Astros Sweep Blue Jays, Rockets Even Series Against The Warriors, Special Guests Michael Button & Eric Edholm Joins!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Saulsbury.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh very Salisbury house did okay, let's do this Sewn Salisbury.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
To usc true longtime friend Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dan Matthew, excuse, this is the Sean Salisbury show.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Jalen one on one against Kevan Looting takes a step back,
twenty five footer.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
Up and HiT's what a difference one game makes.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Back up to an eighteen point lead at forty seven,
twenty nine Shane Gun three point line.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
Right cross court, left side.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Jalen baseline three up and in a triple for Chandler
to start the third that is his fourth. It's a
seventeen point lead. In sixty three forty six. Friend right side,
Jabari Pump bakeson of three and they'll launch the three
and he'll hit it wow, right in front of Buddy Heel.
A tick time triple off the hands of number ten.

(01:02):
Rockets up eighty two to sixty eight. Rockets are flying suppression.
There is a steal. Jalen Green's got it. One man
debating Jamie down right hand Oberghee Santos and just like that,
five quick rocket points, defense matters, fast break and the
Green flush.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
And there's a steal for Fred Van Biliana passinger for heel,
giving it right now to Jalen Green.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
Left Tannler up off the backboard and end on a
three on one break.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
Basket for the Rockets.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Jaylen with his second field goal of the quarter, thirty
five for the game and a Golden State timeouts lock
down to four three two, And ladies and gentlemen inside
Tota Center, we have a playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Rockets win.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Final score Houston one oh nine and Golden State ninety four.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
How about it last night Rockets one o nine, Warriors
ninety four. Series now even at one, Game three coming
up on Saturday in the Bay Area. And with that
we say away we go, and good morning here on
the Sean Salisbury Show. Sean, I'm sure probably a little
bit of cobwebs for people out there this morning. I mean,

(02:23):
you know, sleepish.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
Cobweb the nuts, you know. No tripley right out of
the shoot.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Now, just to be fair that that was not a
I don't think that that was directly at me. I
think it was kind of just off of what I said. Yeah,
oh yeah, No, it wasn't directed at you. Yeah, you
were just simply you.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
You were simply the avenue to get to where it
was supposed to be headed out there to anybody, cobweb, cobweb,
these nuts. I caught a slight straight right, not a
full on straight, just like it just grazed your ear.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Yeah, now good grays your Well, there's only one guy.
You can graze your ear and you can survive it. Okay,
it can't be. It can't be. It can't be two
if you did it grazed by w But yeah, cobwebs,
why because it took so long.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
To get to game?

Speaker 7 (03:06):
Do?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I mean?

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Well was that? But you know, just also I mean
for the early risers out there. I mean there are
people who, no matter what time they go to bed,
they say to themselves, I've got to get up at
I don't know, five am and get that run in or.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
See I see that tough guy put off sleep. You
get up at five, well I'm gonna go topper on you.
I get up at three thirty, Well I get up
at ten thirty.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, I'm a man's man. It's like one of the
salespeople out there. I've got a thing coming up on
Saturday over at Cactus Cove. And they were like, you know, hey,
is that too early? For you to wake up. I said,
it's a ten o'clock show, right, They said, yeah, go dude,
that's four more hours than I get to sleep, Like
that's sleeping in. Yeah, but I wake up sometimes. You'll
get up like three thirty of the week.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
It's because I'm at the point now where I don't
use the alarms, just the bone in case. Sure, sure,
and the you know, you get up at three thirty
and then all of a sudden, you wake up at
three thirty on a Saturday morning.

Speaker 8 (03:59):
You like, oh, that's why I don't have to get
out of bed.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Right, So you try to fall back sleep, and you do,
and you get up at like seven or seventh three.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
You're like, oh my gosh. And people like, what time
do you get up on the weekends. I said, well,
I'm up usually. The truth is I'm up about five thirty.
Start staring at the ceiling, and you know, turn on
the TV early and get your early stuff in. But
when they say five, what are you doing? I said,
well that's still you got to understand my time clock.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Now.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Would I love to sleep till ten like we did
in college? Well, yeah, my body just not built for
it anymore. But I said, dude, you got to understand,
and I'll ask them, what do you think sleeping in
is for you?

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Oh? Man, if I get two more hours extra sleep,
we're outlets of the time you wake up. I said, well,
there you have it.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
Even though my two hours extra sleep, wake wake you
make at five thirty, I feel like, okay, cool, I'm up.
And sometimes when you do that and then you go
back to Bedford charge, you're a little more sluggish because
you're not used to you know, you're.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
On that boom boom boom boom because you've already done
the fight or flight. You've already woken up exactly right,
your body's awake and all that.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
Ten o'clock, dude, that's a country club. I've I've got
my day's half over work day. When when we hit
ten o'clock one, I say that, I'm like, we're getting
up to do radio. I'm not getting up to go
put a roof on your house or you know. Those
are for the guys who actually do work harder than
we do. It's the hardest part of the gig is

(05:18):
the preparation and waking up early consistently. So once you
get that down, the rest is easy.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Well, it's like, you know, you see the cops out
on the road too early in the morning. Like I
did have one once who did recognize my car because
of funny enough, the pumper stickers segment, and he know,
he he didn't do the sirens, he didn't do the horn.
He did kind of like whatever the cop you know,
like the you know, yeah, you're going too fast in
the zone, right, so you know, he he pulled up

(05:44):
next to me at the light and did that, and
I looked over and I was like, you know, what
do I have, like a flat or something like that.
I rolled down the window. He goes, love the show
Man listen every morning, and I was like, thanks, man,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
That's a great thing. Yeah, I like that when you
do when they stop you for that. Yeah, and just
say make sure that if you ever do have to
stop me, remember you listened in the morning.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Tell me some slack. I don't want to relate the work. Yeah, yeah,
I like it. Yeah. If that, if that that actually
had happened to me once in my in my previous
part of the career, is that it did happen, and
he realized the name and he goes, oh, you're gonna
be late to the shell. I was like, I mean, kinda,
he goes watch the speed. I was like, thanks, buddy, I.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Appreciate that membership has its privileges sometimes and you won't
give them back if you can't.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
No, no, I do not abuse the privilege that is.
That is for sure.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
But you think about last night, Jalen Green, and finish
your high your highlights if you need to my bad.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Well, no, you're good, You're good. I mean yeah, I
mean the Astros sweep the Blue Jays three to one,
and then of course the NFL Draft coming up tonight.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
Text busy week, HUHL kind of got the here's the
NFL draft thing and it's like, well, the NFL drafts here,
and well, rightfully, so we're talking Astros and mainly Rockets
right now. Is with the draft here? I mean, you
know somebody, there's gonna be a couple guys on this team.
We're gonna have to change the face of the team.
Or what I said is continue the course of there

(07:02):
on and get better. They're looking on a couple of
these guys and make a difference this year. So it's here.
Maybe it's because they're the twenty fifth pick. There's not
the second third pick excitement yet.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Maybe yet.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
I'd say stay tuned because I don't think you're I
wouldn't say you're over the comfort. If you go and say, oh,
they don't pick till the twenty fifth pick, you might
miss their pick because there may be a chance they
move up to get somebody, depending on if it's the
guy they love it right, the rockets of the story.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
And you asked Jalen Green.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
We did ask him to come back and prove that
he was not overwhelmed from game one. Now, game one
he was, but it wasn't going to carry over. And
I'll be damn dude, he was. He was as good
as you'll see in a postseason game.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
It's as simple as this. He scores, this team wins,
and he proved that last night.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Well it was on shen Gun had a good game.
But what seventeen or something? I mean, yeah, I mean
when I say a good game, I'm talking about to
keep him honest, right, right, which is he's a double
double machine, right.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
I mean, it's pretty much he takes the flour. He's
a double no doubt.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
You didn't need Van Vliet to do He was intense,
but forty two minutes I find out a mistake. I
know he was forty plus last night. Yeah, so he
I mean his his uh, just the grind. And then
Jalen Green proved that hey, we need to go to
go take care, go take care of your business. And
then there was all the bullying and fighting. And I'm
going to just tell you now, I still don't get Sean.

(08:18):
You shouldn't wish for that. I maybe I do wish
for it, and I'm not apologizing for it.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
I would.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Just my person I'll just speak for me, whether whether
you win or lose, I'm just telling you my personality.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
I'd have fought that guy already in the league.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I'm actually shocked. I don't care where he's from or
you know, well, he's from a certain part of I
think Michigan or Detroit where I understand he might have
grown up with hard times and now he's a progue
his hard times financials are taking care of now. So
I'm worried about that he's dusty wrong, that that's exactly right.
So you get to a point now where it's like, dude,
I don't care. There's plenty of people who grew up

(08:54):
in hard times and playing their way out of a
different way. That's exactly right, whatever it might be. And
there's always just like UFC or boxing, there's always somebody tougher.
But it's to the point now, whether you think you're
getting your ass kicked or not by him. If you're
your enforcer, your Rick Mahorn, your Rashid Wallace when he played,
I don't care, Bill Lamber, I don't care who it is.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
At some point in time, somebody's gonna s.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Like a pitcher is gonna you know, it's in the
third inning and your guy get hit again after the
guy in front of him homeward, and so you plucked
the cleanup hitter. And now I mean they pluck you,
and then you your pictures in the dugout, and he's thinking, man,
I struck out the side in the first inning and
got one, two, three in a second, But this is
the third time in two games they've hit him. This

(09:40):
is in an accident, and you don't go out there.
And even if they bench were and you you don't
hit him in his ribcage, then you're gonna lose a
lot of respect from your teams. You got to risk, man,
do I risk get now what happens if the bullpen
is and all we lose game. Sometimes you got to
take the chance because it's far more important for long
term respect to let it rip and on a rib cage,

(10:01):
on a guy who keeps plucking your guy enough, you've
got to send the message back into find even though
you may get run because they the bottom line, if
the umpire has already worn one bench, I mean he
has already warned you guys before you get your chance,
like old school. Now they do it now. At old school,
they were going to give you your chance to retaliate.
Just don't head hunt. Other than that you hit him
in the ribcage and I don't care, but you got
to protect your play. Same thing here. There finally comes

(10:23):
a point in time when you say, you know what
you may you may lose me for half a game
or the next game.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Suspension.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
I've had it, and I know that may be an
irresponsible when you're trying to win a game, But there
comes a point in time when the bully needs his
ass kicked. And I respect Draymond Green's game. Listen, he's
not the same talent he was, but the guy's good.
He can he's done it all in basketball. He's been
a hell of a player he has, and he's put
up Hall of Fame career. That being said, he's not

(10:49):
that guy anymore. But and it's crazy. He's a guy
had won on my team. But I'd still think that
you got to realize what you're getting with him. He's
a guy you dislike when he's on the other team,
but you you rally around hi when he's on your team,
even though you still want to fight him at times
even on your team.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
One of those guys, right.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah, And I think every team, maybe not to the
blatant stuff of Jalen Green, I mean of Draymond Green,
but they do need that guy who we're not taking
any crap guy, right, I think every team needs one. Well,
I at this dude, I just know my personality. I
wouldn't you get to a point because it happened in
high school and then well that's a long time ago.

(11:26):
I just know my personality. It's one of those I'll
beg forgiveness rather than ask permission. It's to the point
with him now, they're probably they're more responsible than I'd
probably be.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
On the court.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
I'm somebody's gonna come along, and I'm gonna tell you
right now. I don't know we shouldn't be afraid of
Draymond Green. I don't know why somebody hasn't just turned
around and said, you know what today not today. I
am going I grew up in the neighborhood. You grew up,
and I'm kicking your ass. Yeah, you know, you know
the one two plus there's a pillow fight in NBA
box and fights anyway. They couldn't fight their way out
of wet paperback. So square up and don't wait for

(11:59):
the push it and shove and get one straight right
in and land it and watch them. Then everybody else
will be grabbing in the ankles and the rest of it.
I'm telling you. But then you've got to make sure
be careful for the next two years because you'll be
going up for a layup and he'll do something that
that's but I'm telling you right now, somebody's got to
step up and fight his ass.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
At the same time though too. I mean again, you know,
not advocating for it, you know, as you laid out,
But man, I think you do that, then it's kind
of a oh I don't try that guy. I don't.
I don't. I don't try that guy, because I know
what happens.

Speaker 6 (12:30):
You mean, if you're Draymond's Yeah, absolutely there is now
I get they try to ignore it and you're not
playing it. You know the antagonist that you respond to
the antagonist and he feels like he's got you. But
there comes a point I never responded to. Your ticket
is antagonistic stuff, dude. I'm just gonna knock you the
hell out. Okay, if you want to go, let's go.
What's the worst gonna happen. You're gonna bloody my nose

(12:52):
or you're gonna knock a tooth on fight, So so
what You're not gonna kill me out here?

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (12:57):
But if things work out right and properly, I'm will
make you know that every time you come in here
that you're not the only one who gets to do this.
And I just when I watch I'm watching a great
game Jaen Green. The thing I could go to. You
know what, at some point in time when he does
this grabbing guys around the next somebody's gonna wheel on him.
And I'm telling you they are gonna knock him the
hell out. But when you don't got any more years

(13:18):
to do it. And like I said, Sean, that's violent.
Well you know what, I played a violent sport. So
it's the point I've had it with his with with
him do, I've absolutely had it.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
He needs his ass handed to him. Remember when Robert
Parrish finally went at Lambier. I do, And I mean,
you know it's a dated reference for some but I
remember there was like some sort of documentary. It might
have been like a thirty for thirty and they had
mchaleon and afterwards, Michale's kind of laughing and he's like,
Lambier had it coming, and then he stops and kind
of composes himself and goes, he had it coming.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
Yeah, it's it's And Lambier's a lot like you know,
grinder tough, but also gets his little cheap shots in.
And they eventually came at him. And I think Lamber
probably expected it even earlier. You know, they get it.
He got into with damn near felt like everybody.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Bird throwing basketballs at sure, so it gets to bird
throw a punch finally, that's exactly right.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
So you do get to a point. So with Draymond,
I know that's his game and that's why he's trying
to do it. The refs don't seem to do anything
about it. The NBA gives it, cuts him some slack.
So at some point in time, it's going to take
that guy who's just a tadbit that you know that
now is the rising tough guy.

Speaker 8 (14:26):
Did you see?

Speaker 5 (14:27):
It's just and even if you're not, you gained a
lot of respect to saying nothing. You know what.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
I've had it with him and I have and respect
his game, but I'm not You shouldn't be afraid to
fight him. Is his best fighting years behind him. He
needs unloaded on just to send a message And I
know that sounds horrible, but I don't care.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
I've had it. But Jalen Green the story last night, man, well,
and you know something else you brought up there, I
think is something we can continue to talk about because
there is another factor in all of this, and we'll
discuss that. Jason ce right there if you want to
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Speaker 5 (16:56):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show. Sean, another part of
it is he's being enabled. He's one hundred percent being enabled.
I mean, we saw this a couple of weeks ago
when they took on each other in the Bay Area,
and you know, he did the whole I don't think
he threw Shingou into the ground, but knocked him to
the ground, and he gets the technical there and then

(17:17):
he continues to jaw. Then he continues to jaw even more,
where you're just like, just give the guy a double
tech and send him on his way. Like there's so
many different times that they could nip this thing in
the bud and just say, hey, we're not even gonna
allow it to get to this point. You're gonna continue
to play this way. You've been suspended. We've tried to
send the message that way. Clearly you haven't learned it,

(17:37):
So now we're gonna learn it for you.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
There's absolutely no doubt. But the problem is, at this
stage of his career, when are they gonna quit, When
are they gonna quit enabling him?

Speaker 5 (17:50):
It's a fair point in the bud. Couldn't you have
done that a long time ago?

