Today on The Breakfast Club, Devi Brown joins us to talk about achieving higher consciousness, embracing grief, and developing self-mastery. Plus, Alencia Johnson stops by to discuss her book Flip the Tables, political disruption, reciprocity, and why she quit therapy. And in ‘Donkey of the Day,’ Charlamagne calls out the Trump administration for seizing wages, pensions, and tax refunds to repay student loans. Listen for more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning us say yo yo yo yo yo yo
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yo just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hey yo, what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Laura La Rossa, good morning y'all.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Charlmagne and be is stuck behind a dump truck somewhere
and it should have left home like ten minutes earlier.
But it's okay because sometimes I be late to it
don't matter, no, it don't matter.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
How was your night last night? My night was great.
Shout out to sixty three Auto spot.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
They took me out to dinner, okay, of course, and
you know, having some great conversations and some great food.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh okay, so that's all. Yeah, that's what I can
say right now. Date it wasn't a date. Oh no, no, no,
it wasn't a day. Sound like something. They took me
out on the day, like, okay, how many of them
was it? It was for?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's like no, no, no yo, no no no.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No no no it was. It was just it was
like more like a business dinner thing.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Working, I'm about to do some car stuff, you know, workwise,
so that's what's up.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Yeah, you're about to be a mechanic.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Too, girl. You know I can't, but we never do
with these nails.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm just saying, we ain't gonna get in this mechanic outfit.
You look nice given set it off.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm ronky.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm about to be, you know, just doing brand work.
Look at Eli, he's so high. He's telling me, I
look like set it off.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Every time I weard this Malana off there every single time.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But he said, he gave you queen and tef he
ain't shitn't have been and my wig is on and
it is and I didn't have the breath.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You can't even see a breeze. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, yesterday, you know, the weather was nice.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Me and my man took our daughter out for the
first time, well not the first time any like, shan't
never been out, but to the farmer's market. Like we
had her in the stroller strolling around and she was
like looking up the stroller. She was chilling and and
it was it was a whole dope time. We got
some fruits and vegetables. You know, that is very much
on brand for my man, yo, Like he he loved
(01:46):
doing it. He loved playing and growing and all.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That type of stuff. So yeah, it was a nice
little and then we of course had to have a
drink somewhere. We went to Local. I love Local Eatery.
It's a spot in Jersey City.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
It's lit. You gotta go.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Oh yeah, I gotta figure that out. I never I
never been refer I'm cracking up. You're talking about she
was looking around the show that she ain't been nowhere.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, I know, we first time of us actually having
her at a farmer's market, like people close to it
can see her, walk up on her and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So it was it was a nice experience. Aren't you
trying to hide her from artist?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I already deal with that from these two niggas up here.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You do not be in on the ice stuff with
my daughter because they're gonna get me open the show together.
I know, right, Yeah, ain't a crazy over hare sweating
bullets cause I don't know what to say next anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh yeah, it is Wednesday. It's Wednesday, so it's hump day. Yeah,
hump day, what charlamage do?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's my fee op for real wide and and joining
us today we got Debby Brown. She has a new book,
Living in Wisdom, A Path to Embodying your Authentic Self,
Embracing grief and developing self mastery, is out now. Heavy
Brown also has a podcast with The Black Effect our
Heart Network, you know some some something or another. And
then also later in the show, we got Unlessia Johnson
(03:01):
also with a new book.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh these authors, I tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's called Flip the Tables, every Day Disruptor's Guide to
Finding courage and making Change.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And it's out now as well. And we got Front
Page News.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Cracking off, and Mimi Brown is here because Morgan is out.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So we're gonna get the show cracking and we'll be
right back after this. Yeah, I know that's right there.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Warning everybody is TJ N V jes hilarious, Charlamage the God.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
We are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
We are here, Yes, thank you going Yeah, I'm telling
on the garbage trucks this morning.
Speaker 9 (03:31):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
There's nothing you can do when things are out of
your control.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
But you know, if you're in New York City where
we broadcast from NYC, three eleven is the number to
report the garbage trucks.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Oh my damn.
Speaker 8 (03:42):
Anytime you get stupped find the garbage trucks and they
just disrespectful like that. I know, everybody start blowing their horn.
I don't because there's nothing you can do in that situation.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
But if they don't have.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
No regard for people that got to get to go
where they gotta go, and they taking the little time,
report them a couple of minutes.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I understand, but literally, charlamage and I was between ten
and fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
People behind the truck.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
And you two blocks away from the two blocks away
from work, Come on, fifteen minutes, we're stuck.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Come on, man and YC three eleven.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
You don't know people in the emergencies and they're sick
trying to get to the hospital.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
You don't know what it is. Report them garbage trucks
that do that.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
And they was taking their sweet time. I'm sitting there, Yeah, wow,
how to.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Call on them?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
If a lot of dump truck workers are black, they're
not Mexican.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
But if we're thinking about somebody I could call.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
In that moment, that's what made me google and find
out about NYC three eleven, because in that moment, I
was just like.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yo, you literally google to who to call on the disk.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
We were there for fifteen minutes and had nothing to
do with disrespectful that washing to do.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
I wasn't even thinking about me.
Speaker 8 (04:35):
I was just thinking what about anybody else that might
be sick or trying to get to the hospital, trying
to get it was just bad.
Speaker 9 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Well, all right, well let's get in some front page news.
Let's start off with some quick sports. Now, last night
the Lakers tied the series. They beat the timber Wolves
ninety four eighty five, then to beat the Grizzlies one
eighteen ninety nine. They lead the series to nothing, and
the Pacers beat the Bucks one twenty three, one fifteen.
They lead that series in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
What's up to me?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's he up, y'all?
Speaker 8 (05:00):
Good morning, how y'all doing, Good.
Speaker 10 (05:03):
Morning, good morning.
Speaker 11 (05:04):
All right, well, let's start with something that is about
to hit people in their pockets. The Trump administration says
it will resume debt collection for people who have defaulted
on their federal student loans starting May fifth. Now, student
loan goes into default if you hadn't made a payment
in about two hundred and seventy days, or approximately around
nine months. The Department of Education says this will apply
(05:27):
to all federal loan types, including direct loans, perkin loans,
federal family education loans. So right now, more than five
million people are already in default and another four million
people are close to it. That means nearly nine million
borrowers could soon face really serious consequences. In a press conference,
(05:47):
Press Secretary Caroline leave it levittxcuse me explained how the
administration plans to move forward with collections.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Let's hear what she had to say.
Speaker 12 (05:55):
Borrowers will now be clearly expected to repay their loans,
and those who default on their loan obligations will face
involuntary collections. The government can and will collect defaulted federal
student loan debt by withholding money from borrowers tax refunds,
federal pensions, and even their wages.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Yeah, I thought they already did that.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
I know for a fact when I had school loans
and I got a tax refund, they automatically took that
to pay the school loans.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
So I thought that was already done.
Speaker 11 (06:23):
Well you know what they started it. They put it
back into session like right around COVID. So they haven't
pressed or went after student loan borrowers since before the
COVID nineteen crisis.
Speaker 10 (06:34):
And so now the Trump administration.
Speaker 11 (06:36):
Says it will start sending out notices later this summer
informing those who have defaulted on their student loans about
their wage garnishment. They can take up to fifteen percent
of your check.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
Again.
Speaker 11 (06:48):
All this starts on May fifth. And if you think
you might be in default the administration, they recommend you
contacting the Student Aid Default Resolution Group. You may be
able to get back on track by making monthly payment
and rolling in an income driven repayment plan or applying
for a loan rehabilitation. But this is about to hit
millions of people in about a week and a half.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
If you voted for Trump because of the economy, if
you voted for Trump because he was gonna put more
money in your pockets, you've got to be rethinking that decision.
That this of course, of course, but when you have
it's even been one hundred days, Lord have mercy.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
You're right.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
But when you have school loans, right, and when you graduate,
you have to look for a job, and then it
gives you a certain amount of time to find a job,
and at nine times out of ten, that job can't
pay for your rent. If you have a car, you're eating,
and then to pay that school loan. There's no possible way.
You can't afford to pay all those sticks.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Yeah, and if inflation is high, if people are losing
their jobs, if tariffs got to cost the goods high,
where people are gonna.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Get this money from? Exactly what wage you gonna gone this?
I ain't got none.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
You're gonna You're just gonna mess up my credit.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
But I can't pay you because it's either my rent
or it is gonna pay these cool loans. And which
way you're gonna pay? And if you got kids, I
gotta put food on the table. I'm gonna play the
school loans.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
Only fans selling ass twenty five cheek twenty.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Five hey, not only work.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
If you white? All right, well that is front page news, Mimi.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
We'll see you next hour, all right, everybody else, get
it off your chest. Eight hundred five eight five one
oh five one. If you need to vent, phone lines
are wide open. Eight hundred five eight five one oh
five one. Maybe you're driving to work. You were about
fifteen minutes twenty minutes from working, then you got stuck
behind it.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
We were gonna show fifteen twenty minutes from work. We
were three minutes from work. I know it's two blocks away.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Damn it many whatever it is, get it off your chest.
Call us up right now, phone lines wide open.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (08:33):
Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Wait, it's a day is
if you're time to get it off your chest, way up,
whether you're.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Mad or blessed, time to get up and get something.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
Call up now.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Eight hundred five eight five, one oh five one.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Hello.
Speaker 13 (08:51):
Who's this avenue?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Eben?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Good morning?
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Get one morning? What's up?
Speaker 14 (08:57):
Okay, I'm calling I'm let me get off my chance
at resting to what I was talking to this about
this morning.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
The student loans, I'm one of them.
Speaker 14 (09:06):
Yes, I'm one of those people that is like still
in distress. I'm a single mom. I graduated from college
not even using anything from my degree. By the lay,
I'm driving churchs now.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I rain't got my CEO.
Speaker 15 (09:16):
Probably making more money in the last four years doing
this than I ever would have made with that.
Speaker 13 (09:20):
He's papers car.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Look here, that's true.
Speaker 14 (09:23):
But the student loans about to kill me like I'm
struggling taking care of the tudor I got by myself.
Daycare is stupid high. I'm on my cousins in New
York to come to stay.
Speaker 13 (09:32):
And he just felt me with that.
Speaker 14 (09:34):
And I'm working sixty hours a week to maintain the
bills that I got, Like you said, I got a car,
I got ran, still trying to buy a house. And
now they're about the gardeners raging for student loans or
something that I'm not even using.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And that's what I was saying.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
It's like they got to come up with a better way,
because you I could barely pay my rent, bally pay
my car. No, bally put food on the table. If
I have a child, I gotta pay daycare. And then
you're gonna garnish fifteen percent. That's impossible.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
You can't do that.
Speaker 14 (09:56):
It's crazy. I don't even know how we want to
make it.
Speaker 15 (09:59):
Like I'm I'm straight. Took the gas every week, so
I would have worked at it that and now I
gotta paid. I got worried about you take the tea
for school that we're not even Oh my god, and
a lot of country school the scree education the.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Streme right, that is very true.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Well, you know what man, I really do hope that
people realize elections have consequences. And you know, I'm not
sitting there saying that, you know, the economy was any
better when the Biden administration was in, but it was, uh,
it was a little bit better than this.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
And I don't know if people know that if you
get married to somebody and they have school loans, their
school loans are now your school loans. So if you
get married to somebody and you get some money back
on taxes, they take that money to pay your partner's
school load. Ask me how I know, because when I
got married, gear had school loans. I did my taxes
and I thought I was getting money back. Nah, right
to the school loans her school looms. Yes, absolutely, Well I.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Needed to see if Chris finished how you was stayed
because I don't know you like, I only went for
like one semester, but I ain't got to pay that bake.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
If you only went for one.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Time, that you do, Yes, if you went, you gotta
pay because one semester.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
I sold crack, but you ain't got paid. Lose this
This is.
Speaker 10 (11:07):
Anonymous in Jersey.
Speaker 16 (11:09):
I don't know who's listening.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
So millions of people but you can give a fake name.
It's like nobody can see you.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Man, Melissa Pasta, what's up?
Speaker 14 (11:21):
So I'm mad because I am tired.
Speaker 13 (11:24):
I work three jobs.
Speaker 17 (11:25):
I'm not a single parent, but I'm tired and the
long crack it's.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Been effect mm hmm, all right, Josha, so good.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
That crop o, Tasha. I am praying for you.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
And then you know, there's there's nothing anybody can do
about this situation at the current moment. And the gap
between the haves and the have notch is so wide
in this country, man, and people are just trying to
make it every day. And this feels like these people
that are in positions of power, these rich folks, elected officials,
they do not care about, you know, people that are
not in the same tax bracket.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
As it doesn't even make sense. But between this and
even the late fees with.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Credit cards, right, people are usually latest because they're trying
to figure it out or they're waiting for their next ship.
They're gonna bring back the high rates for being late,
which affects nobody like you said to have it makes no.
Speaker 14 (12:20):
Sense, doesn't And I can never get through to man.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
Oh man, oh man.
Speaker 17 (12:28):
If this is the master, like you know, and you
know it's my husband, my mother be like bumping heads
because we all live together, and I do not know
what to do.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Well, hold on, hold on, Tasha, hold on, Tasha, hold on,
hold on. We're gonna put your whole We're gonna just
hold you down in a second.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Okay, I just want the record the show.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Not to make this political man, but you know, Trump
promised to make the economy better on day one, Like
if you run on things like groceries, which he said,
he said he won the election because of groceries. If
you ran on that, then you have to come in
and immediately try to bring some type of relief. He's
come in and just immediately hurt people ran more.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Right, get it off your chest eight hundred five eight
five one oh five one. If you need to vent,
hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club in the morning,
the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
This is your time to get it off your chest.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Eight hundred five eight five one five one.
Speaker 9 (13:22):
We want to hear from you on the breakfast Club. Hello,
who's that yo? What's up? Brother?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Get it off your chest?
Speaker 9 (13:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (13:30):
I just I mean, honestly, I want to talk about this.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Whole studio long thing they had to talk to us.
Speaker 13 (13:35):
Brother, I just I don't understand how y'all get on
the radio, specifically Charla Man and then he y'all are
telling these people, y'all have people scared out of here
about what's really going on. I just don't appreciate it.
If you borrow money, why you have to pay it back.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I don't understand that nobody's saying you don't have to
pay it back. But if if we're getting a loan
from the government and times are hard and times of
nobody saying they're not gonna pay it back. But if
you're gonna start garnish my wages and I can't pay
for my rent, you're gonna start garnishing my wages and
I can't put food on the table. If you're gonna
garnish my wages and I can't not just wages, but
(14:15):
not just wages.
Speaker 13 (14:16):
That's not the tax payers for that. We decided to
get along and we can't afford to pay it back.
We got to stop pushing the nine taking accountability.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
No, nobody's nobody's doing none taking accountability.
Speaker 13 (14:30):
Y'all have to stop.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
City City. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Let me ask you a question because it's his administration
doing it. Questions his Department of Education.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
When the automotive industry was going down, and the automotive
industry couldn't pay anybody and was defaulting on their loans,
the government helped them out right. When the airlines were
messed up and they couldn't pay their loans back and
they were messed up, the government helped them out right.
When all these billion dollar companies are messed up, the
government helps them out. All we asking for is little help.
Nobody say nobody gonna pay him back, but just help out.
(15:01):
Just look for the common people when they know things
are fed.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Up, and brother and brother can ask you a simple question.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
You told me not to blame Trump, but the Trump
administration announced one day they're the ones who are resuming
the debt collections for federal student loan borrows.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
So who else am I supposed to blame?
Speaker 13 (15:13):
Absolute? Absolutely, because again we have to start taking accountability
for the choices that we make. We have to like,
we can't sit here and take out federal funds and
then not expect to have to pay you back. That's
why American.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Yeah, but did you but talking about did you hear.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Talking about did you hear what V just said When
these big corporations need bailouts, when they take our big.
Speaker 13 (15:38):
Loans and the people, we can't keep looking at corporations.
We have to make our old our old decisions, and
our own choice.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
You're not making no sense. You're you're one of those
people who came up. You care more about the rich
than you do everyday working class people. You can't you
care more about the rich than you do everyday working
class people.
Speaker 13 (15:57):
You're rich? Stop telling people you are rich. You're rich.
Here is a completely different things than what you say
on the Brilliant Idiots started.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
You know why, you know, you know, you know, listen,
I care about every day working class people because those
are the people that listen to the radio every day.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He said you wasn't rich.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You said you wasn't rich. I'm I'm doing okay that
you keep.
Speaker 13 (16:16):
On the podcast.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I don't talk no different than than on Brilliant, not
doing breakfast class.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But this, but this is what you don't understand city life.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
You know it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
That's a damn lie. You ain't never heard me think
I will always be here for the working class.
Speaker 13 (16:29):
Get here in cap bro you can get over here
in cup all you want to. I'm a city wife
from Florida. All right, I'm out of here, bro.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
And this is what people, This is what he doesn't understand. Yes,
I might be okay now, but I was in the
same situation that all these people were years ago. I
was the one that was working. My dad, I say,
is a retired police officer. We didn't have a lot
of money growing up. But every little bit Maden and
for all these people out there, every little bit maddess like,
you cannot.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Do this to people where people are hurt, they're struggling.
They can't.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
They got to make a decision to pay rent or
to pay school loans. They gotta make a decision to
buy eggs or to pay school loans.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
A Daycad, it ain't.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Right when the government helped so many people, and Hope
helped so many nations, Hope homes.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Help your people.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
And you know what's so great, it's not even that
they just doing garnishing wagers. They're doing that the pensions
and tax reforms. So how can any person ever get
a freaking a step forward in this country?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He just raised the late fees for the credit cards
again like it. It's crazy. You can't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The people that are struggling, You just can't.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You gotta have all of the biggest most mad he was,
he does.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Didn't make no sense.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Now I'm blaming, and that's why I don't even like
to be I don't even like to say politics because
people think you on the side.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
The Trump administration is the one who's doing this. So
who else we supposed to play?
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Get it off your chicks, eight hundred and five eight five,
one oh five one. When we come back, we got
the latest for Lauren. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Good morning, the Breakfast Club, Good morning everybody.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
It's the j Envy, Jess, Hilary, Charlamagne, the guy we
are the breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
What's happening, And let's get to the latest with Lauren.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Lauren becoming a straight back.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
She gets them from somebody that knows, somebody gets to detail.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I'm a long girl that knows a little bit about everything,
and she'd.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Be having the latest on this, The.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Latest with Lauren la Rosa.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Sometimes you have fact, sometimes you have details, sometimes you
have a little bit of everything.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
So it's the latest on the Breakfast club talk to me.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Well, we now know that Shannon Sharp did try to
settle with his accuser for at least ten million dollars.
This was revealed yesterday by his attorney in a phone
call that they had with a bunch of different media outlets.
But prior to this phone call, and I believe what
sparked the phone call was the fact that there was
(18:44):
this audio released by TMZ. But in the audio is
a phone call between the accuser and Shannon Sharp. Let's
take a listen to the phone call.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I say, You're just gonna like get mad at and
you're just gonna hang up on me.
Speaker 18 (18:58):
So I feel like I.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
Ain't up on you.
Speaker 13 (19:01):
What it is?
Speaker 18 (19:02):
What does that even mean?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You want to be to me now? So I don't
want to be. Don't manipulate me.
Speaker 16 (19:09):
I know that if you said that one one more time,
I'll show you that I see you.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (19:17):
Well, I don't you know what?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh I don't want to be?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
True?
Speaker 9 (19:24):
Yeah you do.
Speaker 13 (19:25):
I don't think you have a choice in the matter.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
How old that girl you said?
Speaker 13 (19:29):
What?
Speaker 19 (19:29):
How old you? Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
She's in her early twenties now, like what twenty one?
Speaker 13 (19:33):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
She was in twenty twenty three. She was nineteen, So.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, she looks like she's like twelve thirty.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I mean to say, I have not seen the picture
showed just her. Oh wo show another pecko.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
You gonna have to call liights in a minute.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
She going her way to class right there she does.
She does it like a young college looks like a college.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So what happened was after this audio was released at
the same time, literally like moments apart, Shannon Sharp then
released a video statement, and in the video statement, he
is addressing.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
She's twenty two, by the way, twenty two.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Now he's addressing what he believes is about to happen,
but he doesn't address the audio. Let's take a listen
to his video that he posted, Shannon Chark, this is
a shakedown.
Speaker 16 (20:17):
This is all being orchestrated by Tony Busby, who is
targeted Jay Z. Tony Buzzby targets black men, and I
believe he's going to release a thirty second clip of
a sex tape that tries to make me look guilty
and played into every stereotype you.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Could possibly imagine.
Speaker 16 (20:32):
That video should actually be ten minutes or so, Hey, Tony,
instead of releasing your edit put the whole video out.
I don't have it, or I would myself. You know
what happened, and you're trying to manipulate the media. The
encountering question took place during the day at her invitation,
and now that appears to be able deliver setup coordinated
by Gavin also known as Karly on OnlyFans Gavin Tony
(20:53):
Busby want fifty million dollars. What they're getting is sued
for defamation and trying to take me down. My career
is all about real talking honesty, and I'm going to
be out there telling you whatever I need to say,
just like I always do.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
I love all of you guys.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It is a shakedown. It is a targeted attack.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
But Shannon needed to have some accountability because he gave
them something to shake down. He gave them something to
target by making poor choices.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, and when he so basically when he mentioned her
name in the fact that she's the Only Fans girl,
people went and look and looked her up. So that's
how her photos begin to surface. Now on this phone
call that his attorney had with the media. The phone
call the attorney Shannon Strump's attorney addresses that audio that
we heard first, and what he says is that Shannon
spoke in the heat of the moment and did not
literally mean the words. Then they start having conversations about,
(21:43):
you know, the like different text messages that have been released,
and I printed out the text messages for you guys.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
One of the things that I want to point out
here because basically what Shannon is saying is that there's
this video that's about to come out. They ask people
on this phone call with the media to not judge
because it's going to be and edit it format allegedly,
and so you won't get.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The full context.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
But Shannon had said earlier in his statement, the first
statement he released, that there were things that he was
doing almost like role play that was a He says
that this was at the woman's request. And from the
look of these text messages, so there's two sets of them.
The first text message that came out Gabby, who's the woman,
the accuser. This is from January second, twenty twenty five,
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and this is when she says that she was sexually assaulted.
So she's texting him and she's saying that she had
cried when he left because she had asked him to
put on a condom and she had begged him to
not put it in her behind, but he didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And she says that she doesn't care what their history is.
No means no, right.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Then she's like, I don't know how to process this.
And then they're like, you know, can I call you later?
I guess can they talk later? But then in other
text messages you see the conversation. It goes from that
to her sending text messages and say I want to
be abused, daddy. I want like some hardcore BDSM action
though so and then she says, I want you to
(23:03):
tie me up like this and abuse me, daddy, And
you can see when the sex messages were released, you
can see it says like from Gabby to owner. So
it's painting a picture that their relationship was giving that
you know, there was role playing everythings that were happening.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
Now.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
It was a very unfortunate situation, horrible situation. The shop
and his lawyer have handled this whole situation terribly. First
of all, if you're saying the shop, you shouldn't be
saying anything. He should Busby and this young woman got
audio video and text messages. If you know all of
those things are out there, you should shut the f
up and continue to allow your lawyer to do his job.
And your lawyer set out of his own mouth that
(23:42):
you was close to a ten million dollars settlement with
that girl, that right there is all the more reason
to shut the f up.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I'm not here to speak to Shannon's guilt.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Are innocent because I don't know, but I do know
attempting to settle looks like an admission to guilt because
I'm not settling, or.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm just scared. Honestly, he's just probably scared.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
I'm with you, man, I feel I feel like he's
being advised wrong right. And you know when people go
through this, they go to an attorney because the attorney
usually knows what's best for them.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
They do usually know what to do.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
And in this situation, like any attorney would say, shut
the f up unless deal with it in court. Let's
deal with facts, because you can't change public opinion unless
it's in court with facts. Now, but one thing I
would say if somebody said this, but I cried when
you left because I beg you to put a condom
on and you put it in my thief and you
didn't listen. I don't care what our history is. If
that didn't happen, I'm gonna be like, what the hell
are you talking about? Nah, we agreed on this. I'm
(24:30):
not gonna be like I'll call you later because I'm
feeling like this is a setup right here. As soon
as you text me this, I'm gonna feel a little
and nobody's just gonna respond.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
I'll call you that.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
He can be like, what the hell are you talking about?
We both agree to that, you know, like, but this
is part of the game. Like nobody's gonna respond with that,
which scares me. But like charlotmade said, shut the f up,
let it. Let the facts play out in court, because
right now all this talking is doing too much.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Audio and it's making it worse.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You're manipulating me. Like even that would have been like, oh, nah, okay,
I see what this is. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
But wouldn't you have.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Changed that right from the door? Yeah, Like what are
you talking about? Like no, no, no, like, like, let's
not pleas can were you taping me? Because last night
we was good with this, Like my opinion.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Well, his attorney is saying that these text messages all
only show that the woman in question likes and asks
for fantasy role playing in other forms of unusual sexual behavior,
and they shut down the idea that you know, they're
still denying any sexual sort allegations or anything that nature.
