June 12, 2025 • 37 mins
The Billy & Lisa Show cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show, including some Lisa’s Book Club news; Sabrina Carpenters’ new album and Katherine Loftus is back in studio to answer Karen Read trail questions! Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now this morning show in Boston, Billy and Lisa in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's just a great start to my day on Kids
run Away.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, and what do
you know, it's going to be a nice day today, Liz.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, get out and enjoy.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah. The weekend not so much.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Now it's gonna be cold this weekend.
Speaker 6 (00:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Thirteen straight, thirteen straight, and don't forget tomorrow's Friday, the thirteenth.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
Oh yeah, and you're off, lucky, Bill more unlucky. Who
knows what could happen.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'll be on the island of Nantucket.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, you will for the Nantucket Book Festival.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
As an author.
Speaker 7 (00:41):
Yes, and you think they've heard all of that, and
I'm not going to play them now. But all the
things you've said about Nantucket over the years.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I know you hate Nantucket.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, there was a long period of my life where
I was a huge fan of Nantucket. So I'm reliving
the good times on Nantucket. And yeah, the book festival
is happening. We've actually got Tim talks books.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We do. He is amazing.
Speaker 8 (01:07):
I actually follow him on Instagram and he's really good
friends with Ellen Hildebrand. They have a podcast together. Yeah,
so he's checking in because he's in charge of the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
He runs the Nantucket Book Festival, and he's calling into
the show at nine ten this morning. Speaking of the
book festival, You've got a lot going on with the
book club, Lisa, I dot a big events coming.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Up we do. We have.
Speaker 8 (01:30):
I just confirmed an event with Jody Pico for August
twenty eighth. It's going to be a huge event. It's
going to be a big night live like we did
with mel Robins. Oh yeah, so mark that down in
your calendars, folks, because Jodie's coming to town. She's actually
from Hannover, New Hampshire. She's sold over forty million books.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Whoa forty million?
Speaker 9 (01:53):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, I think we may have sold forty.
Speaker 10 (02:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
By the way, Mine and Jenny's book is called The
Taste of Boston and it's a beautiful book and it's
featured in the festival this weekend on Nantucket.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So who's doing the Q and A? Is it Tim
or is it?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's going to be Jenny's husband. Rob is an author
and he did my book club, yeah, and longtime creator
of Nantucket Magazine and magazine, So it'll be a fun
interview with Rob. But while we're there, we're also shooting
a Don't Forget Dining Playbook is a half hour program
on Netson. We're shooting a one hour special called a
(02:35):
Taste of Nantucket Awesome. So we're going to be working
around the clock.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Are you doing ice cream shops?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I don't know if we're going to make it in
the Pearl.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I don't think I'm allowed within a block of the
ice cream shop that.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I make fun of all.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
What's the name of that place?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It's like a juice bar slash ice cream place where
people wait in line for hours to get an ice
cream cone. Yeah, so you know what, Yeah, I could
get a lot of clap back on Nantucket.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But they've got some wonderful restaurants and will feature those
and some of the properties that are up for grabs
on the island.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Is the Pearl.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
One of the restaurants, Uh, yeah, the Pearl is don't
do this just we said we weren't going to.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I want, I want, you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Know I one of the restaurants.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
One of the feature restaurants will be doing on the
show is Proprietors and you might remember American seasons, at
least they used to own on Nantucket American seasons. They
also have black eyed Susans. Uh so, a lot of
really really talented chefs. What's the one on the beach
that you sent me to when I went to Nantucket? Oh,
cliff Side maybe, yeah, Galley, the galley at cliff Side, Yeah, yeah, beautiful, Yeah,
(03:47):
the Galley's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Table in the sand anyone?
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Actually, we had a table in the sand.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Of course you did, because I used my clout.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Yeah, well, is Linda going to be there?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, Linda lives there. You mean Linda Bill Belichick's x
Yeah Linda.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yes's Lisa. Ye be quick.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I have a four pm ferry of Nantucket and I'm
already wait.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
As all hell.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I had a snafoo with a pet resort, I said, Brianna,
let me stop you right there, Okay, stop you right there.
I've been coming here for thirty years, and I uploaded
the paperwork into the portal myself. I have a six
o'clock reservation at Delly Beach and I'll die finally, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
That's the fact that we have the perfect No, that's crazy,
so crazy. Yeah, it's all about Nantucket.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I kind of want to go now.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, flying there right after the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And beautiful Nantucket.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Oh, the island, the Gray Lady. A half hour flight.
How long is a flight? I'll be the gray Man
on the Gray Lady. I love that. How Oh it's
like thirty minutes. Oh God, I have that.
Speaker 11 (05:04):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Oh yeah, Dona Door. We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I made a lot of great authors, a lot of
great chefs.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
We're gonna do at I was doing the book club,
the Nantuca bookcastal Lisa Genova.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I saw her really too.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And Ellen Hildebrand will probably be there right because she
does a podcast with Jim Talking calling in Books, Beach
and Beyond.
Speaker 9 (05:27):
From the Planet Fitness, Kiss One Away Studios.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
We're back with a Billy and Lisa in the Hornet
on Kiss.
Speaker 9 (05:34):
Now the Entertainment Updates with a Billy Copstad.
Speaker 12 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
We're going right in the weekend to have the second
two shows out at your Lyte Stadium. Last night, we
sent a lot of people to the show. They sent
us talkbacks and we gave them tickets and Amber one
tickets on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show and sent
us a talkback from the show last night.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Hi about the weekend right now?
Speaker 10 (05:58):
Thank you so much?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Kiss wait, I love you guys.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 13 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What a beautiful night for a show.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh yeah, And that's how it works. The best summer ever.
And it continues this morning. If you thought the weekend
show was a big deal, wait till you hear what
we have coming up. And will announce all the details
of the new contest coming up at a ten this morning.
And we now have a release date for the new
Sabrina Carpenter album. We're playing the first single, Manchild. So
(06:37):
the album comes out August twenty ninth. It's called Man's
Best Friend and the cover art has Sabrina on all
fours being well, for lack of a better phrase, walked
like a dog with a guy pulling her hair. And
the cover art is sparking some controversy. In the photo,
(06:58):
she's like, I said, yeah, she's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
On off course. Yeah, she looks great.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I have to say, it's beautiful, fabulous.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
And then there's like a little furry friend with a
dog collar, and on the dog collar it has Man's
best Friend on the little tag.
Speaker 12 (07:14):
Come on, Sabrina, let her come after you, crawling on
her hands and knees like a dog.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Well, that's all.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I can think about last night. I couldn't wait to
get in this morning.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Play that well.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
A lot of the comments are angry at Sabrina on
social of course they.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Are totally she's sending women back decade.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Come on, she's a grown woman.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
She is.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
She's so tongue in cheek. That's what we love about her.
She just has this really funny sense of humor.
Speaker 13 (07:46):
And also, I think, you know, women having freedom over
their sexuality is also not sending us back because some
women actually like it. I mean I don't, but I'm
saying some might actually like being walked.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I've heard I think that.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
I think it's a little literal, but I think it's
just more just having some fun words. She likes to
have fun with words.
Speaker 12 (08:09):
Yeah, let her after you, trolling on her hands and
knees like a dog.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
As a man, I love being walked.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
Sabrina has been getting shade a lot for being over
sexual eye like the people are just coming out her.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
We love her, and yet she had album of the Year.
She was ordered to bring the pop vocal Album of
the Year and it seems to be working for her.
It seems to be, but that's social media and that's how.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I can't believe this is her seventh album.
Speaker 13 (08:36):
Yeah, she had so she's been doing music since she
was a teenager. She's a Disney channel so that's kind
of where she started.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And she's funny. She is really.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Justin sing so much.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, I love it. We woke up to this this morning. Yeah,
and there was the picture. Yeah, Okay, I guess we'll
move on. Eminem, his longtime producer, confirming yes, Eminem did
want Mariah Carrey to play his mom in the movie
eight Mile, but she said no.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
So I call him first and I was like, I
don't do this, do.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 14 (09:18):
I'm like, I know where you're going with this, Like,
let's I'm managing this girl and it's gonna cause me
a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Man.
Speaker 14 (09:24):
He's like, no, I genuinely want her in the movie.
And I'm like, okay, cool, but get her on three way.
Put him on the phone, and the first thing out
of his mouth is I want you to play my mother.
