The "Racing to Omaha" Edition

Murray State stuns the college baseball world, making a trip to Omaha for the CWS.

Episode Transcript

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catching up with facts in here on the show again.
A couple of new members to Clemson's Ring of Honor,

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just one in the football stadium, the other in Clemson's
Ring of Honor that's not recognized in the football stadium.
I do find that interesting, and we can certainly come
back to this Michael Dean Perry football player. That means
he'll be put into death Valley. Larry Penley, former Clemson

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golf coach, will of course just be put into the
Ring of Honor, which is a higher honor than being
in the Hall of Fame. But there's no real place
to display that, I'm aware of, Larry Penley. We'll ask
Timbrey on Thursday about that, Like why is there not

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like a ring of mine? And I get it, Like,
you can't go put it at the Walker Course. Clemson
didn't even play the Walker Course. But let's say Little
John Coliseum. Maybe you put the Ring of Honor there
for everybody else that's not in football. I mean, obviously

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you can get on the wall out at Doug Kingsmore Stadium.
I'm assuming that is the Ring of Honor. I haven't
even thought about it until just now. But what about
people who don't have a arena. Where do we put

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Larry Penley's ring of honor? I have no idea on
golf bags. Who knows? All right, anyway, we'll talk about
their accomplishments while they were at Clemson in just a
little bit. But we also have now all of the
teams out in Omaha. The situation is booked. The racers

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of Murray State race Pass to do Blue Devils late yesterday,
winning five to four over the Blue Devils and securing
a berth in the twenty twenty five College World Series,
still sponsored by a Way for It. The NC Double
A SO bracket won. The upper half of the bracket

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features Coastal Carolina and Arizona. The winner of that matchup
will face off with the winner of Oregon State and Louisville.
Coastal Carolina and Arizona play Friday at one o'clock on ESPN.
Oregon State and Louisville play at six o'clock on Friday

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on ESPN. In the other half of the bracket, UCLA
will take on Murray State at one o'clock Saturday on
the ESPN, and the winner of that game will face
the winner of Arkansas and LSU, which will be played
on Saturday at six pm on ESPN. Of course, the

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losers the losers will match up in the Loser's bracket
and have a chance to battle their way back into
the finals. The winner of Bracket one and the winner
of Bracket two will face off in a best of
three series, which will begin Saturday, June twenty first, at

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six pm on the ESPN. Game two will be played
Sunday at one thirty on ABC, and then, if necessary,
Game three will be played on June twenty third at
six thirty. So that's the way it all shakes up.
Some people out there asking the question, do we need

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to talk about receding the NCAA tournament with the bracket
You take a look at it because of the upsets
along the way, And this is where I am vehemently
against receding. Here's why, Why would you recreate an advantage

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for a conference that underperformed. And certainly you could say, hey, swanee,
what league has the most teams in the final eight
teams the Southeastern Conference with two of them. You're right,
but I will add to that they started with thirteen
and ironically, everybody else is from a different conference. All

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other leagues are represented, just in a singular fashion. But
why would you recede it to separate Arkansas in LSU
simply because the other highly valued and highly rated teams
from the Southeastern Conference were eliminated? Oh, crimea River. Why

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should lower seated teams like Murray State that earned this
opportunity that one on the field be punished by a
consequence of having to face off against a higher seated
team or a better team simply because other teams around

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the country didn't perform. Right, Because if all the top
teams had performed, if all the top teams have done
what they were supposed to do, can we all agree
that this bracket would be lined up appropriately, that one
would be facing eight, and two would be facing seven,
and three would be facing six, and five would be

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facing four. Why is that the fault of Murray State?
Why is that the fault of Arizona or Louisville or
any of the teams that weren't ranked as top sixteen
seeds going into the NCAA tournament. It's not their fault
and they certainly shouldn't be punished because of that. If

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you wanted one versus eight and two, versus seven and three,
versus six and five, verses four or four versus five.
I guess I should say, guess what it could have been?
But those teams didn't go out and get the job.
Say it with me now, dne the job done. The

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other schools earned it. They've put themselves in this position
because they've earned it. And maybe you're just the SEC
haunt that feels like, oh, well, you know, if Arkansas
was seated number one because they're the lowest seed remaining
and LSU was seated number two because they're the second
best seed remaining, then we could get an all SEC

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champ chip game. Well, whoop, te do guess what you
had thirteen teams in. You had thirteen teams in sucking
up Buttercup, crime A River. Go feel bad for somebody else,
because I certainly do not feel bad for you. Guys.
Let me get out of here. Reced this thing. No,

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And you know what I hope. I hope UCLA or
Murray State rips Arkansas and or LSU right out of
the tournament. Now I'm not even I don't even like
to be on the side of Oh I'm a Southeastern
Conference hater, but good gracious, the fans out there are
so ridiculous, and I am, quite frankly a little bit
tired of the the better than thou mentality that that

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league carries. Good gracious, holier than thou might be the
better word here in the Bible Belt. I mean this,
this conference just acts like they just walk on rose
pedals and everybody else is coming up off of the
the rough streets. I just I can't. I can't deal

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with the nonsense of thought process about reseeding the NCAA
tournament bracket simply because you don't like the way it fell.
Guess what, this is a preceded bracket. It was already
set up the right way. I mean, it literally was
set up for one to play eight. But Louisville had

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something to say about it, or actually Louisville didn't because
one was eliminated after round one. But you smell it.
I'm shoveling like it was set up so that it
would be seated correctly. Just because those teams couldn't make

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it is not the fault of the teams that did
make it. So I just think that's foolish, and anybody
that tries to convince you otherwise, I think is foolish.
I mean, what would that do? So if you did that,
put Arkansas versus Burney State, why should the Racers be punished?

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I guess it put LSU versus or maybe Arizona. I'm
not sure. We'd have to look at the overall seedings.
I can't even tell you who it would put where
now at this point. Quite frankly, I think that would
be the other tough part about it. You just draw
it up and you play it. Now. I don't necessarily

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love the format of the College World Series, with essentially
two double elimination tournaments taking place at the same time.
I don't know what better format you could do, though,
which is something I certainly would not try to convince
anybody of. I mean, if you went to single elimination,

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you know, maybe maybe something like that, or you know,
I know people would poopoo that and they'd say, no way, man,
you can't do single elimination. But maybe you could do
some sort of cross bracket double elimination. Is that even possible,
where say the losers of game one drop down to

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Bracket two and the losers of bracket to game one, right,
would go into the upper bracket, so that you'd get
a little more random play throughout the College World Series.
I don't know if that makes sense to you at home,
but what I'm essentially saying is the loser of Coastal
and Arizona would drop down to the bottom half of