I did reach out to Attorney Busby though, because that
audio we listened to it wasn't in full. It was
(25:30):
like a minute, a little bit over a minute. I'm like, yo,
why would you only release that? And he said to me,
he said, I'm not trying this case in the press.
We released this only because Shannon Sharp's lawyer chose to
attempt to discredit in docs Jane Doe by releasing multiple
texts with no contexts. Did they release the entirety of
the text surrounding the ones from yesterday, which were the
original text in his In Shannon Sharp's statement, the audio
(25:51):
is very clear of the situation.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It speaks for itself.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
So I know one thing, if you're fifty four, you
have no reason to be talking to a nineteen year old.
She's twenty two. Now Shannon is fifty six. I'm so
glad that audio monique went viral yesterday because it's true
sit your old down and go find somebody your age
and build a family with them. As I said yesterday, men,
we need stability and we need D discipline, Right.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
You gotta have D discipline.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
But if he does not want because some people don't
want families, they're not built for that, just try somebody
in age bracket.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yes, that's it, because he apparently he already tried that,
you know what I mean, the family thing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But yeah, he just needs somebody his age.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Has she seen all seasons of a wire?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
She didn't.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Does she know any scarface albums?
Speaker 9 (26:36):
You don't even know what the hell it is? What
it is mean? She said, what does that even mean?
Speaker 13 (26:41):
Like she said that, like that.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
Would have made me head up in black ten years
old than me.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I got a six teen yearld daughter. I can't even
imagine having that conversation.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You know what, you know, I have a twenty three
year old daughter.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
And this girl looks young, she looks she looks like
she's on campus at University of Miami or like she
looks young young.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Well, we got to wrap up. We did have the
money audio, but we do have to wrap up. So
I mean, yeah, this is all the updates so far
in this situation. And I will say too, they said
that they were surprised that they were in the middle
of the mediation and then the lawsuit dropped, So I
don't know if that's why they're responding so frantically and
not making sense about their responses.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, so any.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Conclusion and middle of mediation to put out a press
release that ye're looking to sign a deal for one
hundred million dollars, but not because if I'm in the
middle of mediation, I hear you about to sign a
one hundred million dollars deal.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Oh, I'm gonna pull out and wait for you get
that deal, and I'm gonna ask for more money.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
If that's the case, I have not seen a team
handle something so poorly in a long time.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
The wish Shannon and his team are hands crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
All right, All right, well, thank you for the ladies
with Laura. Now when we come back, we got front
page news. Mimi will be joining us, Morgan's out, and
then we have Deffie Brown joining us.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
It's the breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Good morning, You're checking out the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Everybody's teach Envy just hilarious.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's get
in some front page news. Got up with some quick sports.
Lacers beat the timber Wolves. He tied the series last night,
ninety four eighty five. That then to beat the Grizzlies
win eighteen ninety nine. They lead the series to nothing,
and the Paces beat the Bucks. They lead that series
to nothing.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
What's up to me?
Speaker 10 (28:19):
What's up y'all?
Speaker 11 (28:20):
All right, well, let's start in Florida where GOP rep
Byron Donald's got an earful at a town hall earlier
this week. The crowd wasn't shy about pressing him on
the Trump administration and its controversial plans for the.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
Department of Government efficiency.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
He was asked, as a member of the Oversight Committee,
what oversights was he proposing on Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
Let's hear what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
I love how everybody shouting at meat.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
The black guy on Stags with Michael Bonner said saying,
how do.
Speaker 13 (28:47):
You reading this day?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Don't wife?
Speaker 9 (28:51):
And what I don't do that? Don't Mark, don't do that?
Speaker 13 (28:59):
Buns.
Speaker 11 (29:02):
So that was his response to the crowd asked him
about Dee I and about his pushback.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
So he pushed back and told.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
The crowd that as a black man, don't talk to
him about diversity, equity, and inclusion. But then when he
was he was talking about Elon Musk and Donald Trump,
the crowd had some booze and some other things.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
So let's hear what he had to say about that.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
The direction of the President of the United States.
Speaker 16 (29:26):
If you were talking about what Overside is doing, we
actually left the Those.
Speaker 13 (29:32):
Committee.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The Those Department actually finishes work.
Speaker 13 (29:36):
What they are examining right now is an deficiency in
a federal assistant. This is something that President we wanted
to do with President.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
So therefore he was not The crowd wasn't happy during
this town hall. They were trying to get Byron.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
To answer questions about Doge, about the Trump administration, and
the crowd in Florida, of all places, they really gave
him a hard time. Dozens of people left after voicing
their frustration with his answer. Now, Donald's is also running
for governor of Florida in next year's election.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
Listen, maybe people are out here hurting. So if the
economy is bad, people are gonna be mad. And if
you voted for Trump or you endorsed Trump. Like you know,
Byron Donalds did, people are going to hold you accountable
like that pain they're feeling in their pocket. They're gonna
project that pain onto you.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
So you got it.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
You know, Byron got to stay in ten told now
on his decision.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
And he's the face of it right now. So if
you're holding a town meeting, you are the face of
their frustration.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
So and speaking of abdulgent Elon Musk, Elon Mus said
he will take a step back from his work as
leader of the Department of Government Efficiency.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
He made the announcement on a call with investors yesterday.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
He said he will continue to spend a day or
two per week on government issues for as long as
the president will have him.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
But this announcement comes after a tough year for Tesla.
Speaker 11 (30:56):
The company's stock is down forty percent this year, and
earlier this week, it warned investors about the biggest drop
in sales history revenue for the first quarter, it fell
seventy one percent compared to the same time of last year.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
I wonder if that's gonna I don't think that's gonna
work for Elon.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
And the reason I don't think that's gonna work for
Elon is because he has chosen a side.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
He's chosen a political worldview.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
So the only thing, only way I think it's gonna
work for Testla if he steps down.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Period.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Definitely, he's definitely going have to step downcause people don't
want to drive Teslas anymore, and not necessarily because it's
not a good call, because it's actually a really good vehicle.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Because of Elon and his politics.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
But not only that, but when I'm driving around the
city and people are smearing dog poop on your car,
or it's because politics, they're giving your middle fingers, they're
flattening your tires.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Do you want to deal with because of and his politics?
So it's like, no, I don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
So I'm not gonna buy a Tesla When you got
people that's that's protesting outside of teslas, I don't want
to pull up there. If I drive one, I know
I'm gonna face consequences if I leave it on the street.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
We've loft this job because of els went in there
and slashed all those federal jobs. So when they see
those Teslas, the same thing with bids that Tesla represents,
Elon must correct so yes, the Elon Muskin is politics.
The only way things going to bounce back to the
Tesla is if Elon must steps down to CEO.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Agree with Teria.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
All right?
Speaker 11 (32:10):
So President Trump's hiss approval rating it is dipping. It
is at forty two percent, which is the lowest since
he has returned to office.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
Now.
Speaker 10 (32:17):
This is according to a new Reuter's pull.
Speaker 11 (32:19):
The drop comes after more Americans express concern over his
efforts to expand his presidential power, and the poll found
discomfort with Trump's push to punish liberal universities, his attempt
to appoint himself board of the chair of the Kennedy
Senator Now a large majority eighty three percent said the
president must follow federal court rulings even if he disagrees
(32:40):
with them. Fifty seven percent said it's not okay to
withhold federal funding based on political views, including that includes
one third of Republicans. Now, his approval rating was underwater
nearly in every issue, including immigration and faith, inflation, and
the rule of law.
Speaker 10 (32:57):
Three out of four respondents said Trump should not seek
a third term.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Something that is that the constitution bars, but he's been
floating anyway, and even among Republicans fifty three percent say
no to a third term, and fifty nine percent of
Americans say that we are losing credibility on the global
under global under his leadership on the global.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Economy, and it hasn't been one hundred days. Listen, you
can't have a bad economy and authoritarian rule.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Okay. If the economy was woman, people might let you
get the authoritarian rule.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
Oh okay, but you can't have both.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Yeah.
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Okay, thank you.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
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Okay, every right, everybody else, Debbie Brown will be joining us.
She has a new book, A Living in Wisdom, A Path.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
To Embodying your authentic self, embracing grief and developing self mastery.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Out right now, it's a Debbie Brown. When we come back,
it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Morning
everybody you seej Envy, Jess, Hilarious, Charlamagne to gud.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
My good sister, longtime friend, Debbie.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Brown is back here.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Good morning, the morning y'all.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Oh my god, how you feel on book publishing day?
I feel free?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Yeah, I feel so free. I've had a lot of
anxiety for the last few weeks. Wow, I know what's
like you know that creative birthing and like there's a
lot of like vulnerable stories in it, and you're like,
did I do that? Should I have done this? But yeah,
now I just feel free. It's here, it's done. I'm
proud of it. I feel great.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Living in Wisdom A Path to embodying your authentic self,
embracing grief and developing self mastery.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Tell us about that title, being a healer, being someone
that has been on their own spiritual journey for decades,
and being a teacher. I found that, you know, those
are the three things that really give you a feeling
of a well lived life. You know, when we're looking
for healing, or when we're looking for self actualization or
self awareness, all the things whatever we're looking for when
(35:44):
it comes time to grow, it's like, ultimately we're looking
to be the embodiment of our authentic self, to get
past the performance of like who we say we are
and actually get to the core. And then all of
being alive is to have grief a part of that.
You know, every day there grief, and whether it's losing someone,
which I'm sure all of us have or will because
(36:05):
that's what it is to be here, or it's you know,
the daily grief of bearing witness to everything that's happening.
Finding a way to embrace that grief is a part
of what it is to be human is I think
a really powerful shift in our growth and then walking
a path of self mastery, like looking to always not
necessarily like be better or prove things, but to just
(36:27):
deepen in what you already are, like Mastery isn't perfection.
Mastery is like the slow process of excellence of self,
you know, and only we kind of know what that
process is inside.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
I want to go back for people that don't know
Debbie's been here a long time ago. But for people
that don't know who Debbie Brown is, I want to
start from the beginning. If you don't know, Debbie was
a successful radio personality, one of the media personalities, and
at the top of her game decided she didn't want
to do it anymore. It wasn't like she was pushed out.
It wasn't like she had bad ratings. She just said,
you know what, I don't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Top of a game.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Uh, And then she started going on this healing journey
that Debbie was out in the clubs. She might have
got into a brawl tool, but we're not going to
go there. I'm talking about no idea Debbie Brown, and
I don't unders.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That it was done.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
It was just this is a healing journey. So I
want to a rebirth of rebirth. I want to go
to for people that don't know what made you say,
you know what? This industry is not for me. I
want to give this up. You were doing radio, you
were doing different markets, you just had a baby and
just said it's.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
At the top of your game. How did you go
from a woman in radio to just like, no, I'm
done with it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
First of all, I just have to say, and y'all
know this, Like, to me, radio is one of the
most incredible sacred ways to broadcast, because like you're really
in someone's head and body when you talk right like
they connect to you with their whole being. It's I've
always found it to be like a sacred responsibility that
makes you good at like everything else. I realized that
(37:58):
my purpose was evolving, and I realized that a lot
of the skills that I was amassing, like communication, connecting
with people, building community, I just kept getting very very
clear direction from God that I was meant to do
it differently and use it differently. And I felt like
I personally was going through so much Like while I
was still on the radio for many years, I was
(38:21):
like kind of secretly quietly getting certifications and like meditation
and breath work and spiritual psychology, like it was such
a huge part of my off the air life. And
I felt like, at least at that time because I
left the industry maybe almost ten years ago. At that time,
there was no blending of the two, you know, And
I was having situations where I was having wanting to
(38:42):
have these deeper layered conversations, and you know, I was
being told by the people I worked with, like, no
one wants to hear that. Like now we can't run
that on the air, Like ask more questions about dating,
ask questions about beef fast, you know, and for whatever reasons,
it's like what I had to give and what I
felt God wanted me to give, it was not valued
(39:05):
at the time.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
But you're so ahead of your time and now it's okay.
Now people are vulnerable. Would you see yourself coming back
to doing radio. I love radio because you were so
ahead of your time. Now we have those conversations and
it's not even the thing we talk about that people
are vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
It seems normal almost.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
She got the Deeply Well podcast.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, Black Effect Network.
Speaker 13 (39:24):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
And you know the interesting thing about Dev and I
want people to notice, like I met Dev and I
think O seven oh seven O eight the person Dev
is now she's always been. This is just to me
an evolution of who you've always been. You've always been
the same one in the room, you know, the one
in the room that people can go to for sound advice,
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the leader in the room saying, hey, let's go do this.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
We should be doing this. Like I've always felt that
in you. I've always seen that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Why you don't work here if you have order? She
was swayst co host for Oh No, I'm saying why
she don't work here at Fair east Side.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
iHeart dog.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Y'all when it comes to healing the way y'all have
been healing in this room, I am just so impressed
and inspired. There have been some beautiful, transparent conversations.
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Yeah, but you I love the chapter fifteen because we're
talking about that in a way healing accept.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Yeah, talk why that's important that you have to healing
and accept.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
You know, this is the thing about healing, right. And
I've worked in wellness and well being for over a
decade now, and I work with clients directly, I do workshops,
I run retreats. I've had a lot of access to
studies and data all around healing, around trauma, around all
of it. And I found, you know, from my own
journey and with others, it's like there's this misconception that
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you work on yourself to eventually be rid of everything
that's ever happened to you, and that then your life
will be perfect. That you'll go to therapy, that you'll
do somatic exercises, that you'll meditate, and then one day
you're going to just like everything in life is going
to feel so happy. That's not God's design, right, Like,
no feeling is more holy than the other. God wants
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us to know and experience and feel in real time
everything that crosses our path. And that means grief, that
means joy, that means you know, jealousy sometimes anger that
means fear. It's like all of it is part of
the human experience, and so when it comes to healing
a huge part of it is also accepting that the
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past can't change. For some of us, that can feel heartbreaking, right,
Like a lot of things have happened to so many
of us, so hundreds of millions in your life that
didn't get your consent. Maybe that you've never uttered aloud,
you know. Sometimes we carry things and we're thinking about
and ruminating and thought our whole life about the things
(41:54):
that have hurt us. And I think it's important for
people to know. It doesn't mean you're broken or deficient
or not healed because you still remember those things. It's
really about changing the way you relate to them. Some
things will absolutely never change, but when heal, it really
gets transmitted into wisdom where it doesn't feel like this hard, full,
(42:16):
painful charge inside of your body. Every time that memory
comes up, you're able to kind of look at it
from an observer's standpoint and be like, that happened, and
that really hurt, and God, that was hard. And I
have respect for what I've been through. I have self
respect for who I am and what I've moved myself through.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Hi, we got more with Debbie Brown when we come back.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
Her new book, A Living in Wisdom, A Path to
Embodying your authentic Self, embracing grief and developing self mastery,
is out right now.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
We have more of home when we come back. It's
the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning everybody.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
It's DJ Envy, just hilarious, Charlamagne, Na, God we are
The Breakfast Club is still kicking it with Debbie Brown.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Now, when you talk about working on yourself, what does
that mean for people?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Right?
Speaker 7 (42:57):
When people SA need to work on myself and then
they come back ten hours later. I worked on myself.
Speaker 9 (43:01):
I'm healed.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I'm healing. So what does so for somebody out there
that says, you know, I need to work on myself,
what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (43:08):
God, that's such a good question. And like that I'm
healed thing is so funny to me because people will
go to one therapy session and be like, Oh, I
did it, and it's like, actually, it takes eight to
twelve therapy sessions to have like a real you know,
cognitive breakthrough, or you know, you read one book and
it's like, yeah, yeah, I do this because this happened
to me and that's who I am. I think that's
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self awareness. But when you're looking to work on yourself
to transcend your experiences, there's a difference. Like Instagram has
given us so much language, a lot of people are
using it to manipulate.
Speaker 15 (43:43):
Now.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I hate the language when it's used the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I hate it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
I know, like it bothers the ish out of me.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Yeah, it drives me nuts because it's dangerous. Like to
be clear, it's dangerous people using certain mental health language
that haven't done the work, that don't know the work.
It's a manipulation tactic. It can be very harmful for people,
can be very narcissistic. None of those things are like devoid.
In the spiritual or the mental health space, all that
same stuff still exists. But when it comes to like
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working on yourself, I think at the base level, it's
noticing how do you feel when it's just you with you,
If there is anything inside of you that feels unmet, unexpressed, unheard,
If there's anything inside of you where you feel anxiety,
there is a charge in your chest, or there is
a rejection or a cringe. Those are things to notice
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because it's information that maybe something wants to rise to
the surface for your review. And I think when we're
working on ourselves, it's really about being willing to look
at the truth.
Speaker 16 (44:40):
Of what is.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
It doesn't have to be perceived as positive or negative,
it's just what is true right now, and then being
honest with yourself about it.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Well, talk about some of the mental health and mental
health things that you've been talking about that I feel
have been commercialized to a point where people are using
these terms but they don't really mean it right, So.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
Talk about that a little about to make dev go off?
Speaker 7 (45:01):
Now, Yeah, no, I want to talk about it, you know,
because it really bothers me because I hear people using
these terms, and I'm sure they don't even know what
these terms mean, right, Like you say, somebody, you just
gas lit me, And I feel like sometimes it actually
stops a conversation because sometimes when people hear those words,
they automatically say, oh, I ain't that I'm not talking
about that, especially in a workplace where you can't have
a normal conversation if somebody says something, because now when
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you hear those terms, that also comes after human resources,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Absolutely, Yeah, I mean there's just so much, and I
think people should really do like a lot of deeper
layers of research, right Like I think the Internet is
phenomenal in that the last five years, our consciousness has
raised so much since the pandemic because we have had
access to understand Hey, a lot of people have experienced trauma,
or a lot of people have experienced life frictions or
(45:48):
you know, deeply challenging relationships. But everyone is stopping at
like one graphic, right Like they're stopping at reading one
thing or asking chat GPT one question and then they
leave it there, you know, and it's like, so I
think a lot of terms like understanding, like a lot
of people are overusing the term like narcissist or narcissism right,
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not getting your way with someone or someone kind of
even being self focused, Like every single person alive has
some layer of narcissistic behavior. That's part of like the
human expression too, it's some self focus. But narcissistic abuse
is something entirely different. And those that have experienced understand,
like you get CPTSD from it, You get PTSD from it,
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you have changes in your body, your health decreases, like
it is a psychological warfare that is insidious and can
dramatically change the trajectory of your life. Now, if that
level of feeling isn't really happening to you, it may
not be narcissistic abuse, you know. And so I think
we just need to go deeper into the layers of
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the things that we're learning. And I will say people
that misuse language or use it as tools of avoidance
typically those are the people that usually are on the
other side and fit the other kind of definitions for
those things.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
One thing you told me one time that makes so
much sense, And I love the fact that you give
so many actual examples of how to.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
Do it in the book.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
You told me that when it comes to the language,
you can have the language and know what it is
you're dealing with. But a lot of people avoid the
actual healing, the healing work. So if you read the book,
there's a lot of different exercises that can walk you
through that actual healing process.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Why do you think, you know, people forget the healing
part once.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
They go to therapy because it's hard, you know, And
I think it and that's the thing that I really
speak to very clearly in my book. It's like, all
of this is hard. There is no tip or trick
to heal from challenging experiences, right, Like, I'm not going
to tell you, all right, do this five minutes every day. Yes,
five minutes every day will build your capacity, but you
(47:55):
need to stretch past the five minutes to devote actual
real time to the changes you want to see in
your life. And so, you know, something I talk about
in the book is like, there's a huge difference between
having self awareness and having higher consciousness or being embodied
in your self awareness. Self awareness is having the terms.
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It's going to a couple therapy sessions perhaps or reading
a bunch of self help books and saying like this
is what happened, and this is why I act like this,
and this is why this is this. But it doesn't
mean you're changing any of it, right, Like, it doesn't
mean you're taking it to the next step to behave
differently or to invite in different experiences with people. And
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that comes through practice, that comes through process. And so
in this book I talk about a lot like how
to Get out of your Way. A lot of people
have a lot of sophisticated language around avoiding themselves. You
can avoid yourself with anything. You can avoid yourself with therapy.
You're seeing the same therapist for ten years, and nothing
in your life changes what's going on in there, you know,
(48:59):
or you know, I see a lot of people avoid
themselves with religion. You can be a part of a church,
you can go there on Sundays and you can still
not know God, you can still not make better choices. Right.
It is daily practice. It is showing up in your
interpersonal relationships. It is having the hard conversations in real
time as they come up, and just being present with
all of it without expectation. You know, without trying to
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control it or make it go your way. And so
in the book, we have a lot of practices like
I teach meditation in the book, we work with mutras
in the book, which are hand positions that can really
elevate your meditation practice because your hand positions open different
energy channels in your body. There is breath work that
can be done in the book, and every single one
of those practices anchors in the changes that you want
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to experience because it shows you how to regulate when
you do get triggered, when you do have charge, and
so both are needed. You have to have the cognitive
and you have to have the somatic. You have to
have the spiritual, you have to have the physical. All
of it kind of beautiful goes together.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Hi, We have more with dev Brown when we come back.
Speaker 7 (50:03):
A new book, Living in Wisdom, a Path to embody
and your authentic self, embracing grief and developing self mastery
is out right now.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
We'll be back as the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Good morning and warning everybody is the ej Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne,
the God we are to Breakfast Club is still kicking
it with deVie Brown, Charlamagne.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
Why is meditation is so important?
Speaker 13 (50:22):
Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (50:23):
You know, and I think in some other maybe wisdom traditions,
some people might relate to it if you call it
reflection or if you call it moments for contemplation, But
meditation is the master healer because it gets you out
of your identity. And our identity is almost one hundred
percent made from like all of the culturally created beliefs
that we have, or our beliefs from our family of origin,
(50:46):
or you know, the things that we're influenced by via society.
And so when you're able to get out of all
those extra layers of like what your titles are, you know,
what the role you play. I'm a husband, I'm a wife,
I'm a someone's child, brother, sister, friend. When you take
yourself out of all of that, you actually get to glimpse,
like what am I designed to be? What was God's
(51:08):
intention for me of me before I fit into anybody's
box or any relationship. And so the thing about meditation,
and I really want to share this, you know, I
believe in trauma informed practice, and it's a little bit
different to hold that space within the healing community than
if you're not. It's recognizing that a lot of people
will have barriers to almost every healing modality that comes
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up because of some of the things that they may
have experienced. So in meditation, you're going through so many layers,
and the first time you try, the first several times
you try, it could be so hard and frustrating and
anger inducing and irritating to sit down and be still,
and it could bring up everything and make you feel
like you're failing at it, and then you want to
(51:53):
stop and then let me go do things I'm actually
good at.
Speaker 13 (51:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
That is literally me.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, that is I feel like I'm missing out on
doing something, or I can be doing this with this time,
or it's not working. It's like, so I grow to
be frustrated when I try to meditate. Man, so I
just need smoking and that. Yeah, well I mean that too.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
Smoking to meditate is like a great little collaboration and
yoga and stretching. But I'm so glad you said that
because I think that is almost everyone's response, but especially
if you have been through hard things. And what I
want everyone to know is that phase passes, and that's
part of what doing the work is, right. It's being
(52:31):
patient with yourself and witnessing yourself, especially when you don't
want to do it and it's saying like God, I'm
sitting here and I hate this, this is stupid. I
don't want to do this. Breathe, breathe, Okay, Okay, we'll
release open your body like you start meeting those feelings
(52:52):
with things that harmonize that experience for you. But eventually
the level you're aiming for is like higher and higher consciousness.
Higher consciousness means a greater ability to be what you
are designed to be on earth and to also extend
love and goodwill and compassion and power and influence to
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others for the higher good of all concerned.
Speaker 6 (53:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (53:16):
You also, you dedicated your book and I'm probably gonna
pronounce her name wrong to my Hascal May Haskell May Haskal,
And I didn't know who that was until I went
to go look it up. And she was a young
woman who was dismembered and encino. What made you want
to dedicate the book to her? And you said, I
pray you are free.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
I have to be really careful talking about this because
the trial hasn't begun yet.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (53:44):
She was a beautiful woman. I had the privilege and
the pleasure of meeting when my son started kindergarten and
our boys were friends. And so my son is in
first grade. So this just happened last year. And you know,
I'm sure the parents listening, Like, when your kids are
in kinder like, you're still very connected to the other families,
(54:05):
right because the kids can't communicate on their own, So
you're creating the play dates. You guys are getting together
for all the birthday parties, like you are seeing each
other almost seven days a week. She was the mother
of this sweet, beautiful little boy that was in class
with my son and two other sons. And her husband
is currently incarcerated for allegedly murdering her and her parents.
(54:32):
And her body was completely dismembered. Her head was taken,
her limbs were taken and not recovered. Her parents were dismembered,
and then their bodies were dispersed in the trash cans
in my neighborhood. There are whorors in this world.
Speaker 19 (54:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
I dedicated my book to her for so many reasons,
but it's really just like if someone takes your whole family,
who remembers you, you know, like I want wanted to
just honor the fact that she was here, that she
was alive, and that I will be thinking about her
every day of my life.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
Living in wisdom, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, Debbie Brown is
out today. I got a lot more questions. I just
don't know where I do.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
Well, okay, Wosa, Yeah? Does everybody need to have a purpose.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
I think everybody does have a purpose. I think what
we get wrong is that purpose has to be quantified
by something, or that it has to make money, you know.
