, i'm sick. If if generally, if I can't
go to work, i'm sick. If I can work, then
I'm not sick. That's I realized. That's not a medical definition,
that's my own definition.
Speaker 15 (34:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
The other day we were talking about let me let
me run this past you here before we call today.
The other day we were talking about the president of
France and his wife slapping him or I guess shoving
him in the face. To me, there's not much of
a difference between slapping a shove of the face. Either
one is obtrusive, abusive and shouldn't be done in polite company.
(35:07):
And so that the fact that this happened on board
the French presidential plane and that he was in the
doorway where everybody could see him, and she did it.
You couldn't see her, you could just see her arm,
but you know it was her brought up a lot
of commentary from people about you know, controlling your temper,
(35:28):
about you know what, what do you think that he
said to her, that she would react that way, et cetera,
et cetera. So it became a big topic, and I'm
sure an embarrassing topic for President Macrone. Greg Guttfeld had
a little fun with it. On his show last night
with his panel.
Speaker 17 (35:47):
French gets slugged by his wench. A video of the
day comes from US from French President Emanuel mccrone's wife
of Brigette, caught on cameras shoving him in the face
before getting off a plane in Vietnam. He's tried his
best to play it off when he realized they'd been spotted.
(36:08):
Macrone later tried to downplay it, saying, quote, we are
scribbling and rather drugging these wife, I know. Is that amazing?
Let's watch it again in slow motion?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh my god? Yeah, here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 17 (36:22):
Hey yeah, just a playful merrill love touch. But here's
how you know it's real. As they're getting off the plane,
Macron offers his arm to help her walk down the stairs.
She doesn't take it. She walks right by him. That's
all you need to know. So what were they really
fighting about?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Couples fight all fight over.
Speaker 17 (36:44):
All sorts of things, right, But remember they did meet
when he was just fifteen and she was thirty nine,
a teacher at his school. That's a difference of twenty
four years between a kid and a middle aged lady.
Goes to show the difference between their first lady and
America's previous one and France, it's the elder who dishes
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out the abuse.
Speaker 15 (37:07):
I happened to think that she was upset because of
that press conference.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He gave those jokes. He was making play that tape. Guys.
Speaker 18 (37:18):
My wife, he's so old. She was a waitress at
Za's supper. My wife, she is so old. She drove
a chaves to high school. My wife is so old
she remembers when the Beatas were called a new kid's
own the brock. My wife is so old she remembers
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when the Mayans published the first Canada.
Speaker 13 (37:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Wow, yeah, she sends it him. Yeah, I would be
too twenty four Did you know that I didn't realize
twenty four year difference between the French president and his wife.
They met at his school. She was a teacher in
thirty nine and he was fifteen years old. That's got
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some serious creep factor, does it not. Wow? Okay, well,
safe to say when you have a spouse that's twenty
four years older than you are, chances are pretty good
that she's the boss in this particular case. So it
could have been something as simple as him actually, you know,
trying to exercise. I am the president of France. You
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can't tell me what to do, and of course she's
more than happy to tell him what to do. Who knows. Hey, listen,
y'all have a great day. Thanks for listening. I'll see
you tomorrow morning. Burton Earley starting at five am over
on news radio seven forty KTRH. We were back here
at four an am nine fifty KPRC, but
Speaker 16 (39:00):
Then fling went the best
Well, what we need is more common sense.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Common breaking down the world's nonsense.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
About how American common sense.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Will see this through with the common sense of Houston.
I'm just pro common sense for Houston. From Houston Way
dot Com show. This is the Jimmy Barrett Show, brought
to you by viewind dot Com. Now here's Jimmy Barrett.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
We'll have me National Burger Day. Yes, yes, today is
National Burger Day. Are aren't you excited about that? I'm
excited about it. It's a great excuse to go eat burger
if you can find a burger you really like. I'll
get into my specifications here about what constitutes are really
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good burger. First of all, non fast food. Although if
I had to go with a fast food burger, then
what a Burger's not a bad choice. But for the
purpose of National Burger Day, I'd want to eat from
a diner, a mom and pop shop, a restaurant. You
a hole in the wall kind of a thing, whatever
(01:12):
it may be. I've got a place like that in Spring.
It's called what is it b B threes Burgers and
brew b threes And it's just a little it's a
little hole in the wall. It's right off of Rayford Road,
just a little bit, you know, just just south of
the Woodlands, just a little bit east of I forty five.