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the bracket, and the loser of Oregon State and Louisville
would drop down to the bottom half of the bracket.
And then they would obviously have to play each other.
But then when they advanced, those teams would play against
the winners of UCLA and Arkansas. It kind of mix
up the bracket a little bit as you went along

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the way. It would be still incredibly difficult to battle back,
but you wouldn't battle back through maybe the team that
knocked you into the loser's bracket. Does that make sense
that the losers side would sort of switch? Now, the
problem I see with that is you would have to
play four games on the same day. You can't stagger

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the play, which is probably why this is the preferred method.
But all that being said, College World Series is here again.
Coastal Carolina versus Arizona, Oregon State versus Louisville, and bracket
one Friday at two pm Eastern. I may have been

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was I reading. I was reading local times earlier. Sorry,
so scratch all of that. That was the local central
time zone stuff for Omaha. So Friday's Coastal Carolina Arizona
game begins at two pm on the ESPN, Friday's Oregon

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State Louisville game begins at seven pm on the ESPN,
and then Bracket two UCLA and Murray State Saturday at
two pm, Arkansas and LSU Saturday at seven pm. And
that would mean that all of the other times, I
feel like I need to go back and read them.
I don't really want to, but if I don't, somebody

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will say, Swannie, you said at least you'll be you'd
be an hour early for everything. I'm not gonna make
you late. None of those start times I gave you
would make you late. I wonder it does say all
times are central. Ah, what a bozo? What a clown?

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So there you go. I think that's mostly what I gave. Yeah,
I told you the final games. So instead of Game
one of the Finals being at six pm on Saturday,
June twenty first, it is gonna be seven and Game
two will be at two thirty on Sunday, June twenty second,
and if necessary, Game three on Monday at seven thirty

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pm on ESPN. So there you go. So I wasn't.
I wasn't completely I did because I didn't go through
the whole bracket, right, But yeah, those are Central Central
Standard times, and it looks like every game is on

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ESPN except for what appears to be Game six, which
would be the winners of the first two games Coastal
and Arizona in Oregon State Louisville. That's on Sunday, and

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I guess because of Sunday Night Baseball that will be
played on ESPN two. We don't have the channels for
the if necessary games, but everything else appears to be
on ESPN I except for Game two of the championship,
which is on ABC on Sunday. So there you go,

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just laying all of that out there for you again.
Eighth three four five zero zero eighty six. Last night,
as I mentioned, the Duke Blue Devils were eliminated by
Murray State. So for Duke and North Carolina, a bitter
ending to the season as both schools lose on their

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home field in the final game in a three game series.
And for the Blue Devils, they were seeking their first
College World Series appearance since nineteen sixty one. As for
Murray State, they became the fourth number four seed to

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advance to Omaha. And I saw a graphic not a
graphic of a photo on social media of Murray State's
baseball facility, Johnny Reagan Field, named after their longtime head coach,
has a seating capacity of eight hundred. That's insane, eight hundred.

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Johnny Reagan coached the Thoroughbreds. He won seven hundred and
seventy six games in a eleven Ohio Valley Conference titles
and was named the Ohio Valley Conference Coach of the
Year nine times and was inducted into the Murray State
Hall of Fame in nineteen seventy one. So the Racers

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are still on the track trying to make a run
to an unprecedented national championship. Eight hundred people. I mean
it almost like they are so underwhelming in terms of

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their baseball program. I hate to say that that if
they were to make some kind of crazy run and
win a national championship, it would make Coastal Carolina and
their run to the national championship look like night and day,
given the amplitude of the two programs and the support

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based behind the two programs, even by comparison to before
Coastal Carolina won a national championship. I mean, that's that's
how that's how disproportionate Murray State's program is by comparison
to essentially everybody else in Omaha. I mean, I don't

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have the figures for attendance at all of these schools,
but I can guarantee you it is a lot more
than eight hundred people the coach from what I saw
most the grass at the facility for crying out loud,
that's yeah, the Murray State Racers. There's a team to

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root for. By the way, got a little nugget about
the College World Series for you when we return, keep
it locked the show. That's to Southland Clemson Sports salo
On Swan with you here on the program, all right.
For the first time, this is a college baseball nugget.
For the first time since nineteen fifty seven. This is

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insane to me. For the first time since nineteen fifty seven,
that sixty eight years, none of the eight teams in
the men's College World Series will have attended the previous year.

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Like it's almost incomprehensible to me. Statistically speaking, we live
in a day and age where you compose the question
and you can actually have a computer look at that information. So,
according to what I was able to come up with,

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the probability that none of last year's teams make it
back in a single season, taking a look at roughly
the total number of teams being three hundred and the
number of slots being eight, and last year's participants that
have to avoid getting back being eight unique teams. From that,

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we can return that in any given year, there's roughly
an eighty two point two percent chance that at least
one team returns, meaning that there's like a seventeen point
eight percent chance that I guess no one does. Now

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that's seventeen point eight that's just a year, So we
have to talk about that happening for sixty eight years.
Each year there was a seventeen percent chance that a
team from the previous season would get there. But for

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that seventeen percent to pay off, for lack of a
better term, for sixty eight years, it's essentially astronomical. According
to the numbers that I got, it's practically zero. The

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number is zero point zero zero zero with fifty five
zeros and then for forty six, so not quite zero
but pretty close to zero. That that is that that

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happened that for sixty eight years a team who was
at the College World Series returned the following year. Now,
don't get it wrong. Look, if you got a good
baseball program, you got a good baseball program, and the
odds that you get there are probably good. But for

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sixty eight seasons, the fact that there was all ways
a team that returned pullows my mind, absolutely blows my mind,

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and I certainly think it's good for the sport. That
means there's a whole bunch of new fan bases that
are invested. West Durham put out a tweet asking do
teams like Murray State and Coastal Carolina making the trip
to Omaha give you more pause about heavy money being

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poured into football and basketball or do those schools give
you the feel that the old fashioned way still exists
in other college sports? I mean, personally, I don't. I
don't think at this point you can really feel like

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this is all about the amount of money that those
schools maybe dedicate to baseball that the other schools can't
and I also still believe that, deep down right, the
college experience for a player, the college experience isn't just

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about the coin you can make. I still believe that
inherently that if you were to if you were to believe,
and I'm not saying that this is the case, Murray
State's where they are because they've got more money readily
available to give to baseball, which I don't believe. But

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even if you did, even if that was the assumption,
the premise that you wanted to run with, even if
that were the case, I think one thing we could
all agree upon is that if you were a kid
and you said, well, do you want to go play
at LSU or do you want to go play in

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front of eight hundred people at Murray State? Most kids
would say, I want to play at LSU. You're gonna
make a little bit less, yeah, but I'm gonna get
higher exposure. Now, what does this run to the Collegeward
Series do for Murray State moving forward? That's a bigger question.

