6/4/25 - The Mo Egger Show w/ James Rapien

James Rapien of publisher of Bengals On SI discusses the Bengals offseason. Joe Goodberry joins the show and hear James's conversation with Myles Murphy. Plus James talks Terry Francona and Reds as well.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Let's help Welcoming to a special Wednesday edition of The
Moeger Show here on UESPA fifteen thirty wives and special. Well,
MOA's out now, man, I'm James Rapine.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome in.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Let me to get to plenty to discuss. We're going
to hit on well, a bunch of Bengals topics today.
I'll talk one on one with former first round pick
Miles Murphy. Joe Goodberry coming up later this hour as well,
and one or two thoughts on Terry Francona and your
Cincinnati Reds. But this show is going to be a

(00:35):
lot about the Bengals. This show is going to include
your input. This show is going to have a lot
of football talk over the next three hours. So hopefully
you're prepared for that. Hopefully you're excited for it. And uh,
just over twenty four hours ago, I was at pay
Court Stadium for Bengals practice and just thinking about the team,
thinking about this offseason, and I was actually having a

(00:58):
conversation with Joe Reid, who's back covering the Bengals for
the Associated Press. Shout out to Joe for being back,
and we were talking and it's funny because I'm pretty
down on the Bengals from an offseason standpoint, what they've
done or what they haven't done, and what they've done is,
and we'll review it throughout this segment here is they've

(01:20):
kept some of their really good players, but what they
haven't done overshadows that to a large degree for me.
And yet when I am hopefully you guys have checked
this out, but if you haven't, Cincinnati Bengals talk on
YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. When I played
the schedule game where I predict wins and losses for

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each and every team or each and every game on
the Bengals schedule, seventeen games, I still had the Bengals
winning twelve of them. And it's because of number nine.
It's because of number one, and it's because they have
number five. And I think that something potentially, and we'll
get to Trey Hendrickson at some point today. I'm sure
we'll work out with Trey Hendrickson. But I still don't

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think they've done a lot this offseason, or certainly not enough.
And I'm going to get your thoughts on this, at
least social media wise. Coming up in just a second,
because there's a poll up right now on X at
James Rapine and if you're just joining us, Happy Wednesday,
James Ropene and FROMO. We're gonna talk a ton of
Bengals today, and so I'm thinking about the off season

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on the practice field and what they've done, what they
haven't done, the coaching staff changes that they've made, the
personnel changes that honestly, there aren't that many. Rolling with
Lucas Patrick potentially at guard or Cody Ford at guard,
rolling with Dylan Fairchild is the favorite to start, even
though he's a third round rookie. Cordel Volson the backup

(02:49):
plan there if it doesn't work with Dylan, and it
just feels like they didn't do enough in the offensive line.
On defense, I like a lot of their young guys.
I just mentioned it. I'm going to talk with Miles
Murphy one on one coming up. Dax Hill is someone
that I've been bullish on since the moment they drafted
him thirty first overall in the twenty twenty two NFL draft.

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Cam Taylor Britt made an awesome one a diving interception
where he gets one foot down and then he's able
to get his elbow down yesterday. They have talent, but
they didn't make huge additions on defense. They're really banking
on a lot to go right on both sides of things,
and a lot can go right when you have Joe

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Burrow and Jamar Chason t Higgins and hopefully Trey Hendrickson
at the same time. Given where my expectations were for
this team six months ago, essentially going into the offseason,
and then five months ago when the offseason actually hit
to where they are now, I think this offseason has

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been a disappointment for the Cincinnati Benks. I look at
this offseason and I thought that this was a chance
for them to not only keep Jamar pace t Higgins,
Cray Hendrickson, but also add a real high end, proven
veterans starting guard. You move on from Alex Kappa before
a free agency why so you can do just that,

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Except it didn't happen. And then it's like, Okay, well
that's fine. They can get it in the draft and
Tate Rattledge is one of these guys, and then they
pass on the plug and play guard, which in NFL circles.
And I've had a lot of conversations behind the scenes
about this, how other NFL teams, how other NFL scouts.
How other NFL evaluators viewed Tate Rattledge and Dylan Fairchild

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may end up being better long term, but plug and play,
ready to go start day one. Tate Rattlige in round
two would have made more sense for a team that's
trying to contend and win now. And that's what I
think is interesting. If you look at the Bengals moves
in a vacuum, in each move individually, they most of
them make sense. Like bring in TJ. Slayton, awesome. It's

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a big, huge addition, both literally and figuratively to this
defensive line rope. Bringing back b Ja Hills fine. Obviously,
resigning Jamar and team makes sense. But you look at
the roster and you're like, Okay, well, weren't they supposed
to really go for it. They didn't make any additions

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in the secondary, didn't add a safety, which they could
have done in the draft. They looked to the draft
to build these voids, and then they prioritize linebacker over
protecting Joe. Even though in NFL circles, I'm not sure
there are many teams that would have had Tate Ratledge
below Demetrius Knight Junior, and so not only did they

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not do enough and free agency, in my mind because
of the draft, and I think in March they're like, ah,
well we kept Jamar, We're gonna be able to get
this right in the draft. But then they prioritize a
position that we certainly outside looking in and I speak.
I think for most fans, you wouldn't pick a linebacker

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over a guard if they are the same level prospect.
And that's it. And so that's what's interesting to me.
Throw in the Trey Hendrickson uncertainty and drama, throw in
the Shamar Stewart drama, and that's what it is at
this point, and contract uncertainty, and now we have all

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these things moving around. It just it feels like a
failure is probably strong when it comes to the Bengals,
a failed off season, because I don't think it's it's
really hard to fail an offseason when I think you're
gonna win ten plus games this year and I think
you're going to be one of the most exciting teams
in the league. At the same time, my expectations were

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high for this team going into the offseason. I thought
they could do a lot to improve their roster with
just moves that wouldn't be praised by NAT, that wouldn't
be leading Good Morning Football, but they would they would matter,
and they just didn't make many of those. Like Brandon
Sheriff would have been a huge move. Okay, fine he's

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not available, Fine, well can you go get a guard
that's proven, And they didn't. They just brought back a
lot of the same guys. And I think it's interesting
because what they're saying is is, hey, that the coaching
staff is going to get more out of these guys.
And maybe they're right. Maybe the coaching staff maximizes everything
they've that they've had, and in the past it's been

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the opposite. They've gotten the minimum out of Miles Murphy,
the minimum out of cam Taylor bridd the minimum out
of Dax Hill, the minimum out of Cordell Wolson, the
minimum out of draft picks that have talent. Maybe that's
the case, but maybe they just didn't do enough, and
that's how it feels. It feels like they didn't do enough.

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I'm going to talk about Peyton Manning at some point
during this show, and he was in town this week,
and when the standard is championship, not be competitive, not
win ten games, not we'll compete for an AFC North
title like the standard is a super Bowl. If the
Bengals make it to the AFC Championship Game this year

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but lose, everyone is gonna say, all right, well they
need to find a way to get over the hump
because it's gonna be three AFC Championship games in five years.
That will be the conversation. Even after back to back
to back nine to eight eight seasons, even after missing
the playoffs in two straight years. If they make a

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Super Bowl run, well then it's gonna give you like
all the grease period that you could ever imagine if
you're the Bengals. And that's why I thought they would
go not even all in, but more in, and it
doesn't feel like they did that this offseason. James are
pen Infomo five three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty is

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the number to dial. You can also tweet me at
James Orpine your thoughts and so my offseason grade for
the Bengals. I don't really know how you can go
higher at this point than a D plus and maybe
you want to go see as an average because you
kept the best receiver in the game and a top
receiver in t Higgins as well, Jamar and t together.

(09:19):
I get that, but all the drama with Trey, all
the drama with Shamar, you combine that with not doing
enough in my eyes in the offensive line room. In
my eyes from a defensive playmaker standpoint, you're really putting
a lot of pressure on the coaches. Maybe you can
get to a C. And that's where a lot of
you are. I put this pull up last night at

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James Orpene on X. Three point five percent of you
say A, which there's no way the Bengals get an A.
Seventeen point eight percent say B. And I think that's
really orange and black, not even tinted glasses. Like the
glasses are completely orange and black lenses. You can't see
out of them if you give them a B. But
fifty four point six percent say see twenty four point

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one percent say D r F. Why is that relevant?
And James are penin for Mote today here on ESPN
fifteen to thirty. Why is that relevant? Why is that important?
I think that's important because in a championship window, when
championship is the standard that the fan base, and I
mean we're talking about thousands of votes now by by

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this stage, let's do some quick math there. Fifty four
point six percent, twenty four point one percent, I'm talking
about seventy eight point seven percent of fans that voted
in this poll said the Bengals had an average or
below average or failed the off season in a championship

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or bust season. That's the standard that should always be
the standard during the Joe Burrow era. Certainly, now that
you have Jamar Chase and t Higgins, that standard stays there.
Boom smack, dab and so it doesn't feel great. It
doesn't feel great. And one thing that we know, and
we've seen it in twenty twenty one, in twenty twenty

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two at the conclusion of those seasons, how important is depth?
How important can one injury in the offensive line be?
At the end of the twenty twenty two season, the
Bengals had three new starters in the offensive line. Going
into arrowhead, depth is important, getting it right, not just
offensive lineman one through five, but six through eight, six

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through ten, really important. Same thing in the defensive line room,
same thing at wide receivers, same thing in the weapons,
same thing everywhere. You need as much depth as you
can have, and it doesn't feel like the Bengals have
added and tweaked their roster enough given where they were
last year, given their issues last year, even with all
the coaching changes, it feels like they haven't done enough.

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Does that sound familiar? Oh yeah, the Cincinnati Reds didn't
do enough this offseason. The whole world knew it, and
we've seen it. We've seen it play out over the
first sixty two games of the season. I'm James orpene
in for MO. Just getting warmed up up here on
ESPN fifteen thirty. Make sure you check me out on
X as well, and we're going to continue the Bengals

(12:07):
conversation next right here on ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Thirty, Cincinnati's ESPN.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Let's keep things rolling here on ESPN at fifteen thirty.
I'm James or In for MO and we've talked a
lot of Bengals today. Let's keep the Orange and Black
conversation moving with Joe Goodberry. You can check him out
from the first start of Logistics, a YouTube channel Bengals
on the Brain. Joe joins us. Now, Joe, it's been
a while since we've done one of these. On ESPN

(12:37):
fifteen thirty. I appreciate the time. How you doing.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I'm doing great. It's getting hot out there, so I'm
not doing as good as I could be. Give me,
give me seventy degrees and I'm doing perfect.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Seventy Okay, seventy is perfect for Joe. Would you have
said that like ten years ago when we first started
talking on ESPN fifteen thirty, Not at all.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was more than probably ten years ago. Right, it
feels like a fifteen years But you know, if it
has been, No, when I was younger, give me eighty
to eighty five. Now I don't need that stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's right. That's right. The age is certainly becoming a
factor for some players on the Bengals roster that may
or may not come up. I want to talk to
you about practice takeaways and what I saw yesterday and
what you saw. There's been there's a lot of good clips.
I thought it was from Tuesday session. But before we

(13:26):
get into all of that, let's get all of the
nonsense out of the way first. And I say nonsense
because I'm sure people in Cincinnati are tired of hearing
about it. But let's start with Shamar Stewart. In the
Shamar Stewart situation, what stands out to you as I'm
picturing Shamar Stewart's stand on the practice field, and literally
at one point on Tuesday, I was like, oh, I