(01:34):
If you're going off I forty five, you know, you
take the Rayford Road exit and then it's it's it's
a few blocks down and it's in a strip ball
it's it's it's as much a bar as it is
a burger joint. But they they make their burgers fresh.
You can get them cooked any way you want. Which again,
in my world, it's not a good burger unless I
(01:56):
can get it rare. That's that's not to say I
have to have a rare burger. Elizabeth has to have
a real I mean, just a raw burger. She needed
uncooked if she could, and she probably does. But she
likes a really rare burger. So I can't take her
somewhere where I can't get her a rare burger. So
I've learned to appreciate at least medium rare, and the
(02:16):
burgers I like him. I like them nice and pink.
I don't mind. I don't mind them being a little
raw towards the middle, you know, I don't mind that
at Allum medium rare is perfect for just about all
things involving me. So we did a talkback today on
the morning show in kt RH on the iHeartRadio app,
and we had people who were telling me their favorite burgers.
(02:39):
Where's your favorite burger, what makes it so special? That
kind of thing, And I thought i'd share some of
that with you right now a National Burger Day, Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I find Burger Buy down on the Heights to be
the best I've found in the Houston area. They call
it a New York style burger. I'm telling you it
is Texas good and worth a business.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
It's katy in the city. My favorite burger is at
La Lucha in the Heights. Now that place. The restaurant
is known for its oysters, raw oysters and fried chicken.
I said what I said, I know, but if you
ordered the burger, there's only like fifteen things on the menu.
If you order the burger, it's what chefs would make
for each other. It is amazing. It's going to run
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you a little bit under fifteen dollars. Other than that,
bex Prime is pretty good.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Yeah. Hey, this is Daniels from Border. My favorite burger
probably Thiss Burger in Town. I think is the Bubba's
Burger Shack. It's on the West Park and Price kind
of that area from Bellair. Fantastic Vegas Burger is probably
my favorite burger there. Fantastic burger place. Kind of a
(03:47):
divy place, but really good.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Good morning, Jimmy Barrig and Sky. This is Jeff from Conrod.
My favorite burger and it's standalone is In and Out Burger.
There's a shame taste and quality you can't touch. Y'all
have your dad, you know?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
You know, my wife, Elizabeth lived in California for a
while and she was all about the In and Out
Burger until she moved here to Texas. When we moved here,
and she had a what a burger if you were
to if you were to make her pick and any
burger that she'd be willing to eat that is thoroughly
cooked all the way through. It's going to be the
mushrooms Swiss Burger from what a Burger. I've been with
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her to In and Out because I know they're here now.
I don't get it. I don't get the attraction of
In and Out Burger. I know a lot of Californians
really like it, but I just I don't quite get
it also from a lot of people who who basically,
you know, we're remembering about, you know, places that no
longer exist. And that's the other thing I asked for today.
(04:51):
Don't tell me about a place that no longer exist.
I want to hear about places where I can get
these burgers just the way I want them.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
Hey, Jimmy, this is Wyatt from Porter.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I just wanted to.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
Check in with Tahas Burgers and Tomball. They've got a
smoke burger Man. You can't go wrong with that one.
And Ron's Hamburger's also in Tomball. They've got the chili
down so you can get your chili cheeseburger there.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's all I got.
Speaker 8 (05:14):
Y'all have a good.
Speaker 9 (05:15):
Day, David and Oakridge.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Best burger is a wagou beef at Lynn's Table in
old Town Spring.
Speaker 8 (05:22):
Burger Bay Cliff, Texas. They're Buffalo Burger is awesome this
Scott Pacedena.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Y'all have a good one.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
One thinks I'm finding out from this is how many
really good burger places are close to me in Spring.
I mean tom Ball's right round, I'm right between. I'm
back in that little triangle for me. Describe it as
kind of the Bermuda Triangle of Texas. Klein, you know,
the Klein area, which is just barely south of the Woodlands,
east of Tomball, west of Spring, just kind of in
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between everything. So I get a chance to virtually try
them all out. All right, let's grab a few more.
Speaker 9 (05:59):
The best burger in Houston area is now Trump Burger
in Keemba.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
It is really good.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Good morning, Jimmy Barrett. This is Rick from the East Side.
I heard you mentioned best burgers in Houston. Have you
been down to Seabrook and tried the burger at Cookies
and Man, don't forget the honey rings.
Speaker 10 (06:20):
Hi, Jimmy, every time we go to Houston, me and
my husband stop.
Speaker 11 (06:24):
At Gringos and Porter and get the Obama Burger.
