The "Commission" Edition

The College Sports Commission will now run the world of college sports, allowing schools to pay players.

Episode Transcript

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Actually already had it on the docket, and then Will
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series on it. The top ten assistant coaching hires in
Dabo Sweeney's tenure in Tigertown. Number ten on the list
out there, we put Todd Bates there. We could get
into that conversation with you in a little bit. We
also released today's article number nine. Former offensive line coach
still part of the staff at Clypson, not the on

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field coaching staff, but Robbie Calbwell, the former Vanderbilt head coach,
the Pageland native, still up in Tigertown doing work. Also
a big weekend for college baseball as several teams book

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their trips to Omaha with a handful of games or
a few games I should say today. We'll get to
that in a minute. Plus. A historic ruling in the
House versus the NC double A. Essentially, I mean really
minimizing the impact of the NC double A, I mean

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nearly eradicating its purpose as the new College Sports Commission
will be running things headed by Brian Seely. He's now
the CEO of the College Sports Commission, and schools can
now directly pay student athletes. You could kind of read

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the tea leaves on this and knew it was coming.
But here we are. We have officially crossed over into
a new era of college football and the new rules
going to effect on July the first, after the antitrust
case addressed several issues with the amateur system in the

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nc double A, and so we can start there because
that's obviously the biggest news in the world of college sports,
because they've completely changed some people. I heard Paul Finbaum
say that, you know, the problem that he sees is
he thinks that women's sports is going to be the

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thing that is most negatively impacted by all of this.
So college sports has essentially changed forever. Starting July the first,
as I mentioned, schools will now legally be able to
pay athletes directly. And recall, one of the foundational principles

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of the NCAA was that all athletes remain amateurs. It
was supposed to be the opposite of professional sports, and
for decades that was always the crux of some of
the biggest issues would be a player that would get paid,

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whether it was a car cash or whatever that would
take away their amateur status and their eligibility now amateur athletes.
I'm not even sure where that's played anymore. I'm guessing

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high school, but we've even seen some maneuvering there. From
the standpoint of NIL. Now, we have not hit the
point where high schools are forced to pay players who
are playing. We haven't seen that. We haven't jumped the
shark to that angle yet. But who knows what could

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be on the horizon as far as that goes. But
college sports legally being able to pay players in a
new college Sports Commission being created, that's a landmark two
point eight billion dollar settlement in this antitrust cases, I

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understand it. And the NCAA and the Power four were challenged,
and really technically the Power five right like back in
the day for sure, including Oregon State and Washington State
over decades of denying players compensation beyond their scholarships and

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the the changes in the additions of NIL where players
were supposed supposed to benefit from their name, image and likeness,
and we all kind of bought into that as jersey
sales and autograph signings and running camps like that was

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going to be the supplemental aspect of it, and players
were supposed to get more off of who they are. Well,
it quickly changed. We know that as schools and people

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in and around the schools decided to create these entities
called collectives, collectives eerily similar in some respects to athletic
fundraising organizations like IPTA. Right like, hey, guys, listen, you
donate to our collective, and our collective will pay these

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players for their name, image and likeness, and we might
have them do some you know, some goodwill, some charity work.
They might sign up with the local YMCA, whatever those
things were. But we all know that that was a
very slippery slope. Contracts didn't really exist. Players were taking

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it advantage, taking money and then not playing. And so
the outcome of all that was a scenario that was
I don't know that it was worse. Okay, I can't
say that it was worse, but there were many less
guardrails and less guardrails for the sport and for the fans.

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I think, ultimately and honestly for the players, it's bad.
So this, I think will create guardrails. And now with
revenue sharing on the table and schools able to pay
athletes directly for their roles in generating billions of dollars

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from coast to coast. One could assume that we are
going to see contracts. We are going to see situations
where players, even though they are students at the schools
I assume, will not have the same free flowing movement

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that we've seen. I think that other schools may have
to buy out players. I mean, I think those types
of these are my thoughts, not inherently what we've heard.
But I can't imagine that you're going to this system
with a new college Sports Commission and that some of
the things that aren't going to be addressed won't be

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things like what we have right now with the transfer portal.
And it's important to note that this doesn't get rid
of ANIL or other individuals paying players. It simply allows
the schools to compensate the players. And the early expectation

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is about twenty and a half million dollars annually to
student athletes across the board. It's expected to vary, perhaps
by programs in schools, but the days of scholarships are
essentially over well solely being supported by scholarships athletes as

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far as I can tell, will still go to school
for free, the schools will be able to pay them,
and that number, I think over the next decade or
so is supposed to also increase annually. I don't know
what that step looks like, whether it's going to go
from twenty and a half to twenty two and a
half to twenty four and a half. I have no
idea what the step increase looks like in terms of

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the distribution, but there will be money distributed in that way.
Now the NCAA and the amateurism aspect of it is
pretty much dead legally at this point, is dead. The NCUBLEA,

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I think, can continue to run tournaments and continue to
put on, you know, situations like that for basketball and baseball.
Like I don't know that that necessarily has to go away,
but it is a situation where I would have a

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hard time understanding what governing the NCUBA can do, of
which they didn't do much like that was one of
the big criticisms of the NCUBLEA is that the enforcement
arm was so weak. But now with these changes, it's

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really hard to imagine a scenario where the NCUABLEA has
much grip outside of organizing tournaments and maybe just maybe
that's what they do, that they continue to organize the
NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament and the Men's and women's College

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World Series and any other thing that they've ever been over.
I mean, I'm sure these people don't want their jobs
to cease to exist. But we don't know what the
impact of the new College Sports Commission will be and
what its sole responsibilities will be about. I'll give you
some insight into that in the next segment, just based

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off of what I was able to read about Brian Seeley,
the former MLB executive who's moving into that role as
commissioner of the College Sports Commission. So I'm assuming, well
he's the CEO, excuse me, CEO of the College Sports
Commission anyway, taking a look further at some of the