(13:48):
got to get my Chamar Stewart video and it's just
him standing there as the defensive lineman go through drills.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
What is your take?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
How do you view this entire situation? And I know
it's complicated and complex, but I haven't talked to you
about it. What are your thoughts on Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, and that's weed I remember from that was Jay
Morrison's everyone's warming up. Shamar Stewart's in his spot and
isn't moving a muscle. The picture just shows him standing
like a mannequin, like he's, you know, almost played a
freeze and right. And it's hilarious at this point, but
it's it's serious because they need him number one, not
just because they drafted him with the first round pick,

(14:24):
because they need pass rush help, they need defensive lineup
because Trey Hendrickson's not there, and because he needs the reps.
That was the big thing coming out of college. Shamar
Stewart needs the reps. And people will say, well, the
four and a half secs you know they would have
been more if he played in a better scheme. Yeah,
that's the reason why he needs more reps than a
true NFL past rushing opportunity in past rushing defensive line,

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and he didn't get those at Texas A and M.
So you need to get him in there. And I'm
I'm I see people blame the team, blame the player, right, however,
you want to get through the day to feel better
about it. The situation is he needs to be out there.
So I don't know why he can't practice, but every
other rookie in the NFL can. That's his decision to make.
He's not forced to. He's not under contract, but it

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does look weird when you're the only one not doing
it around the NFL. And then for the Bengals side,
they're trying to set a new precedent. They're trying to
structure contracts differently. At some point, if you want to
do that, somebody's gonna be the first one you do
it with. And it's they. They're picking Shamar Stewart and fine,
that's where they want to, you know, dig their heels in.
Let's see how far each side digs and are we
going to get to actual training camp. Are we going

(15:28):
to get to preseason? That doesn't happen in today's NFL?
And yet right now, as you watch them stand out
there as an Aneican, as a Meneican, you know, as
everyone's warming up, you go, you know what, he might
just wait until until the Bengals budge and the Bengals
do not budge.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
And that's what's so intriguing to me is do they
blink because it's something that they're trying to get done,
but they know that precedent would say that that Schamar
doesn't deserve or doesn't have to have that clause in
his contract, considering he was the seventeenth pick and Mario
Smiths was the eighteenth pick last year and he didn't
have it in his contract. Or is it the other

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way where they're like, you know what, this is about
the long term future of the Cincinnati Bengals and not
just this year but the next decade, and so are
their heels completely dug in there? I think it's really interesting.
Here's what I don't want. You're talking about the heat
a few minutes ago. If the training camp sun is
beating down on me at the Kettering Health Practice fields,

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and Shamar Stewart is wearing a similar ball cap. I'm
not I'm not going to be pleased because I don't
want chamar watch. I did Jamar watch last year. The
last thing I want is a chamar watch that does
seem like it's it's semi likely at this point, and I.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Don't want to hear. Here's what I don't want last year.
I think of lest year's camp and how the injuries
kind of steamrolled one position right. One guy goes down,
whether it's Cam Sample, and then Miles Murphy, and then
the interior defensive line guys went down. I don't want
to say situation where now you don't have Trey Hendrickson,
you don't have Shamar Stewart in July, and you're giving
all these reps to everyone else and next thing you know,
you're starting to wear that group down and you're gonna

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need this group. You're gonna need the pass rush. And
it's not just Stuart needing the reps. Everyone here has
to play better than they did last year, and currently
you're gonna wear them out or put too much load
on them, especially once preseason starts. I hope it doesn't
get that far.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
You mentioned preseason. I think it's it's kind of interesting
the narrative of play your starters in the preseason. That's
why they start slow. You got to play in the preseason.
And I do get it. I understand the logic. And
Zach Taylor is going to do that. By the way,
I think he's tweaked a lot of things. Are trying
to tweak little little things, and there's a plethora of

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them to get off to a better start. What do
you want to see from them preseason wise? What's the
ideal amount. They don't have a joint practice this year.
Last year they had two joint practices. I thought, there's
are really really valuable reps. Where are you at on
the start fast preseason reps conversation? Because there's obviously risk
when you put number nine out there or Jamar Chase

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or any of these guys out there in meaningless preseason football.
And I know it's not meaningless, but it is when
it comes to wins and losses.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah, I obviously you got to get out to a
better start, right And people make a big deal out
of them starting two and two pretty much.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Or one and three.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
The Chiefs do that a lot of times. It's not
uncommon for teams, the best teams to get better as
the season goes. Now, I don't want to wave, you know,
and just wave my hand at it and say, oh,
it doesn't matter. It matters because we want to get
into the playoffs. You're goin have one game out last
two years, or you want to get that number one seed.
You got to win those games in September. But if
you go look at them at a case by case basis,

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you had an injured Joe Burrow pretty much every single time,
whether it was hurting his reps in camp or completely
keeping them out of preseason. You don't have that this year.
And I have knocking on as I'm saying that, good God,
we cannot have this again. But if he's healthy this
this September, if you are through into September, he should
play better than he has throughout the previous three years.

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Everyone wants to point at Zach Taylor and everything he's
doing as the head coach, and it's all I get it.
He's the head coach. It's gonna fall on him. But
Burrow has not been good the first two weeks of
September since he's been here, and that has to change,
he has to get out faster, and maybe that is
just health right, Maybe those work together. Zach Taylor's team's
gonna look better if Burrow looks better, and if Burrow

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looks better, the team's gonna win more games. So like,
is that all it is? But I do think from
the clips already we're seeing, it's like it looks like
they're high volume, fast reps that it looks more streamlined.
I don't know if you've noticed this. You're because you're there, James,
but just off the clips I'm getting I watched the
two plays in a row where Jamar's in the backfield.
He just runs into the flats and stands there. Everyone

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else runs the routes, and then he quickly runs to
his spot for the next play. The all snapped again
and he runs his play, and I'm like, Oh, they're
working on efficiency in practice. They're getting as you know,
you have the allotted time, you can practice, get as
many reps as you can in that time, and hopefully
you're better when the real games kick off. I wonder
if you noticed the same thing.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
It's funny you brought that up. I talked about it
earlier on the show. Is how Fast Practice filed on
Tuesday and for those just joining us, James R. Penan
from Oh This is ESPN fifteen thirty were joined by
Joe Goodberry. Make sure you check out Bengals on the
Brain on YouTube. I think the speed element of it
I noticed multiple times, and it's not like they were

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doing anything unique that I hadn't seen before, but I
was like, man, this is just it feels a bit faster,
and faster maybe the wrong word. I think you might
have nailed it efficient. And I do think Zach has
made some tweaks. That's probably one of them, and good
because they're they're only going to get so many reps
in the preseason anyway, and if you are hoping to

(21:02):
hit that fast start, well think about all the reps
that you got in those joint practices last year, and
so you want these reps to be effective, you want
them to matter. But I did notice that, and it's
interesting that you notice, just for from some clips, because
I do think that that's a factor. And they were
just going through a couple of drills, just throwing drills

(21:23):
with the quarterbacks and some of the skill players early
in practice. I'm like, man, they're moving pretty quick here,
and I think that theme has kind of taken over
a bed, and who knows, maybe that translates the ones.
I will say this though, and I agree with you
when it comes to the slow starts. To me, it's

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been every it's been all about health. And so my
my concern now is the one thing you haven't tried
is the preseason. Now, you overexpose your guys in the
preseason and then you get burned. I just I hope
that doesn't happen. I hope we're sitting here on September fifth, like,
all right, well, healthy Bengals team, let's roll out the
ball and see what they do against the Browns.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
And it's because it's the Browns, right, and they've had
this situation before where we thought Burrow was going to
be healthy. We're like, all right, here we go, and
then you get the he couldn't get that mind soon
in Cleveland and he couldn't hold onto the ball. Looked
like they couldn't throw it. They couldn't get off man
coverage all around, and you know they can't have that again.
They need to be firing from day one. I think

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there's a lot of risk here for them to change
things that have led to them to be a healthy
and functioning team in December, in January under Zach Taylor
that if you mess around too much, you don't want
to peak in October. You don't want to peak in November,
even you want to peak in December, January, and then
hopefully that first week of February as well.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
We're joined by Joe Goodbarry make sure you check out
his show Bengals on the Brain on the first Star
Logistics YouTube channel.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
James R.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Pininfromo here on ESPN fifteen thirty. All right, we got
the schamar in the one contract. Let's get to the
other one here, Trey Hendrickson. I interviewed Miles Murphy one
on one at his locker on Tuesday. And when you're
doing that, you're taking up space somewhere. And I was
kind of in the locker next to Miles, and the

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defensive lineman moved from one side of the locker to
the locker room to the other. You don't have Sam
Hubbard there anymore, so I'm still getting the lay of
the land. And I look up and I'm like, man,
hopefully I'm not in someone's way here, And it's Trey
Hendrickson's locker. Obviously Tray isn't with the team. I was like, ah,
I don't need to worry about that. Tray isn't with
the team right now. So it was nice from an
interview standpoint, I didn't have to think about it. But

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from a team standpoint, Tray isn't with the team. We
talk about fast starts. We look back to what Jamar
said last week about the contract stuff and it impacting
him especially early in the season. What do you make
just full one thousand foot view of this Trey Hendrickson
situation and how's it going to work out.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I ultimately think something will get done. It seems like
it's going to be on the Bengals terms. Only Again,
You're wear in a situation where we know the Bengals, right,
they don't budget, they value a player at what they
value him at. They are not gonna deviate from their
contract structure typically, you know, for almost every player unless
you are Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, right, and we

(24:14):
always expected that to happen. But everyone else, you're gonna
conform to what they like and where they value you.
And I think that's what's gonna happen with Trey and
does Trade deserve more money. Of course he does. Has
Trey been a bit of a pain in the butt
behind the scenes the last few years trying to get
a new deal? Of course he has, and at the
end of the day, they need him, and I think
his best chance of making more money in twenty twenty

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five is to take an extension. So at the end
of the day, I think it's gonna come. He's gonna
hold out, and they're gonna still offer their one year,
twenty eight million dollar deal. I'm speculating here with you know,
maybe some expertise knowledge of situation going on, but you know,
I think he's gonna turn around and say that's more
money than I would make if I just sat here
and played out this one year. I will take this

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and hope to once again get a new deal in
twenty twenty six if I play really well. I think
at some point he's risking the rest of his career
because at thirty and he's going to be thirty one
in December, you only have this probably is your last payday,
but you only have two three more high end production
years as a pass rusher. It really starts to fall

(25:18):
off at that point, and you've got to be aware
of it. I think the Bengals are, and I think
they're a little scared of it, maybe overly scared. I
think Trey has done nothing but get better. I think
he should age very gracefully. We're talking about an elite
athlete that has a variety of moves and has showed
no sign of slowing down. Yet. He has had little
nagging injuries that he's played through and always played throughhim.
Whether it's like back and knee hyper extensions and ankles

(25:40):
and all these different things, he always finds a way
to suit up next week. I don't think any of
those are anything that is chipping away. It is as
athleticism as he gets older, so I wouldn't have the
concerns that he's going to fall off a cliff. And Plus,
we look at these contracts of these edge rushers that
have resigned this year. They look big on paper, they're
really not. Every team can get out of them after
two years, if not. Even the Max Crosby deal is

(26:03):
pretty much completely fake, like they can get out of
that anytime they want. The Bengals should meet Trandrickson halfway.
I hope that's the way it ends up when we
get here in August and they finally get a deal done.
I do think there is a small chance that if
the Bengals don't offer more, Trey is serious about sitting
out games or serious about not suiting up, and people