Speaker 12 (06:28):
Best burger we ever had.
Speaker 13 (06:30):
Y'all have to check it out, Jimmy.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
This is Blake m.
Speaker 13 (06:33):
Katie. Well, it's a little bit of a drive outside
the city.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But if you ever want a really good burger.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
It stopped by Belleville, Texas and go to the Hill
been there for a long long time and dagon all
kinds of great old fashioned burgers.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
This is dickyet Diykin, best burger joy love. Many locations
throughout the Houstonia can beat it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Hey, Jimmy, this is Andrew from Spring.
Speaker 9 (06:56):
If you want a good, good burger, you need to
go to Bailey's on stub To Airlines, just north of Luetta.
It is outstanding.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's a mom and pop place. I know the.
Speaker 9 (07:06):
Ownerly and and if you go in there, they have
Trump stuff all over the place. Say you know what
kount of people you're dealing with, He'll have a good morning.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So that helps with the atmosphere, doesn't it good burger
but also good atmosphere. You know what you find out
from this just how many, just how popular burgers continue
to be. I saw some survey from my think the
door Dash. They claim that the top burger in most
states is a chicken burger. A chicken burger. You can't
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use the word chicken and burger in the same sentence.
Chickens are not burgers. It's like telling me, well, I
think a turkey burger is better than a beef burger. Well, no,
no it's not. I mean, you can make some good
things with turkey meat, but nan if you just feel
like an old fashioned you know, hamburger, cheeseburger man, you
(07:57):
gotta go. You gotta go to the old timing places,
I think in order to find what you're really looking for.
All right, Happy National Burger Day. Enough of that, although
we will have a burger segment coming up now a
third segment today. We've got a burger expert, little history
of the burger coming your way in just a little bit.
(08:32):
All right, let's talk a little bit about some of
the bills that are going to govern Abbot to sign
or maybe not signed, because there are some bills that
he may decide he wants to veto. Not everything that
gets through the state legislature is automatically signed by the governor.
Now you know the school of vouxtuer bills getting signed
by the governor, But there are a couple of other
(08:54):
bills involving schools that may not get signed by the governor.
KPRC two did a report. Yest say, there are our
television partner here. They are talking about some of the
bills going to the governor's desk for his signature. Maybe
maybe they'll get the signature one of them involving cell phones,
(09:15):
your kid's cell phones. So take a listen.
Speaker 12 (09:17):
Lawmakers are sending several bills to the Governor's desk, impacting
students across the state. As the Harris County Medical Examiner's
Office says, the death of fourteen year old Landing Payton
remains undetermined. Lawmakers are working to make sure automatic external
defibrillators are working properly.
Speaker 14 (09:34):
A functioning AED machine was not available until first responders arrived,
which unfortunately was too late. His tragic passing highlighted a
critical gap in safety measures across Texas schools.
Speaker 12 (09:51):
Another school bill allowing prayers back in the classroom send
A Bill eleven says prayer time cannot replace instructional time,
but school boards could allow school administrators to set time
aside for students to pray or read any religious text
of their choosing. Goveston's Mas Middleton wrote the.
Speaker 15 (10:09):
Bill in Texas, our schools are not God free zones.
This bill outlines a framework that school districts may use
if they vote to allow a period of prayer and
Bible reading or other religious texts.
Speaker 12 (10:20):
The bill requires parental consents, and students who don't consents
cannot be around other students who are either praying or
reading a religious text. A bonents say if signed into law,
this opens the states to lawsuits. Another bill that could
change what happens in the classroom isn't terribly new, banning
cell phones during instructional times. Several school districts in our
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area have something similar, like HISD SI fai ID and
Katie I Tat's and in a few.
Speaker 11 (10:47):
I think that the policy neglects the parents' ability to
decide what's best for their child. It cuts off communication
in a way. But I think most people are a
bit nervous, or a lot of Maybe not most, but
a lot of parents are.
Speaker 12 (11:02):
Nervous about In the last two years, at least eight
states have issued similar cell phone banned policies. In this
legislation has bipartisan support. In Austin, we are waiting to
see if the governor signs it or any of the
other bills.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Do you think the governor will sign that bill about
cell phones? I have a sneaking suspicion that might be
one he chickens out on because of the female vote.
