March 12, 2025 • 15 mins
Behind the "fashion seams and music scenes" Dolly Parton lived alongside the love of her life, husband Carl Dean, for 60 years. He recently passed away at the age of 82. Their love story began when he was the first man she met when moving to Nashville from the Smoky Mountains searching for stardom at age 18. Lorianne and Charlie take us back to just one of their iconic interviews with Dolly as she reveals her inspiring life philosophies...AND her surprising biggest insecurity.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody, Welcome to Crook and Chase Nashville. Chat's Charlie
and Lorienne here, and we sit here today with a
heavy heart for our dear friend Dolly Parton. We've known
Dolly for so long, and oh my goodness to know
that she has lost her husband of sixty years, Carl Dene.
We feel for her because in knowing Dolly Parton, she
(00:21):
was able to express so many things to us on
a personal basis, so we know she has to hurt,
but it also brings out some of the most incredible
creativity that she's been gifted with.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, isn't this just like Dolly Parton? She takes everything
in life, the best of times, the saddest of times,
and she can put her own positive spin on it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
She takes it in stride.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And in fact, Dolly's just released a song that she's
written inspired by her love story with Carl Dene. It's
called if You Hadn't Been There. You can hear her
voice cracking as she has tried. I'm just cracking with
emotion as she's trying to sing this song, and she
posted online Charlie along with her version of this song,
(01:08):
a retro photo of she and Carl Dene early in
their relationship, and she said, like all great love stories,
they never end, they live on in memory and song.
He will always be the star of my life story.
And I dedicate this song to him.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Carldene led a very private life. Their relationship was just
incredibly private to honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
People thought he didn't even exist.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
No, I mean I saw Carl honestly, Lauren, I think
I've seen Carl Deene once in all the years I've
been in Nashville. I's saw once in Brentwood over there,
closer to where they live. And to know that Dolly
has and let me see, I'm trying to figure out
the best way to say this to everybody, Lareen.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It is a tough subject.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, Her ability is genius when it comes to songwriting.
She can take something like you mentioned a moment ago
the mo and with a simple phrase, you know, I
wouldn't be here if you weren't there, right. You think
about how simple that is, but how genius it is
because it relates what's going on in her world, and
we can all.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Relate to Oh my gosh, Charley, you're so right.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So as Dolly faces this very difficult season, of her life.
Charlie and I reminded that, you knowing her for decades,
how she just takes everything on. She just faces life,
the ups and downs, the highs and lows with grays
and always the most positive attitude. So back in twenty
eleven we dug into our archives here. Back in twenty eleven,
(02:37):
the world was in political and economic upheaval, kind of
like now.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Familiar that it is so familiar.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So at that time, Dolly wrote and released an album
titled Better Day, all uplifting songs to focus on a
brighter perspective. That's who Dolly has always been, just a
lightening things are dark. So this conversation from twenty eleven
exemplifies all of that, and it reveals a lot of
things that surprised even Charlie and me. Charlie always had
(03:05):
something to hit you with.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Hit me, Charlie, hitter.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I was reading the morning paper and at the First
Center they're getting ready for a wonderful display of art
and one of them is you the Warhol papers.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Oh that's right, did they have that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Down there they're going to It was listed in the
paper here and that is what year was that?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Eighty f Oh my it was early on, and I'll
tell you a funny story about that.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
If you want to hear it. You love to my manager,
Sandy Gallon.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
At the time, I was working with Sandy and Andy
Warhol wanted to do a picture of me. Oh, Sandy
commissioned him to do a picture of me.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
That's what it was.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
So Sandy wanted it in his apartment cause Andy Warhol
he thought it'd be worth a lot of money someday.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He was very hot at that point.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
He was very hot, and I was too at that time.
