March 5, 2025 • 17 mins
Jelly Roll grew up with Crook & Chase - tuning in to Lorianne and Charlie on radio and television. Now Jelly is the artist talking to C&C, and much like Dolly Parton, Jelly will honestly answer ANY question you throw at him! We cover it all here - Jelly's simple weight loss strategy, his new relationship with food as he gears up for a world tour to global culinary capitals, why cocaine and pills aren't his thing anymore, AND what Charlie Chase and Jelly's wife, Bunny, talked about behind closed doors at the Opry!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody, Welcome once again into a Crooked and Chase
Nashville Chats. Loren and Charlie here my Music Row Studios.
And this is going to be a special podcast for
us because we found out when we first met this
Jelly roll guy that he had been watching us since
he was a kid. He grew up in Nashville, in Addiock, Tennessee,
just southeast to southeast portion of Nashville. First time we mete,
(00:20):
it Crooked Jay's been watching you guys since I was
a kid. It didn't make us feel old. It made
us feel special if you want to know the truth,
because this guy has turned out to be something special.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh my gosh. As Jelly celebrates his seventh number one
country hit, Liar, this is what you are about to
hear today, Jelly explains how he lived a lie on cocaine,
all kinds of drugs and alcohol, and how he flipped
his addictive nature into the positive, but he admits polarizing
(00:51):
messages that he delivers through his music. Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Also, now, Jelly told us a story that he's never
told before about the exact moment, disturbing moment when you
realize he needed to ditch his cell phone, texting and
social media. Everything had to get away from ye gone
and also the biggest compliment of his life that he
received from and boy, this had to be a thrill
for him. Eric Church, Eric.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Church, that's a great story. But we begin right now.
Is something that might challenge Jelly's will power. You know,
he's lost more than what Charlie one hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Now, Oh he's skinny.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, he has a healthier diet and exercise. But later
this year he is on a world tour with post
Malone that takes them to some of the most famous
culinary countries and cities on the planet. But like much
of Jelly's life, right now, he's taking an all in stride.
He's about to give you some plain and simple advice
(01:45):
anybody trying to lose weight like he is. But Jelly
is enjoying life, and he has plans to splurge on
calories in one country that he cannot wait to visit.
You are about to embark on the big world tour
and you are going to some of the best food
countries in the whole freaking world. Yes, Italy, France, Spain.
(02:10):
Are you going to ditch the diet and just just
enjoy what they have to offer on the plate.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Here's the thing is that I'm enjoying it now, even
in my health. I'm just doing it different. I'm enjoying
life different. It's like I'm learning moderation and understanding. Like
I won't go eat it every pizza. Pl I don't
need to taste every piece of pizza in Milan.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh I do.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Right, Your body might handle it better. Mind you look great.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
She hasn't signed up.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Take it. You're not running my five.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We're walking it to go on a motorcycle. But no
real quick. So in which country do you want to sample?