Her insecurities kicked in.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
What was the deal? Did Mariah think she was too
young to play Eminem's mother.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
She was only three years older in real life, so
she took offense to that. But then they also had
some kind of relationship. They actually made diss songs about
each other.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Yeah, Well, Mariah Carey had Obsessed, which was about Eminem
and the video was a character a person that looked
like Eminem.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
When at the warning, I'm ubsessing them.
Speaker 12 (10:04):
Oh gee, that's supposed to be meeting the beat yo
with the goat.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
See swam Oriah didn't expect it. A go balls out,
but let's go.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Phone calls out.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
All right, Like I said, you gotta have an edge.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And Riah is going to be at our Heart Radio
Music Festival.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yes she is. She's back, you know what she said?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yes to the iHeart Festival September nineteenth and twentieth. By
the way, you go to Kiss Runaway dot com. You
could probably get some tickets. It's in Vegas, two shows.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
The Capitol one pre sale is going on right now
until tomorrow. The general on sale is tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And for the record, Kim Basinger ended up playing his
mother in eight Mile Beach Boys. Co founder Brian Wilson
died this week, eighty two years old. The oldest and
the last surviving Wilson brother. There were three of them,
you know, in the Beach Boys. We're talking to Beach
Boys legend last week.
Speaker 13 (10:55):
They were performing.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I mean, I don't think he was there.
Speaker 13 (10:58):
But the other guy I don't know is he's not
a Wilson brother, but he was the original guy.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Oh, yeah, he was.
Speaker 13 (11:03):
He's the singer. And then uncle Jesse John Seamos, who
was with them.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
He plays with them, the Beach Boys.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, he's been with the Beach Boys for a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
See, I know all these songs from.
Speaker 13 (11:17):
Movies and then and then they're also related to Wilson,
the Wilson Women, right, wil Wilson Phillip, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Yeah, they are, Yeah, Chinas the same family. They're connected
to the Baldwin family. That's right, Billy Baldwin.
Speaker 13 (11:34):
And also if you're a basketball player, Kevin Love his
they're his uncles.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, Mike Love the Beach Yes, Yeah, talked there.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, Wilson Phillips.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That was Hollywood family.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
They're really connected.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Somebody else is dead this morning. What was that actor
Harris Euleen.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now, if you don't know the name Harris Ewlan, he
was mel in the Scarface movie.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
He was.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I think we have a clip whoever said you was.
Speaker 10 (12:20):
Let me go fix this up.
Speaker 15 (12:22):
You know, maybe you can handle yourself one of them
first class tickets.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So long man, what direct.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
This? This is kind of tasteless to play.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Right after he died.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Rest in Peace?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Has Billy's entertainment report?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yet this to me?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Yeah, long mill, It's best to just move on.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Somebody else's this morning meantime.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Atlanta rapper Celento, Oh my god, thirty years in.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Prison for killing his cousin.
Speaker 13 (13:02):
He had one really big hit another dead personal.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah. Amy lou Wood is very alive.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
She played Chelsea in The White Lotus, the one with
the big teeth.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
She was on Kimmel last night.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Says she struggled when the show wrapped up because they
had spent so much time together.
Speaker 16 (13:20):
It was a very long time, and I think that's
why there's a real feeling of separation anxiety.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Ye, we have to leave each other.
Speaker 14 (13:28):
Yeah, it's like two summer camps in a row or
some Yeah, right, it is.
Speaker 16 (13:31):
It's intense, and there's definitely a lot of codependence I think,
is there.
Speaker 13 (13:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (13:35):
I mean I can't go a day without speaking to
Leslie constantly voice now like, yeah, it's amazing though, because
you found family. It's just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It was seven months they lived in the hotel together.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Now is it me? Or since The White Lotus and
Amy Liu Wood?
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, the teeth, there's a trend now of big toothed
women and series and movies.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You notice that big teeth.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I was watching that Secrets We Keep Serious.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
There's some one more big teeth in that, all right?
And Survivors Show that I've watched, Well.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
It's a standout. I mean, it's definitely like her signature.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I think she started a feature.
Speaker 9 (14:13):
Maybe you're just noticing it more now than.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
You did before.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
No, I think it's become a trend since the White Lotus.
Speaker 13 (14:18):
Also was the white lowest what eight episodes or nine episodes?
It took tenn months to do nine episodes.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's crazy, It is crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
The Devil Wears Product too movie, Lisa, you're very excited
about that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
They're going to start filming.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Next month, Yeah, July, and then it comes out in
May of next year, which seems like a quick turnaround.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's very quick, right, But the whole cast is back.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Emily Blunt is back, Meryl Streep is back, Stanley Tucci's back,
and Halfaway's back.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
All right, that doesn't happen often. And when is your
book club coming back? Lisa's book club?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
You've got seventeenth with doctor Nicholas Paricone. He's a dermatologist
to the stars. He will be We'll be at the
Mandarin for that. We'll be posting that soon. And that
August twenty eighth. We have Jody Pico who's sold forty
million bucks and we're doing it at Big Night Live.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Oh, that'll be good with DJ and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Huge.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Bill Belichick had a press conference at UNC yesterday. He
wanted to talk to un see football reporters wanted to
know about his girlfriend Jordan and what role she might
be playing.
Speaker 17 (15:20):
He doesn't have any role in the football program. But
again there's been you know, noise out there about a
lot of different things. Again, our focus is, you know,
day to day, getting better, stacking good days together, you know,
having good rest, recovery, you know, on training, moving forward
the next day.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Anybody in the room think Jordan won't have a role
of some sort of UNC football. She was on the
sidelines during practice.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
I think plans changed, you know, I think the outcry
of people changed their plans.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
He probably was, how do you think that's going at
the dinner table?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Probably fine.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think it's Yeah, she's okay, all her real.
Speaker 13 (15:57):
Estate she has, does she need to be on the
side ones.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Jordan, You're gonna have to stay away? Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Uh, Pacers beat the thunder last night. They've got two games.
One lead Oilers and the Panthers back on the ice tonight.
The Red Soars beat the race. They took two or
three from the race. And we're brought to you by
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can and people would do it somebody Else's to be
a nice day, right lace.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
Yeah, beautiful, get out and enjoy lots of sunshine. Breezy
thought tempts in the upper eighties.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
A lot of people were out late last night because
the weekend had the second of two shows out at
Gillette Stadium, and uh, justin apparently we've been hearing from
some of the people that were there, right.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
We gave away a lot of weekend tickets through the
talkback feature for the best Summer ever, and a bunch
were there. They will even talkbacks thanking us, and we
appreciate that. Some We're glad you had fun.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
Hi, guys, thank you so much for sending me to
the Weekend last night. It was so much fun. It
was worth it to get a babysitter, and I just
wanted to thank you guys so much because it was
a blast and kaya was okay and I got to
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hear some of my favorite weekend songs. So thank you.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's cool. You get a babysitter, you go out to
Jillette Stadium.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It was a perfect night for it.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Yea, it was the better night last night totally. It
looked incredible.
Speaker 18 (17:33):
Hey, good morning, Billy and Lisa. Happy Thursday to you.
This is Shane. I want tickets on Monday for the
weekend concert. Just wanted to let you know that it
was probably the best concert I've ever seen in my life.
I mean fire, His voice is amazing, his set list
was amazing, just a great experience.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I wanted to say thank you.
Speaker 18 (17:53):
My daughter and I really enjoyed it, and thank you
to kiss one Oi.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That was Shane.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Yeah, come back anytime.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Shane, I will say about the weekend, you could not
be a fan of his music and still enjoy his
show just from a visual aspect deduction the fireworks, the flames.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You gave me a fun fact yesterday. Did you tell
me they spend a half million dollars every night just
on Pyro?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I believe that is accurate.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a visual show, boy.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Yeah, pretty incredible, Pretty incredible. So yeah, that part of
the Best Summer Ever contest, which is running during the summer,
is over.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
But the next one is even bigger.
Speaker 13 (18:40):
It is, it's.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Even bigger if you can believe that. We're going to
announce all the details to that at eight ten this morning.
Let's just say it's it's mega.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
We have a Thursday morning ritual on the Billy and
Lisa Morning Show. We try to pay as much attention
as we can to the Karen Reid trial and the proceedings,
and then Thursday mornings we have our in house counsel,
Catherine Loft us in to break it all down.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Good morning, Catherine.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
Good morning everyone.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So the defense rested yesterday they did. The prosecution decided
not to call any rebuttals.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
What's up with that? That conference?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Are you surprised at that?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So we heard Brendan say a couple of days ago
that he was considering not recalling doctor Welcher. Rebuttals are
not actually the norm. In most cases, you get the
commost case and then usually a short defense case presented,
and then every once in a while you get a rebuttal.