Then I went through that slack period where I wasn't
so hot, and Sandy thought that picture didn't mean anything,
so he sold it for a I mean, for almost nothing,
and then all of a sudden, now it's come back
and it's worth all this money.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And Sandy just wants to shoot himself.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Time every time years about how much this picture of
me is worth, because that's what he body for her
to start with.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Did you have to sit still for the photo? H
I mean, I mean for the painting or did they
use the photograph?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Remember? I think I did.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I think he came over to Sandy's apartment in New
York and took some pictures of me. He took his pictures,
and then I remember visiting with I used to you know,
I knew him, and so that's funny.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So here I am in Nashville with Andy Warhol.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Do you know what this prooves?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This proves one thing that Dolly Parton never goes out
of style.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She is always priceless.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yes, but Sandy, Jesus things. I wish I had my
picture back. It's a compliment to me.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So's funny.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We're wild about it, wild about the new album.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I have to know it's doing a new album and
doing all the writing as traumatic for you as it
is for many artists.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Or do you have a stock pile.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Of songs and you just go, Okay, I'll take this,
I'll take this, I'll take that.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Well, I do have a stock pile of songs. In fact,
some of those songs, there's two or three of them
from the Broadway musical ninety five. But they were songs
I always intended to do. Their very positive, uplifting like
shine like the Sun. When these clouds rolled away from
my door, and I was thinking about those songs, I
was thinking about the times when I was thinking about
a new CD, because I love to write sad songs.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I love to sing them. And I thought, but people
really hate to hear me sing sad songs. They know
I sing them good, but they don't want to hear
me do it because they think.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Well, if Dolly's sad, that's just not right somehow, So
I thought, well, why don't I just with the times
being hard, all the weather, all the death station, and
all these doomsday people saying the world's going to end,
I thought, let's just lift them up a little.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So that's where it came from, and I picked some
stuff I had, and then I wrote some new stuff.
There's a few of those.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
There's another really sad one, a broken hearted song. But
all these songs have hope and promised even at the
end when I even the saddest ones, is like, I'm
looking to the future. I'm going to get at them
a find a new way, pick up these pieces and
I might be stronger than I know, and I'm moving on.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know what, it seems like you feel a responsibility
to the world to be that uplifting person.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Do you?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
In a way? I do now I do because people,
just people are always saying to me, just like I
wrote in the song single before last words. People's always
coming up to me and saying, what's your secret?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And I say, I'm not the dolly lama, but I'll
try to give you a few words of advice. You
better get deliver it, so I don't. I'm not happy
all the time, nobody is. I'm a songwriter.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I have to keep my heart so soft. I have
to keep my feelings on my leaves in order to write.
So I hurt worse than anybody, but I have a
good attitude.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, years ago you said something that I don't
know if you still feel the same about.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You said that you didn't particularly like your voice. You're
glad everybody else did.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well. I know my voice is odd. It's like will
Is and Patsy Kline.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
We're stylish, sank snow same way hate I mean urst
tub the same way. You either when you're a weird voice,
a strange voice, you either hate that voice or you
love it.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And I never like to hear myself sing.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Does that mean that the recording process for you it's torture.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No. No, I love to sing, it's just when I
hear it back.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I can't imagine why anybody would think that would be
something they'd want to buy.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
See, we think you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Well, I know I love to sing, and I know
I'm a good singer technically. I know I can express
myself and tell the story. But it's just the sound
of my voice that I think is weird. I just
think it's odd and I don't particularly care for it.
But I don't have to be my biggest fan, do I.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
There you go, Well, we're your biggest fan, right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You mentioned you along with you know, Whalan Willie, all
the stylists. I think that's maybe what may be missing
a little bit in country music. How do you feel
about the way country music has evolved what it is today.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Well, I think there's some wonderful artists. I'm always happy
to see country music being, you know, taken along always
in the future. But what we used to call country music,
you wouldn't hardly recognize it in a lot of the stuff,
but they consider themselves to be country and it's it
is that area of music.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
There goes my air conditions. It's okay, we'll continue. Everybody's
got an air.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Condition Because Charlie sweats when he's around.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I thought the say was this guy has falled. I
thought thatsday thing was. But anyway, what were we saying?