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I mean, obviously, Coastal Carolina winning the national championship in
college baseball put them in a different plane, right, It
put them on a different stratosphere for who their program

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is and that hasn't changed in nearly a decade. They
are well respected after winning their title in twenty sixteen,
and Clemson in South Carolina have taken a back seat
to Coastal Carolina as being the top teams in the state.

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And for Clemson on the historical basis at this point,
it's hard not to argue that over the past twenty years,
you are the third best team in this state behind
South Carolina and Coastal Carolina. But Coastal is currently the
top team in the state and they have been. You

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don't agree with me, text me let me know a
zero three four or five, zero, zero eighty six. Clemson
is better than South Carolina right now too. By the way,
I'll just put that out there for anybody that's steaming
the text. Right now, the pecking order in this state
seems to be Coastal Carolina, Clemson, South Carolina. Quick break.

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When we come back, we talked about the new College
Sports Commission. Yesterday. More from Washington, d C. On that front,
including the NCAA. When we return, stay with us another day,
another conversation about the future of college athletics. Again, we
talked about the College Sports Commission yesterday and the fact

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that universities will now be able to play pay players directly.
And one of the things we talked about here on
the program was essentially what does the future of the
NCUBLEA hold. And today there is a push from the

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NCUABA and the Power five leagues or the Power four
for that matter, to enact federal legislation around college sports.
A couple of US representatives introduced the College Sports Athlete
Protections and Opportunities through Rights, Transparency and Safety Act, dubbed

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the College Sports Act. It's a bipartisan piece of legislation
that includes many of the provisions that the nc DOUBLEA
has repeatedly requested, such as federal preemption of state laws
and codification that college athletes are not employees. This according

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to On three, the bill would also allow athletes to
use their scholarships to complete a degree within ten years
even if they leave school early, and establish agent registration
and disclosure requirements, which would be a good thing because
right now, college players as much money as is available

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to them. The cash grab has also been about some
of the adults around them, and I'm not specifically talking
about parents, right I'm talking about agents and other individuals
who are trying to get their grubby little hands on everything.
Greg Sank in the conversation with reporters on Monday, said quote,

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I don't think this is about drawing lines between Democrats
and Republicans or the House in the Senate. I think
this is about an opportunity for our governmental leaders, our
political leaders to come together around solutions to support our
Olympic Development program, to support college football in every one
of our sports that flows off of that, including those

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that are labeled as non revenue sports, to provide additional
support for women's sports. Meanwhile, the discussion draft has been
circulating around college athletics, and the proposal under the House
of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce would also codify
much of what the NCAA has pushed lawmakers to enact
in recent years. The House subcommittee scheduled to discuss the

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draft on Thursday. In a joint statement, the ACC Big ten,
Big twelve, PAC twelve, and SEC of course back twelve
just currently two, but looking to expand, adding in several
schools over the next few years, saying quote, this discussion
draft comes at the time of historic transition and college

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athletics in the absence of federal standards, student athletes and
schools have been forced to navigate a fractured regulatory framework
for too long following the historic House settlement, this draft
legislation presents a very encouraging step towards delivering the national
clarity and accountability that college athletics desperately needs. We urge

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lawmakers to build on this momentum and deliver the national
solution that athletes, colleges, and schools deserve. The renewed push
for federal legislation comes just after the House versus NCAA
settlement was approved. Since the NCAA was founded in nineteen
oh six, institutions have never directly paid athletes. That's going
to change, as we talked about here on the program yesterday,

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ushering in a new revenue sharing era in college sports.
For the new College Sports Commission to be successful in
enforcing the settlement, many around college sports believe it needs
federal backing. Bryan Seeley, as we mentioned yesterday, has been
presented as the CEO of the new commission. Additional one

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thing we did not talk about, but Mac Brown, former
head coach at North Carolina in Texas, brings up the
thought process that schools need to have a salary cap. Brown,
speaking with David Pollock, said, I think we should have
a salary cap period. We should definitely have a rookie
salary cap. Coaches are calling around anyway and saying, what's

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the going rate for a quarterback? A great quarterback? So
we're kind of doing that anyway. But if the NFL
can do it, then why can't college do it? And
it would be better for the players, it'd be better
for the families. Then you can go back and think
about if North Carolina and Georgia can offer you the
same amount of money, you can go back and have
some money, but have a discussion about which university is
best for you, and then Nicholas can start thinking about

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what's best for him. We always said it's a four
year decision. It's not a four year decision. Well, the
last few years it's been a one year decision. It's
been a six month decision. Mac Brown said, And I
think that's a space tacular point, and it's a point
that your boy Swanny has been making here for years

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on the air.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Oh I'm just mart Oh, I'm just mart Hey, tem Markie,
I mean, he's tm a.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
RT I've always said that there should be a cap.
You'll you'll recall these conversations where if you take say
twenty freshmen in a class, those twenty freshmen at a
max can make one hundred thousand dollars apiece, and as

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sophomores you can make one fifty and as juniors you
can make two hundred thousand, and as seniors you can
make two to fifty quarter of a million. I mean,
that's that's not the worst existence off the pay scale,
but make that across the board. And again, I know

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my situation, my con thoughts on under different than mac Brown's,
but there absolutely should be a scale. There should be
a cap, and that should include, in my opinion, the
nil dollars, which should not be allowed to come from
in this situation. If you were to change this from collectives. Now,

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if Nike wants to pay you in addition, that's all
well and good. That might be a reason to go
to a bigger program because maybe Nike wants more exposure.
But it shouldn't be Okay, here's the salary cap, and
George's collect us paying me another two million like that
just doesn't feel right. Like I've asked this years ago.
Why can't the owner of Ford, who also owns the

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Detroit Lions, pay a quarterback the league minimum and have
them do commercials for Ford and pay them thirty five
million dollars a year because you know, oh that that's
against the rules and it should be at the collegiate
level as well. Final segment hour number one right after
this back at It Clemson Sports Talk Final segment hour

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one to come up facts and Childress joins the show.
So the workaround that I talked about a few minutes ago.
If the owner of the Lions, who I believe is
the owner or one of the owners of the Ford

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Motor Company. So this is the easiest example across the
board for people to understand. She La Ford hamp owns
the Detroit Lions. The Ford families owned the Lions is
sixty three. She's not the sole owner of Ford Motor Company,
but a big part of it. Ford Motor Company is

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owned by the shareholders. But it is against the rules
in the NFL for her to hire a quarterback at
the league minimum while paying him thirty two million to
advertise for Ford Motor Company all over the country. This
would be a circumvention of the salary cap, and it

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is a serious offense under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement.
So all NFL player compensation must be accounted for under
the salary cap, including any payments made due to the
player football services, whether direct or indirect, since Ford Motor
Company would be owned right or any company owned by