You know, I don't mean I'm not trying to pick
on women. Don't think I'm trying to pick on women
by saying this, But it seems to me that it's
the moms who are primarily concerned about the communication with
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their child thing. And I don't know, I guess I
guess it goes maybe back to the school shootings, when
school shootings first started, because before that, I don't think
people were very nervous with the or had in their
head the idea that they wanted their child to have
a cell phone, that they wanted to have the cell
phone in class or with the child at all hours
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of the day so that if anything were to happen,
they can contact their student. And I think it's the
it's the paranoia over school safety that's leading the charge
on this. Now, most of us are old enough that
we remember a day and age before cell phones where
nobody would have thought to have a cell phone or
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have you have the ability to communicate with your parents
during the school day. I can honestly say that I
never had. My parents never called the school, let alone
tried to call me worried about this, that or the other.
I mean, the school day that was like going to
work for me. That was the school day, was my
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business day. And they just they didn't bother. They they
didn't worry about it all day long. They didn't worry
about was what was happening with me at school. But
I think moms now in particular. There's some dads too,
but moms in particular are worried about this all the time.
They're worried about their child. If their child is not
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within their sight, they want their child to have a
communication device with them so that they can contact them. Now,
that's not going to make them any safer, mind you.
So I don't think it's really about safety. It's about
knowing what's going on with your child. Now, if I
were mom, and heaven forbid, there was a school shooting
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at my child's school, and I'm calling my child, and
my child either is not answering the cell phone or
answers the cell phone and is in trouble. Is that
the kind of communication you really wanted to have, Because
if they're not answering the cell phone, you're thinking the
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worst possible things. Right. Your child may just have the
ringer turned down, they may be evacuating the school building
and can't talk to you, whatever the case is, but
you're imagining that if they're not answer the phone, they're
being killed. So I don't see what good purpose cell
phones actually serve, you aren't getting any more information. If anything,
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you're probably getting rumors in innuendos and not real, you know,
real pertinent information. And the rest of the time, the
cell phone is a complete distraction. So I hope the
governor signs it. Don't. I don't think we need cell
phones student cell phones in our schools. I don't care
how worried you are. It's more of a distraction and
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more of an opportunity for kids to cheat on things
like test that it's worth for the rare occasion that
you have a safety issue at that particular school. At
least that's my thought on that. And by the way,
speaking of school, President Trump is like a dog with
a bone on this Harvard thing, isn't he. I mean,
he's just he's just eliminating every single penny he possibly can. Yesterday,
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I think he canceled something like one hundred million dollars
worth the research contracts with Harvard University, and Harvard just
is refusing to give up. They're feeling that they should
be able to be completely in charge of everything that
they do in every policy that they have, and that
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they don't need to answer to the federal government. Well,
here's the problem. When you accept contracts and funding for
the federal government. Guess what you get the answer to
the federal government. So here's a little more of what
President Trump had to say about Harvard and some response
to this from Dana Perino, who I think would like
to maybe play the role of peacemaker in this thing.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
They refuse to tell us who the people are. We
want to know who the people. Now, a lot of
the foreign students we wouldn't have a problem with. I'm
not going to have a problem with foreign students, but
they shouldn't be thirty one percent is too much. We
want a list of those foreign students and we'll find
out whether or not they're okay.
Speaker 16 (15:56):
So one of the things that over and over again
I think is a problem is it's not clear what
is the problem we are trying to solve. Okay, So
I think if the White House could say this is
the exact problem we want to solve, then be a
little bit more. Is it anti semitism?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Even like with trade? Is it this?
Speaker 16 (16:12):
Is it that it could tande?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It could be all of those things.
Speaker 16 (16:15):
And I think what Harvard is failing to do is
one say, sir, what problem you wants to solve, like,
let's talk about it, and you don't just do it
in public, do it behind this closed doors. Everybody's got
good lawyers, go behind closed doors and say how do
we get this done? What I liked hearing from him
is that he said, I'm not against foreign students being here.
He said, we're not against the In fact, we're probably
(16:35):
fine with most of them. Okay, that's a great starting place,
all right, so let's start there. If you feel like,
if you're at Harvard and you think most of your
students are great, let's let's talk it all through. We
can go through and do it behind the scenes. It
doesn't have to be public, and nobody has to be shamed.
And maybe everybody's fine and that ends up being good.
But I do believe that this opens up another question,
(16:56):
which is the bigger problem we should try to solve,
which is which ones of our adversaries I will name China, Russia,
and I'm gonna throw Katar in there as well, because
they fund a lot of this anti Semitism stuff across America.
They are funding programs at universities to indoctrinate students because
they don't want to have to deal with having to
be persuasive and lobby our government in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So what's happened.