This scared me.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
About country music today?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Oh yeah, I was talking about the artists of today.
There's some great ones, but you're right, I haven't really
heard any true stylists in a long time. They make
great records, great artists, no doubt about that, but they're
just every now and then you'll get one of those
very unique voices that comes along, like the way.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, well, like I say, you either like those voices.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The song the Sacrifice boy, that that really comes from
your heart?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
It does, And I wonder.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I wonder in the song it's obvious that you feel
all the sacrifices you've made working so hard have been
worth it. But I also wonder if there is any
tinge of regret that you've spent so much time on
your career.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, that's a good question. There's a line in the
song like sometimes I wonder in the.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Still airs of night, was it really worth the sacrifice?
But I always come back to the fact that it is.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
It was. It's what I wanted to do. And it's
like that.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Two of my favorite lines was you know I was
going to be rich no matter how much it costs,
and I was going to win no matter how.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Much I lost.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I think that fits anybody that heads out with a dream,
whether it's in the music business or however you're.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Going to make it. But I can't say.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
That I have regrets because I think I regret that
some people might have been hurt or offended by anything
I might have done through the years or misunderstood. But
I think about that sometimes to change one thing about
it could change the whole picture, and we.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Can't have Hey, can I ask you something really important?
Because you know there are some people that say that
being rich and chasing money is should not be the
goal in life.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
However, I have.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
A different view on that that I think you might
feel the same about that when you are blessed enough
to have riches, that you can use more of your
talent and you can help other people in ways you
couldn't before. Is that the way you feel?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yes, I do, and I couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
We all want money, we all need money, and I
won't say that I'm not motivated to some degree.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
But my gift, my art, was my first thing. I
figured if I.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Did good, getting my songs recorded I wouldn't make the money,
and now that I've made the money, it's like you said,
there's so many people that need it. I'm willing to
share it. You try, you can use it for your
good and everybody else's. And I'm not gonna say it
ain't about the money. But I count my blessings before
I count my money.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
There's so many people who look upon you as a
guy somebody they can learn from every new artist that
comes along, female, male, group, whatever. They kind of monitor
what you've done over the years. What is the biggest
lesson Nashville has taught you in business or personal? Either one?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Well, first of all, I love Nashville, And that's a
very good question.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And I'm always flattered and floored by people saying that I've.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Been in inspiration.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
You never know how it's going to happen when you're young,
when you get older, like me, I've lived.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I'm as old as yesterday and as new as tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Because I think sometimes about Porter's dead and so many
of my friends that I worked with, or you are
old and not able to work, and I think, why
did God let me keep going on and trying to
stay with the times.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
But I think I've just learned how to.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Be true to myself, how to love the what Nashville
really stands for, which was country music and just down home,
just home folk and kind of it's been an anchor
to me.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And you know one thing I love and I applaud
you and Mac so much. Country is as country does.
I am so glad to hear somebody celebrating country and.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Not apologizing for it. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm paraphrasing a little bit. It's something to the effect
I am what I am.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
You can kiss you can kiss my hand.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I've heard that phrase just a little bit differently, though.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I have to Mac, and I'm is so funny. We
love to write, Mac David.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
That's the only song in the whole CD that I
co wrote on. But Mac and I get together every
few months or or at least once, you know, a
year or so, to try to write, and we just
are so similar in nature.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
We have such a good time. We laugh, and we
lord the stuff we come up with we could never use.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just kiss my ham your line, well, that's.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
What I was going to say. Max going to say
it's his line. I said, it's mine. We even said
on the phone, I said, everybody's loving that line.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I know you're going to tell your friends you wrote it.
I want to tell Mint I wrote it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
But it's probably one of those things where we both
hit on it trying to rhyme or kiss my you know, so.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't even know. Honestly, don't even know which one
of us came.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Up with it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's a fun song, but is there a seriousness about it?
Because Charlie and I have talked about this for years now.
