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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This person was a content moderator for a company right
where there's interaction between uh client and company, So they
would they would monitor the content that was in the
the the back and forth between client and company. And
(00:20):
that was his job. If that is your job, do
most companies? And I know his company didn't because he's
filing a lawsuit, but do most companies if you were,
if you were a content moderator, the the middleman between income.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know why am I over explaining?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Is this like you say this on social media sites?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Like before Facebook fired a lot of people, they had moderation.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, sure, yeah, And so by the way, I would
bet I would bet Facebook has it. I would bet
I would bet they all have them or had them.
I don't know if they still do.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
They've definitely reduced their forces.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Would they go go way back? Would AOL have had them? Yeah,
like during their heyday, Yeah, AOL would have. Oh, they
definitely had chat room moderate moderators because whenever somebody would
come in, whenever you like, mod would come into the
chat room, everybody would just disappear. So they definitely had
(01:18):
content moderators. Oh that that's a good call. So if
you're a content moderator, right, let's stick with AOL. Let's
stick with Facebook, let's fix let's stick with any of them,
any of them, many boards, any any place that you
would you would moderate content. Do they have Do companies
have outlets for people to be able to deal with
(01:39):
maybe some of the stuff that they're reading, Like some
of the stuff I would imagine if you're now that
you say like message boards and and and older, like uh,
like message groups and stuff like that, I would imagine
you could end up in some groups where there's some
pretty hateful things that there are some pretty insensitive things
that you would end.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Up in that.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do are they our employees give and some kind of.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Support for that, whether it's talking to somebody or additional training,
just just some.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Outlet to be able to get away with it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
The graphic nature and the material they're coming into contact with. Oh,
it would be a recipe for disaster if you didn't
have those resources available to your staff. What a job
that is? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
A former content moderator.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Is suing his company for psychological trauma, claiming that he
suffered after being exposed to extreme, violent, graphic, and explicit
content every day. Without industry standard safeguards. What are those
industry industry standard safeguards? And is that person suggesting they
(02:59):
that's something. It's just wasn't up to par or they
had nothing. Neil Barber is the guy's name. He filed
a lawsuit saying that the companies knowingly and intentionally failed
to provide their content moderators with enders industry standard excuse
me mental health protections such as content filters, wellness breaks,
(03:22):
trauma informed counseling, and or peer support systems. The lawsuit
has proposed class action for moderators hired in the last
four years at the company that he works for. So
he's saying he's got PTSD back.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I believe it, and that's just going off of what
you've told us.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Am I going to line one. Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Hi, I had a friend who is a content content
moderator for a little bit and it's pretty bad because
they have to see the things that to catch the stuff.
Even for AI to train the AI on how to
do things, they have to show it what they don't
want it to be, what they don't want to be seen.
So the content moderators in Western countries are pushing for
(04:11):
therapy because things of the most hateful, horrible things that
people post. And then there's also the problem is that
the worst thing is that in other countries they have
to do contract moderation and base them out of foreign
countries because just to look at, for example, child porn
or these horrible things that are illegal, they have to
do it in a country where it's.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Not illegal to view it.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
And that's how they moderate it. And to train the AI,
the AI or to train the system, they have to
show it to them. So imagine seeing people doing the
most horrible things.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
To animals and children and or.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Live streaming stuff or snuff basically like snuff stuff, and
they're watching that and it's that's why stuff doesn't get caught.
And now they're and they're they're not giving them therapy either.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Oh you know, that's an interesting angle. I didn't even
think of that as like all the stuff don't see
is because and I understand what you're saying about the
training right to train AI. That makes sense to me,
But even take AI out of it for a second,
even though you can't and we'll get to that part.
But all the stuff we don't see, they do, like
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you don't even think of that, and you just think
of them seeing like they're they're like, oh, they've got
to some of the vile crap they that we see,
they got to see. They got to see it over
and over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I didn't even.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Think of it from the standpoint of God, what are
they catching that doesn't get through?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
My friend was saying that one of the worst things
is the sounds, because it's hard. It's one thing to
close your eyes and not hear the images, but it's
like when you watch a horror movie versus when you
watch a news thing and you know one thing is
real and one thing's not right, and people will post stuff.