Speaker 16 (17:19):
That's been going on for about thirty five forty years,
So now you have the professors are indoctrinated the student,
and it continues on. I also maintain that this doesn't
start in college. This is much much younger, and that's
why there's an educational revolt in this country for more
school choice or more homeschooling, because people do not want
up this kind of thing talk to their kids.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I don't think there's a disconnect here, do you. I
think Trump's made it pretty clear what his problem is.
He's got two problems. He's got two problems. Number one,
there's anti semitism on campus, and the university doesn't seem
to care about it or doesn't want to do anything
about it. Either way, Jewish students are uncomfortable and they
(18:02):
don't feel like they're safe, and they have every right
to be there as much as anybody else has the
right to be there. So as a university, you have
to say, we do not tolerate anti semitism, we do
not tolerate discrimination of any kind. Therefore, we're not going
to have protests like this on either side of these issues.
(18:24):
That's not what we're here for. We're here to learn.
So I think that's the number one problem. And then
the number two problem is is that they're letting in
so many foreign students. There are plenty of American students
who are not getting the same opportunity. And I'm sorry.
It's an American university. They should be giving the same
opportunities to Americans that they're giving to these foreign students.
I know they make more money probably from the foreign students, certainly,
(18:48):
but there ought to be room here for compromise if
Harvard were willing to compromise, But they seem to be
so full of themselves they don't think they need to compromise.
I think Trump is here to tell them, yeah, you do,
you do, or you're not going to be doing business
with the United States government. All right, quick, little break,
We're back with more more on Burger's coming up. It's
(19:10):
National Burger Day. Back with more mom a Jimmy Bart
Show here on NAM nine fifty KTRC. All Right, today
(19:31):
is National Burger Day, and we've been celebrating all day
with us this morning on our morning show in Kat
rh We were asking you for your favorite Houston Berger,
and I gave you some parameters. By the way, I'm
going to share my parameters with our next guest, ce
if he agrees about the perfect hamburger what it takes
to make the perfect hamburger. But this guy is a
hamburger historian, is the author of Hamburger Dreams. How classic
(19:53):
crime solving techniques helped crack the case of America's greatest
culinary mystery. His name is Christopher Carrosa. Christopher, Welcome to
our show. You're a bit of a historian when it
comes to hamburgers, and there's a lot of controversy over
who invented the hamburger. What do you say? Are you there?
(20:16):
Can you hear me? Hello?
Speaker 13 (20:19):
Yeah, something clicked? They heard a click and then you disappeared.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Oh okay, Well let me repeat the question for you then,
which is there's a little there's a bit of controversy
over how the hamburger originated and where it came from.
What have you found out about the original hamburger? Where
did it come from?
Speaker 13 (20:36):
Well, you're right, there's a lot of different stories, competing stories,
but it really comes down to figuring out which of
the stories occurred before the first mention of a news
of a hamburger in the newspapers, so about half the
stories came about too late. They were in the early
nineteen hundreds. But newspapers mentioned the quote of quote hamburg
(21:01):
sandwich as early as eighteen ninety three, so any story
that has an origin after that date obviously wasn't true.
So what I had to do is I had to
look and see the facts that people used when they
told their stories to see if there was contemporary, independent
verification of those facts, which is what I did, and
(21:23):
I was able to conclude that the first hamburger was
sold on Friday, September eighteenth, eighteen eighty five, at the
Erie County Fair by two brothers from Ohio named Charles
and Frank Menchez.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Wow, I'd never heard that before. I've heard most of
the stories I've heard about the origins of the hamburger
go back to the early nineteen hundreds. They don't go
back to the eighteen hundreds. That's a lot of detective
work you had to do.
Speaker 13 (21:52):
Well. You know, it's very funny because for about half
a century, newspapers would fill in white space with this
little factoid that says the hamburger was invented at the
nineteen oh four Saint Louis World's Fair. So and there
were bigger stories about that, and it was all really
all came about because of an argument between Texas and Connecticut.
(22:16):
As far as who actually invented the hamburger. It turns
out neither of those stories were true, but they made
a lot of interesting fodder for newspapers.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
All right, Well, then, so we now know that the
orchards of the hamburger go back to the eighteen eighties.
What about the hamburger bun? When did the hamburger bun?
Because I think they used to make it just between
two pieces of bread in the beginning, right, that's right.