(26:24):
can say, how give you throw away that much money?
At some point it has to be worth the risk
of playing. And this is for anyone who does their
job right. I don't care. If your job is a
construction worker and if they cut your salary in half,
you're like, they're not worth it. Work in a chemical plant, right,
and they cut your salary in half. I'm not saying
the Bengals are doing this. I'm just saying if they
did it hypothetically, you might say, not worth it to

(26:46):
breathing these chemicals anymore. I'm not going to do this
job where you're going to lose half the salur I
don't care. I'll go find a different job. I'll do
something else with my life. He has made a ton
of money in his life. He can retire and never
have to worry about it. So at some point everyone
has to value what they're worth and what risk to
their body and their life is so I think I
do think there is a chance Tray is serious about that.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, I do too. I think he's serious about possibly
missing time. And that's why we saw him earlier in
the offseason program. I'm not sure we'll see him again
unless a deal gets done. Let me run the deal
by you that I would. I would make James erpen INFROMO.
We're joined by Joe Goodberry. Two year extension, seventy six
million dollars. And let me explain this, because I know

(27:28):
you get it. You'll probably read it right away. But
I think people hear that, like, what how much almost
forty million per year? Well, no, you bump up that
sixteen million dollar base salary to twenty eighth this year,
and then over the next two years it's a two year,
sixty four million dollar deal thirty two million per year,
and if he stinks and falls off the cliff, which
he probably won't, then you get out of it before

(27:50):
that final year, that twenty twenty seven. I think that
makes a ton of sense. He's not Michaeh. Parson's territory,
what Michael wants and what Miles Garrett got and Danil
Hunter even because he gets a little more security there,
but the Bengals aren't not giving him close to what
he wants. You know, he's in the thirty million plus

(28:12):
range and can feel good about it and feel love
like I think that's the happy medium, And I just
wonder not that he would love the idea of that.
He might be listening right now. I doubt it, But
if he was, I think Trey Hendrickson will be like, yeah,
that's not enough. I think it would be. I think
he would say yes, And I think the Bengals should
be willing to make an offer like that.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Especially if you attached a nice signing bonus. Right, So
not only is your salary going to increase this year, Trey, hey,
you get a nice big bonus up front, we can
pretty much give you your sixteen million that year old upfront.
Maybe it goes up all the way to twenty or
no sign on that line. You're twenty million. You'll make
another eight million throughout the rest of the year. I
don't know why he would it. And if I were
the Bengals, you could guarantee that first year, right, you

(28:52):
can guarantee a year and a half of that. I
don't see why you couldn't get to forty million guaranteed
out of that ninety million basically is what you're offering
years ninety million that would turn into. Right, So yeah,
I think that's fair and I think that would be
a good compromise between the two and plus. Like I
said earlier, that last year and all of these deals
all across the league is not real. If you want

(29:13):
to get out of it, you can get out of
it with minimal dead money. We just watched the Bengals
do that this offseason, right, Alex Kappa and others. And
you want to release a guy with one year left
on his deal, feel free?

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah? Yeah, I think that's that's where I land on Trey.
We'll see if it gets done. Which one gets done first,
Trey or Shamar Schamar does?

Speaker 4 (29:32):
I think eventually, you know, we just haven't seen this
with Rookie Cohn with since the CBA was a twenty
eleven when the Rookie Wade Scale came out. Yeah, that
was an interesting year because that was that CBA didn't
cons struck until you know, after free agency and you know,
until the summer. Then we had to have that late
free agency. Interesting John that Joseph year, was it? Anyway?
Going off on a tangent.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
I think we will get it done sooner rather than later.
And I would expect if you were to put money
on the two, i'd put it on Shamar.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah. I hope you're right, because that's the one I
better like. I would understand try not being there. Jamar
needs the reps. I think he can be a good player,
but he certainly needs those reps. One thing that I
wanted to hit on and we talked about kind of
the speed of practice, but just practice takeaways from Tuesday
and Joe Goodbarry is our guest here James R. Pen

(30:20):
In FROMO on ESPN fifteen thirty. Real quick, would you
think of Cam Taylor BRIT's catch along the sideline or
Joe Burrow answering back very next played deep ball to
Jamar Chase, Hey, they're six. It was. It was a
fun stretch in a nice back and forth between the two.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
I'll start with that first play, the Cam Taylor brit interception.
You'll see that highlighted all through most social media, so
I'm sure you've caught it if you're listening to this.
But the interesting part to me is that ball's thrown
behind you know right. I think Burrow would definitely be like,
ah man, you know any quarter.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yelled yeah, so he yelled as the ball was in
the air, damn it or something like that, like he
and he threw it. He's like, nah, what did I do?
Just threw it behind? And I think late, I think
he was much high.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
I also think Kaseki took an extra step because Cam
was actually pulling him by his hip a little bit
as he was stemming vertically and then as he stepped.
And so I wonder if there's just that's a little
thing you're working on here. It's still early, it's still
technically spring, You're still working on these things and making
sure timing's down completely. Well. The one thing to note though,
with Cam Taylor britt and I've noticed this a couple
times in clips from last weekend this week, he's been

(31:27):
in the slot a little bit. So why is he
even on Kaseki? Right, you see Gaseki come in motion,
Cam's following him, Okay, so what's the formation there? Hopefully
I'm gonna check every reporter's angle to see if we
can see what happened before the play, But for him
to even be in motion with Mike Gaseki is strange
Joe and man coverage, which is now golden staple rite
something we've got to be aware of. And then for
him to be in the slot or even in the
box covering a tight end there, that's interesting And it's

(31:49):
not the first time. There was a clip last week
where Cam Taylor brit runs into Jamar Chase, but that
was also from the slot because they had a speed
motion with t Higgins that lined up right behind him
up with the safety is Gino Stone on t Higgins.
So Cam getting in slid a little bit playing more
man coverage. That could be really good for him. He
was a physical player coming out of Nebraska, you know.
That is some people thought maybe a safety, well a

(32:11):
mix between the two would be a slot corner. And
then the very next play DJ Turner and Jamar Chase
and Burrow strikes back. So yeah, that's what you want,
that's how you want to answer. And that's a fun
to have two plays back to back like that where
you can get a full picture of what the offense
is doing.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's it is fun
watching Joe Burrow throw footballs. I'll say that it's it's
one of those things. It's like, yeah, Jo can sling
it a little bit, obviously. Speaking of Joe, Joe Goodberry
as our guest, make sure you check out if you're
a Bengals fan, Bengals on the Brain on the first
Star Logistics YouTube channel.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
Joe.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
This has been a first time in quite some time
we've been on the air waves here on the SPN
fifteen thirty. I appreciate the time. Thank you for having
me man good stuff from Joe Goodbarry follow him on
X as well at Joe Goodberry. I'm James Erpine and
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at fifteen thirty, I'm James orpen Infurmo with you till
six o'clock. Really good stuff from Joe Goodberry. He joined
us a last segment and there's a lot of stuff

(34:03):
there to siphon through, to look through, to comb through.
But one thing that I think is really interesting, and
take it from someone that whether it's on Bengals Talk
dot Com, Cincinnati Bengals Talk on YouTube, the Lockdown Bengals podcast,
I've talked about Shamar Stewart every day, it seems like
since he got drafted, talked about Trey Hendrickson about fifty

(34:25):
thousand times this offseason. And what I think is interesting
the discourse about both guys in their situations and their
contracts is the absolutes that people speak in. And I'm
guilty of it too to a degree, I am. But
when you don't know all of the details, like we

(34:47):
don't know all of the details about what Shamar Stewart
wants doesn't want even with the reports that are out
there and what he's looking for versus what the Bengals
are saying. And we have a pretty good idea now,
but it's not completely one hundred percent solidified with Trey Hendrickson.
And this one's even more interesting to me because people are.

Speaker 8 (35:10):
Like, oh, well, yeah, he the Bengals offered in twenty eight,
either take it or leave it, or other people are like,
twenty eight's too little, or others say, oh well, twenty
eight's perfect, or he's thirty one.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Make him play it out, Well, he's thirty. It's it's
it's it's so interesting to see how people speak in
absolutes around Trey, around Schamar to a lesser degree, and
I just think that we don't know sometimes It's okay, now,
obviously I mentioned it. I talk about both of these

(35:43):
guys all the time. It's been huge topics, huge news,
and so you talk about, you give your opinion and
you state what you do know. What we do know
is the Bengals did make Trey an offer. What I'm
confident in saying is that didn't have signific significant guarantees

(36:03):
or longevity, and so was it just a one year,
did they get to two Did that two year offer
get to thirty million per If not, then it's a
pretty unseious offer. And that's what I think is interesting
here is there are so many people that have like
dug In and there's probably a middle ground, just like

(36:23):
with Samar Stewart. If I'm Schromar, I wouldn't want some
clause in my contract that Amrius Mims didn't have. It's
pretty simple. If it's one of those things that people
on the outside looking in can't really put it in perspective.

(36:45):
But do you think I won't I'll take myself completely
out of it. But do you think that Moe who's
been doing this show for nearly two decades now, Man,
it were getting close to two decades now, you think
Moe is gonna want something in his cond tracked that
Lance doesn't get in his or vice versa. Like they're

(37:06):
both super established in this community on Sports Talk on
seven hundred Wow and ESPN fifteen thirty. Of course they're
not going to like if it's like this big clause
that the Bengals are trying to set the president Like,
That's what I'm saying is well, of course you wouldn't,
so don't blame Schamar. At the same time, the Bengals
are trying to set this precedent not just for Schamar,

(37:27):
but for every draft pick after him, so they can
have that in there to help protect themselves. That's where
it gets interesting. That's where it gets there's a little
nuance to it. I'm not sure anyone's really at fault
or to blame. And you see people ripping Shamar, like
I hated this pick from the jump, and then you
see others ripping the Bengals cheap, poor, crappy Bengals, and
in reality it's like, yeah, the Bengals are really annoying

(37:48):
with how they do contracts. I agree, it's stupid. I
would if it were me, I'd probably have Trey Dunn
and Chamar wait till you're picking thirty second. I like
what Shamar's dad said last week on a podcast. He said,
you're trying to set a precedent for a guy that
was picked earlier than Amrius Mims, who's a great player,
but he didn't have that in his contract last year.

(38:09):
Set the president next year when you're picking thirty second
after the Bengals win the Super Bowl. I like that mindset.
The Bengals obviously don't view it that way because it
is a business, because they're viewing it and saying, hey,
we have to set this president now. But the thing
that I think is just really interesting is we've done
this each and every day and now people are speaking
in absolutes and no one knows everything. Because even when

(38:31):
you do get info, usually that info comes with an
agenda spoiler. If an agent's talking to you, if a
team representative is talking to you, a coach is talking
to you, if a player is talking to you, it
comes with somewhat of an agenda. So Shamar Stewart could
call in right now on the show and say a

(38:51):
bunch of stuff. Guess what. A lot of it would
probably be true, but it doesn't mean every part of
it would be true. That is the element that I
think a lot of people are missing when it comes
to this contract drama. Agenda's all over and we don't
know exactly how it's going to play out. I'm James

(39:12):
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it may end up being to Joe Burrows. That's next
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Talking about the Cincinnatis ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm James or
Team with you till six o'clock here on Cincinnati Sports Station.
We've talked Bengals. Maybe we'll get to our little Reds
this hour. Coming up this hour, by the way, Miles
Murphy one on one with a guy the Bengals are
banking on not just breaking out but being a huge

(40:42):
factor on defense this season. But before we get to that,
let's talk about something Bengals wise that I think is
really interesting and it's it's kind of a full circle.
Eight days or so. Last week, Moe and I along
with Mark Shalafu, we went to Indianapolis and we watched

(41:02):
Nick Pacers and it's uh, it was a lot of fun, awesome.
Trip Mode did the show from Indianapolis. Shout out to
iHeartMedia in Indy for giving him a studio and did
a couple but I did a fifteen minute interview with
him or something like that. I forget how long it was.