There's fetish videos where it's all about a fetish of
torturing animals, or these underground websites or things like that,
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or they wonder they see stuff and they're wondering, whatever
happened to that person? Was there ever anything that was found?
Is the news following up on this, like is this
person reported missing? It's you know, all these questions you have,
and he just he couldn't do it after a while,
and then he said, it's so much worse if you're
a person working in a foreign country because there's no protections, right,
(06:17):
and there's no therapy, and they see the worst of
the worst.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Where was your buddy a content moderator.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I don't want to say, because he I forget what
it was. It was through a contracted company that did it,
and so I'm not sure exactly which companies, but it's
it was for I think it might have been for
Facebook or another website, and I'm not I don't remember though,
because if it was contracts through another company, I got
(06:48):
and he was working with some of the AI to
try to not just the AI, but just trying to
catch keywords of the difference between like let's say, a
Percy Jackson movie where there's action with children characters versus
actual violence.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know, I got you, I got you. Hey, I
appreciate it, Thank you, sir, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Because this guy who's filed the lawsuit, he was hired
by Bayside Support Services and Multimedia LLC.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Where are they based out of I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Bay Side Support, you said.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Bayside Support Services and Multimedia LLC. Where's Bayside Support Services.
It looks like Florida, Okay, that could be so that
almost sounds like it's going to be this Well, they
also have a VATA address, But is this sort of
(07:40):
like what the caller said, It was contracted out, probably
because the guy who's suing uhh, he was moderating for Chatterbait. Now, Diane,
c h a T stop stop you are.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I know we've talked about the site before.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I'm going to ask a question. Maybe Diane's thinking, yes,
which which one is that? What do you mean, like,
what is that site? Chatterbab I recognize the name. It's
certainly come up before.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh it is you. You can't did you pull it up?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Diane?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
The largest website of live sex cams in the world?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
When did you pull up?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's got like ten thousand thumbnails right there on the Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I didn't go to their site.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'm just oh, oh go to their site, dude. Wow.
So yeah, that is Say that again, Diane, what is it?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's the largest website of live sex cams in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
How aggressive does that?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And it's free, by the way, How aggressive does that
have to be?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So specifically, what is he siting in this lawsuit? Because
you kind of gave us some generic terms.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Being exposed to extreme, violent, graphic and sexually explicit content.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
No way of finding relief.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Can I say one thing on behalf of Chatterbait?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Is I love it?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'm Tyler Chatterbait. No, but that's gotta make my mom proud.
So your son did go to college? Yes, now he's
speaking on behalf of Chatterbait.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, let me say one thing on their behalf.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Everybody needs a spokesperson.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
By the way, the company didn't even request me to
stand in necessarrog Yeah, I'm surprised to learn they have
content moderation. If anything, it's like good for that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, they have to, they have to.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I don't know. This seems lawless to me. I haven't
even clicked on the website click on it? Is this
going to mess the computer up?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
No, no, oh, I got the Are you sure you
want to visit this? No?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You're just gonna see yeah? Hit, okay, you're twenty one.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I gotta read through all this stuff. Oh stop it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
In terms of service, there are so many thumbnails that
you're getting ready to see, and in the in them
you will see no actual thumbnails.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
What are you reading?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I just I just.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Click on I'm not scanning my face.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Wait, scanning your face?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Verify your age? Visitors in Virginia must verify their age to.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Its co.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh, because of your computer, Tyler will do it. You
don't have to worry about that. It just click again.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't know, I've never seen that. My computer goes
right to it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
God blessed the old Dominion.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Well you pulled this up in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I pulled it up in my office.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Okay, so it's just gonna upset iHeart.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
No, are you kidding me? There we go. Oh, there's
all the thumbnails.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
All right, so I can confirm we're in Maryland.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, pick what take that young kin?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
So then you oh these are featured? Are these people
all live right now?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
No click on one no no, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So I can click featured women, men, couples or trans
But then I can click on private shows.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Oh, so this is a lot of people are watching.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
That's that is Yeah, that's an open that's an open feed.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh okay, so then I see over here on this
side of the page. I was distracted by all you know,
the graphic nudity legions, room size tags, oh, skinned skin
age yeah, and then private show tokens permit, what just happened?