Which dish?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I've always my dad's favorite food is Italian food, So
that's probably where I'm gonna get.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just crazy pizza pasta.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I'm gonna go for it over there.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But anywhere else there's nothing to really, you know, I
want to eat something local everywhere I go to partake
in the culture. But I'm just this might be too
deep to get into on this show, But I've changed
my relationship with food dramatically, Like how I look at
food like it just doesn't even like there was a
time my life where you talking about this I would
have salivated, you know what I mean. And now I'm like, man,
(03:22):
we're just kind of talking about a thing that we
have to do in order to have energy to do
the next thing that we have to do, you know
what I mean. Like when you really break food down, right,
that's such real purpose that we have to do it
so we can do.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
This stuff that we have to do outside of that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It's like, I don't you know, like food to me
is just something I got to partake in every we
know when I have to do.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
It, I know you have to be very excited about
making the Canadian run. I soon called it unleashed.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So but now see I'm glad. I already ate poutine.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh I've had it too. They call it heart attack.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And a ball.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yep, yep. I had it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
When I went there the first time, I was like,
I'm gonna try it, and I was on my death
then I was in the middle of really my transition then,
so it's yeah, I'll eat around it. That's my biggest
thing with food now is that I just eat around
if you just got to make up for it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You can't go out there and just eat like hat
every day. You got to make up for it.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
But you've got your body is clearly we got two
totally different things going on. You know, I can't eat
a whole bowl of anything without a sticking to my
for years. You know, I'm saying, if I eat a
potato chip over what I'm allowed today, it'll hang on
me for a month.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Do you have a number of calories you're supposed to be?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes, I'm live in the most regiment. Listen, this is
a reality check to all my fellow fat people that
want to change their life. The bottom line is calories
in calories, out's the only way to go. If you
ain't burning more than you're eating, you're never gonna make
a change. You can cut it a thousand ways, buying
the kedo, buying to whatever fat diet makes you eat
less calories. But at the end of the day, and
here's the deal, is that I have a biological brother
(04:46):
that's much like her the way she's talking right now,
that can eat whatever he wants and it doesn't hit
him at all. A biological brother. We have a different mother,
same father. Literally I watch them eat every day when
we're together. He eats like an absolute I mean, French fries,
two meals a day, probably fast food once a day,
Starbucks every morning. But his body is burning five or
(05:08):
six thousand calories a day. He's just his body's just
doing it, turchs out. He works a job that requires
and being on his feet. He's worked the same job
for the last thirty years. So he's just his body's
a built in machine. I did the opposite. I sat
around fat and lethargic for most of my life. So
my body's not a machine. I'm having to turn it
into one right now. So I'm having to eat very disciplined.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
But hey, I'm so glad you're mentioning this because we
have known you over a period of time, and I
am telling you right now seeing you now, there is
a vibrance. There's an energy about you that was not there.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, it was hidden and what was going to be
a heart attack, it felt like it was hidden behind
it could today be the day?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You know? It's man, it's.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Now, but great for you, man, And so this is
what brings me to Liar, to me that is I
guess I would call it the song epically biblical, if
that's even a way to put it, because that's what
we're supposed to do right. That's what we're taught in
the Bible. You don't just resist, you don't just hide
(06:13):
from the liar. You're supposed to speak against the.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Line against them. That's what you do in this sauce.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Now, that's the power we're told we have, and I
see that power when you sing it on stage. My
question for you is when you are expressing that power
on stage and you're looking at the people you're singing to,
do you ever see on their faces something that they
get that they have the power and they're they're pulling
(06:42):
their strength from what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Well, what I see more of too is that, But
I also see people singing it with the conviction of
which they wrote it. So to me, that's like when
you go to a good church and there's a good
praise and worship service going on, and nobody's paying attention
to anything but what's happening within them. Like I see
that happening when I sing Liar, just like I see
(07:05):
it happening when I'm singing I'm not okay and save me.
It's like that building's empty and what they're singing back
to me is just their moment. This is for them
it ain't for me. It ain't for me to do
to them. This is like, this is the place I
came to get that out of me. You know what
I mean, Like you see it and them they leave horse,
you know what I mean. It's like it's I mean,
I mean, I get teary I talking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I know the excitement you guys were talking about. I
saw you live at the Grand Ole OPR. You did
like a thirty minute set and I saw you out there.
People left that building feeling that they've been to a
tent revival. Yes, and I'm curious if you've ever considered
passing the plate during encourse.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
A great question, like I should? I should. Somebody was
joking with the other day. They said, your show's not
far away from having an altar call.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
By the way, I saw Bunny the other night. Yes,
I'm not Bunny at the first thing. You know what
we talked about.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Oh, I can't wait to hear traffic.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
She was stuck in traffic like.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You and I.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yes, And I'm just curious, is she patient in traffic
or is she patient with you?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, she's patient. She's got that.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
That woman has the patience of a middle school teacher.
