March 3, 2025 • 11 mins
New Real Housewives on Beverly Hills star Bozoma Saint John talks season 14 and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have one with Mario Lopez. It's up Mario Courtney
Lopez joining me right now on Zoom New Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills star Bozama Saint John aka Bows.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What's up? Bows?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yes, I know, I'm y'all. I'm y'all's new bestie. You
didn't know that, and so now you could call me
both like pround's good.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thanks for the premier.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Everyone's new bestie. Everyone loves you up girl.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Apparently you don't yet, but I'm fine with that. I'm
totally okay with being the bestie.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now you're new to the cast.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
He's in fourteen.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What made you decide to join the show? Like, you
know what you're signing up for. You know they thrive
on drama. Did you just say, Okay, I'm gonna go
in there like a like a character, or you're really
about that life?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
No? I know?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Right, Well, Mario, here's here's the secret that people don't know,
which is that I've been about that life.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay. You can't have crawled up, clogged your way up
Corporate America into not one corner office, but four of
the largest companies in the world and not be about
that life. I will choose violence every day. No, I'm kidding.
Not my kind of girl. Nice.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, But look, that's my thing is that this is
not a scary situation because I already understand how the
dynamics of people work, you know, and this just happens
to be a different type of room from the rooms
I've already been in.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Oh, we'll put Yeah, you don't want to mess with her. Also,
on the show, you you're opening up about having another child,
and you and you've been open about your your past,
your children and everything that you've gone through and it
has not been an easy road for you. Is this
still something that's on your plate that you're trying to
(01:50):
do have another child?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes? Yes, yes, yes, And you're right, this is of
all things that is probably the scariest part, you know.
And I think the challenge of being on a show
like this is that you know, you sign up for everything.
You know, it's the entirety of your life, right, and
so you can't pick and choose like, oh, I just
(02:12):
want to talk about these like happy sexy things like
you know, you've also got to talk about the stuff
that's really scary. And because I have been a corporate
figure for a long time.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
My personal life has not been on display, although I
have chosen to talk about that in my corporate life
because I thought it was important to show that leaders
are not just these like, you know, emotionless like robots
that don't have feelings or lives, but that you know,
we're all human and that you can be a better
empathetic leader because you've gone through trauma.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Right. But it is very, very scary to open myself
up to be judged for having dreams and aspirations of
expanding my family as a more mature woman, as someone
who is you know, romantic and hopeful to find love
(03:05):
again after being a widow for twelve years, as someone
who has suffered with preclamsia and the loss of a child.
All of that is very scary, and I have chosen
to talk about it publicly.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's a terrifying thing, and I'm sure you've touched a
lot of people, and because a lot of people can
relate and think, and it's nice for them to hear
it on such a huge platform.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you know, I've also been very surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You know, I knew that there would be of course,
some people who'd be like, oh my gosh, like I
can't believe you're doing this, like what are you thinking?
But I also knew that there was going to be
an audience of people who said, oh same, like oh
my gosh, I've been through this, or I also have
hopes for this. What I didn't anticipate was the what
I would call and maybe this is a strong word,
(03:54):
but what I would call shame that people have about
talking about this.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You know that there are close girlfriends of mine who
when we did the episode where I got my fireboid
surgery so that I can have the option of caring
if I choose to, one of my very dear girlfriend
called and said, bos, I can't believe that you're talking
about this. You know, I had my surgery two years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I was like, girl, what, like you like you didn't
share that, Like you didn't talk. But she's like, I
didn't want to because you know, it's like, you know,
you don't want people to judge you and think that
like you can't and therefore that And I was like,
are you kidding me? Like we you know, we walk
around with such shame around fertility, you know, and if
(04:40):
you can't have children, or if you're having a difficult
time having children, or if you're trying to find the
different options to have children that somehow it's like shameful
for you to say that.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Good for you to bring that to the forefront, because
not only is it very empowering, Yeah, you break that
stigma and it's awful. People just people just well, you know,
that's the unfortunate thing about social media creates a platform
for people just to kind of spew sort of negativity
with no consequence.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So that's that's very.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Cool and probably one of the many reasons a lot
of the fans of the show are saying, you're a
huge upgrade on the show, which.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Which is nice.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Do you do you plan to come back for the
next season?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Did you have a good experience?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, see, look we haven't filmed the reunion yet. Let's
see what happens.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You and you and I'll be watching you and deit
became fast friends. How is everything else?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Today?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Today's Wednesday?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Also an episode came out last night. Okay, I don't
know what, I don't know. Uh so you and have
become fast friends. What's what's going on with the other girls?
