September 29, 2024 • 30 mins
We often ask the question "What do women want?" but now it's time to ask What Do Black Men Want? Is it stability? Instagram models? Freedom to express themselves? Patty and the crew discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is the podcast conversation Patty and the Millennials. I'm
Patty Jackson. I'm a radio vet in Philadelphia and i
am a baby boomer. Conversation is important. So I've gathered
up millennials and Gen X and we're reaching down to
the Gen zs. But conversation is a month, is a
must and we talk about everything. Legendary broadcaster Uncle Oh
(00:40):
is joining us. And the question that I have, and
this is not a monolith, but what do you think
that black men want? Is it a better understanding? I'm
scratching my head. Not the rappers influence my opinion. The
rappers that just had these hateful, mean things to say
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about our Vice President Kamala Harris, and it's like, damn,
who hurt you?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And you just hear this, like, well what do y'all want?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well? What the problem with black men?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
And Kamala Harris is her her career as an Attorney
general and when she was the attorneyjoh I'm sorry, prosecutor.
When she was a prosecutor in LA she was known
for jailing black men, and she was known for jailing black.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Men and then using them their labor.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Well, she didn't do it herself, but under her watch,
black men were being used as the slave labor, so
to speak.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
But what they what they aren't.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
The problem is Kamala Harris didn't get the message out
that that's not what That wasn't under her or watch,
or it was under her watch, but it wasn't her fault,
and she didn't she didn't tell people that once she
found out what was going on, she put a stop
to it.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
She did not know what was happening.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, messaging is important in relationships, is it? Understanding?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I think understanding is just it's just a big part.
Because mental health also plays a part because for many
men to be a black man, it's hard in America.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Mhm, Well, black men aren't getting help for things the
way women are.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Period. So for instance, you know, when you go through.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
A breakup that's traumatic, we're not dealing with the trauma.
We're not dealing with being feeling feeling disenfranchised. You know,
I think a lot of people, a lot of black
men are running the trump because they feel as though
they were given something but not understanding that they it
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had to happen, and everyone was given something so at
the time it was it was needed, but not at
this time, it's not gonna happen. And people just aren't
getting help for the things that go on with them.
If you're in a relationship and you bring and you
got a woman broke up with you, then you need
to go get some help for that. And ment people
aren't just getting help, not just black men, just men period.
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Men aren't getting help for the traumas that are hitting
them in their lives.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
What about the woman who says they have list some women,
he's gotta be over five nine, he's gotta make one
hundred thousand dollars a year. He's gotta, he's gotta, he's gotta.
Do you think some women have unrealistic expectations and they
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don't know how to recognize a good man.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
That's the other thing, right, Men feel like men don't
feel like relationships are relationships anymore. Men feel like relationships
are transactions, and so men aren't interested.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Men really are interested in love.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Women are interested in transactions men don't care about you.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Know, a man will take a woman.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
With uh with nothing and build her up, but a
woman won't take a man with nothing and build him.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Well, not all women.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I know women that have done that.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
But it's more men that will take a woman and
build her up than there are men that will do
the same. I mean women are do the same, and
women will price themselves out of sensual relationships because of what.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
They're asking for.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
There's nothing wrong with asking for what you want, but
be realistic about your expectations and don't complain that you're single.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Oh there's not enough aligible men. There are, it's just you.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
You've told old men that he has to have the A,
B and C in order to be with you.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And because he's missing me, he's even attempting to look
at you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This is the podcast conversation Patty and the Millennials. Thanks
for joining us. Desi Niel is here and DESI, what
do black men want?
Speaker 6 (05:20):
What is?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And I'm not talking about all black men right right,
but what do you think that black men want? I'm
talking about politics. Is so disheartening to see. Well, rappers
don't influence me, but if they come out against a
vice president Kamala Harris? What do they want in relationships?
(05:44):
Are some expectations too unrealistic? What do you think black
men want? You know what, Auntie, I'll be honest.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I really thought I knew, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I'm a listener.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I have been listening.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
Listen to my brother's face to face, I listen online,
I listen to talks, and I really.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Thought I knew.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
But just when I think I know, the terrain of
the black man changes. I understand because of the emotional oppression,
the physical oppression, you know what I mean, the emasculation.
So I understand that you know, a cage animal, whether
physically or emotionally.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Once it's free, will run all around. So then now
all these changes.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
Are taking place because our men are running around trying
to figure out. But the staples that I know are respect.
The staples that I know are love unconditionally. The staples
that I know are a safe place at a hot meal.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
But I'm getting confused.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I really don't know anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Wow, do you think I always say that I cannot
date a man that doesn't like his mother. I'm on
because I am kind of like a not not that
I want to mother a man, but I'm like, I'm
like a mother. That's what I want to call it
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natural nurturers. But I have found that if I run
up against a guy and he don't like his mother, baby,
I'm not for you.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I'm second Eddy was it?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
This is the podcast Conversation Patty and the Millennials, and
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We say broker or mavin or yeah, Well she does
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che Larenn is here and we're talking about what do
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black men want? I'm not talking about every black man,
but when you think about the election, I don't understand
some of these who are so against Kamala Harris and
their reasonings. What is it that black men want?