We want people to quit apologizing for country and to
celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And this song does, yes, it does.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
In fact, this song is so me.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
It's like I can ride first class in a plane,
or if I've got to get somewhere, I don't mind
riding in the back.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I can drink champagne or chocolate milk, I don't care.
It's like a country girl.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
It's like the fact that I've made money and that
I'm supposed to be a star lord. You wouldn't believe
how country I still am and how just like I
have always been, I will always be that And.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It doesn't matter. You wants country, always country.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I just can't imagine you're in the back of the
bus with a carton and chocolate milk on your way
to the wishy washy.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Well, I would do it, That's what I would do.
I would have kool aid, buttermilk and chocolate milk. I
much rather have that than, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Than some of the stuff around. But it's that song
we're indy to celebrates just country successful country girl.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Can you sing with me?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Okay, it's always the same. Yeah we do.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
This is enough for Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The show the sponsored me when I was little.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You beat your key, I'm in the key of r.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Okay, pick up morning paper, weened, he's the street Caswalkers
prices just can't be.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Be Try Blue Plend coffee and you want some more?
Do you go shopping to Caswalkers.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Talk about going back into time?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Okay, okay, But Charlie Chase, how do you.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And Dolly remember the words to that commercial fifty years later?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
First of all, let me just say it took me
to death here going, you know, just loving the memory
of it. When I was growing up in East Tennessee,
Dolly was a teenager appearing on the Kswalker Show. She
was probably fifteen sixteen years old at the point, and
I was in grammar school. So she was on Channel
ten and every morning on wbi R TV in Knoxville, and.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
You had a crush on her.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, yeah, she's pretty. She was very pretty. Yeah, And
she'd be on there several times during the course of
the week. And Kavswalker sponsored a lot of the appearances
that she made. So that's why she remembers that song.
That's a song that the performers on the show always
did during the Kaswalker Farm in home. Oh my gosh,
I remember it well.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
This is such a bittersweet time, all the sadness surrounding
the death of Dolly's husband, Carl Dean, but just the
beautiful and wonderful memories that will always be there.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
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Speaker 2 (15:44):
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and Chase
Hi, everybody, Welcome to Crook and Chase Nashville. Chat's Charlie
and Lorienne here, and we sit here today with a
heavy heart for our dear friend Dolly Parton. We've known
Dolly for so long, and oh my goodness to know
that she has lost her husband of sixty years, Carl Dene.
We feel for her because in knowing Dolly Parton, she
(00:21):
was able to express so many things to us on
a personal basis, so we know she has to hurt,
but it also brings out some of the most incredible
creativity that she's been gifted with.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, isn't this just like Dolly Parton? She takes everything
in life, the best of times, the saddest of times,
and she can put her own positive spin on it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
She takes it in stride.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And in fact, Dolly's just released a song that she's
written inspired by her love story with Carl Dene. It's
called if You Hadn't Been There. You can hear her
voice cracking as she has tried. I'm just cracking with
emotion as she's trying to sing this song, and she
posted online Charlie along with her version of this song,
(01:08):
a retro photo of she and Carl Dene early in
their relationship, and she said, like all great love stories,
they never end, they live on in memory and song.
He will always be the star of my life story.
And I dedicate this song to him.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Carldene led a very private life. Their relationship was just
incredibly private to honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
People thought he didn't even exist.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
No, I mean I saw Carl honestly, Lauren, I think
I've seen Carl Deene once in all the years I've
been in Nashville. I's saw once in Brentwood over there,
closer to where they live. And to know that Dolly
has and let me see, I'm trying to figure out
the best way to say this to everybody, Lareen.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It is a tough subject.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, Her ability is genius when it comes to songwriting.
She can take something like you mentioned a moment ago
the mo and with a simple phrase, you know, I
wouldn't be here if you weren't there, right. You think
about how simple that is, but how genius it is
because it relates what's going on in her world, and
we can all.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Relate to Oh my gosh, Charley, you're so right.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So as Dolly faces this very difficult season, of her life.