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the same individual who owns the Lions. If the Lions
player is paid thirty two million by Ford, the league
would consider that a related party payment and the NFL
would investigate whether the payment was truly fair market for
the endorsement or if it was just a disguise for
additional football compensation. And if you are found guilty of that,

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you could be fined, lose draft picks, or be forced
to count that against your salary cap retroactively. Now has
that ever happened in the NFL, I mean, because obviously

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we got a lot of leagues that you could certainly
focus on. But as I am aware, there's never been
a publicly confirmed case where the NFL had a quote
related party business like the team's owner, trying to funnel
money to a player to evade the salary cap. However,

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there have been rumors of such suspicions, if you will,
but there's never been a exact, you know, a time
where it's been proven. In nineteen ninety, the San Francisco

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forty nine ers that Dion Sanders had a situation where
the Niners were investigated for a deferred compensation scheme. It
wasn't a related party endorsement, but rather an attempt to
push cap obligations to future years. The NFL later tightened
the rules around deferred payments in cases like that. That
would be sort of the Barry Bonds, not Barry Bond,

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excuse me, Bobby Bania deal. And I'm sure Bobby Bania,
now this would be in baseball. But Bobby Benia's payday,
I believe it's coming up. It feels like it's a
summer thing. He had July, the first Bobby Benia Day,
right around the bend. He's going to get a deferred
payment of one point one million dollars part of an

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agreement to a contract he made in two thousand. Hey,
kudos to him. He'll get a million dollars every year
till twenty thirty five. We'll talk more about that on
July the first, excuse me, the Denver Broncos had an
issue with John Elway and Terrell Davis in the nineteen
nineties where they were fined for salary cap violations, including

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improperly deferred payments promised outside of official contracts. The violations
were not related to a separate company, but demonstrated how
teams tried to hide compensations. So basically they said, hey, look, guys,
we'll pay you ten million dollars a year, but after
you retire, we'll give you another ten million or whatever

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that number was. And in twenty twelve, the Cowboys and
the Commanders both had issues. They were penalized for front
loading contracts during the twenty ten uncapped year, violating the
spirit of the cap, even though it wasn't technically a violation.
So even if an owner could attempt to disguise compensations

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through related business, they don't risk it because of the
collective bargaining agreement and the consequences that could happen. And
that would be the way, or that would be how
it would have to be done collegiately. You know, there
would have to be a collectively bargained agreement across the

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board that players would not be compensated outside of the
jurisdiction of the school via nil to some inordinate degree,
I guess, or even just the elimination of the collectives

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would be my suggestion. If the local car dealer wants
to pay a kid to advertise, that's one thing, but
you know what will happen. College sports is a dirty
your business than professional sports, in part because it's not

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owned by billionaires. The fans feel like they are part
of the ownership team. Is so what you what what
some of you would do would be you would suggest
behind closed doors, then we're going to take our collective
and we're going to go down to a car dealership
and we're going to convince said car dealership that will

(41:28):
funnel the money. We will push the money towards the
dealership so that you can pay the players to advertise.
That way, the burden of paying the player is not
on the dealership anymore. It's still on the collective, just
hidden behind the dealership and clever, yes, against the spirit

(41:52):
of the rules in that moment, would it be absolutely
And you can only hope that whatever legislative body we
end up with or whatever rules come out are harsh
enough that we can have a system in place that's
fair across the board for everybody, and where circumventing the

(42:15):
payment plans would be prevented. Hour number two around the
Bend stay with us each time for Clipson Sports Talk
with luwten Schwan. It is our number two. That's drivetime

(43:06):
writer on the show that Shakes the South, lay and
Clemson Sports talon Swan hanging out with you on a Tuesday.
I thought we might be able to get Facts and
Childress on today, but I think we're gonna stick with
Mike Eva cause of some scheduling issues, and we'll go
with Facts and tomorrow. Mike Man, what's up, buddy? How

(43:27):
are you?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I'm doing well. Swani, how you doing?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I'm good? But hey, look, I know there's a lot
going on in the world of college sports, but probably
nothing bigger than the House versus the nc DOUBLEA and
the ruling that came down creating the College Sports Commission
and how that's gonna impact the sport moving forward. It
does feel like Mike that in a large respect, and

(43:50):
I know the NCAA's got some legislation going on throughout
the remainder of the week to try to figure out
maybe their bigger part in all of this, but boy,
it sure do us feel like with schools being able
to pay athletes directly, that we have crossed over into
a realm in which we've never seen before.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
No question about it.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
And this was certainly a long time coming. We've known
about this now for the last couple of months, right,
And the biggest.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Question was would it be approved? Right?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
I mean, I know that's silly to say, but would
it happen? I think a lot of us expected it to.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
And now that's finally here.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
College sports as we know it is going to change
come July first.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Now, I think the big thing Swani.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
A lot of people will look at the cap, right,
the nil cap at twenty point five million. To me,
I don't want to say it's the bigger story, because
certainly that's a big part.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
But to me, something that is really big that's just
getting overlooked.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Is the fact now when you talk about nil additional
nil outside of that cap, if it exceeds six hundred dollars,
it is going to have to be approved by the
clearing ups.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
They're gonna go through the process, They've got to be
approved by the school.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
So I think that while there's still plenty of gray area,
and for as much flack as I mean myself, I
don't want to speak for you, but I'm sure many
people have given the NCAA over the last couple of years,
since this whole nil that we know it has come about,
they are finally getting off their frigging hands and they're saying,

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all right, what can we do now.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I'm sure this is gonna get brought to court.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
I'm sure that this is far from being over, but
now we're at least seeing some type of structure, And
what I'm.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Hoping is this will catapult.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Us to a point where there's more conversations, whether it
be some type of CBA agreement, which I still think
where there's still a bunch of hurdles that we would
have to overcome because you're gonna have to get the
players to agree to that, but it at least gets
us to a point where it's not as much of
the wild wild West and will hopefully put some type

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of structure. Is this what is what's best for college sports?
I don't know, because I think that college sports as
we once knew it, I think those days are far
along and I think those are gone. Unfortunately, for so
many of us who enjoyed what college sports used to be.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
You know, one of the interesting things that I've heard
recently Mac Brown talked about he felt like there should
undoubtedly be a salary cap for or I guess, you know,
the a top amount that players could make at a
certain maybe stage in their career might be a better

(46:38):
way to look at it, because what that brings back
into the fold in a lot of respects, Mike, is
what university is best for me as a player, for
me as a person. And I do think that's something
that is sadly missing from a lot of these individuals
today because it's not about the best four years, it's about,