All the screens moved for a second, you see.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That, Yes, because some people's stopped and so it just
repopulated with others.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So I'm to believe that Maddie and Jason are right
now in the middle of oral sex on no way
one hundred. It's not just a feed that they're like
pumping to the site click on it. Nope, yes, it's live.
Well how many private show tokens per minute?
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Are we?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah? So imagine your your Neil Barber.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And who's that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
This is the guy who filed.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And you totally forgot about the loss?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What did you do? What did you do? How you
went to the story? Go back to the other tab?
There we go? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Is Jason still getting after it?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Maddie and Jason?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, I mean according to them, I don't think. I
don't know they've changed positions. Is that still Maddie and Jason? Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So every so often you'll almost get like a like
a like a new like a refresh. Yeah, but it's
almost like a new photo of this.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I have a searching for the word a new screenshot
from what's going on? Like she has changed her position
and now she's ass in the air.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So you see that.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
One of their hashtags? So yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, so this guy neil Is is a moderator, but
was like, there's no imagine imagine what you're not seeing,
Imagine what you're not.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Seeing requests for.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
But what did you say about the class action nature
of this?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So what he's saying is I'm going to sue, but
I'm going to sue not just on behalf of myself,
but for all the other moderators who are getting industry
industry I can't say that term street standards. So he's
saying this is for me and all my colleagues, which
is nice.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
They have eighty one pages of feature channels that are
open that are featured. Yeah, how do you get featured?
Do you pay for that popularity?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean you'd lead with you like who's in that
top left hand corner, Roslin?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, hey girl, she's hashtags shy.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
She's shy, No, she ain't.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I knew a couple of shy girls growing up, and
right now Rosalind is shy.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But I'm seeing both boobs in a bagoon. But I'm shy.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Most of the shy girls eyes I knew were turtlenecks
and hoodies, not her.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Her hashtags are shy natural, big boobs and eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Hashtag fist pump hashtag whoo oh so I oh so
their ages?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I see you don't have to put that in hashtag
because it's a lot of these are teenagers.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, they're adults.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, but I'm saying I'm surprised how many say a and.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh my god, what is the second row on the left? What?
What what is she doing there? She needs a wheelbarrow
to carry them tiggies?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Oh that's uh, jolly joy. No hashtags on her?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
No room, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Size of those hashtag back pain?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I girls?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Goodness, gracious right what there's gotta be something, there's something, yes,
what what the uh? The bait and switches here?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Sure, I'm just I'm not.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I'm not buying this site.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Hi Elliott in the morning yet? Hello?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Who's this?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Grab or not say? Because people know me. I used
to do chatterbait.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Dude, Oh did you really?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I was. I had my own chat room. Like it's international.
Did people join these chat rooms from all over the world.
Every chat room has a moderator. If they wish to,
and they can filter, but there's no moderating. But there
are things that are forbidden on there. And everyone's age verified.
(16:27):
I can guarantee you that they go through a verification process.
That's a big pain in the.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
As everybody who's got a channel, everybody who's got a
channel is age verified, all right, so let me be sure.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Wow? Wait what am I?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
What am I?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh my god, Tyler, look at that?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Hello, Toushy, I had enough.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I had enough problems on where where I got the
banned by the vice president of chatterbait Borg.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Wait you got banned? What were you doing?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Somebody, somebody who a gay guy who was in love
with me that I would not show affection too in
my chat room reported me for things that are not
allowed like vomiting and and and pooping and things like that.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
But you were you doing that? Or or he just
claimed no, I understand that, But what is the vomiting thing?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
You can't do that stuff? Some people have fetishes, you
know that, sure, But people I did, I didn't know
how much stuff that was out there. Okay. I learned
a lot from doing it for a few years. I
learned a lot from trans people uh, you name it.
I learned a lot, right, But if you go on there,
you can make friends. But it's changed so much now
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it's monetary. It's monetized so badly. It's worse than only fans.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Hey, did you yes a little bit? Well, I can't
say that. I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I haven't seen that I need I.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Even do only fans. I quit chatter. Baby, I still
got friends from there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Did you did you have a did you request a
moderator or no?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
No, my fans actually moderated my room for me. I
had a badass bunch of fans. I had three thousand
followers full time and from all over the world. Chat
was great. You could talk about anything, just like your show.