Charlie and I reminded that, you knowing her for decades,
how she just takes everything on. She just faces life,
the ups and downs, the highs and lows with grays
and always the most positive attitude. So back in twenty
eleven we dug into our archives here. Back in twenty eleven,
(02:37):
the world was in political and economic upheaval, kind of
like now.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Familiar that it is so familiar.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So at that time, Dolly wrote and released an album
titled Better Day, all uplifting songs to focus on a
brighter perspective. That's who Dolly has always been, just a
lightening things are dark. So this conversation from twenty eleven
exemplifies all of that, and it reveals a lot of
things that surprised even Charlie and me. Charlie always had
(03:05):
something to hit you with.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Hit me, Charlie, hitter.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I was reading the morning paper and at the First
Center they're getting ready for a wonderful display of art
and one of them is you the Warhol papers.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Oh that's right, did they have that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Down there they're going to It was listed in the
paper here and that is what year was that?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Eighty f Oh my it was early on, and I'll
tell you a funny story about that.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
If you want to hear it. You love to my manager,
Sandy Gallon.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
At the time, I was working with Sandy and Andy
Warhol wanted to do a picture of me. Oh, Sandy
commissioned him to do a picture of me.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
That's what it was.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
So Sandy wanted it in his apartment cause Andy Warhol
he thought it'd be worth a lot of money someday.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He was very hot at that point.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
He was very hot, and I was too at that time.
Then I went through that slack period where I wasn't
so hot, and Sandy thought that picture didn't mean anything,
so he sold it for a I mean, for almost nothing,
and then all of a sudden, now it's come back
and it's worth all this money.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And Sandy just wants to shoot himself.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Time every time years about how much this picture of
me is worth, because that's what he body for her
to start with.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Did you have to sit still for the photo? H
I mean, I mean for the painting or did they
use the photograph?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Remember? I think I did.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I think he came over to Sandy's apartment in New
York and took some pictures of me. He took his pictures,
and then I remember visiting with I used to you know,
I knew him, and so that's funny.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
So here I am in Nashville with Andy Warhol.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Do you know what this prooves?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This proves one thing that Dolly Parton never goes out
of style.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
She is always priceless.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yes, but Sandy, Jesus things. I wish I had my
picture back. It's a compliment to me.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So's funny.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We're wild about it, wild about the new album.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I have to know it's doing a new album and
doing all the writing as traumatic for you as it
is for many artists.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Or do you have a stock pile.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Of songs and you just go, Okay, I'll take this,
I'll take this, I'll take that.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Well, I do have a stock pile of songs. In fact,
some of those songs, there's two or three of them
from the Broadway musical ninety five. But they were songs
I always intended to do. Their very positive, uplifting like
shine like the Sun. When these clouds rolled away from
my door, and I was thinking about those songs, I
was thinking about the times when I was thinking about
a new CD, because I love to write sad songs.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
I love to sing them. And I thought, but people
really hate to hear me sing sad songs. They know
I sing them good, but they don't want to hear
me do it because they think.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Well, if Dolly's sad, that's just not right somehow, So
I thought, well, why don't I just with the times
being hard, all the weather, all the death station, and
all these doomsday people saying the world's going to end,
I thought, let's just lift them up a little.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
So that's where it came from, and I picked some
stuff I had, and then I wrote some new stuff.
There's a few of those.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
There's another really sad one, a broken hearted song. But
all these songs have hope and promised even at the
end when I even the saddest ones, is like, I'm
looking to the future. I'm going to get at them
a find a new way, pick up these pieces and
I might be stronger than I know, and I'm moving on.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know what, it seems like you feel a responsibility
to the world to be that uplifting person.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Do you?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
In a way? I do now I do because people,
just people are always saying to me, just like I
wrote in the song single before last words. People's always
coming up to me and saying, what's your secret?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And I say, I'm not the dolly lama, but I'll
try to give you a few words of advice. You
better get deliver it, so I don't. I'm not happy
all the time, nobody is. I'm a songwriter.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
I have to keep my heart so soft. I have
to keep my feelings on my leaves in order to write.
