June 6, 2025 • 15 mins
Chad talks Reds and Bengals with Richard Skinner from Local12 on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Browler right along Hour number one, The Mowagger Show since
Anny's ESPN fifteen thirty. Chad Brindle filling in from Oh,
let's go to our first guest of the afternoon, my
good friend Richard Skinner from Local twelve digital content editor
and producer, co host of the Skinny Podcast. If it's
(00:24):
named after you, are you the co host or are
you the host? And then Rick is the co host?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, he kind of runs the show, so I guess
I would be the co host.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
But it's named after you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It is that. That's a good point. I guess I
could have changed at some point.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You haven't changed it yet. I used to be on
that show. There was never any talk of changing the names.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That's a good point too. You're right. That was when
the three of us did it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
You're right, was the college basketball edition.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You had the Skinny Podcast with Rick and then we
did the college basketball audition. Look, I'm just gonna say, Skinny,
both teams were really good when the three of us
did that show, and since we stopped doing that show,
I'm not saying I'm just saying both teams.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, technically a really all three teams that we talked
about were really good back then Kentucky as well.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So yes, I mean maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We maybe that there's a common denominator and.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know, we can do it remote now.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
We don't have to go into Local twelve every Sunday
at ten o'clock at night to record a show.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm sure that's the way you are with the Bearcat
Joeral podcast too, right, Like it's so cool you could
open your laptop and go I mean, yeah, you don't
have to. You don't have to physically go anywhere to
record anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's so beautiful, like with stream Yard now, like everything
it looks professional, it looks good. You just pop on,
you know, five minutes before that was like a two
hour process, not telling an hour and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
We recorded the show.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Correct, they're driving in, getting set up, make sure it
sounds right, and yeah, no, much much different.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Reds Terry Francona. They're turning on Tito a little bit already.
We are sixty three games, and I think I don't
think he's been perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
But are we losing sight of once again the fact
that for twenty plus years, the main thing has been
the main thing, and we want to point fingers at
(02:21):
Terry Francona and Nick Krawl. It ain't Terry Francona and
Nick Krawl at the heart of the matter, Boys and.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Girls, I don't did you Did you do the red
line up? Beet on the show? Yeah we did, Okay,
my war Almighty. One of your corner infielders is Santiago Espinal. Huh.
We're gonna get a great weekend of Garrett Hampson playing
every day because Ellie's on the bereavement list.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, no he's not third orders.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's a good point, but he's out, he's not in.
So we got Connor, Joe, Matt McClain and Hampson at
the bottom third of this order and crossiostrain has just
come back. Why I'm I'm this is this? This has
got to be the time he starts to go I
I've been bullish on him and he has done anything.
I know. Injuries have robbed him. That lineup is horrifying.
I'll tell you what was it Wednesday to day game.
(03:07):
As you know, I may place a wager now and again,
but I was really busy Wednesday and I was driving
to go coach back couple coach on the basketball and
I heard the Reds line up that day. I'm like,
oh gosh, I got to see what the over under is.
I saw it was nine. I didn't get a chance.
I was gonna place it under bed. I was gonna
run to the window and then, uh, you know, obviously
Wade Miley helped the game go over, so I'm kind
of glad I didn't. But man, I'll e took us
(03:28):
to hear that lineup and go them on in the
roun today and they did. They get their one. Good
for them.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
This is but this has been a thing for a decade.
Like how many times over the past decade have the
has the lineup come out and we've gone, what how
did we get here?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No? No, that's a good point. That's and and here's
the thing. This is the sobering part to this is
it just feels like it's trending towards another reboot, right,
And I don't know how many fans because I can't
stomach that anymore. I don't know how many fans could
still that anymore. And listen, if that's the case, if
we're going to that, let's reboot everything. Let's reboot ownership,
(04:06):
Let's reboot the front office. I'm not trusting Nick Krawl
to do another reboot, are you.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I honestly, I don't think Nick Krawl is as bad
as some have painted the picture, because I think a
lot of things that he does are handcuffed by ownership.