I think, just like so many words are being appropriated
right now within mental health, I think other words are
being used for performance, for really self validation sometimes or ego.
Right like you hear people, well my purpose is this
(55:43):
or you know what's my purpose? And it's just another
thing that you are kind of mispouring yourself into. Purpose,
in my belief, is simply your lived experience and the
wisdom you've bleaned from it. It's the skills you've amassed
in any and everything you could have ever done. It's
your innate gifts, you know, the things that you have
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that God gave you, and it's then using it to serve,
putting it back into service for others and so you know,
it's like I could say my purpose is talking, right,
because I was a broadcaster for years, I lead meditation,
I communicate all the things. But really, like I look
at my purpose as like being able to be in
darkness with people. You know, I think my life's greatest
(56:26):
purpose is the fact that, like I'm not afraid of
the dark and I can be in darker moments and
not recoil with other people, that I can hold space
for that. And I think, you know, that may not
be the most glorious purpose. It's not the thing that's
maybe going to land me on a billboard, but it's
the thing that, like God trained me for. It's the
thing that my life has bloomed into.
Speaker 18 (56:47):
And I love it.
Speaker 6 (56:48):
I love that. I love how you break that down.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
And also you spoke to how people over use words
because half the time people don't even know how to
answer that question, well, what is your purpose?
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Like me, I still don't know what my purpose is.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I mean, I'm grateful for the woman that I'm becoming
in my spiritual growth and everything, but I still don't
know what my purpose is.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
And what if it's not just one thing, you know
what I meaningly.
Speaker 5 (57:11):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 9 (57:12):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, it's not, you know, and like it's okay.
Speaker 5 (57:16):
If finding your purpose takes your whole life, Yes, it's
the point of being alive. Like why do we think
we have to move so quickly through everything? That's the
validation piece, right, Like that's the wanting to be seen
in it or celebrated for it. But like if it's
your life's work, it is supposed to take your whole life.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Because my mother in law, my husband's mother, she literally
just told me she just found out where her purpose is,
and that is to take care of like to oversee
her granddaughter. I just gave her a beautiful granddaughter, her
very first grandchild. And that's what she said, holding a
baby like a few months ago. Oh, I know what
my purpose is now is to be here with my
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family and to take care of my family. Because she
was living out the country for decades.
Speaker 9 (58:02):
That him, that's him. You started.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
This moment, don't They're trying to say, I try to
she came, don't have nothing, She came over here to
take care of my child. Every day they joke about
her being Yes, literally, you know.
Speaker 5 (58:35):
Man, I understand the friction in this room. I get
like just.
Speaker 8 (58:40):
Because living in with them have to Embodying your authentic self,
Embracing grief and developing self mastery available everywhere you buy books.
Speaker 6 (58:50):
Now go pick it up. If you love the sound
of Dev's voice.
Speaker 8 (58:53):
If you miss her on the radio, you can go
get the audio version as well, and make sure you
subscribing her podcast, The Deeply Well Podcast on the Black Back.
Speaker 6 (59:00):
iHeartRadio podcast Network.
Speaker 9 (59:01):
Dev.
Speaker 6 (59:01):
You already know I love you to death.
Speaker 5 (59:03):
Thank you three, I love you big fan.
Speaker 6 (59:05):
Remember her knocking nobody up? That never happened. We have
to get back to that.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Give each other grace, even the oldest.
Speaker 6 (59:12):
It's the breakfast all the versions. Shout out to Debbie
brown Man.
Speaker 8 (59:16):
Make sure you're gonna pick up her new book, Living
in Wisdom of Path Embodying your authentic self, Embracing grief
and developing self mastery.
Speaker 6 (59:24):
Yes, flu to Debbie. All right, we are the Breakfast Club.
Let's get to the Latest with.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
Lauren be coming straight fast.
Speaker 9 (59:31):
She gets them from somebody that knows somebody detail.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
I'm a home girl that knows a little bit about everything.
Speaker 6 (59:38):
She'd be having the latest on you.
Speaker 9 (59:41):
The Latest with Laurence La rosa.
Speaker 19 (59:43):
Sometimes you have.
Speaker 8 (59:44):
Sometimes you have details, sometimes you have a little bit
of every time, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (59:51):
So Mss Tina Knowles revealed and sit down exclusively with
People magazine that she'd actually been battling and she's now
cancer free, stage one breast cancer.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Let's take a while.
Speaker 20 (01:00:02):
I'm doing great, cancer free, feeling great, and just feeling
very incredibly blessed that, you know, God allowed me to
find that early.
Speaker 9 (01:00:13):
Well.
Speaker 21 (01:00:14):
I struggle with whether I would share that journey because
I'm very private, but I decided to share it because
I think it's a lot of lessons in it for
other women. I wanted to make sure that they knew
how important it is not to slack on your mammograms
because you don't have to let this. I mean you,
we can ah catch cancer at stage one, it's even
(01:00:36):
stage zero. I didn't know that there was a stage zero.
I could have caught this at stage zero if I
had not missed my mammogram, but I did because of
COVID and as a result, it was stage one.
Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
It could have been stage zero.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
So you have to go get your mammograms.
Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
Well, God bless Unless you was able to catch it
early man.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
And I love to hear when when people talk about
their journey right, because sometimes people forget or they don't
talk about it enough, like, yeah, missed us, but she
was able to catch us four years later. Even with
Charlemage myself talking about colonoscopies. People need to go to
the doctor. You need to get checked out because you
need to catch it before it gets worse, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And I remember there used to be like an age
requirement for you used to have to wait to your
forty to get a mammogram.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Now you can get it like in your twenties.
Speaker 8 (01:01:22):
And I'm sure if you've got a history in your family,
they probably encourage you to go get it earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
So I definitely encourage and there's a young woman to
get them too.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
There another way. I thought there was another way of
doing a mammogram. I know there's one way.
Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
The women actually splashed down. Yeah, but then there's another
way to show us you don't even.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Have I wish there was another way though, like they
didn't have to like they have all the stuff. Yeah,
maybe he was holding here.
Speaker 22 (01:01:45):
I was.
Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
That was awkward, you know, just want to put it
in the machine or they keep it all awake when
they do that. So it's not like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
They said herts is painful her, Yes, it is painful.
Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Did knock you out? You're like, we're awake, but like.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
They like put pressure, they knock you off, put.
Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
You to sleep. Lets you unless you want to be awake,
have to sleep?
Speaker 13 (01:02:10):
Was quick?
Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
You know they put you to sleep.
Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
You knocked out?
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Wow, that's over my physical today.
Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
I cannot say that.
Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
I can say that talking about prostate exams, but you.
Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
Can't say that ridiculous. But I'm going today.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I know you.
Speaker 9 (01:02:35):
Just want to be texted.
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Went through? Why is having to.
Speaker 9 (01:02:43):
That's the case?
Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Well, she's so, Miss Sena knows is promoting her book Matriarch,
So she has been talking or releasing a lot of
the you know, different exscerpts from the book. And in
one of the the passages, she actually talks about uh,
Beyonce and jay Z and how Beyonce chose to be
with jay Z because she says, at the time, Beyonce
was actually dating another guy and.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
It was like really serious.
Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
But at the same time she had started dating jay
Z and Beyonce came to her she was dating she
wasn't in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
She was just dating. And she came to Messina and.
Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Was like, I don't know what to do because at
this point, like the I think both the guys that
came into Houston, at one point, she was like, I
need to make a decision.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
So Messina was like, well, how do you feel?
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
And she was like, I already knew what was jay
Z for her, and when they talked about it, it
was him, and that's where she decided to go. And
she was like, you know, they were young, just talking
on the phone, barely getting to spend time with each other.
He would come and do dinner at her house because
they couldn't go anywhere for real, and that's how the
relationship developed early on. She also talked about y'all remember
back in twenty eleven, when Beyonce got pregnant with Blue Ivy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
People were saying that she didn't deliver the baby. Yes,
Miss Tina for the first.
Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Time talked publicly about how she felt going through all
of that because she was told not to say anything.
Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Let's say, listen, I want to talk about saying and
the impact I had on a family. He said specifically
about just the room.
Speaker 21 (01:04:01):
Yeah, what was that like to hear people say the
most horrendous things and to call my whole family a lie,
you know, because we would all have to be part
of that conspiracy and lie about something so sacred it was.
It was one of the worst times in my life
because I couldn't say anything. My daughter was saying no,
(01:04:22):
because you're just gonna make the story bigger, so don't
say anything.
Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
It's gonna go away.
Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
But it didn't go away for a long time. And
it's one of the most painful things for me to
know that that people could just be that disgusting and
people just get to lie and they don't have to
suffer any consequences.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I knew Beyonce would be telling miss Taining like don't
say nothing, but just imagine being the mother having to
shut up and sit back and see because, like she said,
they will all have to be a part of it, right, Yeah,
And this is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
What this girl wanted. That's what she wanted for a
while a long time, and y'all talking about this fate.
Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
She also got into details of like Beyonce and Jase's
wedding and talked about how they had to do it
so private because again they didn't want it to get out,
so they literally had to do it inside of a
house and Miss Tina and Jay's mom cooked the food.
Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Like everything had to be so private, so sacred.
Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
She also, for the first time in this book, talks
about her split from mister Matthews and let me make
sure I get mister in there.
Speaker 19 (01:05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
So she She says that they were married in nineteen
eighty divorce in twenty eleven, but it was because he
was a really, really horrible cheater. He actually had a
baby within their marriage and that was like the last
straw fold.
Speaker 13 (01:05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
She said that, like.
Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Two thousand and nine is when he had the baby
on her. But before that he would do some crazy
things when they came to cheating, and she would take
them back every time because she kind of just couldn't
let it go. And then when that happened, she was like, Nah,
I can't do this, and it actually thought about getting
together at some point, but she was like, she knew
that the girls would be upset at him.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
He has other kids outside of Beyonce and Solange. Yeah, no,
where that baby, the baby that he had, it's it's uh,
it's a boy. I think it's his son.
Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Let me look this up. He has side of Beyonce
and Solan. She has Nixon, Alexander Knows and Cooy Michael Knows.
Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
So two kids, yes, two sons.
Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
You know Tina named Beyonce and Solange because them names
sounded regular.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Regular, right, Okay, yeah, yes, the matriarch is now out ye.
Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
And it's all about miss Tina's life and not just
Beyonce and Solange and that, but really about her life,
her upbringing. She talks about, you know, watching her brother
almost get killed by the cops at one point, and
just yeah, it's a lot that you learned about her
and watching her talk throughout the interviews too.
Speaker 7 (01:06:40):
Matthew Knows. Mister Matthew Knows is not doing any interviews
anymore because he doesn't like when people talk about his
personal life, like they put questions not to ask and
how could you not ask these questions.
Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
When you know Tina Knowles talks about the Missina Knows.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Talks about it and what else is we going to
ask you?
Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Well, I interviewed mister Matthew Knows about he He has
a cancer company that he works with helps people find
like help and aid when you're going through like cancer,
and different things, and we had a very great conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Beyonce never came up and he was super nice.
Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
He wasn't allowed to ask about it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I didn't want to, you know, I.
Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
Was waiting.
Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I'm like, y'all gonna let me just say I did
want y'all know I wanted to, but he was.
Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
He was bragged about it, like it didn't come up
once better not.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Happy birthday, John Cena. Get that it's John the birthday.
Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
He just broke the record too.
Speaker 8 (01:07:34):
He's I think he's he's been w W champion seventeen times,
broke Flair's record.
Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeap, he follows me on Twitter. Isn't that right?
Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
Really?
Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Johnsy Hey, y'all, I know that's right. You're having some
of the most random like wait potential no, no, no
like that, like what what?
Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
Don't get the days up?
Speaker 13 (01:07:52):
Next? Right?
Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Yesterday?
Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Who getting down too?
Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
Man?
Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Before after that hour? We need the US Apartment of
Education to come to the congregation. We'd like to have
a word with him.
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Places all right, we'll get to that next.
Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
It's the breakfast club.
Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
If you're locked into the breakfast.
Speaker 22 (01:08:03):
Club, your execution on the donkey of the day is
something to go for the reason they gave me donkey
other day and I deserve that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
You need to know, you need to tell them, I
am you have tell them.
Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
It's time for donkey of the day.
Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
It's a reed.
Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
But you're so good at Charlomagne.
Speaker 9 (01:08:23):
Want Charlomage as.
Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
Solomame?
Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Who do you give a dusky the other day?
Speaker 13 (01:08:28):
Soon?
Speaker 16 (01:08:29):
Now?
Speaker 9 (01:08:30):
Well?
Speaker 8 (01:08:31):
Sexy red donkey today for Wednesday, April twenty third goes
to the US Department of Education, who under the Trump
administration announced on Monday that they will resume debt collections
for federal student law and borrowers who have defaulted on
their debts. So millions of borrows are at risk of
having federal payments are portions of their salaries without in
the coming months because the White House said it can
(01:08:53):
and will take borrowers wages, pensions, and tax refunds.
Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
Let's go to KAA NBC five for the report Please.
Speaker 23 (01:09:00):
Major whiplash for millions of federal student loan holders. For
the first time in five years, the Department of Education
will start collecting restart collecting, that is, federal student loans
in default. Student loans go into default after two hundred
and seventy days without any payment. The Trump administration said
in a statement quote, there will not be any mass
(01:09:23):
loan forgiveness.
Speaker 12 (01:09:24):
The Trump administration has announced we will put an end
to Joe Biden's illegal loan bailout attempts.
Speaker 23 (01:09:30):
Loans have been on pause since March of twenty twenty
because of COVID nineteen. The Biden and Harris administration even
tried to cancel the debts.
Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
Of millions of borrowers.
Speaker 23 (01:09:41):
Now, the Trump administration says the previous administration did not
have authority to cancel that debt, and it will start
collections as soon as May.
Speaker 12 (01:09:52):
Fifth debt cannot be wiped away. It just ends up
getting transferred to others. So why should Americans who didn't
go to college or went to college responsibly paid back
their loans pay for the student loans of other Americans.
Speaker 8 (01:10:04):
I didn't go to college, so I don't have student
loan debt, so this won't impact me. But that doesn't
mean I'm not gonna care about this, Okay. The reason
I care about this is because I care about people,
all right.
Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
Period. It doesn't matter what your financial situation is.
Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
If you live in a country where people are barely
getting by, that is not gonna make for a pleasant society.
Not to mention, working class people are a benefit to
our business. Okay, working class people who are listening to this.
They're the ones who listen to the show every day.
Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
They are the people who buy books, they come to
the comedy shows.
Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
They'll spend their harder money to be at the Black
Effect Podcast Festival they Saturday in Atlanta. And every working
class person in this country should be able to pay
their bills and have a little left over for recreation. Okay,
they should have some money for leisure activities. And if
you're voted for Donald Trump because he promised to make
the economy better.
Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
You gotta be scratching your head right now. Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Donald Trump said he was gonna make the economy better
on day one. What all he's done so far is
cut federal programs that benefit working class people, put elon
muskin charge.
Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
To fire a bunch of federal workers.
Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
This half assed trade war that's going on, that's hurting
our wallets and four one K plans, and now the
White House is bringing more pain than millions of Americans
by restarting debt collection for student loan borrowers.
Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
Who have fallen into default.
Speaker 8 (01:11:16):
I hope that you all realize this is just politicians
playing with the lives of people again. Right I was
reading an op ed that Linda McMahon wrote in The
Wall Street Journal, and she blamed the Biden administration and
universities for making empty promises to students.
Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
While pocketing their loan dollars.
Speaker 8 (01:11:31):
She said, greedy colleges have profited massively from Biden era
forgiveness measures. When I read that, I said to myself, Oh,
the American people once again have to suffer because of
this pissing contest between Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
See.
Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
I hate when political parties do that.
Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
If Republicans do something that's good and benefit people, dim
should let it stand. If Democrats do something that's good
that benefits people, Republicans should let it stand. Linda McMahon
said colleges profit massively from Biden era forgiveness loans. Well,
there are plenty of corporations, institutions, and people in the
Trump administration who profit massively from things y'all do too.
(01:12:07):
I honestly don't care as long as the working class
people are getting some relief. When the rich get richer
and the poor don't get a devil damn thing.
Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
That's not good.
Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
But if the rich get richer, and people are able
to get some money in they pocket too so they
can live, that's a beautiful society.
Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:12:22):
And I don't want to hear you idiots say no,
they gotta pay these loans back. You can't get a
loan and not pay it back. Sure, but how come
there is never that sense of urgency to pay loans
back when it comes to these corporations.
Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
Two thousand and eight financial crisis, US government bailed out banks,
AIG got one hundred and eighty two billion, City Group
got forty five billion in TART funds and hundreds of
billions in loan guarantees. Bank of America got forty five
billion through the TART program. Those were loans. Two thousand
and nine, Auto Industry GM got fifty billion in federal aid,
Chrysler got twelve billion. GM filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy
(01:12:56):
and had over thirty billion in debt wiped out. What
about during COVID Delta, United American Airlines OH got billions
in payroll support and loans. And my point is I
don't ever hear or see about these corporations getting pressure
to pay money back the way we are so quick
to do American citizens.
Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Yes, I'm glad all.
Speaker 8 (01:13:14):
These institutions were able to stay afloat. We need those institutions.
We need the airlines, we need the banks, but don't
we need the American people too? Is it really going
to hurt us as a country if we don't garnish
the wages of student loan borrows, if we don't take
from their pensions their tax refunds. Is it really going
to make or break us as a society if we
choose to simply let those folks be.
Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
For the time being.
Speaker 8 (01:13:34):
Why at a time like this, with the Department of
Education and the Trump administration be doing this because it's
not about what's right, it's about revenge.
Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
I'm not a Joe Biden fan. I think his legacy
is trash.
Speaker 8 (01:13:45):
But the student loan forgiveness that he provided was great, Okay,
one of the better things on his resume. But Donald
Trump is hell bent on wiping his ass with Joe
Biden's resume. It's that simple, and we the people have
to suffer because folks have political scores to settle. Please
let me be ma give the US Department of Education
the biggest he hull he ha he ha.
Speaker 9 (01:14:07):
You stupid mother, Are you dumb?
Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
That's what we said earlier. It makes no sense none whatsoever.
Speaker 18 (01:14:14):
They deserve that.
Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
All right, well, thank you for that donkey of the day, Yes, ma'am.
Now when we come back, Olyncia Johnson will be joining us.
She has a new book called Flip the Tables, and
we're gonna talk to her next.
Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
What's the whole No, what's the whole book?
Speaker 13 (01:14:27):
Name?
Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Clip the Tables?
Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Know what Clip the tables?
Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Because every days this guide to finding courage and make
him change.
Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Your book title better be shorten than the way you
becoming that is. I'm going back and forth with them
right now. We'll talking about oh you need a sub title,
and why.
Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
That's what it should be called, and why its club coded.
Speaker 9 (01:14:51):
It's some breakfast club.
Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Morning everybody in steej Envy just hilarious.
Speaker 7 (01:14:58):
Charlamagne the guy, we are the breakfast this club low
on La Ross here as well, and we got a
special guest.
Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
In the building.
Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
Yes, indeed, her new book, Flip the Tables is out
right now. We have Alynsia Johnson. Welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
How you feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
That's so good.
Speaker 22 (01:15:12):
Interesting to say that in the midst of everything going on,
but that's good taking care of myself and getting this
message out.
Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
We find enjoy what we can, right right, we have
to you got to the Way to Surviving.
Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (01:15:22):
I love the title of your book because I think that,
you know, people don't ever expound on that part of
Jesus enoughing.
Speaker 18 (01:15:28):
You know what I mean that crank Jesus.
Speaker 8 (01:15:30):
Yes, flip the tables that every day disrupt this guide
to finding courage and making change?
Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
Break that title death.
Speaker 22 (01:15:36):
Yeah, you know, I'm glad you mentioned that reference. I'm
Pastor's daughter.
Speaker 18 (01:15:40):
I love that story of Jesus.
Speaker 22 (01:15:41):
And in all of my work, I've worked on a
lot of presidential campaigns, I've worked for a Planned parenthood.
People constantly ask me, oh my goodness, how can I
make change? They think it has to be at this
massive scale. But what I realize is that when we
find the courage to really be ourselves and to live
in our truth, and to speak up and rooms and
do these small acts of disruption every single day, it
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doesn't actually require folks to quit their jobs.
Speaker 18 (01:16:06):
And run for office. So I don't think a lot
of people should do that.
Speaker 22 (01:16:08):
It doesn't require us to be like doctor King or
you know, having these massive platforms which are really important.
But there are things that folks can do every single day.
And I found that getting connected to your individual purpose
and having the courage to be who you are is
directly connected to being an everyday disruptor that propels our
communities forward. And I think it's kind of divine that
(01:16:29):
it's such a time as this that it came out
when I started writing this book five years ago, and
who knew that it would come out three months after
a few months after Donald Trump was elected.
Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Again, you worked on the VP's campaign, right, and you
do work? You worked with Barack, Yeah, I worked on
I worked by A.
Speaker 22 (01:16:46):
Lama's campaign, Jo Biden's campaign, was with Born's campaign and
Vice President Hair's campaign.
Speaker 8 (01:16:50):
What bothers me is, I know people like you exist
in people like you work for these individuals.
Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
Why aren't they disruptive enough? Why don't they flip tables?
Why do they? Why did they don't? Why don't why
don't they have the courage to disrupt the status quot
All of them, all of them.
Speaker 22 (01:17:06):
Well, you know, it's interesting because I don't I don't
want to say I look at well, I don't think
I look at all of them.
Speaker 18 (01:17:12):
In essence the same.
Speaker 22 (01:17:15):
In democratic politics and politics in general, elected officials, I
think tend to follow a certain path, right, and sometimes
it seems as though making sure that the status quo remains.
I do think, if we step back a little bit,
Barack Obama was a bit of a disruptor because him
because his ID, his identity, but and because he you know,
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folks told him he shouldn't have ran, and he and
he did. Right Now, there's a whole system at play
that folks. You know, when you become the president of
the United States or nominee for the President of the
United States, you know you uphold this party platform. But
the reality is I don't look at them to disrupt
what our country needs politically. I actually look at as
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the people in the ground swell. Which is why it's
just as important. Yes, I work for a lot of
presidential campaigns, but just as important to work for these
local races, to work for these primary races, to work
for these governors races, all these people who are actually
trying to challenge the system and get more reflective folks
in position to actually push forward the policies who care about,
(01:18:21):
like universal health care and racial justice and access to abortion,
all those things. And so you know, it takes a
lot of courage to shake the table, and it takes
a lot of courage to concede that if you're going
to shake the table, you actually might lose in the
short term, but you're going to create a path for
other people to push forward that change, and it will
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be a little bit easier because you were there and
you started something.
Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
How did you get into politics? What got you into
politics in that party?
Speaker 22 (01:18:47):
Again, I think it was always in me. I talk
about my late grandmother in the book often. I actually
dedicate the book to her, Miss Ozella Bennett, and she
was one of those people who, much like a lot
of our ancestors, their names aren't history books, but they
were foot soldiers. My grandmother was in the church. I'm
the daughter pastor, so I grew up in the Black Church.
And there's a lot of politics there, right, a lot
(01:19:07):
of social justice there, and just this understanding that were
much as given, much is required, that my gifts are
not my own, and that they are actually on loan,
and that I actually have to get those out and
help the world around me.
Speaker 18 (01:19:19):
And my grandmother, no matter.
Speaker 22 (01:19:21):
How much she had or what she didn't have, she
always felt like she had to stand in the gap.
And voting for me is just all I mean. I
would go to with my parents, who the voting blu
that had that little sticker, But that was just like
one part of it. I had to be an active
participant in the world that I wanted to create, and
so for me, it was just kind of natural that
it would be a part of my life.
Speaker 18 (01:19:41):
Now, how I got to my position I talk about.
Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
In the book.
Speaker 22 (01:19:44):
I didn't know anybody in democratic politics when I moved
to DC. I was working a corporate job. I just
had a dream.
Speaker 18 (01:19:49):
I was like, Oh, this black man is president.
Speaker 22 (01:19:51):
I think I kind of want to work for his
reelection campaign and figured out how to network with folks
and ended up taking a job that I wasn't even
qualified for, but they took a chance on me, and
I figured it out from there. And I can't just
sit on the sidelines and critique something and not be
a part of it. And I also understand how engaging
if so many more of us engaged in the process,
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the outcomes will look different, our communities will look different.
But for whatever reason, there are so many barriers for
us to engage. And that's another reason why I wanted
to be part of this, because I felt like, well,
if I can do this and people can identify with me,
maybe it won't feel as hard for me to engage
in politics. Maybe you know, I won't feel a shame
that I don't know every single term that they're using
or every single way that the policy is defiled.
Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 22 (01:20:34):
Sometimes when I have to go and see it MSNBC
and talk about something, I got a research what I'm
talking about because government class was in high school.
Speaker 18 (01:20:40):
I'm thirty seven years old. I don't remember everything.
Speaker 22 (01:20:43):
And so if I can't remember all these things, right,
if I have to continue to inform myself, imagine all
the other people who are just scared to participate because
they don't know. It's not that they don't want to,
and so I know that I have to be a
representative of that. But I also, again, is this calling
where much as given, much as required, and I'm required
to make my communities better.
Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
I think right now, with politics and like how we're
seeing people get messages out through like TikTok and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Things are changing.
Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
And I saw an interview that you did where you
talked about you weren't the most qualified, but you were
the most recommended when it came to working for the Obamas.
