Astros Lose Series To Cardinals, NBA Play-In Games Continue, Astros GM Dana Brown Joins For Weekly Segment!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Salsbury did okay, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Sewn Salisbury.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Salsbury to usc troupes longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dan Matthew, excuse, this is the Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
One. That's a ground ball, softly hit up the middle.
This will score a run fielded by the second basement.
Donovan by the bag and he throws out Parades who
gets an RBI? Is how two by scores Paena goes
to third one nothing, Astros.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Called get him over, get him in. That's winning baseball
right there.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Ethick Paradis the two to one and that's lifted to center,
sends back Myers still going back, looking up and it's gone.
Lars Nukebar a three run hold run a straightaway center
field and it's three to one. Saint Louis Nutbar goes
deep for the third time this year. One two hit

(00:59):
the other way, just fair down the right field line
around third walker.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
He will score.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Pozo headed for third in the second with an RBI
double goes Thomas at jac his second head of the game,
and it's four to one. Cardinals runner goes again the
O two and that's back in the right field. But
that is right at Scott and reaches up, makes the catch,
and that is the ball game. Saint Louis Cardinals take
two out of three from the Astros as Houston still

(01:26):
looking to win back to back games. Cardinals victorious four
to one.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Not good, not fun, not the way the Astros drew
it up, ending the series in Saint Louis. And with
that we say away we go as not only with
the Astros were a week away today from Round one,
the NFL draft Texan Slay to pick number twenty five
in the Rockets back on the practice for yesterday. They're

(01:53):
getting ready for Game one Western Conference Playoffs on Sunday
over at Toyota Center against the Golden State Warriors. With
all that away, we go here. Good morning, Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
Oh nuke bar instead of Newt Bar, because he hit
a nuke.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
I was gonna say yesterday, I think that probably would
have applied. And I mean I think it was. I
think it was Dez Apollo, Dez Josh Lodesma, those of
you who know or don't know who I'm talking about,
But I think he threw out there that Lars Newt Bar.
This series was almost like early two thousands. Barry bonds
against the Astros, like it was like anything remotely close

(02:32):
to the zone that guy was putting it for extra
bases or in the case of yesterday, for extra extra
extra bases, because well he cleared him and he came
home too.

Speaker 7 (02:42):
I think Lars newt Bar is huge in the community.
Gotta have a right, I mean he is, he is
on whatever it is, He's on the all name team,
and right now the Ashles think he's Babe Ruth.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
So yeah, he was more. He was more Baby Ruth
than he was Lars Ulrich.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
Yeah, not to be confused with Lars Newtbar, you know,
is Lars not to be confused with U. Hopefully we'll
take a trip to Lars. No, no, no, Crowbar. Yeah,
way too a little too much crowbar. Right, you're you're
Fonzie with a leather jacket right now on the skis. Yeah,

(03:19):
well over them.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (03:23):
Uh, I'm telling you what decent pitching is dominating the
Astros right now. That's a slight understatement, yeah, but it's true.
I mean they are getting it's the feast and it
hadn't been a lot of feasts issue, and there's a
lot of famine because I mean they are toiling with
you know, one ninety seven to ten, two twenty. I

(03:46):
mean we look at you know, who their best hitters
are right now. I mean Paradis has got a little bit.
He's in like two forty five, but he's had some,
you know, some big hits in the long ball. It's
Jake Myers and josel Seeing.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
It's so funny too that you mentioned the first name,
because I was thinking about that this morning, for all
the belly aching about him.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
I mean it's kind of like a well, where would
you be without him? Right now?

Speaker 7 (04:10):
It's Jake Myers and jose Altove alto V and Myers
have been are your offensive uh stalwarts right now? Now
take take that and then out listen.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
I'll two V.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
I get maybe Jake Myers is different. I'm gonna make
a lot of money off Lolima if Myers hits like
over two forty five or two fifty whatever it was.
But interesting he had him at like two ten or two.
I mean we had the conversation we were joking about
a bet. I said it was set the over under.
If he hits over you owe me this and he
hits on you. And Jake's what around two ninety or

(04:43):
something right now, Yeah, my two eighties, mid two eighties.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 7 (04:47):
But the point is, is it pitching? Well, we always
know pitching good pitching will ForwArt good hitting. But the
asses are swinging the bat like this is more months
down the road and good pitchings locked in, not early season,
even though pitching is usually ahead of hitting. That's pretty

(05:07):
obvious here. And they are. There is a lot of
famine going on with them, not a lot of feasts
when it comes to offensive production on a daily consistent basis.

Speaker 6 (05:16):
Jake Myers average wise is two seventy one with a
six forty six. Ops.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
It's early, so two days ago it was like two ninety, right,
But point is is it he's been If you didn't
know anybody the lineup, you'd say, why is he hitting
down at the bottom? And why is so and so
hitting at the top?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Right?

Speaker 7 (05:35):
So it is they. I know it's early. We're gonna
hear that a lot. I can't wait till we don't
say it's early anymore. Uh, And you know, in what
thirty games or twenty I was gonna say, we're probably
a couple of weeks away from at least forty games
in you're I mean sixty games, and you get an
idea who a team is forty games in, I can
start to say, well, you got to start to lock

(05:57):
in forty games, that that's enough for you to get
to your season woes.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Correct, you flip to June the Memorial Day. Memorial Day
is Christmas Day in the NBA.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
Yeah, it's got to be cut off date that if
you're still laboring, then then you're off to a slow start,
and there's got it. Then I gotta be a little concerned.
If Christian Walker stayed like this till May till Labor
I mean Memorial weekend, I would if he stays like
this till Labor Day, we're a real trouble. But if
he stays like this Memorial Day, you got to start
to just ask what the hell's going on with the

(06:30):
guy who's been a pretty damn good hitter in the league.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
So maybe this is just my sick brain, but when
I'm watching Astros games, I will, you know, interact with
Astros Twitter and one of my favorite exercises again sick brain,
is Christian Walker is a marked man already right now
with his start that he's had this season. So immediately,
if it's a pop up the second, or it's a
strikeout because he swung wildly at a slider outside, whatever

(06:55):
it is that he does not get a hit, I
immediately search on Twitter Christian Walker shown. The responses are
not nice, they're not good, and I mean you're even
getting people like, what was it? One guy I think
I saw the other day did the less than equal
to greater than sign? You know, the shark's mouth, the
alligator's mouth, whatever you want to call it, And the

(07:17):
mouth was open towards jose A Brayu, And I'm just like, oh, man,
come on, like it's not that bad.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
But I mean a part of a part of it
is though.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
I mean, like you suck a ton of money into him,
and I know it's frustrated, but come on, man, one's
a two year frustration, the others not even twenty games.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Sure, I get it.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
Well, did we say that we did people write this
about Bregman regularly or they just assumed because he got
they gave him, because he'd been here longer, they gave
him the opportunity to actually get hot. Six weeks after
the season started.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
The angst was kind of cuelled down obviously because of
you know, twenty seventeen and even twenty twenty two. I mean,
winning a World Series and being a major reason for that,
I think probably buys you a little bit of a
benefit of the doubt. Plus, you know, he was an
h town through and through guy drafted all of those things.
I mean, I think in some fans' minds, it's kind
of the same deal that you see with a lot
of teams.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
So the outsider gets gets blistered more than the guy
who's been.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, just because you don't have the track record here,
we don't know. I mean, we can go look at
your numbers in Arizona, but we don't know you.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Right, And I get it.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
But and the answers in that in your answer is
when we're talking about Christian Walker, well we don't know him,
and it's the other guy who we're cutting some slack
or anybody who's been here because you know, we feel like.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Homegrown and all that.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
And I do get it, sure, But now now take
a look at how we're approaching it or what eighteen
seventeen or eighteen games, and so sixteen seventeen games in
what are we out again that was a game number
eighteen seventeen in the last night, right, So they're eighteen
games in and I get the frustration. But first off,
let's let's let's slow our roll until you can start

(08:58):
comparing the bray you when August hits and like, what
the hell's going on here?

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (09:03):
But also just in that, all the more reason for
me if you don't know about him right and looked
at his past, shouldn't and we and benefit of the
doubt I get it when somebody's been here. While benefit
of the doubt meaning, is it okay to criticize him
for a slow start?

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Oh? Hell yes, there's no question about that. Not above that.
I don't care who he is.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
It's but when we're criticizing, there's almost got to be
a little bit of a butt by it.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Right.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
But we know that he's been a pretty good pro.
We don't know enough about him. If this was his
second year starting like this and he had a bad
year last year, then then that comment by that dude
is validated.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
This is just it's hyperbolic.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
I understand the frustration also because it's a position that
since Yulieski left, we have not been able to dominate
right and get a three hundred type.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Hitter and formal name.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Him.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Yeah, I just you know, that's just that's who he
isn't at his name? Ye Okay, So Yulieski was here
and people have not been pleased or satisfied since he
left when he was and I get it defensively and
offensively quite frankly. So for me, I've given him a

(10:16):
benefit out because of his past and knowing him a
matter of fact of being I don't know if a
fans the right way, but appreciating his professionalism and how
good he's been elsewhere. He's been a pretty solid player,
so I mostly but above Chris is no is at
bats are not very good, there is no question about it.
But I think we're way hyperbolic and way too soon

(10:39):
eighteen games into saying we got to bray you all
over again. Come see me at the midway point. If
he's still doing this, then we can sit here and say, oh,
are we doing this again?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Are we really gonna? Is this?

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Where we are? Is this guy? But the age, everything
about Howld's Christian Walker right now?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Thirty three.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
I believe in the league a while, so he's about
three years younger than when a bray you.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Got here or something right right around that.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
Yeah, but I do get the how it can be
eerily similar. Guy from another place in his thirties, has
had success elsewhere, a brain who had success elsewhere, a
veteran bringing into the position that hasn't had production the
way you want it, and then all of a sudden,
eighteen games in, he looks like the guy who came
from Chicago. I get it, but I am willing to say,

(11:22):
now listen. As much as I like him, I also
I'm not on his payroll. He not on my payroll,
and I don't know him. If forty games in this continues,
then you do have to think about, well, do Zenzo
need more work over there or then you'll have to
at least consider it. But this team's fiercely loyal to guys.
They got out, went out and got as you well know.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Is that the hey, Singleton, you're still available? Can you
come back?

Speaker 7 (11:46):
And he probably he may very well be right, who knows,
but you get that point. But remember this team, when
they go out and get somebody, you're going to have
to really urinate down your leg for them not to
give you that chance.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
And we saw it with the bray you.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
I don't think, regardless of what we do, that Christian
Walker is in any danger of losing his job.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
At least this year. Yeah, that's not a place you
want to be. No, the scenario you just threw out there.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
Agree.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Yeah, I kind of shudder to think about that sensation.
That's something that none of us want. All right, So,
not only is the Astros conversation gonna be front of
mine today, Nicko Siio speaking yesterday over at NRG Stadium.
We'll let you hear from him as the show goes along,
and Vegas is doing the rockets a massive, massive favor.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
We'll also squeeze that in.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Don't forget yesterday we did not have astros GM Dana Brown,
it's today nine point thirty. He is going to join
us here on the Sean Salisbury Show. But coming up
next Joe a spot a guy here, massive Joe aspotic guy.
But something yesterday just did not sit well with me.
We'll talk about it here. Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk
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Speaker 2 (14:44):
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Speaker 6 (14:49):
Saw Sean that Emmanuel Sharp is going to do kind
of the Milos Uzen thing of test the NBA waters,
you know, figure it out, see if it works, and
if it doesn't, then he knows that he's still got
a home at you of h but I mean, you know,
just real quick on this before we get back into
the astros.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
I mean, it's.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
Kind of a little bit of an outlier in today's
college game. And you know, you talked about it the
other day with the u zan of Hey, you know
that's fine. You know this this is this is a
way to better yourself. But also you know, you've made
it pretty clear that if it doesn't work out the way,
you know, going to the NBA, well then you know

(15:27):
you still got a home at a place. And it's
not a oh I'm entering the transfer portal because then
I want to go somewhere else. It's that you of
h is still the place for them, right Like did
you see Baylor yesterday?

Speaker 5 (15:37):
I saw the news.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Not a single player from last year's Scott Drew team
is still on campus, not a not a one.

Speaker 7 (15:46):
You know, we have over ten thousand Division one, Division two,
Division three players in the transfer portal in football right now.
Seventy five percent of them will be lucky to find
another gig. And that's good for college football. Let them
here's the field. Let these kids get their bag. You
know how many of them are actually getting a bag?

(16:06):
If you consider getting a bag. Now, twenty five thousand
dollars a lot of money, sure to to anybody now
who doesn't want twenty five grand. But are you transferring
your whole life away and one three times for what?

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Probably?

Speaker 7 (16:20):
I'll bet you the average is the average of the
top one hundred and fifty players in college football. I'll
bet you they're not averaging fifty grand one hundred grand
a year in.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Nil top fifty.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
You said, top hundred and fifty, top top one hundred
and fifty, okayout.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
Fifty over fifty, Oh, sure, that's over one hundred. I'll
bet you most of them. Like I said, you think
of the ten thousand that are that are moving on,
you think there's more than fifty or one hundred grand
waiting for them in the transferport. I can guarantee that
twenty percent or less over one hundred grand.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
Because it's also, I mean college football. There's only a
handful of programs that you look at and say, ah, sure,
what the hell one hundred fifty thousand dollars, Sure, go ahead,
go crazy.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
One hundred and fifty thousand dollars in North Dakota State
or or.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Some other school.

Speaker 7 (17:08):
Is it's not you know, sc or LSU people who
can pay it, right, yeah that Texas, Texas, A and
M right. Yeah, now they could probably all pay it,
but some it's gonna hurt their bottom line a lot
more than others. So with that, the rich continue to
get richer. Of course, the nil winners, because you don't
have to recruit anymore. Your recruiting is not how good

(17:28):
a recruitter you are, John Calipari or Nick Saban or
Kirby Smart, it is how much money do you have
to offer once I get to your living room. All
I got to do now is get you to the
living room, meaning the visit, and a person where I
come to your home or my assistant or whoever's recruit
in that area, comes to your home and says, well,
we're willing to give you this, because then three questions
are going to ask how much money. It's inevitable they're

(17:49):
going to ask the money question within three. So it's
no longer I'm recruiting. Here's what we can offer. Come
on to see and show them around campus, make the
recruiting trip. It's just simply okay, that's fine, and any
how about you give all the other ones given me
one hundred thousand more dollars. Guess what, I'm going to
the other one. And so to me, most of these
kids are going to be left out. Wish they didn't

(18:10):
leave eventually they don't have I mean, some are gonna
go get bigger money that aren't going to be any good.
Look look at here's Nico. Guy can't find a job.
Guy can't now and somebody else is will jumping for
over a million. Now he's gonna end up somewhere like
Uclair Home. And he's a good player and red shirt freshman.
He's got a great future and I'm sure he'll do
wonderful things. My point is, and the irony of him

(18:32):
leaving Florida, and I mean him committing Remember the money
originally at Florida. That's why it's such a big deal
because it started like that with like was like eleven
million of Florida rescinded it. He leaves and goes to Tennessee,
and now hypel has to set up because I'm sure
they had comments about all that money at Florida, and
now he's leaving Tennessee and they're not paying him. You're

(18:53):
going to get more schools, They're going to do that.
But I am just flabbergasted at how many people for him.
It's going to work out fine, at least moneywhill he'll
still get paid. He got paid a couple million bucks
when he came and sat the bench as a Red,
as a true freshman.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
Well, if you believe Colin Cowherd, it's not about the
money at UCLA. It's about the offense that he was
in at Tennessee, right with one of the best quarterback coaches.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
But please go on.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
Yeah, and the offense at Tennessee was lights out because
of the way hypel plane. You get ninety snaps a
game in Fast and Furious, Right, So I just to me,
ten thousand plus players in the transfer portal, there's not
room for all of them. There's just not going to
be room for all of them. So and then some
kid that you may want to get in, then somebody
else going to lose a scholarship because he was committed
there and he's not because some kid in the transfer

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portals there's not as much money as they think they're
given out. The nine thousandth kids not going to get
a dime and maybe at home looking for a place
and have to go to a preferred walk on somewhere
because he for went a scholarship when he's getting a
free education and somebody paid him ten grand to leave
no offense. For some that's a lot of money. That
ten grand will get spent before you can blink your eye.

(19:58):
So I just the whole whole thing, the whole thing week.
So with these guys, you're going to transfer and then
you want to come back to me, I'm not having
you back. There's a part of me that if you
turned me down, we have recruiting, you came down to
two and you took somebody else. Yeah, and then now
you want to transfer to me. I almost feel that
there's part yet to put your pride and ego aside,

(20:19):
because part of me is a coach, would say, now
you turn me down the first time, why the hell
would I want you the second time? There's that part
of me, But you got to if it's going to
help your program, you think, well, let me jump all
over this as long as I can afford it. Or
he wants to come here without getting paid. But I
just to me, you're going to the NBA, are going
to the end, you're going to test it, but you
can come back. Yeah, you're welcome. I don't blame it.
Go get paid. But everybody that thinks, go get your bag.

(20:41):
You hear that all the time, somebody that that's their
only We'll let these kids go get their bag. Yeah,
you mean that the forty of them that are going
to get the bag and the other nine four hundred
and seventy five are not going to get squat and go.
And the game of college football has fallen so far,
not the talent, the way we play the game and
the rules of it. The transfer portal, the way we
do it intended to go the right way and get

(21:02):
people opportunity, but also get them paid the right way,
not hand to hand cash. The transfer portal is absolutely
an nil money because of the portal, and both of
them together coming at the same time has overwhelmed college
football at the point it's not the same.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
And I don't care what anybody says.

Speaker 7 (21:17):
And it's not good to have hand to hand cash
and this open where you can just do anything you want.
That's not the way sports or life or jobs or
crew were set up.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
It's not.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
And the people who keep saying, well, these kids get
to do it deserve what the coaches do that's exactly right.
So they've been a bit of money on them, put
on them in a buyout because they really don't get
to do it. If you want to leave, fine, transfer,
but there's got to be ramification, just like a coach.
And also if you leave under contract, get out for
cause guess what, you can't work in that business right,

(21:48):
or you want to buy out cost you fifteen million bucks,
then you can go to another school.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Other than that, you're stuck. Man.