(41:22):
But afterward, we're walking out of that studio and out
of the station, going to the game in NBA mindset,
and I see a Indianapolis Colts twenty two thousand and
eight Super Bowl champion ball. Obviously, our good pal down
the hall, Rocky Boyman, was on that team, and I

(41:45):
turned him and I said, the Bengals kind of feel
like the Colts, don't they like totally think they could
get one. Wouldn't shock me one bit. The Bengals win
a Super Bowl in the Joe Burrow era. I kind
of expect that because of the standard that I have
in the regard I have for Joe Burrow and Jamar
Chase and some of the players on this roster at

(42:08):
the same time. And you look back at it and
I think some are going to say, are you serious?
They won a super Bowl? But you think about Peyton
Manning's time in Indianapolis, and you only win once. It sucks.
It's great that they won. I don't mean that, and
I don't mean he sucks, and I don't mean the
organization necessarily sucks. But you have this awesome quarterback that

(42:29):
is going to be so hard to get, like they're
probably never going to find another Peyton Manning, probably never
going to happen in the history of the franchise, and
if it does, it'll be fifty years from now. But
to only get one, it shows how hard it is
and it shows where the line is. And I think
that's the theme of today's show, the championship standard. It's

(42:51):
really really really really wait a second, really really really
really really hard to win, really really hard to win consistently.
But it's the hardest thing to do. Is when championships
year in and you're out, are consistently win championships. It's
extremely tough. That's why you got to go all in

(43:13):
and be all in each and every year, and add
maximize your talent and do everything you can to give
yourself a chance. When you have Peyton Manning, that's what
you have to do. And I'm sure looking back the
Colts say, oh, well, and this year we should have
done this, or that year we should have done that,

(43:34):
And there's going to be a lot of people that
are listening that say, oh, well, Peyton was dealing with
the Patriots in that dynasty. Fine, Brady didn't win after
four until twenty fourteen, so he was, but kind of wasn't.
The Colts probably left some meat on the bone there.

(43:54):
And if you're the Bengals, it feels like you're trending
in that same direction. It doesn't mean you're not going
to get one. And I think that's what they're kind
of banking on, and Peyton Manning believes it. By the way,
Jeffhopsonbengals dot Com talked with Peate Manning this week and
that's why I think it's full circle. I had that
conversation with mo last week. This week, Peyton Manning in

(44:15):
Town at pay Corpse Stadium for part of Peyton's places.
And what's really cool is Jeff Hobson was able to
talk with Peyton, and Manning said this quote, I know
he as in Joe Burrow. I know Joe fully expects
as I do as well, to bring a championship here
to Cincinnati. There are expectations that come with it, but

(44:38):
Joe is well aware of those and he can carry
the burden and once those expectations on his shoulders. He
went on to say, I fully expect them to be
in contention in the AFC every year. It's tough. The
division is extremely tough. Nobody's going to just lay down
and let you have it. You've got to go and
get it. I know he's capable of doing that, and
I look forward to watching him in his journey. It's interesting.

(45:02):
It's so interesting because I do think there are a
lot of parallels. And I I'm in India every single year,
and I've seen Indianapolis or been there and visited mo
and I went to the Final four. This is the
Moeni segment. Now in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, now maybe

(45:26):
it was twenty fifteen. Maybe I'm getting my but twenty
fifteen before that, I had been to multiple Pacers games.
Obviously I go every year now for the combine, Like
Indianapolis is awesome, and Peyton Manning is a huge reason
why the city is where the city is now. And
you see his statue outside of the of Lucas Oil
now and it's awesome. But he's he's more than a

(45:52):
generational quarterback like Peyton Manning is one of the best
ever ever ever. And some again are going to bring
up the dynasty. Well, the Bengals are gonna have to
deal with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, So it's that
Tom Brady and Belichick, and now it's Mahomes and Reid.
Like you're gonna have great coaches and great quarterbacks that

(46:13):
you have to deal with in your era. But if
Joe is who I think he is and who's going
to end up being, which is one of those all
time grades, one of those guys you're talking about, and
just over the past twenty years, you think about what Brady, Rogers, Manning, Breeze,
not necessarily in that order, by the way, but I'm

(46:34):
just naming the guys like Burrow is in that no
doubt about it. And if you get in that you
look up and you only get one, like I'm sure
Drew Brees in the Saints field that way, you look
up and you get one. Like deep down, it's like ah.

(46:55):
And by the way you got you took that from Manning.
They're man sure Manning thinks about that often. That's what's
kind of irks me about this offseason, and I led
the show with it. I'm gonna talk more about it
next hour. But the window is is very short in
windows for these things you think about Peyton Manning, his

(47:18):
contention window in Indianapolis was like a ten year window
from like two thousand to twenty ten, like true contention
and health was a factor there at the end. I
get it early on in his career, obviously, his career
started before two thousand. The Colts weren't really ready, and
it takes them a year and then they hit the
ground running and then boom, and then it takes them

(47:41):
a little while to get over the Patriots hump, and
then they do that, and then it takes them a
little while and then they finally get there. And so yeah,
it's one of those things. By the way, I missbook.
Obviously they won the Super Bowl six, not eight. But
the point is the point, and you have to have
to find a way to not just be sustainable. I've

(48:06):
heard the Bengals say this. It's like, well, we want
to win, you're in and you're out. And it's like, fine,
you want to win, you're in and you're out, but
you need to be contending, contending for super Bowls. Here
in and you're out because you may have the best team,
or the best roster, or the best quarterback, or the
best coach or the best wide receiver, quarterback combo. And
I'm not saying that the Bengals fall into that category,

(48:29):
but there are teams that have that and they still lose.
That have the most talent. The Eagles have the most
talent last year and they won. That doesn't always happen.
I don't think the Chiefs had the most talent two
years ago, but they still won. And the Bengals need
to find a way to get to the point where
they've given Joe, they've given Zach Taylor, they've given their

(48:54):
team the best chance, because even when you have that chance,
a lot of times you still come up short. Even
when you have the generational quarterback, even when you have
Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison and Dwight Freeney and all
of those dudes that they had, and they had dudes
in Indianapolis. I'm not acting like the Colts sold Peyton
Manning short. They had guys and the Bengals have guys.

(49:17):
This doesn't mean just trying to rip the front office
for the Bengals, but the difference between winning a Super
Bowl and not winning a Super Bowl it is razor thin.
And you could be a team that makes that one
extra mover, that that extra trader, that extra signing, and
that becomes the difference with the game on the line,
with home field advantage on the line, or the division

(49:38):
on the line, or a playoff berth on the line,
and then suddenly you're ten and seven not nine to eight.
You sneak into the playoffs, you get hot at the
right time, and boom, win a super Bowl. Ask the Giants,
Ask Eli Manning. Eli Manning's going to go to the
Hall of Fame. I don't really think he is a
Hall of Fame player, but he won two Super Bowls,
two Super Bowl MVPs. It's going to happen. So when
you do that and you winning those moments. Everything changes,

(50:02):
narrative changes. The Bengals are trying to get over that.
Help Maybe they do, and if they do it once,
I think everyone's gonna go crazy, as they should. But
in twenty years we may look back and say, many
had Joe burrown. You did it once, And I think
that's if you gave Colts fans truths here. That's probably
how they feel about Peyton Manning. You don't want to

(50:24):
feel that way about Joe Burrow. James R. Pen INFROMO.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Up next Miles Murphy, former
Bengals first round pick. Is it his time to shine?
Is he about to go off? In year three? I
will chat with him one on one.

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Speaker 1 (51:24):
Welcome back to Cincinnati's ESPN at fifteen thirty. I'm James
has been eighty permo and we've talked a lot of
angels today and one thing that the Bengals are certainly
banking on going into the twenty twenty five season as
some of the young guys, some of the guys that
haven't been mainstays but have been higher draft picks, and
whether it's Cam Taylor, Bread or DJ Turner or Dax Hill,

(51:48):
and the list goes on and on and on. Jordan
Battle a third round pick, He's going to start this year.
Miles Murphy may lead the list of guys that they
need to step up, play at a high level and
be part of the core in twenty twenty five and beyond.
The Bengal selected Miles Murphy with the twenty eighth pick

(52:08):
in the twenty twenty three NFL Draft. He's gotten some
playing time, but not a ton and certainly not consistent,
and part of that had to do with who was
in front of him. Sam Hubbard, obviously a legend in Cincinnati,
someone that had his the best year of his career
in twenty twenty two, when Murphy was literally right before

(52:30):
Murphy was drafted. They take Murphy and then Hubbard has
got nicked up and was dealing with injuries the past
couple of years and played through some things. Miles had
three sacks as a rookie, and then last year it didn't.
It didn't go from a sack production standpoint the way
he hoped. Had four quarterback hits, no sacks, twenty combined

(52:53):
tackles in each of his first two seasons. But it's
safe to say that the twenty three year old is hoping,
expecting to be a bigger part of this defense and
to contribute in a much bigger way. I caught up
with Miles Murphy on Tuesday in the Bengals locker room
and I asked him about the new coaching staff. I
asked him about his off season training, what he's doing,

(53:15):
and really his mindset going into this season. Here's my
one on one conversation with Bengals defensive end Miles Murphy. Miles,
we were just talking before we started about the new coaches,
the vibe of the offseason program. How would you describe
that right now, how the offseason program's going.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I mean, I'm enjoying about it still.

Speaker 9 (53:34):
Like I said, they're both like day one coaches bring
you back to day one working stance.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Start.

Speaker 9 (53:40):
Same with a coach Ale just working tackling circus almost
every day, so just working the basics. So we're on
the field and dead tire, we're still playing with technique.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
So that's that's what I like about him. They explained
a lot of things in detail.

Speaker 9 (53:53):
They don't just throw things at you just to make
you do what the coaches, so you understand from the.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
Front and all the way to the back end.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
So I'm enjoying from a different standpoint for for Al
Golden defensively, I know it's still early and you're figuring
out the scheme and everything, but how how different is
life going to be for you? Is it going to
be that different or or is it is it gonna
be pretty similar for you? Specifically?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (54:20):
I know without like he's he's a go get it
guy like his he wants his defense to just be right. Now,
it's a lot because it's everything's different, verbiage is different,
but that's that's the point of ota to get acclimated
to that. Once what two three months come around is
gonna be everyone's gonna be playing at a different speed.
I feel like because it's we're all gonna be a

(54:41):
lot of a lot of lots of communication. But I
feel like even now, we're all pretty much on the
same page when we're communicating, and once we get everything set,
we're playing fast. So I feel like it would just
be like flying, like flying bullets on defense.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Honestly, what did it mean to you that the organization
has the belief they have in you? Just looking at
the off season. Clearly you're a big part of their plans.
Clearly you're going to be in the mix to get
up an increase in playing time. What does that mean
to to see the actions side of it from a
personnel standpoint? Because it is a business, uh.

Speaker 9 (55:16):
I mean, like, it's always good to have play for
organization and a group of coaches that believe in you,
So that's that's always great, but it's most important to
just have that trust and belief in yourself and knowing
that you have, knowing that you have what it takes
to be in this league and not only be in
this league, but dominating this league. So you know it,
I guess those two coming together, it's a good feeling.

(55:39):
But most efly, right now, just keep my head down
working every day. The second second pin is second, one
day at a time. Right now, what's the next step
for you or steps for you? You just mentioned dominating in
this league? What is your your mindset going into year three?