You know, this different kind of Number One, I think
the jury is exhausted. You don't want to be the
(19:42):
party who's responsible for prolonging the trial. I also don't
know how much the witnesses it was going to be
doctor Welcher in rebuttal. I think he would have problems
on cross examination. You know, you have the dog DNA person.
Does it Really the question is does it benefit your
case enough to risk putting it on frustrating the jury,
And I think probably not so. Ultimately, you know, like
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we've been talking about all along, each attorney makes a
strategic decision based on what the other party does. I
think it was probably the right decision for Brennan to,
you know, cut it now, let the closing arguments happen,
and let the jury get the case.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
They're saying that closing arguments. Alan Jackson wanted, like an
hour and a half? Is that normal?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's a little long, so generally they get an hour.
He asked for yes, for an hour and a half,
and she said, you know, maybe I'll give you an
hour and fifteen. I mean, listen, it's a lengthy case
that it takes a lot of time. It certainly could
be used, you know what I mean. Ninety minutes is
you know, two months of testimony squashed down into this
(20:43):
small argument. But I think probably the MAC should give
them an hour.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
How much was it the last trial.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
I believe it was an hour both for openings the
end closings.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
So the jury won't be in the courtroom today.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Not today, so they have the day off. Today basically
is what we call the charging conference. So this is
the day where the potties decide to make arguments to
the judge about what jury instructions are actually going to
be read to the jury. So, you know, we've been
talking about the Voden defense. The third party culprit third
party culper instruction has not been requested, but the Voden
defense has. That's the substandard police investigation. They'll get that,
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you know, then all the normal ones, what is evidence, reasonable, doubt,
defend and not testifying. They go through these each one
by one to make sure that all the parties know
what are we actually going to read to the jury
after closing arguments and send the case out.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Karen Reid outside the courthouse after yesterday's defense rested, was
asked and she seemed confident that the case was better
this time than it was last time.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think they definitely put in a
strong case.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know, I think the komwealth put in a strong case,
and I think the defense put in a strong case.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
It was different than it was last time.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know, the first trial, they really presented most of
that case through cross examination of the Komwalth's witnesses. This
time they really put on much more of a substantial
case themselves, you know, the witnesses doctor La Pisada, doctor Russell,
the two ACA witnesses. So I think overall the defense
case went in very well.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Was there anything proven beyond a shadow of a doubt?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We shall trial, we shall Well, it's not beyond the
shadow of a doubt, it's beyond a reasonable Don't remember
that's not all doubt, right, it's not all doubt, but
it's it's always very very difficult to know.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
You know, this is a lengthy case.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Ultimately, in many ways it does come down to closing
arguments and who's more persuasive, who the jerry likes, which
kind of style, who can weave sort of the better story,
because that's what you're trying to do, is is remind
the jury. Hey, there's been weeks and weeks and weeks
of testimony.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
You may have forgotten. Let me remind you.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And so that's what Attorney Brennan and Attorney Jackson will
be doing.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He and there was nothing explosive in this trial.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Now, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I mean the first trial obviously we heard so much,
you know, Michael Proctor in the.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
In the house and Colin Albert and all these.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Questions, and this this trial, I think most of the
evidence was came in as it was as expected, and
you know, not as many surprises.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
The battle of the experts that it is.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And that's another reason I think for Attorney Brennan to
decide not to put on a robottle case. Everybody is
a little expert witnessed out right, because you know, civilian witnesses.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
They are a little more interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Experts you have to go through all the foundation for
their expertise. It's hours and hours and hours of all
this technical stuff that sometimes the jury isn't even really
paying that much attention to.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
So no more experts.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, the only real bombshell when you think of it,
is that the lead investigator lost his career.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
That he did I mean here for his handling of
the case.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I mean, and that didn't it came out. It's
really interesting how it came out. It didn't come out
directly through anybody who sort of peripherally through the witnesses,
Sogeant Buchannik and then his friend who testified. But yeah,
I mean, based on the stuff that came out in
trial number one, the text messages that you know resulted
from the federal investigation, Michael Procter lost his job.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
What could Karen read be thinking right now? I mean,
there's a chance she could go to.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Prison for I have to say.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Outside the courtroom yesterday, I watched that little press common
she did. She looked nervous to me. Yeah, she had
this scared look on her face.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Well, it's very it's very real. You know, it's very
real and.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
We all know following this case it's so divisive, right,
so people people are she's guilty, she's innocent one way
or the other, and you know, you hear I'm sure
she's hearing both of that.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
So obviously you know how your case feels going in.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But at the end of the day, you still charge
with second degree mart you're still charged with manslaughter, and
you have no idea what a Jerry's going to say.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
We didn't think it was going to be, you know
what it was.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Last time, and nine of them out of twelve voted guilty,
which was surprising to most people. So I think there
has to be some you know, realistic expectation that even
if you don't you know, even if she doesn't think
she's going to get convicted, it's still an option on
the table, and of course that's scary.
Speaker 12 (24:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
One thing about this second trial, there hasn't been as
much attention paid to the people outside the courthouse and
the pink shirts, and you know.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Not as much.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
It seems like as the cases has moved along, there's
some more people outside, not as much as the beginning.
It's also the weather's getting a little bit nicer and
it's a little bit easier to be outside. But I
think because of the buffer zone, we just don't see
it quite as much as you know, the trial number one,
it was literally right outside the court room like a courthouse,
like a walkway of adoration, and we don't see that
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at all.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I haven't seen one pink shirted at all.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, And I think talking to the press, nothing right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think it's because the press is largely they're across
the street at the Registry of Deeds.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
That's sort of where they're mostly camped out.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
But there, but but the you know, all the civilians
are not allowed to be in that area. So last trial,
everybody was kind of in the same place.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It was like a circus, right, So you don't have
the gauntlet this time. Justin you had a question in.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
There, Yeah, Catherine, can you break down with the sentence.
Sentencing guidelines are if she's found guilty, So.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
If she was found guilty of second degree, that's life
in prison with the possibility of parole after fifteen years.
If she's found guilty of the manslaughter as charged, which
is the manslaughter all I that's a five year what
we call a minimum mandatory. She can't be sentenced to
any less than five years, but it's also up to
twenty so it's discretionary up to the judge based on
(26:07):
the argument. But so you know, that's really independent on
what the lesser included they give. They might be they
might be less time. But if she's convicted, she's looking
to potentially.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Going to prison.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Right to prison, I think probably not.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Traditionally they would take you know, in a normal case,
they would probably take you right into custodery, you know
they I mean they can't.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
They have the right to.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Once you're convicted, you can go right into custody. They
may put it over a week or two for sentencing
an argument. You know, she's somebody who is not going
to be fleeing. She's here, She's appeared for every court age.
She's not a flight wrist. So I think the defense
could certainly make the end.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
That's always when you have the court officers standing right
behind the defendant ready to go.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
They never sent me health.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't think they were.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Giving you a break.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
They're always standing there ready to take Yet.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Now it's topic time with Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, it's all about the Cameron read trial things are
wrapping up. One quick question before we get to the
phones and the talk pack. Catherine loftus our in house lawyer.
Closing arguments are tomorrow. Can they make a difference?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yes, we can make the jury already made up his mind.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, I think I find the closing arguments that probably
the most important part of the trial, which really, I
do you know it's it's really especially trial lawyers. The
bread and butter is, you know, our job is to persuade, right,
and you have two really good attorneys here, and so
it can make a difference. It can make a different
Who can sort of weave together the pieces of testimony,
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you know, in a more persuadable way.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, let's go to Kristin and reading Christian. You have
a question for Catherine Loft.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Let's go good morning.