Speaker 9 (07:56):
I'm glad you specify what type of answer you wanted. Yea,
I was about to dig in a rabbit hole when
you said what do black men want?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 9 (08:04):
They want everything? Okay, but let's move to the to
the question. I think that black men, when it comes
to the election and just voting in general, I just
feel like they aren't sold on Kamala because of her history, right,
and her history with prisons, and and sort of not
looking out for them, if you will, even if it
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wasn't their experience, it's been their cousin's experience or their
brother's experience, and so they sort of take up the
cross for the black men in their lives where they
feel like she didn't really support them when she was
what was she the district attorney in California. So I
think that that's why they largely have not supported her
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in this election.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Okay, getting two relationships is how much time we got
home on my way to the divorce court.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
You may not want to talk to me about relationships
right down.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, I mean looking for the perfect woman. They just
they just want every woman. They just want every woman.
That's the it's for me.
Speaker 9 (09:07):
I believe that women, if I had to talk to
the ladies really quick, we've low at the bar and
in the sense that we've accepted so much that it's
sort of given them permission to continue to treat us
like we've been treated. And when I talk about accepting much,
I mean like women are okay being with the being
the side check or being the second right. So the
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more we allow ourselves to be second. There's no reason
for a man to make anyone first when they can
have seconds and thirds and force and fifth helpings of everything.
You get one, and you get one, and you get one.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's how That's how it feels.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
What do black men want? We've got our lean founder
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the podcast Patty and the Millennial Arlene. What do black
men want? I see the disregard for our Vice President
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Kamala Harris running for office. And I'm not saying all
when I'm trying to make this all thing, but it
was like, well, what are you guys looking for? What
is the problem? You know when you look at relationships
or just things, what is it that black men want?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
You know?
Speaker 7 (10:30):
That's such an interesting question coming from me, which I
am raising black men in this day and time. It
is so hard to tell what black men want. You
have so many variations of black men that you can't
really pinpoint what they're looking for. You have some looking
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for what they see on Instagram. You have some looking
for a good Christian woman, you know that's wholesome. I
have some looking for ones that's willing to do whatever
they need them to do at that time. It's so
many different variations it's hard to pinpoint. But when you
find a black man that suited for you, work with
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them to see if it's going to make it worth
your while.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
We got decks joining us. Dexter, Stucky. What do black
men want? Now? We're not talking about all black men,
but those who they have a problem with a Kamala Harris,
our vice president, running for president, and their reasonings for
not wanting to vote for her. For those who are
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so fixated on the images they see on Instagram, not
realizing dude, that's not real life. That's not real Dexter.
From a man's perspective today, when you go out to
eat or just meeting a person, I know you're out
of the dating world. But when you hear the expectations
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of he got to make a hundred thousand dollars and
he got to do this, he has to have his
own and your thoughts, I think.
Speaker 10 (12:17):
Like what you just said is exactly it.
Speaker 11 (12:19):
Like that's the problem, and I know, like black men
are not a monolith, like we're all different. But I
do think that there's this this thing with black men
where they require individuality, and I think that like black
men are probably probably one of the only groups that
don't get that. Like people don't say, like what do
black women want? What some black men to say that,
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what do.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Black women want?
Speaker 11 (12:41):
But like usually when they come to like let's say
an election or something like that, people would say, they
look at the pole numbers and they would say, as
a whole, white men did this.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Black women saved us.
Speaker 11 (12:51):
White women did this. But like with black men, it's
like black men are all over the place, like we're
just it's hard to say what we want because I
genuinely do not know. And I have friends and family
members that I'm looking at.
Speaker 10 (13:02):
It, like what do you want it? I don't get it,
Like are you do you just say.
Speaker 11 (13:07):
Things just to say them?
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Do you believe what you say?
Speaker 11 (13:10):
Like a lot of black men really just I don't know.
I think they just want to be different.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I guess we're gonna turn our attention to gen Z's.
Oh we've got rescreen here, get ready graduate from Saint
John's College. This is not a monolith. And I'm not
referring to all black men, but what do black men want?
I'm looking at the election that's coming up, and you know,
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opinions all over the place, some of these rappers talking crazy,
and then just hearing what men some men seek in
relationships or a woman, and you can't look on Instagram
because of social media because that's that's not real, Reees.
What do black men want?
Speaker 10 (14:01):
I will say that this black man just really wants
the love and the affection, especially when it comes to
mental health. I think one thing that we don't talk
enough about in the black men's community is our mental health.
A lot of black men go undiagnosed when it comes
to depression, anxiety, all those things, because being black in
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America is one thing, and then being a black man
in America, every time we step outside, it feels like
a target is on our back. It feels like people
just have so many negative thoughts about us that we
feel that and it hurts us and that people expect us.
Yes we are strong, and yes we carry ourselves well.
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At the end of the day, we really just want
that nurturing, that love, that affection, And then in terms
of the election. We want to feel safe. That's all
that matters right now.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
We just want to.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
Feel safe because it's scary to hear things like Project
twenty twenty five and things like that where it sounds
like a black man even has a bigger target than
we already have on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right now, Lexi is joining us. Her voice is incredible,
not the sound of it, but I love to hear
what she has to say. And Lexi, we are talking
about what do black men want. I look at some
of the discord with some not all. It's not, you know,
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a monolith, and they're kind of hatred towards a Kamala Harris,
our vice president who's running for president. Men and what
they're seeking and what I guess they will put up
with in relationship, men's treatment of women. Some not all
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that think it's okay to just treat a woman and
discard her. What do you think that some black men want?