Speaker 6 (17:53):
And they think, so, yeah, I know, suspension money and
all the things he's been hit with. But Draymond Green
gets a lot of hall pass and they give him
a lot of latitude on the court. And I don't
know if it's a regular that the fact that the
referees or the NBA are afraid of him because he's
out spoken, or I don't I don't.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Know what it is.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
But he gets he gets more rope than you could
ever imagine. Now, he'll he'll he'll put himself in a
bad position with it because a lot of his stuff
self inflicted. But he goes into games, I think with
the simple message of I'm going to do this. I'm
going to push the envelope and see if they're going
to do anything about it.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
There were parts of that game I watched last night,
and I try not to be a blame the res guy,
I really do, but the flagrant one on Jalen Green
where you're just like that, and that's that's right after
they ruled that the van vleet his leg was too high,
which I've never heard of that, so the three point
foul was wiped off off post. And I mean, it's

(18:47):
just I'm watching this and I'm like, you wonder why
this league has such a viewership problem, Like you wonder
why this league has so many people who just look
at it and say I hate this league, like I
can't watch this yeah, among other reasons. And it was
things like that that I'm just like, like, why are
we even playing this game when it clearly it might
not be this way, But it seems like, boy, the

(19:09):
the NBA is really rooting hard for the Warriors to
win this thing. Oh, I don't.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
I think that's pretty obvious, don't you. Regardless of what
you see on the court. The last thing that this
league wants is Oklahoma City playing Cleveland in the NBA Finals.
Not because they're not good, because I'm telling I don't
know how you beat. I mean, the Thunder are really
frigging good, man, right, They're really damn good. And Cleveland's

(19:34):
had a I know they weren't on your Bengal card
going into the season, as us talking about them being
the most dominant team in the East and twenty three
not playing for them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I mean, you didn't see it common right, right? You
think you think they set up.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
There in New York City and say, you know what, man,
I'd love Oklahoma City Thunder Cleveland game. No, they want
Boston and Golden State. They want Boston in the Lakers
hell they don't even want Nicoley. She's been the best
player in the league or three times and probably this
year too. But Shay Gilgess Alexander had a monster year.
So either one can win it the MVP. But they
don't want them. They want and I or the New

(20:11):
York Knicks. They'd love that.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
They don't want. They they didn't want.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
They're just like, even though you can't stand the Draymond
Green stuff, the NBA loves it when it's on TV.
Why it brings more eyes and ears to the game
man to it just does and as much as it
drives you crazy, like, oh gosh, he's doing it again,
I can't wait because every show is going to see
it tomorrow. That's the human nature.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
So talking heads this morning, they're gonna be talking about it.
Of course they are. Stephen A will be yelling about
it because it's Golden State and he Ston.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
I'm gonna tell you what if that would have happened
against the Lakers, you there would be no they'd have
the only reason they wouldn't cover that wall to wall
twenty hours a day is because of the NFL Draft
and the ESPN's at the NFL Draft doing what they
do every year. Sure in Green Bay. Yeah, this year
obviously in Green Bay. So and good on green Bay
to get this draft. Good for them. It's a great
sports a great football town. So my point being is, uh,

(21:05):
it's like the guy at practice, the practice player who's
a rookie and he's flying around knocking the hell out
of people, and coach keeps saying, you can't do that
here in the pros.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
We don't have enough practice time.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
You can't hit our own players, and out in front
of the players to send a message like we got
to practice smart. And then they go in their meeting
room and watch tape and the head coach is sitting
there saying, oh, my gosh.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
I love this guy. Don't do that.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
Then they're smirking behind saying, oh, we got a guy
that's going to knock anything out that moves right. Same
thing here, Oh, Draymond, not again, not again. Oh he
gave us about three or four different highlights that they'll
be able to show tomorrow. And it's of course, I
don't care what they say. They don't want Oklahoma City
and Cleveland playing in the finals. Oklahoma City does Cleveland
does good? You just want to see good basketball. But

(21:51):
they that'll be something you'll say, well you got you
got two great teams and the two great seasons this year. Yeah,
but they feel like a Golden State Warriors team and
it will pull more weight. So they're not just about
the best basketball and they're not about keeping the game
the way they want to because Draymond Green doesn't play
the game the way it's supposed to be played at times,

(22:13):
and he knows it hell of a talent, hell of
a player, and a hell of an agitator and overboard
at times that somebody needs to eventually get physical with
him the right way.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
And that's you know, do you want to throw down?
Let's go, man, I'm already seeing it right now. If
the Rockets went on Saturday Night Game three, the glass
will be broken on either Scott Foster or Tony Brothers
for Game four like that. That will sure as you're born,
that is happening. So yeah, I mean, look, you're up
against long odds here in this series, even though you

(22:45):
are the top seed and you are the better team.
I mean, people were picking against you all those different things.
So the Rocket's got to try to battle through all
of that. I wonder how many sisters. Tony Brothers has
interesting you know. I his wife one of those things
that I really you did. Yeah, she used to do
some radio work with us in Atlanta and I met him,
And you know, the funny thing is I met him.

(23:07):
You know, great guy doesn't mean he does hilarious. Yeah,
I would imagine Angel Hernandez off the off the baseball
dams pro. Supposedly that's why he kept staying around because
they're like, you know, honestly, he's actually a really good guy.
I'm sure he's a great guy. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
There's a lot of guys that I look at and say, man,
a guy can't play a liquor he's great, or can't
referee a game out of the wet paperbag. But then
you go have a beer with you you say, you
know what, guy's a good guy.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
What did Alec Baldwin say in Glengarry Glenn We go
into one? Are you your movie references? Either?

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Guy, go home and play with your kids? There you go,
there you go. So, Tony Brothers, do you think he
has sisters?

Speaker 7 (23:44):
Though?

Speaker 5 (23:45):
Sure he does, he's your Sure he does. Yeah, maybe
next time I see him, because yeah, I've run into
him once since in an NBA Hallway, and I'm like,
how's the tennis game? Because his wife was a big
tennis player, right, so.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
So let me ask his wife was played tennis, but
she still plays.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
But just cancelor. Do you ever go to say what's up? Brother? No,
you don't. That kind of would was up if he
was your friend. Yeah, it's very much, it's very much, Tony. Hey,
what's going on? Hey, what's up? T bro. I don't
think we're there yet.

Speaker 8 (24:19):
You haven't.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
You guys aren't tired enough.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
Now, you know moms though, you know moms, you might
be if you know the wife, you know, get you
a little closer to the husband, Yeah, Tony brothers.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, the wife likes you than everybody likes you. Yeah. Well,
well at least they'll all tolerate us. Yes, there you go,
you get more latitude, you get what's it, bandwidth? There
you go, you're bandwidth. You are a huge bandwidth.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
And you are one hundred correct about what maybe heaped
upon us. If that happens, that was an impressive win
load last night. Can't go down to well, we said
it many times, and they they realized the urgency of
the moment, and they capitalized last night and Jalen Green
looked like a star for sure.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
For sure, Jason Al promise you were Gonn get to
you here and also continue the Rockets conversation you mentioned
Jalen Green. I mean the numbers back it up. How
huge this guy is for this team. We'll continue the
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Speaker 5 (25:57):
The Sean Salisbury Show continued Jason, good morning, appreciate your patience.
How you doing.

Speaker 10 (26:04):
I'm doing great this morning. Fellaws has always loved the show. Hey, look,
you know, I don't ever call in and talk about
a player that's not on our team. But the Draymond
Green issue, it's just ridiculous, and it stems from the
commissioner basically having no nuts. And he clearly has said

(26:30):
that Draymond is a good thing for the league because
he is one of their podcast superstars and that you know,
he does good things for the league by talking about
the league on the podcast. But I specifically remember him
talking bad about the league and the commissioner, and the

(26:52):
commissioner basically saying that you know, well he's Draymond. It's
just Draymond. Well that's the problem. It's just and you know,
I commend the Rockets because the Rockets they're they're a young,
physical team and they're not taking the bs that you
know comes from other teams, you know, and I love

(27:13):
every time when I'm listening to the game on seven
ninety about you know, he brings up, well, you know,
one of the guys that I can't think of his
name right off him. But he's he says, well, I'd
like to see him pull that on Steven Adams, you know,
because honestly, if if Draymond does something like that to
Steven Adams, Steven Adams is gonna put him.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
On the floor.

Speaker 10 (27:34):
You know, Steven Adams is not a guy that you
really want to mess with. And the problem is you
never see Draymond Garden Steven Adams or Steven Adams Garden Draymond.
But you know what, I love this Rockets team. I
love what they're doing. They're playing physical basketball. And Steve
Curry last night just whining at the press conference about well,

(27:55):
you know that he's got kids and he should you know.
You know what, Steve Kerr was the guy that used
to stand behind behind Michael Jordan and the rest of
the Bulls team whenever they was getting pounded by Detroit
back in the day. He didn't do nothing either, And
to sit there and say, you know something like that,
you know, it's just ridiculous, you know, cry to somebody else.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
You know what.

Speaker 10 (28:17):
The Rockets won the game last night, you know, unfortunate
they lost Butler and people are gonna say, well, Butler
wasn't on the court, but you know, the hell with that.
We take the win where we can get it, and
it is what it is.

Speaker 5 (28:28):
Move on and and you know.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
What I loved last night when they was chanting at
about Draymond because he's dirty and he just it's to
the point to where somebody's you know, somebody's got to
put him down or put him in his place, one
or the two, because it's just get ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Yeah, no, I got you appreciate it, Jason. I mean
what he saw, Hell, I'll call He's right, there's there's
not much he missed there about the f huge Raymond
chants that were happening. Yeah, which I texted Josh C
when it was happening, the network producer for Rockets Astros Schemes,
and I was like, you know, it's kind of impressive
that that caught on because you almost kind of feel like,
you know, there's kids there, there's all this, but like

(29:07):
you know, it's like, hey, do I join in or
do I not? Clearly thousands of people said all right,
we're joining in, We're doing this.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Yeah, and they got after him. He I know that
there's time to say, well, we don't want to do that,
but he sure warrants it, doesn't he. I mean, if
you're gonna do it against anybody, that guy is one
of the all time people to do it against when
it comes to Draymark.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
And then are we tired yet of Steve Kerr being sanctimonious?
Are we tired? That was my next point when when
when a caller was making the point, Listen, anytime I
can get Steve kurta wine, which is all the time,
I'm okay with it. Now Listen. I respect to Steve Kurz,
had a hell of a career. He got punched in

(29:47):
the face by Michael Jordan gone.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
On a practice court. Yeah, and I'm sure there's others
that would like to do the same.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
He is sanctimonious, and he's self righteous, and he's uh,
he's got an opinion. I respect that, but he's gonna
make sure you know it. And it's always going to
be opposition opinion unless it's Popovich or someone that thinks
that you know, Gavin Newsome that things like he does,
he weaves him in and that that's fine. Who who doesn't?
But he is a he's and I respect his career.

(30:13):
He's going into the Hall of Fame as a coach,
he will be a Hall of Famer. And he's damn good.
But yeah, he's a guy that I've never ever wants
when he gets beat, feel sorry for him, you know, like, oh, man,
that's tough loss. I don't care. Yeah, I might be
a good guy, but and he is. I've heard people
talk about it. I've met him before. It nice enough guy.

(30:35):
I'm just talking about simply the way he handles it.
And maybe it's because I disagree with a lot of
the things he says. I respect his opinion to say
it and and his and his right to say it. Sure,
but he is sanctimonious as hell. And if you want
to know how bad a person you are, if if
he's if he's like, oh he'll tell you, yeah, yeah,
He'll make sure you know how bad you are for
making the decisions that he would never know.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
So maybe maybe he's as close to perfect as you'll
ever Maybe we need a sports moral tribute, a tribunal,
you know him, Greg Popovich. I mean, I'm trying to
think who else, Stan Van Gundy? You know anybody else?
I mean, you know, tell why don't you three guys?
Tell us how to live our lives please you want to.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
There's a that's a long list. We could put some
more on that table if you three good places to see.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
These guys are challenging Winston Churchill for moral authority. You
know we got plenty of Winston Churchill's in this sport.
Also have somebody.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
When you challenge somebody the guy's IQ, you better hope
your IQ matchress.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (31:34):
Yeah, there's a.

Speaker 6 (31:35):
Gap between those two IQs, his IQ and anybody else's meeting.
Elon Musk he's yeah, whether you like him, and it's
a pretty smart guy. I'd say it's say.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
I mean he sends rockets up in the space. I mean,
you know, ourself driving electric vehicles. I say it's above ten.
Pretty bright. I mean the guys talking about creating an
artificial sun on Mars. Yeah, how many people can actually
do And it was cop and so of you know
that's really not that hard. I know, so you do it.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
It's like what and so okay, And the truth is
he probably can scary enough. So yeah, Steve Curry, I
mean they can wine and complain all they want. Take
the l get your ass home and let's see you
do it in your own building.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Now, well, what Jason was just talking about right there,
we do have that audio. We'll have that for you.
Al see you right there. We'll get to you as
so we'll continue the conversation. Also get into a little
bit of an NFL draft talk guests today too for
us on the show. Michael Batton, what were you of?
H linebacker? He's going to join us eight o'clock and
an eight thirty Eric at home from Yahoo going to

(32:35):
talk a little bit of draft before tonight. We'll do
all that here Sewn Salisbury Show with he till ten
Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Back to the Sean Salisbury Show on Sports Talk seven
ninety sports your asterroids, your rockets, your voice.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
Continue on the phone lines for here from Steve Kerr
and so we teased in the last segment on the
south Side. Good morning, How what's up?

Speaker 7 (33:03):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (33:03):
What's going on? Great show? Guys? Hey, Seun, you hit
his spot on.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
Let me tell you something that mofo we had We
even took enough of his ish Draymond Greens Shun is unacceptable.

Speaker 8 (33:18):
I don't respect I'm just speaking for me.

Speaker 11 (33:21):
I don't respect his game because see a lot of
that has a lot to do with him getting away
with some of the things that he's accomplished with his game.
When you don't do that and you allow the guy
to keep playing when we know he should have been injected.
Them stats don't look like they look them rings may
not look because one of the rings they say he
cost him when he lebron them came back.

Speaker 8 (33:42):
Three to one.

Speaker 11 (33:43):
Let me tell you this, Steven Adams and Dinning Brooks,
I don't care. I'm like you, Shan need to flat
out and let him have it. I lost all respect
for Draymond years ago that what game does he have?
He's on the team that hides his play.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
You know what I mean? When you playing with a
guy like.

Speaker 11 (34:01):
Steph Curry and secondly argued the greatest shooter with Klay Thompson,
you can do a lot of things that stuff he doing.

Speaker 8 (34:08):
Shuan and the Rockets, I like what they did. Shout
out to my Rockets.

Speaker 11 (34:13):
Hopefully that Steven Adams and Dylan Brooks make a statement.
Because he's one thing about a bullet shunk. He picks
on the guys that he think is soft. That's why
I don't respect his game. That ain't basketball coordinated between
the four lines. You doing slick stuff, hitting folks and
all that tiff with the guy he on his team
in practice. Man, come on, man, you ain't no basketball player.

Speaker 8 (34:36):
Dude. You don't play like that. You don't do that.

Speaker 11 (34:39):
And this ain't nineteen hated and in the eighties he'd
have been knocked out a feuple of times, probably the
end of his career. You know what I'm saying, But
that President, the commission of the NBA Basketball that's a shame.

Speaker 8 (34:50):
Shun David Stern turning.

Speaker 11 (34:52):
Over in his grave that you allow this guy to
play with these kids top and do them like that,
shuns not keeping the game in perspective. That guy's a
sore commissioner. President, Seun, here we go, we got we
got the draft company, and I'm gonna just give you
a take. I think we're gonna move up, Seun, What

(35:13):
is Jimmy Butler have explain to me? And I hang
up and listen with the hip contusion?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
What is that?

Speaker 8 (35:18):
Not long? You think he'll be out? And I hang
up with this?

Speaker 5 (35:21):
Thanks, Al, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Al.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
The first part of Yeah, if this was the eighties,
he'd already been in a fight that's just the way
it is. And whether they liked it or not, he'd
have been he'd have been knocked out at some point,
and it wouldn't have just been once. Somebody had fought
him a bunch of times. But the game's changed, and
so of the way we go about it and the
way what we accept and what we allow. And he
does have more hall, he's got more Hall passes. He
made the league for a guy who's given all his

(35:45):
Hall passes away. It gets to the point now where
looks like the school teacher doesn't do anything to the
bully who keeps running rough shot and over the seventh
graders I've seen. And then finally one of the seventh
graders said, the teacher, the school, the principal, the protection
because you don't you don't need to look far from
the bully. Just just hang around the parents for a
while and you'll understand the dad. Usually he may need

(36:06):
an asshole time. More often than not, there is no doubt,
right right, or the bullying begat bullying right, Well, let
it go, and the teacher and they keep saying, oh,
we're gonna get handled, and they don't get it handled.
Then finally some kid says, I've had it, and he
takes care of it, and then the kid's never a
bully again. And the NBA that may have to happen.
So that's one. You have the draft tonight and I
think they're going offense early and I don't know if

(36:28):
they're going to sit at twenty five. As far as
a hip contusion, Dan and I were talking about before
the show started, Yeah, a.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Contusions of bruise. Jimmy Butler's tough. I can't fathom now
if it's a chipped bone or you know, a fracture
and the hip.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
I get it. It's the playoffs. I know it's only
game three. I can't fathom you going to the right.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Winger for the Edmonton Oilers or you know, the goaltender
for Nashville and saying, hey man, that can Tusian that
you got. When the puck hit off your forum, you'll
be okay, I can't play. They'd look you. Your own
teams want to fight and they would never say it.
I'm not saying Jimmy saying it, but our perception and
oh no, I got twenty eight stitches above because the

(37:13):
puck hit me in the face. I'll be playing the
second period, let alone the next game. Jimmy's tough. I
don't know, now does it limit his mobility? Contusion to me,
is a bruise. If it's a.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Bruise, you know, if it's on your thigh, you pad
it up more than you deal with that. I don't
know anybody that misses a game due to a bruise.
If you do, then that's either a deep bruise. Make
tell the team to lie to the public and say
it's a really really deep bruise that he can't move
his right his hip.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Now, I got it.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
But when you say contusion, the first thing comes to
me is that it's a black and blue contusion. Get
in the tub, put in the ice pool, get yourself
ready to go and go play. I would imagine Jimmy
Butler's gonna play. He takes a contusion.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
He just needs that orange gel that the trainer needed
the rubber glove to be able to put on, because
I mean, whatever that's was, I would imagine it.

Speaker 6 (38:03):
Yeah, it's some kind of heat that if you put
it on your eyes, you wouldn't be able to see
for three days. So that's what they hints the glove
because you can't even scrub it off. But I can't fathom.
I'm sure he's sore today, but you get you know,
you're hot cold, hot cold. It's the playoffs, game four
and you got a season. Rest him for a couple
of games. But if it is, I'm just using that
for a contusion, and it keeps you out of the playoffs,

(38:26):
you're either soft the contusion is so deep you can't move,
or you're they're telling you not to play because they're
not real concerned about game three. I don't know many
that I played with in my sport in football, they
would allow a bruise contusion to keep him out of
a playoff game. I don't think Jimmy will. If if
they say it's on you pain threshold, then it's just

(38:48):
on the individual. I would imagine Jimmy's pain threshold says
he can play, and if certain guys, I'm not encouraging this,
but I'd do it. They have needles that they you know,
could put something in there to make sure you can
get through the threshold of pain as well, or they
have something they can hand you say, take a little
glass of water with this, let's get through this game.
That's just the reality of the situation. If it's a

(39:10):
contusion and it keeps him out, that's more than a contusion.
A bruise should not keep anybody out of any game period.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
You wouldn't think so. I think he's getting the MRI today.
I guess we'll find out probably more tomorrow or later
on today about what his availability is. But yeah, you know,
I mean, if he's able to play, he will be
out there. I know that. It was a surprise to
Steve Kerr right real quick too, you know, back to
Draymond here, because I do want to go ahead and
get this. Last night we heard the chance and afterwards, well,

(39:38):
Winston Churchill himself he said, oh, Rockets fans, I didn't
like that. Not ideal when a crowd is you know,
channing few Draymond, It's just I don't know. I mean,
it did in Boston a few years ago in the finals.
It is what it is. He's gonna also, he's gonna

(40:00):
his next motivational speakers Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Jesus,
and he's one of them. Yeah, he's an apostle. Yeah,
he's he's the fifth Gospel. Oh yeah, yeah, there was
no question about it. Because you know, Draymond's a he's
a married man with kids, and he did he did
even go even further. You know, I know he's an agitator.
It's like, yeah, didn't you didn't you know what's coming? Steve?