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other things that kind of come out of this, and
you know, I think when you start divving up twenty
and a half million dollars and you've got one hundred
and five rostered players on a football team, you've got
fifteen rostered players on a basketball team, you know, that's

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one hundred and twenty scholarships right there. That's about one
hundred and seventy thousand dollars per scholarship. If you start
to add in women's basketball, which is about fifteen players,
that trims it down to about fifteen you know, rosters

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on a you know, a baseball roster can be roughly
thirty semid players maybe, but the current regulars of the
NCAA limited baseball to eleven point seven. But I'm going
to assume that those roster spots, let's say thirty five

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for the top end, and let's give a similar number
to softball. You'd be looking at a total of about
two hundred and five scholarships, which is about a perfect
one hundred thousand dollars apiece. Again, that's assuming one hundred

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and five football, fifteen for basketball, men's and women's, focusing
on about thirty five apiece for softball, and then you
can start to distribute more in there, I guess if
you won't. But the biggest hit I think comes down
to how much is going to be given above and

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beyond to other sports. Do other sports start to vanish
from college because you got to imagine that a lot
of the schools want to put the emphasis on that

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money going towards their football teams because that's the biggest
moneymaker of them all and what I imagine is going
to happen, and this is I think detrimental for the

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whole system. And this is where I think the NCAA
got it right by having the amateur status with the
scholarship being equal across the board, so to speak. Now,
I could argue that baseball should have been able to
have full scholarships for every player. I mean, I could

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argue that, but that all goes back to the Title
nine deal, I think, and that you had to have
an equal number of men's and women's scholarships on a campus.
And I respect that thought process, but I also think
that it would have been an easier, kind of an

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easier way to handle it if you just simply said,
and this is probably what most people wanted to do,
if you are a scholarship athlete at a school, you
go to school for free, and that's just the way
it is, and it's equal across the board for football,

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so on and so forth. That's kind of what we had,
except for there were limitations on scholarships and some of
the men's sports because of the Title nine rulings. But
it should have probably been across the board for everybody,
because ultimately In that situation, everybody's equal, everybody's getting the

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same thing. Where there are more men playing sports, sure,
I would venture to guess collectively across the world more
men play sports. But now I think the question becomes,
if we divvy up the money differently to different sports,

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it would say football, you're gonna get fifteen million of this,
and the rest of the sports are gonna get five
and the football players are making more. Again, they're generating more.
I think you're probably gonna end up with more lawsuits
where people say, wait a second, we should be getting

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the same as these other individuals, and that probably ends
up going to court, and I would imagine at some
point that will be settled. I'd be shocked if it
doesn't end up being into everybody does. A student athlete
should get the same and quite frankly, that's the way

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it should have been originally with the scholarship model, to
include all of the baseball players and so on and
so forth, because in my estimation, whether your child chooses
to be a soccer player or a baseball player or

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a football player, if they're good enough to play collegiately,
that goal in a large part for the majority of
the kids, because most of them aren't going pro It's
about the opportunity to Much like a scholar student earns

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a scholarship and saves their parents some coin when they
go to school, a athlete should also have the right
if a school thinks they're good I have to play
the sport to go to school for free and get
their education and take some of that burden off of
the parents as well. Like I think both models work

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perfectly if you make it equal for everyone across the board.
But if these schools don't make these payments equal across
the board for everyone, there are going to be more lawsuits.
And you might think that the football players should get more,
and I may not necessarily disagree, but I can tell

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you if you don't want to go back to court,
just make sure everybody is getting the same thing. And
then you can look at Congress and the rulings of
the Supreme Court and you could say, hey, everybody's getting
the same We're splitting the twenty and a half million
amongst everyone. That's my thoughts on it. I'll tell you

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more about the new CEO of the College Sports Commission
when we return back at it on a Monday. The
wicked old witch is dead. The NCUBLEA now the student
athlete is essentially an employee. I mean all I mean,

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I guess. I don't know how they're gonna do these deals.
I guess they'll be independent contractors. July the first is
when the change comes, and it'll be the birth of
college sports two point zero and the College Sports Commission,

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which will be the oversight body that was created by
the House versus NCUBA settlement. The new Commissioner, Brian Seeley,
will be the first CEO again if you're just joining us.
Most notably the new aspects of college sports beginning July

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the first, And this is not unknown that this was coming.
I mean, everybody could read the tea leaves that this
was going to be the ruling twenty point five million
dollars per year to Division one schools. Initially that will
be able to be distributed, and the NCAA is relinquishing
a bunch of their authority as the new College Sports

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Commission takes over. The key functions of the College Sports
Commission will be revenue sharing, oversight, making sure that schools
pay athletes properly per the settlement terms. And that's where
I get into what I was talking about before the break, like,
what's what's the equality of that going to look like?
Because I'm afraid if it's not equal regard, I don't care.

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I do not care. Let me just state this for
the record here. I do not care that football makes more.
I understand that football makes more. I get it that
you want to win in football more than you want
to win in women's soccer or whatever. Okay, I understand that.