Speaker 12 (15:58):
I think some of the things that you even mention
let me know of some of the things they need
to But I'm gonna start with what they want. I
think they want to be understood. I think they want
to be given space to be vulnerable. I think they
want to be able to provide for their families, whatever
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their family dynamic may look like. And I think they
want to be respected. So I think in terms of
even some of what black men need is to give
themselves the opportunity to seek out some of those resources.
Because when you listen to the responses to black men
toward black women or towards certain issues, you can tell
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they're coming from a place of trauma and a place
of hurt. So while we understand you need to be heard,
we want to create spaces where you can be vulnerable.
We know you want to be respected, we also have
to encourage them to take the initiative to work on
those things too.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Sex Doctor Heather is here, and not to group all
men together, all black men together, but Doc, we're talking
about what black men want from a sexual perspective. You know,
in your dealings or people that you see. Is it understanding,
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is it more caring? Is it images that they see
maybe through porn or social media, which is kind of
like unrealistic. Do you think black men need more understanding?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Oh my gosh, I love this question, Patty, because it
continues along the lines of how you think, right, So
I love getting these questions because it's very important that
we know what black men want if you're dating a
black man, if you have a son as a black man,
meaning like, because sexual intimacy and intimacy can be very different,
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because you can have intimacy with your family too. That's
not sexual, of course, but speaking along the lines of
sexual intimacy and what black men want sexually, You're right,
I can't. I don't know what every black man wants. However,
I do see a number of black men. I know
a lot of black men, right, and the number one
thing is communication. They want to be communicated to and respected. Honestly,
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I think I would go with respect as number one
because if the world doesn't respect black men, how do
they think? How do you think people look at black
men just in general? Right, So, if you're dating one
and you're intimate with one, respect, I think is the
number one thing black men want in their relationship, in
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their partnership. They want to be heard, they want to
be respected, they want to they want their feelings to
be like respected, because how many people are expressing their feelings. Honestly, Patty,
you're right for fear of stigma, you know, so, if
I'm a black man, and I'm expressing my feelings to
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my partner in a vulnerable way.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You know, do they feel safe?
Speaker 7 (19:11):
No, some people don't.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I've actually talked about this with people black men, and
They're like, I don't feel safe enough to have my
feelings heard and be considered in my partnership, so I
don't even express them. So I'm gonna say respect and
reciprocation and safety.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Comedian Derek Lee is joining us. He is a comedian,
a very funny guy. Hey, how you doing, I'm good.
What do black men want Black.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
Men want in a relationship or want in a wife relationship?
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Wife? Let's let's let's start with the wife. But with
the wife.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
You want intelligence, you want us sexy, you want attractive,
you want beautiful, you want support, you want them to
be supportive. But what's so messed up now is people
think people that don't have husbands think, well, I don't
have husbands.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
And I went to college and I have a degree.
That doesn't make you a wife. We want beauty, intelligence, support.
Speaker 13 (20:18):
And I hate to go old fashioned and say, no
man wants to come over your house and your house
is filthy, and no man wants to be bothered with
a woman.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
They can't cook. Well, I make good money, and.
Speaker 13 (20:29):
I got my own car, and I pay my own bills,
and I got my own place.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And I said, yeah, you just describe a man. That's
what men do. You didn't say anything feminine. Can you cook?
Can you clean?
Speaker 13 (20:41):
Are you attractive? Are you're pretty? Are you supportive? We
don't want you to lead, We want you to be
the support. But the problem is the game is all
messed up.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Too many women have masculine traits.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
I love them, but they don't know they have masking face.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
The first relationship with your girl has it's with her father.
And when that isn't right, a lot of times the
girl ain't wife material.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, but a lot of times, you know, you could
say with men, I cannot date a man or be
with a man if they've had a bad relationship with
their mother, because you don't won't won't get me that.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
Yes, that does happen. But you asked us what we
want in a woman. See a lot of girls. The
problem is now we don't know the difference between the
the wife material and the side chick or the jawn.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Because everybody looks alike. You can't tell them a partner.
No more. Everybody looks the same as you by the
way they look.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
When you say, look.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Okay.
Speaker 14 (21:55):
For example, years ago, when when you brought a certain
a home for your mother, your mother can always spot
the girl that was fast.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Remember that the mother used to say, when you bring
her around my house, she fast. They don't even use
that term. No more.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
I don't like her.
Speaker 10 (22:12):
She fast.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
But nowadays everybody looks the same. Nobody knows you. We
don't know the difference between the nice girls. You can't
spot them like if Ike used to. There's too many
women that's angry.
Speaker 13 (22:26):
And please don't contact Patty and say who was that
God that this is my experience.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
What we all experience is our truth. So you can't.
Don't call me a liar. Don't say it's not true.
Speaker 13 (22:37):
Women tell me all the time Derek Lee, white men try.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Harder, and I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 13 (22:43):
I go out with them, they try harder, they're they're
more of a gentleman. They tell me about their house,
their promotion, what they're going to do in five years.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
And I go out with black men. They're trying to
hit it that night, and I can't call them a liar.
I can't say I don't.
Speaker 13 (22:58):
Know what they're dealing with. This is their true, So
you just be quiet and listen.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
When we tell women our truth, they call us liars.
I don't know what kind of black women you know?
That ain't true?
Speaker 13 (23:11):
And then I say, why are you bisexual? No, I'm
not bisexual. Okay, well we're telling you about you. You've
never dated women. This is what we deal with. I
don't want you driving well, I got my own car.
Don't remind me that you make more than me.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Okay, you make one thirty and I make a hundred.