Because I know there's there's a lot going on this season,
a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Everybody has something going on.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You know, you're kind of like the voice of reason,
and you explain it a lot in your confessionals, you know,
being such a high level powered woman in different positions,
you're always trying to find a solution and how to
fix this, and you can and you can really really tell.
But I think some people don't like that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well, you know, there's a lot of reasons why people
don't like a lot of things. Okay, I'm always going
to just call things the way I see them, you know.
And one thing about I think my relationship with dried,
which has I think been a surprise for people, is one, yes,
the speed at which we became fast friends, right, but
(06:36):
I also believe in just like time and space and energy,
and you know, the moment that things happen. I don't
know if i'd met Derey six years ago, if we
were to become fast friends. You know, I happened to
meet her at a moment in her life where she
desperately needed someone who was not going to judge her,
someone who's going to listen to her, and someone who's
going to tell her the truth. You know, and so
(06:58):
I happened to walk into that moment where it's like
she has just separated from her husband, and you know,
the rest of the women feel like she talks too much,
but I was willing to listen. I was like, girl,
what you know what I mean? I was like, tell
me everything, girl, tell me off the dirt, you know.
And so she was telling me, of course I'm an
empathetic ear, and I was like, ooh, girl, yes I've seen,
(07:19):
I heard that, I've been there. Oh let me tell
you what I did. Girl, you need to get yourself
a lawyer, you know. Like, but I'm just reacting to
what I am getting. And I think the challenge from
the other women was that they felt that I haven't
given space, you know, for them to also I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm just like the group therapist, but they haven't given
space to also connect with me in much the same way.
But I just don't know that things are.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Always equal, you know, in life, Like in friendships, it's like,
you know, if you're part of a friend group, aren't
there always people who.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Like break off?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And like there are always the two who are like
really really close or threes, like you have the big
group chat and then there's like one with the three
people in it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We all know that extra.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Of course, it's always hard with groups like that because
it's never never equal. You should start like therapy sessions
and like just put them in your book.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Is that one girl is the one who's the one
that uh, the husband was the doctor and was doing
shady stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh the tea, No, yeah, the you know it was
the attorney wasn't a doctor. I'm sorry. He was the attorney,
the shady attorney that they lived by us right there
in Pescal Oh Erica, right. Not a doctor?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Was he was?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
He was?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
He was attorney.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
He was in the show.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Was an attorney.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He's still on the show. He's still on the show.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
She didn't get locked up.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
At Mario'll get into it. You just see how he leaned.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In because I saw no because I saw the documentary
about her shady ass husband, and then we had her
on the show a bunch of times.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I have been a die hard Housewives fan since Orange
County when it first came out. So he's always saying
stuff to me. But don't think he doesn't stop and
watch when he walks into the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well during like the reunions.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It's like it's like they were they say some nasty
seb So you're gonna get compelled to like, damn, what's
going on?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You're like, what happened here?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But you know what's funny about her is that I
think because of everything that she went through, you know,
she's having like one of those seasons where she's just
trying to figure out her footing.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know, she's trying to figure out like how do
I just live my life?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And I love her, right, I love her in this moment.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And not about her.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So she's happy exactly. She's the pop star one, yes,
pretty mess. Sorry okay you're.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Using pop stars, but yeah, no, I just know she used.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
To live by us.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And then yeah I tripped out when I saw a documentary.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I go, oh damn, oh yeah no, she's currently on Broadway.
She's like she's get out of here, rushing. Okay, damn.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Resilience, you know what I mean? We should learn back
balance back lessons from her.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I bet, Oh, well now you got me, uh
now you got me a.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Tree by the season bows.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So I think they did a great job obviously with
this casting.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Congratulations are you from La originally? What was that?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Are you from La originally?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
No? No, no. I grew up in Calada Springs, Colorado. Oh,
Colorado Springs, emagally. You've been out here a minute now,
but only with only black people there. Yeah, I know,
they just started getting Mexicans a little wile ago. Go
back and populate, you know what I'm saying? What are you?