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Hey, how dare them chant f you? Draymond? After he
kicked somebody in the balls? After after he after he
hog tied a guy around the net. Dude, at least
go Paul Hayman with it, lean into it. Yeah, I'll
respect you more. Yeah, hey man, it was they got
after it. They were intense. I'm Steve May May. Maybe
Steve's never cussed in his life, unfortunately, but he's going

(40:47):
to be your judgment at the at the gates, Peter.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah, call him Pete. Yeah, he'll be Saint Stephen. Yeah,
it doesn't Hey, wait, wait a minute, you look a
lot like Steve Kerr. Oh, funny enough, I am Steve Kerr.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
And by the way, and then Steve says, didn't you
cuss on a game on a on April twenty four?

Speaker 6 (41:07):
More purgatory time for both of us? Yeah, how dare you?
You're not you don't belong here because I've never done it,
because I'm perfect Steve, I've never got anything wrong. Yeah,
I'm okay when Steve Kirk gets beat. Yeah it doesn't
happen very often, but I'm okay with.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
I was gonna say, I think there's a lot of
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three two one two five seven ninety se one three
two one two five seven nine zero No. I teased
a little bit of Astro's discussion here, Sean, but uh,

(43:48):
you know, be remiss if at some time the show
that it did not mention the passing of uh Steve
Mango McMichael yesterday, and I know that you had history
with them. Did you play against him, yes, so he
was he was still in the league when you played.
I I never had any idea that he was an
NFL player until I was watching wrestling one night. My

(44:10):
my dad goes Steve McMichael and I was like, you
know who Steve McMichael is. And he's like, well, yeah,
I mean, you know saw him with the eighty five Bears.
Because I always thought that he was just a member
of the four Horsemen. What's that member of the four
horse he was, Yeah, he was a member. He was
with Flair, Arnt Anderson.

Speaker 8 (44:25):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (44:26):
I think maybe that's the four Horseman and wrestling. Yeah yeah, no, no,
not like Notre Dame or yeah not not not Notre Dame. Right,
that was a little bit.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
Man, Michael, that he's pretty versatile, right, Yeah, it's uh
sad you talk about fighting a good fight when you
get that diagnosis that he had. Your it's as we
know that death sense sadly enough, and the mental toughness
you have to have to say, I'm still going to

(44:56):
fight it. Boy, do we need a cure for that?
He uh tough? You know, he was always tough on
the on the football field, but pales in comparison to
the toughness I I. I looked at him and you
I've all the way through. I mean he's been contacted
by family members because you know of uh of about

(45:17):
going through the interview, Hall of Fame and stuff, and
and the family obviously great affinity for and they're they're
very popular in Chicago, but you know, affinity for their
pops and stuff and and uh, guy, when I see
you know, the guys you play against, it feel like
I still feel like it's too young, but you know,
people get sick and they go. But I don't know

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how anybody would have fought it better than him. And
I know there's been people that have fought it well,
from Steve Gleason and who else? Am I thinking of
Brigant's and they, I mean the battle that they're in
in that the toughness, I don't know how they how
they do it.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
You become a prisoner in your own body.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
There's and and the fact that you still fight, that's
that's there's a there's talking about built different and Steve
McMichael's toughness would never be questioning after this. It's like,
you know, you're you're humbled by it. And I've watched it,
you know, go through the whole time and friends, you know,
because Jimmy Max abuddy of mine, and go visit and
and you know, people talk about what they saw in

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their affinity for Steve, and you know that that offense,
the defensive line is three hall of famers, him and
Dan Hampton and Richard Dent. All right, yea, and you
can imagine how good they were. But Steve and Michael
good guy, fun. But I don't know how on his
gravestone that the word tough is not in there.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
No, I mean it's it's tough, tough, the right way, right.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
I love him and I hate to see this, and
when you watch a guy battle like that, at your
ads some perspective. But also, and I know we say
this all the time when somebody passes away about what
they brought, what they meant and all that, and it's
from even from Afar always admired him and he was
difficult to play against, but his battle in life was

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phenomenal and people loved him, and Chicago loves him. So
I don't know. I hope we learned lessons as we
go on, as you get older. And I know this
sounds cheesy in the morning, but not just for Steve.
But we don't do enough talking about people that matter
to us until they're dead or sick. Yeah, And I
just I guess I don't get it, but we're all

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guilty of it. And then you say, man, I wish
I had to spend more time, or I wish I'd
read this, or I wish I'd done that. And Steve
McMichael is is is as tough as you'll ever find
in that struggle. So God blessed his family and his
fight was an incredible example of resilience that anybody with

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that disease that goes through and still has the will
to live, they're different.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
I mean, because it's exactly as you said. I mean,
having you know, known somebody who went through it and
would pass away from it eventually. I mean, you know,
I use the words prisoner in your own body. I
mean that's really what it is. I mean, you soon
enough you're your bedridden and you're just really just sitting
there until your time runs out. I mean, it's just

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it's awful in every single way. But I mean you
talked about it the tightness of that community around that
eighty five Bears team, And that's the one thing that
sticks out to me too about that group is they
all seem to genuinely care about each other. Yeah, Van
Horn and McMahon and Willie Galt and Steve McMichael and
Dan Hampton and godd Rest this sole refrigerator Perry who

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was a hell of a player, and Mike Singletary And
you know one thing I noticed because I on Facebook
friends and stuff, is that every single it felt like
every day a new teammate er somebody was there visiting
himah bedside, talking to him. And I'm sure having some
fun old stories into the bear stories, you know, I
mean things that he would want to talk about, right,

(48:57):
And I just it's fascinating to me. If you want
to know, if if you ever questioned if a.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Guy's love, take a look at the struggle he's been
through these last couple of years and the people around him,
and people that come from far and wide to visit him,
just to be by his bedside, to give him hope.
Stephen Michael toughman, They're they're gaining a pretty damn good warrior.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
I just hate to see it happen. You know. Now
now he's not suffering. Now he's up there with Buddy, Yep,
you know. I mean that's that's the thing too. I
remember the event and another defense to drive people crazy. Yeah,
I remember that that thirty for thirty and that that
was the part at the end of it was, you know, Buddy,
when he knew that he was close to the end,
he wrote a letter to his players, and I remembered
that singletary. They put it in front of him and

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he saw who was written by and he goes, I
can't read that, right, He's like, He's like, that'll get me, man.
He goes I can't. I mean, it's just you.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
Know, buddy, Yeah, that that team, you know, led by
Dick of the whole thing. They beat to their own drum.
They're like, they reminded me of the old school Raiders. Yeah,
they kind of showed up and had practice and every
fights and they all liked each other, but they all
did it there way. They didn't care if they broke kurf,
you know, all those things that go with a little
what is it they put it?

Speaker 5 (50:05):
They they tested your patients.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
I'm sure as a coaching staff and the and the
commission and all that, but I can tell you this.
I played against that team in those thirty four defenses.
It's one thing to have devised a defense to be
really pressure and good and like tough to block, but
you have to have personnel to do that. Hence why
you don't see many teams do it that a regular.
That was their base defense because they had like a

(50:27):
pro bowler at every position, and they were frigging nasty
and every lineup and the whole week of.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Practice is like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (50:36):
And then you can't simulate it because you can't simulate
Dent and McMichael and Hampton and Singletary and Dave Dorson,
and I mean up and down. It's like they lost
two Pro bowlers to holdouts that year. Todd Bell was
one of them and a defensive lineman. The year they
in eighty five, they lost two defensive starters hold out contracts.

(50:59):
They still went on to go, you know, win fifteen
games and have the sixteen get beat by Miami late
in the season, go and win the Super Bowl and
dominated New England. And the two guys never got back
Todd Bill. They ended up in Philadelphia. They and Dorson
became a Pro Bowler. They got rid of two guys,
had the best defense in the world, still won a
Super Bowl, and two of their starters did not play.

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Now you think about that phenomenal, phenomenal team and Steve
McMichael in the middle.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
We always ask for tough guys.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
He and Hampton lined up in the middle, and we
in refrigerator Perry, and you know, they were versal enough
to play inside and outside. They were just as good
as it gets men, and they had a blast playing football.
And Steve McMichael was right in the fray of it.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Well, it's like, you know, when I worked in Atlanta.
I got to know Kevin Butler a little bit. Butts
was not a kicker's attitude now that way now, and
you know, good friends with his son Drew, and you know,
just sitting around beers. You know, it's one of those
I've told you stories about this before, when you're sitting
with certain people, just hey, you don't say a word,
You don't say anything because you have nothing to add

(52:02):
to this. You didn't go through it, you know nothing
about it. Just you're lucky enough to be part of
this conversation. And there were some of those, and of course,
you know Mango part of it, you know, McMahon, You know,
just many of those guys of just a team that
in personalities like him that were just larger than life.
We don't have enough of them.

Speaker 6 (52:18):
Yeah, And that team was was loaded with personalities on
both sides of the ball, not to not to mention
that as tough as we've ever had was the other
side of the ball. And Walter Payton, Yeah, that group's
had some tragic ends to some people's lives. Walter Payton premature, yeah,
Dave Dorson suicide, premature, Steve McMichael.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
There's I know other teams go through.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
With that refrigerator. Refrigerator, buddy, Ryan. Yes, I mean that
team had some great players and some great personalities and
a lot of them lost too soon.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Ye rest in peace. YEA life well lived by Steve
Mango McMichael passing away from als.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
He max, I can tell you this, he maximized. He
didn't get cheated. Yeah, that's one thing. I maybe cheated
and we felt. But I'm gonna tell you what, even
his attitude, you couldn't have lasted as long as him
without the attitude of I guarantee you and know this
for fake.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
He thought he was gonna beat it. And that's the
only way you can survive as long as he did.

Speaker 6 (53:12):
Incredible, incredible, incredible life and it just ended two cents.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Yeah, no doubt about it. We gotta we gotta cure it.
We gotta find a way for sure. All right. Coming
up next, let's lighten some things up a little bit
because something happened to a legend that I think a
lot of us have gone through at one point, and
it ain't pretty. We'll talk about it here Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
This Sean Salisbury Show continues on Sports Talk seven home
for your home teams.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
All right, Sean, what.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Are you hearing out there now? The Salisbury's takeouts? Salsbury's
takeout on the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
It is Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk. Seven ninety rockets
one O nine ninety four winners last night against the
Warrior season even at one Astro sweep Jay's three one
win last night, and the Texans set to pick number
twenty five overall in the NFL draft. All right, Sean,
So a couple of nights ago inside the NBA, you
know we're watching it. It's got Shaq, Charles, Ernie Kenny,

(54:48):
everybody's there on the set, and you know, you come
back from a segment. I don't know exactly when this was,
but you got the guys talking and you know, something
thrown out by Ernie about a question, whatever it might be,
and all of a sudden, Shaquille O'Neal gets up from
the set and runs off, and all we could immediately
think as soon as it happened was, oh boy, I

(55:12):
know that sensation. Listen to it all play out.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
The other thing about Kawhi is you know what your.

Speaker 12 (55:24):
Big fellow, I know I'll catch it a crap.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Go ahead, keep talking, Joe.

Speaker 12 (55:29):
Yeah, were on TV.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
That's that olive bill you've been drinking.

Speaker 13 (55:34):
Take some matches with you, Hey, listen, he could hold
it forty you can't hold it.

Speaker 12 (55:42):
What's it first?

Speaker 5 (55:47):
That wasn't something planned, was it?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
No?

Speaker 5 (55:50):
It definitely was not planned. Because there are fears that
we all have in life, Sean and I remember somebody
I used to work with said, you know, doing this job,
having hiccups on is one of them. That's my biggest
fear right there, that we get to about this point
in the morning. Something I ate last night. Maybe I
woke up with a little bit of an uneasy stomach
but still held it together.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
Yeah, but you can just run to the restroom. You
got another person. It's not a big deal. I mean
the first time it happened, yeah for you, but it happened. Happens,
no pun intended.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Yeah, pulling a Paul Pierce. But I feel like there's
two sensations and they can both happen in the car.
One of them for sure, does that make you feel
that way? One of them is uh oh, like where
it's like maybe the enemies have not escaped the gates,
but they're close, and you're like oh my god, please,
like Lord, if there's anything I ask you right now,

(56:42):
let me get to the toilet like this, like I
have to get there, man, I'm so horny now, or
thinking about this conversation, or it's not that, but something similar.
The low fuel light is on and you're like, oh man,
I please please, Like maybe the engine starts sputtering a
little bit and you're like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, let me get to the gas station.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
What about the beer pee when you got to go
when you've had a couple of beers, if somebody's driving
and you're sitting there and they're not stopping, and yeah,
you broke the sea, and you're like, now on the field,
people just would just pee themselves.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Nobody cares, you.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
Know, unless you're the quarterback got to stick your hands
underneath the center who just gets yea, but that happens.
But and I'm sure along the line, I mean, listen
in pro locker rooms or high school locker if you
see it all. Shack just did what most people probably
have had happened, but waited out till the commercial break.

(57:39):
You know, they they when he if you saw him walk,
you couldn't have driven a stake with a sledgehammer through
his ass because he's afraid if he would have legged
it out and stretched it out, it was in and up.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
In his suit pants. That's a no sudden movement because
that happens. It's hey, Shack, you were wearing blue, but
now you're you're wearing gray, Like what while somebody is
eating their their their cream filled donut this morning and
we're talking about this, but that's the one where you
can't get the belt buckle and die and you drop
you drop trou and drop the slats and on your
way down, Yeah, on your way down to the And

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that's a long way down for the big fella.

Speaker 6 (58:16):
And then I was thinking, Eh, then I got to
the what must the post be like? It's like that,
I was saying, I think, what must the post feel
walking in after Shack fu shocked diesel?

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Just what that must be like.

Speaker 6 (58:33):
For the next person who had to walk in there,
you know, like, didn't Chuck say matches, Yeah, yeah, the
dad telling telling everybody don't go in there for forty
five minutes. Yeah, I'd say for a guy the size
of Shack, you probably are going about an hour and
a half. I would say, you got to hit the
courtesy on your way down to the toilet, so it
flows just at the same time.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
There's any fabric in there that gets into the fabric.
I'm so horny right now thinking about this conversation better
than a seven twenty five. Hey, but hey, past the uh,
past the cornbef fash oh shack's walking into the restaurant.
But at the same time, though, this is the time
of the morning when guys that are you know, closer

(59:13):
to mine in your coffee stuff. Well, that's that's what
it is. I mean, as soon as you get fired up,
you're like, well, you know, go and get it done now. Yeah,
I'm a regular guy, so it just I mean the time,
maybe that's part of my ocdio, But I don't ever,
I don't go rare. Do I go through that. I
mean because I'm a private home guy. I don't like

(59:35):
the public.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
Ah, I'm a very anything I could possibly.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Do not to do do that in public. This gets
in the bathroom medict yeah, a big time. I just
I just try not to. The best that I've ever
run into a situation like that was I was in
a stall and I heard somebody next holding a full conversation.
Oh yeah, and I find I finally was like, this
is really happening right now, like you're really doing this.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
Yeah, that's it, that's awesome. They're carrying on that car
and see their shoes.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
Excuse me, somebody, somebody's been I'm being rude.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
Yes, I'm there. I just want ear plugs and I'm
in there. I don't want to hear anything. I don't
want to talk to so I try to keep it private.
But sometimes you just can't control it. And the big
fellow said, screw this. I am waiting because the if
I don't go, it's going to be even more humiliating.

Speaker 8 (01:00:20):
See.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
And that's the thing too, is people were wondering if
you know an accident had had occurred. I said, no, no, no,
you can't run. You can't do any of those things
like you you are, you are moving incredibly gingerly. So
it was, oh, they're approaching. We need to have weapons
ready here, ready for a battle. Oh yeah, he was,

(01:00:42):
Uh he was.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
He had to squeeze that one off, dude, Well he was.
I can guarant ask to you he was prairie dogging.
I can guarant ask to you the Prairie Dog was
was real, and Shaq had to he took a debt.
If he could have sprinted, he would have but one
extra step, which is a little too wide. The prairie

(01:01:07):
Dog becomes a telephone pole.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
You're a big film.

Speaker 12 (01:01:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Yeah, as soon as I heard that, I meant to
look at it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
You need a double size, you need a double sized
boudet for the big fellow man. I think every bathroom
should have one of those. Yeah, you know, when you're
growing up, they felt Bougie, right, you see him on
a movie or something felt Bougie's friends. Yeah, to the
point now you're thinking, don't every bathroom need one? And
I mean, what's not to like? I mean it's yeah, right,
little hot water flowing up in there, yeah, like that

(01:01:39):
this time of the year, why this timing? What's this
different from any other time?