But he hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination.
I think he's done okay given the constraints that he
is he is required to work with. Here's my concern, Skinny,
(04:33):
what in the world would they get for any of
these guys if they did another reboot, at least like
you know, the one in the early twenty tens. There
were guys that had proven a lot, the ones right
after COVID, there were guys that had proven a lot.
What in the world are they going to get out
of this bunch?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And the sobering part is you would have hoped Rhet
Lauder would have been in the mixed because of his
injury situation. At the moment, I'm guessing Chase Burns will
have eventually be in the mix at some point this summer.
So you do have some kits maybe in the in
the rotation. I mean, teams always looking at Bolster at
the deadline, I mean Nick Martinez could be a tradable piece.
Brady Singer could be a tradable piece. I don't know
what you get, but I think you get back way more.
(05:13):
For Nick Martinez. I think he actually be a valuable
piece to trade because you do have some young pitching there,
but yet to your point in the lineup, I mean, no,
there's there's there isn't one, you know. I had a
question on the podcast asked of me the other day
that Rick and I did about, you know, would you
consider at some point when would you consider trading Ellie?
And I'm I'm not there yet. I don't think anybody
(05:34):
should be there yet, But I mean, are we gonna
watch them waste whatever development he comes into superstardom because
it feels like it's closing in man, it feels like
he's getting a little bit more consistent. It doesn't feel
far away, not quite there yet. But are they really
gonna waste that? And if not, I mean, what hall
could you get back? I mean again, there's a lot
(05:54):
of questions to me. I will say this. So Matt
McLain in there every day the rest of the year.
Throw Cees in there every day of the year, you know,
see what you've got in those guys and you Steer, Yeah,
see what you got in those guys? And if they
produced great, Okay, those were going to be part of
Those were supposed to be parts of this process, right.
It was supposed to be major Matt McClain at the
top of the lineup cees in the middle of this lineup,
(06:16):
Spencer Steer maybe hitting the sixth hole with twenty five
home runner thirty home run power. That's what they were
banking on. And I don't blame them for that. I
mean when they all all were coming up and doing that,
it's like, Okay, this this looks like a good nucleus.
Well it's not at the moment, but I think you
need to use the rest of this year or whatever
it is to find out are they bonafide or are
they not bonified? And if they're not, okay, we need
to go fix this and fix this quickly.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Brings me to my other major concern the development of
position players in this franchise.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Right, that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I mean, Jay, Bruce, Brandon Phillips, like that crew is
the last time I really felt like there was an
you know, Todd Frazier an incredible level of development amongst
the position players right now, when other than just the
obvious of Elie who you know, it's it's officially today,
two years since he's been called up. I think he's
(07:06):
been really good. But other than that, and he's a
generational talent, what in the world have they developed?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Good question? I mean, I think you know, it's fair
to point the injuries out. My play miss obviously all
of last year because of the old league and Cees
has dealt with all kinds of injury issues. Steer started
this year with that shoulder issue and he's actually started
to hit him late and maybe that's because the shoulder
is getting healthier. So maybe again that's why I say,
let's let this whole thing play out. Hopefully it plays
out with that those guys healthying getting you know, bats
(07:37):
on a daily basis. Let's see what we got and
if not, then yes, we can certainly point to your point.
I mean, developing players I think has been a pract
fall this team for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Let's move to the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Ot as are mandatory, Voluntary OTAs are done. Mandatory OTAs
start on Monday. Will see Trey Hendrickson hanging around and
holding in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
If you will, that's a great question. I'm gonna say yes,
because he likes his money and I don't think he's
gonna want to get fined. I'm going to guess he
will have talked to Zach Taylor by then, and Zach
will probably do him a solid like he did Jamar
Chase last year. Remember, Jamar didn't do anything in the
in the in the voluntary portion. Did show up for
Minnie Camp, but but didn't really participate. But he was
(08:27):
on hand. He you know, was was there when they
were doing the installs. He was taking metal reps all
those things. You know. I'm guessing Zach did him a
salad there and said show up that way, you don't
get fined. Be a part of this, and he was.