Speaker 13 (22:40):
In fact, there's a newspaper article from the mid eighteen
nineties that describes a Chicago street vendor selling hamburgers and
how he slices loads of breads to get like a
V shaped wedge, and they put the hamburger in the
middle of that V and that's how they that's how
they would eat a hamburger. They even had a pick
an illustration of somebody eating a hamburger that way. But
(23:03):
the Mensis Brothers they did that, they sliced the bread
and put the hamburger in the bread. There were no buns.
The buns came about a little later on in the
eighteen nineties, not too much after all that it was
first sold by the nineteen hundreds. The buns were the
fairly the you know, the typical thing that you would
(23:26):
put on a hamburger. And the reason why we know
that is because when they talk about when the newspapers
talk about the fairs and exhibitions and carnivals that occur,
not only do they mention the number of people that
attended to show you how big the event was, but
they also mentioned the number of hamburgers sold, the number.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Of buns sold at.
Speaker 13 (23:48):
Those two things went together.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
By then, how did it get the name hamburger? There's
no ham in a hamburger, right right.
Speaker 13 (23:56):
Right, that's you know. So remember the first name wasn't Hamburger.
The first name was a hamburg sandwich.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Oh.
Speaker 13 (24:04):
If you look at restaurant menus, that's what you'll see.
You'll see a hamburg sandwich. And it so happens that
the Erie County Fair in eighteen eighty five that the
Mensches Brothers was at it's outside of Buffalo, so originally
it was in the city of Buffalo, but a few
years earlier it moved out because Buffalo got too big
(24:24):
and the fair got too big, so they went out
to the neighboring town. And the town where the Erie
County Fair ended up being and it remains today, is
a town called Hamburg, New York. The Menshies brothers, and
this invention of the Hamburger was totally by accident. They
were there selling pork sausage sandwiches, not ground beef sandwiches.
(24:45):
They needed to replace the pork sausage with something else
when they ran out of it, and all that was
available was ground beef, so they didn't have a name
for it when they were selling it, but it sold
out and it was very popular, and one of the
customers came up and said, Hey, this is really good.
What do you call it? And Frank said, well, he
looked around and he saw Hamburg Fair. That's what they
(25:08):
were a big banner that said Hamburg Fair. So he said, oh,
it's a Hamburg sandwich. And a lot of people think
that's just too cute of a story to be true.
But when I did my research, I actually read a
newspaper article from September of eighteen eighty five about that
particular Hamburg or Erie County Fair. And there's a similar
(25:29):
story involving cheese where somebody comes up to a cheese
vendor and says, what do you call this? And the
vendor says, it's called hamburg cheese. So it was a
naming convention that was popular during their era.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well, as long as you brought it up, then how
long did it take before they figured out to put
a cheese on a hamburger? And what about condiments like
ketchup and mustard, those kinds of things.
Speaker 13 (25:50):
The condiments and the onions too. That was pretty fast.
That happened almost as soon as they started making the hamburgers.
Cheese wasn't too much longer after that. Remember that Chicago
story that I was talking to you about before. In
that story they talked about putting cheese on hamburgers. They
didn't call it a cheeseburger. The name cheeseburger didn't come
about until the nineteen twenties. And there's some debate as
(26:14):
to whether or not it originated from California or Kentucky.
It looks like pretty much it was California, where the
phrase first originated. But they've been putting cheese on hamburgers
long before the name cheeseburger came about.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
We're talking to the hamburger historian Christopher Carosa, the author
of Hamburger Dreams, how classic crime solving techniques helped crack
the case of America's greatest culinary mystery. If you want
to read more about that. With his book, obviously he
studied all there is to know about hamburger's. I have
to know what is your favorite hamburger. We're asking our
listeners this morning, but where they get their favorite Houston
(26:49):
hamburger and what it is about it that makes it
so special. I have my own rules as far as
what I consider to be the perfect hamburger. What are
your rules?
Speaker 13 (27:00):
Well, first of all, my favorite hamburger is the one
that I cook at my own backyard, so it's served
with When I put the hamburger together, I put spices
in it, garlic, onions, mint, you know, things like that,
and I've put it all that I don't put. I
don't put the breadcrumbs in it because then it becomes
(27:22):
a meatball. But it's very similar spices to a meatball
and you just took it like a regular hamburger. I
don't put cheese on it either.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Okay, all right, But if you had to buy one,
if you had to get a go to a restaurant
to get a hamburger. What what's your favorite hamburger joint?
You gotta have one?