Speaker 19 (27:42):
I have two questions. The first is that I've heard
that if she's found not guilty that she will likely
see the town of Canton. Is that true? Can she
do that? And if she does, what is she likely
to be awarded? The second question is her attorneys have
requested two miss trials which been denied, and they appealed
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after her first her first trial. If she's found guilty,
do you I assume they'll continue to appeal to have
her conviction overturned. Do you see either of those initial
requests or mistrial being upheld by our States Supreme Court?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Okay, so I forget.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
What the first question was. I'm going to ask.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Can she sue the town of Hands?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean, she can if she wants to do. I
think it's going to be successful.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Listen, I don't practice that kind of laws, so it's
a little bit outside of my scope of expertise. But
you know, if you're found not guilty, generally you don't
You don't have that doesn't automatically give you the ability
to sue the department who brought charges against you.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Can she try?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, there'll be certain prongs that she would need
to you know that there was intentional misconduct, things like that.
I do think there's going to be a lot of
civil litigation in this case afterwards. Yeah, you know, probably
coming towards her as well, in addition to what she
already had relative to the mistrials. Yes, absolutely, those are
two things that they can appeal on. One of the
reasons why attorney a Lessie in my opinion was brought
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in as he is. Many people can see he really
creates what we call a record. He asks very specific questions,
certain kinds of ruins so that he can protect the
record that if she is convicted, they have significant avenues
of appeal. So what you want to be able to
do is have as many bases to potentially get the
conviction overturned. So those will certainly be two of them
that they'd be considering.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
All right, as an answer, let's go to Margaret in Mansfield.
Margaret question for attorney loftus.
Speaker 20 (29:35):
Ay, yes, thank you for taking my call. My question
is how much influenced do you think the mannerisms and
behavior of Hank and the judge you're going to have
on the jury and how they interpret them, Because if
the jury is a representation of the general public, I
would think that it's not coming across very well. So
(29:57):
I'm sure he is from attorney's point of view, Catherine, what.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Do you think?
Speaker 9 (30:02):
So this is the thing? One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Juries pay attention to everybody in the Courtum, they're paying
attention to the judge, the prosecutor, the defense attorneys, Karen
Reid herself, the mannerisms what they look like, how they're reacting.
All of that takes, you know, comes into account. However,
I don't think that the general public is representative of
the jury at all. Obviously we're looking at it from
the outside, and we have so much extraneous information, you know,
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looking at commentary, analyzing things like that. So the jury
is in really a unique position. But they certainly take
into account. We hear all the time about jury's who
didn't like an attorney for one side, and I basically
hold it against a client. It happens regularly, so it's
as sort of this fine balance that you have to
play as a trial attorney, being aggressive, you know, asking
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certain kinds of questions, pushing witnesses, but not doing so
significantly that you make the jury not like you.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
So I mean, it's definitely something they take into consideration.
Speaker 15 (30:58):
Justin talking back Quart, I'm looking forward to listening to
Catherine Loftus again today. Could you please ask her if
the jury gets the case on Friday, do they deliberate
over the weekend, And if they do and they come
to a decision, will we find out over the weekend
or do we have to wait until Monday. I'm really
excited to see how this whole thing plays out.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So we do not hold court over the weekend. So
in some states they do that, so if the case
goes to the jury, they'll just keep deliberating. We don't
do that here, so they'll get it on Friday morning.
So basically, if the closing, let's argue that they're in
our each that'll stop Friday morning and then they'll probably take,
you know, the reading of the jury instructions, taste a
little bit. They'll get it late Friday morning, early Friday afternoon, deliberate,
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and then if they don't come to a decision Friday,
they'll they'll come back on Monday. So they'll have the
weekend to kind of go home and sit with themselves
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
If the verdict is not guilty, will there be a
celebratory party at one of the local pubs.
Speaker 9 (31:53):
I'm sure they will be.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
I have a follow up question. Can the jury take
home all of their notebooks the week?
Speaker 17 (31:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So they leave leave everything? Everything stays, Yes, everything stays.
They can't take anything home.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
OK, justin talk back.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Well, now, in your opinion, Catherine, do you think they're
going to have the case for a long time days hours.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
What do you think, I.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
Would think a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know, generally if I find the juries, unless they
all know, you know, sometimes what happens is they come
back like quick, you know, fifteen twenty minutes if it's
clear as day to everyone. But you know, this is
a lengthy case. Usually what they do is they take
the time, they sift through the evidence.
Speaker 9 (32:26):
You know, they kind of go back and forth.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And I always think about, you know, you you do
want a jury to have to present from both sides.
The com walls in the defense like they've put a
lot of time and effort. They want them to look
at the evidence. They want them to make sure that
they really, you know, have come to a thorough decision.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
If they come back really quick, does that judge have
to accept that or yes?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Can I judge say, well, you know, I really recommend
you go back.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
In No, no, they I mean they could come back
in ten minutes and the judge has to take the verdict.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Isn't usually bad if they come back quicker like a
guilty I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Well, it's hot. It's hard to know, yes, yes and no.
But I mean if they come back quick. It's one
of those things that you know, they they they haven't
been thinking about it for a while that they've known,
you know, what the decision was going to be.
Speaker 15 (33:13):
So this may be a silly question, but for closing arguments.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Is it better to go first or go last?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
No silly questions, but I think it's always better to
go last, because you know, the person who has the
control about what the you know, the jury hears last.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And how is that decided?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's always the defense goes for us and the com
wealth goes last.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, okay, yes, so I didn't know that always the last.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Good morning.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
So how are the X rays a not smoking gun
but pretty damning piece of evidence against the state?
Speaker 12 (33:47):
Man?
Speaker 10 (33:47):
I'm I'm just not sure how that isn't you know,
considered something damning when they ignored it and you know
there's no broken blue ones or anything like that.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
You know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So the first time we heard about x rays was
this week, I think, or maybe the very end of
last week. And in the first round we didn't hear
about it at all, not from the Komalth which makes
sense that if there's no you know, broken bones, and
why is the comonwealthy going to put that in but
it's surprising that the defense didn't put that in because
that's a very strong piece of evidence, you know, that
supports their case. So you know, ultimately it goes to again,
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you know, if Jerry says there's no broken bones, therefore
there's you know, nochi accident, another jury might say, okay,
well how do we explain all the rest of the
stuff on the scene that you know, microscopic pieces and
his tail ae. So it goes to each piece of
evidence is weighed individually, and then the jurors as a
whole come together. You know, some of them think one
piece is more important some pieces and others are more important,
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and that's what they do.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
They kind of go back and forth.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
And it comes back to the closing argument that's right,
and weave it together the best, that's right.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
I was just wondering what you think are the most
persuasive pieces of evidence for both the commonwealth and the defense.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think for the Commwalts perspective, I think the physical
evidence that the scene.
Speaker 9 (34:58):
I think the tail eye.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Pieces and you know, in his arm, the shoe, you know,
because I think that you have to basically to disbelieve those,
you have to believe they're planted, essentially, And the strongest
argument for the defense is the police investigation, right that
there was a conflict of interest right off the front.
You have a stay police trooper who's disparaging Karen Reid.
(35:20):
The Comwalt didn't even call him. You know, they were
sort of you know, sloppy in the morning, these red
solo cops. You know, even if they you make the
argument that they would doing the best they can, it's
still substandard. And so therefore, how can you possibly find
her guilty because you have enough problems with the police investigation?
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Oh this is so good.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Let's go to Lisa in Milton.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Lisa, question for Tony Loftus, Right, yeah, super.
Speaker 19 (35:45):
Do you think that they'll publicly pull the jurors this time?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I if, well, I suppose if it's if it's another Hungary,
I don't know that they will.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
I mean, it's always been my position.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
The first trial they didn't do that because so if
to pole a jury, generally one of the parties has
to ask for it. The judge doesn't usually do it
on their own, and so either the or the defense
would have to ask to pull the jury, and I
think the defense didn't do it the first time, because
they didn't want that information out there, you know, without
being able to control it if it was.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Sort of bad for them. So I don't know. I
don't know that they will. I don't know that they
actually want I want to know right right then and there, you.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Know what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Lisa from Milton just called in now. When she's roaming
around town hitting the bar scene. The people say, oh,
you Lisa Donovant.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
There actually is another.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
There's another Lisa Donovan that lives in Milton. She's a
real estate agent.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Oh my god, so there were three of you, Hila.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Hi, are you going all right?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Thank you, Catherine Loftus.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
We look forward to the closing arguments and we'll definitely
have you back next Thursday, Wednesday, next.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, note my objection.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (37:01):
Thank you,
Now this morning show in Boston, Billy and Lisa in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's just a great start to my day on Kids
run Away.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, and what do
you know, it's going to be a nice day today, Liz.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, get out and enjoy.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah. The weekend not so much.