But wow, what an experience. The model side or the
you know, the host side is so different from what
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the people in public see. Here's one thing I want
you to remember. They're paid performers, and what people do
there on that website that's not them in real life.
They go, they go when they're done with their show,
they change their clothes, they change their shoes, and they
walk out of there and they are a different person.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, no that I totally get how
often were you How often were you streaming?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I got addicted to it, man.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like, were you doing it? Were you doing it every day?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And when you let me back up for a second,
when you say you got addicted to it because of
the money or because that wasn't the fame, I would funnel.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I would funnel my money. It was still the same.
I would funnel my money off. Anybody that that tipped
me or anything like that. I would actually cheer them
on to tip somebody else that was a female that
would be in much Let's watch our language a little bit, please.
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, you dropped an alf, you dropped an aft.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
There, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's okay, that's okay, but yes, yeah, no, you are no.
But I can understand that you said you got addicted
to being known in the notoriety. And now you've got
three thousand people who are coming to watch you. So
you were so you were Can I ask you this
was this? Was this your only job? Or would you
would you finish up your show and then just go
go to work?
Speaker 6 (19:44):
It was after work, But like I said, it was addictive.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Right, and you've got customers all over the world.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Yeah, every continent for sure?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
What was your specialty, ed jan Wow?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I had.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I had females from all over the world checking in
on me to make sure I was still okay, wow,
because yeah, I was nuts.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You know what, I give you credit. That's not what
I was expecting. I don't know what it was, but
that's not what I was expecting. Good for you.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
So, like I was saying earlier, there are certain acts
that are forbidden, but they can put as many digits
in as they can without going all the way right.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's I think you can say that. That's fine shoehorn gosh.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
You can go into the rules and content stuff, but
let me tell you what I had the most fun with.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Careful, careful, careful please no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
No, okay.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I could thank people out. I learned how to do
green screen. And they were just starting to do an
app that you could do third third party streaming through,
and I was doing green screen, and I could do
my show from anywhere I wanted to with a video
background or still image background. I could be at a bar,
on the beach, on a boat, it didn't matter. Genius.
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I could do green screen and broadcast. I broadcasted showing
myself interviewing myself.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh dude, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Why why did you stop? Okay, I had to dump that.
He broke his penis. He broke his Yeah, he broke his.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I had to I had to do a lot of
research to find out if I was going to need
surgery or not.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I hope you exclusively used your friends on the site
for that research.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Man. I'll put it to you this way. There might
be a couple of people listening in the area that
knows who the hell this is?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Right? The all right, very good, very good? Hey, can
I can I ask you this?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And I know that you said that your your fans
moderated your your your stream and that you didn't have
you didn't have a content moderator for those that for
those that did, do you understand this guy's lawsuit of
going like, dude, you you don't know you you have
no idea what I'm saying, Like, I need I need therapy,
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I need something.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
I believe that because you, first of all, it is
a mind. F a mind a minor Okay, if you
don't have an open mind, it can be able to learn.
Actually you got to learn, right, it's like being an
(22:40):
emt uh, a emergency medical technician. You don't know what
you're going.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
To see, right, Yeah, now, I get that. I get that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So it sounds like it sounds like Neil Barber is
onto something.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Hey, last thing before I let you jump.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I I know that you stopped doing chatter bait because
you broke your penis.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
How's your penis now? Stewage and got a boy? All right?
Very good, all right, very good, very good, Thank you, sir,
thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Write that down.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
You know what I got from him though, an eye opening. Yes, so,
chatter bait is a combination of the words chatting, masturbait.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
No kidding.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Oh okay. By the way, it's the fortieth most popular
website in the world chatter bait is, yes. Is it
really that crazy that I just wouldn't expect it to be.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Like porn Hub's won No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Saying most popular porn site. No, I'm not either total
website pornhub. I don't know. There's no way porn hubs.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Now, it's got to be like Google or something.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Oh okay, all right, well that's a search engine.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well they didn't say what the nature.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Oh I know.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Okay, Google porn Hub. I guarantee you porn Hub bigger
than Bing. Yes, Google is number one, can by double.
I mean it's crazy popular Google because it's a search engine.
I use Google to get to porn Hub. Take that,
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young kid, I got there.