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But unless you want this thing to go back to
court again, I think you're going to have to accept
that most likely everybody that's paid is going to be
paid equally, and the impact of NIL can still exist
to supplement said football players. The NIL can still exist

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to supplement certain basketball players, like collectives and all of
that I don't think are going away. The College Sports
Commission will, speaking of NIL, have some oversight of NIL
deals that exceed six hundred dollars so almost everyone, and

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there will be I think some portal oversight as well.
That's coming along with the commission, and they will also
oversee compliance with roster caps and what those numbers look
like for fall, winter, and spring sports. So here's who
Brian Seely is. He's a Harvard graduate, former US attorney

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excuse me, a former US assistant attorney, and he was
with Major League Baseball back in twenty fourteen to lead
the Department of Investigations, and he was promoted to executive
vice president of Legal Operations with Major League Baseball in
twenty twenty two, I believe. And so he'll be in charge,

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and he's gonna make seven figures to run it. And
he was selected by the commissioners of the ACC, the
Big Ten, the Big twelve, and the SEC focused on
his integrity. MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred also back the higher
the timeline of all of this again to the incredible

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changes that we are now going to see in the
world of college sports. So starting June sixth, a couple
of days ago, through the eleventh, that's I believe Wednesday,
the commission structures being approved inli GO is being launched
June fifteenth, Schools outside of the six defended conferences must

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opt in to begin direct payments. I don't know what
would happen if the other conferences don't opt into this
situation or this structure. July the first is the official
start of institutional revenue sharing payments. As I mentioned earlier,

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and July sixth, twenty five, twenty twenty six, roster limits
began to take effect. Designated athletes are grandfathered in, so
players who are already on campus are grandfathered end to
these scholarship limits that will be put together. I don't
know what those limits will look like. Again, rumors around

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those limits have been about one hundred and five players
for football. We do know that, so the ncublea essentially
minimized with this ruling. The new College Sports Commission presents

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the biggest shift in college athletics governance in our lives, really,
and the move will transition from NC doublea control to
conference powered oversight with implications for Title nine athletes status
in the overall economics of college sports in the very

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in near future as this thing continues to push forward
over the next month. So how college football and college
sports looks in five or ten years. At this point,
you know, this is like a tree, I mean seriously,

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like you imagine a tree with all the branches in
all the different directions that the sprouts can go off
of said branches. That's kind of what I feel like
where we are. We are on the tree, and we
know that This is the new growth path of college sports,

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and I don't know what branch is going to take
us down. I hope it takes us down a fruitful branch.
I think fans will always love the sport. I think
fans hate some of the dynamics of the sport. And
that's not exclusive to football either. I think it's across
the board. But that's where we are. It's a new

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era and college sports will likely never be the same
as what they were when we were growing up. All right,
speak to college sports. The road to Omaha is underway.
Will recap a great weekend of college baseball when we return.
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didn't make it to super Regional play. But super Regional

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play was really good this weekend, and we've just got
a game remaining to decide at all Duke and Murray
State today as they will face off for the right
to go to Omaha, completing the tournament bracket. Here's what
happened over the weekend. Louisville advanced past Miami in three games.

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The Cardinals won Game one eight to one, The Hurricanes
took Game two nine to six, and then Louisville advanced
with a three to two victory. In Game three. Representing
the Atlantic Coast Conference, they will take on Oregon State,
who was the Corvallis Super Regional champion. Much like Louisville,

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Oregon State one game one, five to four and ten
innings over Florida State. They lost Game two three to one,
and then Oregon State won Game three fourteen to ten
over the Seminoles to advance. So Louisville and Oregon State
will open play against one another out in Omaha. Also

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on their side of the bracket, the Arizona Wildcats come
from behind Region winners over North Carolina. The tar Heels
won definitively Game one, eighteen to two. Arizona, however, came
back in won Game two ten to eight, and they

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topped North Carolina with a couple of late runs in
the eighthn I believe it was the eighth inning yesterday
to win four to three. In advance, Coastal Carolina swept Auburn.
The Auburn Tigers out of the SEC get taken out
seven to six in ten innings. Arrain delayed ten innings
in Game one, and then a four to one Coastal

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victory in Game two sent the Auburn Tigers packing, sending
Coastal Carolina back to Omaha for the first time since
they won the national title. And as I said here
on the program, and I'll continue to stand by it,
they've been the best team in the state of South
Carolina in baseball for a decade. Coastal Carolina. The Chanticlears

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on the opposite side of the bracket, LSU hammered West Virginia.
I'm not sure Clemson wanted that smoke. Quite frankly, LSU
beat West Virginia sixteen to nine in game one and
then twelve to five in game two to advance to
the College World Series, just a couple of years off
of their national championship win out in Omaha. Speaking the

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National Championships in Omaha, the Tennessee Volunteers who won the
title last year got beaten two games by Arkansas fellow
SEC member four to three and then eleven to four. Yesterday.
Arkansas laid the hammer down a little grand slam in
that ballgame for the Razorbacks, giving us LSU in Arkansas

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opening up play against one another in Omaha. And then
UCLA took down the UTSA University of Texas San Antonio
five to two, seven to nothing to advance. And again
we're waiting on the result from Murray State and Duke,
that game getting underway at seven o'clock tonight. Murray State

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winning yesterday nineteen to nine, dominating the Devils to even
that series after Duke one game one, seven to four.
So again, the final game of the Super Regional Round,
a pretty efficient super Regional round, quite frankly, will take
place today on ESPN at seven o'clock with Murray State

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and Duke facing offen you know, just sitting at home
watching it and thinking about the Southeastern Conference having thirteen
teams in the NCAA Tournament thirteen, but only placing two

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in Omaha, not to mention the fact that those two
have to play each other and only one of those
two can survive to the Championship Series, meaning that the
Southeastern Conference went from having thirteen teams in to the
possibility of only placing one in the Championship Series, and

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even the odds of that could be pretty slim because
the loser of LSU Arkansas has to bounce back through
a double elimination bracket, so tough sledding for the SEC
and postseason play and for Coastal entering Omaha with a

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what twenty two I think game winning streak right now,
I think they entered. I saw a graphic during their
game against Auburn. I think it said that Coastal in
carrying a twenty two game winning streak into Omaha. I
think they have the longest winning streak maybe ever entering

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entering the College World Series. It may have, it may
have been since twenty ten or but I think it's
ever coastalists fifty one and eleven This season, fifty one
and eleven are the Chanticleers as they head into their
super Region or shoot me into their calldrold Series matchup