You ain't got to remind me you make more than me.
Why are you so masculine? I could tell you I could.
Speaker 13 (23:34):
Do everything by myself. But that's why we don't want you.
We don't want to be We want to.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Be useful and not useless.
Speaker 13 (23:41):
As soon as a woman acts like she don't want us,
we don't want to do nothing for them. Why would
I want to marry you if you got your own this,
You've got your own dad, and you don't need me
for nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You act like a.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Man who you are speaking your mind from a political
from a political side, What do you think that black
men want. There's so many who have a problem with
the Kamala Harris, our vice president.
Speaker 13 (24:06):
Well, well they're gonna have to get out the dark
ages and go go back to the stone agents.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
The world is changing.
Speaker 13 (24:12):
Okay, you're you're gonna have to support Cherrell. You're gonna
have to support Kamala. They're not going nowhere.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
It's gonna get even more. There's gonna be more women
in charge. There's gonna be more women in control. I
don't have a problem with it because I'm whole in myself.
But there are some men.
Speaker 13 (24:27):
They don't want a woman supervisor, let alone a woman president,
let alone of women mayor and and and it's stuff
that they have to deal with. They got issues within themselves.
There are people that sit back and get your job
and say, oh, I hope she.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Don't get that manager job.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
Why I just don't want a woman, Oh, a woman
in charge?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Or deal with it.
Speaker 13 (24:48):
They're gonna have to come up to dark ages and
just be men. You want the best person for the job.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
This is the podcast conversation Patty and the Millennials and
Patty Jackson. We've got representing millennials because we have a
mixture here gen Z, millennials, gen X, I'm the baby boomer.
What do black men want? Dasia is here? I am
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a little discouraged when I hear not that rappers influence me,
but the way they come out against Kamala Harris, And
it was like, yeah, is it too much fixation on
women's social media expectations? Like it's like, what do y'all want?
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And not all black men? I want to say that,
not all black men. But what do you think is
it understanding?
Speaker 15 (25:46):
I don't know a lot.
Speaker 16 (25:47):
I think that it's hard to deciffer with a man
of wants because men don't know what they want themselves.
They don't know, so at some point they like a
woman who is smart and ambitious and whatever, until you're
too much over them. Is that they want to go
back to women who are, like, you know, less than them.
Some guys like to be women who they feel like
are less than them because it makes them feel better
as opposed to being with the woman who is ambitious.
But on paper, they make it seem like they want
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that they want a hard working business woman. They don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Do you think in cases of it could be a
hard working business woman I've seen instances where women will
hold there well I've got.
Speaker 16 (26:22):
This, yes, Like, so you have to make them feel
more superior in some aspect, and I that's a compromise
a woman has to be willing to make, Like are
you willing to make this man feel smarter? Sometimes? To
make him feel better? Because I think they all got
through their ego. Yes, And it's like and whatever it
strokes their ego the most, they're gonna go to where
that their ego is strogged, where they feel more powerful.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
At what do black men want? Not that black men
are a mama left, No they're not. But when you
see the comments about our vice president coming from black
men and it's like, y'all don't like your mama in relationships?
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Why is there a struggle sometime if a woman is successful,
not saying all black men jack? The divinity is into building.
LaToya Charleston, your thoughts, What do you think black men want?
Speaker 15 (27:21):
I really think Okay, I don't want to go on
the angle of what they really want because honestly I'm
not a black man, but so I don't know. But
when it comes to this, I would say, you know,
the money thing makes a lot. I feel like a
lot of black men, they think that is what that
they want, and then they get it like some a
woman who's out there as an earner and this and that,
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and then they might be shocked when it breeds insecurities
in them. So I want to focus on the insecurities.
I understand what they're insecurities because the wealth gap has
been such a far stretch in between that Black men
are not used to acquire or they haven't caught up
yet to require a certain and level of wealth. So
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a lot of times that paired in with their women
and a lot of times black women, if they're with
the black women, we're making more than a lot of
the black men are. So there is insecurity within that,
and a lot of times it comes out as aggressive.
It comes out as you know, insults to the woman,
this and that. But this is what you said that
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you want it, So maybe you need to go back
and reacclimate what it is that you really want.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Do you think more understanding? It's hard. It's hard for
black men, it really is. Don't make one mistake, They're
going to keep bringing it up. Yes, So I think
a lot of understanding and a lot of black men
are dealing with trauma.
Speaker 15 (28:48):
True and heal trauma, and they don't even want to
look at the trauma or address it. And just I
mean forever. And I'll say this all the time. With
all the ups and downs you listen to this podcast world,
it feels like it's so much dissension between the two.
But I will stand and die on this hill. I
love black men, and I will always love you, and
I will always root for you. I just want black
(29:10):
men to feel the same way about us. And be okay,
be content with your woman coming in if she got
a step up to the plate, and handle it from
time to time. It doesn't mean it's less when you
as a man, it is okay.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Just be great than yourself black man. Yes, because we do.