It is unbelievable. She is a saint. She no, but
she I could have mad. What's funny is I don't
think she took me serious.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Charlie.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I called her and said, hey, traffic was really bad
on the way here. And because I'm a we're local,
so we complained about the traffic anyways, because we remember
when it wasn't here.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know what I'm saying, the back roads to avoid it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And then they're there now they're everywhere. We try to
hit the back roads and they weren't to sneak out
and they're there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They're everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But she's so she's used to hearing me complain about traffic,
but she's a West Coast girl, so she's like, that
traffic you complain about is not as traffick he as
you think it is. The other day she was like,
oh no, this is the traffic that I would you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So He's like, yeah, it took an hour and forty
some minutes for he to get to the ground, a
lot hour and a half from me. Yeah, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's probably the tamest thing Bunny has ever talked about,
with it just Okay, okay, here's okay, we're going back twice.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Scary you won't what we talked about. I was like,
what y'all talked about?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So here's the thing. So here diving deep again? So uh,
some of your songs on the Beautifully Broken album sort
of address this. I'm Pretty and some other songs. But
you know, that's saying that you can't really fully love
other people unless you love yourself and forgive yourself, and
and I think you know we all believe in that
(09:44):
to an extent. So how how are you doing on
that front and forgiving yourself and loving yourself so that
you can give the best of yourself to everybody.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I am actually starting to love myself in a way
that I didn't know I could. And I'm starting to
treat myself that way, you know what I mean. You
can see it about what I'm putting in my body,
you know what I mean? Like it started there, Like
I'm just starting to care more about clarity. I'm starting
to care more about presence. Like, dude, I got rid
of my phone in November, and I have not had
a phone since. I have a laptop with an email,
(10:15):
and that is how I communicate with the world, and
it is the best thing that ever happened to me.
I am so clear headed, I'm so present, I'm so
glad to be wherever. There's an old guy named Bob Golf.
You'll ever get a chance to read his writing. He's
a good guy, Christian author and he uses this term
as simply as it goes, be at where your feet at.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Be at where your feet at, where you are.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I am wherever my feet are. WHOA, right now, I'm
hanging out with Crooked Chase. I tell you all this
every time we do this, but I've been listening to
since I was a kid.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
So it's like you know and and it never gets
lost on me when I get to see y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay, So this phone number we have for you, like
if we call you Crooked and Chase here, we urgently
need an interview with you. That's not going to work anymore, No,
I said.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Man, I don't have a number. I threw that phone
the Cumberland River right after and I got it. Yeah,
good keep it, please got it. Check those three thousand
unread text messages. If people want.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Money, I can't go five minutes without my phone. I
feel like I've lost touch with the world.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, you've done that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I had to lose touch with the world. It was
it was I have too much of a heart. I
couldn't I couldn't look at a thousand unread messages and
not feel guilty, you know what I mean. I was like,
I got to hit people back, and then it just
became a lot, and I'm doing a lot, and the
schedules a lot. And then it's like, I wasn't I'll
tell you when it happened. I hadn't told this story yet.
I was at the super Bowl last year. That's when
(11:37):
I knew I was gonna get.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Rid of my phone.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I was at the super Bowl and I was in
a suite with like Vince Vaughan, Leonardo DiCaprio, like Kanye West.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'm in the raising Kine suite.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It's like, A don't know, how did I get in here?
That's what I'm looking around. Who did I trick? And
I looked up because maybe Kansas City had just squared
a touchdown or something. George Kittle was playing for the
forty nine. If George Kittle's one of my dear friends,
I mean, I'm there. I have a thousand reasons to
be involved in this. And I looked up to see
(12:09):
what happened and realized I was the only person in
the suite that was on his phone. I had to
look up because I just I wasn't even watching the game.