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
I mean it's hot, humid, musty. Oh that makes me horny.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
It's a fact.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
I mean it's a fact.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
If you get up and take a dead sprint, you
start Prairie Dog and don't let me know about it,
just just go.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Now that's gonna be the And that's another thing is
is it's not only that, like it's what if you know,
something started to you know, my stomach started gurgling at
like three thirty. Man, no, I'm really horny. I can't
I can't call someone. So I mean, I've got to
have the trash can over there right here, I got
a post man, I gotta be here. Yeah, you do,
then maybe maybe the relief picture can come in, because

(01:02:19):
you know it's they can get their full warm up
and everything else and you get to save. Yeah, yeah,
take it the rest.

Speaker 8 (01:02:25):
Of the way.

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
Yeah, Shack that you're exactly right. Whoever was watching said, oh,
who hasn't been there? Who hasn't been there where it's bad?

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
It's a bad spot to be. Yeah, especially on live TV.
I've been, you know, the other way where stuck in
massive traffic jam. Do I have an empty cup? I
had to do it. I had to. You're talking about
what Shack did, what not? Not that I'm talking about, Okay, yeah,
oh yeah, Oh well who hasn't done that? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
If they you're looking for the water bottle you had
from the day before or on the way in, you'll
empty the water out to pee in the There is
no doubt I had a thirst quincher bottle.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
There you go. So yeah, yeah, it's safe for sure.
All right, we're past it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
We're past it now that even even even blazing that
on every single person's mind. Here, alls we can think
about is, hey man, we grab me one of those
jelly filled And by the way, remember when Shack was
hit on the toilet two nights ago or last Yeah, nasty,
but you had to come to fruition.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
It worked a steak out. It worked out for George Brett.
He had to get the steak out. Well, it worked
out for George Brett. Yes, where he got the preparation
h commercial exactly is quite the pitch man. So now
somebody's gonna come to.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
Them with here's what I think. I think we're looking
at either bismol or emodium.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
A d yeah like that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
I can just see Shack sitting there and like gurgling
and talking about emodium VID with that voice of his
moving product.

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
Don't get caught like TV.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
Yeah, but the dud, that's probably him. Yeah, you'll see
it like a pizza commercial. Yeah, Papa John's right, and
then he'll come back the next one because he's on
TV more than anybody on the planet.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
When he right, then he'll come back with wool.

Speaker 6 (01:04:06):
If you eat my pizza, then you got to come
and get to Memodium, which wouldn't be a great endorsement
on your pizza. But yeah, I would imagine Shack, we'll
find a way to make like ten million off this dude.
He prints somebody, Oh, yes, somebody will come see dude.
Do you want to talk about amodium d this classic?
Can we use some of that footage? Okay? Yeah, Oh,
there's no doubt it'll It'll end up in his wallet

(01:04:26):
money wise. Oh for sud bless him. He knows, he knows.
I don't begrudge him for it, that's for sure, all right.
Astros Also too, we're gonna get in some NFL draft
because something that I saw that I was just like,
I'm so glad the NFL draft is here.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Are you excited for it? I am? I'm pumped.

Speaker 8 (01:04:44):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Are you a draft? Yeah? Are you a draft head?
It scratches the itch. You know, it's not actual football,
but at least we're talking it fair enough and it's
something of substance. So yeah, absolutely, Well I dive into
all of that here as we continue here on the
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The Sean Salisbury Show continued.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
You know, touched on it just a little bit earlier,
but I mean able to sweep the Blue Jays, a
team that coming in a pretty good team for the
baseball they've been playing. But this is an Astros team
that we've talked about individual performances, but how about just
the pitching staff as a whole this week, Because I

(01:06:01):
heard Zach Dezenzo talking on the post game with Robert
and Steve about five and six on this Homestand so
you went five and one, you beat the best team
in baseball two out of three. Then you beat a
good team in the Blue Jays. And these numbers laid
out last night by Brian McTaggert nineteen and a third innings,
seven hits, two e on runs, four walks, eighteen strikeouts,

(01:06:23):
a zero point nine to three ERA from the three
starters in this series for the Astros. O.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
Well, bullpen hasn't been far behind. How about Brian King though,
the way that they're confficiency, Yeah, I'm just telling you.
And they and again Hater does his job again last night.
They are they're pitching staff. This is no surprise to
people that have watched them last years. They're pitching staff.
When they're going good, they carry this franchise. And yet

(01:06:50):
every year it's like, well how did they carry it
with all these hitters in this lineup. Well, you're starting
to see a little more from Jiner, you saw Christian Walker.
You're starting to see some signs of life from some
guys that needed it. Paratis Is obviously, you know, has
good power and We're still waiting for Jordon to get.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
Rolling with the long ball.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
But you can win a lot of games without your
stars crushing the baseball when you pitch like they're pitching.
That's why my emphasis with Dana Brown yesterday was, man,
you well, it's almost spoiled because these guys, it doesn't
matter who it is is running out there was Nesky's
done a great job, Gusto's proven he can get it
from the bullpen, and as a starter, like last night,

(01:07:32):
we know what the front of the rotation has done.
Renelle Blanco looked like his old self from last year.
It's in a bullpen this team, and right now it's
a good time to be doing it since the long
ball has kind of been from the guy you've been
begging for from Jordan and even Christian Walker. But you know,
starting to roll a little bit, you can see hitting
the ball hard is going to start to pay off

(01:07:53):
for him. So this pitching, you give you this all
year long, with average to d and hitting, they will
be in a position to not only win the division,
but a position to roll through the playoffs because you've
got to have what they're giving you right now, and
that's not just decent pitching.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
They're giving you great pitching right now.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
And if the bats start to match the pitching, they
can distance themselves. And you hear Dane always talk about
going on winning eight, nine, ten in a row. That
will give you an opportunity to do with the way
they're pitching, because you don't need five runs, but if
you give them five runs, you're waltzing to a victory
when they're pitching like this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
And it's also the way you're playing defense too. I mean,
Jeremy Pania is playing at a gold glove level right now.
Cam Smith has impressed you beyond belief out in right
field with the way he's looked, and I think even
Al Tuovey has two out in left field.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
Yeah he's well, we're not talking about it. Yeah, we're
not talking about Al two v playing left field. Why
because we were not getting four mishaps during the week.
And it'll happen at some point this year. It's going
to happen to a lot of people. But we'll focus
on that because he's not supposed to be playing there
right this is this is a new position. Well, maybe
he is supposed to be playing there and doing a
good job of it. They've improved their defense, and you know,

(01:09:04):
they got gold Glove caliber player at second base when
he's playing, and they've got Paratus who's playing really good
third base. You know what Christian Walker gives you over
first base. Jake Myers in centerfield, Cam Smith looks to
me like he's not just going to be a great hitter,
but at some point in time he's just one of
those dudes that he goes bowling and rolls a two twenty.
The first time he does it, stick him in the
right field, he wins a gold Glove. That's the athlete

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he is. So but at all everything, the center core
of what you got to do in baseball is what
Brian McTaggart put on the numbers and the way they're pitching.
And even though what he got, you know, pitched got
into the fifth inning, meaning Gusto, you're getting six and
two thirds, you're getting seven, you're getting six, and that's

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that that is gonna Those arms are going to be
a lot fresher when you've got to go to them
in the bullpen. I couldn't be more impressed with the
pitching doing a great job, and you can say it, look,
the hitting has been subpar or average at times?

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Was it well?

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
And they're still winning, So gimme pitching and then if
the hitting matches it, they'll go on that one twelve
or fourteen type of thing. Yeah, that's definitely and maybe
this is that run.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Maybe get on that one right now. Well, I mean,
give yourself some padding, which is not what you had
last year. You had to sprint out of the gate
then kind of get back into a pay I like
that they're taking care of their business and at home
as well. For sure. For sure. Let's squeeze in John
on the northwest side really quick. John, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Hey guys, good morning.

Speaker 8 (01:10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:10:29):
I was going to say that Tucker trade looks better
and better by the day to me. You know, I
know Tucker's off to a good start, but you know,
Chicago's selling them as a Tucker's team. Now, you know,
when you're around Chicago, they call it Tucker's team. But
you know they haven't seen him in the playoffs yet.

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So but anyways, I just think Cam has much more upside.
I do think he'll be a better player.

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
Than what we had.

Speaker 14 (01:10:58):
And I like all, you know, Wisniskey and everybody have
really looked good. I think it's I think it was
just a great trade on our parts. And the other
problem is, you know, like in Chicago, if Tucker keeps
up with these numbers, you know, he's a free agent
again after this year, and they say he can command
like four hundred and forty million, you know, like what

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Vladimir Guero and Soto and those guys got, And you
know the Astros, you know they'd be out of that anyway.
So I think it was great that we pulled the
trigger and traded him, and what we got I think
is exceptional.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
And I'm really really high on the on the trade
and what we're getting.

Speaker 12 (01:11:35):
So I just wanted to comment on that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
I appreciate the call. I mean, you know, we've talked
about it before, John and Sean. I mean where you've
reached a point where I think it was almost kind
of a crescendo with this organization of you can't keep
doing the let it ride and not get anything back
in return and expect to keep winning. And I think
that Dana Brown finally had the loudest voice in the
room where he said, guys, look, it'd be nice to

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have Kyle Tucker here. Are we a better team with
him offensively, yes we are, but we are we a
better team in the long run without him, No, you're not.
Don't want it to be where you did that and
he came around.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
You had him this year and you get nothing again
for somebody that you can get a Hall for, And
so far it's a win for both organizations different ways.
But John's exactly right. It's not even just the surface
part of this trade. He's there playing really good baseball
and these three guys are playing here. If he plays
continues to play good baseball, he's he would have priced

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himself out here anyway. And when he's healthy, he's gonna
be a good player. Now the postseason is a little
different than he's gonna have to, you know, up his game,
but you're gonna get paid. And they would have never
been able to pay him, or would have never wanted
to pay him that kind of money. And he is
going to get three fifty to four hundred million, I
would imagine at the minimum, they weren't going to pay it.

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So you just jumped out and were pro active and said, okay,
we'd love to have him now. But there's no way
you can sit back. I can say this was a
bad deal done by Dana knowing you were going to
lose him anyway, This is a good deal. It's really
good for Chicago and he'll do well whether he stays
there or not. It's going to cost them a lot
of money and you were not going to be able
to pay it here, So why in the world would
we stress over Yeah, it'd be great to have now,

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but you know what, I think the prospects of cam
Smith's potential and the way that the way that Petis
is playing and we was Nesky gives you that. I
think you're setting here saying, you know what, it's a
win for them and a win for us, But in
the long run, a Chicago isn't going to pay that
kind of money. They basically rented him for a year,
and that the Astros are not about that business. I mean,

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it happened to Kakuchi the last part of you, but
I'm talking about that long term.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
He was not going to be here.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
You were not signing him for nine or ten years
at that price, So get out in front of it.
He was a hot cot even coming out. Think about this.
This is even after an injury where he missed seventy
games or so. He's impressive. The three guys that are
here have been impressive, and if they play these three guys,
you are going to be an extremely important part to
the ass Stros run this year. I think it was, well,

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it's tough to lose Kyle Tucker knowing you weren't going
to keep him.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
You you had to do what you did, no no
doubt about it, and that's what the Astros decided upon.
All Right, the NFL Draft is here. When I see
reports like this, I'm like, thank God, we're finally hearing
we have and we can stop seeing things like this.
We'll talk about that here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
Let the celebration start more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
I understand that we're starved for content. I understand that
you're also told to do certain things like our guests
coming up at eight thirty, Eric at Home with the
NFL dot Com. Now, I guarantee you that he's going
to be asked as soon as round one through seven
is done. Okay, Hey, now we need draft grades, which
most people in the business and most people who know
football know that, on the surface, draft grades are incredibly

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dumb because it's not even an educated guest. It's a
full on just darts at a board guess in terms
of how guys are going to be. Like people in
the industry tell me if I'm wrong. They look at
draft grades and they're like, well, what grade? How can
I give somebody?

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
I mean, I know they grade on you're basically grading
the draft on your own opinion. Yeah, it's not like
the quarterback rate rating, whether here's the five or seven
or eight or ten or twelve, you know, metrics that
you have to achieve to get a certain quarterback rating.
It is some guy sitting who doesn't matter and everybody's

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got a pay That's fine, But what am I grading
them on? How good they played in college on game
day or the fact that yesterday we graded them?

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
Today?

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
I mean, yesterday we talked about who's gonna get picked.
Today we're going to do the same thing. So tomorrow
we should actually grade on what we thought or what
was the best?

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
What was best for? What are we grading? You're grading
because and I guarantee you if you were a guy
that said you didn't like a player, sure, if the
player's really good. Ninety eight percent of the world loved
the college player and whatever. He went to a school
that kicked your album matters. Ask but you're a draft guy,
and all of a sudden you say, I just don't here.

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Here's why.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
So your grade is going to be different than then
you're grading and based on your opinion of him, not
opinion of his game at right point. And that's where
this stuff gets skewed for me and whoever. You know,
everybody's an expert and everybody's got an opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
That's fine. Talk to me about the grades in January
of next year. How the draft worked out? Yeah, Well,
I'm not talking about the overall did you win there,
I'm just talking about their performances rookies. Sure, it doesn't
mean that's the final grade, but it's like a progress
grade that we get in school.

Speaker 6 (01:16:40):
It's a semester grade, so it's after your year and
then but the draft three to five years. He was
you know how you're gonna draft, how you're going to
judge and put a grade on it? Man, I am
bigger on how's GENTI fit with the Giants or the Patriots?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
How does Caleb Williams fit in Chicago or Ben you
know and fit as the head coach. So while I
love all these people, have them and everybody's mock grass,
we go down, what we're gonna have thirty two picks? Well,
what the biggest expert I'll guess right on twelve of them. Yeah, twelve,
if you're lucky, I think like twenty five. So it's

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just see this is and usually when you're doing it,
it's now you're not usually doing it, maybe McShay or Kuyperar.
But when I'm looking at them, I'm judging them from
what I watched and saw and have listened. I'm not
judging them by shorts and a teacher. I'm judging what
I saw on tape and how I feel about their game.
And then you take all the information. It's not whether
I like somebody or not, because the truth of matter
is I really don't. I don't know these guys. I

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just watch them play football. So it's like Jeremy Fowler.
For example, ESPN, the Texans are calling into the top
first round to potentially move up, while their target is unclear.
One NFC executive predicts that Houston is interested in Calvin
Banks from Texas. So moving into the top ten or thereabouts,
and you know you also see and look, I understand

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everybody has a job to do, but Aaron Wilson Texans
have explored both trade up and trade back scenarios for
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, per NFL League sources. Again,
not a shot at Aaron or Jeremy Fowler. But so
Nick Asio is gonna do his job, is what you're
telling me. Like, when I see things like this, I'm
just like, I understand, you've got you've got a job

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to do, you've got content to put out. But I
would have more respect if you just said, hey, Nick
Asserio is an NFL GM.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
He's gonna make phone calls. Thanks.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
You'll get this a lot when you watch television. Hey,
well what do you think about the player? Well, he's
got it. He's pretty good. I don't know if he's
gonna be great, but he's got potential. If you know
they start doing so, basically they cover both sides. This
is what somebody they don't. They'll cover both sides and say, well,

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you know, they got a real chance. They could draft
this guy here and they could draft this guy there.
So basically, no matter what, you're gonna be able to
come back the next day and say told you told.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
You yeah, yeah, I think this guy's good. He could go.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
It's like when a doctor tells you, yeah, man, his
knee with the surgery was good. With the surgery, we
had great surgery. He came out fine. And his recovery
times between three and eight months. You're hear it all
the time.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
Did I say three months or three and a half
between all he recovered between six months and discomy?

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
Yeah, yeah, between six months and a year. Well, thank you,
thanks for pinning that down. It's the same here. You're
gonna be all over well, and then you'll go back
and the guy will have said something and say, well,
I told you that he had potential five years down
the road to be good. But I don't like you now,
but maybe five years down the road. Well, okay, just
just even if you're wrong, tell me something, tell me

(01:19:45):
something on TV stand out there. If you don't like
you don't like Shador Sanders for football reasons, or you
didn't you heard five gmsa that he didn't interview well,
or you watched him play and you said, you know what,
in these situations, he just wasn't good. Yeah, then that's
okay to say it, and you can come back and say,
but he's really good in the pocket under press, you
know when when when it's a clean pocket, whatever, But

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I love when, Oh yeah he could be. But he said, well,
it's gonna be one of these three quarterbacks, and you
know this guy could go first. This guy could go first,
and so could this guy. Well, thanks, captain obvious, they could.

Speaker 5 (01:20:16):
All go first. It's the old great, it's the old
Charlie Cassley. On the record, he's great. He can play well,
off the record, he's terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:20:24):
Right there you go. He can play. And that's the
that's the way it exists. So yeah, grades to me,
we all give him. It's like grades are basically how
I feel, not how the experts in their rooms are
feeling about them, or they wouldn't have drafted him. They're
all gonna give themselves a day and in their rooms.
Why because and every guy that's the guy we had

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target the fifth round, two hundredth pick, that that this
is the guy we had all along. We knew he
was going to be available with a two hundredth pick,
and he had him on our radar. We think he's
gonna be a hell of football.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
The NFL Draft is signing day in college football. We
love this class. It's a great class. Blah blah blah,
be our best ever. Yeah, it's all of those things,
all right.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
So while they're saying that they're about to go visit
the five star from the next year and tell him
that you're the best we've we've ever read for, Well,
the guy that's in the building, Yeah, you just told
him that, oh yesterday. Well, de recruitment, that's a real thing,
it is, and now you've got to keep recruiting them
even though once they're on campus.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
We can get into that a little bit later on.
But Michael Batton, former UH linebacker, could be one of
those guys that has their name called. This weekend, we
will talk to him right here on the Seawan Salisbury
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Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Okay, let's do this show on Salisbury.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
To USC troupe, longtime friend, Shawn Salisbury.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Dan, matthewscu Jesus. This is the Sewn Salsbury Show.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Rockets win nine to ninety four winners last night over
the Warriors, Astros three to one winners against the Blue Jays,
and the NFL Draft starting today in Green Bay. And
we're talking with the guy right now that knows about
this process leading up to it. He is former University
of Houston linebacker seven lakes product out of the Katie area,

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Michael Batton. Michael, what's going on? Man, appreciate your time.
You got me, Dan Matthews, You've got Sewan Salisbury here
with you, And I mean, you're a guy that knows
anything but a straight path in this game in terms
of having to switch positions, playing at different schools, all
of those different things. How do you feel like all
going through all that entire process prepared you for possibly

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having a pro career.