We love Yeah, you know I have a son. You
know when you just look at the dynamics. We love you,
yes and want to support you. Yes, we do. Let
us do it. This was Oh, this this was an
interesting podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. You
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Whether it's life, relationships, politics, or current events, nothing is
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is the podcast conversation Patty and the Millennials. I'm
Patty Jackson. I'm a radio vet in Philadelphia and i
am a baby boomer. Conversation is important. So I've gathered
up millennials and Gen X and we're reaching down to
the Gen zs. But conversation is a month, is a
must and we talk about everything. Legendary broadcaster Uncle Oh
(00:40):
is joining us. And the question that I have, and
this is not a monolith, but what do you think
that black men want? Is it a better understanding? I'm
scratching my head. Not the rappers influence my opinion. The
rappers that just had these hateful, mean things to say
(01:03):
about our Vice President Kamala Harris, and it's like, damn,
who hurt you?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And you just hear this, like, well what do y'all want?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well? What the problem with black men?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
And Kamala Harris is her her career as an Attorney
general and when she was the attorneyjoh I'm sorry, prosecutor.
When she was a prosecutor in LA she was known
for jailing black men, and she was known for jailing black.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Men and then using them their labor.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Well, she didn't do it herself, but under her watch,
black men were being used as the slave labor, so
to speak.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
But what they what they aren't.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
The problem is Kamala Harris didn't get the message out
that that's not what That wasn't under her or watch,
or it was under her watch, but it wasn't her fault,
and she didn't she didn't tell people that once she
found out what was going on, she put a stop
to it.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
She did not know what was happening.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, messaging is important in relationships, is it? Understanding?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I think understanding is just it's just a big part.
Because mental health also plays a part because for many
men to be a black man, it's hard in America.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Mhm, Well, black men aren't getting help for things the
way women are.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Period. So for instance, you know, when you go through.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
A breakup that's traumatic, we're not dealing with the trauma.
We're not dealing with being feeling feeling disenfranchised. You know,
I think a lot of people, a lot of black
men are running the trump because they feel as though
they were given something but not understanding that they it
(03:10):
had to happen, and everyone was given something so at
the time it was it was needed, but not at
this time, it's not gonna happen. And people just aren't
getting help for the things that go on with them.
If you're in a relationship and you bring and you
got a woman broke up with you, then you need
to go get some help for that. And ment people
aren't just getting help, not just black men, just men period.
(03:32):
Men aren't getting help for the traumas that are hitting
them in their lives.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
What about the woman who says they have list some women,
he's gotta be over five nine, he's gotta make one
hundred thousand dollars a year. He's gotta, he's gotta, he's gotta.
Do you think some women have unrealistic expectations and they
(03:59):
don't know how to recognize a good man.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
That's the other thing, right, Men feel like men don't
feel like relationships are relationships anymore. Men feel like relationships
are transactions, and so men aren't interested.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Men really are interested in love.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Women are interested in transactions men don't care about you.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Know, a man will take a woman.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
With uh with nothing and build her up, but a
woman won't take a man with nothing and build him.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Well, not all women.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I know women that have done that.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
But it's more men that will take a woman and
build her up than there are men that will do
the same. I mean women are do the same, and
women will price themselves out of sensual relationships because of what.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
They're asking for.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
There's nothing wrong with asking for what you want, but
be realistic about your expectations and don't complain that you're single.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Oh there's not enough aligible men. There are, it's just you.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
You've told old men that he has to have the A,
B and C in order to be with you.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
And because he's missing me, he's even attempting to look
at you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This is the podcast conversation Patty and the Millennials. Thanks
for joining us. Desi Niel is here and DESI, what
do black men want?
Speaker 6 (05:20):
What is?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And I'm not talking about all black men right right,
but what do you think that black men want? I'm
talking about politics. Is so disheartening to see. Well, rappers
don't influence me, but if they come out against a
vice president Kamala Harris? What do they want in relationships?
(05:44):
Are some expectations too unrealistic? What do you think black
men want? You know what, Auntie, I'll be honest.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I really thought I knew, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I'm a listener.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I have been listening.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
Listen to my brother's face to face, I listen online,
I listen to talks, and I really.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Thought I knew.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
But just when I think I know, the terrain of
the black man changes. I understand because of the emotional oppression,
the physical oppression, you know what I mean, the emasculation.
So I understand that you know, a cage animal, whether
physically or emotionally.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Once it's free, will run all around. So then now
all these changes.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
Are taking place because our men are running around trying
to figure out. But the staples that I know are respect.
The staples that I know are love unconditionally. The staples
that I know are a safe place at a hot meal.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
But I'm getting confused.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I really don't know anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Wow, do you think I always say that I cannot
date a man that doesn't like his mother. I'm on
because I am kind of like a not not that
I want to mother a man, but I'm like, I'm
like a mother. That's what I want to call it
(07:04):
natural nurturers. But I have found that if I run
up against a guy and he don't like his mother, baby,
I'm not for you.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
I'm second Eddy was it?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
This is the podcast Conversation Patty and the Millennials, and
I love guests, and I love this woman broadcaster real estate.
We say broker or mavin or yeah, Well she does
everything and she looks fabulous while she does it. Most
che Larenn is here and we're talking about what do
(07:38):
black men want? I'm not talking about every black man,
but when you think about the election, I don't understand
some of these who are so against Kamala Harris and
their reasonings. What is it that black men want?
Speaker 9 (07:56):
I'm glad you specify what type of answer you wanted. Yea,
I was about to dig in a rabbit hole when
you said what do black men want?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 9 (08:04):
They want everything? Okay, but let's move to the to
the question. I think that black men, when it comes
to the election and just voting in general, I just
feel like they aren't sold on Kamala because of her history, right,
and her history with prisons, and and sort of not
looking out for them, if you will, even if it
(08:24):
wasn't their experience, it's been their cousin's experience or their
brother's experience, and so they sort of take up the
cross for the black men in their lives where they
feel like she didn't really support them when she was
what was she the district attorney in California. So I
think that that's why they largely have not supported her
(08:45):
in this election.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Okay, getting two relationships is how much time we got
home on my way to the divorce court.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
You may not want to talk to me about relationships
right down.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, I mean looking for the perfect woman. They just
they just want every woman. They just want every woman.