Speaker 5 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Now it's gonna be cold this weekend.
Speaker 6 (00:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Thirteen straight, thirteen straight, and don't forget tomorrow's Friday, the thirteenth.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
Oh yeah, and you're off, lucky, Bill more unlucky. Who
knows what could happen.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I'll be on the island of Nantucket.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, you will for the Nantucket Book Festival.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
As an author.
Speaker 7 (00:41):
Yes, and you think they've heard all of that, and
I'm not going to play them now. But all the
things you've said about Nantucket over the years.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I know you hate Nantucket.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, there was a long period of my life where
I was a huge fan of Nantucket. So I'm reliving
the good times on Nantucket. And yeah, the book festival
is happening. We've actually got Tim talks books.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We do. He is amazing.
Speaker 8 (01:07):
I actually follow him on Instagram and he's really good
friends with Ellen Hildebrand. They have a podcast together. Yeah,
so he's checking in because he's in charge of the
whole thing.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
He runs the Nantucket Book Festival, and he's calling into
the show at nine ten this morning. Speaking of the
book festival, You've got a lot going on with the
book club, Lisa, I dot a big events coming.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Up we do. We have.
Speaker 8 (01:30):
I just confirmed an event with Jody Pico for August
twenty eighth. It's going to be a huge event. It's
going to be a big night live like we did
with mel Robins. Oh yeah, so mark that down in
your calendars, folks, because Jodie's coming to town. She's actually
from Hannover, New Hampshire. She's sold over forty million books.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Whoa forty million?
Speaker 9 (01:53):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, I think we may have sold forty.
Speaker 10 (02:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
By the way, Mine and Jenny's book is called The
Taste of Boston and it's a beautiful book and it's
featured in the festival this weekend on Nantucket.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So who's doing the Q and A? Is it Tim
or is it?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's going to be Jenny's husband. Rob is an author
and he did my book club, yeah, and longtime creator
of Nantucket Magazine and magazine, So it'll be a fun
interview with Rob. But while we're there, we're also shooting
a Don't Forget Dining Playbook is a half hour program
on Netson. We're shooting a one hour special called a
(02:35):
Taste of Nantucket Awesome. So we're going to be working
around the clock.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Are you doing ice cream shops?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I don't know if we're going to make it in
the Pearl.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I don't think I'm allowed within a block of the
ice cream shop that.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I make fun of all.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
What's the name of that place?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It's like a juice bar slash ice cream place where
people wait in line for hours to get an ice
cream cone. Yeah, so you know what, Yeah, I could
get a lot of clap back on Nantucket.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But they've got some wonderful restaurants and will feature those
and some of the properties that are up for grabs
on the island.
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Is the Pearl.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
One of the restaurants, Uh, yeah, the Pearl is don't
do this just we said we weren't going to.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
I want, I want, you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Know I one of the restaurants.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
One of the feature restaurants will be doing on the
show is Proprietors and you might remember American seasons, at
least they used to own on Nantucket American seasons. They
also have black eyed Susans. Uh so, a lot of
really really talented chefs. What's the one on the beach
that you sent me to when I went to Nantucket? Oh,
cliff Side maybe, yeah, Galley, the galley at cliff Side, Yeah, yeah, beautiful, Yeah,
(03:47):
the Galley's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Table in the sand anyone?
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Actually, we had a table in the sand.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Of course you did, because I used my clout.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Yeah, well, is Linda going to be there?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, Linda lives there. You mean Linda Bill Belichick's x
Yeah Linda.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yes's Lisa. Ye be quick.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I have a four pm ferry of Nantucket and I'm
already wait.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
As all hell.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I had a snafoo with a pet resort, I said, Brianna,
let me stop you right there, Okay, stop you right there.
I've been coming here for thirty years, and I uploaded
the paperwork into the portal myself. I have a six
o'clock reservation at Delly Beach and I'll die finally, all right.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
That's the fact that we have the perfect No, that's crazy,
so crazy. Yeah, it's all about Nantucket.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I kind of want to go now.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, flying there right after the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And beautiful Nantucket.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Oh, the island, the Gray Lady. A half hour flight.
How long is a flight? I'll be the gray Man
on the Gray Lady. I love that. How Oh it's
like thirty minutes. Oh God, I have that.
Speaker 11 (05:04):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Oh yeah, Dona Door. We're gonna have some fun.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I made a lot of great authors, a lot of
great chefs.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
We're gonna do at I was doing the book club,
the Nantuca bookcastal Lisa Genova.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I saw her really too.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
And Ellen Hildebrand will probably be there right because she
does a podcast with Jim Talking calling in Books, Beach
and Beyond.
Speaker 9 (05:27):
From the Planet Fitness, Kiss One Away Studios.
Speaker 8 (05:30):
We're back with a Billy and Lisa in the Hornet
on Kiss.
Speaker 9 (05:34):
Now the Entertainment Updates with a Billy Copstad.
Speaker 12 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
We're going right in the weekend to have the second
two shows out at your Lyte Stadium. Last night, we
sent a lot of people to the show. They sent
us talkbacks and we gave them tickets and Amber one
tickets on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show and sent
us a talkback from the show last night.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Hi about the weekend right now?
Speaker 10 (05:58):
Thank you so much?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Kiss wait, I love you guys.
Speaker 7 (06:01):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 13 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What a beautiful night for a show.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh yeah, And that's how it works. The best summer ever.
And it continues this morning. If you thought the weekend
show was a big deal, wait till you hear what
we have coming up. And will announce all the details
of the new contest coming up at a ten this morning.
And we now have a release date for the new
Sabrina Carpenter album. We're playing the first single, Manchild. So
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the album comes out August twenty ninth. It's called Man's
Best Friend and the cover art has Sabrina on all
fours being well, for lack of a better phrase, walked
like a dog with a guy pulling her hair. And
the cover art is sparking some controversy. In the photo,
(06:58):
she's like, I said, yeah, she's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
On off course. Yeah, she looks great.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I have to say, it's beautiful, fabulous.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
And then there's like a little furry friend with a
dog collar, and on the dog collar it has Man's
best Friend on the little tag.
Speaker 12 (07:14):
Come on, Sabrina, let her come after you, crawling on
her hands and knees like a dog.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Well, that's all.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I can think about last night. I couldn't wait to
get in this morning.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Play that well.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
A lot of the comments are angry at Sabrina on
social of course they.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Are totally she's sending women back decade.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Come on, she's a grown woman.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
She is.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
She's so tongue in cheek. That's what we love about her.
She just has this really funny sense of humor.
Speaker 13 (07:46):
And also, I think, you know, women having freedom over
their sexuality is also not sending us back because some
women actually like it. I mean I don't, but I'm
saying some might actually like being walked.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I've heard I think that.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
I think it's a little literal, but I think it's
just more just having some fun words. She likes to
have fun with words.
Speaker 12 (08:09):
Yeah, let her after you, trolling on her hands and
knees like a dog.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
As a man, I love being walked.
Speaker 8 (08:18):
Sabrina has been getting shade a lot for being over
sexual eye like the people are just coming out her.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
We love her, and yet she had album of the Year.
She was ordered to bring the pop vocal Album of
the Year and it seems to be working for her.
It seems to be, but that's social media and that's how.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I can't believe this is her seventh album.
Speaker 13 (08:36):
Yeah, she had so she's been doing music since she
was a teenager. She's a Disney channel so that's kind
of where she started.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And she's funny. She is really.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Justin sing so much.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, I love it. We woke up to this this morning. Yeah,
and there was the picture. Yeah, Okay, I guess we'll
move on. Eminem, his longtime producer, confirming yes, Eminem did
want Mariah Carrey to play his mom in the movie
eight Mile, but she said no.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
So I call him first and I was like, I
don't do this, do.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 14 (09:18):
I'm like, I know where you're going with this, Like,
let's I'm managing this girl and it's gonna cause me
a problem.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Man.
Speaker 14 (09:24):
He's like, no, I genuinely want her in the movie.
And I'm like, okay, cool, but get her on three way.
Put him on the phone, and the first thing out
of his mouth is I want you to play my mother.
Her insecurities kicked in.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
What was the deal? Did Mariah think she was too
young to play Eminem's mother.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
She was only three years older in real life, so
she took offense to that. But then they also had
some kind of relationship. They actually made diss songs about
each other.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Oh that's right.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
Yeah, Well, Mariah Carey had Obsessed, which was about Eminem
and the video was a character a person that looked
like Eminem.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
When at the warning, I'm ubsessing them.