This person was a content moderator for a company right
where there's interaction between uh client and company, So they
would they would monitor the content that was in the
the the back and forth between client and company. And
(00:20):
that was his job. If that is your job, do
most companies? And I know his company didn't because he's
filing a lawsuit, but do most companies if you were,
if you were a content moderator, the the middleman between income.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know why am I over explaining?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Is this like you say this on social media sites?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Like before Facebook fired a lot of people, they had moderation.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, sure, yeah, And so by the way, I would
bet I would bet Facebook has it. I would bet
I would bet they all have them or had them.
I don't know if they still do.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
They've definitely reduced their forces.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Would they go go way back? Would AOL have had them? Yeah,
like during their heyday, Yeah, AOL would have. Oh, they
definitely had chat room moderate moderators because whenever somebody would
come in, whenever you like, mod would come into the
chat room, everybody would just disappear. So they definitely had
(01:18):
content moderators. Oh that that's a good call. So if
you're a content moderator, right, let's stick with AOL. Let's
stick with Facebook, let's fix let's stick with any of them,
any of them, many boards, any any place that you
would you would moderate content. Do they have Do companies
have outlets for people to be able to deal with
(01:39):
maybe some of the stuff that they're reading, Like some
of the stuff I would imagine if you're now that
you say like message boards and and and older, like uh,
like message groups and stuff like that, I would imagine
you could end up in some groups where there's some
pretty hateful things that there are some pretty insensitive things
that you would end.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Up in that.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do are they our employees give and some kind of.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Support for that, whether it's talking to somebody or additional training,
just just some.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Outlet to be able to get away with it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
The graphic nature and the material they're coming into contact with. Oh,
it would be a recipe for disaster if you didn't
have those resources available to your staff. What a job
that is? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
A former content moderator.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Is suing his company for psychological trauma, claiming that he
suffered after being exposed to extreme, violent, graphic, and explicit
content every day. Without industry standard safeguards. What are those
industry industry standard safeguards? And is that person suggesting they
(02:59):
that's something. It's just wasn't up to par or they
had nothing. Neil Barber is the guy's name. He filed
a lawsuit saying that the companies knowingly and intentionally failed
to provide their content moderators with enders industry standard excuse
me mental health protections such as content filters, wellness breaks,
(03:22):
trauma informed counseling, and or peer support systems. The lawsuit
has proposed class action for moderators hired in the last
four years at the company that he works for. So
he's saying he's got PTSD back.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I believe it, and that's just going off of what
you've told us.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Am I going to line one. Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Hi, I had a friend who is a content content
moderator for a little bit and it's pretty bad because
they have to see the things that to catch the stuff.
Even for AI to train the AI on how to
do things, they have to show it what they don't
want it to be, what they don't want to be seen.
So the content moderators in Western countries are pushing for
(04:11):
therapy because things of the most hateful, horrible things that
people post. And then there's also the problem is that
the worst thing is that in other countries they have
to do contract moderation and base them out of foreign
countries because just to look at, for example, child porn
or these horrible things that are illegal, they have to
do it in a country where it's.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Not illegal to view it.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
And that's how they moderate it. And to train the AI,
the AI or to train the system, they have to
show it to them. So imagine seeing people doing the
most horrible things.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
To animals and children and or.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Live streaming stuff or snuff basically like snuff stuff, and
they're watching that and it's that's why stuff doesn't get caught.
And now they're and they're they're not giving them therapy either.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Oh you know, that's an interesting angle. I didn't even
think of that as like all the stuff don't see
is because and I understand what you're saying about the
training right to train AI. That makes sense to me,
But even take AI out of it for a second,
even though you can't and we'll get to that part.
But all the stuff we don't see, they do, like
(05:15):
you don't even think of that, and you just think
of them seeing like they're they're like, oh, they've got
to some of the vile crap they that we see,
they got to see. They got to see it over
and over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I didn't even.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Think of it from the standpoint of God, what are
they catching that doesn't get through?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
My friend was saying that one of the worst things
is the sounds, because it's hard. It's one thing to
close your eyes and not hear the images, but it's
like when you watch a horror movie versus when you
watch a news thing and you know one thing is
real and one thing's not right, and people will post stuff.
There's fetish videos where it's all about a fetish of
torturing animals, or these underground websites or things like that,
(05:56):
or they wonder they see stuff and they're wondering, whatever
happened to that person? Was there ever anything that was found?