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with Arizona. But with all of the with all of
the losses for the Southeastern Conference in the first two
rounds of the Ncublea Tournament, a lot of people saying, hey,
should the nc doublea tournament? You know college baseball? Consider

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that fact. I mean, they had thirteen teams in six
of the top seven, and they send two to Omaha
and those two will have to face off. A little
referendum on SEC baseball, it would seem all right. Let's
shift gears to the NBA where Oklahoma City even the

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series convincingly with Indiana. We'll tell you about it when
we return final segment of our number one Clemson Sports
Talk no qualk. In our number two, we'll rehash some
of what we had to talk about in our number
one for you on the NCUBLEA ruling, the House versus
NCUBLEA ruling. The two point eight billion dollars that'll be

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distributed along with the creation of a new College Football
Commission and a new CEO that will take over that
entity as Brian Seeley steps into that role, and college
sports will never be the same. But I don't think

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it'll be the same. But shifting gears to the NBA.
Last night, in convincing fashion, the Oklahoma City Thunder dominated Indiana.
No shock there for me, Like I think Oklahoma City,
He's still gonna win the championship. They took a pretty

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sizable advantage. I think at one point they got up
twenty three with about four minutes and change remaining before
the half, and they really never relinquished that lead a
whole lot up until the waning moments, kind of like
Game one where Oklahoma City controlled things throughout. The Pacers

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led Game one just point three seconds, but it was
the most significant point three, the final point three in
that one to eleven point ten, winning Game one, stealing
home court advantage. Now Game three coming up on Wednesday
on ABC, A big game for Indiana at home because

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if the Pacers, and I think it's a not so
obvious or not so convincing if, but if the Pacers
can win Game three, that would then mean that Oklahoma
City has to win three out of four to win
the championship. But I just I watched this Thunder team,

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and I am hard pressed to believe that they aren't
significantly better than the Indiana Pacers. And I think that's
gonna bear itself out so much so that I'm not
gonna be shocked if they go in there and win
both games in Indianapolis. Now, double Ow will tell you.

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He texted me over the weekend and he said, Hey, Swannee,
I think the NBA wants this thing to go seven.
I'm not gonna say he called it rigged, but he
might have said rigged. D NBA wants this series to
go seven games. And there there's there's the There have
been some conversations surrounding that in the past by a

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lot of people that the NBA wants these series to
stretch out as long as possible, But I just don't
see it. I mean, you watch these two teams play,
and even when Oklahoma City's rest in their best players
like Sga and chet Holmgram and Jaln Williams, the score

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still tends to balloon in the thunders favor. And that's
not great when you got guys on the bench with
plus twenty four plus minus numbers, plus seventeen plus fifteen
on your bench. That means when you're substituting, you're being

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incredibly successful. As a matter of fact, the starters, the
best starter was plus twelve Caseen Wallace, but SGA Shake
Gil just Alexander's just plus five, home Grim plus four.
Now Alexander scores thirty four, Homegrim scored fifteen. If there's
any place I feel like chet Holmgrom's got to get

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better in this NBA Finals, it's on the rebound. On
the boards. Man, he's been weak on the boards. I
think he had six in Game one, maybe six in
Game two as well. Kind of surprising. This guy's not
a walking double double. But either way, the Thunder even

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the series. To me, they continue to look like the
best team in this series by far. And as heroic
as Tyres Halliburton has been for the Pacers in this postseason,
and he has been incredible, I just cannot see how

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the Pacers are gonna be able to keep up. And
again things get back underway in the NBA on Wednesday.
Speaking of the NBA, one of the big criticisms over
the weekend was the lack of an NBA logo in
Game one, and if you kind of go back to
the olden days of the NBA, you'd see that NBA
logo mid court, the championship trophy highlighted none. You would

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not know that you were watching a Finals game really
in game one. So in Game two, they they fixed
it well digitally. They overlaid a couple of Lario Brian
trophies over the you know, on the court, and I

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guess they had some glitches with that during the game
and shifted to a Finals logo. I mean, that's the
beauty of it. You could change it. But the big
complaint a lot of people have is that for the
NBA's in season tournament, they do these huge graphics with
the end season championship trophy right at mid court for

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a lot of these teams, and there's nothing done on
that sense for the NBA Finals. Now, we can hope
that the Indiana Pacers, since they've got a few days
to get it all square away, maybe they've made some
changes to add a sticker to the court. But for now,

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the overlays that you saw were digitally enhanced. They weren't real.
They weren't on the court. You couldn't see them if
you were at the game, which was strange. Very strange
a zero three four five zero zero eighty six text

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line phone line because you know the finals are coming.
You know the NBA Finals are coming. All right, Well,
hit a quick break. When we come back again, we'll
rehash some of our conversation from now number one on
the house settlement and ruling that has essentially clipped the
wings entirely of the n C double A. Stay with us.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Each time for Clipson Sports Talk with Luwton Swan.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
It is our number two that's drivetime writer on the
Show that Shakes the Southland, Clemson Sports sal On Swine
with you on a Monday afternoon. No William Qualkinbush today.
Qualks on vacation, so we'll give him the week off.
We'll see if we can work in another guest in

(43:22):
midweek though on Wednesday. I'll see what weekend come up
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dot Com. That's their website. All right, So the House settlement,

(43:47):
here's what it comes down to, a two point eight
billion dollar settlement in which we'll give some back pay.
I didn't even mention this, I don't think and our
number one back pay to former college athletes. There will
be a twenty plus billion dollars in revenue sharing to

(44:08):
future athletes, which will be about twenty and a half
million dollars in year one at each school. And there
will be new rules and new enforcement. And again the
large part or the larger part of that enforcement will

(44:35):
be headed up by the new College Football Commission, led
by Brian Seeley, a former MLB executive. And so the
NCUBLEA as we know it is done. And as I
mentioned in nour number one, it's hard for me to
see a role for the NCUBA outside of sanctioning and