Speaker 12 (10:04):
Oh gee, that's supposed to be meeting the beat yo
with the goat.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
See swam Oriah didn't expect it. A go balls out,
but let's go.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Phone calls out.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
All right, Like I said, you gotta have an edge.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And Riah is going to be at our Heart Radio
Music Festival.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yes she is. She's back, you know what she said?
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yes to the iHeart Festival September nineteenth and twentieth. By
the way, you go to Kiss Runaway dot com. You
could probably get some tickets. It's in Vegas, two shows.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
The Capitol one pre sale is going on right now
until tomorrow. The general on sale is tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And for the record, Kim Basinger ended up playing his
mother in eight Mile Beach Boys. Co founder Brian Wilson
died this week, eighty two years old. The oldest and
the last surviving Wilson brother. There were three of them,
you know, in the Beach Boys. We're talking to Beach
Boys legend last week.
Speaker 13 (10:55):
They were performing.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I mean, I don't think he was there.
Speaker 13 (10:58):
But the other guy I don't know is he's not
a Wilson brother, but he was the original guy.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Oh, yeah, he was.
Speaker 13 (11:03):
He's the singer. And then uncle Jesse John Seamos, who
was with them.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
He plays with them, the Beach Boys.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, he's been with the Beach Boys for a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
See, I know all these songs from.
Speaker 13 (11:17):
Movies and then and then they're also related to Wilson,
the Wilson Women, right, wil Wilson Phillip, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Yeah, they are, Yeah, Chinas the same family. They're connected
to the Baldwin family. That's right, Billy Baldwin.
Speaker 13 (11:34):
And also if you're a basketball player, Kevin Love his
they're his uncles.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, Mike Love the Beach Yes, Yeah, talked there.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, Wilson Phillips.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
That was Hollywood family.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
They're really connected.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Somebody else is dead this morning. What was that actor
Harris Euleen.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now, if you don't know the name Harris Ewlan, he
was mel in the Scarface movie.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
He was.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I think we have a clip whoever said you was.
Speaker 10 (12:20):
Let me go fix this up.
Speaker 15 (12:22):
You know, maybe you can handle yourself one of them
first class tickets.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
So long man, what direct.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
This? This is kind of tasteless to play.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Right after he died.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Rest in Peace?
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Has Billy's entertainment report?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yet this to me?
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Yeah, long mill, It's best to just move on.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Somebody else's this morning meantime.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Atlanta rapper Celento, Oh my god, thirty years in.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Prison for killing his cousin.
Speaker 13 (13:02):
He had one really big hit another dead personal.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah. Amy lou Wood is very alive.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
She played Chelsea in The White Lotus, the one with
the big teeth.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
She was on Kimmel last night.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Says she struggled when the show wrapped up because they
had spent so much time together.
Speaker 16 (13:20):
It was a very long time, and I think that's
why there's a real feeling of separation anxiety.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Ye, we have to leave each other.
Speaker 14 (13:28):
Yeah, it's like two summer camps in a row or
some Yeah, right, it is.
Speaker 16 (13:31):
It's intense, and there's definitely a lot of codependence I think,
is there.
Speaker 13 (13:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (13:35):
I mean I can't go a day without speaking to
Leslie constantly voice now like, yeah, it's amazing though, because
you found family. It's just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It was seven months they lived in the hotel together.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Now is it me? Or since The White Lotus and
Amy Liu Wood?
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, the teeth, there's a trend now of big toothed
women and series and movies.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
You notice that big teeth.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I was watching that Secrets We Keep Serious.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
There's some one more big teeth in that, all right?
And Survivors Show that I've watched, Well.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
It's a standout. I mean, it's definitely like her signature.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
I think she started a feature.
Speaker 9 (14:13):
Maybe you're just noticing it more now than.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
You did before.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
No, I think it's become a trend since the White Lotus.
Speaker 13 (14:18):
Also was the white lowest what eight episodes or nine episodes?
It took tenn months to do nine episodes.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's crazy, It is crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
The Devil Wears Product too movie, Lisa, you're very excited
about that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
They're going to start filming.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Next month, Yeah, July, and then it comes out in
May of next year, which seems like a quick turnaround.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's very quick, right, But the whole cast is back.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
Emily Blunt is back, Meryl Streep is back, Stanley Tucci's back,
and Halfaway's back.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
All right, that doesn't happen often. And when is your
book club coming back? Lisa's book club?
Speaker 8 (14:51):
You've got seventeenth with doctor Nicholas Paricone. He's a dermatologist
to the stars. He will be We'll be at the
Mandarin for that. We'll be posting that soon. And that
August twenty eighth. We have Jody Pico who's sold forty
million bucks and we're doing it at Big Night Live.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Oh, that'll be good with DJ and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Huge.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Bill Belichick had a press conference at UNC yesterday. He
wanted to talk to un see football reporters wanted to
know about his girlfriend Jordan and what role she might
be playing.
Speaker 17 (15:20):
He doesn't have any role in the football program. But
again there's been you know, noise out there about a
lot of different things. Again, our focus is, you know,
day to day, getting better, stacking good days together, you know,
having good rest, recovery, you know, on training, moving forward
the next day.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Anybody in the room think Jordan won't have a role
of some sort of UNC football. She was on the
sidelines during practice.
Speaker 7 (15:44):
I think plans changed, you know, I think the outcry
of people changed their plans.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
He probably was, how do you think that's going at
the dinner table?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Probably fine.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think it's Yeah, she's okay, all her real.
Speaker 13 (15:57):
Estate she has, does she need to be on the
side ones.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Jordan, You're gonna have to stay away? Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Uh, Pacers beat the thunder last night. They've got two games.
One lead Oilers and the Panthers back on the ice tonight.
The Red Soars beat the race. They took two or
three from the race. And we're brought to you by
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can and people would do it somebody Else's to be
a nice day, right lace.
Speaker 8 (16:35):
Yeah, beautiful, get out and enjoy lots of sunshine. Breezy
thought tempts in the upper eighties.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
A lot of people were out late last night because
the weekend had the second of two shows out at
Gillette Stadium, and uh, justin apparently we've been hearing from
some of the people that were there, right.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
We gave away a lot of weekend tickets through the
talkback feature for the best Summer ever, and a bunch
were there. They will even talkbacks thanking us, and we
appreciate that. Some We're glad you had fun.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
Hi, guys, thank you so much for sending me to
the Weekend last night. It was so much fun. It
was worth it to get a babysitter, and I just
wanted to thank you guys so much because it was
a blast and kaya was okay and I got to
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hear some of my favorite weekend songs. So thank you.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
That's cool. You get a babysitter, you go out to
Jillette Stadium.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It was a perfect night for it.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Yea, it was the better night last night totally. It
looked incredible.
Speaker 18 (17:33):
Hey, good morning, Billy and Lisa. Happy Thursday to you.
This is Shane. I want tickets on Monday for the
weekend concert. Just wanted to let you know that it
was probably the best concert I've ever seen in my life.
I mean fire, His voice is amazing, his set list
was amazing, just a great experience.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I wanted to say thank you.
Speaker 18 (17:53):
My daughter and I really enjoyed it, and thank you
to kiss one Oi.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
That was Shane.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
Yeah, come back anytime.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
Shane, I will say about the weekend, you could not
be a fan of his music and still enjoy his
show just from a visual aspect deduction the fireworks, the flames.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You gave me a fun fact yesterday. Did you tell
me they spend a half million dollars every night just
on Pyro?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I believe that is accurate.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a visual show, boy.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Yeah, pretty incredible, Pretty incredible. So yeah, that part of
the Best Summer Ever contest, which is running during the summer,
is over.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
But the next one is even bigger.
Speaker 13 (18:40):
It is, it's.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Even bigger if you can believe that. We're going to
announce all the details to that at eight ten this morning.
Let's just say it's it's mega.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
We have a Thursday morning ritual on the Billy and
Lisa Morning Show. We try to pay as much attention
as we can to the Karen Reid trial and the proceedings,
and then Thursday mornings we have our in house counsel,
Catherine Loft us in to break it all down.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Good morning, Catherine.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
Good morning everyone.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
So the defense rested yesterday they did. The prosecution decided
not to call any rebuttals.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
What's up with that? That conference?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Are you surprised at that?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So we heard Brendan say a couple of days ago
that he was considering not recalling doctor Welcher. Rebuttals are
not actually the norm. In most cases, you get the
commost case and then usually a short defense case presented,
and then every once in a while you get a rebuttal.