And then I saw another interview where you talked about
your red Flag is You chapter in your book, and
putting both of those together, I think that there's like
a renaissance of like new political leaders, but they're afraid
that they don't know enough for it, that they can't
challenge the trumps of the world, you know what I mean.
(01:21:28):
So how do you speak to those leaders that are
coming up in this book? Because they're there, they just
need to figure out how to do what you did.
Speaker 22 (01:21:34):
No, they literally are there, which is why I start
the book with the disruption of self right. We actually
have to look in the mirror, and that's the hardest
thing to do. One thing that I've realized in working
and advocacy spaces and political spaces.
Speaker 18 (01:21:46):
I'm not controuble for saying this.
Speaker 22 (01:21:47):
But we're telling the world to treat us well and
to vote for us to enact these policies that see
us as worthy for humanity and all of these things
and fighting for justice, and yet we're not treating each
other well.
Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Right.
Speaker 18 (01:22:00):
A lot of that is because we are not healthy.
Speaker 22 (01:22:02):
We're not dealing with the things that are holding us
back from being who we are. We're not dealing with
this trauma, and we're doing this interpersonal harm that is
actually not allowing us to do the work that needs
to be done for communities. And so I put that
chapter the Red Flag is You and the Disruption of
Self section of the book because so many times we
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are the ones that are getting in our own way.
And that's why, you know, the only things stopping us. Sometimes, yes,
there's the system, right like, there's all of that, and
yet at the same time, sometimes it's us getting in
our own way.
Speaker 7 (01:22:33):
I we have more with Alynsia Johnson when we come back.
Her new book, Flip the Tables is out now. It's
the Breakfast Club, Good Morning Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy,
Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, thea God. We are the Breakfast Club.
Laura Laarosa is here as well. We're still kicking with
Alynsia Johnson. Her new book flip the tables is out
right now, Lauren?
Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
What about your because I know you did a lot
of work with planting parents who and now a lot
of what you were doing is they ain't supporting that.
So when you do all this work, you stopped taking
the rest to fight to make it, to break this ground.
And then you see this new administration come in who's
completely against it, and it's stripping all of that. You
feel defeated or like what happens now? Because you're not
(01:23:12):
there anymore?
Speaker 22 (01:23:12):
No, I mean, and then they have the audacity to
talk about they want to put policies in place for
people to have more babies and give people five thousand dollars.
I'm like, but y'all voted against the child tax credit.
So what's interesting about working at Planned Parenthood? I worked
there for six years at the National Office, and talk
about disruptive, being the daughter of a pastor, a lover
of Jesus and advocating for abortion rights. People are like,
(01:23:34):
how do you reconcile that? I was like, I just exist, literally,
I just exist. And the teachings of Jesus, the ret
text in the Bible tells me a lot of ways
in which I should show up in the world. When
I look at when I was working at Plane Parenthood,
President Obama was still in office, and I was like, oh,
we're good.
Speaker 18 (01:23:50):
You know, he believes and reproductive freedom.
Speaker 13 (01:23:52):
This is great.
Speaker 18 (01:23:52):
And they're like, oh no, let's look at.
Speaker 22 (01:23:53):
These state policies and these states that are overturning the
right to access to abortion, not only access to abortion,
but sex education, contraception, all of these things, and just
gutting healthcare systems and health centers that are helping people
who have nowhere else to go. When I look at
what's happening now at the federal level, and you know,
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the Trump administration is literally going after organizations like Planned Parenthood,
it reminds me that these people do not care about
people at the margins. They do not care about low
income folks who have nowhere else to go. And if
you actually wanted people to have more children in this country,
would you would actually support and bolster the healthcare system
instead of gutting it. Last week was Black Maternal Health Week,
(01:24:41):
and Black maternal mortality is on the rise. Maternal mortality
across the country, across the demographics is on the rise.
And the wealthiest nation and so it's challenging, it's frustrating.
There's this Alice Walker quote I put at the beginning
of the book, and I'm paraphrasing it. You have to
keep a healthy soul on the face of constant of depression,
which reminds you that at the end of the day,
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there's going to continuously be something that you're fighting for.
So how do you maintain your spirit in order to
keep going? And that is through the joy and the
rest and all of those things can coexist together while
you're also still fighting for the ability to have agency
over my body. The one thing I will say of
everything being burned down, from abortion access to everything that's
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happening in our country, it gives us the opportunity to
build something better and something new. I don't want to
rebuild the old, because the old was clearly it was
able to be dismantled. I actually now want to be
able to imagine something even better that's actually going.
Speaker 18 (01:25:39):
To work, and how do we build that? And that's
actually what gets me up at night.
Speaker 22 (01:25:43):
I'm like, I'm not fighting these people to rebuild what
didn't work. I have this vision that excites me to
build something even better. Even on the days that are
hard and.
Speaker 18 (01:25:54):
That's too simple.
Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
Even going back to the urgency, and now when people
ask us now, they tell us all of these different
things that Trump is doing every single day, and they're like,
what what do you think of that? And I'm like,
I don't know what to think because I'm like, what
am I even supposed to do? Because it always seems
like the urgency is put on we the people, right,
But then when these elected officials that we voted for
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from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, when they were
in the White House, they didn't govern with a sense
of urgency. That's what always gets me about Democrats. Whenever
it's election time, it's a sense of urgency. It's on y'all.
It's just threat to democracy and you know you're gonna
lose all your rights and everything else. But you don't
govern like that when you get an office.
Speaker 18 (01:26:31):
Yeah, you know, it is frustrating.
Speaker 22 (01:26:33):
I will say, I don't pay attention to what that
man is doing all day every day, because then I'll
just sit in this place where I'm immobile. Right, But
I do look for small pockets of hope, and to
your point, it does end up being us that have
to save our own communities. But like I think that's
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in general nature of who we are as a people,
and that is community. I mean, look at you know,
our friends who started State of the People, which I
was a part of, you all broadcasted and now it's going.
Speaker 18 (01:27:02):
Now there's a whole tour.
Speaker 22 (01:27:04):
Shout out to Angela Rye and Joy Read and so
many folks who are just building something beautiful, reminding us
of our power as community. And I think out of
that birth's people who will govern with urgency of now.
So I write about Aana Presley in the book, but
I also write about Shirley Chisholm, who was just fed
(01:27:25):
up and was like, oh, I'm going to actually be
the one that changes.
Speaker 13 (01:27:30):
You know.
Speaker 22 (01:27:31):
David Hogg, who was the vice chair of the DNC
but was a survivor of Parkland shooting. It's done all
of this activism and now he's challenging. He's getting a
lot of heat.
Speaker 9 (01:27:44):
He's getting a lot of heat.
Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
I have said that.
Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
I said that two months ago. Anybody who's not willing
to fight in the Democratic Party should be primary Kim Jeffries,
Choke Schuma, y'all should resign.
Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
If y'all not the people that can meet this moment.
Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
I really feel that way, and anybody else in the
Democratic Party who's not willing to fight should be primary.
Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
I'm all full with David hag Doing. I said that
months ago, and.
Speaker 22 (01:28:06):
Listen, you know there are some people who disagree with that,
but he said looks and change has. We can't just
keep talking about change. You gotta actually go after and
whether or not you believe and what he's doing, whether
or not you believe that there needs to be new leadership,
whatever it is like, changes don't just happen with we
sit around and wish for it.
Speaker 18 (01:28:24):
We actually have to do something about it.
Speaker 22 (01:28:25):
And sometimes in order to get these folks to operate
with some urgency, you gotta put some pressure and some
cheat under them.
Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
That's why everybody in the party should have had a
copy of this book. Flip the table a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
I don't know if they're going to do it though.
They have no choice now, They never never don't have
When do.
Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
We ever have a choice?
Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
No, there's really no choice now.
Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
I feel like it's always a fight or fight, like,
do what you got to do to get out of situation.
It's different, I could be, but I feel like it
is different, but I don't feel like anything has changed
about the way that people are handling it. I don't
really feel the sense of urgency. There was an interview
that you talked about Di You're like, these companies are folding.
It was a Glamour magazine and you said, these companies
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are foting. They don't understand that the proximity to the
president isn't power. Power is showing him that he needs you.
People are not going to do that. Everything that we're
talking about, people just don't do it, you know.
Speaker 22 (01:29:15):
But I think what I hear you and I do
have to remind us all that this man has only
he hasn't even been in office one hundred days. But
because we are in such an information overload forever, it
does like you open Instagram and I'm saying restaurants I
want to go to, and then I'm seeing what this
man is doing in the White House, right, So like
we're in this information overload and yeah, and at the
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same time, I think about at the State of the Union,
shout out to Congressman Green and y'all had him up here,
and I was like, oh my gosh, every single Democrat
should have gotten up right after him and disrupted the
entire speech, right and then when you know Senator Booker
did his filibuster, people were saying, Yes, this is what
(01:29:57):
we need more of. And now you're seeing more people
in the streets, and I think people are are some
of our elected officials are understanding that there's more that
they can do now, and then there is still going
to be some who don't.
Speaker 18 (01:30:10):
And we have midterm.
Speaker 22 (01:30:10):
Elections and special elections, and I am all about getting
people in office who are going to be effective and
also us participating in that. If you, whether you agree
with them or disagree with them, if they represent you,
you have the power and the right to show up
and tell them what is working and what isn't working.
And I want more of us to do. I want
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our elected officials to be scared. I want our elect
officials to be like, my constituents aren't going for this,
or my constituents told me I have to do this,
and that's why I'm doing.
Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
It absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Flip the Tables is out right now.
Speaker 8 (01:30:42):
I'm Cia Johnson, the Everyday Disruptor's Guide to finding courage
and making change. And this isn't a book, you know,
just with politics now just in life.
Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
If you want to learn how to tables like Jesus did, Yes,
more of that.
Speaker 22 (01:30:56):
Yeah, like, can you imagine like Jesus flippant over tables angry?
Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
Yes, I think you should. I think you should find
a table to flip.
Speaker 18 (01:31:03):
Listen. Okay, that's a whole other conversation for us to have.
Speaker 13 (01:31:06):
You w.
Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Lindia Johnson is the club. Good morning y'all, the breakfast.
Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
Club rolling everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
It's DJ Envy J just hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
We are the breakfasts club. You just reminded me saluting
my guy. Mister show me the money, mister show money,
mister show money.
Speaker 8 (01:31:29):
I was in New York, New Jersey over the weekend
and he gave some gifts for Jess and Lauren and
you as well.
Speaker 6 (01:31:34):
But he told me to give you this sombrero. What's
that for? He said?
Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
He said, get at the cowboy. I said, who is cowboy?
He said Envy And I said, why you call him cowboy?
He said, you know what I'm talking about. I don't
know what he's talking about.
Speaker 6 (01:31:46):
And I'm just passing you to some that's a sombrero though.
Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
That's I'm not Mexican and I'm not Latino.
Speaker 6 (01:31:51):
This is well, you're Dominican.
Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
I'm not Dominican. Why do you give me a some
I bet you know how to wear it.
Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
You look at you. You know exactly how to wear it.
Speaker 18 (01:31:59):
That is so cute.
Speaker 6 (01:32:00):
You hate too big for this all over jess in
Law's house. Listen, you know exactly look at you. There
you go, there you go. But that's good. What I
say with it's a barrel like what now you don't know?
Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
I don't Yeah, right, well, speaking of right, I thought
we got to.
Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Take a shot right now, she's about to take a shot. Yeah,
good morning, good day.
Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
I'm actually DJing Tequila Fest in the Landa next week,
so this I'm definitely I'm gonna take my sombreda with me.
Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
There happened this weekend so we could do the Black
Effect Festival and then go drink.
Speaker 6 (01:32:38):
To quila alcoholic. Let's get to.
Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Long be coming straight fat.
Speaker 9 (01:32:44):
She gets them from somebody that knows, somebody gets the detail.
Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.
Speaker 9 (01:32:51):
She's been having the latest on the Latest with Laurence
La Rosa.
Speaker 8 (01:32:56):
Sometimes you have fact, sometimes you have details. Sometimes you
have a little bit of everything.
Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
It's the on the.
Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
Breakfast cloud talk to me.
Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Ryan Coogler has posted a thank you letter to his
ex account and it is the sweetest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Doing another time right, he deserves to Can you do
too in a row? Is that thank you?
Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
So he posted this letter to his ex account and
he's just talking about how grateful he is and how
his heart is bursting with gratitude because of everybody that
came out and supported Sinners over its opening weekend, over
Eastern weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
He says he wants to think everybody who went and
brought a ticket go see it.
Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
You know, people who carpooled, who you know, got babysitters,
made a new friend while they were there.
Speaker 16 (01:33:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
He talks about how he believes so much in cinema
and the theatrical experience and he doesn't get to do
what he does if people don't come out and see it.
Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
Sinna's was a spiritual experience.
Speaker 8 (01:33:49):
They mixed black music, black magic, the Black Church to
create a black master piece.
Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Man that I kept hearing about was the soundtrack, Like
I kept the music tire. Everything was fired like the music,
the way that it look the coloring, the storyline, the acting.
Speaker 7 (01:34:07):
I'm going this week. I was supposed to go last night,
but I couldn't make it. I'm going this week though,
I'm gonna go again.
Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
I'm gonna go for a third time, just because I
was saying the movie three times.
Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
I know that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna go again for a third time.
Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
Just first of it was one of the movies different dudes.
Didn't you.
Speaker 13 (01:34:21):
What that? Wow?
Speaker 8 (01:34:25):
Remember I told you she got three dudes that day
on Valentine's Three people send her.
Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Okay, beyond like, I don't first, what should I do?
Speaker 11 (01:34:37):
First?
Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
I went by myself first of all, I swear I
went by myself the first time I watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
I watched watch up until.
Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Certain point because we were every time you lie you studied,
the second by.
Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
Myself, and then the third time. I'm gonna go, but
I'm gona tell her what you back there laughing at
because they Okay, anyway back to Ryan Cooler, not nothing
about me. I So he did something that was really
sweet at the end of the letter though he ended
the letter then he said PS and he talked about
the fact that people are making a big deal about him.
Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Michael B. Jordan's relationship, him and his wife's really or.
Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
They're married or they I believe him and his wife's relationship,
and you know other relationships that he's had that you know,
span it across all of these years and helped him
be the creator that he is. But he said he
wanted to take a second to shout out Michael Shaver,
who is their picture editor, who he's been working with
for over fifteen years. And if you see any of
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the photos from the film and just like how cinematic
and then like the photography like the stills or whatever
from the film fire as well too.
Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
But I thought that that was so fired that he
took the time to do that to make sure this
man got a shot.
Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
And he said that this guy miss missed the press
tour because he was spending time with his family, so
he wanted to make sure he got some love as
well too. But Ryan Coogler been he'd been out here
doing the thing individual.
Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
I mustache girl.
Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Well, that's that's the first time I actually saying to
my sayings like that actually looks good because that's Steve Harvey.
Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
But when you put it on Ryane with the straight
bag some nothing else on his face. I can see
I can see that, and he got an.
Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
Unprecedented deal for sentence.
Speaker 13 (01:36:10):
He did so.
Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
He actually did a deal with Warner Brothers where he
will retain the rights to the film centers in twenty
five years.
Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
He gets the ownership price back up.
Speaker 9 (01:36:18):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
And that has been the source of a lot of
conversation as well too, and people are talking about how, well,
so one more thing.
Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
Till he secured a first dollar gross deal.
Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Yes, so what that is? That's important.
Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
It means that he receives a.
Speaker 8 (01:36:31):
Portion of box office revenue before the studio even begins recouping.
Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Wow, which is a big deal. And it deals like
this don't happen often.
Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
I think the last time that people keep pointing back
to that things like this have happened was Quentin Tarantino.
And he mentioned Quentin Tarantino in his letter as one
of his inspirations for what he does as well too.
But as of today, he has grossed forty five point
six million dollars domestically and seventy one million dollars globally
during his open weekend opening weekend.
Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
Yes, we got to keep supporting.
Speaker 8 (01:36:59):
Yes, And that's the original I P Man that's an
original story written by Ryan Coogler, like dropping the clude
bond for Ryan Coole.
Speaker 6 (01:37:06):
That's all of the original I.
Speaker 8 (01:37:08):
P that Hollywood is looking for exist in the South,
Black folklore from the South.
Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
He includes family photos in his letter as well too,
because he talks about how it stems from his ancestry,
which he talks about up here as well.
Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Right's pretty young, right, yeah, he is young. I look
it up. I want to real quick before we get
out of here, go back to Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Back to Shannon Shaa.
Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Well, nothing new happened, nothing crazy as of yet. I
can check my emails. But Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Smith did go on his show and talk about the situation,
and he had a really good point about the career
stuff and where Disney is right now with everything.
Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 24 (01:37:47):
All I can speak to about is what I know
based on the reports, and I can speak about ESPN
and Disney. To be clear, even though this podcast, this
YouTube show is owned and operated by me solely, it
doesn't mean that I'm going to be dismissive of ESPN,
who employs me in my daytime job. On first ac
(01:38:08):
With that being said, it's important to point out a
couple of things. Number One, I was not there, I
am not I can provide no eyewitness account. And even
though I got love and respect for Shannon Sharp and
I'm sincerely hopeful and prayerful that he is completely innocent
of the allegations that have been levied against him, I
can't sit here and speak to his innocence or guilt
(01:38:31):
from a knowledgeable place because I have nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
I haven't seen anything, I don't know anything. I don't
even know this person.
Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
So, I mean people wanted to update from the career side,
ESPN Disney see where that was going to go, and
I guess this is the close you're gonna get to it.
Before this happened, though, I think a lot of people
were saying the obvious that normally with a company like
a Disney, they don't want to get in the mud
to mess at all.
Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
They normally take a step back. They haven't said anything
officially yet, but let.
Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Me ask a question, what did what did doctor Umar say?
Speaker 13 (01:39:04):
Though?
Speaker 19 (01:39:04):
Oh baby, I'm staying with Uncle Shannon because I don't
like when black men get taken down. I gotta stand by. Yes,
he's a lifetime snow bunny hopper. Yes, he's a lifetime.
Speaker 9 (01:39:15):
Snow bunny hopper.
Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
But that's my brother.
Speaker 9 (01:39:17):
Uncle Shannon Sharp is my brother.
Speaker 19 (01:39:19):
I'm standing with Uncle Shannon Sharp until the facts prove otherwise,
all right.
Speaker 9 (01:39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:39:25):
I don't like seeing brothers get taken down either, especially
when it's self inflicted. But we got to remember, destiny
is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice.
And all of this is happening because it seems like
Shannon Sharp made some poor choices and being fifty four
at the time.
Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
Hollering at a nineteen year old, it's a very poor choice. Okay,
it is what it is.
Speaker 8 (01:39:45):
No, Yes, it's a shakedown, but you know people can't
shake you down or let you give him something to shake.
Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Yeah, well, we don't know what it is yet. Let
the facts play out in court.
Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
It's definitely a shakedown.
Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Well we don't know if. I mean, we don't know
if it's true and.
Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
Not fifty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Okay, So what you're talking about.
Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
Me because if there was, if there was a violation,
it wasn't a shakedown, then she'd be pressing criminal charges
that might be coming next.
Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
I don't know, but you did that That's why I
asked you yesterday. I asked could they still press charges
on them criminally?
Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
I mean some of the stuff is as recent according
to the victim as January twenty twenty five. So I mean,
I don't know every law in the world, but that's
that's like a couple months ago. I don't see why
not right, and just why I would have to look
up the laws in the battle though, and I and
talk to the attorneys.
Speaker 7 (01:40:29):
My Bible says it's a twenty year statue when it
comes to sexual assault.
Speaker 8 (01:40:33):
And just hearing the lawyer say out of his own
mouth that they was close to a ten million dollars settlement.
Why you know, like when you when you settled, it
looks like an admission of guilt or innocent.
Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
Why would you settle?
Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
Or if he does settle it, it doesn't have other
people come out, right. They always say, Michael Jackson settled
out that one case so other people wouldn't come out.
Speaker 6 (01:40:54):
No, that's not what they said.
Speaker 8 (01:40:56):
Johnny Cochran actually told Michael not to settle because as
soon as you settle, you come a pigurement. But everybody
and their mama gonna be coming out with their hand
out and accusations.
Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
People coming out regardless if that's what they want to
do at this point in our day and age.
Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
But can't be guys, remember when remember the Cassie he settled?
Did he settle with her? And then all real day
came like, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Want everybody came she got three hundred dollars and she
was like, excuse me, arial die. She then gave her
three hundred dollars. So what the damn Masters was worth?
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
It was?
Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I think it was like three yea, three hundreds.
Speaker 6 (01:41:31):
I was about to look at but that with that
to your point, did he settle with Cassie? And then
what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Everybody came out?
Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Okay, like I want my page.
Speaker 8 (01:41:37):
But if he was going to settle, he should have
set up before it was a lawsuit kit. Yeah, behind
the scenes, the scene. That's why they don't make no sense.
That's why none of this makes any sense to me.
Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Suggests it was justice corrected.
Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
It was three hundred dollars and thirty cents for she
got the thirty cents, but that was the because she
didn't sign that whole deal with the NBA and the
Masters and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
But yes, just three hundred dollars and thirty cents through
all that for three hundred dollars. And Ryan Coogler is
thirty eight years old. Okay, okay, and happy birthday, George pay. Yeah,
we'll be back with more.
Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Yeah, because we were he had on the summer road
a couple of the birthday. I gotta know the Mexican's birthday.
Speaker 9 (01:42:13):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (01:42:13):
All right, well that is the latest with Lauren and Lauren.
You also talked about earlier that John Cena follows you.
Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
Yeah, Envy, don't do that.
Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
Nothing nothing that Johnson to follow everybody was a million
follows me, Charlie find.
Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
I don't know, excited, you know what?
Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
You know what just recently talked about getting hair plugs
and and bringing back hair.
Speaker 6 (01:42:42):
So you follow him?
Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Maybe you know he follows you.
Speaker 6 (01:42:45):
Maybe you should d.
Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
M wow, Envy, you got so we have when he
put them tarots on them wings.
Speaker 13 (01:42:50):
With you then looking.
Speaker 9 (01:42:52):
Like you're like into the breakfast club.
Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
Morning, everybody is j en Vy just hilarious. Charlamagne to God,
we are the breakfast Club. Salute to Debbie Brown for
joining us today.
Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
Man Slut, my glad sister.
Speaker 8 (01:43:06):
Debbie Brown her new book Living in Wisdom, A path
to embodying your authentic self, embracing grief, and developing self
mastery is out. Now make sure you subscribed to her podcast,
The Deeply Well Podcasts on the Black Effect iHeartRadio podcast Network.
Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
And Debbie will also be at the third.
Speaker 8 (01:43:21):
Annual Black Effect Podcast Festival happening this Saturday in Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (01:43:26):
We have a mental Health and Mindful this panel that
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get your tickets and we'll see you Saturday.
Speaker 6 (01:43:49):
And yes, Weezy and Mandy from Decisions.
Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
And also salutes to Alynsia Johnson for joining us this morning.
Speaker 8 (01:43:59):
Yes, her new book, Lift the Tables that every Day
disrupt This guide to finding courage and making change, a
book that Jess Larius does not need to read.
Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
She's already a disruptive.
Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
And listen y'all can catch me May tenth. It's a
pre Mother's Day comedy day. We got three shows in
Detroit at one Mic comedy Club. Make sure you get
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doing three shows because I'm only gonna be there for
one day. We got the eleven Am brunch, the early
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y'all mothers, your aunt your grandmother's brothers, bring your sisters, whatever, whatever, whatever.
Just get your tickets and I will be doing meet
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Can't wait to see your Detroit.
Speaker 7 (01:44:42):
Now it's time to get up out of here. You guys,
have a great day in slute to Atlanta. I'll be
in Atlanta next week all next week, still promoting my
book that's out right now, Real Life, Real Family, and
then of course Tequila Festival.
Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
All right, shelm Man, you got a positive No I do.
Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
I just want to tell everybody man, gratitude.
Speaker 13 (01:44:57):
Man.
Speaker 8 (01:44:57):
Gratitude should always be your attitude. Gratitude is one of
the strongest and most transformative states of being. It shifts
your perspective from lack of abundance and allows you to
focus on the good in your life, which in turn
pulls more goodness into your reality.
Speaker 6 (01:45:12):
So always be grateful. Let gratitude be your attitude. Have
a great day, Breakfast club bites you. I'm finished for y'all.
Speaker 13 (01:45:20):
Done.
Good morning us say yo yo yo yo yo yo
yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yo just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hey yo, what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Laura La Rossa, good morning y'all.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Charlmagne and be is stuck behind a dump truck somewhere
and it should have left home like ten minutes earlier.
But it's okay because sometimes I be late to it
don't matter, no, it don't matter.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
How was your night last night? My night was great.
Shout out to sixty three Auto spot.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
They took me out to dinner, okay, of course, and
you know, having some great conversations and some great food.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh okay, so that's all. Yeah, that's what I can
say right now. Date it wasn't a date. Oh no, no, no,
it wasn't a day. Sound like something. They took me
out on the day, like, okay, how many of them
was it? It was for?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's like no, no, no yo, no no no.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
No no no it was. It was just it was
like more like a business dinner thing.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Working, I'm about to do some car stuff, you know, workwise,
so that's what's up.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Yeah, you're about to be a mechanic.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Too, girl. You know I can't, but we never do
with these nails.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I'm just saying, we ain't gonna get in this mechanic outfit.