(44:59):
organzing tournaments. And quite frankly, I haven't done a lot
of tournament organization in my life. But if I'm being
honest with you, I don't think it's all that hard.
And from the standpoint of fans around the country, I
think that they could be They would be perfectly fine

(45:23):
with this College Sports Commission creating the tournaments. Now it
would be weird that you're not calling it the NCUBA
Basketball Tournament anymore. Like that's a thing that's sort of
like that just rolls off the tongue. Ah, that's the
NCAA tournament. I can't imagine calling it the College Sports
Commission Tournament or even the college Basketball Tournament. I mean,

(45:45):
I might could get accustomed to call it the National
Championship Tournament. But NCUBA March Madness, right, Like, that's like synonymous.
It's synonymous. And I don't know how much other than
doing that the NCAA's got to do anymore. Because this
changes the big picture of college sports. It blurs the

(46:09):
lines between college and professional sports. Schools will be directly
paying players. I mean, it's business. It's big business. And
as I said, i'll jump into some of my conversation
from our number one. I don't know what's gonna happen,
like will players be able to be traded? Will players

(46:33):
be able to transfer? What kind of deals will these
players be on? And how does all of this end
up shaking out. Here's a portion of what I said
though out of the gates here in our number one,
so we can start there, because that's obviously the biggest
news in the world of college sports because they've completely

(46:57):
changed some people. I heard Paul Finebam say that, you know,
the problem that he sees is he thinks that women's
sports is going to be the thing that is most
negatively impacted by all of this. So college sports has
essentially changed forever. Starting July the first, as I mentioned,

(47:17):
schools will now legally be able to pay athletes directly.
And recall, one of the foundational principles of the NCAA
was that all athletes remain amateurs. It was supposed to
be the opposite of professional sports, and for decades that

(47:43):
was always the crux of some of the biggest issues.
Would be a player that would get paid, whether it
was a car, cash or whatever, that would take away
way their amateur status and their eligibility. Now amateur athletes,

(48:10):
I'm not even sure where that's played anymore. I'm guessing
high school, but we've even seen some maneuvering there. From
the standpoint of nil, now, we have not hit the
point where high schools are forced to pay players who
are playing. We haven't seen that. We haven't jumped the

(48:32):
shark to that angle yet, But who knows what could
be on the horizon as far as that goes. But
college sports legally being able to pay players in a
new college Sports Commission being created. It's a landmark two

(48:53):
point eight billion dollar settlement in this anti trust cases,
I understand it. And the NCAA and the Power four
were challenged, and really technically the Power five right like
back in the day for sure, including Oregon State and
Washington State, over decades of denying players compensation beyond their

(49:16):
scholarships and the the changes in the additions of nil
where players are supposed supposed to benefit from their name,
image and likeness, and we all kind of bought into
that as jersey sales and autograph signings and running camps

(49:39):
like that was going to be the supplemental aspect of
it and players were supposed to get more off of
who they are. Well, it quickly changed, we know that
as schools and people in and around the schools decided

(50:04):
to create these entities called collectives, collectives eerily similar in
some respects to athletic fundraising organizations like IPTA, right like, hey, guys, listen,
you donate to our collective, and our collective will pay

(50:25):
these players for their name, image, and likeness, and we
might have them do some you know, some goodwill, some
charity work. They might sign up with the local YMCA,
whatever those things were. But we all know that that
was a very slippery slope. Contracts didn't really exist. Players

(50:47):
were taking advantage, taking money and then not playing, and
so the outcome of all that was a scenario that
was I don't know that it was worse. Okay, I
can't say that it was worse, but there were many
less guardrails and less guardrails for the sport and for

(51:15):
the fans. I think, ultimately and honestly for the players,
it's bad. So this I think will create guardrails. And
now with revenue sharing on the table and schools able
to pay athletes directly for their roles in generating billions

(51:35):
of dollars from coast to coast, one could assume that
we are going to see contracts. We are going to
see situations where players, even though they are students at
the schools, I assume, will not have the same free

(51:56):
flowing movement that we've seen. I think that other schools
may have to buy out players. I mean, I think
those types of these are my thoughts, not inherently what
we've heard. But I can't imagine that you're going to
this system with a new college Sports Commission and that

(52:17):
some of the things that aren't going to be addressed
won't be things like what we have right now with
the transfer portal. And it's important to note that this
doesn't get rid of ANIL or other individuals paying players.
It simply allows the schools to compensate the players. And

(52:45):
the early expectation is about twenty and a half million
dollars annually to student athletes across the board. It's expected
to vary, perhaps by programs as schools, but the days
of scholarships are essentially over well solely being supported by scholarships. Athletes,

(53:09):
as far as I can tell, will still go to
school for free. The schools will be able to pay them,
and that number, I think over the next decade or
so is supposed to also increase annually. I don't know
what that step looks like, whether it's going to go
from twenty and a half to twenty two and a
half to twenty four and a half. I have no
idea what the step increase looks like in terms of

(53:32):
the distribution, but there will be money distributed in that way.
Now the NCUBLEA and the amateurism aspect of it is
pretty much dead legally at this point, is dead. The NCUBLEA,

(53:57):
I think, can continue to run tournament and continue to
put on, you know, situations like that for basketball and baseball.
Like I don't know that that necessarily has to go away,
but it is a situation where I would have a

(54:21):
hard time understanding what governing the NCUBA can do, of
which they didn't do much like that was one of
the big criticisms of the NCUBLEA is that the enforcement
arm was so weak. But now with these changes, it's

(54:41):
really hard to imagine a scenario where the NCUBA has
much grip outside of organizing tournaments. And maybe, just maybe
that's what they do, that they continue to organize the
nc double Men's Basketball Tournament and the men's and women's