You know, this different kind of Number One, I think
the jury is exhausted. You don't want to be the
(19:42):
party who's responsible for prolonging the trial. I also don't
know how much the witnesses it was going to be
doctor Welcher in rebuttal. I think he would have problems
on cross examination. You know, you have the dog DNA person.
Does it Really the question is does it benefit your
case enough to risk putting it on frustrating the jury,
And I think probably not so. Ultimately, you know, like
(20:04):
we've been talking about all along, each attorney makes a
strategic decision based on what the other party does. I
think it was probably the right decision for Brennan to,
you know, cut it now, let the closing arguments happen,
and let the jury get the case.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
They're saying that closing arguments. Alan Jackson wanted, like an
hour and a half? Is that normal?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's a little long, so generally they get an hour.
He asked for yes, for an hour and a half,
and she said, you know, maybe I'll give you an
hour and fifteen. I mean, listen, it's a lengthy case
that it takes a lot of time. It certainly could
be used, you know what I mean. Ninety minutes is
you know, two months of testimony squashed down into this
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small argument. But I think probably the MAC should give
them an hour.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
How much was it the last trial.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
I believe it was an hour both for openings the
end closings.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
So the jury won't be in the courtroom today.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Not today, so they have the day off. Today basically
is what we call the charging conference. So this is
the day where the potties decide to make arguments to
the judge about what jury instructions are actually going to
be read to the jury. So, you know, we've been
talking about the Voden defense. The third party culprit third
party culper instruction has not been requested, but the Voden
defense has. That's the substandard police investigation. They'll get that,
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you know, then all the normal ones, what is evidence, reasonable, doubt,
defend and not testifying. They go through these each one
by one to make sure that all the parties know
what are we actually going to read to the jury
after closing arguments and send the case out.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Karen Reid outside the courthouse after yesterday's defense rested, was
asked and she seemed confident that the case was better
this time than it was last time.
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean, I think they definitely put in a
strong case.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know, I think the komwealth put in a strong case,
and I think the defense put in a strong case.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
It was different than it was last time.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You know, the first trial, they really presented most of
that case through cross examination of the Komwalth's witnesses. This
time they really put on much more of a substantial
case themselves, you know, the witnesses doctor La Pisada, doctor Russell,
the two ACA witnesses. So I think overall the defense
case went in very well.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Was there anything proven beyond a shadow of a doubt?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
We shall trial, we shall Well, it's not beyond the
shadow of a doubt, it's beyond a reasonable Don't remember
that's not all doubt, right, it's not all doubt, but
it's it's always very very difficult to know.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
You know, this is a lengthy case.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Ultimately, in many ways it does come down to closing
arguments and who's more persuasive, who the jerry likes, which
kind of style, who can weave sort of the better story,
because that's what you're trying to do, is is remind
the jury. Hey, there's been weeks and weeks and weeks
of testimony.
Speaker 9 (22:36):
You may have forgotten. Let me remind you.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And so that's what Attorney Brennan and Attorney Jackson will
be doing.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He and there was nothing explosive in this trial.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Now, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I mean the first trial obviously we heard so much,
you know, Michael Proctor in the.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
In the house and Colin Albert and all these.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Questions, and this this trial, I think most of the
evidence was came in as it was as expected, and
you know, not as many surprises.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
The battle of the experts that it is.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And that's another reason I think for Attorney Brennan to
decide not to put on a robottle case. Everybody is
a little expert witnessed out right, because you know, civilian witnesses.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
They are a little more interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Experts you have to go through all the foundation for
their expertise. It's hours and hours and hours of all
this technical stuff that sometimes the jury isn't even really
paying that much attention to.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
So no more experts.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well, the only real bombshell when you think of it,
is that the lead investigator lost his career.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
That he did I mean here for his handling of
the case.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I mean, and that didn't it came out. It's
really interesting how it came out. It didn't come out
directly through anybody who sort of peripherally through the witnesses,
Sogeant Buchannik and then his friend who testified. But yeah,
I mean, based on the stuff that came out in
trial number one, the text messages that you know resulted
from the federal investigation, Michael Procter lost his job.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
What could Karen read be thinking right now? I mean,
there's a chance she could go to.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Prison for I have to say.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Outside the courtroom yesterday, I watched that little press common
she did. She looked nervous to me. Yeah, she had
this scared look on her face.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Well, it's very it's very real. You know, it's very
real and.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
We all know following this case it's so divisive, right,
so people people are she's guilty, she's innocent one way
or the other, and you know, you hear I'm sure
she's hearing both of that.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
So obviously you know how your case feels going in.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But at the end of the day, you still charge
with second degree mart you're still charged with manslaughter, and
you have no idea what a Jerry's going to say.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
We didn't think it was going to be, you know
what it was.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Last time, and nine of them out of twelve voted guilty,
which was surprising to most people. So I think there
has to be some you know, realistic expectation that even
if you don't you know, even if she doesn't think
she's going to get convicted, it's still an option on
the table, and of course that's scary.
Speaker 12 (24:46):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
One thing about this second trial, there hasn't been as
much attention paid to the people outside the courthouse and
the pink shirts, and you know.
Speaker 9 (24:54):
Not as much.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
It seems like as the cases has moved along, there's
some more people outside, not as much as the beginning.
It's also the weather's getting a little bit nicer and
it's a little bit easier to be outside. But I
think because of the buffer zone, we just don't see
it quite as much as you know, the trial number one,
it was literally right outside the court room like a courthouse,
like a walkway of adoration, and we don't see that
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at all.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I haven't seen one pink shirted at all.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
No, And I think talking to the press, nothing right.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think it's because the press is largely they're across
the street at the Registry of Deeds.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
That's sort of where they're mostly camped out.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
But there, but but the you know, all the civilians
are not allowed to be in that area. So last trial,
everybody was kind of in the same place.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It was like a circus, right, So you don't have
the gauntlet this time. Justin you had a question in.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
There, Yeah, Catherine, can you break down with the sentence.
Sentencing guidelines are if she's found guilty, So.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
If she was found guilty of second degree, that's life
in prison with the possibility of parole after fifteen years.
If she's found guilty of the manslaughter as charged, which
is the manslaughter all I that's a five year what
we call a minimum mandatory. She can't be sentenced to
any less than five years, but it's also up to
twenty so it's discretionary up to the judge based on
(26:07):
the argument. But so you know, that's really independent on
what the lesser included they give. They might be they
might be less time. But if she's convicted, she's looking
to potentially.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Going to prison.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Right to prison, I think probably not.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Traditionally they would take you know, in a normal case,
they would probably take you right into custodery, you know
they I mean they can't.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
They have the right to.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Once you're convicted, you can go right into custody. They
may put it over a week or two for sentencing
an argument. You know, she's somebody who is not going
to be fleeing. She's here, She's appeared for every court age.
She's not a flight wrist. So I think the defense
could certainly make the end.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
That's always when you have the court officers standing right
behind the defendant ready to go.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
They never sent me health.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I don't think they were.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Giving you a break.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
They're always standing there ready to take Yet.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
Now it's topic time with Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, it's all about the Cameron read trial things are
wrapping up. One quick question before we get to the
phones and the talk pack. Catherine loftus our in house lawyer.
Closing arguments are tomorrow. Can they make a difference?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yes, we can make the jury already made up his mind.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, I think I find the closing arguments that probably
the most important part of the trial, which really, I
do you know it's it's really especially trial lawyers. The
bread and butter is, you know, our job is to persuade, right,
and you have two really good attorneys here, and so
it can make a difference. It can make a different
Who can sort of weave together the pieces of testimony,
(27:34):
you know, in a more persuadable way.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, let's go to Kristin and reading Christian. You have
a question for Catherine Loft.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Let's go good morning.
Speaker 19 (27:42):
I have two questions. The first is that I've heard
that if she's found not guilty that she will likely
see the town of Canton. Is that true? Can she
do that? And if she does, what is she likely
to be awarded? The second question is her attorneys have
requested two miss trials which been denied, and they appealed
(28:02):
after her first her first trial. If she's found guilty,
do you I assume they'll continue to appeal to have
her conviction overturned. Do you see either of those initial
requests or mistrial being upheld by our States Supreme Court?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Okay, so I forget.