Speaker 13 (27:39):
Uh, there's I like all of them. Really, it's the
only it's the one with the shortest.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Line that I my Here's here's my rules. Who you
think of my rules as far as hamburgers. First of all,
I I tried to not get fast food hamburgers. I
you know a lot of them are just in my
mind or overcooked and don't have enough flavor. But you know,
most of the best hamburgers I found it, you know,
look like dives and diners and hole in the wall places.
(28:07):
I also, the first question we always ask, my wife
and I we always ask when we go into a joint,
is can I get my burger rare? And if the
answer is yes, then I'm going to eat it. Not
because I want to have the burger rare. I want
to know that they trust their meat enough and their
meat is fresh enough that I don't have to worry
about that, that it's going to be a great quality burger.
Speaker 13 (28:29):
Yeah, that's that's a very good test. I never thought
of that.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You didn't. I thought I.
Speaker 13 (28:35):
Thought for my meat to be done.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Medium, rare or rare. Yeah, but you don't do that
with burgers. Huh No, I do.
Speaker 13 (28:44):
I do. I do ask for the burgers to be
done that way too, but I didn't think of asking
it in the same way that you asked it.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean that. I mean that's my philosophy about it.
My wife will eat them just I mean completely raw
if she could, so she won't eat she won't let
us go to a Burger Joy where she can't get
a rare burger. I get my medium where I prefer
a medium rare versus rare. But but you know there
are places like that where you know you can get
a cooked that way and those are usually the best
burger places. Yep.
Speaker 13 (29:12):
You know. The other thing is when I cook the
meat outside on my own grill, I have to buy
the meat where there's enough fat in it so it
sort of greases up. That helps me determine when it's
cooked well.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
And I think you know, fattest flavor right when when
you get right done to it. That's right. You gotta
have fat in there, You're not gonna have very much
flavor if it's a really super lean burger. What do
you think has made the hamburger such a popular item?
But I think it's still the favorite thing that most
Americans eed. If they had to pick one thing, or
if they had to pick a top five list of
(29:45):
things that they like to go out to get to eat,
and they consistently will get it to eat, I would
think a hamburger is always in the top five.
Speaker 13 (29:54):
You know. One of the most interesting things in talking
to people about the history at Hamburger is talking to
hot dog historians, and we're trying to figure out why
hamburgers are the go to fast food sandwich and not
hot dog because hot dogs were around first. Hot dogs
(30:15):
were very popular at baseball parks things like that before
the hamburger was even invented. And yet almost every fast
food place is based on hamburgers, even Shake Shack. Shake
Shack started as a hot dog place in New York City,
but now it's known for its hamburgers. So go figure
(30:36):
for some reason people are just attracted to hamburgers. Maybe
it's maybe they're wholesome in a little way. Maybe they
kind of speak of America in the fact that you
know they're they're made from cows, and you think of cowboys.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Who knows, but there's no.
Speaker 13 (30:51):
Denying that they're the most popular sandwich out there.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, I think it might also have something to do
with their they're more substantive. You know, you can, you can,
you could be all completely satisfied after one Hamburger, but
they don't have a hamburg grating contest. Joey Chestnut and
can eat probably fifty or sixty or one hundred hot dogs,
But you can't do that with a Hamburger.
Speaker 13 (31:11):
Kenny, Oh no, you can't swallow Amberger's hole like you
can do virtually with hot dog.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, that's for sure. This It has been a fun
talking to you. I appreciate your time today, Christopher, Thank you,
all right.
Speaker 13 (31:23):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Hamburger historian and the author of Hamburger Dreams. How classic
crime solving techniques help crack the case of America's greatest
culinary mystery. Christopher Corrosive back with born a moment Jimmy
Beer Show. Here an a nine to fifty KPRC. All right,
(31:54):
I'm full after that. Yeah, I'm talking about Hamberger's all day.
I feel like I've eaten ten Hamburgers. Let's move on
to something else there. How do you feel Do you
feel healthy? Saw this story? I never got to this
one this morning. I should get to it now. The
average American only feels fully healthy nineteen days out of
(32:19):
the month. The most common problems include fatigue and mood changes.
Mood changes is that more? Is that the women that
might be the women? That might be the women more
than the men. As far as the mood changes, fatigue,
(32:39):
You're tired? Do you not get enough sleep? So? And
by the way, does being tired make you feel less healthy?
Isn't you know being tired kind of a normal part
of life. If you ask somebody here, here's the whole story.
If you ask somebody how are you, chances are they're
going to say something like good, fine, or not bad.