(47:03):
you know, for in some cases, I think Mac Brown said,
you know, what's one year worth for me? What's six
months worth for me? And I think that, in a
lot of respects, is really the thing that's kind of
disenfranchised a lot of fans.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I think the other part of it, to your point
even further, that it's happening in high school now right
there's been a couple of reports. I know my colleagues
over and on three they've been talking about it that
there are players in high school that are getting paid
between ten thousand up to twenty thousand dollars just to
stay committed to a school when they're in freaking high school,

(47:41):
when they're getting ready for their problems and everything else that.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Comes with being in high school. So right, it's the
the unfortunate part.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And I'll say this so for people that say that,
I always just give Clemson flack.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
This was what Dan was talking about. This is what
he was worried about.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And obviously his words have been twisted so many times. Oh,
when's da Wi going to retire because players are getting paid?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
That's not what he was talking about. What he was
talking about.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Was just how it was going to change everything. And
I think, unfortunately, yes, we've been at it, but especially now,
we're at a point now where I feel like we're
just only scratching the circus swaning despite the fact that
there is, yes, there is some type of structure in place,
there is a cap in place, There are going to
be more regulation when it comes to nil outside outside

(48:34):
of what the schools are able to pay the said player.
But there's still so much more though that I feel
like we haven't hit on because how many times have
we talked about NIO over the last couple of years
on your show, and whether it be a couple months
or just the next year, we're talking about something I
want to say, completely different, but something much different than

(48:56):
what we were talking about the previous year, the previous
couple months, because this just continues to evolve. So we
sit here today June tenth, twenty twenty five, what is
it going to look like June tenth, twenty twenty six,
And I feel like what it looks like there is.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Gonna be different.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Now in twenty twenty seven, it's gonna continue to look different.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
So I don't know, but I just.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Hope that this is the beginning of bringing some type
of structure to go back to the point that I
mentioned the wild Wild West, so that we do have
some type of lanes, because there's no question that people
are taking advantage of all the gray area because the
NC DOUABLEA has just been sitting back for so long.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Mike, you've again on Twitter at Mike Underscore UVA. Obviously
a lot of the attention in the world of college
sports Mike now has turned to Omaha as the College
World Series is set. Two teams from the SEC in
Arkansas and LSU and a bevy of teams from a
host of other leagues around the country. Most notably, though,

(49:54):
the Murray State Racers beating Duke yesterday and getting into
the NCAA tournament stadium, Mike, I don't know if you've
seen this holds eight hundred people and the head coach
mows the grass. He's the grounds keeper. What are your
thoughts on the Murray State Racers make it a run
to Omaha.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
There's so many things that I take away from this.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I think the first and foremost what really makes me
happy more than anything is the fact that in an
error where we're seeing players jump from one team to another, Right,
maybe it's more money, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
These you know, and I put in ere quotes the Cinderella,
the Cinderella teams.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
It feels like in different sports we're seeing it disappear.
I mean, look at college basketball this past year, right,
there really weren't as many Cinderellas.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
It's ironic that we're talking about Murray State.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I promise that's not a shot against Clumpson, but you
know what I mean, there wasn't as many Cinderella teams
in the college basketball tournament. So I bring that up
because when you look at a team like that, they're
not supposed to make it this far.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
They're not supposed to make.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
It, especially in this or no way.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
It's refreshing. It's refreshing.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I know there's gonna be people out there and I
don't understand this twenty so. I know I talk about
the SEC when it comes to football and other sport wrong.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I think it's the.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Greatest conference for many sports, but I don't like this
whole You know, look how many ACC teams are there?
Oll get how many SEC. I think those people are
a bunch of freaking losers, quite frankly.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
So I bring that up because I just I want.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
The best eight teams that are playing the best ball
right now. And I'm happy to see Murray State there.
So it's not about Okay, well they got in over
an ACC team.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Give me a break, Give me a break.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Weout the SEC. How many give me a break. I
want to see the best eight. We know the ACC
has to.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Go through Regatland in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
We know that the SEC has to go through.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Regatland in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
But these are the best eight teams right now. And
congratulations to Murray State and an incredible story to what
you mentioned. You have the head coach going out there
reminds you of like a high school team taking care
of the field before a game.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
And I'll also add to that conversation. You know, I
think when you look at Coastal Carolina, it's clear over
the past decade now they are the best team in
the state of South Carolina that includes both Clemson and
South Carolina. They got a national championship in six or
excuse me, in twenty sixteen, and to make it back

(52:30):
to Omaha, while South Carolina and Clemson have just been
sitting at home watching all those years. What an impressive
job for the Chanta Clears. And certainly they are in
a lot of respects a Cinderella. But unlike say Gonzaga
and some other basketball Cinderellas that we've seen over the years,
Coastal cash that check one time, and they're in a

(52:51):
pretty good spot that maybe cash it again.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
And I'm a big fan of what Coastal has been
doing athletically, especially over this past year. Former Associate athletic
director Chance Miller is now the ad over there, and
he's just done a phenomenal job, not just in you know,
obviously the baseball structure was in place because of Gilmour
what he was able to accomplish for so many years.
But I bring up Miller because you have a guy

(53:17):
now that he wants to be able to win. So
whatever they need to be able to get, he's going
to be able to take what they were able to
learn from an SEC program and bring it there. So
I bring that up because I'm interested to see how
things continue from a baseball standpoint, how long they were
able to keep it going. And I don't think it's
one of those things that, Okay, you might have a
guy or two that gets an opportunity to go to

(53:38):
a bigger school, but I think they truly like being there.
The other part about at SWANY is this when I
look at the talent. When I look at the talent,
there was so much local talent on that roster, and
you never know the full stories are because you know,
when it comes to baseball recruiting, this stuff, I mean, shoot,
it goes into even high, it goes into school. Now

(54:00):
for crinel Oh, there's some guys that are gonna looked.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
At when they're in eighth grade.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
But it speaks volumes to the fact that.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
There's a lot of talent.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
To guys, we know how much talent is in the
state of South Carolina when it comes to baseball from
a high school standpoint, but Coastal, whether it be guys
that maybe Clemson in South Carolina overlooked, they brought them in,
they saw something and those guys, no question about it,
could have made an impact at schools like South.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Carolina and Clemson.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
So I think that's something that has really stood out
to me.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
There's just so much.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Local talent that Coastal took advantage of and it's paid
off for them.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Mike, you have again Gamecockcentral dot Com on Twitter at
Mike Underscore UVA. And I also think too, right like,
there are schools in the state of South Carolina where
I think Clemson in South Carolina might look and think
to themselves, hey, we might can poach this player and
you can still get some guys from Coastal. It's not
like we haven't seen that being done, but it certainly

(54:56):
would appear to be a much more difficult task kind
of give in their profile right now.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, no question about it. And let's let's let's tell
the other obvious point out there it's a pretty it's
a pretty nice area, right. I mean, you're not too
far from the beach. You know, not to get too
crazy here, but I mean you know, in your college
kid and there's beaches, and you know you got some
some some pretty looking women. I mean, that's that's not
a hard pitch, you know, for a lot of those kids,