So I hurt worse than anybody, but I have a
good attitude.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, years ago you said something that I don't
know if you still feel the same about.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You said that you didn't particularly like your voice. You're
glad everybody else did.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Well. I know my voice is odd. It's like will
Is and Patsy Kline.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
We're stylish, sank snow same way hate I mean urst
tub the same way. You either when you're a weird voice,
a strange voice, you either hate that voice or you
love it.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And I never like to hear myself sing.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Does that mean that the recording process for you it's torture.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No. No, I love to sing, it's just when I
hear it back.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I can't imagine why anybody would think that would be
something they'd want to buy.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
See, we think you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Well, I know I love to sing, and I know
I'm a good singer technically. I know I can express
myself and tell the story. But it's just the sound
of my voice that I think is weird. I just
think it's odd and I don't particularly care for it.
But I don't have to be my biggest fan, do I.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
There you go, Well, we're your biggest fan, right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You mentioned you along with you know, Whalan Willie, all
the stylists. I think that's maybe what may be missing
a little bit in country music. How do you feel
about the way country music has evolved what it is today.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Well, I think there's some wonderful artists. I'm always happy
to see country music being, you know, taken along always
in the future. But what we used to call country music,
you wouldn't hardly recognize it in a lot of the stuff,
but they consider themselves to be country and it's it
is that area of music.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
There goes my air conditions. It's okay, we'll continue. Everybody's
got an air.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Condition Because Charlie sweats when he's around.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I thought the say was this guy has falled. I
thought thatsday thing was. But anyway, what were we saying?
This scared me.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
About country music today?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Oh yeah, I was talking about the artists of today.
There's some great ones, but you're right, I haven't really
heard any true stylists in a long time. They make
great records, great artists, no doubt about that, but they're
just every now and then you'll get one of those
very unique voices that comes along, like the way.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, well, like I say, you either like those voices.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The song the Sacrifice boy, that that really comes from
your heart?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
It does, And I wonder.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I wonder in the song it's obvious that you feel
all the sacrifices you've made working so hard have been
worth it. But I also wonder if there is any
tinge of regret that you've spent so much time on
your career.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, that's a good question. There's a line in the
song like sometimes I wonder in the.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Still airs of night, was it really worth the sacrifice?
But I always come back to the fact that it is.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
It was. It's what I wanted to do. And it's
like that.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Two of my favorite lines was you know I was
going to be rich no matter how much it costs,
and I was going to win no matter how.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Much I lost.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
I think that fits anybody that heads out with a dream,
whether it's in the music business or however you're.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Going to make it. But I can't say.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
That I have regrets because I think I regret that
some people might have been hurt or offended by anything
I might have done through the years or misunderstood. But
I think about that sometimes to change one thing about
it could change the whole picture, and we.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Can't have Hey, can I ask you something really important?
Because you know there are some people that say that
being rich and chasing money is should not be the
goal in life.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
However, I have.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
A different view on that that I think you might
feel the same about that when you are blessed enough
to have riches, that you can use more of your
talent and you can help other people in ways you
couldn't before. Is that the way you feel?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yes, I do, and I couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
We all want money, we all need money, and I
won't say that I'm not motivated to some degree.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
But my gift, my art, was my first thing. I
figured if I.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Did good, getting my songs recorded I wouldn't make the money,
and now that I've made the money, it's like you said,
there's so many people that need it. I'm willing to
share it. You try, you can use it for your
good and everybody else's. And I'm not gonna say it
ain't about the money. But I count my blessings before
I count my money.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
There's so many people who look upon you as a
guy somebody they can learn from every new artist that
comes along, female, male, group, whatever. They kind of monitor
what you've done over the years. What is the biggest
lesson Nashville has taught you in business or personal? Either one?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Well, first of all, I love Nashville, And that's a
very good question.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
And I'm always flattered and floored by people saying that I've.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Been in inspiration.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
You never know how it's going to happen when you're young,
when you get older, like me, I've lived.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I'm as old as yesterday and as new as tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Because I think sometimes about Porter's dead and so many
of my friends that I worked with, or you are
old and not able to work, and I think, why
did God let me keep going on and trying to
stay with the times.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
But I think I've just learned how to.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Be true to myself, how to love the what Nashville
really stands for, which was country music and just down home,
just home folk and kind of it's been an anchor
to me.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And you know one thing I love and I applaud
you and Mac so much. Country is as country does.