(55:04):
College World Series and any other thing that they've ever
been over. I mean, I'm sure these people don't want
their jobs to cease to exist, But we don't know
what the impact of the new College Sports Commission will
be and what its sole responsibilities will be about. I'll
give you some insight into that in the next segment,

(55:26):
just based off of what I was able to read
about Brian Seeley, the former MLB executive who's moving into
that role as Commissioner of the College Sports Commission. So
I'm assuming, well, he's the CEO, excuse me, CEO of
the College Sports Commission anyway, taking a look further at

(55:51):
some of the other things that kind of come out
of this, and you know, I think when you start
divving up twenty and a half a million dollars and
you've got one hundred and five rostered players on a
football team, and you've got fifteen rostered players on a
basketball team, you know, that's one hundred and twenty scholarships

(56:17):
right there. That's about one hundred and seventy thousand dollars
per scholarship. If you start to add in women's basketball,
which is about fifteen players, that trims it down to
about fifteen. You know, rosters on a you know, a
baseball roster can be roughly thirty semi players maybe, but

(56:44):
the current regulations of the NCAA limited baseball to eleven
point seven. But I'm going to assume that those roster spots,
let's say thirty five for the top end, and let's
give a similar number to softball, you'd be looking at

(57:04):
a total of about two hundred and five scholarships, which
is about a perfect one hundred thousand dollars apiece. So
there you go some of my comments from earlier on it.
And again that doesn't include women's soccer, that doesn't include
men's soccer, doesn't include tennis, and all of these other sports.

(57:25):
And the other angle in which we don't know enough
about is what's going to be the situation or the
breakdown for the non Power four conferences and what are
the implications if those leagues don't op into the settlement
and the way it all sets up. Like you know,

(57:48):
I knew, you knew, We all knew that asking deep
pocketed fans over and over and over to reach into
their pockets to pull out an abundance of money to
fund these nil collectives and and all of that wasn't
gonna work. It's not a sustainable model unless, you know,

(58:12):
unless Elon Musk is a graduate of your school. You know,
outside of the handful of universities that have billionaires who
can fund that type of stuff without having to worry
about it, you gotta also have somebody that wants to
fund it, right, you like the way I put that.

(58:35):
Good Old Southern wants to on it. But the fact
of the matter is most schools can't live in that
style of of funding. It's not going. It's not sustainable
to open your hand up over and over and over,

(58:57):
because it is still very much different than those scholarship
funding arms like ip TAY and other things of that nature.
Those at least I now. Now, look, if let's say
that you were a multi millionaire, and you might have

(59:19):
a different view on ip TAY because perhaps those dudes
have been knocking down your door every year asking you, Hey,
is this the year're gonna give? Is this the year
you're gonna give? But in my in my mind, in
my mind, they've been knocking down on Swanee's door. But
in my mind, those those arms of athleticism for colleges,

(59:42):
in a large part based off of what I can tell,
have always been kind of driven by, hey, I want
to support that. I don't know that you can consistently
ask people to give money to nil and have them

(01:00:02):
always sit by and go, yeah, that sounds good, because
when you give to iptay and a player doesn't work out,
you don't feel that direct connection. You might say, Man,
I'm not giving as much the IPTA this year because
we've been terrible and I'm tired of giving. But you
don't nobody If you change eras a little bit and

(01:00:27):
put Dju at quarterback, nobody would go, you know what,
I'm not giving the IPTA because Dju is getting money
from this right even though he's benefiting from the scholarship,
et cetera and all the other things that IPTA pays for.
So I think when you started to get into the

(01:00:48):
conversations about this money was going directly to the players
and it was in il money, I think you weaken
your case to continue to convince people that they need
to give. Give, give to the nil, Like, do you
see how bad these players are? Do you see how
poorly they're performing. I might have deep pockets, but I'm

(01:01:09):
not going to continue to give. We have to we
have to have a winner. So it's a big change
for sure in the world of college sports. We can
still call it college sports. I'm not sure we could
call it amateur athletics any longer. A zero three four

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five oh zero zero eighty six text line phone line. Again,
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the top ten coaching hires by Dabosweeney during his tenure.
When we come back, we'll walk you through number ten

(01:01:56):
and number nine on our list again. You can read
it over on Clemson sports Talk dot Com. Youga keep
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sports Talk Clemson Sports Talk on the Monday, Lawton Swan.

(01:02:17):
We're on Twitter, TikTok, Instagram. We are where you are
come follow us talking about Dabosweeney's top hires as a
head coach. So I put together the list. We've released
a couple of them so far. I had some issues
with where to fit the new pieces Tom Allen, where

(01:02:43):
to fit Garrett Riley at this point, but I did
want them. I did feel like it was fair to
put them in the top ten because, like if I
think about a top ten list, right, you can play
your way on to it, or play your way off
of it, or in this case, coach your way onto

(01:03:04):
it or coach your way off to it, off of it.
Excuse me. So I did want to include them as
they are two very recent and notable hires, But starting
with number ten, I put Todd Bates and a debate

(01:03:25):
ensued within my mind whether or not Baits should be
on this list because obviously didn't have a long tenure
at Clemson twenty seventeen through twenty twenty one. Piggyback off
this success of a retired Dan Brooks, for sure, and

(01:03:45):
I think a lot of people out there would be
rooting for Nick Easton right to fill this spot at
some point. But I can't slide Nick Easton into this
spot just yet because and I think Easton would probably
be number eleven on the outside like fighting to get

(01:04:08):
on this list. But Todd Bates joined Clempsons staff in
twenty seventeen, again following the retirement of Dan Brooks. He
got a loaded room and he was Clemson's first defensive
line coach. Sole defensive line coaches Ron West in two
thousand and four. At Clemson, the Tigers made back to