Speaker 7 (21:54):
Sorry, So it's just we say it every day, but
I'm just telling you what I don't want to hear.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Those kids go get their bag.

Speaker 7 (22:01):
I understand if it fits, but the bag ain't what
it's all about for all him because I have the
ten thousand, nine thousand of the mark going to get
a big bag. They may get a bag enough to
buy some pizza and a few things or put a
down payment on the car, which is great, but is
it worth it to do it three or four times
when eventually, if you're a coach, you're just saying this
guy doesn't know how to compete.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
I don't need him at my program.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
Cam Newton actually talked about it, and maybe we can
find that audio for later. In the show on his podcast,
but his line was cite your sources.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Like you know.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
He was like, like you write a paper in college,
you got to cite your sources.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Wikipedia is not one of them.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
But his point was a lot of these kids are
getting bad advice from people who don't really understand what
their situation is.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
Yeah, and I'm sorry, I can't use the excuse. And
a nineteen year old or a twenty year old's a kid.
I'm just sorry, I can't. I know that when this
money's right, you can't. And they when he was a freshman,
just using Nico as an example. When he's a freshman,
guy's two point five million. He was adult enough to
take that.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Mm hmm. Okay.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
So yes, they're young, but they're young and being a
kid or two different things. And who's ever given him advice? Listen,
don't fall far from the tree. Like I said, when
you see a kid at shortstop with a bad attitude
who's ten, take a look in the stands at the parent.
Either they've allowed it or they've encouraged it. And that's both,
I guess, is what I'm saying. So you don't have

(23:15):
to look far. Okay, So I got news for you.
This isn't just on Nico. Whoever's advising him, his dad
or somebody else horrible advice. The other side of it is,
I understand you want to see what you can get,
You want to see what you're worth. Is even though
after one starting season and you got them playoff bound,
but his statistic, I mean, good player, but one more

(23:36):
year that go back and ask I guess if you'd
like to, I mean, I get it, But I think
when you the greed's become a problem because there is
no loyalty doesn't exist in sports anyway. But when you
force yourself out to go to a what and it
may turn out to be great for Nico. As we
sit today, he's without a program, but it may turn
out he may be an All American if he goes

(23:56):
to UCLA or somewhere else, and good for him. I
root for him now. I would have done exactly what
Tennessee did. And if you test it and it doesn't,
that's one thing. If you're gonna test them, you better
be sure the other people feel the same way about
you as you feel about the money you're asking for.
Tennessee did not. They thought he would have been overpaid.
Let him walk so the program will continue. You're gonna
have to find somebody because he's a good player. But

(24:17):
there's always another one. There will always be another one somehow,
some way. So I but yes, the parents, But I
refuse to just blame the parents or the advisors, because
these kids are.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Old enough to know.

Speaker 7 (24:28):
They're old enough to know how to go buy it
and how to add what one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars automobile sounds like and hand them the cash. Then
they're old enough to know better of my situation. Plus
they should know better they're in the building, how you're
being treated, and if you like it, and the people
and your friends and the big picture. The problem is
it's the short order and the small. They're seeing small,

(24:50):
they're not seeing big. These kids are not seeing the
big pig. They're seeing the immediate gratification. They're not seeing
twenty five years from now. I'm gonna say that most
guys that transfer the twenty five years from now will
wish they didn't, just because they're friends that they met
are now. So I'm going to say it was the
best thing in the world for me to transfer. And
then the senior transfer who was graduated is on a
master's plan. Now I get that part. Sophomore a guy

(25:12):
you transferred three, four, five times. If there's not a
real legitimate excuse, I just think you're a guy. You
think you're a guy who probably just doesn't get it.
And they're not above criticism. I don't care if they're
eighteen or twenty five. They get paid now, so they're pros.
They can be criticized and complimented.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Both.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Saw a Tennessee fan throughout on Twitter a picture of
the Rose Bowl set up for a UCLA game that said, well,
the good news for Nico is if he overthrows his
receiver by fifteen yards, only about ten people are going
to see it.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
And it was about an eighty percent empty stadium.

Speaker 7 (25:45):
He's going to find out now there's a few mane
people may show up if he goes there.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Did he commit there overnight? He hasn't yet, right, He's
still that's the tri as if yesterday he hadn't committed anyway,
That's what. Yeah, but Ucla, the tall Ucla is one of.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
The favorites LA families around the rest. He's exactly right.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
You could be playing slippery Rock against on Tennessee on
a Saturday in ninety thousand people. Whatever, gon be there,
whatever the capacity is, in a sea of orange, you're
going to realize an SEC football. They're well big ten.
You know football's the same way. But he's home games
at UCLA. If they're average that Rose Bull, it ain't
gonna look like it does on Rose Bull Day. There's

(26:24):
a different passion from the California sitting in the stands,
and it is from Knoxville, where every single throw, every
single fans hanging on. The California fans, well, I know
they love it. They'll arrive a little late, maybe leave
a little early, have some fun. There's a beach there.
I'm gonna go to beach today. We're not very good.
We're three and seven. You'll be playing to an empty
Rose Bull. He'll still be beautiful looking, but you played

(26:46):
an empty Rosebell.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
So yeah. The traffic do I want to do that?
Do I want to park on that golf course there? Yeah?
One way, in one way.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
It's tough to get in and out in Pasadena. So
I hope it works, see it. I root for him
to do well elsewhere, but I'd ran his ass out too,
like that he would I would not have given him
the extra two million bucks.

Speaker 6 (27:02):
Yeah, that's what Tennessee decided to do. All right, let's
get back into the Astros conversation. A in my mind,
a head scratching decision made by Joe Espotta yesterday.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
We'll talk about it here. Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Lived out there, but the Sean Salisbury Show continued.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
The lineup did not have number forty four Jordon Alvarez
in it. And I bring this up because the night before,
what did Jordon do? Only for the second time this season?
There you go forty there go on something like that. Yeah,
there you go. It was he didn't get cheated, that
is for sure. But you see the lineup yesterday, and

(27:42):
then you find out a scheduled day off for Jordon Alvarez,
and you know, I know that we talk about it
normally when we're speaking at negative about the way that
things have gone for the Astros. It's early, but that's
also too where I think it can be used. Right here, Sean,
we were seventeen games in at the point scheduled day off.
He needs a scheduled day off at this point.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Now you're.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
This, you like Joe I like Joe, but we're let
I to love him, and after meeting him, I love
him even more. You're gonna get into my craw brother.
I'm gonna tell you right now, and you're gonna get
the news. Well, these guys deserve rest. That's insane. You
can't think like you do. Well, Listen. I still think
that five innings is pussified as a pro, as a

(28:27):
as a Major League Baseball picture, that that's the hero worship.
I think it's embarrassing, but that's where we're at. Whether
it's high school kid. I think it's embarrassing when I
see forty kids in a batting cage standing behind and
a guy's kroll hopping seventy four feet and throwing as
hard as he can as a pitcher, just so we
can see what his velocity is. But he couldn't hit
the back of the screen three times in a row.

(28:49):
That makes sense, and he sure as hell can't hit
the glove. Okay, I understand velocity how it means. Give
me a picture, not a thrower, and I'll beat you
more than you beat me. And that's how we train him.
And if you're going to do that as a high
school sophomore junior, ramping up the velo and throwing it
that hard. Well, hell, I understand why you can only
give me four or five innings. Good gracious. I mean,

(29:12):
it's not about pacing yourself. It's about uh, you know,
the old of when to use all your energy the
right way and preserve it when necessary. So and you
can get now with this, let me tell you something,
man as a starting baseball if I'm a manager and this,
well that's old school thinking, Sean. Yeah, well guess what

(29:33):
old school thinking got Sparky Anderson the thirty five and
five and winning a World Series. Okay, so there's certain
things that you've got to be able to transform and
be able to just with things in football, offenses and
defenses adjust, players adjust, adapt, and just I'm all for.
Its nothing for me. When I'm thinking about coaching or
life leadership or mentors or mentoring, I'm not thinking well,

(29:55):
fifty year old or twenty five year old. I'm thinking
of how do you make sure that when you're speaking
to either that it makes sense to both the right
way because rules may I mean rules may change and
the way we go about it, and rules in sports
and the athlete, the size of the athlete, all the
equipment they have at their dispose, All those things may change.

(30:16):
But there are certain rules that I don't understand why
I had to change, or certain approaches. And it's not
old school or new school, it's just common sense. If
we're blown out arms and we're looking for pitchers not
throwers and everything, at some point in time, velocity is
going to less, We're gonna get it's going to come
full circling and say we got to teach them how
to pitch again and throw be you're never there's very

(30:37):
few like maatics, but to be able to throw like
Randy Johnson when necessary, but also what eleven to one
strike out to walk ratio, still throw strikes and throwing
one hundred, but preserving it the right way. And I'm
not saying people don't know how to teach it. But
we've gotten to this base stuff where you see some
of these hitting instructors. Everything's uppercut, hitted out, you know

(30:58):
what I'm talking about. Everybody's got to gimmick to hit it.
And now we're going back to Mickey Mannlan showing highlights
and then we're showing Aaron Judge highlights and how Barry
Bonds hit and how Trout hits and the balance all that.
I can just tell you this at quarterback position. While
the mechanics and how it's taught maybe different, but the
mechanics of success have not changed. Good base good balance,
good finish, throw on time, accurate windows, anticipation, throw people open,

(31:24):
understand who to get and how to get them where
you're throwing it. That's about the athlete. The rappers changed,
but how you get to the result of it. I
could have taught it to Brady, I could have taught
it to Sonny Jurgensen. You can teach it now to
Patrick Mahomes right if you're doing it right, so you're
getting my crown.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Now. Let me tell you something I know.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
And this isn't a disrespect to baseball, because I love
baseball as you well, though it's my favorite. That and
basketball are far more I'd rather talk about Sam a
thousand times more than football.

Speaker 5 (31:52):
Football is just what I did.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
When it comes to this, I'm quite frankly I'll stay
old school forever on this, and I don't even think
it's old school. I just think it's you get paid
to go to work. The ball's not heavy. I understand travel. Listen,
go talk to hockey and NBA travel. It's far worse
than this, and I still hate load management for them

(32:16):
and fans. One hundred and sixty two games. Your job
is to go to work. You're healthy. I understand seventy
games in you may need a day off, and there's
days off that are scheduled that you're not playing as well.
You're not playing seven games a week, So explain to
me why, unless he's banged up, why Jordan Alvarez needs

(32:37):
a break as a DH most of the time. I
know he played left field over the weekend in one
of the games, but why.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
He needs a break. Explain to me why the ball's
not heavy. You can't be tired twenty games in eighteen.
You just can't be the way that we roll out
the we you gotta protect and listen when I hear
allal two now two B is not that old and
it's mid thirties, yeah, thirty four somewha whatever it is,
sure stop it. Yeah, I'll always fight.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
I'll fight and battle any manager, any player, any fan
on Twitter or anything.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
That comes as well.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
You gell it's you know, it's not logical or it
doesn't work for them to work to play one hundred
and forty games.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
One hundred and thirty to one hundred and forty is good.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
No, it's not. If you're hurt. Sometimes you got to play.
Hurt my elbows a little sore. Well, you know what,
you take, take a shot or put some ben gay
on the damn thing, and you've got to get through it. Now,
if you're injured, different thing. And I'm sorry, I have
zero sympathy. I'm up at three thirty in the morning, okay,

(33:42):
And I know I'm not swinging a bat of throwing
the ball, but I did play football and that punishment. Actually,
when you get hit in the mouth with a helmet,
it's not exactly fun. We don't travel every day. They do,
but in baseball they travel every three or four days.
You settle in and you're traveling on you get one
hundred feet of room to each seat. I just I'm
not saying the player are complaining about it. I just
don't get if you're struggling mightily twenty five games, I

(34:05):
need to set back and.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Just watch from the dug out.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
I get it for a game, or if you're if
you've you've gone on a catcher night game to day game,
I get it. I'll never understand why Paradius wouldn't play
one hundred and fifty seven games this year. I don't
get it. With all the other built in days. Well,
I'll shine, it's a long season, great, so you get
paid to do.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
I just don't understand how we accept five innings and
one hundred and thirty five games is sufficient. It's not.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
And when you got a guy, there's gonna come a
time this year Jordan's gonna miss a game because of
a hamstring, because of an elbow, a rib cage of
what's the one over here? The uh oblique that that's common,
it's just gonna happen him or al Tuvey. Those are
gonna be built in automatically. So when they're healthy, why
in the world are they not penciled in? If I

(34:52):
played on Joe a Spot or anybody else's team, We're
I'm going I'm never looking at it. If I'm one
of those guys, I'm in the lineup every day, and
when my name's not in there, I'm gonna say, I'm
hell the whys, and I'm questioning every friggin time. It
baffles me and I see you get me fired up
this morning. I'm glad you did it, because it's not
just Joe, it's everywhere.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
This thing. Oh they need.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
You don't need rest after a twelve game series, playing
twelve or fifteen games, nobody does other than a catcher
on back to back night today, game the next day,
and even then old school Johnny Bench is crouching, and
I guarantee he ain't in the same shape as Buster Posey,
and Buster Posey probably isn't in the same shape is
a guy like Yan or des or somebody else because

(35:35):
of all the stuff they got. How tough is it
to play a game that we put a runner on
second base in a tenth inning and you don't even
have to earn it, so we don't keep them there long,
and the game's over at ten. You go out to
dinner the next night games at seven oh five, seven
oh five or seven fifteen, and that's not enough time
for you to sleep till two on a day game

(35:56):
and be ready to play. I'm not saying the players
are arguing this whatever the rule, or this mental blow
all around were men. Man, He's hey, you always played
ten games in a row. Yeah, he played first base
ten games in a row. What a drama boy, what
a grind. And he's in Chicago for four days, in
Saint Louis for four days, flying first class in Pittsburgh

(36:20):
for three days, in Anaheim for four days. Listen, and
that may be all that's too old school thinking, Sean,
that's irrational.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Well, the irrationally he's nuts.

Speaker 7 (36:28):
Okay, you don't need it, because there's gonna come times
you're gonna miss ten games or so due to injury.
I'm sure for a handful of guys where they're beat
up or their hamstring sore, or they hurt their wrists
or got hit by a pitch when they are healthy.
What I'm just sorry to tell you it ain't hard
to swing a bat four times in a game, especially
when you're the DH. So it's not the player. And

(36:49):
I'm not even saying Joe, I'm talking about it. I
don't understand the thought process of HM, it'll help him late. No,
cal Ripkin survived on it to every day. He never
looked at the lineup card. And I wonder friggin why,
I'm sorry, you're near. Yeah, Derek Henry could play on
a Sunday carry it thirty five times and play again
on a Thursday and carry it thirty more times. I'm

(37:11):
not saying football players are tougher than baseball players, but
they are, and so so are hockey players. But the
travel in baseball is the easiest.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
I know. They're on the road for eighteen days in
a king size room.

Speaker 7 (37:22):
Any So, I'm sorry I get zero simply, well, he's
played fifteen games in a row. Yeah, well, good guess
what he's gonna do play a sixteenth. You're never gonna
convince me that that given a guy twenty days off
during a season, with all the other built in stuff,
that that's the way we do it now. Well now
isn't always the best way. Certain things shouldn't have changed.

(37:46):
That's one of them. They should be pitching longer and
trained to be pitched longer. And your starter should be
playing one hundred and fifty frigging games a year minimum
when they're healthy, period. And if they're not good enough
to play a buck fifty, sit their ass down and
play somebody else who is. And that's where I want
to go. We'll continue it here on The Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
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Speaker 7 (38:19):
But for me, also, scheduled day offs can be changed. Okay,
it was a scheduled day off, Great, We're seventeen games
in as of yesterday before the game last night or
yesterday afternoon is scheduled.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Okay, But guess what.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
Sometimes you have a scheduled meeting and guess what, something
else comes up that's a little more important or that
you need, and guess what, you got to try to
move the schedule, and it's just a simple eraser on
the lineup card and put something else in. And especially
after you homeward. I got to get this guy on
on that streak going. If you goero for five and
give take the you know, the the Olympic rings and
the platinum some beer and strike out five times and

(38:54):
guess what I understand, Well, maybe the next thay, let's
give him couple of buts off, but be ready to
pinch it.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
We may need you. And That's where I'm going with this.

Speaker 6 (39:00):
I mean, the night before he runs into one for
his second one of the season, and we know how
yord On, how streaky he can be with the long balls,
so it's like, continue that momentum.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
You've got the day off today. I'm fine with that.

Speaker 6 (39:11):
But as Brian McTaggert pointed out yesterday, Christian Walker one
fifty four, Jiner Diaz one thirty, and we want camp
Smith in there every single day. But he's batting two hundred.
I mean for the first two guys I just mentioned
right there, why is yesterday not a good spot for Hey,
Let's get to Zenzo in the lineup. Walker, Let's work
on some things. You get tomorrow off too, Let's get
you back in on Friday, fresh start. We go from there. Jiner,

(39:34):
same deal, get Carotenian. I'll cut you a little slack
on the on the Christian Walker, maybe just to step
away for a day and four of bets, but be
ready to pinch hit just to get a break. Sure,
because the mental grind get to you. I'll give you that.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
I could consider that, but I also think, you know what, dude,
you're thirty three years old. You're a pro. Fight you
ask to it. We paid you a lot of money.
Fight your ass.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
That's my mentality, and I understand it's not all you
got to play them all. If you're struggling or I'm
not saying that. I'm saying when you're healthy and eighteen
games in, I do not believe you should be tired.
I'm just sorry. Listen, training camp or spring training may
be long, and do it, but hey, we got to
get off the field by noon. We're going to play golf. Okay,

(40:21):
So it's just just spare me that. I'm not saying
it for the players, but it's set up that I
wouldn't say. It's it's the monotony of every day taking
ground balls and I get it covering first base. But
you're gonna be okay physically. That's why you spring training
ends in three days later, you're playing a game. You're
good to go okay. And it's not the player, it's
how the systems set up to do it. I just

(40:42):
you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that unless
somebody is injured or banged up or herders played kept
caught twenty games in a row, I get the catcher position.
There are aver there, there are outliers to this. You
can catch a day game, one game, day game the
next day. You can and in the case of Jordan,

(41:04):
you're just not gonna convince me, Sean, that's unrealistic. What's
unrealistic about playing one hundred and fifty five games out
of one hundred and sixty too, if you're healthy, what's unrealistic?
And I'm not going to let people beg out every
time they struggle. I'm just I'm not built like that
because eventually, if I keep doing this and keep doing this,
eventually what I'm going to let you beg out on
is you're going to be the You're now going to

(41:24):
be the platoon guy because I'm going to play the
other guy. If you're not producing. It's pretty simple math.
It ain't hard. Some guys deserve the benefit doubts, slow
stars get going, But I just I don't subscribe to
the best day to do it because I'm not sure
what one day for it bets. And when we get
all of a sudden, a guy gets hot, maybe he
changed or went working less than the casion. I'm not

(41:46):
saying you grind harder, maybe smarter, or do it. But
the only way I know how to get out of
something is to work through it.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
What is that? So the song when you're going through hell,
keep on moving right?