And my guess is Trey will do the same thing.
The other interesting one to me is Jermaine Pratt is
still under He hasn't, Yeah, he hasn't been any of
(08:50):
any of the voluntary stuff because he demanded a trade.
He saw them draft a couple of linebackers and sign
Warren Burks and kind of saw the riding on the wall.
I'm sure. And yet you know, again, this is mandatory,
is he gonna be there next week and at what
level does he participate if he shows.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Up and then Shamar Stewart, they are counting on him
to be a big plead piece of this defense is
it as simple as the Bengals just need to get there.
They're changing the language in the rookie contract. Okay, that's fine,
But if you're gonna do that, this is a give
and take situation. Will the Bengals give a little to
get this thing across the finish line?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
They can't have this guy missing much more.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I'm with you, I mean, you you you, I mean
people can go well, it's just O TA, I get it.
It's fine, But I still stand by this alcohol comment
sticks with me from when we talk to him up
at the combine of of you know, talking about trying
to hit the ground running and canting. He talked about it.
He needed every O T A practice he could possibly
get to get guys up the full speed. And yes,
(09:51):
Shamar Stewart's there watching. Yes, all reports are he's an
attentive kid. He does all the right things in you know,
in the in the meeting rooms all that. But to
the other point, it is it's important for those guys
to take physical reps as well, and so you've missed
all this time of him taking physical reps. You know,
if he's not under contract, he's not gonna take part
next week either, I mean mandatorily, he'll be there again.
He's been at every OTA, just hasn't participated. And then
(10:14):
you know, do we have this stalemate until camp comes?
And then what happens when camp comes around. I don't
think his side's gonna budget on this because again they
don't want I don't plan in. The Bengals are trying
to make a precedent setting contract for whatever reason, I
don't know, but they're trying, and it's to this point
the other side has said, no, don't forget Demetrius Knight
(10:34):
is technically not signed yet either. Now he did sign
his waiver to be able to have some under contract,
but he's not under contract and so and they're trying
the same language with him too. So does he then
when camp rolls around, going no, I'm not doing this.
I'm not taking part in the physicality of this without
my contract sign So you got a couple of things,
and that's where it goes back to the Germaine Pride.
This is he liked the insurance policy that if somehow
(10:56):
Knight doesn't sign at at least he's still around at
I think they've done dirty, to be quite frank. I mean, listen,
think what you want about what your main did on
the field last year. He wasn't very good. He looked
a step slow, but he was voted to captain by teammates.
He's been a serviceable starter in this league. He's been
nothing but a pro. Coaches have praised him for his
smarts and his professionalism. And you're gonna do the guy
(11:17):
like this and not let him go find another team
when you really don't have him in the works other
than maybe to keep him as an insurance policy. That's bad.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
PFF article.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Fine, last thing for you, a PFF article stating or
opining that they have the Bengals as the eighteenth best
roster in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Hmm? Man. You've got some real stars though, but they
made that point.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
They were the stars are the brightest of the bright.
But they haven't drafted and developed anyone. And it feels
like three four years.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, Case Brown, I'll put it in that mix.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
But I mean, on a like it is a big
picture you're not talking about. There's a bunch of guys
that are coming into their like you know, they're all
pro level seasons or anything of that nature.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, I will say I think we would agree with this.