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back National Championship game appearances in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen,
won the national title in twenty eighteen had the had
the UH Power Rangers, Christian Wilkins, Cleveland Ferrell, Dexter Lawrence,
and Austin Bryant starring in that group. And he was

(01:04:56):
a solid recruiter, very solid recruiter. And of course Bits
left to go join Brent Vinnables in Oklahoma. And I
get it like in that moment, you're probably looking at

(01:05:17):
the pecking order of coaches at Clemson and you recognize that,
you know, the upward path towards being a co coordinator
or anything like that was pretty long. So maybe you
roll out to Oklahoma and make your way there. And

(01:05:38):
speaking of which, if you haven't been keeping up with
Todd Bates, he is indeed co defensive coordinator at Oklahoma.
He is in charge of the run defense and the
defensive tackles. He's an associate head coach. And so the

(01:05:59):
movie I think made a lot of sense for a
guy like Todd Bates because that type of advance was
not going to be available at Clemson. Now up to
number nine, as I mentioned in nour number one, I
went with Robbie Calbwell. You know Calwell had when he

(01:06:21):
arrived at Clemson, Caldwell had been a long tenured college
football coach, dating back to nineteen seventy eight. Just after
his playing days at Furman, he coached the offensive line
at n c State for thirteen years from nineteen eighty
six to nineteen ninety nine. Then he coached the offensive

(01:06:42):
line for a couple of years at North Carolina before
taking over that role at Vanderbilt. He was the head
coach at Vandy for one season at twenty ten, and
then arrived at Clemson. He coached for a decade in Tigertown,
and his arrival at Clemson came on the heels of

(01:07:03):
Brad Scott's retirement from coaching offensive line at Clemson. And
you know, I think the most notable thing about Robbie
Caldwell and his tenure at Clemson is that if you
look at the NFL Draft and the lack of players there,

(01:07:26):
you might go, what do you mean? This guy wasn't
wasn't creating NFL ready players, And he had a handful
here and there, But it was about maximizing those players
that he had, getting the most out of that offensive
line group. And still to this day, and you look

(01:07:48):
at where the Tigers are now with their offensive line
and the job that's being done by Matt Luke. You
can't help but not recognize that Robbie Caldwell is still
around the program. He's shifted into a director of high
school relations. He's got a steady presence with offensive line

(01:08:14):
recruits and their families. He's still a known name. But
I think that was required a little bit more during
Thomas Austin's short stint as the offensive line coach versus
now with Matt Luke. It doesn't mean that Caldwell doesn't
have any impact or influence, but I think Clemson has

(01:08:37):
finally got like a standalone offensive line coach in Matt Luke,
and Calwell can still continue to do the things he's doing,
but he doesn't, I think, have to have nearly the
impact that he did, maybe under or not under. But
while Thomas Austin was the offensive line coach, And think
about this, during Caldwell's tenure, Clemson went on twenty one

(01:09:01):
with eleven ten plus win season, seven ACC titles, and
four appearances in the National Championship Game with two titles.
I mean callbwell Man all right, keep up with it.
Tomorrow will release number eight Dabosweeney's ten best Assistant coaching
hires during his tenure at Clemson. We're running them down.
We're counting them down. I should say, from number ten

(01:09:25):
to number one. Find out who I think number eight
is tomorrow on our website clemsonsports Talk dot com. All right,
we hit a quick break when we come back. The
release of NCAA College Football is almost upon us, and
there's a new way you can help your favorite team.

(01:09:46):
I'll tell you about it when we return. Long Swan
with you. Monday afternoon, hot Monday, little storm coming in
in the evening. The weather has not been awful, though,
I will say that has not been unbearable yet. Don't
jinx at swanee. I know. So talking about NCAA College Football,

(01:10:08):
the video game, well, I guess it's no longer. I
guess it's not called NCAA College Football anymore? Is it
EA Sports College Football? Not to mention the fact that
now we just talked about the College Sports Commission, in
the fact that the NCAA is essentially going to dissolve
in a lot of ways. I can't see many ways

(01:10:30):
it's going to last. But back in the day, it
was called NCAA College Football, and it was a great
video game. And there was a time and I know
some of you are not going to believe this, but
there was a time where I would go like at

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midnight and wait for this thing to be released.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
And you are one pathetic loser.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
I'm sorry. The game was great. You get it, you
go home, you play it, build the rosters, you can
load the names of the rosters. And then of course
everybody freaked out about twenty fourteen and we had to
get rid of the game. We had to get rid
of the game because players weren't being paid. Of course,

(01:11:20):
that ended up pushing us down towards where we are
today with nil. But guess what Now players get six
hundred bucks in a copy of the game if they
are you know, if they agree to be in the game.
But now there's a way that you, yes, you can
help your team because, according to reports in EA College

(01:11:46):
Football twenty twenty six, schools will get paid based on
how much gamers play with their team, a pay for
play situation from EA. School's royalties are directly tied to

(01:12:07):
the usage in EA Sports college football, So if you
want to support your favorite team, play with them. Electronic
Arts has devised a new method of paying universities for
the usage of their names, image and likenesses in the
new game, and it ties to royalties directly to how

(01:12:31):
often the teams are used in game play. The new
royalty structures were revealed in documents obtained by the Freedom
of Information Act. College Football twenty six will be released
worldwide on July the tenth. Yeah, I'm fired up, I don't.