Speaker 9 (01:23:01):
Hey, guys and Sean, thank you, thank you for having
me on the show. Yeah, my path definitely hasn't been
a straight line. It's it's been quite a winding road.
But like you said, it definitely prepared prepared me for.

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
The next level.

Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
You know, it's not going to be easy at the
next level, and it definitely wasn't easy taking this path,
and I think all that adversity kind of created a lot,
stronger person that's prepared for anything. And I have the
confidence now to take the next step and take whatever
is going to come my way at the next level.

Speaker 6 (01:23:35):
Michael, you when you came out of high school and
played quarterback and you've played wide receiver, you've played linebacker,
played quarterback, and you were recruited, had no scholarship offers,
and so take me through that feeling. You know, you're
busting your ass in high school wanting an opportunity. Most
people that there are no offers going to college, get
your degree. It's time to move on from football.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
Why not you?

Speaker 7 (01:23:57):
Yeah, well, I actually thought, you know, that's what I
was going to do.

Speaker 9 (01:24:02):
You know, out of high school, like you said, I
didn't have many opportunities at all. All I had was
a walk on opportunity University Louisiana Lafayette.

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
I took that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:11):
It was only there for about a week or two,
and I just decided that maybe football wasn't for me.
It was a litt upset, you know, I couldn't play
quarterback anymore, and so yeah, I walked away from the
sport and I thought I'd never come back. And you
know that that year I took off back in twenty nineteen,
I was just living in College Station. I was going
to go to Blend Junior College up in Brian, which

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didn't have the football team. It was just strictly a
school and I was going to go to A and M.
But I quickly realized, you know, I might have made
a mistake and I kind of found my way back
back into football, and I think, you know, it was
really a blessing that they went that way, and I'm

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glad I got back into it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:57):
Was it was, it was it was that year.

Speaker 9 (01:25:00):
You know, I needed to take a break and kind
of put everything back into perspective, and it led me
back to the sport I love. And it's like like
we were saying, it's been a crazy ride, and I'm
glad I got back into it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:13):
And I'm glad I took that year off.

Speaker 9 (01:25:14):
It's everything I needed to kind of put things back
into perspective.

Speaker 6 (01:25:18):
How did you keep your self esteem intact? And I'm
being serire because a lot of you know, kids go
through and you've been beat down, you're not playing the
position you want. You go to school, you're only there
for a little bit, you know, Lafayette, and you're going
somewhere else you're done with it, and it gets you
know that feeling of man, I don't want to get cut.
I want to I didn't get a scholarship. I just
I'm fascinated with your resilience. And I think you went

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to what five schools, ended up at Houston Audible mentioned
all conference linebacker, finally found your position under coach Fritz.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
But the journey to get there.

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
Most of us, your path is the one we'd say,
if we're sitting on a radio show, say five schools,
come on, man, when's it done right? We would have
tried to talk to you out of it. How did
you stay involved in it? There had to be one
deciding moment where you said, nah, I got to continue
to prove to these guys I'm resilient.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
How'd you stick to well?

Speaker 7 (01:26:12):
You know, in the beginning, it was more about getting
my life back together. Stopping.

Speaker 9 (01:26:17):
Stepping away from football made me realize just how good
of an organization athletics.

Speaker 7 (01:26:23):
Really is at keeping your life straight.

Speaker 9 (01:26:25):
And when I stepped away from it, I saw that,
you know, I struggled with discipline and those kind of things.
So you know, I knew I was good at football
and that's kind of all I knew up to that
point in my life. And I was like, I just
want to get on a team, get my life back together,
and figure this whole thing out. And you know, I'm
going to put my best fo forward. And you know

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that's what I did. I started at HBU, and you know,
I didn't do too well there.

Speaker 7 (01:26:56):
I kind of fell flat on my face.

Speaker 9 (01:26:58):
I did end up getting into the quarterom, but when
springball came around in twenty twenty one, I was the
only quarterback, you know, not getting any reps.

Speaker 7 (01:27:08):
But I did learn two things. I realized I'm a
great athlete.

Speaker 8 (01:27:12):
I really am.

Speaker 9 (01:27:12):
I can't compete at this college level on the athletic level,
and I'm good enough to play quarterback. So you know,
that was kind of my rock bottom though, not getting
those reps. In spring practice. I was literally the only quarterback.
They wouldn't even let me throw routes on air. It
was kind of embarrassing. But it's funny. You know, when
you hit that rock bottom, you kind of I guess

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it humbles you, but it gives you, you know, a
new perspective on things, and I kind of just jumped
started from there.

Speaker 7 (01:27:42):
I realized, you know, I can play this sport.

Speaker 9 (01:27:46):
I'm athletic enough, and so at that route to JUCO,
and I had a really good season up in New York,
which the JUCO Nasau Community College was was in Long Island,
and I had one of my best years yet. And
you know, that's kind of how I kept myself with
steam up. I just took it one step at a time.

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And you know, unfortunately after that, I didn't really have
any offers. I had an offer to SCS school up.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
In the Wagner.

Speaker 9 (01:28:13):
I was going to go there, but there's a great
situation that didn't work out, an eligibility situation. They took
me off away and I was left with nothing. And
obviously that that hurt me a lot too, and I
felt like I was just back in that same situation I.

Speaker 7 (01:28:27):
Was after HBU.

Speaker 9 (01:28:29):
But at the same time, I still had that confidence
that I could play football. I still had three years left.
And one day a coach came calling from ULM saying
they'd love to have me as an athlete, special teams
player and on defense. And I kind of laughed at
the idea at first, but something in my heart was
telling me that this was a good opportunity I go

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play Division one football. I get, you know, continue pursuing
my degree, being a good program with the Brotherhood, and
that's what was most important to me still at that time,
and so I took that chance and I went, and
you know, right off the bat on fourth string, And
of course I'm a little upset with that, but it

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is what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
I know, you know, I'm a former quarterback. The dude're
probably like, who the hell is this guy, you know whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:29:20):
But luckily for me, the second team guy ended up
quitting two weeks into me getting there, and the third
screen guy was another walk on like me, And first
week in the fall camp, I moved up to the
second string spot. And throughout that year I was just
the twelfth man guy special teams. But by the ten
game of the season, I finally got my opportunity. The

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starter got hurt and had that game. I finished with
sixteen tackles fifteen so it was past deflection in a
forced fumble. And then the last two games and at
the last two games I also led the team and
tackles both those games, and I finished the season with
forty five tackles, which was fifth on the team. In
pretty much three games. So when you talk about self esteem,

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at that point it started to come.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
Along, went right right. Your production was off the charts.

Speaker 9 (01:30:08):
Yes, sir, and you know, stepping into that next season,
I got put on scholarship right after the season, started
feeling real good about myself and real confident in my capabilities.

Speaker 7 (01:30:20):
Led the team and tackles.

Speaker 9 (01:30:21):
That next year at ULM, was defensive player of the year,
was a captain. Unfortunately, a team did real bad, you know,
and that's kind of when you know, me and my
father kind of had some conversations about hitting the portal,
and obviously that led me to Houston.

Speaker 7 (01:30:38):
I didn't think I would get any of these these
big offers.

Speaker 9 (01:30:41):
But they kind of started coming in and I was
very blessed, and Houston just made sense, you know, close
to home and an opportunity to rewrite my history and
my failures that were at HBU.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Yeah. Michael Batton again, former UH linebacker, joining us here
getting ready for the draft, and Michael part of that process.
You go the Big twelve Pro day, you run a
four five three forty. You also broad jump ten feet
two inches, best among the linebackers there at Big twelve
Pro day ninety tackles last year on the field. I mean,
you know you throw all that together when you're talking

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with teams. I mean, is it just as simple as
you tell them? Hey, watch my tape. It shows.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:31:27):
I wish it was that simple, but unfortunately it's not.

Speaker 9 (01:31:31):
You know, I'm fighting fighting different things, you know, with
my size, and you know how that goes. Sean, you
know you're a former NFL player.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
Absolutely, but I think you.

Speaker 9 (01:31:43):
Know, at the end of the day, my film it
is the end all be all, and I have really
good film. I think I have some of the best
film in this draft class.

Speaker 7 (01:31:53):
Thankfully.

Speaker 9 (01:31:53):
At the pro day, like you mentioned, I ran really
fast four or five three, and that's was a big
question about me. They knew I was quick, they could
see it on film. They wanted to know just how
fast it was. And I needed to be as quick
and as fast as possible because there is a concern
about my size. I think it's a little bs but

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that's just part of the game and that's okay. So
but I checked all the boxes that I could possibly check.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
My film is really amazing and I'm excited to see
where this will take me.

Speaker 6 (01:32:30):
Michael think about this five schools didn't get recruited out
of high school.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
Come here.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
If you play great, go to juco find your way
through to the coach Fritch's team of Houston. Now we're
on the morning of the draft and you're somehow, some way,
regardless of the free agents are getting drafted somewhere. You're
going to be putting on an NFL uniform training camp.
The road you've been on, you've got to be fired up.
So thoughts today about possible round, what they've told you,

(01:32:58):
and where you're as today heading into what right now is?
I mean for you, you've been through plenty of adversity,
but what a great reward to be able to anticipate
this day for you.

Speaker 9 (01:33:10):
Yeah, certainly, it's still hard to believe. I think it's
still setting in that like the draft is today. But
you know, I got at least twelve teams interested. I
mean twelve teams that have made contact with me and
showed some strong interests.

Speaker 7 (01:33:25):
So you know, things are looking pretty good.

Speaker 9 (01:33:29):
I think early as our fall is a fifth round,
but you know, I think I'll be anywhere from fifth
round to seventh round.

Speaker 7 (01:33:37):
To priority free agent. Should if I don't get drafted.

Speaker 9 (01:33:42):
I should be getting that, getting several calls right after
the seventh round, and so yeah, obviously I'm very excited.
I feel very blessed. Things are definitely coming full circle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:33:54):
To be able to start in Houston, come all the
way back, play like I did, and to be on
this stage is it's really a dream come true. And
I think it's just a lesson and just putting your
best foot forward and everything that you do and God
kind of leads you down a path that maybe you

(01:34:15):
didn't expect and sometimes it's a lot better than what
you had planned. But you know, obviously I'm excited and
I'm thankful, but at the end of the day, I
won't be pleased until I make that fifty three man roster.

Speaker 7 (01:34:27):
So this is really just step one of a long,
long process.

Speaker 6 (01:34:32):
See, Michael, the transfer portal was set up for stuff
like this. You know, when somebody says five schools, everybody,
oh my gosh, was he chasing nil money? Your whole
thing was chasing an opportunity and you had to switch
positions to do it. And these are the stories everybody
wants to hear. But for you, yeah, it's a feel good.
But the feel good is getting getting paid on Sundays
and going to knocking people around. So with that in mind,

(01:34:53):
were you given Is there somebody, family member, coach, player
advice you were given not just to get to this point,
but in your preparation and expectations, advice you were given
as you prepare to embrace a chance to play in
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:35:09):
Absolutely. One thing I've mentioned on several different.

Speaker 9 (01:35:13):
Radio shows and some people that I've talked to about
this journey, and it's something my father told me.

Speaker 7 (01:35:18):
I think it's so simple, but it really resonated with me.

Speaker 9 (01:35:21):
Was he told me that it's not about winning or losing,
it's about trying. And the reason that resonated with me
so much is because I think I was so paralyzed
with fear of failure in high school that held me
back so much that you know, it was more about, Oh,
I don't want to look bad versus all. I want
to go out there and be the best I can be,

(01:35:41):
and whatever happens happened, because at the end of the day,
if you give it your all, if you try, you
prepared as much as possible, you can't lose it, no
matter the outcome. And so Once I took that mentality
into this life and into this game, everything took off
from me. So that would be the one thing that

(01:36:02):
really kept me going and is keeping me going.

Speaker 5 (01:36:05):
Now, all right, real quick and we'll let you go.
We can't thank you enough for coming on. Your story
is so fascinating and I hope it culminates in this
next few days of excitement for you.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
This approach to it is, did you grow up a
Texans fan? Be honest, now, if you were putting a
jersey on that, I said, hey man, you get to
put a jersey on your team, who would it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:30):
Be well to tell you the truth?

Speaker 9 (01:36:34):
I actually did grow up in Denver, Colorado during my
elementary days and been to Denver game.

Speaker 7 (01:36:43):
So that's one team that would definitely be a blessing.

Speaker 9 (01:36:45):
Unfortunately they haven't contacted me, but I have always been
a Denver fan. But of course I moved to Houston
here back in twenty eleven, and I've been a Houston
fan ever since.

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
You know, how could you not wrap your hometown team.

Speaker 8 (01:36:58):
Putting on the.

Speaker 9 (01:36:59):
Houston Texans would just really put things into full circle
and I think would really even be a cooler story.

Speaker 7 (01:37:06):
And you know, I went to their local day.

Speaker 9 (01:37:07):
I got to meet Tamiko Ryans, the DC, the linebacker coach,
and walk around their facility and just super cool. For
obvious reasons, putting on the Texans jersey would definitely be
a blessing And hopefully they can give me an off
or or draft me. I think they'd be very pleased

(01:37:28):
with what I can do for them as an organization.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
Well, man, what a what a fascinating story, and your
resilience is pretty damn special, so getting in that uniform
I have. I don't think any of us are going
to question the fact that you will finalize that goal
of a fifty three man roster. But we're so greatfull
you spend time with us. Man, I hope this weekend
is a life changer for you and and validates all
the hard work and time you've put in to continue

(01:37:53):
to believe. Man, it's great and we we're pulling for you.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
And now now that we got you on, we would
imagine that when you're out there making Pro Bowls, that
anytime we call, you are coming on the radio with
us without without saying no, I don't have time for
you guys, fair enough.

Speaker 9 (01:38:06):
Absolutely, I love doing this stuff. And I really appreciate
y'all getting me on the show. So certainly I'm making
those Pro Bowls, getting in them Super Bowls.

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
Just just give me a call, right, we'll do that, Michael.
Congratulations and good luck. We sure appreciate you, brother, Thank
you all right, guys, you appreciate it. Great, what a
great story. No, absolutely, this is Trent. This is why
you know who wakes up wants to play quarterbacks. I
think I'll go to Nassau and play and play somewhere. Yeah,

(01:38:36):
and then okay, then I think I'll go to Juco
and then I'll go go to Louis Animal, and then
I mean and have to change positions play three.

Speaker 5 (01:38:43):
But the fact that when he says athlete, he's not kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:38:45):
Now to be able to play quarterback, wide receiver and
linebacker and now excel as a linebacker, that hybrid situation,
and to be able to wrote the post of four
or five. This is an interesting story. This is the
resilience why the portal guys at no time here mentioned money. Yeah,
the whole time was just just an opportunity, self esteem,
psychological things. He was going through some tough times, right,

(01:39:07):
his rock his sports rock bottom I'm fascinated by it
and easy to.

Speaker 5 (01:39:11):
Pull for really good football player.

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
But the fact that he started at Seven Lakes as
a quarterback and been to five different schools, well, I
can't stand guys just leaving for money in the transfer portal.
This is why the portal exists, to have guys an
opportunity that some weren't going to give him. Willie Fritz
did paid off and the guy will be playing on
Sundays if everything works out well. Yeah, speaking of the
evaluation process, something we'll talk about in this hour that

(01:39:35):
really stood out to me yesterday and also too coming
up in ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:39:38):
Eric at Holme NFL dot com. I'm going to be
joining us here on the Sean Salisbury Show. Will continue next.

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Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Lore Sean Salisbury on Sports Talk seven ninety were Astros
and Rockets play and real Texans talk.

Speaker 5 (01:41:28):
And they said NFL Draft Round one tonight. Texan's currently
slated to pick twenty fifth. But Sean, we've also gotten
into a little bit of Astros. We can't leave our
good buddy, uh, Brandon waiting for too long. So Brandon,
good morning buddy. How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Good morning?

Speaker 7 (01:41:44):
So I was drinking coffee.

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
Awesome. Well, you know it's an important part of the
morning for sure. How about the Stros. Hey, we swep the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Toronto.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
That's it, that's it.

Speaker 8 (01:41:56):
No, they.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
Yeah, you know what they came. They came with the
we we brought the brooms. They left with the l's.
That's that's the way it goes. But that's more like it, right, Brandon, yepy.

Speaker 7 (01:42:09):
I was watching the Walcketts game last night.

Speaker 5 (01:42:11):
And what'd you think?

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Good one for them, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
How about Jalen Green.

Speaker 8 (01:42:19):
He hit more braze.

Speaker 5 (01:42:21):
There you go, it was it was hard to not
do better than what he didn't do. On Sunday, that's
for sure. But uh now that's that's that's more like
it from our Stros and Rockets, right Brandon.

Speaker 7 (01:42:31):
Yep, good morning, Sean.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
How are you doing well? Brandon? Thank you? Yeah, good
night of sports last night. Man, I hope you're well.
Is doing the same yep?

Speaker 7 (01:42:44):
Is off today?