I was sitting two rows from Leonardo DiCaprio scrolling on
Twitter or something, you know what I mean. And I
was like, what is this? This is I'm an addict. Okay,
let's talk about this openly. I talk about right, I'm
(12:30):
an out of crowd. So it's like we have a
little addict in this, right. So how I do anything
is how I do everything. I was doing the phone
the same way I would do cocaine. I never did
cocaine healthily, you know what I mean. I was doing
the phone the same way I did pills. I never
did them in a healthy way. I was doing the
phone the same way I did food. I never did
it in a healthy way. And it made me realize,
(12:51):
this is this is a this is a this is
a cabot, this is a trait. At this point, I've
got to fight this. I've got to retrain my mind
about all this stuff. This weights a byproduct of a
thousand other things. I'm changing, you know what I mean,
I'm losing the weight because I'm changing the way I
look at the way I look at communication with the world,
the way I look at phones, the way I look
at social media. I don't I look at all this
(13:12):
stuff different.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Man, baggage all the way around.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Right, all around, just stuff I gotta carry with me.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Okay, this leads me to a really big question. I'm
not bred.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
What am I going to eat in friends?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Nod well? I'd like to know, like you to tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So so not bragging, just saying Charlie and I are
blessed enough to have had as friends in this business,
Johnny Cash, whal And Jennings, George Jones, on and on
been to their houses. I mean, these were the guys
that pushed the rawest edges in music. I think you're
(13:53):
way more raw than that. So my question is how
how do you or do you temper what you have
to say to the country audience.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Or do you don't?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You don't?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Oh think that's I think that's kind of how we
how I got here in this weird way. Eric Church
said something about me the other day that I was
I think the greatest confliment I've ever been heard, and
I've never heard it this way. He said, I am
disarmingly honest. Yeah, and I never realized that. But I
think it's because I lived a lie for so long,
where I was wrapped up in so many lies. You
know this, when you're on drugs, everything's a lie. One
(14:32):
line needs and the next line you forget what that
lie was. You just make up a new line. Then
it just kind of spirals. And when I finally came home,
I was like, I just want to live. I realized
that the most peaceful life was the honest one. People
might not like everything I say, they might disagree with
a lot of what I say, and all that I
expect that good. I mean, I'm you know, I'm a
polarizing guy. But at least I know, at least you
know what you got from me was how I felt
(14:53):
that day.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You've been very open all all during your country music career. Okay,
And I remember when I first ask you if you
recall the day that you found out you were on
the country music chart, and you recall that, oh yeah,
here we are seven chart topping songs later. So it's
(15:14):
a blur but what's your number one takeaway from all
that's happened?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Man, That sometimes we're dreaming too small. I was dreaming
too small, man. I didn't think this was but I
didn't have this on my Bengo card.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
You know, it just wasn't. This wasn't. This is so
far exceeded every expectation and every facet.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And I was thinking about this before y'all walked in,
about how I'd never lose sight on me who y'all
had been to me, and I never lose sight of
Like even now it's different because I'm coming. You know,
you sit here for four years and have some hits,
you sit here in a different place, but it's still like,
I'm still the kid that was Like, I can't believe
I sat down with Eric Church the other day and
talked for an hour in front of all the radio people,
(15:55):
like I can't believe that right before y'all walked in,
the president of my label brought me an autograph Brooks
and done handwritten lyrics sheet from our song together from
our CMA performance like this is like and you know
what's even cooler. While we're talking deep about the hits, now, Charlie,
this is deep. I'm gonna get a plaque for this song, liar,
and it's gonna mean a lot to me because of
(16:16):
what the song's about. And there was a time in
my life I thought nothing was ever gonna mean more
than those plaques, because when you go to studios and
you see them, you're like, that's all I want. And
then Craig work and handwrites you a lyric sheet and
you're like, man, that plaque. You might not even see
that plaque on my wall, but I'm gonna hang that
Craig Morgan lyric sheet.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
That right there.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
When you come to my house, the Brooks and Done autograph,
handwritten lyrics for the song we did together.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
That's going in the foyer. You're gonna see that as
soon as you walk in.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And I guarantee you what he said there is gonna happen,
because he was staring at that thing all during our interview,
because they brought it in and gave him that plaque,
you know, the handwritten thing from Brooks and Done, and
he just kept looking over his shoulder at it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I couldn't take my eyes. But I know, Charlie, when
you walk in Jelly's house, the first thing you want
to see is a portrait of Bunny.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What a sweet lady. You know, she was late. You know,
we were talking about traffic and everything. She was late
getting there, and when I saw her, that's the first
thing we started talking about. Yeah, I mean, I don't
know what Jelly was thinking we're going to be talking about.
I'm sure you thought some weird things, but no, no, no,
we talked traffic. She's sweet lady and very beautiful in
person too.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh my goodness sake, she is a kind of a goddess.
