April 24, 2025 • 37 mins
The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show including Bill’s weird dream, the draw of Leominster and Katherine Loftus is back to answer our Karen Read questions. Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now first morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
It's just a great start to my day.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Okay, good morning everybody, and happy Thursday. Today is I believe,
Lisa Dunnovan. I believe it is April twenty fourth.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
You got that right, bell Boy.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
This month is sailing through, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Definitely?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
So next week is May.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
I'm happy about that because March and April not good
months around here.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
No, we get rid of the mud, we get rid
of the showers and everything else. So the weather's going
to be really nice today.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yeah, mild, mild again tomorrow. But rain on Saturday, little
rain on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
I don't want to make a big deal about it. Sorry, today,
some rain today is going to be nice. Let's go.
Speaker 7 (00:41):
Let's go this one.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Ain't my favor with you station? Let's see, my God, that.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
A child or someone who sounds like a child. I
believe it's a child.
Speaker 8 (00:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (00:55):
Let's go his one.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Ain't my favor with you station. It could be an
older teenager and doing the Tom Brady thing.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
That's kind of cool. Let's go. Okay, Oh, only two
days left to the contest for the free car from
MC govern. Okay, so at seven to ten this morning,
we'll announce another name. If you get back to us
in fifteen minutes. By the way, pay attention. If you
get back to us within fifteen minutes, you'll qualify, and
you'll instantly get tickets and you qualify for the car.
(01:27):
And tomorrow will be the final day of the contest.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
And then Saturday, all the qualifier fires will gather together
for a big event at McGovern.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And when is that happening car Saturday? Wow, that's soon?
Huh Yeah?
Speaker 10 (01:39):
And Lemonster, Oh, I love that he doesn't love Lemonster.
Ter's a great city. They have lots of stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I like Lemons.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I hear that's where the lemon was invented.
Speaker 11 (01:51):
You get it?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, you go. If you don't mind, could you indulge
me for just a couple of minutes. I want to
talk about my Oh it's dream time with Bell. What
was it this time?
Speaker 12 (02:07):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
My god? Okay, Historically, my dreams are typically violent and
very scary, very upsetting. They put me in the panic,
and I always wake up exhausted. So I'll try to
walk you through this one, because this one definitely didn't
make any sense. Somehow I was doing a club gig
sometime in the mid eighties, And after the club gig,
(02:29):
I had to go right to the radio station to
do the show, which timing wise doesn't make a whole
lot of sense. But the radio show was in the
original Kiss building over on Root sixteen, Yeah, which is
being knocked down any day now. And I walked into
the studio and there was Justin in the studio like
I'm looking at him right now through the glass. That
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was the same deal.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Did I look like I look now? Or did I
look like an eighties verse? You look like you look now?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And panic had already set in in the building, okay,
but there was no one else in the building except
for Justin until I arrived.
Speaker 11 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And the panic was because all of a sudden, the
entire music log was gone. There was no access to
any music, any entertainment on the radio show, and Justin
was jumping up and down. We didn't know what to do.
I was going on the air within the minute. I
was jumped in and had to go on the air
in a minute. Nothing was doing that thing where he
(03:23):
waves his hands in the air every morning on this show.
So somehow I got access last minute to some bunker
downstairs and they had like nothing but old music, right,
so I brought up the one song I found right
away just to get us on the air. And I
don't know why, but the song was Highway to Help. Okay, Okay,
(03:46):
now you need to understand this is the only song
we had right there, and this is this is on
Kiss Went Away.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yes, it over and over again.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
We had to play Highway.
Speaker 10 (03:54):
To Hell over and over genre but okay, I told
you this makes no sense song.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah. So then I started finding random other songs like
oh my God, like Brooks and Done, early songs like
Highway to Hell and Brooks and Done explain that you
can't right, you can't. So and then I went as
far back in the as the British Rock Invasion and
justin I found a Dave Clark five song. So now
(04:21):
let's review. We have Highway to Hell, we have Brooks
and Done and Dave Clark five from like the early
sixties the Monkeys at least the earlier than the Monkeys,
because I love you monster it.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So now enter Lisa Dunnovan into the panic. Yep, Okay, again,
we only have four or five songs to play with,
and none of the songs made sense. The kids went
to wait. Lisa walks in. She said, oh, I've got it,
I can I can get Tommy Hillfigger to stop by.
Oh my god, what.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Oh no, there's a big show in Bar Austin, and
she's listing all these random designers that can come into
the station, and we're looking for music, and she's Lisa
the fashion and ironically Lisa looked as she does right now.