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (41:57):
Yeah, so listen, sometimes you're going through to keep on moving. Eventually,
you're a hitter, you'll the bat will find the ball
at some point. Oh for seventy four. Maybe you're not
long for the position period, let alone temporarily. Okay, So
I'm sorry. I'm just I'm never gonna be convinced. Why
don't we give Derrick Henry weeks off?

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Yeah? Why why not?

Speaker 7 (42:19):
Why didn't Aaron Donald get weeks off? Hey, I'm a
little tired man. Last week I played eighty snaps. It
was an overtime game. What am I gonna do? You
know what you're gonna do. You're gonna play on Thursday
on Thanksgiving hockey, you get four day You're not traveling
one night. I mean, listen, if there was a way,

(42:41):
I mean, baseball, of all sports, we shouldn't need the excuse.
I'm just sorry to tell you don't need it. Scheduled
day off, change the schedule. I need Jordan on the
line up until he starts hitting the way we need
him to hit.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
Let's continue this, Standy and Mike. See you guys right there.
We'll get you seven o'clock hour next here Sean Salisbury Show.

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Speaker 6 (44:23):
Astros dropped the series to the Cardinals in Saint Louis,
one week away from the NFL Draft, Texans slated to
pick number twenty five overall in round one and Jojo
Tugler returning for another season at U of H. Speaking
of the Astros, Jordan Alvarez a day off yesterday day
fall four to one and obviously did not sit well

(44:44):
with some. Let's get out to the phone lines. Uh,
Danny in League City, Good morning, Danny, how you doing?

Speaker 8 (44:52):
Hey, good morning?

Speaker 9 (44:52):
How are you gentlemen?

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Thanks buddy, doing well?

Speaker 9 (44:56):
Good? Hi. I was just calling to think about the
other side of that, thinking that maybe that there's players
that need at bats, So you got to have the
whole team ready, not just the rest side for your
and on or whoever else it may be, but you
also have to get the at bats for the rest
of the team. I appreciate you all. Listen to me, guys,
you have a great day.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
I appreciate the call, and look, I mean part of
it too, Sean, is what I was talking about there.
I mean, you've got Zach Dezenzo here. What did we
hear about all throughout the spring training? Well, if he
and Cam Smith are gonna be here, they're gonna get
regular at bats. It's been more for cam Smith than
it's been for Dezenzo. When you have a guy like
Christian Walker who cannot find it right now, let's call

(45:37):
it what it is.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
He can't. Why is that not a spot yesterday?

Speaker 6 (45:40):
That Zach Dezenzo doesn't get those at bats in that game,
maybe gives you a boost.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
I maybe you win the game. Hopefully you don't.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
Go four for thirty one with four singles like they
continue to do.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Yeah, no doubt. I get the argument for the for
the Christian Walker situation. Listen, do I really have to
have everybody get a bats at the I mean, I
understand you want to keep him ready, but if you
need that many at bats, guess where they should be playing.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
You're a pro, that's on you. That's right. As a backup.

Speaker 7 (46:14):
A lot of my career backing up quarterback and start
and so guess what they didn't get me reps with
the first team to keep me ready when we were
getting ready for a game. They get your reps during
training camp, get your reps during off season.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
OTAs you didn't get any reps.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
If you were lucky, you'd go in and get one
or two handed off any throwing or anything. Get it
in a first group during the week of practice. Or
when I was a starter, the backup didn't see a snap.
He got to throw a scout team and study and
study hard. So if you're put in, you better take
what's the word we always hear in football, You better
get some mental reps because guess what, my right guard,

(46:48):
I'm not giving my other right guard work just to
give him work. If you pull, if you twist your
ankle for a series, how quickly are they trying to
get the dude back on the field back on the field. Well,
I only had three snaps and six weeks. Oh well,
we pay you to be ready to play, and so
i'm that and I get the I get it because
we hear it all the time. Our caller is exactly

(47:09):
right of You got to get other guys beats.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
At the expense of what.

Speaker 7 (47:14):
Sometimes there may not be enough at bats to go
around when jord On Alvarezz on your team and he
needs five hundred and fifty at bats or whatever, six
hundred bats, ral touve, I just I'm sorry. My goal
is not to Now, if we're going good and we
got a ten game lead and everybody's roll good, give
him a day off and let you know, let your
backup second basement or right field or the zenzo get

(47:34):
four best. I get it, yeah, but my obligation is
to winning games, not to the feel good business. I
got to have him ready.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Listen.

Speaker 7 (47:42):
That's why pinch hitters, the manny motives of the old
school world, and guys who came up through the great
pinch hitters.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Guess what, you.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Don't play but about twenty five times, thirty times, thirty five,
forty times this year, I'm.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Gonna call on you.

Speaker 7 (47:56):
You may get a start once in a while, but
I'm gonna call on you, and you're just gonna have
to deliver. Better, get down to the cage, better take
extra swings during batting practice, whatever it is, because quite frankly,
I don't think the Baltimore Orioles worried about shortstop and
how many times cal Ripkin Jr. Backup shortstop needed at bats.
So I got callers right, But I disagree with the

(48:18):
fact that for the expense of my team and our
ability to play well consistently, that I gotta get Let's
just use Chaz McCormick for example, that I gotta get
him at bats. If Cam Smith I want to get, No,
I don't got to get you anything. You better get
you better take some metal reps and see it different,
and you better work with the hitting instructor on your time,

(48:39):
on batting practice time. So it's great if you have
if you can platune, you can get a guy at bats.
But you know what my obligation is to making us better,
and so I don't why do you have, Well, they
got to be ready for the postseason, do they? My
philosophy is my starter's better be ready for the postseason,
and that pinch hitter better get enough stuff because even

(49:01):
as a pincha or a platoon guy, even one game,
you're not gonna get enough at bats to feel comfortable.
So you better get comfortable being uncomfortable. My starters start
if you're not hurt or you're not struggling mightily and
beg out of the lineup and you're not injured, your
apps better be prepared to come to the ballpark and
play one hundred and fifty five games period period. And

(49:22):
if you got a schedule day off and you and
it and it works perfectly for us, fine, But if
you got a schedule day off and I'm thinking, no,
he homeered last night and he need eve been aligning in, Hey, Jordon,
I'm gonna adjust. We gonna you're gonna play today. I
don't think Jordon's gonna say no, no, He's gonna say
damn right, I am. So it's not a players it
just the way we set up that you think you
gotta follow suit on everything. Disagree one hundred percent. I'm

(49:44):
not obligated. As much as I like the Zeenzo, maybe
we think you should be starting, but I'm just using
him any of the backups. I'm not obligated to get
you at bats. I'd like to in the luxury of it.
If I have the luxury of getting you at bats,
the luxury of playing the backup quarterback because we were
up by thirty in a college game, and I can
get him the fourth quarter every other week or every week,

(50:05):
great but there's times when the starters played them all
and you got to go in. How many times did
Tua play before he went in there and through that
whole shot to DeVante Smith in the National title game?

Speaker 5 (50:15):
How many times did he play?

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Not sure she snaps at the end of the game,
maybe because old Alabama hammers people.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
But in pressure games, how many times he played that year? None?

Speaker 7 (50:25):
And he comes in and has to pump a hole
shot off of two deep safety, which is a tough read.
The safety doesn't get off the hash. He puts his
foot in the ground and throws a rip shot to
DeVante Smith and that throw. You listen, It takes four
hundred snaps in practice to be able to consistently make
that throw. And he made it because you know why,
he was prepared when the opportunity present itself, save the
I need days rest after eighteen days of work, not

(50:48):
saying the player said it scheduled day off. That schedule
sometimes will change. That's called adapt and adjust. Jordan Alvarez
needs to be in the lineup while he's healthy. He's
twenty five, twenty six years old. Every friggin day, every day,
accept a couple throughout the season because scheduled day off.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
When you're not playing a game, are gonna work in?
Just fine? Hey, you're not talking me out of that.

Speaker 10 (51:10):
We had a caller, his name was jd. He he
wanted to He wanted to get you guys opinion on
the fact that Breakman just had like a phenomenon, a
phenomenal day, and the Red Sox did the same thing
to him, I think, just their past game.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
He wanted to get your guys thoughts. I hate it.

Speaker 7 (51:25):
I did, whether it's core or it's not even here.
That's why I said all over baseball, scheduled day off.
That guy's will, especially him who this month is never
kind to him, and Fenway's always kind to him. You
know what he's playing, what he played. I don't even
were the Red Sox at home yesterday?

Speaker 5 (51:42):
Were there?

Speaker 7 (51:42):
That's right there on the road. They just lost what
they just got hammered. What on Monday fifteen to one?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Was?

Speaker 7 (51:47):
That was sixteen to one. So, but he's always slow starter.
Maybe the Boston uniform makes him feel like he's in Finnaway.
I get it, But how many days off has he
had now? If he's had three days and three games
and eighteen games, I do have a problem with it.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Now.

Speaker 7 (52:01):
I know they're in the job and they do it better.
I just look at it different. I don't know why,
especially after I'm hot, I don't want to day off.
That's when you think about I don't want to day off,
and I don't want to day off when I'm going cold,
because that may be the one day I'm hot. That's
how I think, and I you know they think different
there there. That's why they're the manager. I get days
off and it's a long season. But I don't know.

(52:22):
I wish there were more cal Ripken. I wish the
thought process by your manager was the cal Ripken approach,
where dude, I need you to play every day, and
there'll be days you I'll give it to you, but
you plan to play every day. It's like a substitute teacher.
You're coming to class every day expecting your teacher. When
the substitute comes in, you're like, ah, country club day.
So maybe we should tea to players. Hey, every day

(52:42):
you go to work, every day you go to school,
and now all of a sudden you will come to
the batting practice that one day and say, hey, man,
things are good. Take this day off. Oh Okay, skip,
I'm good to go. That's the oh man I can
said of there and chew sunflower seeds. No pressure on me,
well until the ninth thing. I might need you to
pinch it than that. Yeah, back at it the next day.
I don't see how one day off changes the course
of some geys career. I just don't put them in

(53:04):
a lineup and play them. They should all be playing
one hundred and fifty games a year if they're healthy, period.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
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Speaker 5 (55:26):
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Speaker 6 (55:28):
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Brown going to join us nine to thirty this morning.
Rockets and Warriors Game one Western Conference playoffs coming up
on Sunday. Here at right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Food is the topic of conversation here because Sean saw

(55:48):
this on Twitter at Stuart Flores the third. He put
out a picture of what looks like a pot that
has what I can only assume is, you know, out
of the box macaroni and cheese with cut up hot
dogs in it. Roommate is trying to convince me mac
and cheese with hot dogs?

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Is a normal meal? Is this normal?

Speaker 7 (56:08):
It's not normal. It feels like and I believe me
growing up a matter of fact, I know me growing
up and others. Maybe that goes back to an old
school Kraft macaroni and cheese. Cook a hot dog on
the stove, boil the hot dog or throw it. Before
that was sometimes microwaves were just coming along. Boil a

(56:29):
hot dog, slice it up. And in my house it
was macaroni and cheese, and you'd have the hot dog
without a bunny be sliced up, a hot dog on
a plate, right cut up for you for you to eat.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
It was like, so you had two entrees basically right, Oh.

Speaker 7 (56:43):
Yeah, and that was it. And sometimes you'd mix in stuff,
but that was on you. But I see it because
I know it's happened. It happened to me, and it's
an inexpensive way to feed the family didn't make a
lot of money, sure, and filled ups to this day.
I still like Kraft mana macaroni and cheese out of
the box. Matter of fact, sometimes it's actually better than
the extra rich macaroni and cheese you'll get at a restaurant.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
I still like deals going.

Speaker 7 (57:07):
I do still like I love hot dogs, but i'll
you know, slice up a hot I still love just
eating a hot dog, dipping ketchup or mustard, sitting on
a plate like you would an Italian sausage. Right, And
so yeah, I do get it. Is it norm No,
it's an outlier because I don't think does it go together?
But it does that. That's an old school dish that

(57:29):
was inexpensive and having some of us.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
I haven't done it in a while.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
I've eating macaroni and cheese, but both of them together
and eating a dog just not together. But I get it,
but I would not say that's a normal everyday wake
up meal.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
That is one where you're I'll tell you what it is.

Speaker 7 (57:44):
You got a couple of boxes of mac and cheese
in the house, You got to pack of hot dogs
you always keep around. You pulled it out of the
freezer because you had six packs of them, right, yeah,
And then you think, well, man, we got to get
to the grocery store. I don't have time to get
to the grocery store. Both of us are working. What
do we got to eat for the kids right now?
It's like it's like when you have nothing else, and
you get a cold bowl of cereal at night for

(58:06):
dinner because either you were too lazy to do you
want to cook, didn't want to leave the house, or
didn't go to the grocery store. But you still have
a box of Captain crunching there and you want to
bruise the wrench cut the roof of your mouth with
the Captain crush, right, and you got a little bit
of milk left.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Facts, so you do.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
That's your dinner, and that's the that's the salvage because
kids think it's I mean, oh, I'm getting craft macaroni
and cheese and a hot talk. Life's good. Usually they
don't mix them, but they could be on the same meal.
Does that make sense? So yeah, that doesn't shock.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Me at all.

Speaker 7 (58:36):
But it's not the norm. That's an outlier meal, but
an inexpensive one at that. I mean, so you know,
sometimes you got to improvise. Like a buddy of mine
when I lived in Atlanta, he was dating a chef
and the chef's name boy r D No, okay, no,
making sure her name was Sarah, all right, without the age, gotcha.

(58:58):
But we came home and you know, we had a
few uber back to the place and it's, man, you
know what, it would be really good right now some pasta.
She goes, well, do you all have this, this, and this,
And she was like, I could make carbonara. But then
I was like, we don't have pancetta. I think is
what goes in carbonara? Hot dogs? She cut off hot
dogs and it was one of the best meals I'd

(59:19):
ever had.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
But like the point is, though, is it's like we
did with what we had, and another girl.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
That was with salvage do you salvage the meal? And yeah,
it was fine.

Speaker 6 (59:27):
And then the next day at the pool, because this
was back you know, when you didn't have a ton
to necessarily worry about. You're at the apartment pool. The
next day we had an ell of an apartment pool
was awesome. It's one of the best best times of
my life. And she was just like, yeah, it was
all good, but the hot dogs, and I'm like, you
snooty little one, like that was one of the best
meals ever.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
And I understand.

Speaker 6 (59:49):
I think my line tour was like, go, well, yeah,
you know, she wasn't Emerald Leagasi. She did with what
she had. But at the same time, though, too, I
was like, how slapping.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Was that meal? How good was it?

Speaker 7 (59:59):
A great when it comes there's no diva to me
when it comes to food. Some of the best meals
to me are the ones, Oh I got an idea
mac and cheese, or get a little dog and then
maybe want to slice it down to open it up.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
And sear it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:14):
Do you know however you want to do that? And
he's like, we scrambled around made it and listen dipping
a hot dog and mustard or ketchup or throwing on
just edges. You cut it up without a bun, and
normally we didn't have buns. We wrapped it in a
piece of bread. But with a mac and cheese you
can mix them both. I'm with you, and I think back,

(01:00:35):
those end up being some of them. Man, we made
chicken salad, had a chicken crap, right, I'm all for it,
but it's not the norm.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
That's one of those.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
We did it three times last year because well the
three times we didn't get the gross suhore, both of
us worked extra time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Bam. And then as adult you go back and say,
I kind of remember those days.

Speaker 7 (01:00:52):
Let me grab some craft mac and cheese and I
got a couple of hot dogs and I'm just gonna
throw in a microwave and boom, let's go on that
hurry up meal that tastes good. And then you're kids
think it's a delicacy because they love mac and cheese. Right, No,
everybody wins, and it's you know, it's you run into
a situation where you can make yourself a Texas taco
that's white bread, some sausage, put some mustard on it, foldough,

(01:01:14):
that's what some people call it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
Yeah, I've run into that. You know we're running low
on bread, but I mean we've got this. You need
to run the store right when you're hungry.

Speaker 7 (01:01:22):
The heel gets eaten with a hot talk the heel
of there's no doubt. You load it with your stuff,
and I mean, what's the difference. Doesn't it's not as presentable.
But to me, a hot dog was on a piece
of bread growing up far more often than it was
on a bun.

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
That's just the facts. It was no doubt on a
regular basis.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Man. I know, well that's old school hyperbot. No, it's
it was inexpensive, and you ate inexpensive if you did
have a lot of money. But I'll tell you what.
I thought we were as rich as could be, and
we did add him. It was paid, you know, paycheck
to paycheck, but we ate. I think okay, r f
K probably wouldn't like how we ate.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Grow it up, but.

Speaker 7 (01:02:02):
I got news for you, so we survived. That's that's
not a healthy way to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I can't understand having that type of lifestyle, right.