I would say, all right, gang, that is Jelly Roll
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at Crook and Chase
Hi, everybody, Welcome once again into a Crooked and Chase
Nashville Chats. Loren and Charlie here my Music Row Studios.
And this is going to be a special podcast for
us because we found out when we first met this
Jelly roll guy that he had been watching us since
he was a kid. He grew up in Nashville, in Addiock, Tennessee,
just southeast to southeast portion of Nashville. First time we mete,
(00:20):
it Crooked Jay's been watching you guys since I was
a kid. It didn't make us feel old. It made
us feel special if you want to know the truth,
because this guy has turned out to be something special.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh my gosh. As Jelly celebrates his seventh number one
country hit, Liar, this is what you are about to
hear today, Jelly explains how he lived a lie on cocaine,
all kinds of drugs and alcohol, and how he flipped
his addictive nature into the positive, but he admits polarizing
(00:51):
messages that he delivers through his music. Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Also, now, Jelly told us a story that he's never
told before about the exact moment, disturbing moment when you
realize he needed to ditch his cell phone, texting and
social media. Everything had to get away from ye gone
and also the biggest compliment of his life that he
received from and boy, this had to be a thrill
for him. Eric Church, Eric.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Church, that's a great story. But we begin right now.
Is something that might challenge Jelly's will power. You know,
he's lost more than what Charlie one hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Now, Oh he's skinny.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, he has a healthier diet and exercise. But later
this year he is on a world tour with post
Malone that takes them to some of the most famous
culinary countries and cities on the planet. But like much
of Jelly's life, right now, he's taking an all in stride.
He's about to give you some plain and simple advice
(01:45):
anybody trying to lose weight like he is. But Jelly
is enjoying life, and he has plans to splurge on
calories in one country that he cannot wait to visit.
You are about to embark on the big world tour
and you are going to some of the best food
countries in the whole freaking world. Yes, Italy, France, Spain.
(02:10):
Are you going to ditch the diet and just just
enjoy what they have to offer on the plate.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Here's the thing is that I'm enjoying it now, even
in my health. I'm just doing it different. I'm enjoying
life different. It's like I'm learning moderation and understanding. Like
I won't go eat it every pizza. Pl I don't
need to taste every piece of pizza in Milan.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh I do.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Right, Your body might handle it better. Mind you look great.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
She hasn't signed up.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Take it. You're not running my five.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We're walking it to go on a motorcycle. But no
real quick. So in which country do you want to sample?
Which dish?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I've always my dad's favorite food is Italian food, So
that's probably where I'm gonna get.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just crazy pizza pasta.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I'm gonna go for it over there.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But anywhere else there's nothing to really, you know, I
want to eat something local everywhere I go to partake
in the culture. But I'm just this might be too
deep to get into on this show, But I've changed
my relationship with food dramatically, Like how I look at
food like it just doesn't even like there was a
time my life where you talking about this I would
have salivated, you know what I mean. And now I'm like, man,
(03:22):
we're just kind of talking about a thing that we
have to do in order to have energy to do
the next thing that we have to do, you know
what I mean. Like when you really break food down, right,
that's such real purpose that we have to do it
so we can do.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
This stuff that we have to do outside of that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It's like, I don't you know, like food to me
is just something I got to partake in every we
know when I have to do.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
It, I know you have to be very excited about
making the Canadian run. I soon called it unleashed.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So but now see I'm glad. I already ate poutine.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh I've had it too. They call it heart attack.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And a ball.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yep, yep. I had it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
When I went there the first time, I was like,
I'm gonna try it, and I was on my death
then I was in the middle of really my transition then,
so it's yeah, I'll eat around it. That's my biggest
thing with food now is that I just eat around