Speaker 9 (28:22):
What the first question was. I'm going to ask.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Can she sue the town of Hands?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean, she can if she wants to do. I
think it's going to be successful.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Listen, I don't practice that kind of laws, so it's
a little bit outside of my scope of expertise. But
you know, if you're found not guilty, generally you don't
You don't have that doesn't automatically give you the ability
to sue the department who brought charges against you.
Speaker 9 (28:45):
Can she try?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, there'll be certain prongs that she would need
to you know that there was intentional misconduct, things like that.
I do think there's going to be a lot of
civil litigation in this case afterwards. Yeah, you know, probably
coming towards her as well, in addition to what she
already had relative to the mistrials. Yes, absolutely, those are
two things that they can appeal on. One of the
reasons why attorney a Lessie in my opinion was brought
(29:08):
in as he is. Many people can see he really
creates what we call a record. He asks very specific questions,
certain kinds of ruins so that he can protect the
record that if she is convicted, they have significant avenues
of appeal. So what you want to be able to
do is have as many bases to potentially get the
conviction overturned. So those will certainly be two of them
that they'd be considering.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
All right, as an answer, let's go to Margaret in Mansfield.
Margaret question for attorney loftus.
Speaker 20 (29:35):
Ay, yes, thank you for taking my call. My question
is how much influenced do you think the mannerisms and
behavior of Hank and the judge you're going to have
on the jury and how they interpret them, Because if
the jury is a representation of the general public, I
would think that it's not coming across very well. So
(29:57):
I'm sure he is from attorney's point of view, Catherine, what.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Do you think?
Speaker 9 (30:02):
So this is the thing? One hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Juries pay attention to everybody in the Courtum, they're paying
attention to the judge, the prosecutor, the defense attorneys, Karen
Reid herself, the mannerisms what they look like, how they're reacting.
All of that takes, you know, comes into account. However,
I don't think that the general public is representative of
the jury at all. Obviously we're looking at it from
the outside, and we have so much extraneous information, you know,
(30:26):
looking at commentary, analyzing things like that. So the jury
is in really a unique position. But they certainly take
into account. We hear all the time about jury's who
didn't like an attorney for one side, and I basically
hold it against a client. It happens regularly, so it's
as sort of this fine balance that you have to
play as a trial attorney, being aggressive, you know, asking
(30:48):
certain kinds of questions, pushing witnesses, but not doing so
significantly that you make the jury not like you.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
So I mean, it's definitely something they take into consideration.
Speaker 15 (30:58):
Justin talking back Quart, I'm looking forward to listening to
Catherine Loftus again today. Could you please ask her if
the jury gets the case on Friday, do they deliberate
over the weekend, And if they do and they come
to a decision, will we find out over the weekend
or do we have to wait until Monday. I'm really
excited to see how this whole thing plays out.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So we do not hold court over the weekend. So
in some states they do that, so if the case
goes to the jury, they'll just keep deliberating. We don't
do that here, so they'll get it on Friday morning.
So basically, if the closing, let's argue that they're in
our each that'll stop Friday morning and then they'll probably take,
you know, the reading of the jury instructions, taste a
little bit. They'll get it late Friday morning, early Friday afternoon, deliberate,
(31:42):
and then if they don't come to a decision Friday,
they'll they'll come back on Monday. So they'll have the
weekend to kind of go home and sit with themselves
about it.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
If the verdict is not guilty, will there be a
celebratory party at one of the local pubs.
Speaker 9 (31:53):
I'm sure they will be.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
I have a follow up question. Can the jury take
home all of their notebooks the week?
Speaker 17 (31:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
So they leave leave everything? Everything stays, Yes, everything stays.
They can't take anything home.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
OK, justin talk back.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Well, now, in your opinion, Catherine, do you think they're
going to have the case for a long time days hours.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
What do you think, I.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
Would think a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You know, generally if I find the juries, unless they
all know, you know, sometimes what happens is they come
back like quick, you know, fifteen twenty minutes if it's
clear as day to everyone. But you know, this is
a lengthy case. Usually what they do is they take
the time, they sift through the evidence.
Speaker 9 (32:26):
You know, they kind of go back and forth.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And I always think about, you know, you you do
want a jury to have to present from both sides.
The com walls in the defense like they've put a
lot of time and effort. They want them to look
at the evidence. They want them to make sure that
they really, you know, have come to a thorough decision.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
If they come back really quick, does that judge have
to accept that or yes?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Can I judge say, well, you know, I really recommend
you go back.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
In No, no, they I mean they could come back
in ten minutes and the judge has to take the verdict.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Isn't usually bad if they come back quicker like a
guilty I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Well, it's hot. It's hard to know, yes, yes and no.
But I mean if they come back quick. It's one
of those things that you know, they they they haven't
been thinking about it for a while that they've known,
you know, what the decision was going to be.
Speaker 15 (33:13):
So this may be a silly question, but for closing arguments.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Is it better to go first or go last?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
No silly questions, but I think it's always better to
go last, because you know, the person who has the
control about what the you know, the jury hears last.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And how is that decided?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's always the defense goes for us and the com
wealth goes last.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, okay, yes, so I didn't know that always the last.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Good morning.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
So how are the X rays a not smoking gun
but pretty damning piece of evidence against the state?
Speaker 12 (33:47):
Man?
Speaker 10 (33:47):
I'm I'm just not sure how that isn't you know,
considered something damning when they ignored it and you know
there's no broken blue ones or anything like that.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
You know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So the first time we heard about x rays was
this week, I think, or maybe the very end of
last week. And in the first round we didn't hear
about it at all, not from the Komalth which makes
sense that if there's no you know, broken bones, and
why is the comonwealthy going to put that in but
it's surprising that the defense didn't put that in because
that's a very strong piece of evidence, you know, that
supports their case. So you know, ultimately it goes to again,
(34:20):
you know, if Jerry says there's no broken bones, therefore
there's you know, nochi accident, another jury might say, okay,
well how do we explain all the rest of the
stuff on the scene that you know, microscopic pieces and
his tail ae. So it goes to each piece of
evidence is weighed individually, and then the jurors as a
whole come together. You know, some of them think one
piece is more important some pieces and others are more important,
(34:41):
and that's what they do.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
They kind of go back and forth.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
And it comes back to the closing argument that's right,
and weave it together the best, that's right.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
I was just wondering what you think are the most
persuasive pieces of evidence for both the commonwealth and the defense.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I think for the Commwalts perspective, I think the physical
evidence that the scene.
Speaker 9 (34:58):
I think the tail eye.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Pieces and you know, in his arm, the shoe, you know,
because I think that you have to basically to disbelieve those,
you have to believe they're planted, essentially, And the strongest
argument for the defense is the police investigation, right that
there was a conflict of interest right off the front.
You have a stay police trooper who's disparaging Karen Reid.
(35:20):
The Comwalt didn't even call him. You know, they were
sort of you know, sloppy in the morning, these red
solo cops. You know, even if they you make the
argument that they would doing the best they can, it's
still substandard. And so therefore, how can you possibly find
her guilty because you have enough problems with the police investigation?
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Oh this is so good.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Let's go to Lisa in Milton.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Lisa, question for Tony Loftus, Right, yeah, super.
Speaker 19 (35:45):
Do you think that they'll publicly pull the jurors this time?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I if, well, I suppose if it's if it's another Hungary,
I don't know that they will.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
I mean, it's always been my position.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
The first trial they didn't do that because so if
to pole a jury, generally one of the parties has
to ask for it. The judge doesn't usually do it
on their own, and so either the or the defense
would have to ask to pull the jury, and I
think the defense didn't do it the first time, because
they didn't want that information out there, you know, without
being able to control it if it was.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Sort of bad for them. So I don't know. I
don't know that they will. I don't know that they
actually want I want to know right right then and there, you.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Know what I want to know.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Lisa from Milton just called in now. When she's roaming
around town hitting the bar scene. The people say, oh,
you Lisa Donovant.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
There actually is another.
Speaker 8 (36:36):
There's another Lisa Donovan that lives in Milton. She's a
real estate agent.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Oh my god, so there were three of you, Hila.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Hi, are you going all right?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Thank you, Catherine Loftus.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
We look forward to the closing arguments and we'll definitely
have you back next Thursday, Wednesday, next.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, note my objection.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (37:01):
Thank you,
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