That's the it's for me.
Speaker 9 (09:07):
I believe that women, if I had to talk to
the ladies really quick, we've low at the bar and
in the sense that we've accepted so much that it's
sort of given them permission to continue to treat us
like we've been treated. And when I talk about accepting much,
I mean like women are okay being with the being
the side check or being the second right. So the
(09:27):
more we allow ourselves to be second. There's no reason
for a man to make anyone first when they can
have seconds and thirds and force and fifth helpings of everything.
You get one, and you get one, and you get one.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's how That's how it feels.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
What do black men want? We've got our lean founder
Glassy Brown Cookies, soon to be moving to camp in
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But she makes some great cookies. She is joining us
the podcast Patty and the Millennial Arlene. What do black
men want? I see the disregard for our Vice President
(10:07):
Kamala Harris running for office. And I'm not saying all
when I'm trying to make this all thing, but it
was like, well, what are you guys looking for? What
is the problem? You know when you look at relationships
or just things, what is it that black men want?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
You know?
Speaker 7 (10:30):
That's such an interesting question coming from me, which I
am raising black men in this day and time. It
is so hard to tell what black men want. You
have so many variations of black men that you can't
really pinpoint what they're looking for. You have some looking
(10:50):
for what they see on Instagram. You have some looking
for a good Christian woman, you know that's wholesome. I
have some looking for ones that's willing to do whatever
they need them to do at that time. It's so
many different variations it's hard to pinpoint. But when you
find a black man that suited for you, work with
(11:15):
them to see if it's going to make it worth
your while.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
We got decks joining us. Dexter, Stucky. What do black
men want? Now? We're not talking about all black men,
but those who they have a problem with a Kamala Harris,
our vice president, running for president, and their reasonings for
not wanting to vote for her. For those who are
(11:44):
so fixated on the images they see on Instagram, not
realizing dude, that's not real life. That's not real Dexter.
From a man's perspective today, when you go out to
eat or just meeting a person, I know you're out
of the dating world. But when you hear the expectations
(12:06):
of he got to make a hundred thousand dollars and
he got to do this, he has to have his
own and your thoughts, I think.
Speaker 10 (12:17):
Like what you just said is exactly it.
Speaker 11 (12:19):
Like that's the problem, and I know, like black men
are not a monolith, like we're all different. But I
do think that there's this this thing with black men
where they require individuality, and I think that like black
men are probably probably one of the only groups that
don't get that. Like people don't say, like what do
black women want? What some black men to say that,
(12:40):
what do.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Black women want?
Speaker 11 (12:41):
But like usually when they come to like let's say
an election or something like that, people would say, they
look at the pole numbers and they would say, as
a whole, white men did this.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Black women saved us.
Speaker 11 (12:51):
White women did this. But like with black men, it's
like black men are all over the place, like we're
just it's hard to say what we want because I
genuinely do not know. And I have friends and family
members that I'm looking at.
Speaker 10 (13:02):
It, like what do you want it? I don't get it,
Like are you do you just say.
Speaker 11 (13:07):
Things just to say them?
Speaker 6 (13:08):
Do you believe what you say?
Speaker 11 (13:10):
Like a lot of black men really just I don't know.
I think they just want to be different.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I guess we're gonna turn our attention to gen Z's.
Oh we've got rescreen here, get ready graduate from Saint
John's College. This is not a monolith. And I'm not
referring to all black men, but what do black men want?
I'm looking at the election that's coming up, and you know,
(13:39):
opinions all over the place, some of these rappers talking crazy,
and then just hearing what men some men seek in
relationships or a woman, and you can't look on Instagram
because of social media because that's that's not real, Reees.
What do black men want?
Speaker 10 (14:01):
I will say that this black man just really wants
the love and the affection, especially when it comes to
mental health. I think one thing that we don't talk
enough about in the black men's community is our mental health.
A lot of black men go undiagnosed when it comes
to depression, anxiety, all those things, because being black in
(14:22):
America is one thing, and then being a black man
in America, every time we step outside, it feels like
a target is on our back. It feels like people
just have so many negative thoughts about us that we
feel that and it hurts us and that people expect us.
Yes we are strong, and yes we carry ourselves well.
(14:42):
At the end of the day, we really just want
that nurturing, that love, that affection, And then in terms
of the election. We want to feel safe. That's all
that matters right now.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
We just want to.
Speaker 10 (14:53):
Feel safe because it's scary to hear things like Project
twenty twenty five and things like that where it sounds
like a black man even has a bigger target than
we already have on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right now, Lexi is joining us. Her voice is incredible,
not the sound of it, but I love to hear
what she has to say. And Lexi, we are talking
about what do black men want. I look at some
of the discord with some not all. It's not, you know,
(15:26):
a monolith, and they're kind of hatred towards a Kamala Harris,
our vice president who's running for president. Men and what
they're seeking and what I guess they will put up
with in relationship, men's treatment of women. Some not all
(15:49):
that think it's okay to just treat a woman and
discard her. What do you think that some black men want?