if you just got to make up for it.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You can't go out there and just eat like hat
every day. You got to make up for it.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
But you've got your body is clearly we got two
totally different things going on. You know, I can't eat
a whole bowl of anything without a sticking to my
for years. You know, I'm saying, if I eat a
potato chip over what I'm allowed today, it'll hang on
me for a month.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Do you have a number of calories you're supposed to be?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes, I'm live in the most regiment. Listen, this is
a reality check to all my fellow fat people that
want to change their life. The bottom line is calories
in calories, out's the only way to go. If you
ain't burning more than you're eating, you're never gonna make
a change. You can cut it a thousand ways, buying
the kedo, buying to whatever fat diet makes you eat
less calories. But at the end of the day, and
here's the deal, is that I have a biological brother
(04:46):
that's much like her the way she's talking right now,
that can eat whatever he wants and it doesn't hit
him at all. A biological brother. We have a different mother,
same father. Literally I watch them eat every day when
we're together. He eats like an absolute I mean, French fries,
two meals a day, probably fast food once a day,
Starbucks every morning. But his body is burning five or
(05:08):
six thousand calories a day. He's just his body's just
doing it, turchs out. He works a job that requires
and being on his feet. He's worked the same job
for the last thirty years. So he's just his body's
a built in machine. I did the opposite. I sat
around fat and lethargic for most of my life. So
my body's not a machine. I'm having to turn it
into one right now. So I'm having to eat very disciplined.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
But hey, I'm so glad you're mentioning this because we
have known you over a period of time, and I
am telling you right now seeing you now, there is
a vibrance. There's an energy about you that was not there.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, it was hidden and what was going to be
a heart attack, it felt like it was hidden behind
it could today be the day?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You know? It's man, it's.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Now, but great for you, man, And so this is
what brings me to Liar, to me that is I
guess I would call it the song epically biblical, if
that's even a way to put it, because that's what
we're supposed to do right. That's what we're taught in
the Bible. You don't just resist, you don't just hide
(06:13):
from the liar. You're supposed to speak against the.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Line against them. That's what you do in this sauce.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Now, that's the power we're told we have, and I
see that power when you sing it on stage. My
question for you is when you are expressing that power
on stage and you're looking at the people you're singing to,
do you ever see on their faces something that they
get that they have the power and they're they're pulling
(06:42):
their strength from what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Well, what I see more of too is that, But
I also see people singing it with the conviction of
which they wrote it. So to me, that's like when
you go to a good church and there's a good
praise and worship service going on, and nobody's paying attention
to anything but what's happening within them. Like I see
that happening when I sing Liar, just like I see
(07:05):
it happening when I'm singing I'm not okay and save me.
It's like that building's empty and what they're singing back
to me is just their moment. This is for them
it ain't for me. It ain't for me to do
to them. This is like, this is the place I
came to get that out of me. You know what
I mean, Like you see it and them they leave horse,
you know what I mean. It's like it's I mean,
I mean, I get teary I talking about it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I know the excitement you guys were talking about. I
saw you live at the Grand Ole OPR. You did
like a thirty minute set and I saw you out there.
People left that building feeling that they've been to a
tent revival. Yes, and I'm curious if you've ever considered
passing the plate during encourse.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
A great question, like I should? I should. Somebody was
joking with the other day. They said, your show's not
far away from having an altar call.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
By the way, I saw Bunny the other night. Yes,
I'm not Bunny at the first thing. You know what
we talked about.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Oh, I can't wait to hear traffic.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
She was stuck in traffic like.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You and I.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yes, And I'm just curious, is she patient in traffic
or is she patient with you?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, she's patient. She's got that.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
That woman has the patience of a middle school teacher.