I haven't seen the article, but I would be willing
to guess at the defensive sidetracked that definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And they said at the end of the article, if
if al Golden can get this young defense playing, they
could jump as high as you know, eight but right
now they're eighteen.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I think it's fair.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah. I mean if you look at mean the two
starting safeties last year, there were one hundred and seventy
one graded safeties in the NFL, and Jordan Battle and
Genostone tied for one hundred and thirty six. So that's
gonna drag your grade down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You have the two worst guards in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Two worst guards in the NFL, and now you've got
Fairchild and Lucas Patrick repping. And again that's a rookie
who you really don't know anything about until really the
bullets start flying. And Lucas Patrick's been a serviceable pro,
but he really's never nailed down starting positions in his career.
And yet he right now is currently at least through
the loota. We saw last week he was the starting
right guard at least running with the first steam it
(13:00):
right guard last week.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I'm worried a little. I'm worried about everything in a
stupid town right now, Skinny. I don't feel good about anything.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I don't blame you, man, it's honestly, I do. I
feel like with the Reds, it feels like I just
woke up. I was like, is this twenty seventeen or
twenty ninth, Just twenty twenty two? No, wait a minute,
it's twenty twenty five. I mean Rick made the play
on a podcast of the other day. He's like, remember
talking about the Reds last year's time, you know what
their record was on the day we're doing this podcast,
three twenty nine and thirty three. They were twenty nine
and thirty three, So yeah, one game difference. Here they
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are thirty and thirty three at that time. Yeah. It's
just it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's uh, it feels like, at some point in time,
walk into my car, I'm going to run into Bill Murray.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
No exactly, Ned Ryer, no question. I mean, that's literally
what it feels like I mean, it feels like eons
ago when all that young group came up in twenty
twenty three, and there was legitimate reason to be excited
because they did things to make you excited. Now you're
like Connor, Joe's in the lineup and he's bat in
sixth or Seventhugh.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
What's Ampson's first name? I don't even Scott Scottie Hobson.
Is that the kid from university?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Exactly? I mean, good, gracious, graaty go look at that.
I mean, how that cats on this roster is beyond me.
I guess that that's the indictment of all indictments.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
There's hope that we could get called up any day, Skinny. Yeah, Keeady, Thanks,
brother Doug. You zon appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
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Browler right along Hour number one, The Mowagger Show since
Anny's ESPN fifteen thirty. Chad Brindle filling in from Oh,
let's go to our first guest of the afternoon, my
good friend Richard Skinner from Local twelve digital content editor
and producer, co host of the Skinny Podcast. If it's
(00:24):
named after you, are you the co host or are
you the host? And then Rick is the co host?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, he kind of runs the show, so I guess
I would be the co host.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
But it's named after you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It is that. That's a good point. I guess I
could have changed at some point.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You haven't changed it yet. I used to be on
that show. There was never any talk of changing the names.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That's a good point too. You're right. That was when
the three of us did it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
You're right, was the college basketball edition.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You had the Skinny Podcast with Rick and then we
did the college basketball audition. Look, I'm just gonna say, Skinny,
both teams were really good when the three of us
did that show, and since we stopped doing that show,
I'm not saying I'm just saying both teams.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, technically a really all three teams that we talked
about were really good back then Kentucky as well.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So yes, I mean maybe.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We maybe that there's a common denominator and.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
You know, we can do it remote now.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
We don't have to go into Local twelve every Sunday
at ten o'clock at night to record a show.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm sure that's the way you are with the Bearcat
Joeral podcast too, right, Like it's so cool you could
open your laptop and go I mean, yeah, you don't
have to. You don't have to physically go anywhere to
record anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It's so beautiful, like with stream Yard now, like everything
it looks professional, it looks good. You just pop on,
you know, five minutes before that was like a two
hour process, not telling an hour and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
We recorded the show.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Correct, they're driving in, getting set up, make sure it
sounds right, and yeah, no, much much different.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Reds Terry Francona. They're turning on Tito a little bit already.
We are sixty three games, and I think I don't
think he's been perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
But are we losing sight of once again the fact
that for twenty plus years, the main thing has been
the main thing, and we want to point fingers at
(02:21):
Terry Francona and Nick Krawl. It ain't Terry Francona and
Nick Krawl at the heart of the matter, Boys and.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Girls, I don't did you Did you do the red
line up? Beet on the show? Yeah we did, Okay,
my war Almighty. One of your corner infielders is Santiago Espinal. Huh.