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
I love nice job by you. I love I understand
what he's trying to do it. I get it, and
I love it, but I got news for it. You're
still never going to tell me a blowy sounds with
mustard and mayonnaise on it and some lettuce and it
just sliced tomato with salt and pepper. Still isn't part
of the good ass food that I'm gonna eat?

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
Okay, Tim Dillon, you know he brings up the orange
and white beacon of hope that we love here water Burger,
and he was talking about, you know, you go there
at one am, and now the voice on the intercom
is going to be RFK, Can I get a honey
butter chicken biscuit?

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
Not good for you at twe am. That's why you
look the way you do. But you could have an
all veggie burger if you'd like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Both.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
That's a my mom when she used to get her
coffee a certain way. The barista once goes why bother,
and she wrote on there, why bother?

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
That's a why bother?

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
Oh yeah, now, I uh yeah, that's a good point,
the why bother point.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna steal that one. We've got black bean burgers.
I'm good. I got to come clean though.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
Yeah, I've got about three boxes of the bulk burgers
in my freezer because I hear's how I eat them,
you know, when you're like, I'm gonna be healthy today
and eat the but I cook them up, microwave them
and take them out of that little plastic or see
the other seat through and I mix ketchup and mustard
and I just dip them in there. And while it

(01:03:31):
doesn't taste great going down, it's still feeling. And then
I feel like, Okay, I'm going to bed healthy. And
then the next day you wake up and eat a
peanut butter cup and frosted flakes. There you go, So yeah,
balance it out there you go. It's all about balance.
That's that's that's what it all comes down to. I
don't eat peanut butter cup and frosted flakes at the
same time. Although it sounds pretty good. I could use
a candy bar for breakfast once in a while. Yeah,
there you go, instead of this dumb ass protein bar

(01:03:53):
I'm eating right now. Doesn't quite have the same kick
that a peanut butter cup does. Although this if you
haven't had it, and I don't mean to give them
any extra pub but that that barbell stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Oh yeah, pretty damn good. Yeah for a health bar.
Somebody get this, man of Calachi. It's very much needed. Yeah,
make sure it's a spicy sausage jalapeno one. I'm in
for sure, for sure. All right, coming up, Nick Cassario
is drafting for need a priority inside the Texans building.
We'll let you hear what he has to say right here.
It is the Shawn Salisbury Show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
The Seawan Salisbury Show continues.

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
Team does this, including the one who looks exactly like
my brother. It's Joe Shane, the general manager of the Giants,
and my brother has been told that now so he
knows about it. But he's out there yesterday talking about
they're not required to pick a quarterback and that they
would be willing to let Travis Hunter play both sides
of the football. So that's the Giants business. But when

(01:04:47):
it comes to the Texans, you kind of know what
you're gonna get when you have these press conferences. You're
gonna get kind of the same old thing that you know, Oh,
this is what we look for in a player. Oh,
you know, this is the you know, we we're about value,
all all of the catchphrases. The bingo card is a
plenty when it comes to it. But we've got three
cuts for you here from Nick Cassario, and one of

(01:05:10):
the things that is on said bingo card is need
over value in terms of a position, and the Texans
are like any other team. Offensive line, receiver, maybe interior
defensive line help. Those are some areas of need. But
when it comes to that, Nick Cassio gives his philosophy
on drafting on that basis, we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Never drafted for me around here.

Speaker 11 (01:05:31):
I mean, we're never going to. So we're going to
pick the best player that we feel it's our program,
regardless of the position. I'd say other than a quarterback,
I mean i'd say pretty much any positions on a table.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
So I understand what he's seeing there, Sean. But at
the same time though too. I mean, I just laid
out some of the needs that Texans have. It's not
gonna surprise me. If number twenty five is an offensive lineman, yeah,
who knows. Maybe a Mecca Buca is there. You like
him there too, But I subscribe to what he's say.
If that's the philosophy, I subscribe to that.

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
If I got three receivers and the best player on
the board by far as a fourth one, I'm drafting
him that unless I've got a such a glaring need.
But let's say you're picking where they are, and the
top five linemen on your board, either interior lineman or
a perimeter lineman tackles, they're gone. And three of the

(01:06:23):
guys that you loved in the first twenty five picks
are still there and play positions linebacker, corner, and slot
receiver or receiver. Right, Let's just say, and you get
to that point and you say, Okay, what's going to
be best for our team over the next five years? Anue,
whatever how you work in it or next year or
impact our team the most in their career.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
That's so I'm drafting now.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
While Nick is saying that. He said, we're just going
to draft the best player. If you have no right
guard and your team blows in the interior and you
haven't anything in the off season, and all of a sudden,
you go down there and you've got the best receiving
corps in the league, and there's a receiver and the
fourth best lineman sitting there, and those are the two
guys that were still in your top twenty five players.
You're taking the lineman because that's the need and the

(01:07:10):
best player. Does that make sense? Yeah, But I am
with him on this. I'm okay to be greedy. And
so if all of a sudden they got there and
some great tight end fell and they felt like they
had a great tit in which they need some help here.
But they thought Schultz was a perennial pro bowler and
the guy from Penn State fell there because somebody didn't

(01:07:31):
like his attitude in an interview or something.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
You still draft him.

Speaker 7 (01:07:36):
It gives you assets to either move somebody else or
just build a position that I honestly think you need
two good tight ends these days. I just do, so
I am with him. The needs for me on this
team are offensive lineman and quite frankly in truth, because
you're moving guys around, I'm not so sure it's not
an interior offensive lineman, meaning even you know the guard

(01:07:57):
positions and maybe a guy who can play center as well,
but those positions unless, of course, a great tackle falls.
But then you had to ask yourself, why why why
is he here? He should have been gone fifteen picks earlier. Right,
But if, like I told you, if a Buka, let's
just say he's the best player on the board, on
their board, and they kind of need a they want

(01:08:17):
a little depth at linebacker. They the tight end that
they got. You know, there'll be a couple of tight
ends taken in the first round. But let's just say
at that point there's a second tight end or a
third tight end, you say, yeah, we had him, but
he's a second.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
Round guy for us.

Speaker 7 (01:08:31):
But the receiver is clearly the best player on the
board and you could use something a little more.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
Drafted receiver.

Speaker 7 (01:08:39):
That That's how I, like I said, before Danny Green
did that, we had you know, when you got Chris Carter.
This was after I was gone, but like a year
after whatever, Chris Carter and Jake Reid and I mean
Anthony Carter and all of a sudden, you know when
AC moves on, But all of a sudden, you're you're
that's a good position for you. There's other needs and
you decide, you know what I think. And then Randy

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Moss falls and your scouting part says, dude, don't pass
on him. And then he says, gimme him a position
they absolutely did not need. Well, the result of that
is six hundred points later, fifteen wins in a season,
and the second best receiver of all time falls into
your lap, tranced the Notre Dame and then goes to

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Marshall and then comes out a little weed background, not
a big deal. And then he said, screw that's the
best player on the board. Go get him. They had
five other positions they could have addressed. They went and
got him, and for the better. If they truly do
and I think they will draft the best player, then
he's basically telling you we're going through that. If the
twenty fifth best player on the board, if twenty four

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of them are gone, and that guy sitting there, I'm
taking him now. The decision is if the twenty fourth
and twenty fifth best players on your board, won's little
offensive line and one's a receiver. Now you got to
decide which one's more important. But I've always believed in
that flash, just give me the best football player, not
the best potential eight. You're the best football players can
to help me win. And regardless of what you think

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or what Todd mcshae think, so what I think, or
what somebody else on social media thinks, because they don't,
they're not studying twenty five hours of tape a day,
even though there's only twenty four hours in a day
to get themselves ready to pick the guy they feels
best on tape. I personally think the offensive side of
the ball is going to be that pick interior offensive lineman,
wide receiver. If they're fortunate to get a tight and

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they like or attackle the bet. I'll be shocked if
they don't move up, but even more shocked if they
take somebody at twenty in their pick. It is twenty five, right, yea,
it's twenty five that isn't on the offensive side of
the ball. That will I will be shocked in the right,
a little bit surprised. But it also depends on what

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happens to those other twenty four picks. Yeah, you know,
hell mcshah is talking to him. He's got Jackson Dark
going ahead, he's got Shedur Sanders falling all the way
down to Cleveland's second pick. And he's also got Jaln Milro,
local kid from Katie going to the Giants in the
first round. I mean, and there's a lot of these
things and they're not you know, they everybody's got a
different draft board. But I uh, when it comes to

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the Texans, the offensive side of the ball seems obvious.
But then all of a sudden, what if there's an
edge rusher that you love that you thought that's a
fifteenth pick of this damn draft and it fell to
you number one? You got to look at Whitey dropped
ten spot? What's going on here? Not two spots but ten?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:11:22):
What did we miss? Or you say the rest of
these guys are just idiots. I'm taking the edge rush.
You say, well, why would you do that? We don't
need him best player. If he's the best player and
Buka is the best player and they're a quarter of
a point apart, then you apply the what's the bigger
need on the best player? In my mind, it wouldn't
be the edge rusher, it would be the wide receiver.

(01:11:45):
Yet what if they felt like daneil Hunter another year
or two and then what we're gonna need the next guy?
And who doesn't want three of those cats? Ask the giants,
Ask good teams that have had them. Hell, I can
move a guy inside, move him outside. So that's why
you take the guy who gives you the best chance
to win, even though to you and I it may
seem absolutely need a guard. But if you get a
dominant wide receiver and you can get a guard, that

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you think, well, the second round is almost we got
him graded almost like the twenty fifth pick of the
first round. Wait till you get that guy and grab
yourself a home run hitting playmaker. That's how I think.
I like when you take the best player. Listen, there's
a best player in need. Really, there's not a big gap, Dan,
You know what I'm saying that the best player available
made very well fill a need. And if it doesne

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phil a need is rookie him being there long enough.
He's that good. He'll fill a need somehow someway right,
I'll find a place to put him on the field.

Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
Yeah, And one thing I do appreciate about Nick Cassario
is he doesn't try to do the recruiting day thing
of oh, you know, this is the best player.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
You know we had this guy all along.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
All those oh yeah, when when the truth is the
guy three of their favorite guys on teams were picked
and they had their fourth guy. This is the guy
we had targeted the whole time. The reason why you
say that is because well you drafted him right right,
And I mean it's he just likes to go to
the We just like good football players. That's one of
his go tos. Have you ever noticed he doesn't say,

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just give me a great athlete. That's why I feel
I want to foot if you say, sean the athlete
over football player potential, over a football player who's a
production guy, I'm taking the production guy and football player
always over the athlete if they're both equal and a
lot of things. But I got an athlete who's not
a football player but learning getting better, Or I got
a football player who may not be his athletic but
always shows up on tape.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
Give me the football player.

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
Who could be available there at twenty five. Nick Cassario
has some ideas. What you hear that's also too the
Texans have been busy on the offensive line this offseason.
We'll do that here Sean Salisbury show Sports Talk seven ninety.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
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Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
Ninety yesterday over at NRG Stadium his pre draft press conference.
We'll get to the second one right here, Triple E
about where the Texans are picking at the current moment
twenty five. Now we know that Nick Cassario has been
a guy that's been willing to move up. He's gotten
super aggressive. We saw that a couple of years ago

(01:14:46):
with CJ. Stroud and Willy Anderson Junior. So for the
players that could be available right there, Nick Asio, what
do you think or how do you think it is
all going to shake out?

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
If we pick at twenty five, we're gonna get a
good football player. I mean, honestly, we feel good about
this draft. I mean there's players letter throw out the draft,
so we're pretty well positioned. We'll have an opportunity, we think,
throughout the draft to add players that we think are
going to create some competition on this football team. I'd say,
whoever we bring in, I mean, it's gonna be hard
to make this football team.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
We feel good about the players.

Speaker 11 (01:15:14):
I mean, our board is probably smaller than some other boards,
and that's okay, but there'll be players that pick on Thursday.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
There's gonna be players to pick on Friday.

Speaker 11 (01:15:20):
Honestly, there's gonna be players for us to pick on
Saturday that we actually feel good about. We're gonna get
a good player if we pick a twenty five, and
if we don't pick a twenty five. Then wherever we
pick next or whenever we do pick, we think we're
going to get a pretty good player.

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
Seven picks for the Texans. I think the only rounds
they don't have are the fourth and the sixth. I
saw the list last night. But regardless, they're gonna have
seven chances to be able to add players. Then I mean,
maybe you have a guy or two who makes it
as an undrafted free agent. Sometimes that happens, but hard
on good teams, right right, But I mean, you know
he's not tipping his hand there for obvious reasons. Oh

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you know, a good offensive lineman, all of those things.
Because yeah, then it comes down to right when you
know your name goes up on the board and the
clock is starting to tick down from five minutes or
whatever it is. If teams have an idea of, oh, hey,
they're gonna go offensive lineman here, you know what, let's
jump up because they're gonna take the guy from Ohio State,
we got to get in there. I mean, it's it's
it's saying pretty much nothing while saying a lot yes,

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and that's by design.

Speaker 7 (01:16:18):
And it also don't pigeonhole yourself into anything. As you saw,
you can tell by his conversation they're not dead set
that they're staying there if we pick, you know, if
we stay at twenty five, or if we don't.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
That's covering.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
He covered every gamut, I mean the whole gamut, right,
if we do, if we don't trade, if we're there,
there's good players, there's others who have more picks. We
think we can get a good player on the first second.
I mean he went through three. I mean he covered
it all, basically telling you it's a wide variety of
whatever we want to do, and they will get a
good football player at twenty five. The question is at

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what position and how good? So I'm with him. I
just you know, you got to be judicious and thinking
about trades and what assets you want to give up,
and you've got to go The truth is you should.
You don't want to miss ever on a first rounder.
Those are the guys you're supposed to say, Okay, we
did that. The real key to an NFL draft because
when I draft a guy in the first round, I

(01:17:13):
didn't expect him to be Kenyan Green. I expect him
to be you know, Walter Jones. Okay, you know what
I'm saying, or Anthony Munyos when I drave that you expect.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Not the Kenyan Green's. I can go and play well.

Speaker 7 (01:17:23):
In Philly, you may, but you don't want to miss
on that guy if you miss on a fifth round
or at times we okay, I get it, but that's
where your team's made after the first round. The first
round is supposed to be good, so they'll get a
good player. I'm just kind of anxious because I know
there's not a lot of buzz because they're not picking
in the first five picks.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Be grateful.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
You don't want to be picking there all the time
because that means you suck ass, right, but this is
where you want to live. As a matter of fact,
you'd actually like to push this down around the thirties
so then you're playing longer and that would be great.
And so like Kansas City and Philadelphia is bonus stuff
for them. They're going to get a guy that whoever
that is that adds to them as opposed to has
to mean, oh, we're just the coverage pretty full. We're

(01:18:04):
just going to add a good piece. And if you're Philadelphia,
their covera's really full. So yeah, I think the Texans
are in a really good position, and they've positioned themselves
with assets and what they've done this offseason to move
if they need to and if it's necessary.

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
And he's made his bones in the second and third round,
I mean last year especially, I mean Blake Fisher is
still to be determined. But can we agree that Kamari
Laster was pretty good? Can we agree that Kaylan Bullock
was pretty good?

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
Well? Petrie is pretty good too.

Speaker 7 (01:18:30):
Yeah, and well think about that. Both Petrie and Stingley
have new deals, right extensions?

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:18:38):
And while Stingley was picked in the first round Petrie,
wasn't you mentioned Bullock who wasn't a first rounder you
mentioned last year? You start to go around the list.
And that's why I say the core of your team,
and really the ones who keep it together glue are
usually not in the first round. Is expected to play well.
And the truth is the first rounder unless it's a quarterback,
and even now with a quarterback, because you're that kind

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of bad team, they're usually expected to play. But when
I draft a guy as an offensive lineman in a
first round, he's playing. I draft a linebacker, Will Anderson
ain't sit right, he's playing. So quarterback's a unique situation,
so it's gonna be it's nice to have the luxury
instead of the absolute have to And at twenty five,
I wouldn't say it's a luxury pick because they haven't

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got pasted the divisional round, right, But it is a
position that you know, you have a good football team
and there's not seven holes to fill.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
That's a good thing. It absolutely is.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
And I mean, you know, these are things that I
do appreciate about Nick Assario.

Speaker 5 (01:19:38):
It's just it's not overthinking it.

Speaker 6 (01:19:40):
I mean, it's you know, where you're a team out there,
like say, for example, a team that I was covering,
the Falcons second round, they had I forget who was
still on the board, but they go with a linebacker
out of Montana State. And my thought was, you're not
good enough to draft that guy, like you don't you
don't have the benefit of the doubt to go out
and draft that guy. I think if Nick Casario, you know,

(01:20:01):
broke an egg here and decided, well, I'm going to
make an omeletk this way, I don't think that people
would necessarily, you know, look back at it and say, dude,
what are you thinking there? Because of how he has
drafted of We're going to go out and get captains
from national championship teams, teams that compete for national championships,
and the expectations are already solidified. You know exactly what
you're getting, Well you you are. I get the feeling.

(01:20:23):
We can discuss it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
But over the weeks we've been doing this and knowing
you for a couple of years now, they I get
the feeling. You don't like small school football players For
the most part.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
I just feel like that it's not a wide enough net,
all things being equal.

Speaker 7 (01:20:36):
If there's a guy that played at Alabama, guy that
played at North Dakota State and both are graded the same,
you want the guy who played at the bigger program.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
Why is he at North Dkota State? That's what I
come down to. If he is a late bloomer, Okay, fine, right,
but you're safer to take the big school guys. What
you're saying, yeah, because especially in this day and age,
we have college football again, why are you still there?

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
If you really that good, why are you still at
that program? Makes it?

Speaker 11 (01:21:03):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
I get it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:04):
That's why I'm asking your thought process on why, Because
you know the first round will have a handful of
guys at North dakost State, maybe a Montana guy or
an Appalachian State corner. It's in the second round, you
know what I'm saying, you're gonna get or a some
school like I don't know, give me another school that's

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not a power, like a Sam Houston State somewhere there.
It's like, Oh, he's a right guard and we're good
drafted him the third round. But the right guard from
Alabama in the third round, maybe he was in. Nowadays,
it's different as it goes further down because recruiting is
so much different Now, good players are gonna get left
out high school players right when they get recruited because
you're saying, I'll describe that guy in the portal, he's
a senior, he'll play me. I'm gonna I'm gonna stake

(01:21:48):
my claim. I'm just gonna do it one year at
a time. Sure, I'm gonna treat him with all his
one and done. So who's helping me?