But this was set in the eighties. Yes, okay, did.
Speaker 10 (05:17):
You have your eighties did you look different?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
No, that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
We were all current, but back in the.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Eighties our content was anything but current. You should have
started singing.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
One way or I'm gonna find you, I'm gonna get you,
get get.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Get you one way. Oh my god, it was. It
was terrifying. I woke up, woke up. But who were
some of the other designers you were listening and none
of them were current. It wasn't like she was saying,
oh I can get Veronica Bear, like Rag and Bone.
(05:59):
It's like von Furstenberg and Tommy Hillfinger.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Okay, so Bill's dreams we've talked about extensively on this show.
So I've officially reached out to. A certified dream analyst
also join our show and break down Billy's dreams.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah, your dreams sound exhausting.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
They have dogged me my entire life since I was
like five six years old. Most of them. I'm always
being chased, chased by people with weapons trying to kill me,
and I never know why. I'm just running. I'm always
Maybe that's why I ended up doing marathons. Maybe I
was always running for my life in the dreams. Well,
(06:39):
we'll break it all down.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
This woman that I reached out to, she's been on
the view Good Morning America CNN.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Finally, yeah, today's show.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
But you did say that sometimes like you have nice
dreams too.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Okay, you want to go there, so whenever, Lisa Dunno,
it is in my dreams. It's a nice dream because
we're traveling and shopping in Paris, were walking the beach
in Nice, France.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
Are you sure you're straight?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Actually no, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
From the planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios. We're back
with the Villy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss
on eight Now the Entertainment Update with a Villy constas.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Okay, we have to leave with the Celtics this morning.
They beat the Magic again last night one O nine,
one hundred. They take a two game ZIP lead into
Orlando tomorrow night. Seltz did it without Jason Tatum nursing
the bruised at wristbone, and Porzingis had to leave the
game in the third quarter with a bloody gash on
his forehead. Here's the call.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I don't think I've ever seen that before.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
Blood on the head, all over the face, come in,
shoot the free throw and obviously we'll check out now
and get cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's as if Rocky Balbola came out to shoot the freethrow.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Oh man, talk about a fan favorite thing.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I love.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Poor zingis here in Boston.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, he left the game, he got stitched up and
came back to us standing all I love my like
ww moments. For sure.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It just happens in the game, you know, and you
know me, like, I always love it engaging with the crowd,
and I already knew it like getting hit again, blood again,
Like crowd.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Was gonna, you know, go with it. So it was cool.
Speaker 13 (08:22):
It was fun.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Forehead. By the way, he's got a hurt. Oh, it
was really bloody.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
It was a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah. So Game three tomorrow nine in Orlando. Red Sox
lost to the Mariners last night eight five. They'll play
at one thirty this afternoon out at Fenway Park, and
the Bruins front office had a postgame postseason press conference
looking back on a bad season. Cam Neely got little
testy when asked if Don Sweeney still had a job.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Don has been a great gam in this league. Has
everything gone right? No, it doesn't. That's that's his sports.
But there's been more good than bad. Don and his group,
in my opinion, have burned the right to get us
back to where we all want to be.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You don't want to mess with Cam. Oh he am
I making this up. He looks tougher than ever. Oh yeah,
Like he could still punch you in the face and
knock you out cold. I love that. Toss this guy
in the NHL when he was painting by far. NFL
draft is tonight. Patriots have the fourth pick overall. We'll
see how that goes. And the accountant too comes out tomorrow.
(09:25):
Ben Affleck making the rounds promoting the movie the past
couple of weeks. He was on Kimmel last night, says
he watched Armageddon with his kids and they thought it
was really lame.
Speaker 13 (09:35):
During COVID, all the kids around the house and I
was like, hey, let's watch a movie. And I thought, oh,
maybe the kids will like Armageddon, you know, because that's
almost immediately it was like what what is This is
so stupid?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
My son is like, this doesn't make sense. This is
not a logic. Faced film is not one of the
criteria for you. It's making this. I thought it was
a great movie. That's a classic.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
The younger generation.