We're gonna get a great weekend of Garrett Hampson playing
every day because Ellie's on the bereavement list.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Well, no he's not third orders.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's a good point, but he's out, he's not in.
So we got Connor, Joe, Matt McClain and Hampson at
the bottom third of this order and crossiostrain has just
come back. Why I'm I'm this is this? This has
got to be the time he starts to go I
I've been bullish on him and he has done anything.
I know. Injuries have robbed him. That lineup is horrifying.
I'll tell you what was it Wednesday to day game.
(03:07):
As you know, I may place a wager now and again,
but I was really busy Wednesday and I was driving
to go coach back couple coach on the basketball and
I heard the Reds line up that day. I'm like,
oh gosh, I got to see what the over under is.
I saw it was nine. I didn't get a chance.
I was gonna place it under bed. I was gonna
run to the window and then, uh, you know, obviously
Wade Miley helped the game go over, so I'm kind
of glad I didn't. But man, I'll e took us
(03:28):
to hear that lineup and go them on in the
roun today and they did. They get their one. Good
for them.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
This is but this has been a thing for a decade.
Like how many times over the past decade have the
has the lineup come out and we've gone, what how
did we get here?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
No? No, that's a good point. That's and and here's
the thing. This is the sobering part to this is
it just feels like it's trending towards another reboot, right,
And I don't know how many fans because I can't
stomach that anymore. I don't know how many fans could
still that anymore. And listen, if that's the case, if
we're going to that, let's reboot everything. Let's reboot ownership,
(04:06):
Let's reboot the front office. I'm not trusting Nick Krawl
to do another reboot, are you.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I honestly, I don't think Nick Krawl is as bad
as some have painted the picture, because I think a
lot of things that he does are handcuffed by ownership.
But he hasn't been great by any stretch of the imagination.
I think he's done okay given the constraints that he
is he is required to work with. Here's my concern, Skinny,
(04:33):
what in the world would they get for any of
these guys if they did another reboot, at least like
you know, the one in the early twenty tens. There
were guys that had proven a lot, the ones right
after COVID, there were guys that had proven a lot.
What in the world are they going to get out
of this bunch?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And the sobering part is you would have hoped Rhet
Lauder would have been in the mixed because of his
injury situation. At the moment, I'm guessing Chase Burns will
have eventually be in the mix at some point this summer.
So you do have some kits maybe in the in
the rotation. I mean, teams always looking at Bolster at
the deadline, I mean Nick Martinez could be a tradable piece.
Brady Singer could be a tradable piece. I don't know
what you get, but I think you get back way more.
(05:13):
For Nick Martinez. I think he actually be a valuable
piece to trade because you do have some young pitching there,
but yet to your point in the lineup, I mean, no,
there's there's there isn't one, you know. I had a
question on the podcast asked of me the other day
that Rick and I did about, you know, would you
consider at some point when would you consider trading Ellie?
And I'm I'm not there yet. I don't think anybody
(05:34):
should be there yet, But I mean, are we gonna
watch them waste whatever development he comes into superstardom because
it feels like it's closing in man, it feels like
he's getting a little bit more consistent. It doesn't feel
far away, not quite there yet. But are they really
gonna waste that? And if not, I mean, what hall
could you get back? I mean again, there's a lot
(05:54):
of questions to me. I will say this. So Matt
McLain in there every day the rest of the year.
Throw Cees in there every day of the year, you know,
see what you've got in those guys and you Steer, Yeah,
see what you got in those guys? And if they
produced great, Okay, those were going to be part of
Those were supposed to be parts of this process, right.