(01:12:53):
My son's got a next gen console. I need a
next gen console. And last year's Versus of the game,
according to reports, became the most widely played sports video
game of all time. Again, it was gone for ten years,
so everybody was excited to get it back. So, according

(01:13:16):
to the document, for each college football product released by
EA Sports, clc Learfield will provide a percentage for each
institution based on the games played for that institution as
a percentage of the total games played across all institutions.
This percentage of games played will become the final allocation

(01:13:39):
percentage for each school that will be applied to the
total gross royalties for an institution. For example, total royalties
reported an institution in a university pool five million total
games played, seven hundred million institution a games were played
seven million times institution A would get one percent. That's

(01:14:04):
seven million games played out of the seven hundred million
total for royalties of one percent of five million, which
is fifty thousand dollars. Now, you're not they I mean, listen,
you're not breaking the bank. You know, wide open for
Clemson by playing with the Tigers. The most that's out

(01:14:28):
there available would be five million dollars based off of
these numbers. And what that could do is, let's say
you've got like a great player and more kids are
playing with that player across the country, you could get
fifty thousand dollars that you could technically give to that
player to help keep them right. It helped to keep

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them at the university. And EA also put out a
tiered ranking system. Every FBS school adopted into the game
was assigned one to four tiers based on the previous
ten years of final AP Poll results. This is good
for Clemson twenty fourteen through twenty twenty three, when the

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team finished the year in the APS top twenty five,
it received one point and so the following graphic shows
which FBS schools fell into which tier for the game.
Tier one at the top of college football Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson,

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Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Oregon, Oklahoma State, Penn State, Utah,
and Iowa. Tier two feature schools like Southern Cal, Florida State,
and Texas, Florida Auburn to name a few. Tier three

(01:15:57):
features teams like Syracuse, Kansas, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, and SMU,
and Tier four features teams like Texas Tech, unlv Cal,
Florida International, Duke, and others. So, as of these documents,

(01:16:22):
those tiered schools based on the minimum number of guaranteed royalties,
ranging from nearly one hundred thousand dollars for Tier one
to less than ten thousand for Tier two. So Tier
one schools could get nine ninety eight hundred and seventy

(01:16:44):
five dollars and sixteen cents according to this. So we'll
see a kind of a unique way for fans to
help out, plus teams benefiting from how good they've been
in recent years. I'm an interesting take on the world
of college football. All right, quick break and we'll come back.

(01:17:07):
Hard to believe, two hours in the books here. We'll
put a bow on the show when we return. Right
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Just don't lose sight of the bigger picture.

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Don't forget history. Lucky for us at Clemson, the answer
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And what have you done? Always are the same. We
win final segment on a Monday afternoon. Sorry we didn't

(01:18:40):
get William Qualkin Bush on the show today, he's on vacation.
Don't worry. Facts and Childress, the Facts Man going to
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the lack of William Qualkin Bush with the facts of
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(01:19:03):
a zero three four or five zero zero eighty six
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the program any time, any place you wear on our website.
So we're talking about college football. But now with the
judge granting the final approval of the house settlement, as
we began the show, we'll close it. Colleges can now pay.

(01:19:28):
As strange as that sounds, Athletic departments can now pay
student athletes. The easiest way to say it, amateur athleticism
is dead at the collegiate level. It is a multi
billion dollar entity, it absolutely is. And I don't think

(01:19:53):
that we, you know, necessarily had to venture down this
path as far as we have. Some would say greed
led us there, not necessarily the greed of the players,
but the greed of the universities in the early goins

(01:20:13):
when they had a chance to give more to the players.
And now all bets are off on what the future
of college sports, of college sports will look like again.
Any in IL deal six hundred dollars or more must
be approved. A college baseball rosters will go to thirty four,

(01:20:37):
So I use thirty five in my example. But schools
are now allowed to offer unlimited scholarships thirty four in
D one baseball. I guess I don't know if that's
what I would consider unlimited, but much more than eleven
point seven. I saw that from the Rogers, and so

(01:21:02):
it's going to be interesting to see what the impact
of all of that can be and what changes, what
changes come from all of this. Again tonight, speaking of
college baseball, the final spot in about an hour up
for grabs the Murray State Racers and the Duke Blue

(01:21:25):
Devil seven o'clock on ESPN, as those two face off
for the right to book the final ticket to Omaha.
As Louisville and Oregon State completed their path to the
College World Series, Arizona and Coastal Carolina, LSU and Arkansas,

(01:21:52):
and UCLA now awaits the winner of Murray State and
Duke Rocos Yellow Shot Challenge. You are almost on the
clock and will certainly be on the clock after I
would say probably around ten o'clock tonight, after this baseball
game wraps up, right around seven o'clock start, Let go

(01:22:14):
three and a half for the long version, say ten
thirty also tonight in the NHL series tied to the
game apiece Edmonton and Florida for Lord Stanley's Cup eight
o'clock on TNT, and a slew of Major League Baseball
games taking place across your television this evening. Not to

(01:22:39):
mention your Atlanta Braves, who are fourteen games out one
of the top teams at Major League Baseball seven straight losses.
Now they are twenty seven and thirty seven. It's one
of the expected top teams in Major League Baseball currently
with the long losing streak in Major League Baseball, fourteen

(01:23:03):
games back in the New York Mets, nearly at the
bottom of the NL East. Are your Atlanta Braves? Oof?
I know the Braves fans. This is why listen. I'll
pull for him. I'll pull for them in the playoffs.
But with one hundred and sixty two games to invest, Like,

(01:23:29):
at what point do you divest? Is it now? I
hope it's now sixty? What four games in? I hope
you've already broken off your hope? You know, like maybe
like check back if they get above five hundred, you know,

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like set some set some little points along the way,
because I gotta tell you they are in a bad
way right now, a bad way, or your Atlanta Braves.
And look, I'm so hands off on it all. I
have a team in the American League. They're not very
good either, the Boston Red Sox. They're eight and a
half games back. You know how much sleep I've lost

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over those two teams this year? None? If they're in
the playoffs. Do you know how excited I get about
it through the roof? Well, Swanne, you don't follow them
through thick and thin you're right, it's one hundred and
sixty two games. No, I don't all right, we'll be
back tomorrow, Mike. You've all joined us from game cockcentral
dot com too. Then, as always, you'll take care now

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and goat tigers