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:21:54):
Like both Notre Dame at quarterback and Ohio State at
quarterback did this year, neither one were homegrown, and both
of them were in the final. I'm just telling you
that's how coach is thinking. Your four star son at
home ain't always going to have the opportunity now to
get to where he wants to go early, he may
have to go somewhere else and transfer. I hate saying that,
but if they want to get to where they're going,

(01:22:15):
good players are not getting recruited because if I'm a
coach and I got to get somebody done right and
I want to win, Now, do I want the freshman
who hasn't played or the senior who's seen big football
and he transferred to me, paid him some nil money.
That's what we did and now he's got it and
both what you saw in the national title game is
going to be the norm for a while until things change.
I'm just telling you it is because I'm going to

(01:22:37):
let you train the guy, and then I'm going to
have him transfer to me, and then I'm going to
use when he's his senior. Then he'll come in with experience.
You get to have him with the money and all
the stuff that's going wrong. I'm going to get him
when he's worth the money, not the potential, but the production.
Both teams did it so you could actually why a
guy went to North Dacost State because he wanted to
go to Michigan, but Michigan have scholarship available for me. Said,
what's the best next program to get discovered on and

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play good foot ball? Playing a national championship in their
level FBS or FCS. Should I say, boom, go do
your thing. That's part of the reason why, and it's
only gonna get worth that good football players are going
to be scrambling around to find big time programs.

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
Fair points.

Speaker 6 (01:23:13):
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Speaker 6 (01:24:01):
Dana Brown an hour and a half from now, going
to join us for a Thursday visit. This week normally
is on Wednesdays, but we'll be talking to the Astros
GM here in an hour and a half. Astros do
lose yesterday for to one that the Cardinals drop the series,
and they're gonna get the Padres in town over the weekend.
We're a week away from the Texans drafting at the

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moment twenty fifth overall in the first round of the
NFL drafts. But real quick, let's get into some Rockets here.
Sean yesterday and as we went on the air, we
knew that they were playing against the Golden State Warriors.
So as soon as matchups are made, that's when Vegas
starts to come out with the lines and the odds

(01:24:43):
out there. And if I'm not mistaken, I think the
Rockets at first opened as the Warriors were minus two
hundred to win the series, so a pretty sizable favorite
at that point. I think it's gotten down the one sixty.
I mean, I could check here as we continue conversation,
but that's already one that the odds makers out there saying,

(01:25:04):
Oh yeah, past trauma, you know they didn't do all
that well against them this season, there's still something there.
So we're we're heavily going the Warriors in this one.

Speaker 7 (01:25:14):
And hence why you should have gone after the Astros
at when when they were where they were, Oh it
was you said two hundred yeah, before they then now
that one's sixty. Yeah, that's why if you want it now.
They didn't do us a favor in the betting world
unless you jumped on it early, because now you know
the return on your money is not as good as

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it would have been when you got him. And you
always say, well, why the drop? What happened between.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
The time? When?

Speaker 8 (01:25:43):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
When they when the matchup was announced? Yesterday? Yeah? What
I know? And it's when when's that series start?

Speaker 7 (01:25:51):
Sunday? Yeah, so we're on Thursday. I wouldn't have expected
that to move much until a little later, a little closer, right,
so it is, it's starting to move. And I was
actually surprised where the line was set initially. Anyway, I
know that comes with skin in the game, been there,
handled the playoff pressure a little more veteran than youth,

(01:26:13):
you know what I'm saying, So that doesn't surprise me.
But I was a little taken aback that the two.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Seed was the dog.

Speaker 7 (01:26:22):
I understand if it's a slight dog, but that was
pretty significant. You know, money situation on the gambling line
and listen, that's why they build them because they know
how to set the line.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
But excuse me. It felt to me.

Speaker 7 (01:26:37):
That that felt a little bit hyperbolic on the line,
but I don't set them. But if you jumped on it,
I think it was a good I think you get
you've got a good You're getting a good.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
Return on your money.

Speaker 7 (01:26:49):
If you'd have taken the rockets, then it looks to
me like, you know, the sharps think like we're thinking,
now jump all over that and that line's gonna move.
But and it has, And I understand the only reason
what would you because the experience on the Golden State
Warriors and Steph Curry, I get that, But the overall

(01:27:09):
better team, more talented team overall is this team here. Now,
that didn't mean a hill of beans. If you can't
play un a pressure, we'll go find out, right, But
it's the moxie. Postseason moxie is exactly why the difference
was that big when this line came out.

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
And I feel like that final matchup you had to
I think that was the night they actually did clinch
the second seed. But I feel like everything, yeah, beating
them there, you shut down Steph Curry. Draymond tries to
be Draymond, and I mean gets into a little bit
with Shingouon, but then later he tries to do it
with a men Thompson, and men Thompson was just like.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Yeah, man, I'm not gonna go there.

Speaker 6 (01:27:48):
Yeah, yeah, I know your game and I'm not gonna
play that's but but I just I think that there
was something in that game. And you know, here's to
the point you just brought up there. They tell you
in gambling fade the public because for the part the
public doesn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
Here what the public loves, favorites and overs.

Speaker 6 (01:28:04):
So there's that because the way that they look at
it is I was thinking about it this morning for
the longest time. Oh, the Red Sox can't beat the Yankees.
The Red Sox can't beat the Yankees. Then two thousand
and four happened, and what happened. The Red Sox beat the.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Yankees in unbelievable fashion, right.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
Right, I mean, it's it's true to a certain point,
but then it's also all everything that's happened to this
point doesn't matter because James Harden's not here anymore, Russell
Westbrook's not here anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
No, there's absolutely zero similarities.

Speaker 6 (01:28:34):
Bingo, Like, this team has not faced the Golden State
Warriors and I loved this from yesterday Ben to Bo's
throwing this out. The Rockets practice over there at their
practice facility, and somebody asked Fred van Vliet if he
understands the Rockets fans trauma overplaying the Warriors in the playoffs,
and he said, no, this ain't that teams.

Speaker 7 (01:28:52):
Fact, that's exactly the attitude they all have to have,
because think about it, when Harden was here, it was dribbled, drift,
dribbled the way it was set up on a half
court offense. Yeah, a little step back and do his thing,
but for the most part he had to play well
on the offensive end for you to win. Now that

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that was how yet that's that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Jalen Green scores ten, two or three other guys play
good basketball. This team still wins. They're not relying on Now.
I understand what Chris Paul came through here in Westbrook,
and they were all there, but you get the point.
It ran through James all the time and you weren't
going to get anything on him from him on the
other end, so it was five on four. This team
is that there is zero the same, and there may

(01:29:34):
somebody in the building something. There's you know, how many
guys are on the same team that Harden was on
the how many holdoads of holdovers are there from for
the current Rockets.

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:29:44):
None, that's my point, and it was a rhetorical question.
Is that that's why you can't look at the Golden
State Series And I'm even talking about coaching right on
down right, the only one that was the front office
because the new GM was here in the transition right
before you sent hard and away all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
But this team's completely different.

Speaker 7 (01:30:03):
That's like saying, it'd be the equivalent of saying, man
Sonny Jurgensen is different than Jade Daniels. Yeah, yes, he
actually is, right, Hence my point, Right, that's about how
close they are in the same nothing's the same. They
don't play defense the same, they don't run their offense
through the same guy. It changes and it's different. So, yes,

(01:30:25):
I'll tell you who is the same for the most
part is the other guys. Now they've had a few
changes with Clay being gone, but Draymond and Steph and
Steve Kerr No, gmgm's gone too, but they've did the
core of that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
The stability of it's still there.

Speaker 7 (01:30:40):
So if you want to talk to anybody the change,
talk to them. They're the ones who have to come
into this saying this is different. The Rockets know what
they're get, take away long range jump shots and attack
them in the interior.

Speaker 5 (01:30:55):
And a different ballgame.

Speaker 8 (01:30:56):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:30:57):
I'm anxious to see how Golden State hails at. So
I uh, there's nothing about that's why? Oh man, what
do you think about? Does it hold over?

Speaker 8 (01:31:05):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:31:06):
When Joe Capp played in Minnesota, okay, he he Tommy Kramer,
old Rice grad and love Tommy. Our team was a
lot different than when Tommy played when I played, So
if we got beat by somebody in the division, it
had nothing to do with Tommy and that Minnesotavi because
we were different. We didn't know and Tommy didn't have
to play against Barry Sanders, Right, So things change, just

(01:31:27):
like this series different and there should be nothing going
into this. Will you compare? It's a clean slate. Let
it rip. You're the higher seed. Let's go. Matter of fact,
you should be expecting to win this instead of hoping
you can win. You're the better team all around. You
just got to make sure the other guy doesn't go
HAYWIREL you with the rhetorical questions. It's almost like the

(01:31:48):
D's nuts jokes. You're a tricky one, Sean Salisbury. Well not,
it's just pretty blatant. The point is, yeah, yeah, there
you go.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
I think rundown. I ran straight into when they tell
you not to do yeah, less than to outs he
ran me into trouble.

Speaker 7 (01:32:05):
Don't take that extra base. The point was is that
it's blatant. Everybody on the planet knows it. Not a
soul that's going to line up and play or get
introduced in the line of percent of the twelfth man
on the bench was playing when Gordon and Harden and
they weren't here. This is a this is a clean slate.
Well it's Baylor basketball, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
What I'm saying. And they were.

Speaker 7 (01:32:25):
Now they've been playing for national champions you know, and
being in Final fours and Elite eights over the last
fifteen years.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
It's different.

Speaker 7 (01:32:33):
So Golden State's aura has zero to do with this
current team. And yes, I like rhetorical questions because basically,
when you say it, that makes a stamp on the
end of it saying it's blatant.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
This is obvious.

Speaker 7 (01:32:46):
Everybody in the world knows and you know who else
knows it, Golden State, and they're going to have to
approach it different as well for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:32:53):
All right, so let's get in a little bit of
college football here because somebody on ESPN thinks that arch
Manning is a villain. Interesting enough, what you hear what
they have to say right here? It is the Sean
Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.

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This Sean Salisbury Show continues to continue.

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
Cody does maybe maybe maybe a little cheers to him. Yeah,
he's a big bud light guy. He and Shane gyellis.

Speaker 5 (01:34:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
I think that he's probably he's on a pretty good
run right now. I think Pustmall is extremely gifted though
you're talented as hell. And his collapse, he's got him
all over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
He does that all genres he does.

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
He does that one right there with Brad Paisley and
Paisley's parts, it was I think it was like things
left unsaid, but now her tail lights are doing all
the talking and almost like God, that's a great line.

Speaker 5 (01:34:29):
Are you the type of guy that would call Brad
Paisley pays if you guys were tight? H No, Probably,
like I feel like, you say, what's up? Pays? Not
Brad Brado, you know what I mean? No Brado, No Brado?

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
Okay, uh yeah, just probably uh probably just Brad, you
know with him, I mean sometimes you know, because that
is the ultimate sign of your really good buddies, is
you know you've got that nickname in there, maybe even
one that you know on the surface you hear somebody
say it and you're kind of like, that doesn't make
any sense. Yeah, it does for us. It's the inside
joke kind of Oh yeah, now yeah, what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Pays? I wonder bp BP would be a good one.
Pee Yeah yeah, bp.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
B dog.

Speaker 7 (01:35:09):
Now somebody calls him Pays. Oh yeah, like a country
and Western singer. He's married to you, right, Paisley, I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
The daughter in the Steve Martin marriage movie, the oldest daughter.

Speaker 7 (01:35:27):
Yeah, you talking about when they you're talking about like
like when they have nine or ten kids at home.

Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
No, no, no, no, it's it's the one where she
gets married. I mean it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:35:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
Kieran Coulkin's in it. God, why am I not like
thinking that he's the dad?

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
Yeah? Yeah, he's married to Diane Keaton. Oh I know
exactly what.

Speaker 7 (01:35:47):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say anytime you mentioned Steve Martin,
Diane Keaton's in all those type of movies, right, she's Yeah,
she's like you talk about we talk about type cast.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
She's in all those type of movies.

Speaker 7 (01:35:57):
It's either an all girls thing where they're going on
rips or something, or it's she's married the guy who's
dysfunctional and they got fair. Oh yeah, I think she's
a pretty versatile act for the suburban house. There you go, Yeah,
suburb suburban house. She was really good at that. So yeah,
I'm sure somebody will hit us up on Twitter, but yeah,
she is. She's the daughter in that the Bride. So

(01:36:18):
Father the Bride, that's what it was, Father of the Bride.
That's a good movie. Great movie. Hayes pulls too apparently, Yeah,
pulled her. What I'm saying, I just.

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
I just always remember the hot dog buns scene where
it's like, you know, there's so many hot dogs and
not enough buns, so I only need this meant ut buns.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
Yeah, trusted, that's exactly right. He's losing it. Man, Weddings
will say, a really good what do we call a
rom com type of thing? That's that's one hundred percent
what it is. Yeah, a good movie. Man. You got
Martin Short and it it's fantastic. See you understood the
test of time man.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
Steve Martin and Martin Short are almost kind of like,
you know, the furniture that comes with the house.

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
You know that if you got one, you got to
have the other. Yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 6 (01:36:54):
Pretty much the way that they rolled since their Saturday
Night Live days.

Speaker 7 (01:36:57):
But she always know you're gonna get laughs when those
two are in it, for sure, for sure. All Right,
it's Arch Manning as a villain.

Speaker 6 (01:37:04):
Interesting enough because on the surface, you hear it and
you're kind of like, that doesn't really make any sense.
But Reyese Davis College Game Day part of the College
Game Day podcast, you know, it's post spring practice, all
those different types of things, talking about how Arch could
be viewed this season by fan bases that are not
the one in Austin.

Speaker 13 (01:37:22):
Here's what I think that's going to happen with Arch,
and it's unfortunate because of the attention he's going to get.
He is going to be He is going to become
a fan favorite by those outside of Texas and others
outside of Texas. He is going to be the ultimate villain.

(01:37:42):
And I don't just mean Oklahoma people. Those who are
not predisposed to like.

Speaker 14 (01:37:48):
Him, whether they are a Texas fan or they like
the Mannings or they like Manning cast or whatever, or
they just feel like it's too much too soon, they're
going to root against him.

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
I get what he's saying to a certain point, and
the name has a big part of it because it's
you know, oh, well, you're only there because of who
your granddad is and who your uncles are. There's some
of that. It's also I mean, I think that probably
for some in the Texas fan base, Sean, they worry
is this Chris Sims two point zero where I mean,

(01:38:21):
you know, highly touted prospect, all those things. But then
you're like, okay, but who was he playing against in
high school and why is he necessarily going to be
even better here? And you have the fan based who
was clamoring for Major Apple White to get that job back,
and sure enough, you put him in the Big twelve
championship game. They nearly come back to beat Colorado and
the rest is history, as they say. But I would

(01:38:41):
say that more of this is it's more on Texas
than it is on the player himself.

Speaker 7 (01:38:49):
Yeah, oh, you're not gonna dislike You're not gonna dislike
Arch Manning because you think the guy's a clown or
a you know, he bothers you. It's not tall. I mean,
it's not like he's out there do what's he do?
He plays football? He's a Manning. He doesn't bother anybody.
So the fact that he's at a school that you

(01:39:09):
know is highly publicized. He's on a team that is
you know, that has a chance to win the national
championship every year. He's a manning and although everybody loves
the family, and I think what Reese is saying, you
become the villain because people are tired of the pub
and that's exactly what this is going to be because
it's like that man, well, Derek Jeter. Jeter is a

(01:39:34):
hell of a player. But listen, how many people say, alwa,
he's overrated. Yet you look at his numbers, say how
can a guy get three thousand hits to be overrated?

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:39:40):
And you look at how many times he's won and
the captain and all that, right, But they'll go, well,
look at the splits and the bottom line is the
guy was just a consistent hell of a player. But I,
for one, even as a Red Sox, wanted you want
to put Red Derek Jeter on my I had a
hard time not what's not.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
To like about the guy.

Speaker 7 (01:39:58):
He goes about his business, he doesn't bother anybody, and
he's a great player. But he became a villain just
because he's the Yankee shortstop because he got all the
pub and people thought he was overrated for the pub.
And maybe with all the pub he got, he was
but hard to get three thousand hits or whatever and
be overrated, right, So I think that's it. And he
just kind of went about his business. What's not the
like about the guy? And it's the same thing with

(01:40:18):
arch Man. I mean I've never read anything where says
the guy's holding out for twenty million nil and forcing
the transfer portal because he thinks he should be playing
as a true freshman and all those things. And he's like, no,
they're doing it the right way and they're going about
the business. But Reese is right, there's gonna be the group.
There will be no in between on arch Manning. You
love him because he's burnt orange and you love him.

Speaker 5 (01:40:40):
Are you just like him?

Speaker 7 (01:40:41):
You've got to you love the Manning family. And then
there's gonna be oh Man college game days talking about
arch Manning again. It's of course the villain's gonna be
built in. What's not the like? Honestly, I mean, maybe
you don't like the way he wears his mouthpiece here
taking Steph Curry.

Speaker 5 (01:40:57):
The great athlete.

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
He doesn't really bother that many people, right, I mean,
you'd say he's a great player. I'm not comparing arch
Manning to him. He got a lot to do before
you can compare it. My point is it won't be
arch Manning's personality that you hate or that you're bothered by.
It'll be the villain will be because people are tired
of talking about it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:15):
I almost wonder if some of the old school connections
you just mentioned right there is going to work in
his favor, because what has arch Manning not done the
past two years?

Speaker 7 (01:41:23):
Played but in spot he's been a specialist in certain situations.

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
But what has he done to put himself in this position?