Speaker 12 (15:58):
I think some of the things that you even mention
let me know of some of the things they need
to But I'm gonna start with what they want. I
think they want to be understood. I think they want
to be given space to be vulnerable. I think they
want to be able to provide for their families, whatever
(16:19):
their family dynamic may look like. And I think they
want to be respected. So I think in terms of
even some of what black men need is to give
themselves the opportunity to seek out some of those resources.
Because when you listen to the responses to black men
toward black women or towards certain issues, you can tell
(16:41):
they're coming from a place of trauma and a place
of hurt. So while we understand you need to be heard,
we want to create spaces where you can be vulnerable.
We know you want to be respected, we also have
to encourage them to take the initiative to work on
those things too.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Sex Doctor Heather is here, and not to group all
men together, all black men together, but Doc, we're talking
about what black men want from a sexual perspective. You know,
in your dealings or people that you see. Is it understanding,
(17:18):
is it more caring? Is it images that they see
maybe through porn or social media, which is kind of
like unrealistic. Do you think black men need more understanding?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Oh my gosh, I love this question, Patty, because it
continues along the lines of how you think, right, So
I love getting these questions because it's very important that
we know what black men want if you're dating a
black man, if you have a son as a black man,
meaning like, because sexual intimacy and intimacy can be very different,
(17:58):
because you can have intimacy with your family too. That's
not sexual, of course, but speaking along the lines of
sexual intimacy and what black men want sexually, You're right,
I can't. I don't know what every black man wants. However,
I do see a number of black men. I know
a lot of black men, right, and the number one
thing is communication. They want to be communicated to and respected. Honestly,
(18:23):
I think I would go with respect as number one
because if the world doesn't respect black men, how do
they think? How do you think people look at black
men just in general? Right, So, if you're dating one
and you're intimate with one, respect, I think is the
number one thing black men want in their relationship, in
(18:44):
their partnership. They want to be heard, they want to
be respected, they want to they want their feelings to
be like respected, because how many people are expressing their feelings. Honestly, Patty,
you're right for fear of stigma, you know, so, if
I'm a black man, and I'm expressing my feelings to
(19:06):
my partner in a vulnerable way.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You know, do they feel safe?
Speaker 7 (19:11):
No, some people don't.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I've actually talked about this with people black men, and
They're like, I don't feel safe enough to have my
feelings heard and be considered in my partnership, so I
don't even express them. So I'm gonna say respect and
reciprocation and safety.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Comedian Derek Lee is joining us. He is a comedian,
a very funny guy. Hey, how you doing, I'm good.
What do black men want Black.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
Men want in a relationship or want in a wife relationship?
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Wife? Let's let's let's start with the wife. But with
the wife.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
You want intelligence, you want us sexy, you want attractive,
you want beautiful, you want support, you want them to
be supportive. But what's so messed up now is people
think people that don't have husbands think, well, I don't
have husbands.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
And I went to college and I have a degree.
That doesn't make you a wife. We want beauty, intelligence, support.
Speaker 13 (20:18):
And I hate to go old fashioned and say, no
man wants to come over your house and your house
is filthy, and no man wants to be bothered with
a woman.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
They can't cook. Well, I make good money, and.
Speaker 13 (20:29):
I got my own car, and I pay my own bills,
and I got my own place.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And I said, yeah, you just describe a man. That's
what men do. You didn't say anything feminine. Can you cook?
Can you clean?
Speaker 13 (20:41):
Are you attractive? Are you're pretty? Are you supportive? We
don't want you to lead, We want you to be
the support. But the problem is the game is all
messed up.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Too many women have masculine traits.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
I love them, but they don't know they have masking face.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
The first relationship with your girl has it's with her father.
And when that isn't right, a lot of times the
girl ain't wife material.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, but a lot of times, you know, you could
say with men, I cannot date a man or be
with a man if they've had a bad relationship with
their mother, because you don't won't won't get me that.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
Yes, that does happen. But you asked us what we
want in a woman. See a lot of girls. The
problem is now we don't know the difference between the
the wife material and the side chick or the jawn.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Because everybody looks alike. You can't tell them a partner.
No more. Everybody looks the same as you by the
way they look.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
When you say, look.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Okay.
Speaker 14 (21:55):
For example, years ago, when when you brought a certain
a home for your mother, your mother can always spot
the girl that was fast.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Remember that the mother used to say, when you bring
her around my house, she fast. They don't even use
that term. No more.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
I don't like her.
Speaker 10 (22:12):
She fast.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
But nowadays everybody looks the same. Nobody knows you. We
don't know the difference between the nice girls. You can't
spot them like if Ike used to. There's too many
women that's angry.
Speaker 13 (22:26):
And please don't contact Patty and say who was that
God that this is my experience.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
What we all experience is our truth. So you can't.
Don't call me a liar. Don't say it's not true.
Speaker 13 (22:37):
Women tell me all the time Derek Lee, white men try.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Harder, and I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 13 (22:43):
I go out with them, they try harder, they're they're
more of a gentleman. They tell me about their house,
their promotion, what they're going to do in five years.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
And I go out with black men. They're trying to
hit it that night, and I can't call them a liar.
I can't say I don't.
Speaker 13 (22:58):
Know what they're dealing with. This is their true, So
you just be quiet and listen.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
When we tell women our truth, they call us liars.
I don't know what kind of black women you know?
That ain't true?