You look nice given set it off.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm ronky.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I'm about to be, you know, just doing brand work.
Look at Eli, he's so high. He's telling me, I
look like set it off.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Every time I weard this Malana off there every single time.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
But he said, he gave you queen and tef he
ain't shitn't have been and my wig is on and
it is and I didn't have the breath.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You can't even see a breeze. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, yesterday, you know, the weather was nice.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Me and my man took our daughter out for the
first time, well not the first time any like, shan't
never been out, but to the farmer's market. Like we
had her in the stroller strolling around and she was
like looking up the stroller. She was chilling and and
it was it was a whole dope time. We got
some fruits and vegetables. You know, that is very much
on brand for my man, yo, Like he he loved
(01:46):
doing it. He loved playing and growing and all.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
That type of stuff. So yeah, it was a nice
little and then we of course had to have a
drink somewhere. We went to Local. I love Local Eatery.
It's a spot in Jersey City.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
It's lit. You gotta go.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Oh yeah, I gotta figure that out. I never I
never been refer I'm cracking up. You're talking about she
was looking around the show that she ain't been nowhere.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, I know, we first time of us actually having
her at a farmer's market, like people close to it
can see her, walk up on her and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So it was it was a nice experience. Aren't you
trying to hide her from artist?
Speaker 6 (02:15):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I already deal with that from these two niggas up here.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You do not be in on the ice stuff with
my daughter because they're gonna get me open the show together.
I know, right, Yeah, ain't a crazy over hare sweating
bullets cause I don't know what to say next anyway.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh yeah, it is Wednesday. It's Wednesday, so it's hump day. Yeah,
hump day, what charlamage do?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's my fee op for real wide and and joining
us today we got Debby Brown. She has a new book,
Living in Wisdom, A Path to Embodying your Authentic Self,
Embracing grief and developing self mastery, is out now. Heavy
Brown also has a podcast with The Black Effect our
Heart Network, you know some some something or another. And
then also later in the show, we got Unlessia Johnson
(03:01):
also with a new book.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh these authors, I tell you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's called Flip the Tables, every Day Disruptor's Guide to
Finding courage and making Change.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And it's out now as well. And we got Front
Page News.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Cracking off, and Mimi Brown is here because Morgan is out.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So we're gonna get the show cracking and we'll be
right back after this. Yeah, I know that's right there.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
Warning everybody is TJ N V jes hilarious, Charlamage the God.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
We are the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
We are here, Yes, thank you going Yeah, I'm telling
on the garbage trucks this morning.
Speaker 9 (03:31):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
There's nothing you can do when things are out of
your control.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
But you know, if you're in New York City where
we broadcast from NYC, three eleven is the number to
report the garbage trucks.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Oh my damn.
Speaker 8 (03:42):
Anytime you get stupped find the garbage trucks and they
just disrespectful like that. I know, everybody start blowing their horn.
I don't because there's nothing you can do in that situation.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
But if they don't have.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
No regard for people that got to get to go
where they gotta go, and they taking the little time,
report them a couple of minutes.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I understand, but literally, charlamage and I was between ten
and fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
People behind the truck.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
And you two blocks away from the two blocks away
from work, Come on, fifteen minutes, we're stuck.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Come on, man and YC three eleven.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
You don't know people in the emergencies and they're sick
trying to get to the hospital.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
You don't know what it is. Report them garbage trucks
that do that.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
And they was taking their sweet time. I'm sitting there, Yeah, wow,
how to.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Call on them?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
If a lot of dump truck workers are black, they're
not Mexican.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
But if we're thinking about somebody I could call.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
In that moment, that's what made me google and find
out about NYC three eleven, because in that moment, I
was just like.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yo, you literally google to who to call on the disk.
Speaker 8 (04:30):
We were there for fifteen minutes and had nothing to
do with disrespectful that washing to do.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
I wasn't even thinking about me.
Speaker 8 (04:35):
I was just thinking what about anybody else that might
be sick or trying to get to the hospital, trying
to get it was just bad.
Speaker 9 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Well, all right, well let's get in some front page news.
Let's start off with some quick sports. Now, last night
the Lakers tied the series. They beat the timber Wolves
ninety four eighty five, then to beat the Grizzlies one
eighteen ninety nine. They lead the series to nothing, and
the Pacers beat the Bucks one twenty three, one fifteen.
They lead that series in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
What's up to me?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's he up, y'all?
Speaker 8 (05:00):
Good morning, how y'all doing, Good.
Speaker 10 (05:03):
Morning, good morning.
Speaker 11 (05:04):
All right, well, let's start with something that is about
to hit people in their pockets. The Trump administration says
it will resume debt collection for people who have defaulted
on their federal student loans starting May fifth. Now, student
loan goes into default if you hadn't made a payment
in about two hundred and seventy days, or approximately around
nine months. The Department of Education says this will apply
(05:27):
to all federal loan types, including direct loans, perkin loans,
federal family education loans. So right now, more than five
million people are already in default and another four million
people are close to it. That means nearly nine million
borrowers could soon face really serious consequences. In a press conference,
(05:47):
Press Secretary Caroline leave it levittxcuse me explained how the
administration plans to move forward with collections.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Let's hear what she had to say.
Speaker 12 (05:55):
Borrowers will now be clearly expected to repay their loans,
and those who default on their loan obligations will face
involuntary collections. The government can and will collect defaulted federal
student loan debt by withholding money from borrowers tax refunds,
federal pensions, and even their wages.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Yeah, I thought they already did that.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
I know for a fact when I had school loans
and I got a tax refund, they automatically took that
to pay the school loans.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
So I thought that was already done.
Speaker 11 (06:23):
Well you know what they started it. They put it
back into session like right around COVID. So they haven't
pressed or went after student loan borrowers since before the
COVID nineteen crisis.
Speaker 10 (06:34):
And so now the Trump administration.
Speaker 11 (06:36):
Says it will start sending out notices later this summer
informing those who have defaulted on their student loans about
their wage garnishment. They can take up to fifteen percent
of your check.
Speaker 10 (06:47):
Again.
Speaker 11 (06:48):
All this starts on May fifth. And if you think
you might be in default the administration, they recommend you
contacting the Student Aid Default Resolution Group. You may be
able to get back on track by making monthly payment
and rolling in an income driven repayment plan or applying
for a loan rehabilitation. But this is about to hit
millions of people in about a week and a half.
Speaker 8 (07:10):
If you voted for Trump because of the economy, if
you voted for Trump because he was gonna put more
money in your pockets, you've got to be rethinking that decision.
That this of course, of course, but when you have
it's even been one hundred days, Lord have mercy.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
You're right.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
But when you have school loans, right, and when you graduate,
you have to look for a job, and then it
gives you a certain amount of time to find a job,
and at nine times out of ten, that job can't
pay for your rent. If you have a car, you're eating,
and then to pay that school loan. There's no possible way.
You can't afford to pay all those sticks.
Speaker 8 (07:36):
Yeah, and if inflation is high, if people are losing
their jobs, if tariffs got to cost the goods high,
where people are gonna.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Get this money from? Exactly what wage you gonna gone this?
I ain't got none.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
You're gonna You're just gonna mess up my credit.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
But I can't pay you because it's either my rent
or it is gonna pay these cool loans. And which
way you're gonna pay? And if you got kids, I
gotta put food on the table. I'm gonna play the
school loans.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
Only fans selling ass twenty five cheek twenty.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Five hey, not only work.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
If you white? All right, well that is front page news, Mimi.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
We'll see you next hour, all right, everybody else, get
it off your chest. Eight hundred five eight five one
oh five one. If you need to vent, phone lines
are wide open. Eight hundred five eight five one oh
five one. Maybe you're driving to work. You were about
fifteen minutes twenty minutes from working, then you got stuck
behind it.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
We were gonna show fifteen twenty minutes from work. We
were three minutes from work. I know it's two blocks away.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Damn it many whatever it is, get it off your chest.
Call us up right now, phone lines wide open.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (08:33):
Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Wait, it's a day is
if you're time to get it off your chest, way up,
whether you're.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Mad or blessed, time to get up and get something.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
Call up now.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Eight hundred five eight five, one oh five one.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
We want to hear from you on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Hello.
Speaker 13 (08:51):
Who's this avenue?
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Eben?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Good morning?
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Get one morning? What's up?
Speaker 14 (08:57):
Okay, I'm calling I'm let me get off my chance
at resting to what I was talking to this about
this morning.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
The student loans, I'm one of them.
Speaker 14 (09:06):
Yes, I'm one of those people that is like still
in distress. I'm a single mom. I graduated from college
not even using anything from my degree. By the lay,
I'm driving churchs now.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I rain't got my CEO.
Speaker 15 (09:16):
Probably making more money in the last four years doing
this than I ever would have made with that.
Speaker 13 (09:20):
He's papers car.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Look here, that's true.
Speaker 14 (09:23):
But the student loans about to kill me like I'm
struggling taking care of the tudor I got by myself.
Daycare is stupid high. I'm on my cousins in New
York to come to stay.
Speaker 13 (09:32):
And he just felt me with that.
Speaker 14 (09:34):
And I'm working sixty hours a week to maintain the
bills that I got, Like you said, I got a car,
I got ran, still trying to buy a house. And
now they're about the gardeners raging for student loans or
something that I'm not even using.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
And that's what I was saying.
Speaker 7 (09:44):
It's like they got to come up with a better way,
because you I could barely pay my rent, bally pay
my car. No, bally put food on the table. If
I have a child, I gotta pay daycare. And then
you're gonna garnish fifteen percent. That's impossible.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
You can't do that.
Speaker 14 (09:56):
It's crazy. I don't even know how we want to
make it.
Speaker 15 (09:59):
Like I'm I'm straight. Took the gas every week, so
I would have worked at it that and now I
gotta paid. I got worried about you take the tea
for school that we're not even Oh my god, and
a lot of country school the scree education the.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Streme right, that is very true.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Well, you know what man, I really do hope that
people realize elections have consequences. And you know, I'm not
sitting there saying that, you know, the economy was any
better when the Biden administration was in, but it was, uh,
it was a little bit better than this.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
And I don't know if people know that if you
get married to somebody and they have school loans, their
school loans are now your school loans. So if you
get married to somebody and you get some money back
on taxes, they take that money to pay your partner's
school load. Ask me how I know, because when I
got married, gear had school loans. I did my taxes
and I thought I was getting money back. Nah, right
to the school loans her school looms. Yes, absolutely, Well I.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Needed to see if Chris finished how you was stayed
because I don't know you like, I only went for
like one semester, but I ain't got to pay that bake.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
If you only went for one.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Time, that you do, Yes, if you went, you gotta
pay because one semester.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
I sold crack, but you ain't got paid. Lose this
This is.
Speaker 10 (11:07):
Anonymous in Jersey.
Speaker 16 (11:09):
I don't know who's listening.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
So millions of people but you can give a fake name.
It's like nobody can see you.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Man, Melissa Pasta, what's up?
Speaker 14 (11:21):
So I'm mad because I am tired.
Speaker 13 (11:24):
I work three jobs.
Speaker 17 (11:25):
I'm not a single parent, but I'm tired and the
long crack it's.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Been effect mm hmm, all right, Josha, so good.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
That crop o, Tasha. I am praying for you.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
And then you know, there's there's nothing anybody can do
about this situation at the current moment. And the gap
between the haves and the have notch is so wide
in this country, man, and people are just trying to
make it every day. And this feels like these people
that are in positions of power, these rich folks, elected officials,
they do not care about, you know, people that are
not in the same tax bracket.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
As it doesn't even make sense. But between this and
even the late fees with.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Credit cards, right, people are usually latest because they're trying
to figure it out or they're waiting for their next ship.
They're gonna bring back the high rates for being late,
which affects nobody like you said to have it makes no.
Speaker 14 (12:20):
Sense, doesn't And I can never get through to man.
Speaker 9 (12:26):
Oh man, oh man.
Speaker 17 (12:28):
If this is the master, like you know, and you
know it's my husband, my mother be like bumping heads
because we all live together, and I do not know
what to do.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Well, hold on, hold on, Tasha, hold on, Tasha, hold on,
hold on. We're gonna put your whole We're gonna just
hold you down in a second.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Okay, I just want the record the show.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Not to make this political man, but you know, Trump
promised to make the economy better on day one, Like
if you run on things like groceries, which he said,
he said he won the election because of groceries. If
you ran on that, then you have to come in
and immediately try to bring some type of relief. He's
come in and just immediately hurt people ran more.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Right, get it off your chest eight hundred five eight
five one oh five one. If you need to vent,
hit us up now. It's the Breakfast Club in the morning,
the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (13:18):
This is your time to get it off your chest.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Eight hundred five eight five one five one.
Speaker 9 (13:22):
We want to hear from you on the breakfast Club. Hello,
who's that yo? What's up? Brother?
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Get it off your chest?
Speaker 9 (13:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (13:30):
I just I mean, honestly, I want to talk about this.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Whole studio long thing they had to talk to us.
Speaker 13 (13:35):
Brother, I just I don't understand how y'all get on
the radio, specifically Charla Man and then he y'all are
telling these people, y'all have people scared out of here
about what's really going on. I just don't appreciate it.
If you borrow money, why you have to pay it back.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
I don't understand that nobody's saying you don't have to
pay it back. But if if we're getting a loan
from the government and times are hard and times of
nobody saying they're not gonna pay it back. But if
you're gonna start garnish my wages and I can't pay
for my rent, you're gonna start garnishing my wages and
I can't put food on the table. If you're gonna
garnish my wages and I can't not just wages, but
(14:15):
not just wages.
Speaker 13 (14:16):
That's not the tax payers for that. We decided to
get along and we can't afford to pay it back.
We got to stop pushing the nine taking accountability.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
No, nobody's nobody's doing none taking accountability.
Speaker 13 (14:30):
Y'all have to stop.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
City City. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Let me ask you a question because it's his administration
doing it. Questions his Department of Education.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
When the automotive industry was going down, and the automotive
industry couldn't pay anybody and was defaulting on their loans,
the government helped them out right. When the airlines were
messed up and they couldn't pay their loans back and
they were messed up, the government helped them out right.
When all these billion dollar companies are messed up, the
government helps them out. All we asking for is little help.
Nobody say nobody gonna pay him back, but just help out.
(15:01):
Just look for the common people when they know things
are fed.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Up, and brother and brother can ask you a simple question.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
You told me not to blame Trump, but the Trump
administration announced one day they're the ones who are resuming
the debt collections for federal student loan borrows.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
So who else am I supposed to blame?
Speaker 13 (15:13):
Absolute? Absolutely, because again we have to start taking accountability
for the choices that we make. We have to like,
we can't sit here and take out federal funds and
then not expect to have to pay you back. That's
why American.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Yeah, but did you but talking about did you hear.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Talking about did you hear what V just said When
these big corporations need bailouts, when they take our big.
Speaker 13 (15:38):
Loans and the people, we can't keep looking at corporations.
We have to make our old our old decisions, and
our own choice.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
You're not making no sense. You're you're one of those
people who came up. You care more about the rich
than you do everyday working class people. You can't you
care more about the rich than you do everyday working
class people.
Speaker 13 (15:57):
You're rich? Stop telling people you are rich. You're rich.
Here is a completely different things than what you say
on the Brilliant Idiots started.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
You know why, you know, you know, you know, listen,
I care about every day working class people because those
are the people that listen to the radio every day.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He said you wasn't rich.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You said you wasn't rich. I'm I'm doing okay that
you keep.
Speaker 13 (16:16):
On the podcast.
Speaker 6 (16:17):
I don't talk no different than than on Brilliant, not
doing breakfast class.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
But this, but this is what you don't understand city life.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
You know it.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
That's a damn lie. You ain't never heard me think
I will always be here for the working class.
Speaker 13 (16:29):
Get here in cap bro you can get over here
in cup all you want to. I'm a city wife
from Florida. All right, I'm out of here, bro.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
And this is what people, This is what he doesn't understand. Yes,
I might be okay now, but I was in the
same situation that all these people were years ago. I
was the one that was working. My dad, I say,
is a retired police officer. We didn't have a lot
of money growing up. But every little bit Maden and
for all these people out there, every little bit maddess like,
you cannot.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Do this to people where people are hurt, they're struggling.
They can't.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
They got to make a decision to pay rent or
to pay school loans. They gotta make a decision to
buy eggs or to pay school loans.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
A Daycad, it ain't.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Right when the government helped so many people, and Hope
helped so many nations, Hope homes.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Help your people.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
And you know what's so great, it's not even that
they just doing garnishing wagers. They're doing that the pensions
and tax reforms. So how can any person ever get
a freaking a step forward in this country?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He just raised the late fees for the credit cards
again like it. It's crazy. You can't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The people that are struggling, You just can't.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
You can't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You gotta have all of the biggest most mad he was,
he does.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Didn't make no sense.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Now I'm blaming, and that's why I don't even like
to be I don't even like to say politics because
people think you on the side.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
The Trump administration is the one who's doing this. So
who else we supposed to play?
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Get it off your chicks, eight hundred and five eight five,
one oh five one. When we come back, we got
the latest for Lauren. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Good morning, the Breakfast Club, Good morning everybody.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
It's the j Envy, Jess, Hilary, Charlamagne, the guy we
are the breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Good morning.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
What's happening, And let's get to the latest with Lauren.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Lauren becoming a straight back.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
She gets them from somebody that knows, somebody gets to detail.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I'm a long girl that knows a little bit about everything,
and she'd.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Be having the latest on this, The.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Latest with Lauren la Rosa.
Speaker 8 (18:16):
Sometimes you have fact, sometimes you have details, sometimes you
have a little bit of everything.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
So it's the latest on the Breakfast club talk to me.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Well, we now know that Shannon Sharp did try to
settle with his accuser for at least ten million dollars.
This was revealed yesterday by his attorney in a phone
call that they had with a bunch of different media outlets.
But prior to this phone call, and I believe what
sparked the phone call was the fact that there was
(18:44):
this audio released by TMZ. But in the audio is
a phone call between the accuser and Shannon Sharp. Let's
take a listen to the phone call.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I say, You're just gonna like get mad at and
you're just gonna hang up on me.
Speaker 18 (18:58):
So I feel like I.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
Ain't up on you.
Speaker 13 (19:01):
What it is?
Speaker 18 (19:02):
What does that even mean?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You want to be to me now? So I don't
want to be. Don't manipulate me.
Speaker 16 (19:09):
I know that if you said that one one more time,
I'll show you that I see you.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 13 (19:17):
Well, I don't you know what?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh I don't want to be?
Speaker 6 (19:22):
True?
Speaker 9 (19:24):
Yeah you do.
Speaker 13 (19:25):
I don't think you have a choice in the matter.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
How old that girl you said?
Speaker 13 (19:29):
What?
Speaker 19 (19:29):
How old you? Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
She's in her early twenties now, like what twenty one?
Speaker 13 (19:33):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
She was in twenty twenty three. She was nineteen, So.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, she looks like she's like twelve thirty.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I mean to say, I have not seen the picture
showed just her. Oh wo show another pecko.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
You gonna have to call liights in a minute.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
She going her way to class right there she does.
She does it like a young college looks like a college.
Speaker 13 (19:55):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So what happened was after this audio was released at
the same time, literally like moments apart, Shannon Sharp then
released a video statement, and in the video statement, he
is addressing.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
She's twenty two, by the way, twenty two.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Now he's addressing what he believes is about to happen,
but he doesn't address the audio. Let's take a listen
to his video that he posted, Shannon Chark, this is
a shakedown.
Speaker 16 (20:17):
This is all being orchestrated by Tony Busby, who is
targeted Jay Z. Tony Buzzby targets black men, and I
believe he's going to release a thirty second clip of
a sex tape that tries to make me look guilty
and played into every stereotype you.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Could possibly imagine.
Speaker 16 (20:32):
That video should actually be ten minutes or so, Hey, Tony,
instead of releasing your edit put the whole video out.
I don't have it, or I would myself. You know
what happened, and you're trying to manipulate the media. The
encountering question took place during the day at her invitation,
and now that appears to be able deliver setup coordinated
by Gavin also known as Karly on OnlyFans Gavin Tony
(20:53):
Busby want fifty million dollars. What they're getting is sued
for defamation and trying to take me down. My career
is all about real talking honesty, and I'm going to
be out there telling you whatever I need to say,
just like I always do.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
I love all of you guys.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
You know.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It is a shakedown. It is a targeted attack.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
But Shannon needed to have some accountability because he gave
them something to shake down. He gave them something to
target by making poor choices.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, and when he so basically when he mentioned her
name in the fact that she's the Only Fans girl,
people went and look and looked her up. So that's
how her photos begin to surface. Now on this phone
call that his attorney had with the media. The phone
call the attorney Shannon Strump's attorney addresses that audio that
we heard first, and what he says is that Shannon
spoke in the heat of the moment and did not
literally mean the words. Then they start having conversations about,
(21:43):
you know, the like different text messages that have been released,
and I printed out the text messages for you guys.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
One of the things that I want to point out
here because basically what Shannon is saying is that there's
this video that's about to come out. They ask people
on this phone call with the media to not judge
because it's going to be and edit it format allegedly,
and so you won't get.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
The full context.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
But Shannon had said earlier in his statement, the first
statement he released, that there were things that he was
doing almost like role play that was a He says
that this was at the woman's request. And from the
look of these text messages, so there's two sets of them.
The first text message that came out Gabby, who's the woman,
the accuser. This is from January second, twenty twenty five,
(22:25):
and this is when she says that she was sexually assaulted.
So she's texting him and she's saying that she had
cried when he left because she had asked him to
put on a condom and she had begged him to
not put it in her behind, but he didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And she says that she doesn't care what their history is.
No means no, right.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Then she's like, I don't know how to process this.
And then they're like, you know, can I call you later?
I guess can they talk later? But then in other
text messages you see the conversation. It goes from that
to her sending text messages and say I want to
be abused, daddy. I want like some hardcore BDSM action
though so and then she says, I want you to
(23:03):
tie me up like this and abuse me, daddy, And
you can see when the sex messages were released, you
can see it says like from Gabby to owner. So
it's painting a picture that their relationship was giving that
you know, there was role playing everythings that were happening.
Speaker 9 (23:18):
Now.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
It was a very unfortunate situation, horrible situation. The shop
and his lawyer have handled this whole situation terribly. First
of all, if you're saying the shop, you shouldn't be
saying anything. He should Busby and this young woman got
audio video and text messages. If you know all of
those things are out there, you should shut the f
up and continue to allow your lawyer to do his job.
And your lawyer set out of his own mouth that
(23:42):
you was close to a ten million dollars settlement with
that girl, that right there is all the more reason
to shut the f up.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
I'm not here to speak to Shannon's guilt.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Are innocent because I don't know, but I do know
attempting to settle looks like an admission to guilt because
I'm not settling, or.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'm just scared. Honestly, he's just probably scared.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
I'm with you, man, I feel I feel like he's
being advised wrong right. And you know when people go
through this, they go to an attorney because the attorney
usually knows what's best for them.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
They do usually know what to do.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
And in this situation, like any attorney would say, shut
the f up unless deal with it in court. Let's
deal with facts, because you can't change public opinion unless
it's in court with facts. Now, but one thing I
would say if somebody said this, but I cried when
you left because I beg you to put a condom
on and you put it in my thief and you
didn't listen. I don't care what our history is. If
that didn't happen, I'm gonna be like, what the hell
are you talking about? Nah, we agreed on this. I'm
(24:30):
not gonna be like I'll call you later because I'm
feeling like this is a setup right here. As soon
as you text me this, I'm gonna feel a little
and nobody's just gonna respond.
Speaker 9 (24:37):
I'll call you that.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
He can be like, what the hell are you talking about?
We both agree to that, you know, like, but this
is part of the game. Like nobody's gonna respond with that,
which scares me. But like charlotmade said, shut the f up,
let it. Let the facts play out in court, because
right now all this talking is doing too much.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Audio and it's making it worse.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You're manipulating me. Like even that would have been like, oh, nah, okay,
I see what this is. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
But wouldn't you have.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Changed that right from the door? Yeah, Like what are
you talking about? Like no, no, no, like, like, let's
not pleas can were you taping me? Because last night
we was good with this, Like my opinion.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Well, his attorney is saying that these text messages all
only show that the woman in question likes and asks
for fantasy role playing in other forms of unusual sexual behavior,
and they shut down the idea that you know, they're
still denying any sexual sort allegations or anything that nature.
I did reach out to Attorney Busby though, because that
audio we listened to it wasn't in full. It was
(25:30):
like a minute, a little bit over a minute. I'm like, yo,
why would you only release that? And he said to me,
he said, I'm not trying this case in the press.
We released this only because Shannon Sharp's lawyer chose to
attempt to discredit in docs Jane Doe by releasing multiple
texts with no contexts. Did they release the entirety of
the text surrounding the ones from yesterday, which were the
original text in his In Shannon Sharp's statement, the audio
(25:51):
is very clear of the situation.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It speaks for itself.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
So I know one thing, if you're fifty four, you
have no reason to be talking to a nineteen year old.