Speaker 7 (01:41:30):
He stayed played, he hadn't played, but stayed and normally
a guy with his name, it's been recruited that heavy,
that could go out and probably get ten million dollars
just on the name alone. But he's a good player,
at least all indications say he is. But you're doing
it painting more and still on potential and name before
we see a full season of eighty plays a game production.

(01:41:52):
But you're you're exactly right. We would expect most guys,
I said, no, No, I'm not waiting time on campus three years.
I'm gonna get my first start. Oh I mean, well,
where I'm the starting guy? Should I say now get
my first first? I'm the starting quarterback. They've turned it
over to me. Most would have been gone, but he stayed.

(01:42:12):
So there are going to be those that say, you
know what, the way he's doing it, I like it,
and it will not shock me if he has a
great year this year and comes back and plays another year,
just like do Payton, stick around, get more experience. You'll
be better off for it was sarked than you will
as a rookie scrambling around on a bad team. I'm
convinced that that there is a legitimate chance that he's

(01:42:33):
not won and done as a start. Now, if you're
going to be the first pick of the draft, the
advice would probably be to go. But there's something about
it tells me, just knowing the family's approach. Don't be
shocked that he didn't leave, and do not be shocked
that he stays for four years before he leaves.

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
Yeah, interesting enough.

Speaker 6 (01:42:49):
College football can't get here soon enough, trust me, I
am counting down the days all right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Coming up something that.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
We talked about yesterday. That just continues to be a
storyline and there there's even another twist to it. We'll
discuss that and let you hear about it right here
on the Sean Salisbury Show.

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Speaker 7 (01:44:53):
We're gonna He's part of the questioning I'm gonna ask about.
And the great thing about John you can cover all
any team you want, and he's got you know, I
like to dig into his because one thing about him
as a broadcaster that I love is he knows how
to teach it without getting.

Speaker 5 (01:45:09):
Too wordy during a game. Does that make sense?

Speaker 8 (01:45:11):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
Yeah, talking mechanics, I mean able in between pitches. And
the great thing about baseball too is like when he
and what Joe Davis is his guy now right with
obviously Joe Buck for a long time. Easy to remember Joe,
so you don't have to you have to double study it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:25):
But just just flip a buck for a David right,
really really good together.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
But John's always been good at you're sitting there listening
where he's able to weave in relevant stuff during a game.
Pitch comes and baseball. I love that because you can
have the conversation we've here listened to Steve Sparks do
it too, baseball, football, played to play, Oh they pintly
got to go or innings and you can continue the
story to the next inning about pitching mechanics or what

(01:45:50):
have you. But he doesn't. He's not long winded. He's
very good precise at teaching. He's able to teach you
something about a pitch or a at bat very very
urgently without talking over you. As and if you're you know,
not in his expert world. He doesn't get buried in
the weeds.

Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
No he doesn't. He talks baseball. He's not going to
bury it with a bunch of words. And you're just like,
man like, what.

Speaker 5 (01:46:13):
Did he say?

Speaker 6 (01:46:14):
Yea disimmicks and all that right, dismounts like, you know,
go go ahead and stick the landing here or as
I say, land the plane.

Speaker 5 (01:46:21):
Yeah, he lands the plane well.

Speaker 7 (01:46:22):
And he talks about pitch sequencing. He talks about where
to pitch a guy, and he he John broadcasts like
he's preparing to pitch against the team when he understands
the hitters. So you're getting I mean, if John says
this guy does not hit a high fastball out of
the zone and that's where you should attack, you're pretty
safe to know that, for the most part, the guy

(01:46:44):
doesn't high.

Speaker 5 (01:46:44):
Fastball out of his zone.

Speaker 6 (01:46:45):
Looking forward to that conversation, Yep, it'll be a lot
of fun again. John Smoltz coming up nine o'clock here
on the Sean Salisbury Show. Seven one three two one
two five seven ninety the number to jump on, Larry.
Since we were just talking college football Magnolia, it's to
way and Larry.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
What's going on? Hey, how you guys doing today? Very well?

Speaker 15 (01:47:05):
Hey, the one thing we'd like about Eli and my
family is this loyalty.

Speaker 5 (01:47:09):
He's stuck with the Longhorns.

Speaker 15 (01:47:11):
So this was actually my wife's thinking. Can't you get
these athletes to sign like a two or three year contract,
give them an upfront signing bonus, but give them a
big back end to create some kind of loyalty so
they don't hit the portal every year and just look
for that one year.

Speaker 5 (01:47:28):
Big bang bonus.

Speaker 15 (01:47:30):
I mean, it just seems like there's no loyalty in
college football.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
I don't hang up and listen. I appreciate the call away,
and I can tell you this, Larry, that loyalty is
not just college football, college NFL. It exists it. Loyalty
isn't the first word.

Speaker 7 (01:47:45):
Loyalty going both ways is when you're feel like you're
just not good enough for us or too expensive force
in any sport, we'll find somebody who's not and the
player is, oh yeah, I love it. I grew up
a fan of the second somebody offers you to a
half million more dollars, you're out. So and it's not
fair to put a blanket statement over every player, But
you get the point. I to answer your question, Larry,

(01:48:09):
we're headed there. The problem is you can't make them
sign contracts labor wise and with collective bargaining. But we
are headed towards a union. We are headed towards them
doing all the things pros do. We're headed towards them
being able to hold out and then get fined. We're
headed towards them signing a contract and money value being

(01:48:29):
placed on the player and salary caps.

Speaker 5 (01:48:31):
You're headed towards all that. I don't know how we're think.

Speaker 7 (01:48:34):
About how urgent nil and the transfer portal fell upon us.
We didn't have it. Next thing, you know, it's like
when did this start? That's literally how fast it? I mean,
it was literally like when did this alien hit us?
Just like that, like a meteorite man? And now we're
like scrambling around, like how do you fix it? Well
saying people know the fix. The question is getting collective

(01:48:57):
bargaining and labor laws and contracts and lawyers involved in
all this. Yet it's coming, And I agree with you,
there's going to come a time when you're going to
start paying kids like you do and going into the NFL,
a salarycapped entry level wage scale from high school to college.
Then when they get there, here's this but on the
back end, loaded with incentives, and hey, contract your first

(01:49:19):
team All American. Here's another half a million bucks. It's coming.
I don't when people say, well, that takes the purity.
What purity? We don't have it anymore so, and you're
never going to go back to the Cubic Zirconia we
had for the players, all the fake stuff that they
weren't getting. He gave him a sanch and a T
shirt and a hat, and that's what they got for
selling eight million jerseys and not getting a dime for it.
They deserve money, but it's got to be the right way,

(01:49:42):
not like this. And a kid shouldn't be able to
transfer four or five times a kid, but if he
wants to that, he's got to do like the pros.
I can cut you, I can trade you. You know,
you never even had an interest in going to You
never had an interest in going to Wisconsin, did you? Well,
guess what the best offer for you is Wisconsin. You
better learn to play in cold weather, because that's where
you're getting shipped. Buddy, and so it's coming. So the

(01:50:05):
loyalty is not a word you're ever gonna hear again,
but you have to be loyal at most of the
time when you're under contract, right and we are going
to do it because right now, the players have way
too much freedom in college sports, far more than the pros.
So you're gonna have to put a limit on that
because you just can't or you're going to run into
these kids getting bad advice. The Tennessee thing will happen

(01:50:26):
regularly because in truth, the players also need to realize
at some point in time that the guy that's going
to replace you sits next to you in your room.
There's always another player. It may not be right away,
but you're always going to find a guy. A kid
who's the seventh grader right now is going to be
a star someday. The backup in the room that you
never saw. You're like, man, he may be pretty good.

Speaker 8 (01:50:44):
I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
Kyle McCord transferred from Ohio State as a tenor one,
ten and one or eleven to one quarterback starting quarterback
transfers to Syracuse gets to throw the ball like he
wants to. Whether it was a disagreement with the coach.
I know if we've discussed this briefly, but and now
he's going to be what a third, fourth, fifth round
pick put up numbers just I mean, who's starting quarterback.
You're the guy had a pretty good season decides to
leave well an il or comfort or coach. But in

(01:51:07):
order to do that from now moving forward, at some
point in time, you're going to have to ask for
a trade from college. You're going to ask them to
give you your outright release. You're gonna have to sign
a contract. You're gonna have to say, well they can
cut me and kick me out. Yeah, and then you've
got to pay for your own schooling, just kind of
like you'd have to go get a job. So it's coming.
So loyalty is not the word to use.

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
It's just fiscally and contractually obligated.

Speaker 7 (01:51:32):
That's what's coming down the pike. If we stay on this,
on this steady decline of college sports, well the power
force you just break away. Honestly, well that's coming as well.
N C two A is not going to be the
ruling body in the next decade has pretty much been.

Speaker 6 (01:51:46):
You know, they've found out, especially on college football, you
don't matter. We don't care like you can try to
show up with your investigators. We're not under subpoena power.
We'll just tell you that. You can stand here all
you want. Nobody's talking to you.

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
You're just in the way.

Speaker 7 (01:51:59):
The player, the coaches, the money, the networks, the all
the things that come into n C two A right now,
they're just a nuisance. They just get in the way.
They're figured they're about six or seventh in the pecking order.
They think they're one. But in truth, at any time,
these four conferences say we're just gonna look what they
did to college football realignment. They know we're leaving, We're

(01:52:22):
not get enough money in the PAC twelve. We're leaving.
When what are you gonna do about it? And guess what,
absolutely nothing. And it's gonna be the same here. Eventually
the boss of the power for is the chairman of
the board in college sports. It will not be the
NC two A.

Speaker 6 (01:52:40):
No, no, And it's it's quickly trending that direction by
the day. All right, So the story that won't go away.
And now conspiracy theorists are involved. Oh this is fun.
We'll talk about it. Let you hear about it next
right here, Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 5 (01:52:56):
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Speaker 6 (01:53:03):
We talked about this yesterday, the all woman crew that
went up to space. Now it was Gail King, it
was Katie Perry, Laurence Sanchez part of it, and I
mean we had a lot of different opinions of it.
Of you know, it's a waste of money, waste of time,
all of those different types of things. Well, somebody caught
up with Gail King and asked her about this very thing.

(01:53:26):
And we've had a lot of really interesting people who
have gone up in the space in the past. I mean,
Buzz Aldrin, we know that name. Neil Armstrong, Yeah, pretty good, Yeah,
we know that name. So you know, we've got the
famous names that have you know, donned the space helmet,
gone up in the space. Well, Gail King harkened the
name of another one in comparison to the trip that

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they just took up, the eleven minute trip up to
space and just sit back and enjoy.

Speaker 16 (01:53:54):
Please don't call it a ride. That is not a
freakin ride. Whenever a man goes up you have never
said when asked her, boy, what a ride? You know,
we duplicated the same trajectory that Alan Shepherd did back
in the day. Pretty much no one called that a ride.
It was called a flight. It was called a journey
because a ride implies that it's something frivolous or something

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that's lighthearted. There was nothing frivolous about what we did.

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
Did she just compare her and her crew to Alan Shepherd?
She did.

Speaker 7 (01:54:25):
I just want to let her know that Alan Shepherds
wrote was a little different than eleven minutes.

Speaker 16 (01:54:29):
There was nothing frivolous about what we did.

Speaker 6 (01:54:33):
So is it going to be, you know, the right
stuff with Gail King, the Gail King story, the right stuff,
the right stuff too, back to space.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
I hate to tell her this. It was a ride.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
A ride.

Speaker 7 (01:54:49):
By the time you gathered your senses from the g forces,
you were on your way home. Now, I'm not saying
it wasn't a great opportunity and fun for them and
a little bit nerve wracking. I get all that. If
you want to say all that was what an experience
it was. It was the best eat ticket, right do
you'd ever have? I mean, there's no roller coaster, skydiving

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that can get can emulated or bungee jumping, right, the
sky diving being the most because you're you know, in
a plane. But did they compare this all the talk
about diminishing all the time and effort as Okay, I
want to know, did Gail King go to school and
did she did she work? And she had to throw
the guy in there? If you have you noticed that
she had to make she had to blame it on that. Oh,

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it's misogyny that you're, well, there's only wasn't there only
women on this trip?

Speaker 5 (01:55:37):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:55:38):
Right, right, so you are a woman, so we we
we approach it as a woman. And if there was
only guys, and it was, if it would have been Bezos, Clooney,
Clint Eastwood and somebody else.

Speaker 5 (01:55:51):
I mean, you know, we just said it was it was,
it was. It was just a trip. It was it
was a it was a joy ride. You could throw
Tommy Lee Jones, that movie where they all came back,
Steve Buscemi, whatever, you throw them all in. We just
said the same thing, So don't try to sneak in
a misogynistic point that because you're a woman, we called
it because that's exactly what was. I don't know, did

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they grind like Alan Shepherd did. Did they grind like
the astronauts did for months upon months and years upon
years of study in math and school and don't know,
you strapped yourself in which I give him full credit for.
And frivolous.

Speaker 7 (01:56:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was extremely frivolous, because I don't
know did they go up there? And did they gather
information to bring back to make our space center?

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
Because frivolous she tried to say too.

Speaker 6 (01:56:35):
And I mean, because this was about a minute and
a half clip that I wasn't gonna bore us with.
But that exploration and experimentation, It's like, Gail, you were
there for eleven minutes. You weren't even there for eleven minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:56:45):
It was eleven up and then eleven back. Yeah, did
you get off the Did they get off the ground?

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:56:52):
Did they did they? Was there any part of them
that left their seat? Oh? You mean, like to be witless?
I think for like a minute or so.

Speaker 6 (01:56:58):
And that's when Katie Perry decided to sing what a
wonderful world or whatever?

Speaker 5 (01:57:02):
Great? Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:57:02):
And like I said, I'm not that looked like a
fun ride and that some people wouldn't do because they're
scared to death to do it. I give them credit
for that, but do not compare yourself to an astronaut.
It's his life preparing for it, and you, hey, hell yeah,
I got invited.

Speaker 5 (01:57:23):
I'm going.

Speaker 7 (01:57:23):
I'm sure they did a little bit of due diligen
on that, but I don't think you had to do
I don't think you had to put your math degree
and figure it out flight times that operate in the machine. Okay,
the the spacecraft, and it was a ride. We're not
making fun of It's well, we are kind of making
fun of it when you when you on board with that,

(01:57:45):
when you open up a cannon worms by comparing yourself
to an astronaut, then you allow us to clown you
for that. Otherwise, it was a trip and a successful
You're home safe. What a cool experience for you, guys, frivolous.
A lot of money spent for your cool experience. So
that is the very definition for the most part of frivolous, right.

Speaker 5 (01:58:06):
I mean, it wasn't needed, but they did it. It
was a great experience. Call it that. Don't compare yourself
to a lifetime astronaut that did something different, that didn't
spend it going eleven minutes on a U turn. Okay,
what about the astronauts you just got brought back home?
Like they probably hear that. They're like, oh, you have
some nerves. Yeah over Yeah, we spent six months there
and we were supposed to be there nine days or whatever.

(01:58:29):
It was, so save the lead. It was exactly that,
a frivolous leisure trip that we've all I mean in
life taking the frivolous leisure trip. Sure, but stop it.

Speaker 7 (01:58:43):
Okay, it's not like you broke out the ladder. But
talk about self importance. See where gracious, we're sitting in
a room right now. There's a thing called reading it.
Oh my go yes, that's not reading the room there Sean. Yeah,
while these people are still recovering the two astronauts that
were in space, it couldn't come home for a while. Hey,
how'd your eleven minute journey trip fun joy ride go?

(01:59:06):
Because that's exactly what it was. Be grateful you're home
safe and that there was no problems. Eleven minutes is cool?
Take us about that much time to walk to and
from our car. I'm kidding, well kind of, And so
order breakfast right now and in the next ten or
eleven is when it gets here in eleven minutes. You
can say that's how long, but I do think it'd
be I think it's cool. I giveing them all the

(01:59:27):
respect in the world for what they did. I've known
Lauren Sanchez for a long time, so I give them credit.
But I can tell you this, Please don't compare yourself
to an astronaut, because right there in there, you open
yourself up to get the.

Speaker 5 (01:59:39):
Out of here.

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Speaker 7 (02:00:52):
It is well grateful now here at nine o'clock hour
to get on Hall of Famer, great pitcher in Major
League Baseball, obviously the lead game ana for Fox every
single week with Joe Davis joins us now here on
the Sean salasbish on Sports Talk seven ninety John. Welcome in,
my man, But let's get to the most important thing
before you do anything. Are you do you have a
tea time today? And will you try to qualify for

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the US Open this year?

Speaker 8 (02:01:17):
The answer is yes to both, and it's been a
great week weatherwise here in Atlanta. So I've played thirty six,
thirty six and thirty six leading into today and there'll
be a boring eighteen today.

Speaker 5 (02:01:30):
Do you suck okay? Meaning meaning we all wish we
were there with you? Good on you. Let me ask
you about the competitive juices the.

Speaker 7 (02:01:38):
Same for you, uh, nerves wise and juices when you
when you tee it up in one of those or
when the qualifying or more than when you pitched in
Major League Baseball way.

Speaker 8 (02:01:50):
More playing in the US Open and playing in the
Champions Tour events or any celebrity event. There's always the
nerves of the unknown because I'm not mechanic. Sound like
I was in baseball. I know people don't believe it,
but I was really never nervous in baseball any big game.
I knew what I could do, and I was always
committed to doing that because I worked hard at it.

(02:02:13):
Golf is just a learn trait, and I'm not mechanics.
You get exposed, you see it. At the professional level.
The nerves get you when you're uncomfortable, and the first
ees have always been the most uncomfortable for me because
I practice wrong, I play wrong, I get two balls
sometimes off the first tee. With my buddies, there's always that,

(02:02:35):
you know, kind of safety net, and there is no
safety net in a competitive round. One bad swing and
you're off to the wrong way. So I'm way more
nervous than golf.