It is unbelievable. She is a saint. She no, but
she I could have mad. What's funny is I don't
think she took me serious.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Charlie.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I called her and said, hey, traffic was really bad
on the way here. And because I'm a we're local,
so we complained about the traffic anyways, because we remember
when it wasn't here.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know what I'm saying, the back roads to avoid it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And then they're there now they're everywhere. We try to
hit the back roads and they weren't to sneak out
and they're there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
They're everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But she's so she's used to hearing me complain about traffic,
but she's a West Coast girl, so she's like, that
traffic you complain about is not as traffick he as
you think it is. The other day she was like,
oh no, this is the traffic that I would you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So He's like, yeah, it took an hour and forty
some minutes for he to get to the ground, a
lot hour and a half from me. Yeah, it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's probably the tamest thing Bunny has ever talked about,
with it just Okay, okay, here's okay, we're going back twice.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Scary you won't what we talked about. I was like,
what y'all talked about?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
So here's the thing. So here diving deep again? So uh,
some of your songs on the Beautifully Broken album sort
of address this. I'm Pretty and some other songs. But
you know, that's saying that you can't really fully love
other people unless you love yourself and forgive yourself, and
and I think you know we all believe in that
(09:44):
to an extent. So how how are you doing on
that front and forgiving yourself and loving yourself so that
you can give the best of yourself to everybody.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
I am actually starting to love myself in a way
that I didn't know I could. And I'm starting to
treat myself that way, you know what I mean. You
can see it about what I'm putting in my body,
you know what I mean? Like it started there, Like
I'm just starting to care more about clarity. I'm starting
to care more about presence. Like, dude, I got rid
of my phone in November, and I have not had
a phone since. I have a laptop with an email,
(10:15):
and that is how I communicate with the world, and
it is the best thing that ever happened to me.
I am so clear headed, I'm so present, I'm so
glad to be wherever. There's an old guy named Bob Golf.
You'll ever get a chance to read his writing. He's
a good guy, Christian author and he uses this term
as simply as it goes, be at where your feet at.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Be at where your feet at, where you are.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I am wherever my feet are. WHOA, right now, I'm
hanging out with Crooked Chase. I tell you all this
every time we do this, but I've been listening to
since I was a kid.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
So it's like you know and and it never gets
lost on me when I get to see y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Okay, So this phone number we have for you, like
if we call you Crooked and Chase here, we urgently
need an interview with you. That's not going to work anymore, No,
I said.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Man, I don't have a number. I threw that phone
the Cumberland River right after and I got it. Yeah,
good keep it, please got it. Check those three thousand
unread text messages. If people want.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Money, I can't go five minutes without my phone. I
feel like I've lost touch with the world.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, you've done that.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I had to lose touch with the world. It was
it was I have too much of a heart. I
couldn't I couldn't look at a thousand unread messages and
not feel guilty, you know what I mean. I was like,
I got to hit people back, and then it just
became a lot, and I'm doing a lot, and the
schedules a lot. And then it's like, I wasn't I'll
tell you when it happened. I hadn't told this story yet.
I was at the super Bowl last year. That's when
(11:37):
I knew I was gonna get.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Rid of my phone.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I was at the super Bowl and I was in
a suite with like Vince Vaughan, Leonardo DiCaprio, like Kanye West.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I'm in the raising Kine suite.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It's like, A don't know, how did I get in here?
That's what I'm looking around. Who did I trick? And
I looked up because maybe Kansas City had just squared
a touchdown or something. George Kittle was playing for the
forty nine. If George Kittle's one of my dear friends,
I mean, I'm there. I have a thousand reasons to
be involved in this. And I looked up to see
(12:09):
what happened and realized I was the only person in
the suite that was on his phone. I had to
look up because I just I wasn't even watching the game.