Is the news following up on this, like is this
person reported missing? It's you know, all these questions you have,
and he just he couldn't do it after a while,
and then he said, it's so much worse if you're
a person working in a foreign country because there's no protections, right,
(06:17):
and there's no therapy, and they see the worst of
the worst.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Where was your buddy a content moderator.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I don't want to say, because he I forget what
it was. It was through a contracted company that did it,
and so I'm not sure exactly which companies, but it's
it was for I think it might have been for
Facebook or another website, and I'm not I don't remember though,
because if it was contracts through another company, I got
(06:48):
and he was working with some of the AI to
try to not just the AI, but just trying to
catch keywords of the difference between like let's say, a
Percy Jackson movie where there's action with children characters versus
actual violence.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You know, I got you, I got you. Hey, I
appreciate it, Thank you, sir, thank you.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Because this guy who's filed the lawsuit, he was hired
by Bayside Support Services and Multimedia LLC.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Where are they based out of I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Bay Side Support, you said.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Bayside Support Services and Multimedia LLC. Where's Bayside Support Services.
It looks like Florida, Okay, that could be so that
almost sounds like it's going to be this Well, they
also have a VATA address, But is this sort of
(07:40):
like what the caller said, It was contracted out, probably
because the guy who's suing uhh, he was moderating for Chatterbait. Now, Diane,
c h a T stop stop you are.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I know we've talked about the site before.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And I'm going to ask a question. Maybe Diane's thinking, yes,
which which one is that? What do you mean, like,
what is that site? Chatterbab I recognize the name. It's
certainly come up before.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh it is you. You can't did you pull it up?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Diane?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
The largest website of live sex cams in the world?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
When did you pull up?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's got like ten thousand thumbnails right there on the Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I didn't go to their site.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I'm just oh, oh go to their site, dude. Wow.
So yeah, that is Say that again, Diane, what is it?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's the largest website of live sex cams in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
How aggressive does that?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And it's free, by the way, How aggressive does that
have to be?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So specifically, what is he siting in this lawsuit? Because
you kind of gave us some generic terms.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Being exposed to extreme, violent, graphic and sexually explicit content.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
No way of finding relief.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Can I say one thing on behalf of Chatterbait?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Is I love it?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I'm Tyler Chatterbait. No, but that's gotta make my mom proud.
So your son did go to college? Yes, now he's
speaking on behalf of Chatterbait.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, let me say one thing on their behalf.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Everybody needs a spokesperson.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
By the way, the company didn't even request me to
stand in necessarrog Yeah, I'm surprised to learn they have
content moderation. If anything, it's like good for that.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, they have to, they have to.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I don't know. This seems lawless to me. I haven't
even clicked on the website click on it? Is this
going to mess the computer up?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
No, no, oh, I got the Are you sure you
want to visit this? No?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You're just gonna see yeah? Hit, okay, you're twenty one.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I gotta read through all this stuff. Oh stop it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
In terms of service, there are so many thumbnails that
you're getting ready to see, and in the in them
you will see no actual thumbnails.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
What are you reading?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I just I just.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Click on I'm not scanning my face.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Wait, scanning your face?
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Verify your age? Visitors in Virginia must verify their age to.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Its co.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh, because of your computer, Tyler will do it. You
don't have to worry about that. It just click again.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I don't know, I've never seen that. My computer goes
right to it.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
God blessed the old Dominion.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Well you pulled this up in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I pulled it up in my office.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Okay, so it's just gonna upset iHeart.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
No, are you kidding me? There we go. Oh, there's
all the thumbnails.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
All right, so I can confirm we're in Maryland.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, pick what take that young kin?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
So then you oh these are featured? Are these people
all live right now?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
No click on one no no, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So I can click featured women, men, couples or trans
But then I can click on private shows.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Oh, so this is a lot of people are watching.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
That's that is Yeah, that's an open that's an open feed.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh okay, so then I see over here on this
side of the page. I was distracted by all you know,
the graphic nudity legions, room size tags, oh, skinned skin
age yeah, and then private show tokens permit, what just happened?
All the screens moved for a second, you see.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
That, Yes, because some people's stopped and so it just
repopulated with others.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
So I'm to believe that Maddie and Jason are right
now in the middle of oral sex on no way
one hundred. It's not just a feed that they're like
pumping to the site click on it. Nope, yes, it's live.