Speaker 5 (55:53):
That exactly like no one.

Speaker 9 (55:54):
Just plans just playing with a little bit more swagger,
playing with a little bit with just more confidence. This
knowing knowing that I can do the things that I
that I can that I'm envisioning honestly, and just knowing that,
knowing that's not just gonna come overnight, comes to work.
I've been working since January, working on my body, working
on my game, watching film during the off season. So

(56:17):
I'm about to say, like, yeah, my whole model this
off season was just like what if it does work?
Because like even like little stuff watching film in the
off season, a lot of people will overlook that, but like,
you know, what if, what if that does? We're watching
film and like you know, just writing notes, sick of
notes on different old linemen and how they said and
different things. So you know, I'm just doing everything I

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can right now be the best player?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
What physically or fundamental fundamentally have you focused on improving
like one or two things when you started working January.
Obviously you want to be bigger, stronger, faster, all of
those things. But from a fundamental standpoint, what technique standpoint?
What have you focused on?

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Hands?

Speaker 9 (56:57):
Fundamental technique just mainly hands, precision with the hands, and
where my eyes are. I know that a lot of times,
like when I'm rushing, my eyes are just not on
the old lineman at all, or not on the old
lineman's hands. I'm looking at the destination and not necessarily
like the process.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
My eyes aren't on the whole linen at all.

Speaker 9 (57:19):
I'm just kind of just swapping hands when I feel
like I should swape him and hoping for the best
instead of being precise with my hands and getting hands.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
Off of me.

Speaker 9 (57:27):
So that's that's from a fundamental standpoint, that's what I
was most focused on.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
A big part of this offseason has been the addition
of Al Golden, but obviously you mentioned him, Jamo Jerry
Montgomery defensive line coach. What's it been like working with him?
He seems like a pretty direct guy. He has a
history of developing guys Rashaan Gary in the past.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
What's it been like working with it?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Now, it's been cool.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
Like but to say, like I said, they want teacher,
take you back to just core fundamentals when it comes
to just football teaching back, Phil says he like teaches,
So I guess every coach, every coach I've been with,
has been a great coach as far as as teaching
fundamentals and like day one stuff and like a good foundation.

(58:13):
He emphasizes, like understanding the whole defense, Like I never
really I never really paid attention to where the where
the free safety fits on a run block. I never
thought that really mattered. But actually no one where the
back end fits, where the linebackers fit at the corners,
fitting outside or inside of me like it. It does

(58:34):
help me play faster and knowing where I can shut
a blot faster.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
So honestly, he's a bust just good all around coach.
Good stuff there from Miles Murphy, I'm James R. Pen
and from O and I'm bullish on him. I think
that he's going to be able to contribute this season
at a much higher level. Maybe he starts, maybe he doesn't.
Maybe a Tamar Stewart or who starts, not Miles, But
I think regardless, Miles Murphy is someone that can do

(59:04):
much more than we've seen to this point. And he
has the right attitude, and he works really, really hard,
and he's so physically gifted. And I do think the
key part of that, if you go in the middle
of it. I asked him about his mentality, and his
mentality said to dominate, And the Bengals will love for
him to dominate, but they don't need him to dominate.

(59:24):
They just need him to be solid, to be a
solid key piece. And that's that's something that they really
haven't had opposite Trey Hendrickson for two years because Sam
Hubbard was so nicked up, because Murphy hadn't played a lot,
because of Josepho's Sigh's injuries, and because of all these

(59:45):
other reasons, And so can you be solid? Can the
really the quartet a defensive lineman on the opposite side
of Trey Hendrickson, whether it's Miles Murphy, Shamar Stewart, Joseph
Osai cam Sample, you can throw in Cedric Johnson in there.
Can those guys bolster the pass rush enough to give

(01:00:09):
the Bengals a legitimate thread on the opposite side of
Trey Hendrickson. That's the question. All the tray stuff and
the trade concern and those thoughts like, yeah, that's going
to be there, and I'm sure we'll cover it a
little bit more on the show at some point, But
regardless of that, that's what you need and we'll see
if that can happen. I think that's a big factor

(01:00:31):
when it comes to this, So we'll see how it
works out, how it plays out. But I do think
that you're going to see a lot of Miles Murphy
this year. Whether he starts or not, I don't really
think that matters. The Bengals are certainly banking on him.
He knows it, he's aware of it, and he knows
that he has to play well this year for the
Cincinnati Bengals and it's a big year for him. Year three.
You play well this year and now we're talking, oh, well,

(01:00:53):
should the Bengals sign him to an extension now and
get ahead of it and all those things, like it's
so funny how these things can change. Cam Taylor Britt
I was thinking about this. So Cam Taylor BRIT's going
into his fourth year and he came He's coming off
of a really roller coaster twenty twenty four season. But
if Cam has a big twenty twenty five, we're talking
about the Bengal signing him to an extension. Dax Hill

(01:01:16):
flashed at corner after having a couple of disappointing seasons
when he got significant playing time, but flashed at corner
and they were like, you know what, let's pick up
his fifth year option going into year four. And so
these things can change in a hurry. And if you
view Miles a certain way, or maybe it's a negative way, fine,

(01:01:40):
he goes out there and gets you five sacks the
first six weeks. If he's out there and he's making
plays against the run and holding up well, and heck,
let's just say playing like Sam Hubbard did in twenty
twenty one. He's twenty twenty one Sam Hubbard. That's a
heck of a football player. That's a football player you
want on your team for quite some time. And that's
a high bar. I'm not sure he's going to get
there this year. Maybe he does. If he does, the

(01:02:03):
Bengals are going to be in a really, really good spot,
assuming they get a deal done.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
With Trey.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
We'll continue the conversation. I've talked a lot of Bengals.
I've talked a lot of Bengals. It's time to talk
about the Reds at least a little bit. We'll do
that coming up in just a bit. But one more
Bengals topic ahead, and it's the receiver that no one's
talking about, that t Higgins is talking about, and that
you should be thinking about. We'll get to that coming

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FROMO Welcome back to Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty A lot
to get to this hour. We're gonna get to some
reds coming up in just a second, but before we
do that, we got to continue the Bengals conversation with
a guy that is going under the radar, that isn't
being discussed in that will absolutely, in my mind, make

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the Bengals wide receivers a big three this season. No,
I'm not talking about Jermain Burton. No, I'm not talking
about Mike Kasiki. That's not a shot at Mikeasiki or
Jermain Burton for that matter. But Andre Josabash. Andre Josabash
is a guy that has came in from day one,
worked his butt off from sixth round pick to four

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touchdowns as a rookie six touchdowns last season, and continues
to improve t with huge, huge praise of Andre Yosabagh.
This was in the Bengals locker room on Tuesday Tea
on Andre.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
Do you see seeing another step in Andre this year?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
Man?

Speaker 10 (01:04:10):
Hell yeah, you know, Yoshi, I don't he teaching me things?
And it's night and day from from this from last
year to this year, and y'all gonna see, y'all gonna
see this year, Yoshi's going really gonna come on this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
He's teaching you things.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:04:26):
I can always learn from the other receivers, you know
what I mean. I learned from Chase, I learned from Charlie,
I learned.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
From Jamain, I learned from everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
I just do anything to put you know, put in
my bag.

Speaker 11 (01:04:35):
So so if he's taking those kinds of strides knowing
that the Bengals have the best one two punch in
the league with you and Jamar, I mean, is this
three headed monster.

Speaker 10 (01:04:46):
He definitely could be. You know, that's what we're looking
forward to doing. And I got I got high expectations
for Yoshi this year.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
What's different?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Like, what what have you noticed improvement?

Speaker 11 (01:04:56):
Why?

Speaker 10 (01:04:56):
Specifically obviously y'all see him. He's not bigger than he
got stronger, a and got faster. He's twitch here and
he's just he know everything right now, and man, it's
just it's been great to see that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Entire video is posted on our YouTube channel, Cincinnati Bengals
Talk James Orpene in fro Moo. Yeah, like that's if
Andre can be that and consistently beat single coverage, and
that's the really the job for any number three wide
receiver in this offense. If he can consistently beat single coverage,

(01:05:32):
he's gonna have a monster season because teams are going
to try to double te Teams are certainly going to
double Jamar, and if one of those guys gets nicked up,
you need someone else. And at times it'll be Mike Gasicki.
At times it's certainly gonna be Andre Josabash, and I
expect him. Would not shock me if he caught fifty
passes this year, would not shock me if Andre Josabash

(01:05:53):
vaulted himself into that kind of conversation of you know,
fifty catches, six hundred yard cards, and Mike Kasiki might
be in that mix as well. I think that they're
going to have a nice, a nice quartet of playmakers
for Joe Burrow to catch passes or to catch passes
from Joe Burrow. You got Jamar, you got t Andre

(01:06:15):
who I again, you just heard Tea and what he
thinks of him. Mike Kasiki is a freak show from
a pass catching standpoint, and then who knows, maybe maybe
Jermaine Burton does come around and he can be that
deep threat that compliments all these other guys, But regardless,
all in on andre Josavash having the best year of
his career in year three. He just works his butt off.

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And when you see guys that do that, that work
their butt off in are elite athletes, and that's what
he is. They're just going to figure it out. He's
super smart. He's going to figure it out. He's continuing
to get better and better. Why wouldn't he continue to improve?
Totally get the hype that T. Higgins is in the
praise that T. Higgins is showering on andre josovajh. I

(01:06:58):
think he'll she has a big season up now. I
mentioned it. It's Red's time. Let's talk a little Cincinnati
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Welcome back to Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm James Ropin
in FROMO with Eachil six o'clock. Talked a lot of
Bengals that I talked a lot of Bengals. We heard
from Mine Murphy this hour. We're gonna talk with Joe
Goodbarry next hour.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
We got Brenda Miante.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Jones coming up. And that's why we should talk a
little bit about full disclosion. I covered Reds manager Terry
Francona up north Ford one full season and then COVID
happened and things got weird. But one full season and
a lot's been made about his interactions with reporters and
how he's getting and all those things. And the Reds

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they're thirty and thirty two, and I of a catch
yesterday by the way to end the game, and man,
oh man, my guy Greg Kufner has been all over
it for Cincinnati redstalk dot com. But man TJ. Friedel Oh,
I just love his game. And then the fact that
he's not just making plays at the play, but making

(01:08:48):
a play like that in the field to end. It
is just it's huge. But it's something that I talked
about last hour that I'm going to talk about again
coming up in the five o'clock hour with the Bang.
When I think about the Reds, my expectations coming into
this year were kind of meh. And the reason why

(01:09:10):
they were meh is because I didn't think they did
enough in the offseason. I think they had some obvious
holes that were obvious, and they were banking on young guys.
It sounds so familiar. They're banking on you young guys.
One guy in particular, Matt mcleain, coming off of an
injury and expecting him to be borderline All Star when

(01:09:31):
he had missed an entire year and was still unproven
and I hadn't played a full healthy season yet in
his career, and so there was a lot of ifs, Well,
if this guy does this and if this guy does that,
I don't I don't like operating in ifs. I thought
the Bengals, they came into this offseason thinking, oh, well,

(01:09:53):
we need to add a guard, we need to add
a couple of guards. I thought the Reds were the
same way with without Field last offseason. It made so
much sense or last season going into the offseason, it's
had a bat or two, like a real bat, a
real dude, and it just you're waiting and you're waiting,
and you're waiting, and they make a really nice Brady
Singer trade and that's great. I like it. I like