How long you've been out here in La now?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I've been here for let's see, twelve years almost.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, so it's home now, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is well.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Good for you. Congratulations and listen everyone, please be sure
to catch the final few episodes of season fourteen Real
Housewives of Beverly Hills, airing Tuesday nights on Bravo. Thanks
so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Thank you. I appreciated this fun all right, take care
with Mario Lopez
I have one with Mario Lopez. It's up Mario Courtney
Lopez joining me right now on Zoom New Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills star Bozama Saint John aka Bows.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What's up? Bows?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yes, I know, I'm y'all. I'm y'all's new bestie. You
didn't know that, and so now you could call me
both like pround's good.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Thanks for the premier.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Everyone's new bestie. Everyone loves you up girl.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Apparently you don't yet, but I'm fine with that. I'm
totally okay with being the bestie.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Now you're new to the cast.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
He's in fourteen.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What made you decide to join the show? Like, you
know what you're signing up for. You know they thrive
on drama. Did you just say, Okay, I'm gonna go
in there like a like a character, or you're really
about that life?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
No? I know?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Right, Well, Mario, here's here's the secret that people don't know,
which is that I've been about that life.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay. You can't have crawled up, clogged your way up
Corporate America into not one corner office, but four of
the largest companies in the world and not be about
that life. I will choose violence every day. No, I'm kidding.
Not my kind of girl. Nice.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, But look, that's my thing is that this is
not a scary situation because I already understand how the
dynamics of people work, you know, and this just happens
to be a different type of room from the rooms
I've already been in.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Oh, we'll put Yeah, you don't want to mess with her. Also,
on the show, you you're opening up about having another child,
and you and you've been open about your your past,
your children and everything that you've gone through and it
has not been an easy road for you. Is this
still something that's on your plate that you're trying to
(01:50):
do have another child?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes? Yes, yes, yes, And you're right, this is of
all things that is probably the scariest part, you know.
And I think the challenge of being on a show
like this is that you know, you sign up for everything.
You know, it's the entirety of your life, right, and
so you can't pick and choose like, oh, I just
(02:12):
want to talk about these like happy sexy things like
you know, you've also got to talk about the stuff
that's really scary. And because I have been a corporate
figure for a long time.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
My personal life has not been on display, although I
have chosen to talk about that in my corporate life
because I thought it was important to show that leaders
are not just these like, you know, emotionless like robots
that don't have feelings or lives, but that you know,
we're all human and that you can be a better
empathetic leader because you've gone through trauma.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Right. But it is very, very scary to open myself
up to be judged for having dreams and aspirations of
expanding my family as a more mature woman, as someone
who is you know, romantic and hopeful to find love
(03:05):
again after being a widow for twelve years, as someone
who has suffered with preclamsia and the loss of a child.
All of that is very scary, and I have chosen
to talk about it publicly.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It's a terrifying thing, and I'm sure you've touched a
lot of people, and because a lot of people can
relate and think, and it's nice for them to hear
it on such a huge platform.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you know, I've also been very surprised by that.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You know, I knew that there would be of course,
some people who'd be like, oh my gosh, like I
can't believe you're doing this, like what are you thinking?
But I also knew that there was going to be
an audience of people who said, oh same, like oh
my gosh, I've been through this, or I also have
hopes for this. What I didn't anticipate was the what
I would call and maybe this is a strong word,
(03:54):
but what I would call shame that people have about
talking about this.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
You know that there are close girlfriends of mine who
when we did the episode where I got my fireboid
surgery so that I can have the option of caring
if I choose to, one of my very dear girlfriend
called and said, bos, I can't believe that you're talking
about this. You know, I had my surgery two years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I was like, girl, what, like you like you didn't
share that, Like you didn't talk. But she's like, I
didn't want to because you know, it's like, you know,
you don't want people to judge you and think that
like you can't and therefore that And I was like,
are you kidding me? Like we you know, we walk
around with such shame around fertility, you know, and if
(04:40):
you can't have children, or if you're having a difficult
time having children, or if you're trying to find the
different options to have children that somehow it's like shameful
for you to say that.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Good for you to bring that to the forefront, because
not only is it very empowering, Yeah, you break that
stigma and it's awful. People just people just well, you know,
that's the unfortunate thing about social media creates a platform
for people just to kind of spew sort of negativity
with no consequence.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So that's that's very.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Cool and probably one of the many reasons a lot
of the fans of the show are saying, you're a
huge upgrade on the show, which.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Which is nice.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Do you do you plan to come back for the
next season?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Did you have a good experience?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, see, look we haven't filmed the reunion yet. Let's
see what happens.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You and you and I'll be watching you and deit
became fast friends. How is everything else?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Today?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Today's Wednesday?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Also an episode came out last night. Okay, I don't
know what, I don't know. Uh so you and have
become fast friends. What's what's going on with the other girls?