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
Yep, yep, both off. Astros back out tomorrow against the
Royals in Kansas City and then the Rockets Saturday in
the Bay Area.

Speaker 7 (01:42:53):
No, what, let's one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:56):
I like it, Brandon. I like we your head zat, buddy.
Enjoy that call. You will talk to you soon.

Speaker 8 (01:43:00):
Okay, Yeah, I talked to you all right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
You're a good man. Yeah, I mean, just things all
the way around. Pretty good and coffee. He's giving you
a quick answer, rolling more threes. They're off. Let's go
get up two to one. I mean he's he is
on fire, direct and to the point. Love it. That's
the way we want it. Bringing it. Tripley tells you
you got sixty seconds and then keep it to one

(01:43:25):
and then some people here you know you know what
that is, Tripley. It's because I used to do your
job and it always cracks me up, Like if we
ever give away prizes and you tell somebody what they won,
Oh man, you don't have any more of them rockets tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
No, I just told you what you want.

Speaker 5 (01:43:40):
Yep. It gets to a point where I finally was like,
you know what, don't worry about it. That's that's always
the best with people like that, don't you know? You
know what, don't worry about it. It's okay, Yeah, I'll
see if somebody else wants.

Speaker 6 (01:43:51):
Do you like when Tripley says one topic, keep it Chris,
and they give you five topics. No, that's the least
opposite of it. Opposite. So you know, say we're having
a conversation, Rand know's on fire. That coffee's got him
roll into it.

Speaker 5 (01:44:05):
It is it is, yeah already. So if you have
one cup of coffee, what's in your coffee? Just cream,
just half and a half. That's it. Yeah, I drink
I drink my coffee pretty much like I like my bourbon,
just unimpeded. Yeah, but you don't do you put one
cube in your bourbon? A neat gun? Yeah? Man? Maybe
maybe just a splash of water. Because although I once

(01:44:27):
I once tried to order a particular high end brand
of bourbon, and I thought that the bartender was gonna
shoot me. He was like, it's just cheapening a high
end spirit. But he's telling you that. I mean, I
love my neat, but he's telling you what your preference
should be. I said. I said, buddy, it's a splash.
It's just a of the gun and that's all it is.

(01:44:47):
And oh, by the way, it is my money, and
I will like to drink it the way i'd like.
Now I'm with him, I'm not I'm not putting I'm
not putting ice in it either. More I have before,
but it wouldn't be mostly it's neat. But I'm like,
so you you're telling me how I'm supposed to spend
my money and take for my drink that you have
never met me, but you tell me what to drake.
It's like real quick, It's like the bartender and land

(01:45:09):
man that was giving them the hard time about I
quit drinking. Oh, well that's got alcohol and it there's
more alcohol and orange juice. Yeah, it gives them a hundred.
You want change for that? I can't believe you asked
that with a straight face, exactly about yeah, do you
want a tip? A ninety dollar tip. So yeah, the
the crispness is important.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
So you're a coffee guy, oh huge, and you like
just cream in it. That's it. That's the way.

Speaker 6 (01:45:34):
Give me a cube and coffee. I mean, I like
my coffee black, but give me a cube and coffee
and I'm good. That's good coffee.

Speaker 7 (01:45:41):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
I never had When Dan Levittard turned me onto that
Super Bowl and he brought me one in the morning, Yeah,
fires you out, dude. I'm like, can I get this
sent to the house. Yeah, it's it's down there in
South Florida, right Miami, and it's like, damn, I need
this in my life. So yeah, I'm black the coffee
that like Brando felt like that coffee hit right today.
You know you get that filing where this one hit
right yep.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
I like that man. He was he was a matter
of fact.

Speaker 8 (01:46:05):
Uh he was.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
He was as solid as he's ever been. Pressure's good
for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:11):
There we go.

Speaker 7 (01:46:12):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
Eric at Home NFL Media join us next right here.
It talks some NFL draft here on The Sean Salisbury Show.
The Shawn Salisbury Show continued Eric at Home. You can
find him on Twitter at Eric Underscore at Home, part
of NFL Media NFL dot Com. Eric, as we sit

(01:46:34):
here in Houston at the moment they are set to
pick twenty five. There are, you know, reports out there
that they could move up. I mean, it's draft a
anything can pretty much happen, But is offensive line pretty
much where you're set with the Texans wherever they do
decide to select tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Yeah, I think I think that's the position I'm most
looking at.

Speaker 16 (01:46:53):
I mean, I could could see a receiver, you know,
I could obviously see a defensive lineman or some sort,
but that seems to be the position I kind of
default to when I've done my mocks or when I've
sort of projected that range a little bit. And you know,
it's gonna be interesting to see who's available and how
the medical, especially reports come back on some of the players,

(01:47:16):
and also you know who's going to be available. I mean,
I thought maybe Gray's abel would be in that range
for him.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
Tyler Booker.

Speaker 16 (01:47:25):
But you know, the thing that I've sort of figured
out in the last forty eight seventy two hours is
that teams have such different grades on a lot of
these guys. It's really hard to kind of plant people
in the right area. You're trying to get them close,
but it's hard to figure out who'll be available. I
do think a good lineman will be there for him, though,
so it could make the decision relatively easy.

Speaker 6 (01:47:47):
Hey, Eric, if they want to now with that big
guy at that spot at twenty five, interior guy, can
you get a Can you get a ten year starter
with the twenty fifth pick? At least on the surface
here with all the draft mock draft stuff, can you
get a good tackle at twenty five that you can
pencil in and play? Even though this team it feels

(01:48:07):
like by getting Cam Robinson they're not looking for that yet,
but apparently they got to go up and get a
young stud because he may not be long for the position.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you can look at it
two ways.

Speaker 16 (01:48:17):
You might be able to get the media in tiers
starter with a guy like Tyler Booker is able, you
might be able to get a tackle there.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
I don't you know.

Speaker 16 (01:48:24):
Kelvin Banks is an interesting player, obviously, grew up about
twenty minutes down the road YEP from the Texas facility.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Local kid.

Speaker 16 (01:48:33):
You know you handle your business against will and Anderson
in your second college game. You've got some chops to you.
I'm a little surprised there hasn't been more buzz for him.
I think the issue has been garter tackle teams sort
of see it differently.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
I would at least try him out there.

Speaker 16 (01:48:48):
I think he's an option, especially for a team like
that where maybe he's playing a different position next year.
You know, you cross trade him in a couple of
different spots and sort of see where they fit.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
I think that would be a, you know, a perfectly
fine way to go about it.

Speaker 16 (01:49:02):
You know, Jonathan Ogden played left guard for a year
if we remember all those years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
But uh, it can happen, right, and so I would.

Speaker 16 (01:49:09):
I would think that if that opportunity exists, they would
certainly look into it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:14):
Yeah, and Eric, I'm not out on I'm greedy as
a quarterback. I want to protect the quarterback. You never
give me receivers.

Speaker 5 (01:49:21):
It can go play.

Speaker 6 (01:49:22):
I'm if they had the fourth let's say that was
the fourth lineman on their board available at twenty five,
and the second receiver. Because I'm a big like love guy.
If I like you, I'm not sure I'm taking you.
If I love you, I don't care what anybody else says.
I'm taking you because I've done my due diligence, So
I'm not convinced.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
Nor should I be.

Speaker 6 (01:49:40):
If there's a good receiver like a Buka from Ohio
State and the lineman, you're kind of wondering, why not
take a receiver there as well?

Speaker 16 (01:49:48):
Yeah, I mean, that's the other position that I've that
I've thought about there, and you know, getting somebody to
replace what we saw the difference with and without digs,
you know, and obviously with and without an ECO that
matter too when he was hurt, so you know, obviously
that's that's something you can't overlook. The funny thing that
seems to be you know, normally the second or third
receiver in a draft would be somebody inside the top

(01:50:12):
twenty receiver corner. You know, we see a lot of
that position typically in the top twenty picks.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
This year not so much. You know, there might be
one or two receivers one or two corners.

Speaker 16 (01:50:23):
You know, it's hard to kind of the real value
of both those positions might be on day two. So
you might be able to, I mean you might depending
on who's there. And Buka is so solid, so polished.
I think he's going to end up being a really
good slot in the NFL, but you could play him
outside that. You know, do we like that or do

(01:50:43):
we take eighty five ninety percent of that type of
prospect in round two? And whereas the lineman drop off
pretty precipitously after a certain point.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
I think that's going to happen, maybe midway through Day two.

Speaker 5 (01:50:58):
Eric had Holme again NFL meeting. You can find them
at NFL dot com on Twitter as well. Eric underscore
at home and I mean, you know, we talked about
the possibilities of Nick Assario and the Texans Eric being
aggressive on day one, but with you know, the three
other top one hundred picks they are going to have.
I mean, do you feel like maybe it's more of
a target of you trade back in the round two

(01:51:20):
or you know, you try to move up even further
in round three. I mean, do you think that maybe
that's a more logical spot that Nick Casseio could go.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
Yeah, totally possible.

Speaker 16 (01:51:30):
Right Obviously, this this feels like a draft that you know,
maybe there aren't a ton of trades up top. Maybe
there are, I don't know, but after a certain point,
I could see the activity really ramping up. In fact,
talk to somebody last night who said a lot of
the calls that they were making were with those those
day two scenarios, Right, what would it take to move

(01:51:50):
up from you know, thirty something to twenty something, What
would it take to move down from that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Spot midway to the round or whatever.

Speaker 16 (01:52:00):
So a lot of the kind of the cross check
calls last night seemed to be on that front.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
So yeah, I absolutely could see that as a possibility.

Speaker 16 (01:52:08):
And again, this is a draft where it feels like
the lack of blue players, the true top tier guys
is really kind of glaring. But the depth at certain
spots is pretty nice. I think there are a lot
of solid players in this draft. I mean, the longer I've.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Gone, the more I've actually appreciated this draft class.

Speaker 16 (01:52:27):
And that day too, could end up being a real,
you know, kind of a heavy lifting day for certain
teams that understand that value.

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
Eric, you and I, let's let's go around the league.
I'm the coach, but you're the GM, and you're making
a final decision. We're sitting in a room and we
got a top ten pick, and I say to you,
all right, Shador Sanders, what do you say, I say.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
We can wait. That's what I have been able to gather.

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
I know I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth.

Speaker 16 (01:52:57):
I had them nights in my mock draft that I
turned in on Saturday, and Saturday feels like about nine
weeks ago the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Side. And isn't it funny guys when you you do.

Speaker 16 (01:53:08):
Your final mock or whatever, you turn it in, then
you show a few people and they say, well, that's
not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
I can tell you right now that isn't gonna happen.

Speaker 16 (01:53:15):
One of the isn't gonna happen things is at least
what someone told me with Shuitar at nine. I put
him there because I thought, boy, he's gonna go at
some point. I don't know where, you know, just does
Pittsburgh take him at twenty one of those two scenarios,
that feels more likely that he would go somewhere in
that range. I suspect it's not a trade up situation.

(01:53:36):
I think there are enough people who like Suar that
he has a real good chance of being drafted tonight.
But also that like love thing you were talking about,
I don't know that there's a lot of love right for.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Sure, singers the prospect.

Speaker 7 (01:53:50):
And so.

Speaker 16 (01:53:52):
I feel like it's gonna be the ladder half or
the latter third of round one if it does happen tonight.
So if I'm sitting at nine, let's say just to
use that top ten spot, I'm saying we can wait,
we can take a different football player here, try to
swing up for round two if that option is still.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Available, or sweat it out and see how far he falls.
So that's gonna be an interesting one right there.

Speaker 6 (01:54:17):
Okay, Now, and I don't usually as the coach, I
don't usually subscribe to a first round running back, especially
in the top ten. But some guys, some cats are
just different. And we saw the impact Barkley and Joe
Mixon made here, Barkley Cook in Buffalo, Derek Henry with
Lamar jacksonstr running backs emerged again. I mean they've been
doing it, but they kind of revalued themselves. I think

(01:54:39):
I think Ashton genty special now. So I bring him
up to you and I say, can he change our
program offensively? Do we draft him? What do you say?

Speaker 16 (01:54:49):
I think at that point, Yeah, I'm a little ambivalent
on this one. I'm the one man I say yes,
for all the reasons you just pointed out. I mean,
I think he's as good a back as we've seen,
or very close to as good a back as we've
seen in the draft since Barkley, the one guy I
think I would have had a slightly higher.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
Grade on him.

Speaker 16 (01:55:07):
You know, the way I do it is a little
a little different than other people, But I would say
Bijon was maybe just a tiny bit higher right in
my mind coming into the league. But again, I you know,
look at Bucky Irving in Tampa, how he changed their
run game too. I mean, Josh Jacobs in Green Bay,
all the guys you mentioned, Derrick Henry, whoever. You know,

(01:55:27):
the run game has been kind of cycling back into
the league for a few years now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
As defense has went lighter and faster, they're going to
load up on big guys.

Speaker 16 (01:55:36):
And you know, I think the value of the running
back has always been a little bit of an oversouled topic.
But in this day and age, they can catch passes,
block them on third downs, also run the ball twenty
times a game. To me, that if they're special, if
they can be worth that high page.

Speaker 6 (01:55:55):
Yep, yeah, I think we're on the exact same page. Okay,
the biggest Gary, if we're sitting around and I say
I need one that I pencil in now, I'll see
you in a decade that I know he's going to
be a hell of a player that if he's even
isn't great, he's still gonna start for us. He's that good.
Who in this draft is your closest to can't miss
in this draft?

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
At running back?

Speaker 8 (01:56:17):
Here?

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
Anywhere, no, anywhere, any position, I don't care if it's
guard or soid safety. Who's the guy that you say tonight, tomorrow,
any day do you say, yeah, any day can be
today can be the first. I don't care who it
is or what position? Did I say that? I know
there's no guarantees, but this is about as close as
it gets.

Speaker 5 (01:56:35):
Who is that?

Speaker 8 (01:56:36):
Look?

Speaker 16 (01:56:37):
I mean Travis Hunter? To me, he's one hundred and
eighty three pounds. You got to point that out right.
That's one big concern for me. Is like a guy
trying to do it both ways full time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
To me, I don't think it happens. I think it's
going to be stronger on one side of the ball
than it is on the other. But he's almost kind
of bust proof. I mean, I know it sounds crazy,
but when you have a guy who.

Speaker 16 (01:56:57):
Enters the draft who is rated as I think very
clearly the top corner and the top wide receiver. Granted,
both of those classes we said earlier, not as top
heavy as usual, but still, come on, I mean, I
just I don't, you know, I don't know how he
fails in the NFL. Like he may not be the
special transcendent, you know, otherworldly creature that we've made him

(01:57:20):
out to be in some ways, but I would be
shocked if he isn't. With that electric pic athleticism, the
ball in his hands, he looks special, you know, his
ability to take the football away on defense. I think
he's gonna end up being a really good player.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
I think it's going to be a blast to watch him.

Speaker 5 (01:57:36):
Yeah, his ball skills are off the charts, man.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
No.

Speaker 8 (01:57:39):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:57:40):
Eric at home again NFL media joining us here on
the Seawan Salisbury Show. Find him on Twitter at Eric
Underscore at home, Eric, get some rest before the nights.
And we appreciate you squeezing us. And today, my man,
you always do such great do such great work. We
appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Thank you. Have a great night today and hope you
get all the blockers and passes.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
Yeah, give us all, give them all to us Christmas
Day for football fans. Yeah, you hope that the right
president is underneath the tree. Yeah, absolutely, time man, for sure,
for sure. So uh, the fruits of that labor to
pay off tonight. Absolutely. All right.

Speaker 6 (01:58:16):
Uh, this is not a superstar draft filled at least
going in, but pretty deep at certain positions.

Speaker 8 (01:58:23):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:58:23):
I'll talk about into the third round, fourth throw, but
it doesn't it doesn't feel like it has that oh
my gosh flair, right, And I think a lot of
it has to do because the questions on the quarterbacks,
well usually does.

Speaker 5 (01:58:33):
You know part of the questions is what goes into
evaluations And what if I told you there's a new
evaluation in the league. We'll discuss that right here. Sean
Salisbury Show, You're back. This is the Sean Salisbury Show.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
You back at it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:48):
On Jay Glazer, I think we can agree he's a guy,
you know, kind of like you know, we trust Eric
at home, and uh, you know what he brings to
his job. I think we can say the same about Glazier,
right in terms of his information, his relationships, all those things.
He's got sure. He threw this out last night on Twitter,
and I thought it was interesting and it reads interesting
thing that came up in my draft prep calls. For years,

(01:59:10):
teams have pulled players off their board for two reasons
A injuries, B character concerns. But throughout his calls, a
third category has been added, and most teams I've talked
with had guys off their board for quote doesn't love football.
So the first year it was so prevalent. I asked
around and this was the thought. It was because of name,

(01:59:32):
image and likeness, money and I owe money. Guys have
already been paid and some feel they don't need to
grind it to get paid. So the guys who and
all quote and all Caps love football are probably appreciated
more just an interesting tidbit to pass along. So now,
I mean, as we've talked about with name, image and likeness,
the transfer portal, all of these different things, it's now

(01:59:53):
part of the draft process for teams of looking at
these guys and wondering, hey, if we get this guy here,
is he gonna feel like he's already done this and
you know, doesn't have anything else to accomplish, Or are
we getting somebody that still has that fire inside it. Well,
I think it's real.

Speaker 6 (02:00:10):
College kids are making more than a guy that coaches him,
so when they get to the NFL, the natural thing is, oh,
I make more than my coordinator. I'll make more than
the guy who Just think about this, there's a freshman
quarterback in this country, Well, Nico is two point five
million dollars at Tennessee. He's not going to have a

(02:00:31):
quarterback coach that'll ever coach him that makes that money.
There may be a quarterback coach in the league makes
seven fifty or a million bucks nobody. And that's as
a freshman at Tennessee right before he left. So the
natural is when it gets down to decision making time,
if you're a young guy and you go in and
you've had a red carpet rolled out.