(01:10:16):
some of the moves they made. And you're waiting and
you're waiting, and you're waiting, and then more time passes
and you're waiting and you're waiting and you're waiting, and
now spring training is almost here and you're waiting and
you're waiting and you're waiting, and it just never comes together.
It just never does. And that, to me, I can't
stand it. I can't stand it. It really it's it's

(01:10:42):
the thing that is probably the most that bothers me
most about this Reds team so far this year, and
one thing that happened last week. Pulling up the quote here,
Ken Rosenthal, the Athletic said quote a Cincinnati Read's official
expressed concern for the start of the season, saying he
feared the team was short at least one run producing

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hitter and duh, duh. It's the most obvious thing ever,
like shocker, you're short and it's at least one. And
that's what I don't get. I don't understand it if
you're in the business and people are gonna say, well,
they're not in the business of winning, they're in the

(01:11:25):
business of making money. But guess what wins make money.
And that's what I don't really understand is if you're
in the money business or the winning business, any of
the businesses, there's no way you could have looked at
the Reds and said, oh man, they are set at
the plate. They're set at the plate, and that is

(01:11:47):
It's concerning because you go out and you get this
Hall of Fame manager, but he's not hitting for you,
and people are gonna question decisions and get into the
minute shot. And that's fine. I'm gonna let someone else
do that, can do that on this show, and Austin
and Tony can do that. That's fine. But it's like

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fifty thousand foot view, they didn't do enough. They didn't
and deep down, Terry Francona knows that, and I don't
understand it. I don't know why you would go get
him as manager and then half assed the rest of
your roster. And it doesn't mean they didn't get it

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right pitching wise and do certain things that made sense.
Like again, the Brady Singer trade was a great trade.
I love it. I think that that gave you some
extra depth that you need clearly in that starting rotation.
But that can't be your big move when you know

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you need hitting two. So you needed to get hitting.
The Reds still need to get hitting, whether they were
buyers or sellers. I think that's an interesting conversation. Would always, always,
always be on the aggressive side. No, you don't want
to be silly with it. But with that rotation, and
I know the bullpen's been up and down, but I

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think it's a pretty decent bullpen. You have a shot
if you get the hitting. And that was the problem
with this offseason. I never felt like they gave themselves
a real shot. I never did. There was never a
moment like this Bengals team. I'm just gonna keep comparing
them because I think they both are half assing the
off season. The Bengals they haven't added guards, but I

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think that they know that they have a quarterback that
can overcome that and that's a very dangerous game to play,
but it's true. But the Reds, I think they thought,
all right, we have the pitching staff, we have the manager,
we have enough young guys. We'll be able to catch
lightning in the bottom when we need to. And maybe
they will. But that's operating in a world of ifs.

(01:13:54):
If this guy comes up big, if this, if that.
You can only have so many ifs, because at least
half of those aren't gonna be good. They're gonna be negative.
And so I came into this season like they didn't
do enough, and we're seeing that play out, even after
Yesterday's really really exciting win, that they didn't do enough.

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Will they be able to overcome it? Maybe? But that's
where my mind goes long before I worry about a
managerial decision, long before I worry about the health of
this guy or oh man, what should they do with
Matt McLean? Should they send him to Triple A? Well,
maybe they shouldn't have had a ton of pressure on
him to be like their third best hitter or second
best guy at the plate, coming off of a year

(01:14:37):
where he literally didn't play baseball. Maybe they should have
had another guy or two that they could rely on,
but if ifs don't always work, James or Pena and FROMO.
We will get to some Bengals conversation coming up in
just a bit. But Brenneman and Jones on baseball is
next right here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Let's dive into some Bengals conversation because the Cincinnati Bengals
expectations are high. Let's be honest. Peyton Manning was in
town last year, Joe Burrow did quarterback and no one
knew about it. This year you got Peyton Manning come
to town with Peyton's places, and the Bengals are hoping
to get to the playoffs for the first time since
twenty twenty two, back to back nine and eight seasons.

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It's one of those things we're entering the offseason. I
was like, yeah, the Bengals need to tweak some things
and change some things. But if they pay their guys
Jamar Chase t Higgins, Trey Hendrickson, add some key pieces
at guard, maybe a defensive playmaker or two, it's really

(01:16:08):
easy to see their path back to not just the playoffs,
but the path back to contention. And what the Bengals
offseason plan has essentially been is, yeah, we only need
to tweak the coaching staff and keep some of those
guys you mentioned. We'll see on Trey, we're gonna let
it linger here. We have the leverage. We're okay with

(01:16:31):
our first rounder kind of hanging out but not practicing
as we have contract drama with him as well. And
the coaching has been the biggest issue and we changed
that so we should get better results. And they may
push back on that, but that's what their actions have
told us. They didn't sign a big playmaker on defense,

(01:16:52):
they went and got TJ. Slayton, quality nose tackle. Outside
of that, it's been bringing back a lot of the
same faces with a new coach, and whether it's a
new linebackers coach or new defensive line coach or new
defensive coordinator, that's what they've done. Gino Stone is back.

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It's not like they moved on there and added a safety.
They picked up Dax Hill's fifth year option. Cam Taylor
Britt is back. DJ Turner is back. They believe that
the coaches are going to make a huge impact, and
they very well could. I think there's reason to believe that.
I think that makes sense from a coaching standpoint. But

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this isn't a team that is rebuilding. This isn't eighteen.
We're not talking about the twenty nineteen or twenty twenty Bengals.
We're talking about a team that's supposed to be a
Super Bowl contender now, that's supposed to be able to
go to Arrowhead and beat Kansas City with the season
on the line, or go to Buffalo and handle business
this year by the way they're on the schedule, or heck,

(01:17:55):
go to Baltimore and went on a short week. That's
the standard we should be talking about this team. And
all right, well, are they going to get the one
seed or the two seed or the three seed. They
certainly are going to win the division. They're not gonna
let Baltimore be the first team. And since the AFC
North was founded to win the division three straight years.
There's no way that happens. And by the way, the

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Bengals may win the division, they may get the one seed,
but I don't know how you can confidently say that
looking at what they've done this offseason, because it's a
lot of familiar faces, it's a lot of the same talent,
and when you think about the twenty twenty four Bengals,
it was some all world performances that lifted up a

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team that was really brought down by the middle of
the roster. Bengals one through five have as good of
a one through five as any team in the league,
from quarterback to wide receiver, top talent. They're fit. Five
best players are as good as any five best players
in the league. But what hurt them last year is

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players six through fifty three weren't. There's a lot of
middle of the road guys that are probably your eighth
best player, your ninth best player, tenth best player on
a lot of teams are probably sixteen, seventeenth, eighteenth true contenders.
And I thought that was where the Bengals could really
add at a starting guard, add another pass rusher, add

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another playmaker, and by playmaker could be on defense. I'm
not saying skill player playmaker, and that didn't happen. And
so when I put out the pole James R. Penin
for Mode today, I put out the poll on X
last night. Thousands of votes now of Bengals chiming in,

(01:19:42):
Bengals fans chiming in giving the Bengals a C D
or F fifty four and a half percent, say C
D r F twenty four point six percent at this
stage of the pole, and of course it can adjust.
I left the poll open for six more days. I
don't know who gave almost four percent at a just
wild and seventeen percent. Sa'd be regardless. When the majority

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of your fans in a win now window think that
it was an average or below average offseason, and by
win now I mean super Bowl window, that's rough that,
that's not good that because that's not the standard the
standards hire. And that's what rubs me the wrong way.
That's what makes me go, hmm, don't know if I

(01:20:29):
like that. I don't know if I like that. And
we'll we'll see what happens. We'll see what they do.
I still think, and I'll get into it later this hour.
There are still guys that can help this team. And
when you're a super Bowl contender, like I think back
and it was really good for me to just see

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it firsthand and cover it. But you think about the
Super Bowl run, that team was so flawed or flowed
in a bunch of ways. And they were opportunistic on defense,
stout against the run when needed on defense. But it's
not like their secondary was amazing, but it was good.

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It's not like their defensive front was the best in
the league, but it was good. They had some playmakers
that made plays at opportune times. And on offense, their
offensive line couldn't block anyone and it didn't matter. And
so you don't have to be the most talented team
always to win. But your depth is going to get tested.

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And we saw that in twenty twenty two. They were
better in twenty two than twenty one and they didn't
even get to the Super Bowl. Why big part of
it was their offensive line depth was tested. And so
when I see them say, oh, well, Scott Peters is
going to help Dylan Fairchild a third round rookie, and
Cordell Vohlson and Cody Ford, and we brought in Lucas Patrick,
those guys are going to help fix the guard issue.

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I say really that it's gonna fix it. Like I
like all those guys's death pieces, like Cordell a lot,
like Lucas Patrick as a player, don't know him, like
Cody Ford a lot. I'm not sure any of those
guys should start. And by the way, the other guy
I didn't mention is a third round rookie from Georgia
that probably needs some work. Talk to some people in

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the league, They're like, yeah, probably not a plug and
play starter. Feels like the Bengals are treating him that way.
A third rounder. Fine, third rounder should start if you're
taking a guard I get that, but it may be
a year according to some evaluators, and the Bengals are saying, Nah,
he's gonna be ready. We're gonna get him ready to go.
And maybe Scott Peters does, maybe he hits the ground running,

(01:22:38):
but it's just a lot of ifs. I talked about
this last hour with the Reds and it was like, oh,
if Matt MacLean and if this guy and if that
guy with the Bengals, it's the same thing. It's like,
if the guard position comes together with this guy and
this guy and this guy, and if Al Golden can
piece together this defense and maximize it, and if this

(01:23:00):
guy can stay healthy, and if this young guy can
take a step, and if this veteran will be able
to bounce back, and if this, and if that, and
it's just so many ifs, and that's tough when you're
a contender. I mean, they have more ifs than anyone.
It's it's wild because they're going to be good. I
believe the Bengals are going to be good this year.

(01:23:20):
And it's because Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins and
probably Trey Hendrickson are all on the team. And there
are other guys that matter. Obviously, I like Orlando Brown
Junior and a Marius Mimms a lot, But that number
of ifs, I mean even there, it's like, if Orlando
can stay healthy, if a Marius Mims can take a step,
you go on defense. If Logan Wilson can not only

(01:23:43):
stay healthy but get back to his old form. If
Geno Stone can look like Genostone in Baltimore and not
Genostone last year. If these linebackers can pick up the
slack with Jermaine Pratt going to be released at any moment, if, IF, if, IF,
It's a lot of ifs, a lot of IF's for
a contender. And so when I think about, like grading

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the Bengals offseason and when super Bowls are the standard,
not winning ten games, not winning the division super bowls.
If the Bengals make it to the AFC Championship Game
and don't win the Super Bowl this year, guess what
we're going to be saying, All right, well, what do
they gotta do to get over the hump? It was
a fun season, disappointing season because they didn't get it done.
How do they get over the hump and get back
to the super Bowl? That will be the conversation. So

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that is the standard, And when I look at it,
I'm like, ahh, I don't think they've done enough. A
lot of ifs, and I don't like ifs, and I
think most of you agree. James are Pine Informo. This
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the time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
How you doing, I'm doing great, it's getting hot out there,
so I'm not doing as good as I could be.
Give me, give me seventy degrees, and I'm doing perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Seventy Okay, seventy is perfect for Joe. Would you have
said that like ten years ago when we first started
talking on ESPN fifteen thirty, Not at all.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
It was more than probably ten years ago. Right, it
feels like a fifteen years But you know, if it
has been, No, when I was younger, give me eighty
to eighty five. Now I don't need that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
That's right. That's right. The age is certainly becoming a
factor for some players on the Bengals roster that may
or may not come up. I want to talk to
you about practice takeaways and what I saw yesterday and
what you saw. There's been there's a lot of good
clips I thought was from Tuesday session. But before we