Speaker 13 (23:11):
And then I say, why are you bisexual? No, I'm
not bisexual. Okay, well we're telling you about you. You've
never dated women. This is what we deal with. I
don't want you driving well, I got my own car.
Don't remind me that you make more than me.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Okay, you make one thirty and I make a hundred.
You ain't got to remind me you make more than me.
Why are you so masculine? I could tell you I could.
Speaker 13 (23:34):
Do everything by myself. But that's why we don't want you.
We don't want to be We want to.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Be useful and not useless.
Speaker 13 (23:41):
As soon as a woman acts like she don't want us,
we don't want to do nothing for them. Why would
I want to marry you if you got your own this,
You've got your own dad, and you don't need me
for nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
You act like a.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Man who you are speaking your mind from a political
from a political side, What do you think that black
men want. There's so many who have a problem with
the Kamala Harris, our vice president.
Speaker 13 (24:06):
Well, well they're gonna have to get out the dark
ages and go go back to the stone agents.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
The world is changing.
Speaker 13 (24:12):
Okay, you're you're gonna have to support Cherrell. You're gonna
have to support Kamala. They're not going nowhere.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
It's gonna get even more. There's gonna be more women
in charge. There's gonna be more women in control. I
don't have a problem with it because I'm whole in myself.
But there are some men.
Speaker 13 (24:27):
They don't want a woman supervisor, let alone a woman president,
let alone of women mayor and and and it's stuff
that they have to deal with. They got issues within themselves.
There are people that sit back and get your job
and say, oh, I hope she.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Don't get that manager job.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
Why I just don't want a woman, Oh, a woman
in charge?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Or deal with it.
Speaker 13 (24:48):
They're gonna have to come up to dark ages and
just be men. You want the best person for the job.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
This is the podcast conversation Patty and the Millennials and
Patty Jackson. We've got representing millennials because we have a
mixture here gen Z, millennials, gen X, I'm the baby boomer.
What do black men want? Dasia is here? I am
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a little discouraged when I hear not that rappers influence me,
but the way they come out against Kamala Harris, And
it was like, yeah, is it too much fixation on
women's social media expectations? Like it's like, what do y'all want?
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And not all black men? I want to say that,
not all black men. But what do you think is
it understanding?
Speaker 15 (25:46):
I don't know a lot.
Speaker 16 (25:47):
I think that it's hard to deciffer with a man
of wants because men don't know what they want themselves.
They don't know, so at some point they like a
woman who is smart and ambitious and whatever, until you're
too much over them. Is that they want to go
back to women who are, like, you know, less than them.
Some guys like to be women who they feel like
are less than them because it makes them feel better
as opposed to being with the woman who is ambitious.
But on paper, they make it seem like they want
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that they want a hard working business woman. They don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Do you think in cases of it could be a
hard working business woman I've seen instances where women will
hold there well I've got.
Speaker 16 (26:22):
This, yes, Like, so you have to make them feel
more superior in some aspect, and I that's a compromise
a woman has to be willing to make, Like are
you willing to make this man feel smarter? Sometimes? To
make him feel better? Because I think they all got
through their ego. Yes, And it's like and whatever it
strokes their ego the most, they're gonna go to where
that their ego is strogged, where they feel more powerful.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
At what do black men want? Not that black men
are a mama left, No they're not. But when you
see the comments about our vice president coming from black
men and it's like, y'all don't like your mama in relationships?
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Why is there a struggle sometime if a woman is successful,
not saying all black men jack? The divinity is into building.
LaToya Charleston, your thoughts, What do you think black men want?
Speaker 15 (27:21):
I really think Okay, I don't want to go on
the angle of what they really want because honestly I'm
not a black man, but so I don't know. But
when it comes to this, I would say, you know,
the money thing makes a lot. I feel like a
lot of black men, they think that is what that
they want, and then they get it like some a
woman who's out there as an earner and this and that,
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and then they might be shocked when it breeds insecurities
in them. So I want to focus on the insecurities.
I understand what they're insecurities because the wealth gap has
been such a far stretch in between that Black men
are not used to acquire or they haven't caught up
yet to require a certain and level of wealth. So
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a lot of times that paired in with their women
and a lot of times black women, if they're with
the black women, we're making more than a lot of
the black men are. So there is insecurity within that,
and a lot of times it comes out as aggressive.
It comes out as you know, insults to the woman,
this and that. But this is what you said that
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you want it, So maybe you need to go back
and reacclimate what it is that you really want.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Do you think more understanding? It's hard. It's hard for
black men, it really is. Don't make one mistake, They're
going to keep bringing it up. Yes, So I think
a lot of understanding and a lot of black men
are dealing with trauma.
Speaker 15 (28:48):
True and heal trauma, and they don't even want to
look at the trauma or address it. And just I
mean forever. And I'll say this all the time. With
all the ups and downs you listen to this podcast world,
it feels like it's so much dissension between the two.
But I will stand and die on this hill. I
love black men, and I will always love you, and
I will always root for you. I just want black
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men to feel the same way about us. And be okay,
be content with your woman coming in if she got
a step up to the plate, and handle it from
time to time. It doesn't mean it's less when you
as a man, it is okay.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Just be great than yourself black man. Yes, because we do.
We love Yeah, you know I have a son. You
know when you just look at the dynamics. We love you,
yes and want to support you. Yes, we do. Let
us do it. This was Oh, this this was an
interesting podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. You
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podcast Guess I'm Patty Jackson, thanks for joining us for
the conversation, the podcast Patty and the Millennials
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