She's twenty two. Now Shannon is fifty six. I'm so
glad that audio monique went viral yesterday because it's true
sit your old down and go find somebody your age
and build a family with them. As I said yesterday, men,
we need stability and we need D discipline, Right.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
You gotta have D discipline.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
But if he does not want because some people don't
want families, they're not built for that, just try somebody
in age bracket.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yes, that's it, because he apparently he already tried that,
you know what I mean, the family thing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
But yeah, he just needs somebody his age.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Has she seen all seasons of a wire?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
She didn't.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Does she know any scarface albums?
Speaker 9 (26:36):
You don't even know what the hell it is? What
it is mean? She said, what does that even mean?
Speaker 13 (26:41):
Like she said that, like that.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
Would have made me head up in black ten years
old than me.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I got a six teen yearld daughter. I can't even
imagine having that conversation.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You know what, you know, I have a twenty three
year old daughter.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Like that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
And this girl looks young, she looks she looks like
she's on campus at University of Miami or like she
looks young young.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Well, we got to wrap up. We did have the
money audio, but we do have to wrap up. So
I mean, yeah, this is all the updates so far
in this situation. And I will say too, they said
that they were surprised that they were in the middle
of the mediation and then the lawsuit dropped, So I
don't know if that's why they're responding so frantically and
not making sense about their responses.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, so any.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
Conclusion and middle of mediation to put out a press
release that ye're looking to sign a deal for one
hundred million dollars, but not because if I'm in the
middle of mediation, I hear you about to sign a
one hundred million dollars deal.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Oh, I'm gonna pull out and wait for you get
that deal, and I'm gonna ask for more money.
Speaker 8 (27:36):
If that's the case, I have not seen a team
handle something so poorly in a long time.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
The wish Shannon and his team are hands crazy.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
All right, All right, well, thank you for the ladies
with Laura. Now when we come back, we got front
page news. Mimi will be joining us, Morgan's out, and
then we have Deffie Brown joining us.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
It's the breakfast Club.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
Good morning, You're checking out the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Everybody's teach Envy just hilarious.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast club. Let's get
in some front page news. Got up with some quick sports.
Lacers beat the timber Wolves. He tied the series last night,
ninety four eighty five. That then to beat the Grizzlies
win eighteen ninety nine. They lead the series to nothing,
and the Paces beat the Bucks. They lead that series
to nothing.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
What's up to me?
Speaker 10 (28:19):
What's up y'all?
Speaker 11 (28:20):
All right, well, let's start in Florida where GOP rep
Byron Donald's got an earful at a town hall earlier
this week. The crowd wasn't shy about pressing him on
the Trump administration and its controversial plans for the.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
Department of Government efficiency.
Speaker 11 (28:34):
He was asked, as a member of the Oversight Committee,
what oversights was he proposing on Donald Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
Let's hear what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
I love how everybody shouting at meat.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
The black guy on Stags with Michael Bonner said saying,
how do.
Speaker 13 (28:47):
You reading this day?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Don't wife?
Speaker 9 (28:51):
And what I don't do that? Don't Mark, don't do that?
Speaker 13 (28:59):
Buns.
Speaker 11 (29:02):
So that was his response to the crowd asked him
about Dee I and about his pushback.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
So he pushed back and told.
Speaker 11 (29:09):
The crowd that as a black man, don't talk to
him about diversity, equity, and inclusion. But then when he
was he was talking about Elon Musk and Donald Trump,
the crowd had some booze and some other things.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
So let's hear what he had to say about that.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
The direction of the President of the United States.
Speaker 16 (29:26):
If you were talking about what Overside is doing, we
actually left the Those.
Speaker 13 (29:32):
Committee.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The Those Department actually finishes work.
Speaker 13 (29:36):
What they are examining right now is an deficiency in
a federal assistant. This is something that President we wanted
to do with President.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
So therefore he was not The crowd wasn't happy during
this town hall. They were trying to get Byron.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
To answer questions about Doge, about the Trump administration, and
the crowd in Florida, of all places, they really gave
him a hard time. Dozens of people left after voicing
their frustration with his answer. Now, Donald's is also running
for governor of Florida in next year's election.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
Listen, maybe people are out here hurting. So if the
economy is bad, people are gonna be mad. And if
you voted for Trump or you endorsed Trump. Like you know,
Byron Donalds did, people are going to hold you accountable
like that pain they're feeling in their pocket. They're gonna
project that pain onto you.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
So you got it.
Speaker 6 (30:26):
You know, Byron got to stay in ten told now
on his decision.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
And he's the face of it right now. So if
you're holding a town meeting, you are the face of
their frustration.
Speaker 11 (30:34):
So and speaking of abdulgent Elon Musk, Elon Mus said
he will take a step back from his work as
leader of the Department of Government Efficiency.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
He made the announcement on a call with investors yesterday.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
He said he will continue to spend a day or
two per week on government issues for as long as
the president will have him.
Speaker 10 (30:53):
But this announcement comes after a tough year for Tesla.
Speaker 11 (30:56):
The company's stock is down forty percent this year, and
earlier this week, it warned investors about the biggest drop
in sales history revenue for the first quarter, it fell
seventy one percent compared to the same time of last year.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
I wonder if that's gonna I don't think that's gonna
work for Elon.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
And the reason I don't think that's gonna work for
Elon is because he has chosen a side.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
He's chosen a political worldview.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
So the only thing, only way I think it's gonna
work for Testla if he steps down.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Period.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Definitely, he's definitely going have to step downcause people don't
want to drive Teslas anymore, and not necessarily because it's
not a good call, because it's actually a really good vehicle.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Because of Elon and his politics.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
But not only that, but when I'm driving around the
city and people are smearing dog poop on your car,
or it's because politics, they're giving your middle fingers, they're
flattening your tires.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Do you want to deal with because of and his politics?
So it's like, no, I don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
So I'm not gonna buy a Tesla When you got
people that's that's protesting outside of teslas, I don't want
to pull up there. If I drive one, I know
I'm gonna face consequences if I leave it on the street.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
We've loft this job because of els went in there
and slashed all those federal jobs. So when they see
those Teslas, the same thing with bids that Tesla represents,
Elon must correct so yes, the Elon Muskin is politics.
The only way things going to bounce back to the
Tesla is if Elon must steps down to CEO.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Agree with Teria.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
All right?
Speaker 11 (32:10):
So President Trump's hiss approval rating it is dipping. It
is at forty two percent, which is the lowest since
he has returned to office.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
Now.
Speaker 10 (32:17):
This is according to a new Reuter's pull.
Speaker 11 (32:19):
The drop comes after more Americans express concern over his
efforts to expand his presidential power, and the poll found
discomfort with Trump's push to punish liberal universities, his attempt
to appoint himself board of the chair of the Kennedy
Senator Now a large majority eighty three percent said the
president must follow federal court rulings even if he disagrees
(32:40):
with them. Fifty seven percent said it's not okay to
withhold federal funding based on political views, including that includes
one third of Republicans. Now, his approval rating was underwater
nearly in every issue, including immigration and faith, inflation, and
the rule of law.
Speaker 10 (32:57):
Three out of four respondents said Trump should not seek
a third term.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
Something that is that the constitution bars, but he's been
floating anyway, and even among Republicans fifty three percent say
no to a third term, and fifty nine percent of
Americans say that we are losing credibility on the global
under global under his leadership on the global.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Economy, and it hasn't been one hundred days. Listen, you
can't have a bad economy and authoritarian rule.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Okay. If the economy was woman, people might let you
get the authoritarian rule.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
Oh okay, but you can't have both.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Yeah.
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So that is your front page news.
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Okay, thank you.
Speaker 10 (34:15):
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I'll be back Friday.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Okay, every right, everybody else, Debbie Brown will be joining us.
She has a new book, A Living in Wisdom, A Path.
Speaker 8 (34:25):
To Embodying your authentic self, embracing grief and developing self mastery.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Out right now, it's a Debbie Brown. When we come back,
it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. Morning
everybody you seej Envy, Jess, Hilarious, Charlamagne to gud.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
My good sister, longtime friend, Debbie.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Brown is back here.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Good morning, the morning y'all.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Oh my god, how you feel on book publishing day?
I feel free?
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Yeah, I feel so free. I've had a lot of
anxiety for the last few weeks. Wow, I know what's
like you know that creative birthing and like there's a
lot of like vulnerable stories in it, and you're like,
did I do that? Should I have done this? But yeah,
now I just feel free. It's here, it's done. I'm
proud of it. I feel great.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Living in Wisdom A Path to embodying your authentic self,
embracing grief and developing self mastery.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
Tell us about that title, being a healer, being someone
that has been on their own spiritual journey for decades,
and being a teacher. I found that, you know, those
are the three things that really give you a feeling
of a well lived life. You know, when we're looking
for healing, or when we're looking for self actualization or
self awareness, all the things whatever we're looking for when
(35:44):
it comes time to grow, it's like, ultimately we're looking
to be the embodiment of our authentic self, to get
past the performance of like who we say we are
and actually get to the core. And then all of
being alive is to have grief a part of that.
You know, every day there grief, and whether it's losing someone,
which I'm sure all of us have or will because
(36:05):
that's what it is to be here, or it's you know,
the daily grief of bearing witness to everything that's happening.
Finding a way to embrace that grief is a part
of what it is to be human is I think
a really powerful shift in our growth and then walking
a path of self mastery, like looking to always not
necessarily like be better or prove things, but to just
(36:27):
deepen in what you already are, like Mastery isn't perfection.
Mastery is like the slow process of excellence of self,
you know, and only we kind of know what that
process is inside.
Speaker 7 (36:40):
I want to go back for people that don't know
Debbie's been here a long time ago. But for people
that don't know who Debbie Brown is, I want to
start from the beginning. If you don't know, Debbie was
a successful radio personality, one of the media personalities, and
at the top of her game decided she didn't want
to do it anymore. It wasn't like she was pushed out.
It wasn't like she had bad ratings. She just said,
you know what, I don't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Top of a game.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Uh, And then she started going on this healing journey
that Debbie was out in the clubs. She might have
got into a brawl tool, but we're not going to
go there. I'm talking about no idea Debbie Brown, and
I don't unders.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
That it was done.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
It was just this is a healing journey. So I
want to a rebirth of rebirth. I want to go
to for people that don't know what made you say,
you know what? This industry is not for me. I
want to give this up. You were doing radio, you
were doing different markets, you just had a baby and
just said it's.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
At the top of your game. How did you go
from a woman in radio to just like, no, I'm
done with it.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
First of all, I just have to say, and y'all
know this, Like, to me, radio is one of the
most incredible sacred ways to broadcast, because like you're really
in someone's head and body when you talk right like
they connect to you with their whole being. It's I've
always found it to be like a sacred responsibility that
makes you good at like everything else. I realized that
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my purpose was evolving, and I realized that a lot
of the skills that I was amassing, like communication, connecting
with people, building community, I just kept getting very very
clear direction from God that I was meant to do
it differently and use it differently. And I felt like
I personally was going through so much Like while I
was still on the radio for many years, I was
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like kind of secretly quietly getting certifications and like meditation
and breath work and spiritual psychology, like it was such
a huge part of my off the air life. And
I felt like, at least at that time because I
left the industry maybe almost ten years ago. At that time,
there was no blending of the two, you know, And
I was having situations where I was having wanting to
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have these deeper layered conversations, and you know, I was
being told by the people I worked with, like, no
one wants to hear that. Like now we can't run
that on the air, Like ask more questions about dating,
ask questions about beef fast, you know, and for whatever reasons,
it's like what I had to give and what I
felt God wanted me to give, it was not valued
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at the time.
Speaker 7 (39:05):
But you're so ahead of your time and now it's okay.
Now people are vulnerable. Would you see yourself coming back
to doing radio. I love radio because you were so
ahead of your time. Now we have those conversations and
it's not even the thing we talk about that people
are vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
It seems normal almost.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
She got the Deeply Well podcast.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, Black Effect Network.
Speaker 13 (39:24):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (39:24):
And you know the interesting thing about Dev and I
want people to notice, like I met Dev and I
think O seven oh seven O eight the person Dev
is now she's always been. This is just to me
an evolution of who you've always been. You've always been
the same one in the room, you know, the one
in the room that people can go to for sound advice,
(39:46):
the leader in the room saying, hey, let's go do this.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
We should be doing this. Like I've always felt that
in you. I've always seen that.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Why you don't work here if you have order? She
was swayst co host for Oh No, I'm saying why
she don't work here at Fair east Side.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
iHeart dog.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Y'all when it comes to healing the way y'all have
been healing in this room, I am just so impressed
and inspired. There have been some beautiful, transparent conversations.
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Yeah, but you I love the chapter fifteen because we're
talking about that in a way healing accept.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Yeah, talk why that's important that you have to healing
and accept.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
You know, this is the thing about healing, right. And
I've worked in wellness and well being for over a
decade now, and I work with clients directly, I do workshops,
I run retreats. I've had a lot of access to
studies and data all around healing, around trauma, around all
of it. And I found, you know, from my own
journey and with others, it's like there's this misconception that
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you work on yourself to eventually be rid of everything
that's ever happened to you, and that then your life
will be perfect. That you'll go to therapy, that you'll
do somatic exercises, that you'll meditate, and then one day
you're going to just like everything in life is going
to feel so happy. That's not God's design, right, Like,
no feeling is more holy than the other. God wants
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us to know and experience and feel in real time
everything that crosses our path. And that means grief, that
means joy, that means you know, jealousy sometimes anger that
means fear. It's like all of it is part of
the human experience, and so when it comes to healing
a huge part of it is also accepting that the
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past can't change. For some of us, that can feel heartbreaking, right,
Like a lot of things have happened to so many
of us, so hundreds of millions in your life that
didn't get your consent. Maybe that you've never uttered aloud,
you know. Sometimes we carry things and we're thinking about
and ruminating and thought our whole life about the things
(41:54):
that have hurt us. And I think it's important for
people to know. It doesn't mean you're broken or deficient
or not healed because you still remember those things. It's
really about changing the way you relate to them. Some
things will absolutely never change, but when heal, it really
gets transmitted into wisdom where it doesn't feel like this hard, full,
(42:16):
painful charge inside of your body. Every time that memory
comes up, you're able to kind of look at it
from an observer's standpoint and be like, that happened, and
that really hurt, and God, that was hard. And I
have respect for what I've been through. I have self
respect for who I am and what I've moved myself through.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Hi, we got more with Debbie Brown when we come back.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
Her new book, A Living in Wisdom, A Path to
Embodying your authentic Self, embracing grief and developing self mastery,
is out right now.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
We have more of home when we come back. It's
the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning everybody.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
It's DJ Envy, just hilarious, Charlamagne, Na, God we are
The Breakfast Club is still kicking it with Debbie Brown.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Now, when you talk about working on yourself, what does
that mean for people?
Speaker 6 (42:57):
Right?
Speaker 7 (42:57):
When people SA need to work on myself and then
they come back ten hours later. I worked on myself.
Speaker 9 (43:01):
I'm healed.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I'm healing. So what does so for somebody out there
that says, you know, I need to work on myself,
what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (43:08):
God, that's such a good question. And like that I'm
healed thing is so funny to me because people will
go to one therapy session and be like, Oh, I
did it, and it's like, actually, it takes eight to
twelve therapy sessions to have like a real you know,
cognitive breakthrough, or you know, you read one book and
it's like, yeah, yeah, I do this because this happened
to me and that's who I am. I think that's
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self awareness. But when you're looking to work on yourself
to transcend your experiences, there's a difference. Like Instagram has
given us so much language, a lot of people are
using it to manipulate.
Speaker 15 (43:43):
Now.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
I hate the language when it's used the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
I hate it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
I know, like it bothers the ish out of me.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
Yeah, it drives me nuts because it's dangerous. Like to
be clear, it's dangerous people using certain mental health language
that haven't done the work, that don't know the work.
It's a manipulation tactic. It can be very harmful for people,
can be very narcissistic. None of those things are like devoid.
In the spiritual or the mental health space, all that
same stuff still exists. But when it comes to like
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working on yourself, I think at the base level, it's
noticing how do you feel when it's just you with you,
If there is anything inside of you that feels unmet, unexpressed, unheard,
If there's anything inside of you where you feel anxiety,
there is a charge in your chest, or there is
a rejection or a cringe. Those are things to notice
(44:30):
because it's information that maybe something wants to rise to
the surface for your review. And I think when we're
working on ourselves, it's really about being willing to look
at the truth.
Speaker 16 (44:40):
Of what is.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
It doesn't have to be perceived as positive or negative,
it's just what is true right now, and then being
honest with yourself about it.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Well, talk about some of the mental health and mental
health things that you've been talking about that I feel
have been commercialized to a point where people are using
these terms but they don't really mean it right, So.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
Talk about that a little about to make dev go off?
Speaker 7 (45:01):
Now, Yeah, no, I want to talk about it, you know,
because it really bothers me because I hear people using
these terms, and I'm sure they don't even know what
these terms mean, right, Like you say, somebody, you just
gas lit me, And I feel like sometimes it actually
stops a conversation because sometimes when people hear those words,
they automatically say, oh, I ain't that I'm not talking
about that, especially in a workplace where you can't have
a normal conversation if somebody says something, because now when
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you hear those terms, that also comes after human resources,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Absolutely, Yeah, I mean there's just so much, and I
think people should really do like a lot of deeper
layers of research, right Like I think the Internet is
phenomenal in that the last five years, our consciousness has
raised so much since the pandemic because we have had
access to understand Hey, a lot of people have experienced trauma,
or a lot of people have experienced life frictions or
(45:48):
you know, deeply challenging relationships. But everyone is stopping at
like one graphic, right Like they're stopping at reading one
thing or asking chat GPT one question and then they
leave it there, you know, and it's like, so I
think a lot of terms like understanding, like a lot
of people are overusing the term like narcissist or narcissism right,
(46:10):
not getting your way with someone or someone kind of
even being self focused, Like every single person alive has
some layer of narcissistic behavior. That's part of like the
human expression too, it's some self focus. But narcissistic abuse
is something entirely different. And those that have experienced understand,
like you get CPTSD from it, You get PTSD from it,
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you have changes in your body, your health decreases, like
it is a psychological warfare that is insidious and can
dramatically change the trajectory of your life. Now, if that
level of feeling isn't really happening to you, it may
not be narcissistic abuse, you know. And so I think
we just need to go deeper into the layers of
(46:54):
the things that we're learning. And I will say people
that misuse language or use it as tools of avoidance
typically those are the people that usually are on the
other side and fit the other kind of definitions for
those things.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
One thing you told me one time that makes so
much sense, And I love the fact that you give
so many actual examples of how to.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
Do it in the book.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
You told me that when it comes to the language,
you can have the language and know what it is
you're dealing with. But a lot of people avoid the
actual healing, the healing work. So if you read the book,
there's a lot of different exercises that can walk you
through that actual healing process.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Why do you think, you know, people forget the healing
part once.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
They go to therapy because it's hard, you know, And
I think it and that's the thing that I really
speak to very clearly in my book. It's like, all
of this is hard. There is no tip or trick
to heal from challenging experiences, right, Like, I'm not going
to tell you, all right, do this five minutes every day. Yes,
five minutes every day will build your capacity, but you
(47:55):
need to stretch past the five minutes to devote actual
real time to the changes you want to see in
your life. And so, you know, something I talk about
in the book is like, there's a huge difference between
having self awareness and having higher consciousness or being embodied
in your self awareness. Self awareness is having the terms.
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It's going to a couple therapy sessions perhaps or reading
a bunch of self help books and saying like this
is what happened, and this is why I act like this,
and this is why this is this. But it doesn't
mean you're changing any of it, right, Like, it doesn't
mean you're taking it to the next step to behave
differently or to invite in different experiences with people. And
(48:36):
that comes through practice, that comes through process. And so
in this book I talk about a lot like how
to Get out of your Way. A lot of people
have a lot of sophisticated language around avoiding themselves. You
can avoid yourself with anything. You can avoid yourself with therapy.
You're seeing the same therapist for ten years, and nothing
in your life changes what's going on in there, you know,
(48:59):
or you know, I see a lot of people avoid
themselves with religion. You can be a part of a church,
you can go there on Sundays and you can still
not know God, you can still not make better choices. Right.
It is daily practice. It is showing up in your
interpersonal relationships. It is having the hard conversations in real
time as they come up, and just being present with
all of it without expectation. You know, without trying to
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control it or make it go your way. And so
in the book, we have a lot of practices like
I teach meditation in the book, we work with mutras
in the book, which are hand positions that can really
elevate your meditation practice because your hand positions open different
energy channels in your body. There is breath work that
can be done in the book, and every single one
of those practices anchors in the changes that you want
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to experience because it shows you how to regulate when
you do get triggered, when you do have charge, and
so both are needed. You have to have the cognitive
and you have to have the somatic. You have to
have the spiritual, you have to have the physical. All
of it kind of beautiful goes together.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Hi, We have more with dev Brown when we come back.
Speaker 7 (50:03):
A new book, Living in Wisdom, a Path to embody
and your authentic self, embracing grief and developing self mastery
is out right now.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
We'll be back as the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Good morning and warning everybody is the ej Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne,
the God we are to Breakfast Club is still kicking
it with deVie Brown, Charlamagne.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
Why is meditation is so important?
Speaker 13 (50:22):
Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (50:23):
You know, and I think in some other maybe wisdom traditions,
some people might relate to it if you call it
reflection or if you call it moments for contemplation, But
meditation is the master healer because it gets you out
of your identity. And our identity is almost one hundred
percent made from like all of the culturally created beliefs
that we have, or our beliefs from our family of origin,
(50:46):
or you know, the things that we're influenced by via society.
And so when you're able to get out of all
those extra layers of like what your titles are, you know,
what the role you play. I'm a husband, I'm a wife,
I'm a someone's child, brother, sister, friend. When you take
yourself out of all of that, you actually get to glimpse,
like what am I designed to be? What was God's
(51:08):
intention for me of me before I fit into anybody's
box or any relationship. And so the thing about meditation,
and I really want to share this, you know, I
believe in trauma informed practice, and it's a little bit
different to hold that space within the healing community than
if you're not. It's recognizing that a lot of people
will have barriers to almost every healing modality that comes
(51:31):
up because of some of the things that they may
have experienced. So in meditation, you're going through so many layers,
and the first time you try, the first several times
you try, it could be so hard and frustrating and
anger inducing and irritating to sit down and be still,
and it could bring up everything and make you feel
like you're failing at it, and then you want to
(51:53):
stop and then let me go do things I'm actually
good at.
Speaker 13 (51:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
That is literally me.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, that is I feel like I'm missing out on
doing something, or I can be doing this with this time,
or it's not working. It's like, so I grow to
be frustrated when I try to meditate. Man, so I
just need smoking and that. Yeah, well I mean that too.
Speaker 5 (52:11):
Smoking to meditate is like a great little collaboration and
yoga and stretching. But I'm so glad you said that
because I think that is almost everyone's response, but especially
if you have been through hard things. And what I
want everyone to know is that phase passes, and that's
part of what doing the work is, right. It's being
(52:31):
patient with yourself and witnessing yourself, especially when you don't
want to do it and it's saying like God, I'm
sitting here and I hate this, this is stupid. I
don't want to do this. Breathe, breathe, Okay, Okay, we'll
release open your body like you start meeting those feelings
(52:52):
with things that harmonize that experience for you. But eventually
the level you're aiming for is like higher and higher consciousness.
Higher consciousness means a greater ability to be what you
are designed to be on earth and to also extend
love and goodwill and compassion and power and influence to
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others for the higher good of all concerned.
Speaker 6 (53:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (53:16):
You also, you dedicated your book and I'm probably gonna
pronounce her name wrong to my Hascal May Haskell May Haskal,
And I didn't know who that was until I went
to go look it up. And she was a young
woman who was dismembered and encino. What made you want
to dedicate the book to her? And you said, I
pray you are free.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
I have to be really careful talking about this because
the trial hasn't begun yet.
Speaker 6 (53:43):
Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (53:44):
She was a beautiful woman. I had the privilege and
the pleasure of meeting when my son started kindergarten and
our boys were friends. And so my son is in
first grade. So this just happened last year. And you know,
I'm sure the parents listening, Like, when your kids are
in kinder like, you're still very connected to the other families,
(54:05):
right because the kids can't communicate on their own, So
you're creating the play dates. You guys are getting together
for all the birthday parties, like you are seeing each
other almost seven days a week. She was the mother
of this sweet, beautiful little boy that was in class
with my son and two other sons. And her husband
is currently incarcerated for allegedly murdering her and her parents.
(54:32):
And her body was completely dismembered. Her head was taken,
her limbs were taken and not recovered. Her parents were dismembered,
and then their bodies were dispersed in the trash cans
in my neighborhood. There are whorors in this world.
Speaker 19 (54:49):
You know.
Speaker 5 (54:49):
I dedicated my book to her for so many reasons,
but it's really just like if someone takes your whole family,
who remembers you, you know, like I want wanted to
just honor the fact that she was here, that she
was alive, and that I will be thinking about her
every day of my life.
Speaker 7 (55:11):
Living in wisdom, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, Debbie Brown is
out today. I got a lot more questions. I just
don't know where I do.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
Well, okay, Wosa, Yeah? Does everybody need to have a purpose.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
I think everybody does have a purpose. I think what
we get wrong is that purpose has to be quantified
by something, or that it has to make money, you know.
I think, just like so many words are being appropriated
right now within mental health, I think other words are
being used for performance, for really self validation sometimes or ego.