(55:23):
I'm sure. So I say that on top of the
nice weather. So I say that because when you have
resources like that that are already in place, and then
you have the structure like someone like Gary Gilmore was
able to build for so many years, he leaves the
program in a great spot. Because I think that was
something Swanny and I can't speak obviously about the message

(55:45):
boards for Clemson because I don't go through them the
same way that I do with South Carolina fans. That
was something that popped up. It's like you had a
coach that was there for so long and he left
the program in a great spot and they were able
to keep it going.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
And that was a question I think some.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Gamecock fans had, which it's not as simple always to
be able to answer it the way they think that
some fans want to look at it. How wasn't South
Carolina able to pass the torch the same way from
Tanner to Holbrook compared to what.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Coastal was able to do. I don't think it's as
simple as that always, but.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I think it's hard not to look at that and
say man Coastal because of that, because of one Gilmour
a lot, and obviously he had to go for some
health concerns and everything, but he left the program in
a great spot and they didn't have to necessarily rebuild.
I think that's something too that is very impressive and
just all you can do is really tip the cap.

(56:40):
Because I know Clempson played them twice this year, Coastal
beat them twice. South Carolina is probably saying thank god
we didn't have to play them, because they probably would
have done the same to them, especially with what they
were able to accomplish this year and what South Carolina
wasn't able to accomplish on the diamond this season.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Mike, let's turn our attention to football for a minute.
I know the game Cocks a pretty hot streak here
on the recruiting trail. Give us some of your thoughts
on some of the pickups for Shane Beemer and that
crew over the past week or so.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, I think the first thing and this one just
happened the other day. The Harris Twins, two guys that
from the state of North Carolina. That's been a place
that I don't want to say South Carolina has struggled at,
but they haven't hit on it the way that I
think Shane Beemer and certainly going back to the previous regime,
have wanted to hit on it. They've been able to

(57:31):
bring in some talented guys from North Carolina. And when
you look at what they were able to do with
this pick up with the Harris Twins, you have Andrew Harris,
who's listed as an edge. He'll play livebacker, is what
we're hearing. Aiden Harris though defensive tackle. He's one of
the top players in the country. He's number three for
his position. He's a top fifty five guy in the country.

(57:55):
Could be a guy that moves up to being a
five star when it's all said and done. You look
at that more than anything, it just speaks to how
South Carolina is not messing around when it comes to
being able to win these big boy battles. And that's
why they're up to number thirteen right now.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
When it comes to their.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Recruiting for the cost of twenty twenty six. Now, as
we all know, there's a long way to go, right,
Colempson's gonna pick up some big pickups. We're sure right,
SEC teams are gonna have everything's gonna get picked up. So,
but I think when you look at what South Carolina
has done over the last couple of years, Swanny I
mentioned this on game Cock Central the other day, since

(58:33):
twenty twenty two. Since twenty twenty two, South Carolina has
now landed thirty one thirty one prospects just in the
month of June. So it's really been a big month
for them from a recruiting standpoint.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Why is that the case?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I think we're seeing a change, obviously, and it's not
just South Carolina. We're seeing a change in college sports,
certainly with football, where you want guys to commit earlier publicly,
you have a better idea with your structure when it
comes to Okay, who do we have to attack when
it comes to the transfer portal instead of waiting into
the months of December and February. So it might take

(59:10):
away that, uh, the excitement that we once knew when
it comes to signing day. But South Carolina they've done
a phenomenal job. And it's not just picking up Okay,
a couple three stars here, and they're picking up some major,
major commitments, you know, and these two guys being four stars,
and like I said, when it's all said and done,
Aiden Harris might be a five star.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
All right, Mike, Now you get to Now you get
to do some explaining to the Tiger listeners and maybe
even some of the game Cocks that saw this tweet
that came out from the ON three recruiting network. And
I know you guys at Gamecock Central were tagged in it,
the one with four star quarterback Land and Duckworth and
head coach Shane Beemer hitting the shador. Uh, there's a

(59:50):
lot going on here. First, I know, I'm I'm older
than you, so maybe I'm just a little bit off
of the scene. But Shanor Sanders didn't play at Carolina,
his brother did. Give me what's the connection? What are
the thoughts on this? It's a look from the outside
looking in, it's a little strange that this would be

(01:00:11):
something that Shane Beemer and Land and Duckworth will be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I mean look, at the end of the day, when
you're in high school, there's gonna be certain players that
you look up to, right, So obviously when you hear
the name Shador Sanders, you think of what just took
place in the NFL Draft. But at the same time, too,
there's a lot of players I'm sure that look up
to him in the sense of what he was able
to accomplish on the field. You know, he did a
lot of good things at Colorado, So you know, look,

(01:00:39):
there's there's all these little things.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I mean, we can go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Back to Swanee. I don't know necessarily for you, you go
back to your high school or college days. I mean,
for me as a college football player, there were certain
things that were going on, like Johnny Manziel. I mean,
I remember a lot of my teammates would do the
money sign, right, and that's Division two. So I say
that because there might not be any direct connection. Yes,

(01:01:02):
Shiloh Sanders went to South Carolina way back when. But
I think what it comes down to, and I haven't
talked to Shane about it, I think, you know, it's
just a college, high school kid excited, you know, more
than anything, and you know, Okay, hey, look, that's what
he does. I'm gonna hold that up. And you know,
Shane Beemer's no dummy. He's gonna go with the trends.
He's probably just like, all right, that's what you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Want to do, we'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So I'm sure Shane Beemer was holding up a nice
watch at that too. You know he's got the money
to be holding up a nice watter. There's probably a
nice rolex. I didn't look closely enough, but I'm sure
he was holding up something nice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, it doesn't look like it was anything cheap. My eva,
my man, I knew, well, I knew when I started
with Landed Duckworth. You knew where I was going, Buddy.
Always appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I appreciate Swanny.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
There you go, Mike, you'va Gamecockcentral dot Com. And again,
like I do not if if Shador's saying there's has
gone to South Carolina and regardless of where he's drafted
Shane Beaman and then want to hold up the watches,
that makes sense. But I'm gonna lean in kind of
like Mike, I'm gonna think the kid suggested it, and

(01:02:08):
what's the coach gonna do? No, I'm not gonna do that,
of course, not coaches like I'm all in. We'll do whatever,
We'll do whatever we can. All right, quick break, we'll
come back with more here. On a Tuesday afternoon, Clemson
Sports saw the show that Shakes to south Land. So
Michael Dean Barry and Larry Penley, congratulations to both of
those individuals for being inducted into Clemson's Ring of Honor.