(01:26:49):
get into all of that, let's get all of the
nonsense out of the way first. And I say nonsense
because I'm sure people in Cincinnati are tired of hearing
about it. But let's start with from Mars in the
Shamar Stewart situation, what stands out to you as I'm
picturing Shamar Stewart's stand on the practice field and literally,
at one point on Tuesday, I was like, oh, I

(01:27:11):
got to get my Shamar Stewart video and it's just
him standing there as the defensive lineman go through drills.
What is your take? How do you view this entire situation?
And I know it's complicated and complex, but I haven't
talked to you about it, So what are your thoughts
on Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Yeah, and that's weed I remember from that was Jay
Morrison's everyone's warming up. Shamar Stewart's in his spot and
isn't moving a muscle. The picture just shows him standing
like a mannequin, like he's, you know, almost played freeze
and right. And it's hilarious at this point, but it's
it's serious because they need him number one, not just
because they drafted him with the first round pick, because

(01:27:48):
they need pass rush help, they need defensive lineup because
Trey Hendrickson's not there, and because he needs the reps.
That was the big thing coming out of college. Shamar
Stewart needs the reps. And people say, well, the four
and a half, they would have been more if he
played in a better scheme. Yeah, that's the reason why
he needs more reps than a true NFL pass rushing
opportunity in past rushing defensive line, and he didn't get

(01:28:10):
those at Texas A and M, so you need to
get them in there. And I'm i'm I see people
blame the team, blame the player, right, however, you want
to get through the day to feel better about it.
The situation is he needs to be out there. So
I don't know why he can't practice, but every other
rookie in the NFL can. That's his decision to make.
He's not forced to. He's not under contract, but it
does look weird when you're the only one not doing

(01:28:32):
it around the NFL. And then for the Bengals side,
they're trying to set a new precedent. They're trying to
structure contracts differently. At some point, if you want to
do that, somebody's going to be the first one you
do it with. And it's there. They're picking Schamar Stewart
and fine, that's where they want to, you know, dig
their heels in. Let's see how far each side digs
and are we going to get to actual training camp?
Are we going to get to preseason? That doesn't happen

(01:28:54):
in today's NFL. And yet right now, as you watch
them stand out there as an Anneican, as a Meneican,
you know, as everyone warming up, you go, you know what,
he might just wait until until the Bengals budge, and
the Bengals do not budge.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
And that's what's so intriguing to me is do they
blink because it's something that they're trying to get done,
but they know that President would say that that Chamar
doesn't deserve or doesn't have to have that clause in
his contract considering he was the seventeenth pick. Mario Smims
was the eighteenth pick last year and he didn't have
it in his contract. Or is it the other way

(01:29:27):
where they're like, you know what, this is about the
long term future of the Cincinnati Bengals and not just
this year but the next decade, and so are their
heels completely dug in there? I think it's really interesting.
Here's what I don't want. You're talking about the heat
a few minutes ago. If the training camp son is
beating down on me at the Kettering Health Practice fields

(01:29:49):
and Shamar Stewart is wearing a similar ball cap, I'm
not I'm not going to be pleased because I don't
want Chamar watch. I did Jamar watch last year. The
last thing I want is a Schamar watch that does
seem like it's it's semi likely at this point, and.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
I don't want to hear. Here's what I don't want
last year. I think of last year's camp and how
the injuries kind of steamrolled one position right. One guy
goes down, whether it's Cam Sample, and then Miles Murphy,
and then the interior defensive line guys went down. I
don't want a similar situation where now you don't have
Trey Hendrickson, you don't have Shamar Stewart in July, and
you're giving all these reps to everyone else and next
thing you know, you're starting to wear that group down

(01:30:32):
and you're gonna need this group. You're gonna need the
pass rush. And it's not just Stuart needing the reps.
Everyone here has to play better than they did last year,
and currently you're gonna wear them out or put too
much load on them, especially once preseason starts. I hope
it doesn't get that far.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
You mentioned preseason. I think it's it's kind of interesting
the narrative of play your starters in the preseason, that
that's why they start slow. You got to play in
the preseason, And I do get it. I understand the logic.
And Zach Taylor is going to do that. By the way,
I think he's tweaked a lot of things. Are trying
to tweak little little things, and there's a plethora of

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them to get off to a better start. What do
you want to see from them preseason wise? What's the
ideal amount. They don't have a joint practice this year.
Last year they had two joint practices. I thought those
are really really valuable reps. Where are you at on
the start fast preseason reps conversation? Because there's obviously risk
when you put number nine out there or Jamar Chase

(01:31:34):
or any of these guys out there in meaningless preseason football.
And I know it's not meaningless, but it is when
it comes to wins and losses.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
Yeah, obviously you got to get out to a better start,
right And people make a big deal out of them
starting two and two pretty much or one and three.
The Chiefs do that a lot of times. It's not
uncommon for teams, the best teams to get better as
the season goes now I don't want to wave or
you know, and just wave my hand out and say, oh,
it doesn't matter. It matters because we want to get
into the playoffs. You're going a one game out the

(01:32:04):
last two years, or you want to get that number
one seed. You gotta win those games in September. But
if you go look at him at a case by
case basis, you had an injured Joe Burrow pretty much
every single time, whether it was hurting his reps in
camp or completely keeping him out of preseason. You don't
have that this year. And I'm knocking on wood as
I'm saying that, good God, we cannot have this again.

(01:32:26):
But if he's healthy this this September, if you are
through into September, he should play better than he has
throughout the previous three years. Everyone wants to point at
Zach Taylor and everything he's doing as the head coach,
and it's all I get it. He's the head coach.
It's gonna fall on him. But Burrow has not been
good the first two weeks of September since he's been here,

(01:32:47):
and that has to change. He has to get out faster,
and maybe that is just health right, Maybe those work together,
Zach Taylor's team's gonna look better if Burrow looks better,
and if Burrow looks better, the team's gonna win more games.
So like, is that all it is? But I do
think from the clips already we're seeing, it's like it
looks like they're high volume fast reps that it looks

(01:33:08):
more streamlined. I don't know if you've noticed this. You're
because you're there, Jeans, but just off the clips I'm
getting I watched two plays in a row where Jamar's
in the backfield. He just runs into the flats and
stands there. Everyone else runs the routes, and then he
quickly runs to his spot for the next play. The
ball is snapped again and he runs his play, And
I'm like, Oh, they're working on efficiency in practice. They're
getting as you know, your day allotted time, you can practice,

(01:33:31):
get as many reps as you can in that time,
and hopefully you're better when the real games kick off.
I wonder if you notice the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
It's funny you brought that up. I talked about it
earlier on the show. Is how Fast Practice failed on
Tuesday And for those just joining us, James R. Penan
from oh This is ESPN fifteen thirty. We're joined by
Joe Goodbarry. Make sure you check out Bengals on the
Brain on YouTube. I think the speed element of it
I noticed multiple times, and it's not like they were

(01:34:01):
doing anything unique that I hadn't seen before, but I
was like, man, this just it feels a bit faster,
and faster maybe the wrong word. I think you might
have nailed it efficient. And I do think Zach has
made some tweaks. That's probably one of them. And good
because they're they're only going to get so many reps
in the preseason anyway, and if you are hoping to

(01:34:25):
hit that fast start, well, think about all the reps
that you got in those joint practices last year, and
so you want these reps to be effective, you want
them to matter. But I did notice that, and it's
interesting that you noticed just from some clips, because I
do think that that's a factor. And they were just
going through a couple of drills, just throwing drills with

(01:34:47):
the quarterbacks and some of the skill players early in practice.
I'm like, man, they're moving pretty quick here, and I
think that theme has kind of taken over a bed
and who knows, maybe that translates the wines. I will
say this though, and I agree with you when it
comes to the slow starts. To me, it's been every

(01:35:07):
it's been all about health. And so my concern now
is the one thing you haven't tried is the preseason. Now,
you overexpose your guys in the preseason and then you
get burned. I just I hope that doesn't happen. I
hope we're sitting here on September fifth, like, all right, well,
it's a healthy Bengals team. Let's roll out the ball
and see what they do against the Browns.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
And it's because it's the Browns, right, And they've had
the situation before where we thought Burrow was gonna be healthy.
We're like, all right, here we go, and then you
get the he couldn't get that Mond soon in Cleveland
and he couldn't hold onto the ball. Looked like they
couldn't throw it, they couldn't get off man coverage all around,
and you know they can't have that again. They need
to be firing from day one. I think there's a

(01:35:50):
lot of risk here for them to change things that
have led to them to be a healthy and functioning team.
In December, in January under Zach Taylor that if you
mess around too much, I want to peak in October.
You don't want to peak in November even you want
to peak in December, January, and then hopefully that first
week of February as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
We're joined by Joe Goodbarry make sure you check out
his show Bengals on the Brain on the first Star
Logistics YouTube channel.

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
James R.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Pen infromo here on ESPN fifteen thirty. All right, we
got the schamar in the one contract. Let's get to
the other one here. Trey Hendrickson, I interviewed Miles Murphy
one on one at his locker on Tuesday. And when
you're doing that, you're taking up space somewhere. And I
was kind of in the locker next to Miles, and

(01:36:36):
the defensive lineman moved from one side of the locker
to the locker room to the other. You don't have
Sam Hubbard there anymore, so I'm still getting the lay
of the land. And I look up and I'm like, man,
hopefully I'm not in someone's way here, and it's Trey
Hendrickson's locker. Obviously Tray isn't with the team. I was like, Ah,
I don't need to worry about that. Tray isn't with
the team right now. So it was nice from an
interview standpoint, I didn't have to think about it. But

(01:36:57):
from a team standpoint, Trey isn't with the team. We
talk about fast starts, We look back to what Jamar
said last week about the contract stuff and it impacting
him especially early in the season. What do you make
just full one thousand foot view of this Trey Hendrickson
situation and how's it going to work out?