Speaker 5 (02:00:52):
I'm just using him as an example.

Speaker 6 (02:00:53):
Could be anybody and he waltz into a building and
you're making more man And I know it shouldn't be
based on money, but a lot of people base it
on money. Hence why people travel, I mean transfer all
the time. And somebody's paying you more, the natural reaction.

Speaker 5 (02:01:05):
Is, oh, he's on me. I make more than you, dude,
who do you think is going First, I made more
than you was a freshman in college and I hadn't
played it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:12):
I hadn't played a snap of football that so I
do think this is real. I'm telling you now, and
this is as sure as I'm sitting here that since
I've you know, training quarterbacks and doing it. And if
I'm was to talk to a guy about the draft,
if I was in an interview process and I do
this to my quarterbacks, I need.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
To know.

Speaker 6 (02:01:33):
One of the first questions I'll ask. I don't care
about your height and weight. When I'm talking to the dad,
does he love football? If the dad loves football and
the kid doesn't want to play, and the mom or
the dad or sending him to me, it's going to
be I mean, I'd like to think that I can
make it fun for him and teach that we're going
to be good. So give him love for it. If
he doesn't love it, eventually it's going to come to

(02:01:57):
a head. It'll be easy to make excuses to show
up to the workout. It'll be easy to say I'll
do it once a month. It's easy to do. So
it's it's only natural. I am one hundred percent with
Jay Glazer and anybody doing it. If you don't love football,
it goes back to what I say, And if you
don't know, look it up. The difference between intrinsic and extrinsic.

(02:02:20):
Michael Batton on today, what kind of player you think
he is? You think you're playing for the awards or
you think he's playing for the fact that he's battling
himself with all these the competition to get a chance
to play.

Speaker 5 (02:02:29):
Of course you want to get paid. What drives him? Oh,
for sure, it's the former numbs It's absolutely right. Intrinsic
player extrinsic. Eventually you eliminate yourself, no matter how talented
you are. I'm just telling you.

Speaker 6 (02:02:41):
Playing for awards and pub and praise, it's fine and dandy.
But the truth of the matter is, and we've heard
that say, if you take can Dion set it, play great,
play because you love it, Play because you want to
dominate it. The money takes care of itself at that level.
It always does. And now you can say the high
school kid play well on Friday nights, you're gonna get

(02:03:02):
paid on Saturday. We're staying that now to an eighteen
year old. So I do believe it's real. I don't
think there's a rare guy that's so gifted that can
play his whole career just for money and for all
that stuff. Is an extrens an extrinsic guy and still
surviving those guys. Don't that those are few and far
between at some point in time. And I know it

(02:03:25):
sounds kind of oh, that's romantic and sexy and rich
to say you're playing because you love it, But as
your career extends, Brady couldn't have lasted as long as
he did if he didn't love it. Because you know why,
the off seasons are easy to get out of shay
and say, you know what, I don't want to do
that off season commitment. Right, Money has the same effect

(02:03:45):
on people. It makes you a little too cozy at times.
Not everybody, but some. If you don't love football, I'll
be honest with you. I'll take give me a seven
point five who loves football and is there on time
intrinsic player over the nine point five talent who's a

(02:04:06):
sometimer who shows up when he wants, not literally but figuring,
and sometimes doesn't practical, is not into it, falls asleep
in a meeting room because he knows he's starting. Give
me that guy, he'll eventually eliminate himself. Can't sustain greatness
for that long by being an extrinsic guy, the rare one.
Maybe maybe with a guy like Randy Moss's talent. Randy

(02:04:27):
Moss love football. Now you combine them both the guys
in the Hall of Fame. So I'm one hundred percent.
If I know you don't love it, doesn't mean you
have to go watch it on your free time. I'm
not a bit when I was playing, you watch it.

Speaker 5 (02:04:38):
But I get why guys in their offseason don't want
to watch it, or if they don't make the players
don't want to watch I get it.

Speaker 6 (02:04:44):
Or a high school kid he says, I don't watch football.
That's okay, as long as you study your craft and
your opponent.

Speaker 1 (02:04:49):
I'm in.

Speaker 5 (02:04:50):
Give me the seven and a half intrinsic player who
loves football.

Speaker 6 (02:04:54):
I'm gonna beat you more than you're gonna beat me
over the long haul than the dude who doesn't but
is playing four pub money reasons, I'll beat you more
than you beat me, and plus i'll hit you in
the mouth more than you hit me.

Speaker 5 (02:05:05):
You just teed me up for Dion's famous saying look good,
play good, play good. They pay good, pay good, You
live good, live good, you die good. Right, and you
don't have any at least the financial stress is not
in your life. And of course that's what you play for.
We all get a job to earn a good living.
But in any job, if you didn't love this, dude,
a three thirty wake up call, you can't see it's

(02:05:26):
not I'm just saying we're working construction or grinding like that.
But you couldn't come here every day. No, you'd eventually
after a year you'd say, Sean, I love doing it,
but the grinds. I don't want to get my lifestyles too.
I'm here to post for you.

Speaker 7 (02:05:40):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (02:05:40):
I'm here, buddy, right, and.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
I know that.

Speaker 5 (02:05:43):
So it's the same pro you draft a guy that
doesn't love football. I didn't say, watched it when he
was in college, doesn't love it. I'll give me the
seven point five who does, and I'll beat you. College
is a business now and somebody wants to remind people
of that. We'll discuss that here at nine o'clock hour ahead.
Shawn Salisbury Show.

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Speaker 5 (02:07:03):
Sweep their A series against the Blue Jays, three one
win last night, Rockets one O nine to ninety four
winners over the Warriors. That series is even in the
NFL Trap coming up tonight. All three of these things
we can cover right now our Thursday visit with our
good buddy Chris Gordy courtesy a Carbox Brewing, and Gordy
was in the building last night over there at Toyota

(02:07:25):
Center doing pre and post. Everything in between was there
any urge whatsoever to join in on the Draymond chance
God he or did you or did you drop a
few F bomb?

Speaker 13 (02:07:39):
I didn't do it last night, but it wouldn't I
wouldn't look down on anybody who did.

Speaker 12 (02:07:44):
He's a dirt bag, man. I saw somebody tweet this out.

Speaker 13 (02:07:47):
They're like, look, he's he's the villain and he embraces that,
and it's it's a you love him if he's on
your team, you hate him he's on the other team
and all that. But when did he just become a jerk?
That's what somebody tweeted last night. I was like, that's
a great point, Like you could play the villain and
all this, but now he's just a downright jerk, like
just an ass hat. Like, dude, get like, look at

(02:08:08):
a mirror and real and ask yourself, what do I
want to be remembered for? And like so many fan
bases and everybody who are just gonna remember him for
just being an ass hat. So yeah, man, look, if
this series goes seven, God help everybody, because I may
jump out of the stands and struggle.

Speaker 6 (02:08:23):
M I can't believe nobody's fighting him. I may be
getting kicked out because we're throwing. Man, it just gets
to the points like enough, dude, this is I understand
the concept of making sure you stay in the game
the rest, but he drives me crazy and Gordy to
answer your question, I think maybe, and I have a
lot of respect over the years for his game and
his grind, but I think the closer you get to

(02:08:43):
losing your skill set for him, the more of a
prick you become. And he's You're right, it's no longer
just an agitator. It almost feels like it's desperate and
he's become just a on the court. No, No, he's
a bad guy on the court about he just is.
So maybe that's it. Maybe the skills are waning, so
he makes it even worse now, but he's been like

(02:09:04):
this forever. It's just it feels worse because his skills
are less.

Speaker 13 (02:09:09):
Well, in that case, you become a master baiter, right,
you just want to bait people, you want you wanna
sorry with the pun.

Speaker 5 (02:09:16):
There, that was well delivered. Good job. The pause was
a triple hyphen So you're good, very good.

Speaker 13 (02:09:24):
Well, you get what I'm saying, Like he's trying debate
Tarry Easton, he is trying to debate you, and I.

Speaker 12 (02:09:29):
Think the guys know that. I think he may's coached
him on that.

Speaker 13 (02:09:31):
But even Tari last night you could see him going, dude,
I want to punch you so bad. And finally Jalen
did kind of throw a punch out him there late
in the game and he got you know, he got
the foul call. But like god, it is just the jawing.
And then the Kelly Eco posted a video at one
point when he's on the bench of the game is over,
he is getting up and having.

Speaker 12 (02:09:50):
Words with fans in the stands like just stop, dude.

Speaker 13 (02:09:53):
Like and I don't know why the league protects him
like he gets away with so much because I guess
he set the bar so high for what's tolerable. But
it's like, my god, like I wish the rest would
just send a message from early in the game and go,
you do any of this crap, We're called a foul,
We're jecting your ass.

Speaker 12 (02:10:10):
Clean it up.

Speaker 5 (02:10:11):
It's it's too much, yeah, both of you guys.

Speaker 6 (02:10:13):
You know what's crazy about it is while all the
complaints about refs and him getting technicals and doing all this,
I think he's got Aside from Lebron, there may not
be a bigger hall pass in the league than him
for a guy who doesn't deserve a hall pass for
the way he asks me, listen, He's put a good
career together. But Gordie, I actually think that his hall pass.

(02:10:33):
I don't know if if the commissioners afraid of him,
but his hall pass, very few people would be able
to get away with the stuff he gets away with
in the league.

Speaker 5 (02:10:41):
Very few well.

Speaker 13 (02:10:42):
And the thing that scares me, Sean is if the
Rockets do take control serious. Let's say they go win
both in Sarah France, and look that could happen if
Jimmy Butler doesn't come back.

Speaker 12 (02:10:53):
I mean, that's at vana Rockets all day.

Speaker 13 (02:10:55):
But if they go up in this series and that
we come back here for a Game five next Wednesday,
you know, and they know their season is over, does
he do something cheap and take somebody and suddenly the
Rockets have to move on to the next round without
Shenguon or without Jalen Green because he took a cheap shot,
y know, Like the whole reason his buddy got hurt
last night, Jimmy Butler is because he pushed im and
tops a intube Jimmy Butler's lower half, right, Like, what

(02:11:18):
are we doing here? Like he's literally taking his own
teammates out. So that's just what scares me is I
don't think it's below him to try to take a
cheap shot on somebody and suddenly the Rockets move on
or we're moving on without one of our big pieces
because he injured somebody.

Speaker 5 (02:11:32):
You know that voice Chris Gordy joins us every week
here on The Sean Salisbury Show. Courtesy of Carbach Brewing.
One more on the Rockets. I mean, you know, I
think during your first visit this week, we had talked
about just a disappointment in Game one from Jalen Green,
but him last night, I mean, do you feel like
maybe something was unlocked out of him of saying, hey,
doing this in playoff basketball, this is fun. I want

(02:11:53):
to continue this.

Speaker 13 (02:11:56):
I'm sticking by what I said before the series. I
thought that every game was going to be a different
guy to emerge, you know. I like Game one was Alpi,
Game two was Jalen. I think Game three, you know,
could be somebody else. Maybe it's the Dylan Brooks game
or the you know, Fred Van vliet hits, you know,
six threes or something. So I think they're still gonna
kind of take turns. Everybody's gonna do their own thing.

(02:12:16):
But Jalen can't not be a factor, Like he cannot
be the guy but have like a twenty one point
you know, eight assist nights something like that. But yeah,
look if he wants to go off for thirty plus
every night, sure absolutely. And in the postgame he talked
to us and said, you know, like he was nervous
Game one. It was what we talked about, like a
bunch of twenty one twenty two year olds all playing

(02:12:38):
their first NBA playoff game. Yeah, nerves were there, and
Jalen said absolutely, I did not feel myself. I was
jitterying all this and then last time we saw the
nerves calm a little bit and and he settled in.
So hopefully that continues on as the series goes on.
I keep saying, guys, they're going back to a place
they just played two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (02:12:56):
You just went to Golden State.

Speaker 13 (02:12:57):
You got a big win in front of that home
crowd and they were out and rocking. So I just
treat it like, like, take the word playoff out of it.
It's just a game. Go play a game in Golden State.
Me personally, I feel like, just go split, go win
one of the next two, get this series back, even
come back to Houston steel back home field, home court advantage.
Uh That's how I feel. But yeah, I mean, look,
Jalen Green was was incredible last night. Is he gonna

(02:13:20):
do that every game? I wouldn't expect that, but I
mean again, hopefully he's got all the jitters out and
we don't have a poor game like yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:13:26):
In game one again.

Speaker 6 (02:13:27):
GUARDI switching real quick to the NFL draft tonight. Do
you believe that you should be prepared to move up
if you're the Texans or you're giving your prediction on them.
Are they staying at twenty five or they moving up
to get a big time offensive lineman or somebody else.

Speaker 13 (02:13:43):
I think they're gonna They're gonna stand pat. That's just
that's just how I feel. But yeah, if if one
of those guys starts starts following one of those tackles,
whether it's Will Campbell or or or of course Kelvin Banks,
I would I would absolutely you know, see what it
takes to move up couple spots to go get one
of them. I just I think either Campbell or or

(02:14:03):
Will Or Kelvin Bank, Kelvin Becks and Will Campbell are
just locked down gonna be a starter starting tackling this
league for the next decade.

Speaker 12 (02:14:10):
I just I'd have no problem moving up for either
of those guys.

Speaker 13 (02:14:15):
If not, if they're off the board and arm Membu's
off the board, I would just I wouldn't mind another
pass catcher guys no offense against the guys they brought
in this offseason, Christian Kirk and I just if you
can get in a Meco Buca who CJ loves, we
know he loves, and add him to this receiving corps,
I just get me more weapons.

Speaker 12 (02:14:33):
I mean, that was the thing.

Speaker 13 (02:14:34):
The Texans strength last year was the defense. The offense
was the one we were looking up going how they
only have thirteen points, you know, like, so if you
could add more offensive weapons, I'm all for that, no.

Speaker 5 (02:14:44):
Doubt about it. Chris Gordy again joins us every single
week courtesy at Carbock Brewing. And we didn't even get
into the Astros. But whether it's an Astros off day
tomorrow when they take on the Royals, you got the
NFL Draft going. You got the Rockets, I mean, the
car Back, Crawford Back, the pale Al, all of that.
It's in play, isn't it. Gordy.

Speaker 13 (02:15:02):
Yeah, well you mentioned, you know, having an off day
today and then tomorrow they are actually going to be
doing a hardening with the Astros and doing an official
watch party at Carbock out in the beer garden.

Speaker 12 (02:15:13):
That is tomorrow, and this one is extra special.

Speaker 13 (02:15:16):
Just found out that Astro's legend Michael Bourne is going
to pull up for a special appearance. So if you
want to come hang out, bring the family. It's an
earlier pitch six forty first pitch tomorrow night. I'll have
you for our live pregame show starting at five thirty
from Carback. They're gonna have five dollars Crawford box visit
from Orbit, the Shooting Stars championship trophies on display. Plenty
of family fun out tomorrow night at Carbock. We're gonna

(02:15:37):
come on out for an Astros watch party as they
take on the Royals out in the car Bock Beer Garden.

Speaker 12 (02:15:41):
We'll see you guys there no doubt about.

Speaker 5 (02:15:43):
It was out there last year from one of them.
Tons of fun and no, it's going to be great
weather everything else of the sort. So go out there
and join Gordy, Chris, Gordy working all hours of the night.
Appreciate you waking up with us, buddy, Thanks Cordy.

Speaker 1 (02:15:54):
Good.

Speaker 12 (02:15:55):
Yeah, if you come out to the beer guarden this year, Dan,
keep your pants on all right.

Speaker 5 (02:15:58):
Oh yeah, that story got out. Huh, well that sucks.
We all learned from everybody. Yeah, well, we all learned
from our lessons in the past, that's for sure. We'll
talk to you later, Gordy. All right, the Texans and
everybody else getting ready for the draft. And we talked
about something that Jay Glazer had mentioned about draft evaluations. Well,
what about if somebody's trying to headed off at the pass.

(02:16:20):
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Speaker 7 (02:18:28):
Now back to to Sean.

Speaker 5 (02:18:30):
Salisbury now starting to play in even more to the
draft evaluation. But you've mentioned before of trying to head
off some ways of curbing this, you know, mass transfer,
portal use going somewhere because somebody else offered you a
bag of money, whatever it might be, and you've thrown
out buyouts as a possibility. What if I were to

(02:18:53):
tell you that a former local ad who's now at
Arkansas hunter Yeerchik, he shares your same opinion. He shared
your same idea, and he is even instructing the collective
that Arkansas uses to enforce their rights under any agreement
violated by student athletes. Moving forward, we appreciate the Arkansas

(02:19:13):
Edge Edges investment in our student athletes. Acknowledge the enforcement
of these agreements. That's their collective. Those are the ones
that had yeah, just making sure people know, go ahead, sure, yeah, yeah.
But I mean of with Madden iam Aliva, the brother
of Nico eam Aliva also deciding to go join his
brother at UCLA, and he had a name, image and

(02:19:36):
likeness deal with Arkansas, And I mean it was a
deal signed, and you know, now you go into the
legal system, how much is it enforceable? All of these things?
But I have to believe he was the first one,
and sometimes the first one through the wall is the
one who gets the bloodiest. He ain't gonna be the last.
Now of you're gonna have coaches now going to their
ads and saying, hey, are we doing this? Like we're

(02:19:57):
we're gonna do this too, right, everybody should. It's a
business agreement. What are we going to just tell the kid,
Oh yeah, take the money and run. Well, first of
all the message. Second of all, I don't care if
you haven't services paid after services rendered.