(01:02:30):
That news coming out yesterday. As I mentioned in our
number one, I saw some people on our post saying, well,
what's you know, what's the difference in the Ring of
Honor and the Hall of Fame? Obviously said Hall of
famer Tim Murray coming up on Thursday here on the show. Well,

(01:02:52):
the difference is that the Ring of Honor is a
higher honor. The end of duals that are in the
Ring of Honor, as I am aware, are also in
the Hall of Fame. But Hall of famers are not
necessarily in the Ring of Honor. It's a step forward.
Now we can make the argument right, and I'd be

(01:03:15):
happy to hear it that you could say, well, then
we don't really need a Hall of fame, Like, what's
the purpose of the Hall of Fame if so many
people get in, but that's kind of the purpose, right
to be able to look at a player that contributed
greatly to your program or a coach that contributed greatly
to your program, and say, hey, you're a Hall of Famer.
Great job that next step up, that next upper echelon.

(01:03:40):
You guys are Ring of Honor. And again, I think
it's important because it does allow you to honor more
people with a Hall of Fame, and it allows you
to have an exclusive club with a Ring of Honor.
And as I noted at the game of the show,

(01:04:02):
in football, ring of Honor members are in the stadium.
And I thought about baseball, right, because Bill Wilhelm's number
is out there and maybe Rusty Atkins and both of
those guys are in the Clemson Ring of Honor, But

(01:04:23):
Seth Beer and Khalil Green they are not. Those are
just I guess retired numbers in baseball. So I really
don't know where Ring of Honor inductees in other sports

(01:04:47):
where where they are recognized. It's the way football is recognized.
I honestly have I have no idea. It all began
in nineteen ninety four with the original class of three,
including Banks, McFadden, Frank Howard, and Steve Fuller. All of those,

(01:05:08):
of course, were inducted into Death Valley and that's where
the Ring of Honor really began. Jeff Davison football the
following year in nineteen ninety five. Then the first non
football player, Rusty Atkins inducted into the Ring of Honor
in nineteen ninety seven, along with Fred Cohne bred Cone

(01:05:30):
football player in nineteen forty eight. In nineteen fifty at Clemson.
In nineteen ninety nine, three individuals were added Jerry Butler
and football, and again all of these football players had
a moment in the stadium where their name and banner
and logo and year and all were unveiled. In nineteen

(01:05:52):
ninety nine, Dale Davis and Barbara Kennedy from women's basketball
were inducted. In two thousand and one, Terry Canard was
put into Death Valley's Ring of Honor three Tina Krebs
from women's track and field. In two thousand and five,
Bob Bradley got put into Death Valley in the Ring
of Honor. In six to nineteen eighty one national championship

(01:06:15):
team was put into the Ring of Honor. In O
nine Charles Warren and the nineteen eighty four men's soccer team.
In twenty eleven, Jonathan Byrd and Susan Hill from tennis,
bird of course, a golfer at Clemson. In twenty twelve
the nineteen eighty seven soccer team. Another national championship soccer

(01:06:39):
team was put in twenty thirteen, Danny Ford and Bill Wilhelm.
In twenty seventeen, Tree Rollins, Michael Green from men's track
and Kevin Johnson from men's golf. In twenty nineteen, Levon Kirkland,
Dela Errington from soccer, at twenty twenty three, Julie Coin

(01:07:02):
from women's tennis, and last year CJ. Spiller in football
and Kim Graham in women's track. So now you add
Michael Dean Perry, who will be honored in Death Valley
this fall. Perry was a first team All American and
the ACC Player of the Year. Is a senior, a

(01:07:25):
defensive tackle in nineteen eighty seven. With his induction, Perry
as the eleventh football player or coach in Clemson's Football
Ring of Honor. So to speak, we'll call it the
football Ring of Honor because those are the names that
are in and around Death Valley. It is the highest
award bestowed upon Clemson Athletics, and the recipients must have
an outstanding contribution to the heritage of Clemson Athletics, must

(01:07:47):
be a member of the Clemson Athletic Hall of Fame,
and be a graduate of a four year institution for consideration.
Perry helped Clemson to a pair of ACC championships in
a six eighty seven, one of just six defensive players
in the history of the ACC to earn overall ACC

(01:08:08):
Player of the Year Outland Trophy finalists, and of course
not that it had any impact on Clemson, but went
on to be the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year
in nineteen eighty nine. He was named six to six

(01:08:29):
Pro Bowls during his ten years in the league and
came back to Clemson and graduated in two thousand and five.
As for Larry Penley, Penley, of course, coach Clemson's golf
team to the two thousand and three National Championship and
concluded his career with more tournament victories than any coach
in ACC history. He joins three other former players. Three

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of his former players, Jonathan Bird, Kevin Johnson, and Charles
Warren in Clemson's Ring of Honor. Penley was also an
All ACC golfer for the Clemson program as a senior
in nineteen eighty one and graduated in nineteen eighty three
and took over after Bobby Robinson, who would go on

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to be Clemson's athletic director, left being the Clemson golf coach.
Penley was named the National Coach of the Year in
three and was selected as the ACC Coach of the
Year ten times in five different decades. He led Clemson
to eighty three tournament championships, and when the Tigers won
their national championship in Oklahoma State in three, Clemson became

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the first school to win its conference, regional and national
championship in the same year. So congratulations to those individuals,
Larry Penley and Michael Dean Perry. Keep it a lot
right here on Fox Sports Radio fourteen hundred for more
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about the College World Series earlier and Kendall Rogers from
on Baseball tweeted out the field by conference this was

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what I was talking about earlier. So the SEC has
two teams in in Arkansas and LSU, the ACC with
won the Big Twelve with one, the Sun Belt with one,
the Missouri Valley with one, the Big Ten with one,
and an independent in the tournament or in the final
field out in Omaha. And Murray State, who is making

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an appearance after beating Duke yesterday, plays in a stadium,
Reagan Field, that holds eight hundred people, and as I mentioned,
the Racers head coach Dan Skirka cuts the grass at
the stadium. I mean, it's an unbelievable story and you

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do have to feel good for these guys. The fact
that Murray State has made this run is improbable. I
mean outside of Jahn Morant, I'm not sure that many
people can name other individuals unless you went to school

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there who went to school at Murray State in Murray, Kentucky.
But the Racers have the attention of the nation with
this run. And much like horse racing, a lot of
people like the root for the underdog. They like the

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root for the long shot, so to speak, for all
you horse racing officionados out there, and that doesn't change
just because of college baseball. They are the most intriguing
story going in into the College World Series and certainly

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if they were to win it, it would be bigger
than when Coastal Carolina made it and won it all.
Now second on the list I think is Coastal, right,
and the opportunity that is just a few wins away
for the Chanticleers, and that would be an opportunity to