Well how many private show tokens per minute?
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Are we?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah? So imagine your your Neil Barber.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
And who's that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
This is the guy who filed.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
And you totally forgot about the loss?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What did you do? What did you do? How you
went to the story? Go back to the other tab?
There we go? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Is Jason still getting after it?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Maddie and Jason?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, I mean according to them, I don't think. I
don't know they've changed positions. Is that still Maddie and Jason? Yes?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So every so often you'll almost get like a like
a like a new like a refresh. Yeah, but it's
almost like a new photo of this.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I have a searching for the word a new screenshot
from what's going on? Like she has changed her position
and now she's ass in the air.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
So you see that.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
One of their hashtags? So yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, so this guy neil Is is a moderator, but
was like, there's no imagine imagine what you're not seeing,
Imagine what you're not.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Seeing requests for.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
But what did you say about the class action nature
of this?
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
So what he's saying is I'm going to sue, but
I'm going to sue not just on behalf of myself,
but for all the other moderators who are getting industry
industry I can't say that term street standards. So he's
saying this is for me and all my colleagues, which
is nice.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
They have eighty one pages of feature channels that are
open that are featured. Yeah, how do you get featured?
Do you pay for that popularity?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean you'd lead with you like who's in that
top left hand corner, Roslin?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, hey girl, she's hashtags shy.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
She's shy, No, she ain't.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I knew a couple of shy girls growing up, and
right now Rosalind is shy.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But I'm seeing both boobs in a bagoon. But I'm shy.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Most of the shy girls eyes I knew were turtlenecks
and hoodies, not her.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Her hashtags are shy natural, big boobs and eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Hashtag fist pump hashtag whoo oh so I oh so
their ages?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I see you don't have to put that in hashtag
because it's a lot of these are teenagers.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
No, they're adults.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, but I'm saying I'm surprised how many say a and.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh my god, what is the second row on the left? What?
What what is she doing there? She needs a wheelbarrow
to carry them tiggies?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Oh that's uh, jolly joy. No hashtags on her?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
No room, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Size of those hashtag back pain?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I girls?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Goodness, gracious right what there's gotta be something, there's something, yes,
what what the uh? The bait and switches here?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Sure, I'm just I'm not.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
I'm not buying this site.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Hi Elliott in the morning yet? Hello?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Who's this?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Grab or not say? Because people know me. I used
to do chatterbait.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Dude, Oh did you really?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:06):
I was. I had my own chat room. Like it's international.
Did people join these chat rooms from all over the world.
Every chat room has a moderator. If they wish to,
and they can filter, but there's no moderating. But there
are things that are forbidden on there. And everyone's age verified.
(16:27):
I can guarantee you that they go through a verification process.
That's a big pain in the.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
As everybody who's got a channel, everybody who's got a
channel is age verified, all right, so let me be sure.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Wow? Wait what am I?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
What am I?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh my god, Tyler, look at that?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Hello, Toushy, I had enough.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
I had enough problems on where where I got the
banned by the vice president of chatterbait Borg.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Wait you got banned? What were you doing?
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Somebody, somebody who a gay guy who was in love
with me that I would not show affection too in
my chat room reported me for things that are not
allowed like vomiting and and and pooping and things like that.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
But you were you doing that? Or or he just
claimed no, I understand that, But what is the vomiting thing?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
You can't do that stuff? Some people have fetishes, you
know that, sure, But people I did, I didn't know
how much stuff that was out there. Okay. I learned
a lot from doing it for a few years. I
learned a lot from trans people uh, you name it.
I learned a lot, right, But if you go on there,
you can make friends. But it's changed so much now
(17:38):
it's monetary. It's monetized so badly. It's worse than only fans.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Hey, did you yes a little bit? Well, I can't
say that. I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I haven't seen that I need I.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Even do only fans. I quit chatter. Baby, I still
got friends from there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Did you did you have a did you request a
moderator or no?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
No, my fans actually moderated my room for me. I
had a badass bunch of fans. I had three thousand
followers full time and from all over the world. Chat
was great. You could talk about anything, just like your show.