I was sitting two rows from Leonardo DiCaprio scrolling on
Twitter or something, you know what I mean. And I
was like, what is this? This is I'm an addict. Okay,
let's talk about this openly. I talk about right, I'm
(12:30):
an out of crowd. So it's like we have a
little addict in this, right. So how I do anything
is how I do everything. I was doing the phone
the same way I would do cocaine. I never did
cocaine healthily, you know what I mean. I was doing
the phone the same way I did pills. I never
did them in a healthy way. I was doing the
phone the same way I did food. I never did
it in a healthy way. And it made me realize,
(12:51):
this is this is a this is a this is
a cabot, this is a trait. At this point, I've
got to fight this. I've got to retrain my mind
about all this stuff. This weights a byproduct of a
thousand other things. I'm changing, you know what I mean,
I'm losing the weight because I'm changing the way I
look at the way I look at communication with the world,
the way I look at phones, the way I look
at social media. I don't I look at all this
(13:12):
stuff different.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Man, baggage all the way around.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Right, all around, just stuff I gotta carry with me.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Okay, this leads me to a really big question. I'm
not bred.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
What am I going to eat in friends?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Nod well? I'd like to know, like you to tell me.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So so not bragging, just saying Charlie and I are
blessed enough to have had as friends in this business,
Johnny Cash, whal And Jennings, George Jones, on and on
been to their houses. I mean, these were the guys
that pushed the rawest edges in music. I think you're
(13:53):
way more raw than that. So my question is how
how do you or do you temper what you have
to say to the country audience.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Or do you don't?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You don't?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Oh think that's I think that's kind of how we
how I got here in this weird way. Eric Church
said something about me the other day that I was
I think the greatest confliment I've ever been heard, and
I've never heard it this way. He said, I am
disarmingly honest. Yeah, and I never realized that. But I
think it's because I lived a lie for so long,
where I was wrapped up in so many lies. You
know this, when you're on drugs, everything's a lie. One
(14:32):
line needs and the next line you forget what that
lie was. You just make up a new line. Then
it just kind of spirals. And when I finally came home,
I was like, I just want to live. I realized
that the most peaceful life was the honest one. People
might not like everything I say, they might disagree with
a lot of what I say, and all that I
expect that good. I mean, I'm you know, I'm a
polarizing guy. But at least I know, at least you
know what you got from me was how I felt
(14:53):
that day.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You've been very open all all during your country music career. Okay,
And I remember when I first ask you if you
recall the day that you found out you were on
the country music chart, and you recall that, oh yeah,
here we are seven chart topping songs later. So it's
(15:14):
a blur but what's your number one takeaway from all
that's happened?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Man, That sometimes we're dreaming too small. I was dreaming
too small, man. I didn't think this was but I
didn't have this on my Bengo card.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
You know, it just wasn't. This wasn't. This is so
far exceeded every expectation and every facet.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
And I was thinking about this before y'all walked in,
about how I'd never lose sight on me who y'all
had been to me, and I never lose sight of
Like even now it's different because I'm coming. You know,
you sit here for four years and have some hits,
you sit here in a different place, but it's still like,
I'm still the kid that was Like, I can't believe
I sat down with Eric Church the other day and
talked for an hour in front of all the radio people,
(15:55):
like I can't believe that right before y'all walked in,
the president of my label brought me an autograph Brooks
and done handwritten lyrics sheet from our song together from
our CMA performance like this is like and you know
what's even cooler. While we're talking deep about the hits, now, Charlie,
this is deep. I'm gonna get a plaque for this song, liar,
and it's gonna mean a lot to me because of
(16:16):
what the song's about. And there was a time in
my life I thought nothing was ever gonna mean more
than those plaques, because when you go to studios and
you see them, you're like, that's all I want. And
then Craig work and handwrites you a lyric sheet and
you're like, man, that plaque. You might not even see
that plaque on my wall, but I'm gonna hang that
Craig Morgan lyric sheet.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
That right there.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
When you come to my house, the Brooks and Done autograph,
handwritten lyrics for the song we did together.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
That's going in the foyer. You're gonna see that as
soon as you walk in.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And I guarantee you what he said there is gonna happen,
because he was staring at that thing all during our interview,
because they brought it in and gave him that plaque,
you know, the handwritten thing from Brooks and Done, and
he just kept looking over his shoulder at it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I couldn't take my eyes. But I know, Charlie, when
you walk in Jelly's house, the first thing you want
to see is a portrait of Bunny.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
What a sweet lady. You know, she was late. You know,
we were talking about traffic and everything. She was late
getting there, and when I saw her, that's the first
thing we started talking about. Yeah, I mean, I don't
know what Jelly was thinking we're going to be talking about.
I'm sure you thought some weird things, but no, no, no,
we talked traffic. She's sweet lady and very beautiful in
person too.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh my goodness sake, she is a kind of a goddess.
I would say, all right, gang, that is Jelly Roll
here on Crook and Chase Nashville Chats, and you know
we always have your country covered. You can listen to
the Crook and Chase Countdown every weekend on literally hundreds
of radio stations across America and also streaming on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
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