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
I ultimately think something will get done. It seems like
it's going to be on the Bengals terms. Only you know, again,
you're wear in a situation where we know the Bengals, right,
they don't budge, They value a player at what they
value them at. They are not going to deviate from
their contract structure typically, you know, for almost every player
unless you are Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, right, and

(01:37:38):
we always expected that to happen. But everyone else, you're
going to conform to what they like and where they
value you. And I think that's what's gonna happen with Trey.
And does Trade deserve more money? Of course he does
has Trey been a bit of a pain in the
butt behind the scenes the last few years trying to
get a new deal. Of course he has, and at
the end of the day, they need him, and I
think his best chance of making more money in twenty

(01:37:58):
twenty five is to take an extension. So at the
end of the day, I think it's gonna come. He's
gonna hold out, and they're gonna still offer their one year,
twenty eight million dollar deal. I'm speculating here with you know,
maybe some expertise knowledge of situation going on, but you know,
I think he's gonna turn around and say that's more
money than I would make if I just sat here
and played out this one year. I will take this

(01:38:20):
and hope to once again get a new deal in
twenty twenty six if I played really well. I think
at some point he's risking the rest of his career
because at thirty and he's gonna be thirty one in December,
you only have this probably is your last payday, but
you only have two three more high end production years
as a pass rusher. It really starts to fall off

(01:38:42):
at that point, and you've got to be aware of it.
I think the Bengals are, and I think they're a
little scared of it, maybe overly scared. I think Trey's
done nothing but get better. I think he should age
very gracefully. We're talking about an elite athlete that has
a variety of moves and has showed no sign of
slowing down. Yet. He has had little nagging injuries that
he's played through and always played through them. Whether it's
like back and knee hyper extensions and ankles and all

(01:39:03):
these different things, he always finds a way to suit
up next week. I don't think any of those are
anything that is chipping away. It is as athleticism as
he gets older, so I wouldn't have the concerns that
he's going to fall off a cliff. And plus, we
look at these contracts of these Edg Rushers that have
resigned this year. They look big on paper, they're really not.
Every team can get out of them after two years,

(01:39:23):
if not. Even the Max Crosby deal is pretty much
completely fake, like they can get out of that anytime
they want. The Bengals should meet Treyandrickson halfway. I hope
that's the way it ends up. When we get here
in August and they finally get a deal done. I
do think there is a small chance that if the
Bengals don't offer more, Trey is serious about sitting out

(01:39:45):
games or serious about not suiting up, and people can say,
how can you throw away that much money? At some
point it has to be worth the risk of playing.
And this is for anyone who does their job right.
I don't care. If your job is a construction worker
and if they cut your salary in half, you're like,
they're not worth it. Work in a chemical plant, right,
and they cut your salary in half, and not saying
the Bengals are doing this, I'm just saying if they

(01:40:07):
did it hypothetically, you might say, not worth it to
breathe in these chemicals anymore. I'm not going to do
this job where you're going to lose half this our.
I don't care. I'll we'll find a different job. I'll
do something else with my life. He has made a
ton of money in his life. He can retire and
never have to worry about it. So at some point
everyone has to value what they're worth and what the
risk to their body and their life is. So I
do think there is a chance Tray is serious about that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Yeah, I do too. I think he's serious about possibly
missing time, and that's why we saw him earlier in
the off season program. I'm not sure we'll see him
again unless a deal gets done. Let me run the
deal by you that I would. I would make James R. PININFROMO.
We're joined by Joe Goodberry two year extension, seventy six
million dollars. And let me explain this because I know

(01:40:52):
you get it. You'll probably read it right away. But
I think people hear that, like, what how much almost
forty million per year? Well, no, you bump up that
sixteen millillion dollar base salary to twenty eighth this year,
and then over the next two years, it's a two year,
sixty four million dollar deal thirty two million per year,
and if he stinks and falls off the cliff, which
he probably won't, then you get out of it before

(01:41:14):
that final year, that twenty twenty seven. I think that
makes a ton of sense. He's not Michaeh Parson's territory,
what Michael wants and what Miles Garrett got and Daniel
Hunter even because he gets a little more security there,
but the Bengals aren't not giving him close to what
he wants. You know, he's in the thirty million plus

(01:41:35):
range and can feel good about it and feel love
like I think that's the happy medium, And I just
wonder not that he would love the idea of that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
He might be.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Listening right now. I doubt it, But if he was,
I think Trey Hendrickson will be like, yeah, that's not enough.
I think it would be. I think he would say yes.
And I think the Bengals should be willing to make
an offer like that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
Especially if you attached a nice signing bonus. Right, so
not only is your salary going to this year, Trey, hey,
you get a nice big bonus up front, we can
pretty much give you your sixteen million that year owed upfront.
Maybe if it goes up all the way to twenty
or you know, sign on that line. You're twenty million,
you'll make another eight million throughout the rest of the year.
I don't know why you wouldn't. And if I were
the Bengals, you could guarantee that first year, right, you

(01:42:16):
can guarantee a year and a half of that. I
don't see why you couldn't get to forty million guaranteed
out of that ninety million basically is what you're offering
three years ninety million that would turn into right. So yeah,
I think that's fair and I think that would be
a good compromise between the two and plus. Like I
said earlier, that last year and all of these deals
all across the league is not real. If you want

(01:42:36):
to get out of it, you can get out of
it with minimal dead money. We just watched the Bengals
do that this offseason, right, Alex Capo and others. You
want to release a guy with one year left on
his deal, feel free?

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
Yeah? Yeah, I think that's that's where I land on Trey.
We'll see if it gets done. Which one gets done first,
Trey or Shamar Schamayer does?

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
I think eventually, you know, we just haven't seen this
with rookie kin with since the CBA was a twenty
eleven when the Rookie Waite scale came out on eleven. Yeah,
that was an interesting year because that was that CBA
didn't get struck until you know, after free agency and
you know, until the summer. Then we had to have
that late free agency. Interesting John that Joseph Y here was
it anyway? Going off on a tangent uh I think

(01:43:16):
we will get it done sooner rather than later. And
I would expect if you were to put money on
the two, I'd put it on Shamar.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Yeah. I hope you're right, because that's the one I
better like. I would understand Tright not being there. Jamar
needs the reps. I think he can be a good player,
but he certainly needs those reps. One thing that I
wanted to hit on and we talked about kind of
the speed of practice, but just practice takeaways from Tuesday
and Joe Goodbarry is our guest here James R. Penan

(01:43:44):
FROMO on ESPN fifteen thirty. Real quick, would you think
of Cam Taylor Britz catch along the sideline or Joe
Burrow answering back very next played deep ball to Jamar Chase, Hey,
they're six.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
It was a fun stretch in a nice back and
forth between the two.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
Yeah, I'll start with that first play, the Can Taylor
Britt interception. You'll see that highlighted all through social media,
so I'm sure you've caught it if you're listening to this.
But the interesting part to me is that ball's thrown
behind you know, right. I think Burrow would definitely be like, ah, man,
you know any quarters.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Yelled Yeah, so he yelled as the ball was in
the air, damn it or or something like that. Like
he the moment he threw it, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Like, nah, what did I do?

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Just threw it behind? And I think late. I think
he was much high.

Speaker 4 (01:44:30):
I also think Kaseki took an extra step because Cam
was actually pulling on by his hip a little bit
as he was stemming vertically and then as he stepped.
And so I wonder if there's just that's a little
thing you're working on here. It's still early, it's still
technically spring. You're still working on these things and making
sure timing's down completely. Well. The one thing to note though,
with Cam Taylor Britt and I've noticed this a couple
of times and clips from last weekend. This week, he's

(01:44:50):
been in the slot a little bit. So why is
he even on Kiseki?

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
You see Gazki come in motion, Cam's following him. Okay,
so what's the formation there? Hopefully I'm gonna check every
reporter's angle to see if we can see what happened
before the play. But for him to even be in
motion with Mike a Seki is strange Joe and man coverage,
which is now golden staple, right, something we've got to
be aware of. And then tim for him to be
in the slot or even in the box covering a
tight end there. That's interesting and it's not the first time.

(01:45:14):
There was a clip last week where can Tillerbritt runs
into Jamar Chase, but that was also from the slot
because they had a speed motion with t Higgins that
lined up right behind him and ended up with the
safety is Gino Stone on t Higgins. So Cam getting
in the slot a little bit, playing more man coverage,
that could be really good for him. He was a
physical player coming out of Nebraska, you know. That is
some people thought maybe a safety, well a mix between

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the two would be a slot corner. And then the
very next play DJ Turner and Jamar Chase and Burrow
strikes back. So yeah, that's what you want, that's how
you want to answer. And that's fun to have two
plays back to back like that where you can get
a full picture of what the offense is doing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's it is fun
watching Joe Burrow throw footballs. I'll say that it's it's
one of those things. It's like, yeah, joke and sling
it a little bit, obviously. Speaking of Joe Joe Goodberry
as our guest, make sure you check out if you're
a Bengals fan, Bengals on the Brain on the first
our Logistics YouTube channel. Joe, this has been a first

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time in quite some time we've been on the air
we have here on the ESPN fifteen thirty. I appreciate
the time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
Thank you for having me.

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Man good stuff from Joe Goodbary. Follow him on X
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Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
Welcome back to Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm James or
been in for mo. We are almost done, Tar. I
didn't let you talk about its not gonna happen on
today's show, My man, not gonna happen. James are being
inframo with you till six o'clock. It's always fun filling
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him about this, but I wonder how he's feeling about
the Knicks and the firing Tom Thibodeau. I'm excited for
the finals. I really hope Indiana gives Okac all they
can handle, all they can handle. I hope they are
able to create that chaos and score a bunch and
make it really tough. It's just OKAC is they're rough man,

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really really really good team. There. There's your NBA minute
here on ESPN fifteen thirty, and it was less than
a minute, so hopefully you didn't bounce anywhere else. Look
a couple of things. I just the parallels between the
Reds and the Bengals had. Certainly I wasn't necessarily planning
to carry them out in this show, but all of

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the ifs that are surrounding them, I think is interesting.
I also think one thing from and listen back to
the podcast. I'll go into in depth on these, but
the questions in the outfield. Everyone had those questions for
the Reds and shocker, they don't have enough hitting. There's
plenty of questions with the Bengals, and I fear that

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in September and certainly October, we're going to look back
and say, remember in March when we were saying at
guard they should do more, or that they should add
another playmaker on defense, or that they should be aggressive
and add more proven guys in free agency. That's kind
of the the fear we'll see maybe not maybe all

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of these things pan out, but there's just a lot.
It feels like they're banking on so many things to
to go their way, and yeah, some of them aren't
going to go your way, but they need the majority
of them to go their way. We'll see if that
actually happens. I will say this, I think it really
is interesting to see Reds wise people reacting the way

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they are because I just maybe my expectations were different
for this team, but I just was not expecting them.
I thought that they had a chance to be a
playoff team and be in that mix, and they very
well still could still it's June, but I wasn't expecting
playoffs this year. I thought they could be like a

(01:49:40):
winning team. I think they could win seventy five eighty games,
like eighty two games, eighty four games, but I wasn't
penciling them in for a wild card spot or a
playoff spot or a division crown. And maybe I'm way
off on that, but they are kind of what I
thought they were now. I didn't think they'd struggled this
bad or be this inconsistent and I have to play it.
I think that's what's really interesting about them is they

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just go really really hot and then really really cold,
and it's just because you don't have enough talent. That's
what usually happens in life. If you have a really
up and down performance, well, there's got to be things
that you got to work on, and those things are
probably when it comes to hitting, it's probably talent. They
don't have enough of it. Reliability is a talent you
can be reliable. If you can be the same every

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single day and have a standard the same every single day.
It's really hard to hit three hundred, you know, It's
really really hard to do that. And so I think
can they My Reds question is can they be close
enough over the next month and maybe have a winning
record in the next month to where everyone is like, oh, well,

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go get go, get a bat, go get a guy,
go make a move. That's what I'm hoping to see.
That's what I'm really really hoping to see. I'm naturally
in those that are familiar with my work, whether it's Bengals,
whether it's Reds, whether it's historically, whether it's when I
used to work on at this station regularly with MO

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I'm aggressive. I am team aggressive, be aggressive, and so
I want the Reds to be in a position to
add at the deathlo I don't want to talk about selling.
I know it's already being talked about some and it's like, no,
put yourself in a position to add because they should
have added more this off season. Well, it's not this
off season anymore. So let's look forward. Put yourself in

(01:51:29):
a position to add. And that's what I want We'll
see if the Reds do that. But that's that's the mindset.
That's my mindset at least. And as far as the Bengals, well,
maybe they add maybe add a veteran right now. Hey,
arn you think it's going to happen right now?

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
OK, Well that's going to do it for us. I
was hoping that I would speak into existence a free
agent addition, but maybe next time. If you're looking for
more on the Bengals, I got you covered Bengals Talk
dot com. More on the Reads Cincinnati Redstalk dot com.
Also check me out on the Lockdown Bengals podcast and
Cincinnati Bengals Talk on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I'm James Orpene. It's always great filling in for mo.
I love being on these airwaves. Shout out to Tarn
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