Because I know there's there's a lot going on this season,
a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Everybody has something going on.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You know, you're kind of like the voice of reason,
and you explain it a lot in your confessionals, you know,
being such a high level powered woman in different positions,
you're always trying to find a solution and how to
fix this, and you can and you can really really tell.
But I think some people don't like that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well, you know, there's a lot of reasons why people
don't like a lot of things. Okay, I'm always going
to just call things the way I see them, you know.
And one thing about I think my relationship with dried,
which has I think been a surprise for people, is one, yes,
the speed at which we became fast friends, right, but
(06:36):
I also believe in just like time and space and energy,
and you know, the moment that things happen. I don't
know if i'd met Derey six years ago, if we
were to become fast friends. You know, I happened to
meet her at a moment in her life where she
desperately needed someone who was not going to judge her,
someone who's going to listen to her, and someone who's
going to tell her the truth. You know, and so
(06:58):
I happened to walk into that moment where it's like
she has just separated from her husband, and you know,
the rest of the women feel like she talks too much,
but I was willing to listen. I was like, girl,
what you know what I mean? I was like, tell
me everything, girl, tell me off the dirt, you know.
And so she was telling me, of course I'm an
empathetic ear, and I was like, ooh, girl, yes I've seen,
(07:19):
I heard that, I've been there. Oh let me tell
you what I did. Girl, you need to get yourself
a lawyer, you know. Like, but I'm just reacting to
what I am getting. And I think the challenge from
the other women was that they felt that I haven't
given space, you know, for them to also I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I'm just like the group therapist, but they haven't given
space to also connect with me in much the same way.
But I just don't know that things are.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Always equal, you know, in life, Like in friendships, it's like,
you know, if you're part of a friend group, aren't
there always people who.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Like break off?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And like there are always the two who are like
really really close or threes, like you have the big
group chat and then there's like one with the three
people in it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We all know that extra.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Of course, it's always hard with groups like that because
it's never never equal. You should start like therapy sessions
and like just put them in your book.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Is that one girl is the one who's the one
that uh, the husband was the doctor and was doing
shady stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Oh the tea, No, yeah, the you know it was
the attorney wasn't a doctor. I'm sorry. He was the attorney,
the shady attorney that they lived by us right there
in Pescal Oh Erica, right. Not a doctor?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Was he was?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
He was?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
He was attorney.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
He was in the show.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Was an attorney.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He's still on the show. He's still on the show.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
She didn't get locked up.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
At Mario'll get into it. You just see how he leaned.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In because I saw no because I saw the documentary
about her shady ass husband, and then we had her
on the show a bunch of times.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I have been a die hard Housewives fan since Orange
County when it first came out. So he's always saying
stuff to me. But don't think he doesn't stop and
watch when he walks into the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Well during like the reunions.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It's like it's like they were they say some nasty
seb So you're gonna get compelled to like, damn, what's
going on?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You're like, what happened here?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But you know what's funny about her is that I
think because of everything that she went through, you know,
she's having like one of those seasons where she's just
trying to figure out her footing.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know, she's trying to figure out like how do
I just live my life?
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
And I love her, right, I love her in this moment.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And not about her.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So she's happy exactly. She's the pop star one, yes,
pretty mess. Sorry okay you're.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Using pop stars, but yeah, no, I just know she used.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
To live by us.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And then yeah I tripped out when I saw a documentary.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I go, oh damn, oh yeah no, she's currently on Broadway.
She's like she's get out of here, rushing. Okay, damn.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Resilience, you know what I mean? We should learn back
balance back lessons from her.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, I bet, Oh, well now you got me, uh
now you got me a.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Tree by the season bows.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So I think they did a great job obviously with
this casting.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Congratulations are you from La originally? What was that?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Are you from La originally?
Speaker 2 (10:11):
No? No, no. I grew up in Calada Springs, Colorado. Oh,
Colorado Springs, emagally. You've been out here a minute now,
but only with only black people there. Yeah, I know,
they just started getting Mexicans a little wile ago. Go
back and populate, you know what I'm saying? What are you?
How long you've been out here in La now?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I've been here for let's see, twelve years almost.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Okay, so it's home now, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is well.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Good for you. Congratulations and listen everyone, please be sure
to catch the final few episodes of season fourteen Real
Housewives of Beverly Hills, airing Tuesday nights on Bravo. Thanks
so much for your time.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Thank you. I appreciated this fun all right, take care
with Mario Lopez
Host
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Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!