Right like you hear people, well my purpose is this
(55:43):
or you know what's my purpose? And it's just another
thing that you are kind of mispouring yourself into. Purpose,
in my belief, is simply your lived experience and the
wisdom you've bleaned from it. It's the skills you've amassed
in any and everything you could have ever done. It's
your innate gifts, you know, the things that you have
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that God gave you, and it's then using it to serve,
putting it back into service for others and so you know,
it's like I could say my purpose is talking, right,
because I was a broadcaster for years, I lead meditation,
I communicate all the things. But really, like I look
at my purpose as like being able to be in
darkness with people. You know, I think my life's greatest
(56:26):
purpose is the fact that, like I'm not afraid of
the dark and I can be in darker moments and
not recoil with other people, that I can hold space
for that. And I think, you know, that may not
be the most glorious purpose. It's not the thing that's
maybe going to land me on a billboard, but it's
the thing that, like God trained me for. It's the
thing that my life has bloomed into.
Speaker 18 (56:47):
And I love it.
Speaker 6 (56:48):
I love that. I love how you break that down.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
And also you spoke to how people over use words
because half the time people don't even know how to
answer that question, well, what is your purpose?
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Like me, I still don't know what my purpose is.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I mean, I'm grateful for the woman that I'm becoming
in my spiritual growth and everything, but I still don't
know what my purpose is.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
And what if it's not just one thing, you know
what I meaningly.
Speaker 5 (57:11):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 9 (57:12):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, it's not, you know, and like it's okay.
Speaker 5 (57:16):
If finding your purpose takes your whole life, Yes, it's
the point of being alive. Like why do we think
we have to move so quickly through everything? That's the
validation piece, right, Like that's the wanting to be seen
in it or celebrated for it. But like if it's
your life's work, it is supposed to take your whole life.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Because my mother in law, my husband's mother, she literally
just told me she just found out where her purpose is,
and that is to take care of like to oversee
her granddaughter. I just gave her a beautiful granddaughter, her
very first grandchild. And that's what she said, holding a
baby like a few months ago. Oh, I know what
my purpose is now is to be here with my
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family and to take care of my family. Because she
was living out the country for decades.
Speaker 9 (58:02):
That him, that's him. You started.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
This moment, don't They're trying to say, I try to
she came, don't have nothing, She came over here to
take care of my child. Every day they joke about
her being Yes, literally, you know.
Speaker 5 (58:35):
Man, I understand the friction in this room. I get
like just.
Speaker 8 (58:40):
Because living in with them have to Embodying your authentic self,
Embracing grief and developing self mastery available everywhere you buy books.
Speaker 6 (58:50):
Now go pick it up. If you love the sound
of Dev's voice.
Speaker 8 (58:53):
If you miss her on the radio, you can go
get the audio version as well, and make sure you
subscribing her podcast, The Deeply Well Podcast on the Black Back.
Speaker 6 (59:00):
iHeartRadio podcast Network.
Speaker 9 (59:01):
Dev.
Speaker 6 (59:01):
You already know I love you to death.
Speaker 5 (59:03):
Thank you three, I love you big fan.
Speaker 6 (59:05):
Remember her knocking nobody up? That never happened. We have
to get back to that.
Speaker 3 (59:11):
Give each other grace, even the oldest.
Speaker 6 (59:12):
It's the breakfast all the versions. Shout out to Debbie
brown Man.
Speaker 8 (59:16):
Make sure you're gonna pick up her new book, Living
in Wisdom of Path Embodying your authentic self, Embracing grief
and developing self mastery.
Speaker 6 (59:24):
Yes, flu to Debbie. All right, we are the Breakfast Club.
Let's get to the Latest with.
Speaker 3 (59:27):
Lauren be coming straight fast.
Speaker 9 (59:31):
She gets them from somebody that knows somebody detail.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
I'm a home girl that knows a little bit about everything.
Speaker 6 (59:38):
She'd be having the latest on you.
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Sometimes you have.
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Sometimes you have details, sometimes you have a little bit
of every time, it's the latest on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (59:51):
So Mss Tina Knowles revealed and sit down exclusively with
People magazine that she'd actually been battling and she's now
cancer free, stage one breast cancer.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Let's take a while.
Speaker 20 (01:00:02):
I'm doing great, cancer free, feeling great, and just feeling
very incredibly blessed that, you know, God allowed me to
find that early.
Speaker 9 (01:00:13):
Well.
Speaker 21 (01:00:14):
I struggle with whether I would share that journey because
I'm very private, but I decided to share it because
I think it's a lot of lessons in it for
other women. I wanted to make sure that they knew
how important it is not to slack on your mammograms
because you don't have to let this. I mean you,
we can ah catch cancer at stage one, it's even
(01:00:36):
stage zero. I didn't know that there was a stage zero.
I could have caught this at stage zero if I
had not missed my mammogram, but I did because of
COVID and as a result, it was stage one.
Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
It could have been stage zero.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
So you have to go get your mammograms.
Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
Well, God bless Unless you was able to catch it
early man.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
And I love to hear when when people talk about
their journey right, because sometimes people forget or they don't
talk about it enough, like, yeah, missed us, but she
was able to catch us four years later. Even with
Charlemage myself talking about colonoscopies. People need to go to
the doctor. You need to get checked out because you
need to catch it before it gets worse, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And I remember there used to be like an age
requirement for you used to have to wait to your
forty to get a mammogram.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Now you can get it like in your twenties.
Speaker 8 (01:01:22):
And I'm sure if you've got a history in your family,
they probably encourage you to go get it earlier.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
So I definitely encourage and there's a young woman to
get them too.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
There another way. I thought there was another way of
doing a mammogram. I know there's one way.
Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
The women actually splashed down. Yeah, but then there's another
way to show us you don't even.
Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Have I wish there was another way though, like they
didn't have to like they have all the stuff. Yeah,
maybe he was holding here.
Speaker 22 (01:01:45):
I was.
Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
That was awkward, you know, just want to put it
in the machine or they keep it all awake when
they do that. So it's not like.
Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
They said herts is painful her, Yes, it is painful.
Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Did knock you out? You're like, we're awake, but like.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
They like put pressure, they knock you off, put.
Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
You to sleep. Lets you unless you want to be awake,
have to sleep?
Speaker 13 (01:02:10):
Was quick?
Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
You know they put you to sleep.
Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
You knocked out?
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Wow, that's over my physical today.
Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
I cannot say that.
Speaker 6 (01:02:20):
I can say that talking about prostate exams, but you.
Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
Can't say that ridiculous. But I'm going today.
Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I know you.
Speaker 9 (01:02:35):
Just want to be texted.
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Went through? Why is having to.
Speaker 9 (01:02:43):
That's the case?
Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Well, she's so, Miss Sena knows is promoting her book Matriarch,
So she has been talking or releasing a lot of
the you know, different exscerpts from the book. And in
one of the the passages, she actually talks about uh,
Beyonce and jay Z and how Beyonce chose to be
with jay Z because she says, at the time, Beyonce
was actually dating another guy and.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
It was like really serious.
Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
But at the same time she had started dating jay
Z and Beyonce came to her she was dating she
wasn't in a relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
She was just dating. And she came to Messina and.
Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Was like, I don't know what to do because at
this point, like the I think both the guys that
came into Houston, at one point, she was like, I
need to make a decision.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
So Messina was like, well, how do you feel?
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
And she was like, I already knew what was jay
Z for her, and when they talked about it, it
was him, and that's where she decided to go. And
she was like, you know, they were young, just talking
on the phone, barely getting to spend time with each other.
He would come and do dinner at her house because
they couldn't go anywhere for real, and that's how the
relationship developed early on. She also talked about y'all remember
back in twenty eleven, when Beyonce got pregnant with Blue Ivy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
People were saying that she didn't deliver the baby. Yes,
Miss Tina for the first.
Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Time talked publicly about how she felt going through all
of that because she was told not to say anything.
Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Let's say, listen, I want to talk about saying and
the impact I had on a family. He said specifically
about just the room.
Speaker 21 (01:04:01):
Yeah, what was that like to hear people say the
most horrendous things and to call my whole family a lie,
you know, because we would all have to be part
of that conspiracy and lie about something so sacred it was.
It was one of the worst times in my life
because I couldn't say anything. My daughter was saying no,
(01:04:22):
because you're just gonna make the story bigger, so don't
say anything.
Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
It's gonna go away.
Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
But it didn't go away for a long time. And
it's one of the most painful things for me to
know that that people could just be that disgusting and
people just get to lie and they don't have to
suffer any consequences.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I knew Beyonce would be telling miss Taining like don't
say nothing, but just imagine being the mother having to
shut up and sit back and see because, like she said,
they will all have to be a part of it, right, Yeah,
And this is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
What this girl wanted. That's what she wanted for a
while a long time, and y'all talking about this fate.
Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
She also got into details of like Beyonce and Jase's
wedding and talked about how they had to do it
so private because again they didn't want it to get out,
so they literally had to do it inside of a
house and Miss Tina and Jay's mom cooked the food.
Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Like everything had to be so private, so sacred.
Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
She also, for the first time in this book, talks
about her split from mister Matthews and let me make
sure I get mister in there.
Speaker 19 (01:05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
So she She says that they were married in nineteen
eighty divorce in twenty eleven, but it was because he
was a really, really horrible cheater. He actually had a
baby within their marriage and that was like the last
straw fold.
Speaker 13 (01:05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
She said that, like.
Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Two thousand and nine is when he had the baby
on her. But before that he would do some crazy
things when they came to cheating, and she would take
them back every time because she kind of just couldn't
let it go. And then when that happened, she was like, Nah,
I can't do this, and it actually thought about getting
together at some point, but she was like, she knew
that the girls would be upset at him.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
He has other kids outside of Beyonce and Solange. Yeah, no,
where that baby, the baby that he had, it's it's uh,
it's a boy. I think it's his son.
Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Let me look this up. He has side of Beyonce
and Solan. She has Nixon, Alexander Knows and Cooy Michael Knows.
Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
So two kids, yes, two sons.
Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
You know Tina named Beyonce and Solange because them names
sounded regular.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Regular, right, Okay, yeah, yes, the matriarch is now out ye.
Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
And it's all about miss Tina's life and not just
Beyonce and Solange and that, but really about her life,
her upbringing. She talks about, you know, watching her brother
almost get killed by the cops at one point, and
just yeah, it's a lot that you learned about her
and watching her talk throughout the interviews too.
Speaker 7 (01:06:40):
Matthew Knows. Mister Matthew Knows is not doing any interviews
anymore because he doesn't like when people talk about his
personal life, like they put questions not to ask and
how could you not ask these questions.
Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
When you know Tina Knowles talks about the Missina Knows.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Talks about it and what else is we going to
ask you?
Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Well, I interviewed mister Matthew Knows about he He has
a cancer company that he works with helps people find
like help and aid when you're going through like cancer,
and different things, and we had a very great conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Beyonce never came up and he was super nice.
Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
He wasn't allowed to ask about it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I didn't want to, you know, I.
Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
Was waiting.
Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I'm like, y'all gonna let me just say I did
want y'all know I wanted to, but he was.
Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
He was bragged about it, like it didn't come up
once better not.
Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Happy birthday, John Cena. Get that it's John the birthday.
Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
He just broke the record too.
Speaker 8 (01:07:34):
He's I think he's he's been w W champion seventeen times,
broke Flair's record.
Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeap, he follows me on Twitter. Isn't that right?
Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
Really?
Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Johnsy Hey, y'all, I know that's right. You're having some
of the most random like wait potential no, no, no
like that, like what what?
Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
Don't get the days up?
Speaker 13 (01:07:52):
Next? Right?
Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Yesterday?
Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Who getting down too?
Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
Man?
Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
Before after that hour? We need the US Apartment of
Education to come to the congregation. We'd like to have
a word with him.
Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Places all right, we'll get to that next.
Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
It's the breakfast club.
Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
If you're locked into the breakfast.
Speaker 22 (01:08:03):
Club, your execution on the donkey of the day is
something to go for the reason they gave me donkey
other day and I deserve that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
You need to know, you need to tell them, I
am you have tell them.
Speaker 6 (01:08:17):
It's time for donkey of the day.
Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
It's a reed.
Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
But you're so good at Charlomagne.
Speaker 9 (01:08:23):
Want Charlomage as.
Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
Solomame?
Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Who do you give a dusky the other day?
Speaker 13 (01:08:28):
Soon?
Speaker 16 (01:08:29):
Now?
Speaker 9 (01:08:30):
Well?
Speaker 8 (01:08:31):
Sexy red donkey today for Wednesday, April twenty third goes
to the US Department of Education, who under the Trump
administration announced on Monday that they will resume debt collections
for federal student law and borrowers who have defaulted on
their debts. So millions of borrows are at risk of
having federal payments are portions of their salaries without in
the coming months because the White House said it can
(01:08:53):
and will take borrowers wages, pensions, and tax refunds.
Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
Let's go to KAA NBC five for the report Please.
Speaker 23 (01:09:00):
Major whiplash for millions of federal student loan holders. For
the first time in five years, the Department of Education
will start collecting restart collecting, that is, federal student loans
in default. Student loans go into default after two hundred
and seventy days without any payment. The Trump administration said
in a statement quote, there will not be any mass
(01:09:23):
loan forgiveness.
Speaker 12 (01:09:24):
The Trump administration has announced we will put an end
to Joe Biden's illegal loan bailout attempts.
Speaker 23 (01:09:30):
Loans have been on pause since March of twenty twenty
because of COVID nineteen. The Biden and Harris administration even
tried to cancel the debts.
Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
Of millions of borrowers.
Speaker 23 (01:09:41):
Now, the Trump administration says the previous administration did not
have authority to cancel that debt, and it will start
collections as soon as May.
Speaker 12 (01:09:52):
Fifth debt cannot be wiped away. It just ends up
getting transferred to others. So why should Americans who didn't
go to college or went to college responsibly paid back
their loans pay for the student loans of other Americans.
Speaker 8 (01:10:04):
I didn't go to college, so I don't have student
loan debt, so this won't impact me. But that doesn't
mean I'm not gonna care about this, Okay. The reason
I care about this is because I care about people,
all right.
Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
Period. It doesn't matter what your financial situation is.
Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
If you live in a country where people are barely
getting by, that is not gonna make for a pleasant society.
Not to mention, working class people are a benefit to
our business. Okay, working class people who are listening to this.
They're the ones who listen to the show every day.
Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
They are the people who buy books, they come to
the comedy shows.
Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
They'll spend their harder money to be at the Black
Effect Podcast Festival they Saturday in Atlanta. And every working
class person in this country should be able to pay
their bills and have a little left over for recreation. Okay,
they should have some money for leisure activities. And if
you're voted for Donald Trump because he promised to make
the economy better.
Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
You gotta be scratching your head right now. Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Donald Trump said he was gonna make the economy better
on day one. What all he's done so far is
cut federal programs that benefit working class people, put elon
muskin charge.
Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
To fire a bunch of federal workers.
Speaker 8 (01:11:01):
This half assed trade war that's going on, that's hurting
our wallets and four one K plans, and now the
White House is bringing more pain than millions of Americans
by restarting debt collection for student loan borrowers.
Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
Who have fallen into default.
Speaker 8 (01:11:16):
I hope that you all realize this is just politicians
playing with the lives of people again. Right I was
reading an op ed that Linda McMahon wrote in The
Wall Street Journal, and she blamed the Biden administration and
universities for making empty promises to students.
Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
While pocketing their loan dollars.
Speaker 8 (01:11:31):
She said, greedy colleges have profited massively from Biden era
forgiveness measures. When I read that, I said to myself, Oh,
the American people once again have to suffer because of
this pissing contest between Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
See.
Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
I hate when political parties do that.
Speaker 8 (01:11:46):
If Republicans do something that's good and benefit people, dim
should let it stand. If Democrats do something that's good
that benefits people, Republicans should let it stand. Linda McMahon
said colleges profit massively from Biden era forgiveness loans. Well,
there are plenty of corporations, institutions, and people in the
Trump administration who profit massively from things y'all do too.
(01:12:07):
I honestly don't care as long as the working class
people are getting some relief. When the rich get richer
and the poor don't get a devil damn thing.
Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
That's not good.
Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
But if the rich get richer, and people are able
to get some money in they pocket too so they
can live, that's a beautiful society.
Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:12:22):
And I don't want to hear you idiots say no,
they gotta pay these loans back. You can't get a
loan and not pay it back. Sure, but how come
there is never that sense of urgency to pay loans
back when it comes to these corporations.
Speaker 6 (01:12:33):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
Two thousand and eight financial crisis, US government bailed out banks,
AIG got one hundred and eighty two billion, City Group
got forty five billion in TART funds and hundreds of
billions in loan guarantees. Bank of America got forty five
billion through the TART program. Those were loans. Two thousand
and nine, Auto Industry GM got fifty billion in federal aid,
Chrysler got twelve billion. GM filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy
(01:12:56):
and had over thirty billion in debt wiped out. What
about during COVID Delta, United American Airlines OH got billions
in payroll support and loans. And my point is I
don't ever hear or see about these corporations getting pressure
to pay money back the way we are so quick
to do American citizens.
Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Yes, I'm glad all.
Speaker 8 (01:13:14):
These institutions were able to stay afloat. We need those institutions.
We need the airlines, we need the banks, but don't
we need the American people too? Is it really going
to hurt us as a country if we don't garnish
the wages of student loan borrows, if we don't take
from their pensions their tax refunds. Is it really going
to make or break us as a society if we
choose to simply let those folks be.
Speaker 6 (01:13:33):
For the time being.
Speaker 8 (01:13:34):
Why at a time like this, with the Department of
Education and the Trump administration be doing this because it's
not about what's right, it's about revenge.
Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
I'm not a Joe Biden fan. I think his legacy
is trash.
Speaker 8 (01:13:45):
But the student loan forgiveness that he provided was great, Okay,
one of the better things on his resume. But Donald
Trump is hell bent on wiping his ass with Joe
Biden's resume. It's that simple, and we the people have
to suffer because folks have political scores to settle. Please
let me be ma give the US Department of Education
the biggest he hull he ha he ha.
Speaker 9 (01:14:07):
You stupid mother, Are you dumb?
Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
That's what we said earlier. It makes no sense none whatsoever.
Speaker 18 (01:14:14):
They deserve that.
Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
All right, well, thank you for that donkey of the day, Yes, ma'am.
Now when we come back, Olyncia Johnson will be joining us.
She has a new book called Flip the Tables, and
we're gonna talk to her next.
Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
What's the whole No, what's the whole book?
Speaker 13 (01:14:27):
Name?
Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Clip the Tables?
Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Know what Clip the tables?
Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Because every days this guide to finding courage and make
him change.
Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Your book title better be shorten than the way you
becoming that is. I'm going back and forth with them
right now. We'll talking about oh you need a sub title,
and why.
Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
That's what it should be called, and why its club coded.
Speaker 9 (01:14:51):
It's some breakfast club.
Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Morning everybody in steej Envy just hilarious.
Speaker 7 (01:14:58):
Charlamagne the guy, we are the breakfast this club low
on La Ross here as well, and we got a
special guest.
Speaker 6 (01:15:02):
In the building.
Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
Yes, indeed, her new book, Flip the Tables is out
right now. We have Alynsia Johnson. Welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
How you feeling.
Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
That's so good.
Speaker 22 (01:15:12):
Interesting to say that in the midst of everything going on,
but that's good taking care of myself and getting this
message out.
Speaker 6 (01:15:18):
We find enjoy what we can, right right, we have
to you got to the Way to Surviving.
Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (01:15:22):
I love the title of your book because I think that,
you know, people don't ever expound on that part of
Jesus enoughing.
Speaker 18 (01:15:28):
You know what I mean that crank Jesus.
Speaker 8 (01:15:30):
Yes, flip the tables that every day disrupt this guide
to finding courage and making change?
Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
Break that title death.
Speaker 22 (01:15:36):
Yeah, you know, I'm glad you mentioned that reference. I'm
Pastor's daughter.
Speaker 18 (01:15:40):
I love that story of Jesus.
Speaker 22 (01:15:41):
And in all of my work, I've worked on a
lot of presidential campaigns, I've worked for a Planned parenthood.
People constantly ask me, oh my goodness, how can I
make change? They think it has to be at this
massive scale. But what I realize is that when we
find the courage to really be ourselves and to live
in our truth, and to speak up and rooms and
do these small acts of disruption every single day, it
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doesn't actually require folks to quit their jobs.
Speaker 18 (01:16:06):
And run for office. So I don't think a lot
of people should do that.
Speaker 22 (01:16:08):
It doesn't require us to be like doctor King or
you know, having these massive platforms which are really important.
But there are things that folks can do every single day.
And I found that getting connected to your individual purpose
and having the courage to be who you are is
directly connected to being an everyday disruptor that propels our
communities forward. And I think it's kind of divine that
(01:16:29):
it's such a time as this that it came out
when I started writing this book five years ago, and
who knew that it would come out three months after
a few months after Donald Trump was elected.
Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
Again, you worked on the VP's campaign, right, and you
do work? You worked with Barack, Yeah, I worked on
I worked by A.
Speaker 22 (01:16:46):
Lama's campaign, Jo Biden's campaign, was with Born's campaign and
Vice President Hair's campaign.
Speaker 8 (01:16:50):
What bothers me is, I know people like you exist
in people like you work for these individuals.
Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
Why aren't they disruptive enough? Why don't they flip tables?
Why do they? Why did they don't? Why don't why
don't they have the courage to disrupt the status quot
All of them, all of them.
Speaker 22 (01:17:06):
Well, you know, it's interesting because I don't I don't
want to say I look at well, I don't think
I look at all of them.
Speaker 18 (01:17:12):
In essence the same.
Speaker 22 (01:17:15):
In democratic politics and politics in general, elected officials, I
think tend to follow a certain path, right, and sometimes
it seems as though making sure that the status quo remains.
I do think, if we step back a little bit,
Barack Obama was a bit of a disruptor because him
because his ID, his identity, but and because he you know,
(01:17:39):
folks told him he shouldn't have ran, and he and
he did. Right Now, there's a whole system at play
that folks. You know, when you become the president of
the United States or nominee for the President of the
United States, you know you uphold this party platform. But
the reality is I don't look at them to disrupt
what our country needs politically. I actually look at as
(01:18:00):
the people in the ground swell. Which is why it's
just as important. Yes, I work for a lot of
presidential campaigns, but just as important to work for these
local races, to work for these primary races, to work
for these governors races, all these people who are actually
trying to challenge the system and get more reflective folks
in position to actually push forward the policies who care about,
(01:18:21):
like universal health care and racial justice and access to abortion,
all those things. And so you know, it takes a
lot of courage to shake the table, and it takes
a lot of courage to concede that if you're going
to shake the table, you actually might lose in the
short term, but you're going to create a path for
other people to push forward that change, and it will
(01:18:41):
be a little bit easier because you were there and
you started something.
Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
How did you get into politics? What got you into
politics in that party?
Speaker 22 (01:18:47):
Again, I think it was always in me. I talk
about my late grandmother in the book often. I actually
dedicate the book to her, Miss Ozella Bennett, and she
was one of those people who, much like a lot
of our ancestors, their names aren't history books, but they
were foot soldiers. My grandmother was in the church. I'm
the daughter pastor, so I grew up in the Black Church.
And there's a lot of politics there, right, a lot
(01:19:07):
of social justice there, and just this understanding that were
much as given, much is required, that my gifts are
not my own, and that they are actually on loan,
and that I actually have to get those out and
help the world around me.
Speaker 18 (01:19:19):
And my grandmother, no matter.
Speaker 22 (01:19:21):
How much she had or what she didn't have, she
always felt like she had to stand in the gap.
And voting for me is just all I mean. I
would go to with my parents, who the voting blu
that had that little sticker, But that was just like
one part of it. I had to be an active
participant in the world that I wanted to create, and
so for me, it was just kind of natural that
it would be a part of my life.
Speaker 18 (01:19:41):
Now, how I got to my position I talk about.
Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
In the book.
Speaker 22 (01:19:44):
I didn't know anybody in democratic politics when I moved
to DC. I was working a corporate job. I just
had a dream.
Speaker 18 (01:19:49):
I was like, Oh, this black man is president.
Speaker 22 (01:19:51):
I think I kind of want to work for his
reelection campaign and figured out how to network with folks
and ended up taking a job that I wasn't even
qualified for, but they took a chance on me, and
I figured it out from there. And I can't just
sit on the sidelines and critique something and not be
a part of it. And I also understand how engaging
if so many more of us engaged in the process,
(01:20:13):
the outcomes will look different, our communities will look different.
But for whatever reason, there are so many barriers for
us to engage. And that's another reason why I wanted
to be part of this, because I felt like, well,
if I can do this and people can identify with me,
maybe it won't feel as hard for me to engage
in politics. Maybe you know, I won't feel a shame
that I don't know every single term that they're using
or every single way that the policy is defiled.
Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 22 (01:20:34):
Sometimes when I have to go and see it MSNBC
and talk about something, I got a research what I'm
talking about because government class was in high school.
Speaker 18 (01:20:40):
I'm thirty seven years old. I don't remember everything.
Speaker 22 (01:20:43):
And so if I can't remember all these things, right,
if I have to continue to inform myself, imagine all
the other people who are just scared to participate because
they don't know. It's not that they don't want to,
and so I know that I have to be a
representative of that. But I also, again, is this calling
where much as given, much as required, and I'm required
to make my communities better.
Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
I think right now, with politics and like how we're
seeing people get messages out through like TikTok and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Things are changing.
Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
And I saw an interview that you did where you
talked about you weren't the most qualified, but you were
the most recommended when it came to working for the Obamas.
And then I saw another interview where you talked about
your red Flag is You chapter in your book, and
putting both of those together, I think that there's like
a renaissance of like new political leaders, but they're afraid
that they don't know enough for it, that they can't
challenge the trumps of the world, you know what I mean.
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So how do you speak to those leaders that are
coming up in this book? Because they're there, they just
need to figure out how to do what you did.
Speaker 22 (01:21:34):
No, they literally are there, which is why I start
the book with the disruption of self right. We actually
have to look in the mirror, and that's the hardest
thing to do. One thing that I've realized in working
and advocacy spaces and political spaces.
Speaker 18 (01:21:46):
I'm not controuble for saying this.
Speaker 22 (01:21:47):
But we're telling the world to treat us well and
to vote for us to enact these policies that see
us as worthy for humanity and all of these things
and fighting for justice, and yet we're not treating each
other well.
Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
Right.
Speaker 18 (01:22:00):
A lot of that is because we are not healthy.
Speaker 22 (01:22:02):
We're not dealing with the things that are holding us
back from being who we are. We're not dealing with
this trauma, and we're doing this interpersonal harm that is
actually not allowing us to do the work that needs
to be done for communities. And so I put that
chapter the Red Flag is You and the Disruption of
Self section of the book because so many times we
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are the ones that are getting in our own way.
And that's why, you know, the only things stopping us. Sometimes, yes,
there's the system, right like, there's all of that, and
yet at the same time, sometimes it's us getting in
our own way.
Speaker 7 (01:22:33):
I we have more with Alynsia Johnson when we come back.
Her new book, Flip the Tables is out now. It's
the Breakfast Club, Good Morning Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy,
Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, thea God. We are the Breakfast Club.
Laura Laarosa is here as well. We're still kicking with
Alynsia Johnson. Her new book flip the tables is out
right now, Lauren?
Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
What about your because I know you did a lot
of work with planting parents who and now a lot
of what you were doing is they ain't supporting that.
So when you do all this work, you stopped taking
the rest to fight to make it, to break this ground.
And then you see this new administration come in who's
completely against it, and it's stripping all of that. You
feel defeated or like what happens now? Because you're not
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there anymore?
Speaker 22 (01:23:12):
No, I mean, and then they have the audacity to
talk about they want to put policies in place for
people to have more babies and give people five thousand dollars.
I'm like, but y'all voted against the child tax credit.
So what's interesting about working at Planned Parenthood? I worked
there for six years at the National Office, and talk
about disruptive, being the daughter of a pastor, a lover
of Jesus and advocating for abortion rights. People are like,
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how do you reconcile that? I was like, I just exist, literally,
I just exist. And the teachings of Jesus, the ret
text in the Bible tells me a lot of ways
in which I should show up in the world. When
I look at when I was working at Plane Parenthood,
President Obama was still in office, and I was like, oh,
we're good.
Speaker 18 (01:23:50):
You know, he believes and reproductive freedom.
Speaker 13 (01:23:52):
This is great.
Speaker 18 (01:23:52):
And they're like, oh no, let's look at.
Speaker 22 (01:23:53):
These state policies and these states that are overturning the
right to access to abortion, not only access to abortion,
but sex education, contraception, all of these things, and just
gutting healthcare systems and health centers that are helping people
who have nowhere else to go. When I look at
what's happening now at the federal level, and you know,
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the Trump administration is literally going after organizations like Planned Parenthood,
it reminds me that these people do not care about
people at the margins. They do not care about low
income folks who have nowhere else to go. And if
you actually wanted people to have more children in this country,
would you would actually support and bolster the healthcare system
instead of gutting it. Last week was Black Maternal Health Week,
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and Black maternal mortality is on the rise. Maternal mortality
across the country, across the demographics is on the rise.
And the wealthiest nation and so it's challenging, it's frustrating.
There's this Alice Walker quote I put at the beginning
of the book, and I'm paraphrasing it. You have to
keep a healthy soul on the face of constant of depression,
which reminds you that at the end of the day,
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there's going to continuously be something that you're fighting for.
So how do you maintain your spirit in order to
keep going? And that is through the joy and the
rest and all of those things can coexist together while
you're also still fighting for the ability to have agency
over my body. The one thing I will say of
everything being burned down, from abortion access to everything that's
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happening in our country, it gives us the opportunity to
build something better and something new. I don't want to
rebuild the old, because the old was clearly it was
able to be dismantled. I actually now want to be
able to imagine something even better that's actually going.
Speaker 18 (01:25:39):
To work, and how do we build that? And that's
actually what gets me up at night.
Speaker 22 (01:25:43):
I'm like, I'm not fighting these people to rebuild what
didn't work. I have this vision that excites me to
build something even better. Even on the days that are
hard and.
Speaker 18 (01:25:54):
That's too simple.
Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
Even going back to the urgency, and now when people
ask us now, they tell us all of these different
things that Trump is doing every single day, and they're like,
what what do you think of that? And I'm like,
I don't know what to think because I'm like, what
am I even supposed to do? Because it always seems
like the urgency is put on we the people, right,
But then when these elected officials that we voted for
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from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, when they were
in the White House, they didn't govern with a sense
of urgency. That's what always gets me about Democrats. Whenever
it's election time, it's a sense of urgency. It's on y'all.
It's just threat to democracy and you know you're gonna
lose all your rights and everything else. But you don't
govern like that when you get an office.
Speaker 18 (01:26:31):
Yeah, you know, it is frustrating.
Speaker 22 (01:26:33):
I will say, I don't pay attention to what that
man is doing all day every day, because then I'll
just sit in this place where I'm immobile. Right, But
I do look for small pockets of hope, and to
your point, it does end up being us that have
to save our own communities. But like I think that's
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in general nature of who we are as a people,
and that is community. I mean, look at you know,
our friends who started State of the People, which I
was a part of, you all broadcasted and now it's going.
Speaker 18 (01:27:02):
Now there's a whole tour.
Speaker 22 (01:27:04):
Shout out to Angela Rye and Joy Read and so
many folks who are just building something beautiful, reminding us
of our power as community. And I think out of
that birth's people who will govern with urgency of now.
So I write about Aana Presley in the book, but
I also write about Shirley Chisholm, who was just fed
(01:27:25):
up and was like, oh, I'm going to actually be
the one that changes.
Speaker 13 (01:27:30):
You know.
Speaker 22 (01:27:31):
David Hogg, who was the vice chair of the DNC
but was a survivor of Parkland shooting. It's done all
of this activism and now he's challenging. He's getting a
lot of heat.
Speaker 9 (01:27:44):
He's getting a lot of heat.
Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
I have said that.
Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
I said that two months ago. Anybody who's not willing
to fight in the Democratic Party should be primary Kim Jeffries,
Choke Schuma, y'all should resign.
Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
If y'all not the people that can meet this moment.
Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
I really feel that way, and anybody else in the
Democratic Party who's not willing to fight should be primary.
Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
I'm all full with David hag Doing. I said that
months ago, and.
Speaker 22 (01:28:06):
Listen, you know there are some people who disagree with that,
but he said looks and change has. We can't just
keep talking about change. You gotta actually go after and
whether or not you believe and what he's doing, whether
or not you believe that there needs to be new leadership,
whatever it is like, changes don't just happen with we
sit around and wish for it.
Speaker 18 (01:28:24):
We actually have to do something about it.
Speaker 22 (01:28:25):
And sometimes in order to get these folks to operate
with some urgency, you gotta put some pressure and some
cheat under them.
Speaker 6 (01:28:31):
That's why everybody in the party should have had a
copy of this book. Flip the table a lot.
Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
I don't know if they're going to do it though.
They have no choice now, They never never don't have
When do.
Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
We ever have a choice?
Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
No, there's really no choice now.
Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
I feel like it's always a fight or fight, like,
do what you got to do to get out of situation.
It's different, I could be, but I feel like it
is different, but I don't feel like anything has changed
about the way that people are handling it. I don't
really feel the sense of urgency. There was an interview
that you talked about Di You're like, these companies are folding.
It was a Glamour magazine and you said, these companies
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are foting. They don't understand that the proximity to the
president isn't power. Power is showing him that he needs you.
People are not going to do that. Everything that we're
talking about, people just don't do it, you know.
Speaker 22 (01:29:15):
But I think what I hear you and I do
have to remind us all that this man has only
he hasn't even been in office one hundred days. But
because we are in such an information overload forever, it
does like you open Instagram and I'm saying restaurants I
want to go to, and then I'm seeing what this
man is doing in the White House, right, So like
we're in this information overload and yeah, and at the
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same time, I think about at the State of the Union,
shout out to Congressman Green and y'all had him up here,
and I was like, oh my gosh, every single Democrat
should have gotten up right after him and disrupted the
entire speech, right and then when you know Senator Booker
did his filibuster, people were saying, Yes, this is what
(01:29:57):
we need more of. And now you're seeing more people
in the streets, and I think people are are some
of our elected officials are understanding that there's more that
they can do now, and then there is still going
to be some who don't.
Speaker 18 (01:30:10):
And we have midterm.
Speaker 22 (01:30:10):
Elections and special elections, and I am all about getting
people in office who are going to be effective and
also us participating in that. If you, whether you agree
with them or disagree with them, if they represent you,
you have the power and the right to show up
and tell them what is working and what isn't working.
And I want more of us to do. I want
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our elected officials to be scared. I want our elect
officials to be like, my constituents aren't going for this,
or my constituents told me I have to do this,
and that's why I'm doing.
Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
It absolutely well.
Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Flip the Tables is out right now.
Speaker 8 (01:30:42):
I'm Cia Johnson, the Everyday Disruptor's Guide to finding courage
and making change. And this isn't a book, you know,
just with politics now just in life.
Speaker 6 (01:30:51):
If you want to learn how to tables like Jesus did, Yes,
more of that.
Speaker 22 (01:30:56):
Yeah, like, can you imagine like Jesus flippant over tables angry?
Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
Yes, I think you should. I think you should find
a table to flip.
Speaker 18 (01:31:03):
Listen. Okay, that's a whole other conversation for us to have.
Speaker 13 (01:31:06):
You w.
Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Lindia Johnson is the club. Good morning y'all, the breakfast.
Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
Club rolling everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
It's DJ Envy J just hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
We are the breakfasts club. You just reminded me saluting
my guy. Mister show me the money, mister show money,
mister show money.
Speaker 8 (01:31:29):
I was in New York, New Jersey over the weekend
and he gave some gifts for Jess and Lauren and
you as well.
Speaker 6 (01:31:34):
But he told me to give you this sombrero. What's
that for? He said?
Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
He said, get at the cowboy. I said, who is cowboy?
He said Envy And I said, why you call him cowboy?
He said, you know what I'm talking about. I don't
know what he's talking about.
Speaker 6 (01:31:46):
And I'm just passing you to some that's a sombrero though.
Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
That's I'm not Mexican and I'm not Latino.
Speaker 6 (01:31:51):
This is well, you're Dominican.
Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
I'm not Dominican. Why do you give me a some
I bet you know how to wear it.
Speaker 6 (01:31:56):
You look at you. You know exactly how to wear it.
Speaker 18 (01:31:59):
That is so cute.
Speaker 6 (01:32:00):
You hate too big for this all over jess in
Law's house. Listen, you know exactly look at you. There
you go, there you go. But that's good. What I
say with it's a barrel like what now you don't know?
Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
I don't Yeah, right, well, speaking of right, I thought
we got to.
Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Take a shot right now, she's about to take a shot. Yeah,
good morning, good day.
Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
I'm actually DJing Tequila Fest in the Landa next week,
so this I'm definitely I'm gonna take my sombreda with me.
Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
There happened this weekend so we could do the Black
Effect Festival and then go drink.
Speaker 6 (01:32:38):
To quila alcoholic. Let's get to.
Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Long be coming straight fat.
Speaker 9 (01:32:44):
She gets them from somebody that knows, somebody gets the detail.
Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything.
Speaker 9 (01:32:51):
She's been having the latest on the Latest with Laurence
La Rosa.
Speaker 8 (01:32:56):
Sometimes you have fact, sometimes you have details. Sometimes you
have a little bit of everything.
Speaker 6 (01:32:59):
It's the on the.
Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
Breakfast cloud talk to me.
Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Ryan Coogler has posted a thank you letter to his
ex account and it is the sweetest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Doing another time right, he deserves to Can you do
too in a row? Is that thank you?
Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
So he posted this letter to his ex account and
he's just talking about how grateful he is and how
his heart is bursting with gratitude because of everybody that
came out and supported Sinners over its opening weekend, over
Eastern weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
He says he wants to think everybody who went and
brought a ticket go see it.
Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
You know, people who carpooled, who you know, got babysitters,
made a new friend while they were there.
Speaker 16 (01:33:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
He talks about how he believes so much in cinema
and the theatrical experience and he doesn't get to do
what he does if people don't come out and see it.
Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
Sinna's was a spiritual experience.
Speaker 8 (01:33:49):
They mixed black music, black magic, the Black Church to
create a black master piece.
Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Man that I kept hearing about was the soundtrack, Like
I kept the music tire. Everything was fired like the music,
the way that it look the coloring, the storyline, the acting.
Speaker 7 (01:34:07):
I'm going this week. I was supposed to go last night,
but I couldn't make it. I'm going this week though,
I'm gonna go again.
Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
I'm gonna go for a third time, just because I
was saying the movie three times.
Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
I know that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Yeah, I'm gonna go again for a third time.
Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
Just first of it was one of the movies different dudes.
Didn't you.
Speaker 13 (01:34:21):
What that? Wow?
Speaker 8 (01:34:25):
Remember I told you she got three dudes that day
on Valentine's Three people send her.
Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Okay, beyond like, I don't first, what should I do?
Speaker 11 (01:34:37):
First?
Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
I went by myself first of all, I swear I
went by myself the first time I watched it.
Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
I watched watch up until.
Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Certain point because we were every time you lie you studied,
the second by.
Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
Myself, and then the third time. I'm gonna go, but
I'm gona tell her what you back there laughing at
because they Okay, anyway back to Ryan Cooler, not nothing
about me. I So he did something that was really
sweet at the end of the letter though he ended
the letter then he said PS and he talked about
the fact that people are making a big deal about him.
Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Michael B. Jordan's relationship, him and his wife's really or.
Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
They're married or they I believe him and his wife's relationship,
and you know other relationships that he's had that you know,
span it across all of these years and helped him
be the creator that he is. But he said he
wanted to take a second to shout out Michael Shaver,
who is their picture editor, who he's been working with
for over fifteen years. And if you see any of
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the photos from the film and just like how cinematic
and then like the photography like the stills or whatever
from the film fire as well too.
Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
But I thought that that was so fired that he
took the time to do that to make sure this
man got a shot.
Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
And he said that this guy miss missed the press
tour because he was spending time with his family, so
he wanted to make sure he got some love as
well too. But Ryan Coogler been he'd been out here
doing the thing individual.
Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
I mustache girl.
Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Well, that's that's the first time I actually saying to
my sayings like that actually looks good because that's Steve Harvey.
Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
But when you put it on Ryane with the straight
bag some nothing else on his face. I can see
I can see that, and he got an.
Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
Unprecedented deal for sentence.
Speaker 13 (01:36:10):
He did so.
Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
He actually did a deal with Warner Brothers where he
will retain the rights to the film centers in twenty
five years.
Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
He gets the ownership price back up.
Speaker 9 (01:36:18):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
And that has been the source of a lot of
conversation as well too, and people are talking about how, well,
so one more thing.
Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
Till he secured a first dollar gross deal.
Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Yes, so what that is? That's important.
Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
It means that he receives a.
Speaker 8 (01:36:31):
Portion of box office revenue before the studio even begins recouping.
Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Wow, which is a big deal. And it deals like
this don't happen often.
Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
I think the last time that people keep pointing back
to that things like this have happened was Quentin Tarantino.
And he mentioned Quentin Tarantino in his letter as one
of his inspirations for what he does as well too.
But as of today, he has grossed forty five point
six million dollars domestically and seventy one million dollars globally
during his open weekend opening weekend.
Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
Yes, we got to keep supporting.
Speaker 8 (01:36:59):
Yes, And that's the original I P Man that's an
original story written by Ryan Coogler, like dropping the clude
bond for Ryan Coole.
Speaker 6 (01:37:06):
That's all of the original I.
Speaker 8 (01:37:08):
P that Hollywood is looking for exist in the South,
Black folklore from the South.
Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
He includes family photos in his letter as well too,
because he talks about how it stems from his ancestry,
which he talks about up here as well.
Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Right's pretty young, right, yeah, he is young. I look
it up. I want to real quick before we get
out of here, go back to Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Back to Shannon Shaa.
Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Well, nothing new happened, nothing crazy as of yet. I
can check my emails. But Stephen A.
Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Smith did go on his show and talk about the situation,
and he had a really good point about the career
stuff and where Disney is right now with everything.
Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 24 (01:37:47):
All I can speak to about is what I know
based on the reports, and I can speak about ESPN
and Disney. To be clear, even though this podcast, this
YouTube show is owned and operated by me solely, it
doesn't mean that I'm going to be dismissive of ESPN,
who employs me in my daytime job. On first ac
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With that being said, it's important to point out a
couple of things. Number One, I was not there, I
am not I can provide no eyewitness account. And even
though I got love and respect for Shannon Sharp and
I'm sincerely hopeful and prayerful that he is completely innocent
of the allegations that have been levied against him, I
can't sit here and speak to his innocence or guilt
(01:38:31):
from a knowledgeable place because I have nothing to do
with this.
Speaker 6 (01:38:34):
I haven't seen anything, I don't know anything. I don't
even know this person.
Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
So, I mean people wanted to update from the career side,
ESPN Disney see where that was going to go, and
I guess this is the close you're gonna get to it.
Before this happened, though, I think a lot of people
were saying the obvious that normally with a company like
a Disney, they don't want to get in the mud
to mess at all.
Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
They normally take a step back. They haven't said anything
officially yet, but let.
Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Me ask a question, what did what did doctor Umar say?
Speaker 13 (01:39:04):
Though?
Speaker 19 (01:39:04):
Oh baby, I'm staying with Uncle Shannon because I don't
like when black men get taken down. I gotta stand by. Yes,
he's a lifetime snow bunny hopper. Yes, he's a lifetime.
Speaker 9 (01:39:15):
Snow bunny hopper.
Speaker 6 (01:39:16):
But that's my brother.
Speaker 9 (01:39:17):
Uncle Shannon Sharp is my brother.
Speaker 19 (01:39:19):
I'm standing with Uncle Shannon Sharp until the facts prove otherwise,
all right.
Speaker 9 (01:39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:39:25):
I don't like seeing brothers get taken down either, especially
when it's self inflicted. But we got to remember, destiny
is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice.
And all of this is happening because it seems like
Shannon Sharp made some poor choices and being fifty four
at the time.
Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
Hollering at a nineteen year old, it's a very poor choice. Okay,
it is what it is.
Speaker 8 (01:39:45):
No, Yes, it's a shakedown, but you know people can't
shake you down or let you give him something to shake.
Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Yeah, well, we don't know what it is yet. Let
the facts play out in court.
Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
It's definitely a shakedown.
Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Well we don't know if. I mean, we don't know
if it's true and.
Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
Not fifty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Okay, So what you're talking about.
Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
Me because if there was, if there was a violation,
it wasn't a shakedown, then she'd be pressing criminal charges
that might be coming next.
Speaker 7 (01:40:11):
I don't know, but you did that That's why I
asked you yesterday. I asked could they still press charges
on them criminally?
Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
I mean some of the stuff is as recent according
to the victim as January twenty twenty five. So I mean,
I don't know every law in the world, but that's
that's like a couple months ago. I don't see why
not right, and just why I would have to look
up the laws in the battle though, and I and
talk to the attorneys.
Speaker 7 (01:40:29):
My Bible says it's a twenty year statue when it
comes to sexual assault.
Speaker 8 (01:40:33):
And just hearing the lawyer say out of his own
mouth that they was close to a ten million dollars settlement.
Why you know, like when you when you settled, it
looks like an admission of guilt or innocent.
Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
Why would you settle?
Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
Or if he does settle it, it doesn't have other
people come out, right. They always say, Michael Jackson settled
out that one case so other people wouldn't come out.
Speaker 6 (01:40:54):
No, that's not what they said.
Speaker 8 (01:40:56):
Johnny Cochran actually told Michael not to settle because as
soon as you settle, you come a pigurement. But everybody
and their mama gonna be coming out with their hand
out and accusations.
Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
People coming out regardless if that's what they want to
do at this point in our day and age.
Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
But can't be guys, remember when remember the Cassie he settled?
Did he settle with her? And then all real day
came like, oh, I.
Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Want everybody came she got three hundred dollars and she
was like, excuse me, arial die. She then gave her
three hundred dollars. So what the damn Masters was worth?
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
It was?
Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I think it was like three yea, three hundreds.
Speaker 6 (01:41:31):
I was about to look at but that with that
to your point, did he settle with Cassie? And then
what happened?
Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Everybody came out?
Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Okay, like I want my page.
Speaker 8 (01:41:37):
But if he was going to settle, he should have
set up before it was a lawsuit kit. Yeah, behind
the scenes, the scene. That's why they don't make no sense.
That's why none of this makes any sense to me.
Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Suggests it was justice corrected.
Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
It was three hundred dollars and thirty cents for she
got the thirty cents, but that was the because she
didn't sign that whole deal with the NBA and the
Masters and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
But yes, just three hundred dollars and thirty cents through
all that for three hundred dollars. And Ryan Coogler is
thirty eight years old. Okay, okay, and happy birthday, George pay. Yeah,
we'll be back with more.
Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Yeah, because we were he had on the summer road
a couple of the birthday. I gotta know the Mexican's birthday.
Speaker 9 (01:42:13):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (01:42:13):
All right, well that is the latest with Lauren and Lauren.
You also talked about earlier that John Cena follows you.
Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
Yeah, Envy, don't do that.
Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
Nothing nothing that Johnson to follow everybody was a million
follows me, Charlie find.
Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
I don't know, excited, you know what?
Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
You know what just recently talked about getting hair plugs
and and bringing back hair.
Speaker 6 (01:42:42):
So you follow him?
Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Maybe you know he follows you.
Speaker 6 (01:42:45):
Maybe you should d.
Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
M wow, Envy, you got so we have when he
put them tarots on them wings.
Speaker 13 (01:42:50):
With you then looking.
Speaker 9 (01:42:52):
Like you're like into the breakfast club.
Speaker 7 (01:42:57):
Morning, everybody is j en Vy just hilarious. Charlamagne to God,
we are the breakfast Club. Salute to Debbie Brown for
joining us today.
Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
Man Slut, my glad sister.
Speaker 8 (01:43:06):
Debbie Brown her new book Living in Wisdom, A path
to embodying your authentic self, embracing grief, and developing self
mastery is out. Now make sure you subscribed to her podcast,
The Deeply Well Podcasts on the Black Effect iHeartRadio podcast Network.
Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
And Debbie will also be at the third.
Speaker 8 (01:43:21):
Annual Black Effect Podcast Festival happening this Saturday in Atlanta.
Speaker 6 (01:43:26):
We have a mental Health and Mindful this panel that
she will she will be sitting on.
Speaker 8 (01:43:30):
Man, so join us, you know, go to Black Effect
dot Com Slash Podcast Festival to get your tickets. Okay,
Sara Jake Roberts will be on that podcast stage. Cam
Newton will be on that podcast stage, Carrie Champion with
the Neked podcast and a host of others. Man, So
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get your tickets and we'll see you Saturday.
Speaker 6 (01:43:49):
And yes, Weezy and Mandy from Decisions.
Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
And also salutes to Alynsia Johnson for joining us this morning.
Speaker 8 (01:43:59):
Yes, her new book, Lift the Tables that every Day
disrupt This guide to finding courage and making change, a
book that Jess Larius does not need to read.
Speaker 6 (01:44:07):
She's already a disruptive.
Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
And listen y'all can catch me May tenth. It's a
pre Mother's Day comedy day. We got three shows in
Detroit at one Mic comedy Club. Make sure you get
your tickets at jess hilarious official dot com. Yes, I'm
doing three shows because I'm only gonna be there for
one day. We got the eleven Am brunch, the early
evening show at seven pm, and then the late night
show at nine thirty pm. So make sure y'all bring
(01:44:31):
y'all mothers, your aunt your grandmother's brothers, bring your sisters, whatever, whatever, whatever.
Just get your tickets and I will be doing meet
and greet at the last show. Jesselari's official dot com.
Can't wait to see your Detroit.
Speaker 7 (01:44:42):
Now it's time to get up out of here. You guys,
have a great day in slute to Atlanta. I'll be
in Atlanta next week all next week, still promoting my
book that's out right now, Real Life, Real Family, and
then of course Tequila Festival.
Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
All right, shelm Man, you got a positive No I do.
Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
I just want to tell everybody man, gratitude.
Speaker 13 (01:44:57):
Man.
Speaker 8 (01:44:57):
Gratitude should always be your attitude. Gratitude is one of
the strongest and most transformative states of being. It shifts
your perspective from lack of abundance and allows you to
focus on the good in your life, which in turn
pulls more goodness into your reality.
Speaker 6 (01:45:12):
So always be grateful. Let gratitude be your attitude. Have
a great day, Breakfast club bites you. I'm finished for y'all.
Speaker 13 (01:45:20):
Done.
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