Speaker 6 (02:20:18):
It's no different than you hire a landscape. It's no
different when you go buy a car. It's no different.
You know, when you go take a loan for your college.
To take a loan out for college your college, you
got to pay the loan back. Okay, you got to
pay the loan back. It ain't It ain't the president's
fault that you've got to go pay your loan back
that you had fifty That's called life.

Speaker 1 (02:20:37):
Man.

Speaker 6 (02:20:37):
Well you get I want to take my mortgage paying
away and have me do that for free. That'd be great.
It's the same thing here.

Speaker 5 (02:20:43):
We have created. I don't know where.

Speaker 6 (02:20:44):
I don't know exactly what the turning point was in
a lot of this, from society to We went to
bed one night and woke up the next day and
we had nil and we had transfer portal nut jobs.

Speaker 5 (02:20:55):
It went crazy. I mean literally, it felt like I
don't even remember them. And they talk about like, you know,
I remember, you know when when the players didn't get
a sound and they wanted more food. Point guard for
Yukon standing up there at the end of the thing
and saying, man, we sometimes we can't even eat on
our scholarship check or what have you. This was this
was a handful of years ago. That's exactly right. And

(02:21:17):
after that, then they you go into the locker rooms.
Now there's refrigerator, there's you can in between class, walk
over there, grab a sandwnch and get some fruit and
need some health food bars or whatever. Well I remembered
even during COVID Tom Herman talking about, look, we just
want to be able to give some of our guys food, right,
Like that's just your scholar you know, you know your
meal plan. That's exactly right. So I get all that,

(02:21:39):
but I don't know when we started to create that.
This is a an eighteen year old because you've got
a skill set that you don't have to pay taxes
on your on your nil money. I mean they do.

Speaker 6 (02:21:48):
Uh, I don't know if some of them realize that
that you that you actually have to when somebody says, hey,
I need five commercials this month to and you and
you transfer, but we've paid you the money that's not
your money.

Speaker 5 (02:22:04):
I mean, I know you think it is, but I don't.
And any of those all you know em pass out
there that all these kids, you know what these kids get.
These kids are adults now and they have responsibility. I
would listen if I'm at a university coaching and you
don't fulfill your obligation, and you're up and leave and
save me your crap, not yours. Anybody's about well. Coaches

(02:22:27):
can leave when they want, No, they can't. They can
just help and quit, but they can't go get another
job unless there's a buyout or the team releases them.
Meaning if you fire him, you can go get a job.
But if you're under their watch and you're under contract,
you just can't leave. They're gonna reap the rewards of
you leaving. You trade for somebody, you get something in return.

(02:22:49):
You've got to like what you get in return, but
you get something in return. That's the way.

Speaker 6 (02:22:52):
It's the same with this. You are now grown, you're
a big boy, So I would go after him too.
If you've spent the money, you better borrow it from
your friggin' brother, or you're in a the NC two
as to.

Speaker 5 (02:23:04):
Jump in and saying pay it back you can. We
got to work out a payment plan. What a novel
concept that is? Sorry, payment plan. You do that with
your college loans, student loans, you do it with payment plan.
We all do it at some point in our life.
So save me.

Speaker 6 (02:23:20):
These poor kids at nineteen are playing, they should get paid.
Also by production. The guy who won the Heisman trophy
is gonna get paid more than the than the third
string special teams got. So it's called the pecking order
of life. That's the way it works. The way it works, buddy,
from Hollywood to government, to you, to this job, to the.

Speaker 5 (02:23:41):
CEO, all of it. So why it works. So where
we've got into these poor guys. They're getting paid now.

Speaker 6 (02:23:47):
Matter of fact, they've got more leeway than any professional
athlete does because they're not held under contract. You can
go whenever you want and take the money with you.

Speaker 5 (02:23:55):
Oh hell no. If you got a million and you
spent a million, you're paying a million back or whatever
services you have not rendered for that money. This ain't
a freebie, dog, This, this ain't a UK or otherwise.
Guess what then the school gets in trouble because that's
literally hand to hand cash pay for play. That's exactly right.
So which we really that's what this is anyway, it's

(02:24:17):
just an it is. It's semantics, brother, that's what it is.
So I'm just telling yeah, you're damn right amen, Arkansas.
What I tell you on this show was going to
happen with the with the uh ni l at Arkansas.
They're basketball teams now, the number one basketball and iile
we discussed that a little bit football is going to
get there. And I'm just telling you they got money,

(02:24:38):
they got plenty of it. That still doesn't mean you
get to run with it. If you didn't, if you
didn't stay here and fall under the guise of the
fact that hey, I gotta pay this, that's called life. Man.

Speaker 6 (02:24:50):
I don't feel one out. I used to be all
kid all the time. I'm not anymore. I'm talking about
when it comes to this children now, adults. I'm for
whatever situation is right, whatever makes everybody and everything win
and better.

Speaker 5 (02:25:01):
I'm for everybody winning. I'm not for you winning at
my expense.

Speaker 6 (02:25:04):
You get to bamboozle me whenever you want and leave
when you want and take the money with you. That
ain't how rich people got rich, and that ain't how
school's making and that ain't how we're supposed to treat
it because it sends the wrong message.

Speaker 5 (02:25:14):
And he didn't deserve it. You didn't earn the money.
You take what you've done, rendered, services, rendered, and now
have at it. But you are going to pay and
any but well, Sean.

Speaker 6 (02:25:26):
And I'm talking to the kids I coach too, go
to school, get nil and if you don't deserve it
and you transfer and you've taken that money, you pay
it back. I would every school should do it. Start
making these kids they want to be treated like pros,
treat them like pros.

Speaker 5 (02:25:45):
Well, But then the difference is in the pros. It's
your contract. Is what your contract is, and you've signed
it for any amount of time. We agreed on it.
You agreed on it. That's the way it goes. You
can't leave, well, CJ can't up and leave, can't he?

Speaker 7 (02:25:57):
No?

Speaker 8 (02:25:57):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:25:58):
Why why not?

Speaker 6 (02:25:58):
Well he's under contract and we don't call it a
contract yet. But it's coming in college sports.

Speaker 5 (02:26:03):
It's coming because everything else we're doing in college sports
is pro It's coming. You're gonna get like I said before,
you're gonna get a union. You're gonna get a union leader.
You're gonna have you know, right to work stuff. You're
gonna have contracts, you're gonna have legality. Each guy is
gonna have his own the school. They're gonna have lawyers
for that, all of it. And then people are gonna

(02:26:24):
pounce literally, and I I'm just telling you change it.
And if it's good for some kids getting paid, but.

Speaker 6 (02:26:30):
No, no, no, just because you can throw a football
or catch a football, or tackle or dunk a basketball
when you're still I assigned you to something and it's
a three book deal. Buddy, you've only done two. That
advance I gave you. I need it back because you're
not doing it here that's coming. You don't get to
see these guys think they can do all. I'm taking

(02:26:52):
money and running.

Speaker 5 (02:26:53):
Hell the hell.

Speaker 6 (02:26:54):
You are all one, all Arkansas, all the time on this,
all Tennessee, all the time, on this one hundred percent.
Because if you're gonna make it about the money, then
let's make it about the money. And both the Nico
and his brother did just that.

Speaker 5 (02:27:10):
Was Kevin O'Leary on Shark Tank say money doesn't care
about your tears. I mean, that's kind of what I
think the sun up is going to be for these programs.
There's gonna be like, hey, look, you know we've been
getting railroaded with this for some time. And I understand
about the amateurism stuff, all of that that was there,
but this is starting to become where it's being taken
advantage of and start knock. Yeah, so starting you got

(02:27:32):
eighth the man on the bench.

Speaker 6 (02:27:32):
You got the third guy coming off the bench on basketball.
Then his transfer portals asking for a million and a
half dollars. Well, then it doesn't see the court that way.

Speaker 7 (02:27:41):
I mean, that's it.

Speaker 5 (02:27:41):
It's just like a million two. It's like, yeah, what
good luck somewhere else. Yeah, the guy who's coaching you,
the assistant isn't sniffing your money, and you ain't sniffing
the court yet you want to buck five? Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:27:56):
One thing I'm gonna say, they're all gonna hate it.
You athletes are replaceable, every single one of you. There's
always going to be another one. Wow, we know, how
are we gonna have a quarterback that good? Jordan High
Katie south Lake Carroll, go to south Lake Carrol.

Speaker 5 (02:28:18):
The next guy. There's always the other guy.

Speaker 6 (02:28:20):
There's always another guys Like yeah, and there's always another guy,
and it may take a minute or two or two
years to find that guy. Yeah, but guess what, I'll
take the time it takes to find that guy over
rolling out a red carpet for you to take us
all for granted and make us look like a bunch
of idiots. Now all Arkansas all the time on this
I got zero sympathy for them going after the money

(02:28:43):
and doing that in every part of their collective.

Speaker 5 (02:28:46):
Every school should be doing that. Let's get back into
the NFL draft because there was a report that came out.
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Speaker 5 (02:30:22):
The Schador Sanders, anonymous NFL assistant coming out with a
line about scaling, pretty scathing about you know, formal interview
one of the worst ever been through and titled all
of these other types of things. And I understand what
people their reaction is to situations like this. But here's

(02:30:46):
where I come at it from. This is by design.
This is somebody who wants him to fall so then
they can come to helm and you've got these people,
you know, they will take advantage of the NFL talking
heads out there, throw things out there. It gets us
talking about it, and then it's all there's smoke to
this fire like it's almost kind of like they want

(02:31:08):
to create the Laramie tons Ol gas mask with this.

Speaker 6 (02:31:12):
I don't think so this that quote, I don't I know.
I know that it's out there that this is just
to deviate you away from that that team loves him.
I think there are people who feel that way. I
don't think that every because that's not just a one line. Well, yeah,
you know what, the guy's not real good against pressure,
but you still draft him. That is horrible interview, Uh

(02:31:36):
doesn't it doesn't make certain throws. He's you know, trash's
team teammates throw HM under the bus and oh, by
the way, he's not very good either. I mean he
went through Now it may be, but if it wasn't.
First off, I and I quote tweeted it and we
said it yesterday on a show, I would like you
to put your name on it. I'm not saying that

(02:31:57):
those aren't true some of them. I mean, I think
he's you know, getting hit the mouth. He delivers the
ball pretty good. I haven't interviewed him, so I don't
I mean setting a football interview one on one like
the executives do, so I don't know how if he
bombed these interviews or if he's arrogant, you go by
what you hear. He doesn't want to do this, do this,
and there's a there's a bit of privilege there. He's
Deon's kid, make no mistake. Could work for him, could

(02:32:19):
work against him. He's done some good things. I think
he's a good player. I don't love him as a player.
I wouldn't take him in the top ten, but he's
gonna be a first round pick, and I think he's
a good player. I don't know if he's gonna in
my opinion, he's not going to be a He's not
Jayden Daniels or CJ.

Speaker 5 (02:32:31):
Stroud.

Speaker 6 (02:32:32):
So maybe if he's right in, there's some development opportunities.
Maybe better for him to get drafted later. So the
expectation is to go start right now. I don't think
he's ready for that yet. We've seen guys say damn,
he's even a better prone he was in college. But
when a coach says this, and I know you can't
because you're afraid of the backlash if you're the coach,
but aren't you Wait, But if it's a good compliment,
they'll put their name on it. Oh, running back coach

(02:32:54):
for so and so said this genty guy compare Tom right. Sure,
but they never put their name on the scathing stuff.
So this could be anybody saying this, Well one assistant.
It could be an assistant that was a former, you know,
and they didn't say form or so it's a current
assistant coach And I know that it's semi career suicide
to put your name on it, but just once, I'm

(02:33:15):
waiting for the guy to grow a set and say
and a team, we're really not interested. He's not that
good a player. According to him. That guy and put
your name on it and say I'm Joe Blow for
you the you're an assistant for the San Francisco forty
nine ers. Put your name on it.

Speaker 5 (02:33:32):
We asked.

Speaker 6 (02:33:33):
I'm not saying that the media person give the source away.
I would never ask somebody to do that. But the player,
I mean the coach saying you put my name on
I don't care. I don't think he's a good player.
We're not drafting his ass. We got a quarterback. Are
you worried that that Shuder's not gonna like you? He's
gonna come back and make you pay four years later
and throw six touchdown passing. Maybe, But I know it's
not realistic to say, but it always bugs me that

(02:33:55):
at this time of the year, you get, oh my gosh,
this guy feels this way. I would love one guy
to have the guts one time say you know what,
I don't think the guy can play.

Speaker 5 (02:34:04):
He's not that good.

Speaker 6 (02:34:06):
Great, and then maybe they come back one day and
you can lab I say, you know what, my evaluation
was wrong. I'm telling you now from my evaluation, I
think he's a good player. I don't think he's a
franchise changing quarterback. I wouldn't take him in the top
ten if it was his last year's draft, but it's not.
He wouldn't be a first round pick in last year's draft.
And I think Shuder Sanders, with the proper coaching, can

(02:34:28):
become a good player. He's not overly oh my gosh,
outside the pocket. He delivers the ball well when he
gets hit in the mouth, and that's a good thing.
But he didn't win a lot in college. They won some,
and I know it is a tough it's tough to win,
so and if I'm wrong, great to me. He's a
guy that you'd normally draft in a draft like this,

(02:34:49):
even with a weak quarterback class twenty second, eighteenth, if
you got a second first round pick, I'm not turning
my franchise over to SHERDERR.

Speaker 5 (02:34:57):
Sanders. I'm not sure I want to do with anybody
in this draft.

Speaker 6 (02:34:59):
Although I think cam Ward's the best quarterback in this draft,
he's not the best football player.

Speaker 5 (02:35:05):
You may get more value out of a second round pick.
Like we talked about, you never know. Third round.

Speaker 6 (02:35:09):
I think cam Ward's going to be taken first. Other
than that, I don't think you're getting Shdarry Sanders in
the first ten picks tonight.

Speaker 5 (02:35:15):
If they do, they loved him, and that's a good thing.
I don't have a problem. It's never personal for me.

Speaker 6 (02:35:20):
When I watch him play, I see some good things
and I see some which tells me on the surface
now that he's not a franchise quarterback, meaning he's gonna
start for you get every chance to be.

Speaker 5 (02:35:32):
But I don't think ten years from now we're going
to be saying, damn, this dude was Peyton Manning. I
don't think we're there. I think he's got a chance
to be a good player. I don't look at him
as a great college player. I don't look at him
as a rocket launcher arm. But he's got some moxie
and he comes from a confident family. I would expect
that to sustain. I don't have a problem when he's

(02:35:53):
confident in his interviews. I don't know why anybody's bothered
by that. Now, there is a slippery slope of arrogant,
meaning I confess to somebody else's fault. That's what you've
got to guard against. Making sure teammates. I don't care
what the media or the fans think when it comes
to your personality. Although you want to make it a
nice You are who you are, but you better make
sure those teammates buy in because they're the ones who
are going to bat, going to bat for you, and

(02:36:16):
you know, battling with you. But I just would love
a coach one time on the negative comment this close
to have the guts to put his name on it.
But they won't because they don't want to screw up
their career or be worried that what if he comes
back to haunt us. Well he may very well.

Speaker 6 (02:36:29):
But if you've got guts in, you're as tough as
you say you are by putting these private things on there,
put your name on the damn thing, and let's see.

Speaker 5 (02:36:35):
Let me if you actually are right it's the mafia
sean loose lips will get you.

Speaker 6 (02:36:39):
Act or regularly regularly. But then if that's the case,
then don't even the why say it? Hey, yeah, don't
don't tell anybody this because I don't have the balls
to put it out there because of the career suicide.
But I don't think the guy can play broadcasters saying
all the time, what's a big deal.

Speaker 5 (02:36:55):
I think he's a good player. I don't think he's
changing my program let's just put it that way. With
the NFL Draft tonight, Texans, where do they go? We'll
talk about it here Sean Salisbury Show, Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (02:37:09):
This is the Sean Salisbury Show, Sales.

Speaker 5 (02:37:14):
That's beautiful, Andy, what's going on? You got about thirty seconds, buddy.

Speaker 17 (02:37:20):
Hey, Sean, what do you think about that Dante Thrton kid?
You know, I said, well, the thing against him he
doesn't have a good route.

Speaker 1 (02:37:30):
Tree.

Speaker 17 (02:37:31):
Guess what, when you're six five and four to three,
you don't have to have a good route.

Speaker 6 (02:37:36):
Tree's gonna He's gonna be drafted higher than what we think.
I think, Andy, I think that's what I think he's
gonna go. I think he's going to go before some
people have him.

Speaker 17 (02:37:45):
Yeah, I think he was late third or early forth. Hey,
you throw your quarterback name out there to look at
Seth Hennigan out of Memphis. Four year starter, fourteen thousand
plus yards, one hundred and four thirty one picks, sixty
four completion. He was a starter from day one.

Speaker 5 (02:38:05):
Yep, watch it. Watch him all I had I had.

Speaker 6 (02:38:09):
I had a guy that went to Memphis, so I
know all about him. He's a he's a guy that
gets drafted somewhere in the middle, sneaks in and makes
a roster. There's no question he's a good player, great stuff,
and he's right eve Memphis and he went in there.
He's got great college experience. He's not gonna get draft anywhere.
He may not even get to Pinion late. But it's
one of those guys you say, man, he's still in
the league.

Speaker 8 (02:38:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:38:30):
I like those guys real quick. Who they taking Texans?
Trade up? I'll say trade up to get the lineman.

Speaker 6 (02:38:40):
If they stay at twenty five and a guy like
Zabel's there, yeah, but if not a wide receiver, they're
going to one of those two Tyler Booker lineman or
a wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (02:38:51):
I think Will Anderson Junior felt comfortable talking the way
he did. Let Sean be at twenty five. Now that
there you go, there you go. I like that prediction. Chripoli,
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