But wow, what an experience. The model side or the
you know, the host side is so different from what
(18:22):
the people in public see. Here's one thing I want
you to remember. They're paid performers, and what people do
there on that website that's not them in real life.
They go, they go when they're done with their show,
they change their clothes, they change their shoes, and they
walk out of there and they are a different person.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, no that I totally get how
often were you How often were you streaming?
Speaker 6 (18:47):
I got addicted to it, man.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like, were you doing it? Were you doing it every day?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And when you let me back up for a second,
when you say you got addicted to it because of
the money or because that wasn't the fame, I would funnel.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
I would funnel my money. It was still the same.
I would funnel my money off. Anybody that that tipped
me or anything like that. I would actually cheer them
on to tip somebody else that was a female that
would be in much Let's watch our language a little bit, please.
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, you dropped an alf, you dropped an aft.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
There, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's okay, that's okay, but yes, yeah, no, you are no.
But I can understand that you said you got addicted
to being known in the notoriety. And now you've got
three thousand people who are coming to watch you. So
you were so you were Can I ask you this
was this? Was this your only job? Or would you
would you finish up your show and then just go
go to work?
Speaker 6 (19:44):
It was after work, But like I said, it was addictive.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Right, and you've got customers all over the world.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Yeah, every continent for sure?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
What was your specialty, ed jan Wow?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I had.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
I had females from all over the world checking in
on me to make sure I was still okay, wow,
because yeah, I was nuts.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You know what, I give you credit. That's not what
I was expecting. I don't know what it was, but
that's not what I was expecting. Good for you.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
So, like I was saying earlier, there are certain acts
that are forbidden, but they can put as many digits
in as they can without going all the way right.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's I think you can say that. That's fine shoehorn gosh.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
You can go into the rules and content stuff, but
let me tell you what I had the most fun with.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Careful, careful, careful please no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
No, okay.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
I could thank people out. I learned how to do
green screen. And they were just starting to do an
app that you could do third third party streaming through,
and I was doing green screen, and I could do
my show from anywhere I wanted to with a video
background or still image background. I could be at a bar,
on the beach, on a boat, it didn't matter. Genius.
(21:06):
I could do green screen and broadcast. I broadcasted showing
myself interviewing myself.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh dude, that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (21:14):
It was fun.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Why why did you stop? Okay, I had to dump that.
He broke his penis. He broke his Yeah, he broke his.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I had to I had to do a lot of
research to find out if I was going to need
surgery or not.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I hope you exclusively used your friends on the site
for that research.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
Man. I'll put it to you this way. There might
be a couple of people listening in the area that
knows who the hell this is?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Right? The all right, very good, very good? Hey, can
I can I ask you this?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And I know that you said that your your fans
moderated your your your stream and that you didn't have
you didn't have a content moderator for those that for
those that did, do you understand this guy's lawsuit of
going like, dude, you you don't know you you have
no idea what I'm saying, Like, I need I need therapy,
(22:17):
I need something.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
I believe that because you, first of all, it is
a mind. F a mind a minor Okay, if you
don't have an open mind, it can be able to learn.
Actually you got to learn, right, it's like being an
(22:40):
emt uh, a emergency medical technician. You don't know what
you're going.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
To see, right, Yeah, now, I get that. I get that.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So it sounds like it sounds like Neil Barber is
onto something.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Hey, last thing before I let you jump.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I I know that you stopped doing chatter bait because
you broke your penis.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
How's your penis now? Stewage and got a boy? All right?
Very good, all right, very good, very good, Thank you, sir,
thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
Write that down.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
You know what I got from him though, an eye opening. Yes, so,
chatter bait is a combination of the words chatting, masturbait.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
No kidding.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Oh okay. By the way, it's the fortieth most popular
website in the world chatter bait is, yes. Is it
really that crazy that I just wouldn't expect it to be.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Like porn Hub's won No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Saying most popular porn site. No, I'm not either total
website pornhub. I don't know. There's no way porn hubs.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Now, it's got to be like Google or something.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Oh okay, all right, well that's a search engine.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well they didn't say what the nature.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Oh I know.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Okay, Google porn Hub. I guarantee you porn Hub bigger
than Bing. Yes, Google is number one, can by double.
I mean it's crazy popular Google because it's a search engine.
I use Google to get to porn Hub. Take that,
(24:18):
young kid, I got there.
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