It was supposed to be major Matt McClain at the
top of the lineup cees in the middle of this lineup,
(06:16):
Spencer Steer maybe hitting the sixth hole with twenty five
home runner thirty home run power. That's what they were
banking on. And I don't blame them for that. I
mean when they all all were coming up and doing that,
it's like, Okay, this this looks like a good nucleus.
Well it's not at the moment, but I think you
need to use the rest of this year or whatever
it is to find out are they bonafide or are
they not bonified? And if they're not, okay, we need
to go fix this and fix this quickly.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Brings me to my other major concern the development of
position players in this franchise.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Right, that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I mean, Jay, Bruce, Brandon Phillips, like that crew is
the last time I really felt like there was an
you know, Todd Frazier an incredible level of development amongst
the position players right now, when other than just the
obvious of Elie who you know, it's it's officially today,
two years since he's been called up. I think he's
(07:06):
been really good. But other than that, and he's a
generational talent, what in the world have they developed?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Good question? I mean, I think you know, it's fair
to point the injuries out. My play miss obviously all
of last year because of the old league and Cees
has dealt with all kinds of injury issues. Steer started
this year with that shoulder issue and he's actually started
to hit him late and maybe that's because the shoulder
is getting healthier. So maybe again that's why I say,
let's let this whole thing play out. Hopefully it plays
out with that those guys healthying getting you know, bats
(07:37):
on a daily basis. Let's see what we got and
if not, then yes, we can certainly point to your point.
I mean, developing players I think has been a pract
fall this team for sure.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Let's move to the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Ot as are mandatory, Voluntary OTAs are done. Mandatory OTAs
start on Monday. Will see Trey Hendrickson hanging around and
holding in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
If you will, that's a great question. I'm gonna say yes,
because he likes his money and I don't think he's
gonna want to get fined. I'm going to guess he
will have talked to Zach Taylor by then, and Zach
will probably do him a solid like he did Jamar
Chase last year. Remember, Jamar didn't do anything in the
in the in the voluntary portion. Did show up for
Minnie Camp, but but didn't really participate. But he was
(08:27):
on hand. He you know, was was there when they
were doing the installs. He was taking metal reps all
those things. You know. I'm guessing Zach did him a
salad there and said show up that way, you don't
get fined. Be a part of this, and he was.
And my guess is Trey will do the same thing.
The other interesting one to me is Jermaine Pratt is
still under He hasn't, Yeah, he hasn't been any of
(08:50):
any of the voluntary stuff because he demanded a trade.
He saw them draft a couple of linebackers and sign
Warren Burks and kind of saw the riding on the wall.
I'm sure. And yet you know, again, this is mandatory,
is he gonna be there next week and at what
level does he participate if he shows.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Up and then Shamar Stewart, they are counting on him
to be a big plead piece of this defense is
it as simple as the Bengals just need to get there.
They're changing the language in the rookie contract. Okay, that's fine,
But if you're gonna do that, this is a give
and take situation. Will the Bengals give a little to
get this thing across the finish line?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
They can't have this guy missing much more.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I'm with you, I mean, you you you, I mean
people can go well, it's just O TA, I get it.
It's fine, But I still stand by this alcohol comment
sticks with me from when we talk to him up
at the combine of of you know, talking about trying
to hit the ground running and canting. He talked about it.
He needed every O T A practice he could possibly
get to get guys up the full speed. And yes,
(09:51):
Shamar Stewart's there watching. Yes, all reports are he's an
attentive kid. He does all the right things in you know,
in the in the meeting rooms all that. But to
the other point, it is it's important for those guys
to take physical reps as well, and so you've missed
all this time of him taking physical reps. You know,
if he's not under contract, he's not gonna take part
next week either, I mean mandatorily, he'll be there again.
He's been at every OTA, just hasn't participated. And then
(10:14):
you know, do we have this stalemate until camp comes?