Then they'll flip it back to you and you'll say
(33:01):
something similar, but you both are probably lying. According to
this new report, the average American only feels fully healthy
nineteen days in a typical month. That's roughly sixty three
percent of the time, So thirty seven percent of the
time you feel unhealthy. So in a typical week, you'll
feel fully healthy for about four out of seven days,
(33:21):
less healthy for three days. And this is just about
feeling healthy, not that everything is perfect. Of what they said,
the main problems were the According to this poll, people
said being tired, fatigue, That was true of about thirteen
days per month, mood changes ten days per month, wow,
(33:44):
digestive issues nine point eight days per month, headaches seven
and a half days per month. Those were the common
things that people complained about. I've never considered it. It's
kind of like asking people to define what sick means.
You know, what does sick mean to you? To me,
you're only sick if you can't go to work, you're sick.
(34:08):
To me, having a cold is not being sick. It's
an inconvenience. You know your nose is stuffy, you're still working,
You're still fine, You're a little tired. You know you
got a nose full. But to me, that's not sick. Sick.
Sick goes to the next level. I don't use the
word sick unless I can't go to work. If I
(34:30):
if I have a fever, i'm sick. If I have
the flu, i'm sick. If if generally, if I can't
go to work, i'm sick. If I can work, then
I'm not sick. That's I realized. That's not a medical definition,
that's my own definition.
Speaker 15 (34:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
The other day we were talking about let me let
me run this past you here before we call today.
The other day we were talking about the president of
France and his wife slapping him or I guess shoving
him in the face. To me, there's not much of
a difference between slapping a shove of the face. Either
one is obtrusive, abusive and shouldn't be done in polite company.
(35:07):
And so that the fact that this happened on board
the French presidential plane and that he was in the
doorway where everybody could see him, and she did it.
You couldn't see her, you could just see her arm,
but you know it was her brought up a lot
of commentary from people about you know, controlling your temper,
(35:28):
about you know what, what do you think that he
said to her, that she would react that way, et cetera,
et cetera. So it became a big topic, and I'm
sure an embarrassing topic for President Macrone. Greg Guttfeld had
a little fun with it. On his show last night
with his panel.
Speaker 17 (35:47):
French gets slugged by his wench. A video of the
day comes from US from French President Emanuel mccrone's wife
of Brigette, caught on cameras shoving him in the face
before getting off a plane in Vietnam. He's tried his
best to play it off when he realized they'd been spotted.
(36:08):
Macrone later tried to downplay it, saying, quote, we are
scribbling and rather drugging these wife, I know. Is that amazing?
Let's watch it again in slow motion?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh my god? Yeah, here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 17 (36:22):
Hey yeah, just a playful merrill love touch. But here's
how you know it's real. As they're getting off the plane,
Macron offers his arm to help her walk down the stairs.
She doesn't take it. She walks right by him. That's
all you need to know. So what were they really
fighting about?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Couples fight all fight over.
Speaker 17 (36:44):
All sorts of things, right, But remember they did meet
when he was just fifteen and she was thirty nine,
a teacher at his school. That's a difference of twenty
four years between a kid and a middle aged lady.
Goes to show the difference between their first lady and
America's previous one and France, it's the elder who dishes
(37:06):
out the abuse.
Speaker 15 (37:07):
I happened to think that she was upset because of
that press conference.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
He gave those jokes. He was making play that tape. Guys.
Speaker 18 (37:18):
My wife, he's so old. She was a waitress at
Za's supper. My wife, she is so old. She drove
a chaves to high school. My wife is so old
she remembers when the Beatas were called a new kid's
own the brock. My wife is so old she remembers
(37:43):
when the Mayans published the first Canada.
Speaker 13 (37:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Wow, yeah, she sends it him. Yeah, I would be
too twenty four Did you know that I didn't realize
twenty four year difference between the French president and his wife.
They met at his school. She was a teacher in
thirty nine and he was fifteen years old. That's got
(38:14):
some serious creep factor, does it not. Wow? Okay, well,
safe to say when you have a spouse that's twenty
four years older than you are, chances are pretty good
that she's the boss in this particular case. So it
could have been something as simple as him actually, you know,
trying to exercise. I am the president of France. You
(38:35):
can't tell me what to do, and of course she's
more than happy to tell him what to do. Who knows. Hey, listen,
y'all have a great day. Thanks for listening. I'll see
you tomorrow morning. Burton Earley starting at five am over
on news radio seven forty KTRH. We were back here
at four an am nine fifty KPRC, but
Speaker 16 (39:00):
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