Speaker 7 (02:02:46):
Yeah, you know, John, It's interesting, and having played the
quarterback position and coaching it and teaching kids mechanics and
being an obsessed golfer as well, I can't seem to
apply the same mechanics that I was so comfortable with
to golf. Yet I listened to you on your broadcast
and I was saying it before you came on today.
You're so good during pitches, in between pitches, pitch sequencing,

(02:03:09):
But the mechanics of explaining it to us as a
viewer so quickly but thoroughly, without you know, getting too
busy with the words and allowing us to understand the
mechanics of a hitter or a pitcher. So in your
golf game, when you apply it or when somebody else
applies it. Why do you think a guy who's a
mechanics fanatic like you are, why is it so tough

(02:03:29):
to apply it to your game in golf?

Speaker 8 (02:03:32):
Well, the biggest reason has been, you know, physically, I
am not able to do some of the things that
It's the reason I don't take a lesson, right. You know,
I've had two hips for places, I've got three shoulder surgery.
He's four. I mean, I'm basically you would have sworn
I played football, But I'm a self I'm self taught
at everything I do. I kind of tinker a little bit,
but what I learned is when i'm in when I

(02:03:55):
feel you know, good about something, I emulate it and
so the reason it doesn't translate is I've just been
banged up and got some bad habits, and that's the
beauty of golf. Try to hide that. It's hard to hide,
and that's why I love it. That's why I'm obsessed
by It's why every day could be your day. And

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you would think, unlike other sports, when you're in a
zone in golf, you would think that would last longer
than it does.

Speaker 5 (02:04:22):
It doesn't.

Speaker 8 (02:04:23):
Some of the greatest in the world have, you know,
two three week runs and then it kind of disappears
for a little bit. So that's what I love about it.
And you know, I'm fifty seven, soon to be fifty eight.
I'm trying to train again now that I've got some
artificial parts of my body that make me feel better.
I just I want to play it as long as I.

Speaker 5 (02:04:43):
Can, hey Man, And for me, it lasts two holes.

Speaker 7 (02:04:45):
John that moment, and we saw on Sunday with Rory
McElroy it was literally from start to finish every other
hole that moment and went away and it came back.
For him to be able to do that and close
it out was phenomenal. Hall of Famer John Smoltz obviously
the lead analyst in game analyst for Fox and as
one of the great teachers when you're watching a broadcast
that we have on television. All right, John, let me

(02:05:06):
let me get to baseball. How you know, with a
long season, overrated or underrated. When we talk about fast starts.

Speaker 8 (02:05:15):
Overrated, thirty game barometer, it's more of a good indicator
of an oh or here we go, maybe even getting
to forty five. I know, I talked to some managers
and I find it hard to believe that they don't
look at the standings until the All Star break, which
good for them if they can do that, because we

(02:05:35):
are in a fast track world. I'm in or I'm
out on your team right and right now. There's been
some horrific starts to some teams that had high expectation.
And I always I always talk about coming out of
spring training, you spend a lot of time working on something.
I'm not huge on the carry over effect of the

(02:05:56):
year before because it's such a long year. But you
know your warts. You know your strengths and your warts,
and I always say that when they when the warts
get exposed, that is the worst scenario to start for
a team that is concerned about that. Meaning let's say
you're pitching is an issue and you come out and
just absolutely don't pitch, well, then that's going to be

(02:06:20):
a topic the rest of the year. And or hitting.
You know, when you get exposed early, it's up to
the other aspects of your of your team to hide
that until you can fix whatever is getting exposed. And
I definitely have seen that with some teams already based
on the roster or based on the slow starter or

(02:06:40):
fast start.

Speaker 7 (02:06:41):
Hey, John, we've had trouble here, you know, since yu
Ley left here in Houston, of trying to find a
bopper or somebody the productive, everyday guy at first base.
They go get Christian Walker and eighteen games in he's laboring,
you know, harsh. It's it's been harsh on him. Yet
we've seen him in Arizona. Good player, right, So when
do we do you do with a guy like that?
John working on mechanics during the season, I mean, what

(02:07:04):
do you say to Christian Walker? And you mentioned man,
you see the war to what's going on, And plus
it's heightened because it's at the beginning of a season
for a new guy. How does a guy get out
of this and do you just let a veteran play
through it.

Speaker 8 (02:07:18):
Yeah, the track record, the baseball card, I know, we
don't go by that anymore. We're into so much of
the deep analytics and hard hit rate and all those
different things. And what I say is anytime a player
who's been in an organization for more than six years,
it's always a transition bigger than people understand. So you
get a player new spot, and you have new hope,

(02:07:40):
and then that player presses or wants to impress their
team so much that you get out of the things
that make you who you are. Different stadium, although that
shouldn't be the issue because this is a pretty good
hitting stadium, and I think time is the best served
for a new player. We've seen it with some of
the high expectations of a friends school ndor big time contracts.

(02:08:02):
Whenever you're replacing somebody and your your organization has a
transition and you lose some of that identifiable players, it's
difficult to figure out what is this team moving forward.
You know, you've seen no Bregman, no Tucker, You've seen
some some other guys go. And I think Houston has
a unique opportunity where they still know how to win

(02:08:26):
and and I think once you once you let that settle.
In last year, of course it got a horrible start,
they still went win the division. So I think you
got to give that player a little bit more time,
even if the team has had a historic run in
the last seven or eight years, as Houston has.

Speaker 7 (02:08:44):
John with the analytics you mentioned, this is a team
that's that's built, been doing it along one of the
one of the best at it. For you from your
from your vantage point, you've seen both because you played
in one what was semi but it was feel and
now we've I don't want to say completely switched people
hinge on it and lean on it a lot. Do
you like looking at a card telling you what you're

(02:09:06):
supposed to do with the runner on second and a
guy at the plate? Are you big in the analytics
a mix or are you still a field guy?

Speaker 8 (02:09:15):
Well, I'm a balanced guy. I wanted information right. I
didn't want information overkilled. I didn't want one bucket. I
needed to see with my eyes, learn on the job
and get the information so that I can decipher what
works for me. I think the problem in this sport
and every time you you know, I talk about it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:35):
People want to go kill.

Speaker 8 (02:09:36):
Me saying I'm anti analytics an I'm a results guy.
Right in over one sixty two, you can make some
arguments there's some value in the analytics department of what
they've come up with, But then I look at the outcome,
what has become better because of it, and we certainly
aren't preventing injuries. It's the highest rate of injury in
the history of the game. So analytics hasn't helped pitching

(02:09:58):
stay healthy. They have certain how pitchers be more dominant,
but their careers are shut. They're cutting half. Hitting has
suffered dramatically because of it. It's behind the eight ball.
But the reward system is what analytics is ultimately responsible for, right,
So if you're not if you can throw twenty five
to thirty five interceptions in a season and not get

(02:10:21):
dinged for it, then are you going to be worried
about throwing the ball away or you're going to try
to fit it in the tight space every time because
analytics is we want X, y Z, and so that's
to me. The players are changing, they're changing their reward
system and they're chasing it. So if you strike out
two hundred times and run into thirty five mistakes and
hit thirty five homers, it's considered kind of a good

(02:10:42):
year even if you're hitting two oh five. So my
biggest belief in the game and how it's played is
if it's balanced, then it's great. But if you don't
dev eight after a one to sixty two schedule and
apply your analytics to a best of five and best
of seven, I believe you're at a disadvantage. I think
you're not playing the type of game that allows you

(02:11:05):
to win a championship. When you have a runner on third,
nobody out, and the amount of times that I've watched
baseball that a runner doesn't even move and the ball
is not even put in play, that to me is
not good baseball. But analytics and the philosophy of teams says,
I want you to hit the ball in the air
over the outfielders' heads. I don't want you to hit
a ball on the ground, even if that'll score a run.

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So there's a lot of things that I think we
get out of whack, and it's kind of what it
is now. So as an announcer, I have to adapt
to the way a team wants to play, even though
I can still call for what I think should happen,
but I have to explain, well, this team would prefer
for this to happen. So I've been doing this a
long time. You do not win a championship in the

(02:11:50):
top ten in strikeouts, You just don't. You don't win
a top championship in the top five strikeouts if your
offense has too many strikeouts. I don't care how many
right outs your pitching staff has. You've got to be
able to put the ball in play to win in baseball.

Speaker 7 (02:12:05):
Lead baseball analyst at Fox, John Smoltz Whill Hall of Famer,
joins us for a few more minutes here on Sports
Talk seven ninety. All right, John, when I say from
er Valdez, what's your answer if nobody's seen him pitch with,
what's your first thing you say to somebody, I drew.

Speaker 8 (02:12:24):
I love watching them pitch. I think this is what
pitching is all about. I love his mechanics. I love
everything about what he does. I think you're going to
see him drift in and out of greatness made it
mainly because the mental locking in. Sometimes he might drift.
We all I did that. I'm I'm an advocate of listen.

(02:12:44):
Being honest, you know, it's it's hard to stay locked
in every single game. But when I watch him pitch,
that's what I would teach. Finish is in a great spot,
tremendous movement, doesn't have the max effort ninety eight ninety nine. Look,
he's not free of injury, but I would say of
all the pitchers I watch, he's less. He's less capable

(02:13:06):
of being injured as we are teaching the other guys
throwing max efforts. I think he is one of the
best pictures in the game. And if he can get
to a place where he could stay more locked in
emotionally and mentally, you're going to see a cy young
no doubt out of this young man. He pitches in
one of the tougher ballparks and still quiets the bats

(02:13:29):
at a rate that is what it's all about.

Speaker 7 (02:13:31):
And Johnny, Yeah, and he eats innings. John And you
mentioned that part of it about the question is and
I know listening to you, just from listening and watching
you about the mental and emotional approach to playing and pitching.
So is he tough enough mentally and emotionally in your
mind that that I guess those moments when he has him,

(02:13:52):
when he's like disconnected, Can he bring him back in
good enough to be that guy who you can rely
on when it matters regularly and consistently.

Speaker 8 (02:14:01):
That's gonna be the big question. You never know when
a player clicks to the next level. It took me
a while to learn some things. In nineteen ninety six,
I went to the next level and I thankfully never
went back. I learned how to survive now. It was
a different rewards system. Thirty six starts is different than
twenty eight to thirty that are expected now. And I learned.

(02:14:23):
And I think that's gonna be either his payday or
is not going to be his payday. There's gonna be
a lot of talk around him on when I think
he's a free agent after this year.

Speaker 5 (02:14:32):
Yeah, yes he is, And so that's gonna be.

Speaker 8 (02:14:36):
That's gonna be either for some clubs that don't see
enough want to roll the dice for the current club
in Houston. You know, Look, I know Jim Crane's very shrewd.
He makes great, really very big decisions, and he makes
them calculated. And so if he feels he's that player,
then he'll sign a ballplayer to a contract that's lucrative

(02:14:57):
and long term. But if he doesn't, then, you know,
I think, then then that's that's the rub right there.
You got to understand, as a player, everybody knows everything
about you, and your current club knows the most. And
when I see players, not every time, but when I
see certain players go other places and sign bigger contracts

(02:15:19):
and their club didn't make it even close to it,
it tells you what you need to know about that
club feeling about that player, not one hundred percent, but
more than not. And so that's why you see a
lot of guys get rewarded for the one really good
year that happens later in their career, and they get rewarded,
and then you got to wonder, is that the player

(02:15:41):
you're getting or is it that one really really good
year that's an outlier.

Speaker 7 (02:15:45):
All right, you're my manager. We got an elimination game
that gets us to the World Series or wins the
World Series. And I got all my pitching staff healthy
and Hunter Brown and fromber my front two guys, and
I got to win the game.

Speaker 5 (02:15:59):
Who are you run it out there? First?

Speaker 2 (02:16:03):
Man?

Speaker 8 (02:16:03):
I'm a huge fan of Hunter Brown. I know him
from my home state and talk to him a few times,
and I'm telling you he's coming into his own and
he has arrived and he had to go through the
same thing. He had to shuffle the analytic information what
he's trying to do, and I think he's become that picture.
As much as I absolutely just laid out how much

(02:16:27):
I love Freimberg, I think you can't make a bad decision,
but matchup wise, it might make that makes sense to
go with one guy or the other. Hunter Brown right
now is the guy of the future for the Houston Astros.

Speaker 1 (02:16:42):
He is.

Speaker 8 (02:16:44):
I think Justin Berlander did him well while he was there.
He's navigated who he wants to be. He's finding a
way now to not strike out every single batter, which
is a problem for a lot of young pictures because
that's the reward system. So I would not even think
twice about giving him the ball in a big game now,

(02:17:04):
And that's a good problem to have when you have
two guys you could go to at any point to
win a big game.

Speaker 7 (02:17:09):
And I'll leave you with this, John, talk me off
this ledge real quick. You and I are the same era, guys,
same around the same age, and I get I'm maybe
it's little old school, but I think I can be
old school with this. Is healthy players that need twenty
five days off during the seasons that aren't this schedule,
that aren't part of that. You're not playing on that day?

Speaker 2 (02:17:30):
Talk me off.

Speaker 7 (02:17:31):
Am I crazy to think that the ball ain't heavy?
And if you're a DH or a first basement a
third baseman, you should expect to play one hundred and
fifty plus games?

Speaker 5 (02:17:38):
Or Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (02:17:39):
Now?

Speaker 5 (02:17:39):
Do we got to have that rest?

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
No?

Speaker 8 (02:17:42):
We've got all from information over kill. This is what's
hurt the game. In my opinion. We have too much knowledge,
too much technology, too much nutrition. Listen, I would be
going off on this information if guys were healthier. I'm
about playing the game the right way and being healthy.
I want guys to have twenty year careers. We're not

(02:18:02):
even close to having that. We've got so much information
on sleep, study and nutrition. Why are guys getting hurt them?
Why are we overtraining the muscles and the body for
a sport that is not meant for big muscle sport.
It's a fast twitch You want to talk about football,
We got more players that look like football players in

(02:18:23):
baseball than in the last twenty years. So when a
guy's ten for his last fourteen, but he's got a
scheduled day off because that's what the sleep study says. Uncle,
with that right, I don't even come close to realizing
why that's even an issue. And so our player softer,
not necessarily, but they've become softer because the information has

(02:18:45):
allowed them to. In our sport, it was nothing to
play one hundred and fifty two games. But if I
tell you every day at work you're going to get sick,
you're gonna get sick. You're going to start not only
believing you're gonna get sick, you're probably gonna get sick.
And there's so much to the game and the mentality
that used to be where you train for the longevity

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and the long run. Now if you don't feel good,
you don't have to play. You don't even have to pitch,
and so that's the way the game is run. They
think that's better. I hope they're right, but it's no
evidence that has showed their right. If the injuries go
down mysteriously in the next two years, you'll hear me

(02:19:29):
say great, if pitchers stay healthy and not thirty eight
percent are incurring Tommy, John, I would be going great.
I'm not anti information, I'm anti results when the information
doesn't match the results. And that's what you hear nobody
talk about. They love the information, they've built an empire

(02:19:51):
on information, but they will not talk to the health
and well being of a player because they know that's
unsustainable in the current model. So no, you're not wrong
to think that, but it is again, if you're playing today,
you're not going to beat down the door of your
manager and say I'm playing today. You don't even have

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that choice, so you welcome it. And it's the norm.
And so again I'm not blaming the player. The player
is only a byproduct of the system that.

Speaker 5 (02:20:22):
They are playing.

Speaker 7 (02:20:23):
I hate the norm of the system the way it
is right now, John, great stuff hit him straight. But
let's do this again and have a great baseball season
on the broadcast and any of your qualifications for all
these great events that you have, And we appreciate you
spending time.

Speaker 5 (02:20:35):
With this as always, my men, my pleasure, Thank you,
Thanks appreciate it. That's the great, John Smols.

Speaker 7 (02:20:40):
We'll come back and discuss and be a quick segment
because guess what we're clearing the decks for our next guy,
Dana Brown here at the bottom of the hour.

Speaker 5 (02:20:47):
We'll come right back.

Speaker 2 (02:20:50):
Emotionally tied to the team, The Sean Salisbury Show continues, Hi,
let's go John Lee Corso announcing that he is tiring
from college game Day, is going to do one final
game Day on Saturday, August thirtieth, thirty eight seasons that
he did college game.

Speaker 7 (02:21:07):
Day, he is College game Day and I know that
you know they've limited his time recently, and listen, he's
earned the right to go when it's ready for him
to go. And A Lee's what is mid eighties now
so beloved one of the most beloved broadcasters we've ever
had in any sport at any point in time, and
College game Day aside. Now TNT's basketball shows with Barkley

(02:21:30):
Nuts is entertaining, But the very best studio show we've
ever had on a consistent basis on a game day
type thing is this one. And to see you know
what Corso's done over his career, and my guy Herbstreet,
who does a great job of being a caretaker for
him at times, and Lee doing what he's done forever.
It's time for him and I get it, but he's

(02:21:51):
going to be missed. Even though it's been limited over
the last couple of years, we still look forward to
Corso and the way Kirk and him. It's like the
father's son take a relationship. We'll get We'll get Herbstreet
on here soon and have him talk about what that's
going to be like, because I guarantee you there will
not be dry eyes on that sete.

Speaker 5 (02:22:08):
I think the entire show, he's not gonna have a
dry out.

Speaker 7 (02:22:10):
You may actually see a guy like Nick Saban eyes
water a little bit because when Nick retired it was
the end of an era from college coaching, and this
is the end of a broadcast era that was built
on I mean, you didn't know how it was going
to turn out, and it's turned out to be an
award winning must see every Saturday that we watch, so
God blessedly Corso love him as a human being, loved

(02:22:33):
be I mean, think about it. People have come and
gone a thousand times and Lee's still there and he
deserves his flowers. That whole damn broadcast should be about him,
and it is going to be. It'll be all hard
for all of us and anybody that knows him or
watched him to keep a to keep the emotions on
her check. I can't imagine what it's going to be
like for him, but I think this is awesome and
I'm glad they're going to do one more so you

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get to say, you know, when I say goodbye, he's
not going He's going home to relax and.

Speaker 5 (02:22:59):
What are life.

Speaker 7 (02:23:00):
But he deserves this as much as any broadcaster deserves it,
and I can't wait to see the emotion. We'll get
kirk on to talk about it. He may not be
as emotional now, but as they get closer to the
football season, the reality of the game day is now
completely different.

Speaker 5 (02:23:14):
Has to soak in. Yeah, now, I.