I am so glad to hear somebody celebrating country and.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Not apologizing for it. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm paraphrasing a little bit. It's something to the effect
I am what I am.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
You can kiss you can kiss my hand.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I've heard that phrase just a little bit differently, though.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I have to Mac, and I'm is so funny. We
love to write, Mac David.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
That's the only song in the whole CD that I
co wrote on. But Mac and I get together every
few months or or at least once, you know, a
year or so, to try to write, and we just
are so similar in nature.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
We have such a good time. We laugh, and we
lord the stuff we come up with we could never use.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just kiss my ham your line, well, that's.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
What I was going to say. Max going to say
it's his line. I said, it's mine. We even said
on the phone, I said, everybody's loving that line.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I know you're going to tell your friends you wrote it.
I want to tell Mint I wrote it.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
But it's probably one of those things where we both
hit on it trying to rhyme or kiss my you know, so.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't even know. Honestly, don't even know which one
of us came.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Up with it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's a fun song, but is there a seriousness about it?
Because Charlie and I have talked about this for years now.
We want people to quit apologizing for country and to
celebrate it.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And this song does, yes, it does.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
In fact, this song is so me.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
It's like I can ride first class in a plane,
or if I've got to get somewhere, I don't mind
riding in the back.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I can drink champagne or chocolate milk, I don't care.
It's like a country girl.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
It's like the fact that I've made money and that
I'm supposed to be a star lord. You wouldn't believe
how country I still am and how just like I
have always been, I will always be that And.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
It doesn't matter. You wants country, always country.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I just can't imagine you're in the back of the
bus with a carton and chocolate milk on your way
to the wishy washy.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Well, I would do it, That's what I would do.
I would have kool aid, buttermilk and chocolate milk. I
much rather have that than, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Than some of the stuff around. But it's that song
we're indy to celebrates just country successful country girl.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Can you sing with me?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Okay, it's always the same. Yeah we do.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
This is enough for Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The show the sponsored me when I was little.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You beat your key, I'm in the key of r.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Okay, pick up morning paper, weened, he's the street Caswalkers
prices just can't be.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Be Try Blue Plend coffee and you want some more?
Do you go shopping to Caswalkers.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Talk about going back into time?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Okay, okay, But Charlie Chase, how do you.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And Dolly remember the words to that commercial fifty years later?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
First of all, let me just say it took me
to death here going, you know, just loving the memory
of it. When I was growing up in East Tennessee,
Dolly was a teenager appearing on the Kswalker Show. She
was probably fifteen sixteen years old at the point, and
I was in grammar school. So she was on Channel
ten and every morning on wbi R TV in Knoxville, and.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
You had a crush on her.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well, yeah, she's pretty. She was very pretty. Yeah, And
she'd be on there several times during the course of
the week. And Kavswalker sponsored a lot of the appearances
that she made. So that's why she remembers that song.
That's a song that the performers on the show always
did during the Kaswalker Farm in home. Oh my gosh,
I remember it well.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
This is such a bittersweet time, all the sadness surrounding
the death of Dolly's husband, Carl Dean, but just the
beautiful and wonderful memories that will always be there.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
That's right, friends, we have your country covered here. I'll
be sure to listen to the Crook and Chase count
Down every weekend on hundreds of radio stations across America
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