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win a second national title in ten years. And all
the Chanticleers have to do is win what five games? Right?
You win game one, win game two, then if you
win game three, you're in the championship and you just

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got to win two there. I mean, Coastal's five wins away,
and boy would it be an impressive run if they
do pull it off, and they got a great chance.
Quite frankly, they've got a great chance. Now, I don't
like anybody's chances that lose the opening game. The best
news for you, though, is in this College World Series

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formatt even if you do fall to the loser's bracket,
if you managed to battle back the three game series,
you know, everything is reset for that final tournament. So
it's a It is a double elimination tournament up until

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the championship series, and then it doesn't matter. One team
could be undefeated going into that championship series. The other
team could have a loss already, but everything resets for
the three games, and that that wasn't the way that was.
You know, if you want to talk about, like some
criticisms of the College World Series, back in the day,

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it was not like that you would get to that
championship series. If my memory serves me correctly. In Gamecock
fans you might remember better than I Tiger fans. Some
of you Tiger fans might too, But I mean, let's
be honest. South Carolina's had a little more seasoning when
it comes to the end of the College World Series,

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and I think it may have changed actually one of
the years that Carolina was in it, but I think
back in the day when you got to that final round,
it was a winner's like the winner's bracket versus the
loser's bracket. I could be totally wrong on that, and
if I am, I apologize, but I feel like there

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were years where if one team won one game, it
was over and the other team had to win two.
Like I do feel like that was a thing at
some point at the College World Series. You know what,
let me, let me throw at the old Google machine here.
I got a second. So back in two thousand and five,
it was an eighteen field. There were two double elimination brackets.

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That's the same. It was a single game championship before
two thousand and three. In two thousand and three is
when it changed to the best of three, So it's
been basically the same since O three. So it was

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just a single game championship back then. Okay, that that
might be what I remember. Super Regionals were introduced in
nineteen ninety nine, so yeah, I mean it hadn't changed.
I guess it hadn't changed as much as I thought.
Before nineteen eighty eight, it was a forty eighteen field
and there were no super regionals, so it must have

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been six teams, eight sixteen tournaments. I guess something like that,
six times eight forty eight, right, so it must have
been excuse me, eight sixteen fields. Maybe that makes more
sense something like that. I really don't remember. That's before

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I would have been eleven, so I don't really recall.
What I do recall, though, is when Apple was innovative.
Did any of you watch the Worldwide Developer Conference yesterday?
What a major letdown. I'll tell you why. I'm disappointed
might be the better word. Right after this?

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
What have you done for me lately? It's a fair question,
just don't lose sight of the bigger picture, don't forget history.
Lucky for us at Clemson, the answers to the questions
what have you done for me lately? And what have
you done? Always are the same. We win.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Final segment on a Tuesday afternoon Clemson Sports Talk. So
I'm an early adopter of like technology. I had the
original iPhone, still have it. Actually we're in the closet.
You'd be shocked at how small that thing is. It
still works, charge it up, it still works. But when

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Apple announces new features, I always get it like day one,
Like I'm in the developer program and I am not
afraid to run the new software on my device just
to check it out. And it's always a little glitchy,
Like there's some things that are glitchy, no doubt. But
it gets better and they put out new updates pretty consistently.

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But I have to admit, the newest thing that they
are kind of promoting is the liquid glass kind of
look to it or whatever. I mean, that was it
they talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
It's the biggest update blah blah blah since iOS seven,
And I gotta say I'm a little I'm a little disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Now still early and maybe there'll be some changes. But
outside of really being able to maneuver the clock a
little bit differently make your clock face different. You've been
able to change numbers, but now you can really stretch
them out and make them look cool based off of
your photo. And that's the other thing I know. It
is customized by the photo, which is nice. Other than that,

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I gotta say the innovation at Apple, it's it's lacking.
I think they may have hit the wall here. I
mean the little updates that they've given us the past
few years. Like one of the things that kind of
bothers me a little bit is even with I like
to run with large icons no names underneath the apps,

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there's enough room for another row of icons, Like I
can fit four more icons on my page, but I'm
not allowed to. And I'm not saying that would be
some grand innovation. But how about the wasted real estate?
You know you will talk about, you know, making things
feel a little bit better on the screen by rounding

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the edges and making it more balanced. Well, how about
the empty real estate? Allowing us to feel that things
I do like? And apparently they have this on Android.
But if you call and get put on hold. You
can put your phone down. It recognizes that you're on hold,
and then it will wait for you, and when the

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person picks up your phone will say hey, Lawton, they'll
be right here, and then it'll ring you and you
can just pick it up. You don't have to listen
to being on hold music while you wait. That's cool.
And some people, you know, like my wife, and I
told her that. She was like, yeah, but I don't
really care about it. I'm like, but in my brain,
I think, well, if I'm at work or doing work,
if I can put it on hold and then not

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have to worry about it and then it rings me
back like a phone call coming in, that's good. Speaking
of phone calls coming in the call screener, where now
instead of your phone ringing for spam, it's gonna answer hello,
who is this and then the spam person has to
tell them, and then it'll let you verify. It'll say, hey,

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it's Greg with your Amazon order or whatever. I'm at
your door, and you can accept the call in that moment.
So pre screening calls some other features that I like
for sure, but the big impact of liquid glass or
whatever they called it, like that was gonna be the

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thing that set the phone apart from the world. Yeah,
I'm I'm not so sure it's gonna do that. They
did add a cool feature with music where instead of fading,
it actually sinks when it can matches the beat of
the other song, so you kind of get it pretty
solid transition. There have been some apps out there that
will do that. This is the first time that's been

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embedded into the iPhone. But yeah, I adopted early. I
went ahead and pushed in on the new operating system
for Apple, sure did. And as I say, I mean,
I think there's some stuff to like. I think I
think it's fair to believe that they're the innovation has

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slid quite a bit. I do feel that way, But
I mean, there, there's there, there's some positives. It's not
it's not all I'm not here to, you know, give
a thumbs down across the board, but innovation at Apple

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and and those guys are handsomely paid, which is even
more of the reason I think that you probably we've
probably crossed into an era where the device is just
kind of at its at its peak. I think if
they're not going to make a folding phone or a

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bigger phone. Then, yeah, we're we're sort of at our
limits with the iPhone. I hate it. I hate it
because I think there's a lot that could be done.
But oh well, we'll see what happens next year. But
I've already updated to the new iOS twenty six. Don't panic.

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They didn't skip nineteen. They're just going to a year.
They're going to twenty six, twenty seven, etc. So it'll
be based off of the year. All right, we gotta
get out of here. Thanks to Mike you for being
a part of the program. Don't forget facts and Children's
gonna join us tomorrow. Until then, as always, y'all take
care now and go Tigers.