Speaker 6 (02:23:16):
Mean it's it's completely an end of an era. I
mean he's every bit of John Madden any other legend
that has ever put on in.

Speaker 5 (02:23:23):
Accords to what they're doing. There's no doubt about it,
no no doubt.

Speaker 6 (02:23:26):
All right, we'll talk about that a little bit more
before we close up shop today. But Dana Brown astros
GM joining us right here Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 7 (02:23:36):
For the Sean Salisbury Show continued grateful to have him
to day. Dana, welcome in. Let me get right into
this early obvious, but still the discrepancy of you know,
scoring a bunch of runs like what fourteen of them
one night, come back one one, the lack of in
between of the extremes. How do we get to that

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or is it just a matter of continuing to play.

Speaker 8 (02:24:02):
Yeah, it's just a matter of continuing to play. I
would say, Look, you know, early on in the season,
I've mentioned this before that the pictures are usually ahead
of the hitters. The timing is usually an issue. I
know we only have a few guys swinging a bat,
but I would feel like, look, these guys are true professionals.
They'll turn it around, and I'm very confident that these

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guys are going to be okay.

Speaker 7 (02:24:29):
Christian Walker, who I love, but is you know, a
rough goal of it early on? You know he's had,
you know, obviously good background and good past as a player,
so you lean on that. But David, does there come
to a point in time or is he just play
through it?

Speaker 5 (02:24:43):
He's a veteran.

Speaker 7 (02:24:44):
We keep playing him because that's why we signed him.
What do you say to a guy or how do
you approach a guy who's laboring hard?

Speaker 5 (02:24:51):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (02:24:53):
Yeah, I would say that he's pressing a little bit,
of course, you know when you when you start to press,
you get a little frustrated. He's with his new teammates
and he's off to a slow start. You know, these
are things that you know, kind of added pressure. But look,
he's a true professional. You know. We signed him to
be the every day first baseman. We're eighteen games in,

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we have one hundred and forty four to go. It's
a long season. It's a marathon, not a sprint. And look,
we feel like Christian Walker is going to be pretty
good for us. And look, he's he's that kind of
guy that's going to hit you that, you know, like
I said before, twenty five home runs, eight hundred ops,
and he'll get things turned around. For sure. He's been

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a slow starter over the past few years, but then
he's picked it up. So I think there's going to
be really good things to come.

Speaker 7 (02:25:42):
Yeah, I'm yeah, Dan, I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm a
big not that I'm not managing that. I'm a big believer.
I'm a little bit old school and you've got old
school and the new analytics part of it. We just
had John Smoltz on talking about how analytics scheduled days off.
But in Christian Walker's case, a veteran, are you more
app Dan, I'm talking about you, not the line of
just overall baseball wise. Are you more of a guy

(02:26:05):
more app to let a guy play through the adversity
or let's sit him for a game or two to
get him a different perspective, or is it because of
the experience or if it was a guy that was younger,
Or do you sit on the scheduled day off or
a struggled day off as opposed to, Hey, man, veteran,
play your ass through it.

Speaker 5 (02:26:22):
That's called adversity. We all do it. Where do you
lean on this?

Speaker 8 (02:26:26):
Yeah, I'm actually a proponent of both. I think the
biggest part here is you have to find out you
know where he is mentally, and it's if he's really
really stressing, you probably have to sit him for a
day and just let him take a deep breath. I
don't think he's to the at that point yet, but

(02:26:47):
if he really starts to press too much, then you
may have to sit him for a day, but ultimately
he'll get this thing turned around. You just never know
when you sit a guy that could be the day
that you really get him to turn around, and so
the hits coming bunches. You know, if he can get
a couple hits there and a couple hits there and there,
things will turn around.

Speaker 9 (02:27:08):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:27:08):
Sometimes it's a bloop hit, it's an infill hit. You know,
it's a home run. It's something that gets you going
and gets you to turn the corner.

Speaker 7 (02:27:16):
Data Brown astros GM for his weekly visit just a
day later this week because of travel scheduled. Grateful to
have him on back on at nine thirty next Wednesday.
All right, Dana, when it comes to jord On we go,
he saw the big blast in the two to nothing game.
A couple of games go sits. Yesterday scheduled day off.
So my question to you is what a guy like
that when we're talking about rest and the load management goes.

(02:27:38):
I know it was a scheduled day off, but is
there ever any thought to we need him to speaking
of a guy who hit home runs in bunches, he
hit his second, was there any talk or would there
be any talked to forget the scheduled day off.

Speaker 5 (02:27:49):
Let's let this guy get on a roll.

Speaker 7 (02:27:51):
He's normally a DH I know he played left field
over the weekend. But was there a thought of no,
let's keep him in the lineup, or is a scheduled
day off etched in stone for you guys.

Speaker 8 (02:28:02):
Look, I think it goes with the territory. I think
sometimes what happens is you shit these guys and all
of a sudden they come back in the lineup, and
then you get five really good games in a row,
you know, as opposed to continuing to run them out there.
And you know, sometimes the guys get tired, particularly early
in the season when they're trying to get into baseball shape,

(02:28:23):
because it takes a little time to get into baseball shape,
the timing and all of the other stuff that goes
with the long season. And so sometimes these scheduled days
off will do wonders and work wonders. We'll see how
that plays out over the next few days, but ultimately
these days off can create really positive results in the future.

Speaker 7 (02:28:46):
Dana, are we pass the days? And talking to John
Smoltz as well, who covers it and loves your guys
team and the way you guys go about your business,
are we passed the days? When you come to the ballpark,
you're penciled in one hundred and fifty two games a year.

Speaker 5 (02:28:59):
Are those days over? And if they are, why, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:29:05):
I just think the grind of baseball today. You know,
everybody's throwing hard. You know, everyone's looking for the ads,
the preparation that goes into all of the you know,
hard work. Remember back in the day, the players like
work jobs on the off season, right, it was a
lot different. I mean, guys today are such into their

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craft to work out all of the things that they
do to prepare for a long season. And that's why,
you know, we have to really take a step back.
Let these guys continue to play, let the season unfold.
We're eight and ten, we have a really good team,
and you know, let's just get hot. You know, well

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we'll hover right around five hundred and then when we
get on all cylinders, meaning the back, the defense, the pitching,
the bullpen, all of that, I think we're going to
really make an impact on the America League West. But
I think we we have to continue to remember this
is a marathion, not a sprint. You don't want to

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start sprinting and in the maritime because you're not going
to have anything left at the end. So, uh, you know,
let these guys continue to play, let them continue to
get their timing, you know, and I think good things
are going to happen. I really feel good about this club, Dana.

Speaker 7 (02:30:24):
Jake Myers is playing some pretty good baseball. You know,
the question, you're really elite defender, will he be able
to hit? And some you know say, well, if he's
great at defense, I don't care if he hits one
ninety seven. Well you're getting the best out of Jake
Myers right now. Is this sustainable with him? And is
this what you envisioned for him when you said this
guy can play? Is this the guy you envisioned?

Speaker 8 (02:30:47):
Well? Yeah, so if you get that kind of defense
and you get some offense to go with it, you know,
that's like that's the gravy. And so ultimately we really
project to him, We project him to continue to play. Well,
we're not sure how long he's gonna you know, hit
the ball as well as he's hitting it now, but

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right now he's off to a good starter. If he
could sustain that, that's going to put him into another
category of player, like middle of the field, elite defender.
Now the bat comes and that turns into a different
caliber of a player. So you know, our main goal
with him is you know, defense first, and you know,
whatever he gives you with the bat, that's you know,

(02:31:29):
pretty special. If you continue to swing the bat the
way he's swinging it now, that's going to be a
real gift to the team. So, uh, we do expect him,
you know, to have quality at bats and do some
good things with the bat. But what he's doing right
now is it potentially to put him into another category.

Speaker 7 (02:31:45):
Dan, are you concerned about the well inability whether it's
holding them or throwing them out the way people are
running on your team right now and basically it feels
like a free base from our standpoint.

Speaker 5 (02:31:58):
Can that get fixed during season? And what's the remedy?

Speaker 8 (02:32:02):
Yeah, I can get fixed. We actually had conversations about
this that guys are pretty aggressive on us right now.
We have Diez behind the plate who as it can,
and so we talked about like, look, let's you know,
pay attention to the runner a little bit more, give
them different looks, hold them a little bit longer. Although
holding a little longer it's a little tricky because of
the pitch clock and so you don't get to really

(02:32:23):
hold them. I remember back in the day you know,
a few years back, before the pitch clock, you know,
you used to be able to hold the runners, and
I used to hate it as a player because it
would take the spring out of your legs. So sometimes
you hold the runner and you wait a few seconds
and make him guess when you're going to go to
the plate. That puts on the freeze a little bit.
And so I think we we have to get better

(02:32:43):
at that. We had really extended conversations about it. I
think you will see the club as in that respect,
you know. So we've talked to the pitchers, we've talked
to the coaches, and you know, we'll we'll get that
fixed in the course of the season. And this is
this is what baseball is all about. One hundred and
sixty two games when you're you know, down in this

(02:33:04):
area or down in that area. Let's work on getting
that fixed. So you know, we could be you know,
in a position to win more ball games and sustain
the winning.

Speaker 5 (02:33:13):
Just eighteen games in.

Speaker 7 (02:33:14):
But is there something that's a major concern to you
right now or is this eighteen game typical for the
most part of start that there's concerns but not panic.

Speaker 8 (02:33:24):
Yeah, I mean, look what it is is. You know, guys,
you know when you pitch, you're you're thinking about the hitter,
getting getting ahead, drowing. It's so focused on the hitter,
it's like you lose track of that base runner. It's
early in the season, guys are start, you know, you
want to get off to a good start. Our pitching
has been pretty good, and so we just have to

(02:33:45):
re focus and say, look, we have base runners out there.
We have to hold them, we have to give them
different looks, we have to throw over and you know,
it's a it's a matter of having the conversation, implementing
a plan, and getting it done. So I see the
same thing that our fans are seeing. We've had conversations
about about it, and you know, we're going to definitely

(02:34:07):
address it.

Speaker 7 (02:34:08):
Dana Brown for a couple more minutes here on Sports
Talk seven ninety for his weekly visit. Is there a
timetable on when we should anticipate Lance mccullors starting a
game for the major league team?

Speaker 8 (02:34:22):
Yeah, so he's going to pitch, you know again this weekend.
He's going to go up the five innings, seventy five
to eighty pitches. You know, there's an outside chance he
could join us in the Kansas City series, and so
you know we're aiming for that, but you know, it's
one day at a time. He's been doing very well.
He's been you know, up to ninety four, he's been

(02:34:44):
bouncing back, no issues, no pain or anything, and so
we've been very very happy with his progress. And look,
it would be really nice to see him take till
the rubber in Kansas City. I mean, that's what we're projecting.
You know, we have a target of the of the

(02:35:06):
case series and hopefully that happens. But if it doesn't
happen there, he probably won't be too far behind. But
he's been doing well and bouncing back very well.

Speaker 7 (02:35:15):
And you do see him when he comes back immediately
thrust into a starting role, which as it currently stands,
which would probably mean Gusto goes back to the bullpen.

Speaker 8 (02:35:23):
Correct, Yeah, I see him in the starter's row. You know, look,
at the end of the day, we were we want
to get him back on the mound, but we do
see him as a starter row. That's why we're building
him up, you know, to start, and so it's not
he's not one of those guys that we think has
to come back in the pen and throw a couple
of innings and and kind of get his you know,

(02:35:45):
competitive nature back. He's a veteran arm He's doing very
well in his rehab. He's up to five innings and
so ultimately we see him coming back as a starter.

Speaker 5 (02:35:56):
All right, I'll finish you with this.

Speaker 7 (02:35:58):
John Smoltz, it's said I asked him about, you know,
Fromber and Hunter Brown, and he loves them both. But
I was mentioned about the trust in Hunter Brown this
early in infancy of his career, and John one hundred
percent wholly believes that he has a single elimination game
for a World series or a playoff game one hundred
percent to trust Hunter Brown that he's that guy.

Speaker 5 (02:36:21):
Agree or disagree, Well, look, I trust both guys.

Speaker 8 (02:36:25):
Uh. You know, Framber has been our number one. He's
pitched in huge games for the Astros YEP all throughout it,
throughout his entire career. So you know, look, I'm just
happy that we have both of those guys at the
top of our rotation. You know, Framber will have a
good one hair and Neil you know'll have an adding
where it's not as good. And so we got to

(02:36:46):
get him locked down to throw more consistent. You know,
Brown has been outstanding and very good this year, and
so I mean I could see why she mostly would
say that. You know, I mean, I'm not going to
debate a Hall of Famer, but I say I like
both guys. Both guys are really good. Happy with both
guys at the top of the rotation. And you know,

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we had one game tomorrow, it wouldn't be my decision
on who's growing. I would take either guy, but make
no mistake, both guys are really.

Speaker 7 (02:37:15):
Good and data no, John degrees one hundred percent with you.
Because we were talking about fromber and you know, the
little bit of the emotional mental that gets in the
way a little bit. He said, I freaking love him
because he's so efficient and he doesn't have to overwork
his to throw strikes and get people out. Oh, he
loves him. And then I brought up Hunter Brown. He
kind of laughs at well, it's from my home town,
and yeah, I like that guy too, And he was

(02:37:36):
talking about that you could trust both, but he thinks
that Hunter Brown's got a phenomenal future, and the future
maybe sooner than we think because he's so good now.
So he's not disagreeing there would be no debate. The
debate is you love him both and so does he.
So as I m this a big series coming up
at home this weekend, A good way to get started
at home and getting this thing rolling against these Padres.

Speaker 5 (02:37:55):
Huh.

Speaker 8 (02:37:57):
Absolutely, we need the offense to really turn the corner. Uh.
We're coming back home to our ballpark. You know, our
guys have been swinging the bat a little bit better
at home, and so we're looking for some offense. We
are really looking for some offense from our guys.

Speaker 5 (02:38:12):
And so how what a.

Speaker 8 (02:38:13):
Beautiful time to turn the corner. It gets a good
club like San Diego and so this is this is
where we need to really turn up the dial. So
hopefully we'll be ready to go.

Speaker 5 (02:38:23):
Astro fans, Dana, we appreciate it, thanks for I know
we had we moved it, but we appreciate you doing
that for us, and we'll look forward to uh next
Wednesday a nine thirty and have a great weekend against
the Padresma man, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 8 (02:38:36):
I appreciate you guys being flexible.

Speaker 7 (02:38:38):
Thank you, no problem always, that's great, Dane Bron We'll
come back and close it out with discussion a lot
of Astros talk. I think the common theme is got
to hit, got to hit better into clutch situations, and
hopefully that will change.

Speaker 5 (02:38:51):
Coming right back, this is.

Speaker 2 (02:38:54):
The Sean Salisbury Show. Salsbury, that's beautiful.

Speaker 6 (02:39:00):
You already see the back of the baseball card lines
and everything of people reacting to the tweets from his
visit with us.

Speaker 5 (02:39:07):
I did say one thing about the back of the
baseball card. He did not. He did not.

Speaker 6 (02:39:10):
He has definitely gone away from that. But just I mean,
you know, talking about the numerous things Christian Walker just
trying to get him working through. And that's the thing is.
I mean, we saw it in the very first series
of this season. He had some hard hit balls and
some of them did fall to the ground. But I
mean that part of it was good. That started to
taper off just a little bit. But I liked his

(02:39:32):
reasoning though, for hey, you keep this guy in the
lineup and maybe he gets a broken bat single, Like
how many of those? Did we see the last series
against the Cardinals where it was like they just kind
of put the bat on the ball and it just
dunked in in the outfield and you're just like, damn man,
Like how does that happen, but something like that just
to kind of get you going again.

Speaker 7 (02:39:50):
Oh, there's no question, And sometimes that's what it takes.
The truth is, let's just get back to the brass
tacks man. Just start raking and giving your pitcher some
leeway so you're not taxing their ass in a two
to one game on a regular basis or a seven
to one game, or afford to where those guys you're
putting pressure and then guy goes or a picture on

(02:40:11):
the day the pitcher struggling at least that's day. Maybe
that you that you got a rake right, Hey, it
just it It comes to a point. And the pitching
staff for the last couple of years has been whether
it's bullpen or starters or both, have been pretty damn good.
It's incumbent upon the hitting the new guys and Christian
walkers and and you know Cam Smith's and to Jake

(02:40:32):
Mired listen, it's a good thing if Jake stays somewhere,
hovers around there, and the rest of the guys picked
this up, and then you're then you're like, what a
blessing this guy's hitting above two sixty. You'll be you
beg for that and then play good defense. So yeah,
you know, it just comes down and we can talk
about all the little stuff that goes to it. The
bottom line is be selective at the plate, start driving
the baseball, and play smart and get people on base.

(02:40:55):
And the big bopper's got to drive him in Yiner
and Jordan and pain you a little more long ball.

Speaker 5 (02:41:01):
They just got that. Listen.

Speaker 7 (02:41:02):
The first six guys got to start hitting like they're
a World Series team.

Speaker 5 (02:41:06):
They just do.

Speaker 6 (02:41:08):
Yeah, I mean, he's kind of the face of it
right now, but it is frustrating to kind of, you know,
hear some of the other eighteen games.

Speaker 7 (02:41:14):
I know, I hate the phrase it's early because I'm
going to do it's a game to game judge now,
of course. Yeah, But should the Dodgers be panicking that
the Padres are.

Speaker 5 (02:41:22):
In first place? No, I would think not not yet.

Speaker 7 (02:41:26):
There you go, And so as a little perspective, maybe
the Dodgers won't win one hundred and fifteen games this year,
but hey, we got the best team in baseball right now.

Speaker 5 (02:41:34):
Come and to visit.

Speaker 7 (02:41:35):
It's a good time to get healthy because if they
walk out of here and you win this series in Rake,
that can't do anything but help you say. Okay, now
we just hammered a team that right now beats anybody
they play, so this will be a good one. It's
a good time to get started against a hell of
a baseball club at home this weekend, no.

Speaker 5 (02:41:52):
Doubt about it.

Speaker 6 (02:41:53):
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