And then what happens when camp comes around. I don't
think his side's gonna budget on this because again they
don't want I don't plan in. The Bengals are trying
to make a precedent setting contract for whatever reason, I
don't know, but they're trying, and it's to this point
the other side has said, no, don't forget Demetrius Knight
(10:34):
is technically not signed yet either. Now he did sign
his waiver to be able to have some under contract,
but he's not under contract and so and they're trying
the same language with him too. So does he then
when camp rolls around, going no, I'm not doing this.
I'm not taking part in the physicality of this without
my contract sign So you got a couple of things,
and that's where it goes back to the Germaine Pride.
This is he liked the insurance policy that if somehow
(10:56):
Knight doesn't sign at at least he's still around at
I think they've done dirty, to be quite frank. I mean, listen,
think what you want about what your main did on
the field last year. He wasn't very good. He looked
a step slow, but he was voted to captain by teammates.
He's been a serviceable starter in this league. He's been
nothing but a pro. Coaches have praised him for his
smarts and his professionalism. And you're gonna do the guy
(11:17):
like this and not let him go find another team
when you really don't have him in the works other
than maybe to keep him as an insurance policy. That's bad.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
PFF article.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Fine, last thing for you, a PFF article stating or
opining that they have the Bengals as the eighteenth best
roster in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Hmm? Man. You've got some real stars though, but they
made that point.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
They were the stars are the brightest of the bright.
But they haven't drafted and developed anyone. And it feels
like three four years.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, Case Brown, I'll put it in that mix.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
But I mean, on a like it is a big
picture you're not talking about. There's a bunch of guys
that are coming into their like you know, they're all
pro level seasons or anything of that nature.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Well, I will say I think we would agree with this.
I haven't seen the article, but I would be willing
to guess at the defensive sidetracked that definitely.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
And they said at the end of the article, if
if al Golden can get this young defense playing, they
could jump as high as you know, eight but right
now they're eighteen.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I think it's fair.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah. I mean if you look at mean the two
starting safeties last year, there were one hundred and seventy
one graded safeties in the NFL, and Jordan Battle and
Genostone tied for one hundred and thirty six. So that's
gonna drag your grade down a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
You have the two worst guards in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Two worst guards in the NFL, and now you've got
Fairchild and Lucas Patrick repping. And again that's a rookie
who you really don't know anything about until really the
bullets start flying. And Lucas Patrick's been a serviceable pro,
but he really's never nailed down starting positions in his career.
And yet he right now is currently at least through
the loota. We saw last week he was the starting
right guard at least running with the first steam it
(13:00):
right guard last week.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I'm worried a little. I'm worried about everything in a
stupid town right now, Skinny. I don't feel good about anything.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I don't blame you, man, it's honestly, I do. I
feel like with the Reds, it feels like I just
woke up. I was like, is this twenty seventeen or
twenty ninth, Just twenty twenty two? No, wait a minute,
it's twenty twenty five. I mean Rick made the play
on a podcast of the other day. He's like, remember
talking about the Reds last year's time, you know what
their record was on the day we're doing this podcast,
three twenty nine and thirty three. They were twenty nine
and thirty three, So yeah, one game difference. Here they
(13:30):
are thirty and thirty three at that time. Yeah. It's
just it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's uh, it feels like, at some point in time,
walk into my car, I'm going to run into Bill Murray.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
No exactly, Ned Ryer, no question. I mean, that's literally
what it feels like I mean, it feels like eons
ago when all that young group came up in twenty
twenty three, and there was legitimate reason to be excited
because they did things to make you excited. Now you're
like Connor, Joe's in the lineup and he's bat in
sixth or Seventhugh.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
What's Ampson's first name? I don't even Scott Scottie Hobson.
Is that the kid from university?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Exactly? I mean, good, gracious, graaty go look at that.
I mean, how that cats on this roster is beyond me.
I guess that that's the indictment of all indictments.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
There's hope that we could get called up any day, Skinny. Yeah, Keeady, Thanks,
brother Doug. You zon appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
There you go, Richard Skinner, Local twelve. Let's take a break.
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