Speaker 10 (10:09):
But I have no idea what it's about.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Oh really, no, it's good. I mean it's a little
cheesy if you watch it now.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Is it, liv Tyler?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah? Liv Tyler. Remember the animal crackers in the bed
scene and Billy Bob Thornton is in it, isn't it
he is? Yeah? Anyway, Ben's ex j Logan to host
the American Music Awards May twenty six. You will also
perform on the show. Nominations who are announced yesterday. Kendrick
Lamar with the most overall ten nominations, including Artist of
the Year, Album of the Year, and a Song of
(10:40):
the Year for Not Like Post Malone has eight nominations,
seven each for Billie Eilish Chapel Roone and Shaboozi. Meantime
post Malone, he was served custody papers while at Coachella
last weekend. He's got a custody battle going with his X.
You know what's funny. He's smart.
Speaker 10 (10:56):
He filed first in Utah, so he'll have to pay
less because of the laws because she filed in LA.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
But he folt first. He was ahead of it. Oh wow. Yeah,
and don't forget he he brought ed Shearon out on
stage at Coachella. Ed Shearon popped into a bar in
Nashville this week, Santa's Pub in Nashville. He and Noah
Kahn sing together.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
But imagine being invited to that. They were like one
hundred people invited. It was a private event. Oh, in
this really cool dive bar.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, and they did several songs. Sixth season. Yeah. Okay,
So the Forbes list of female billionaires under forty is
out this morning. Taylor Swift has been dethroned. She is
no longer in number one. Lisa, what's up with the list?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Okay? The woman that dethroned her. Her name is Lucy Gao.
She's a thirty year old scale Ai co founder. She
left the company years ago, but has maintained her stake
in the company, which is now valued at twenty five billion.
So that's what puts her ahead of Taylor on the list.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Thirty years old, twenty five.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
She went to Carnegie Mellon. She's obviously a tech whiz
and she dropped out of school because she got a
grant to go start a company. She's also was integral
part of the snap maps technology.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Oh was that that thing where young kids used to
find out where their sons are?
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
No, like and I was. I was creeping on her
Instagram this morning. She's like she's living her best life.
She's gorgeous, like like she has she literally is like
so smart and so pretty and so successful.
Speaker 10 (12:31):
So to be clear, she's not the company anymore. No,
so she's just collecting a check every year.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
She's well the right, she has a stake in it,
and evaluation keeps going up.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Oh that's why.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
But Rihanna is still in the list. Rihanna is number five.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Oh, and I love that young kids use that to
have to find out where their friends are. Whennie uses
it to find out where her boyfriends are.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Actually, No, no, not anymore.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
No, those days have passed. Yeah, I actually noticed.
Speaker 10 (12:58):
I should have used it sooner.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
By the way, reports this morning say Taylor Swift could
be subpoened in the Blake Lively suit with Justin Baldoni,
not just Taylor, but also Hugh Jackman, Baldoni suggesting a
Lively weaponize to her friendship with Taylor to influence the
movie it ends with us. So that thing just gets
uglier and uglier. I don't know what's going on with that.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
It doesn't it.
Speaker 10 (13:25):
It's like, yeah, they're annoying me.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And People Magazine is just named Demi Moore this year's
most Beautiful Person. Oh she's very pretty.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Okay, I think she's gorgeous, but I still have to
get her.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Worst movie I've ever seen, Substance, and that's what brought
her back on to the scene. Yes, so it was
kind of an irony there. Horrible movie and the most
beautiful person.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Right because yeah, exactly, Lisa hates that movie.
Speaker 12 (13:51):
I had.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
That movie was awful, so stupid, it was awful. So
last week this is cool. Last week we had Angela
Perry from Boston casting on this show talking about the
Anthony Boardane movie and what they're looking for what.
Speaker 14 (14:04):
This director, amazing director. He wants real kitchen guys. He's like,
I'm not showing some actor how to use the knife.
I need somebody that really knows how to has good
kitchen skills.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So if you have any of that, you want to
go to Boston Casting dot Com. Meantime, the movie has
a name now. It's called Tony The Holdovers will definitely
star Antonio Benderos. We know that so far, and not
as Anthony Bourdain though, and it takes place in Pete Town,
so that's pretty cool. We were on that early with
and we were casting for the movie, and Lisa is excited.
(14:40):
The first trailer of Wednesday season two dropped yesterday.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
We have the first time you've ever willingly returned to
a school, Like we're turning to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Hobby Ruby, I already know where the bodies are buried.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I got into it because my son Riley forced me
to watch it. But I'm a huge Jenna Ortega f
And so the first part is released on August sixth,
and then the second on September third.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I love Jenna Ortega. I still don't know what Wednesday is.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
It's Wednesday, Adams, It's the Adams Family.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
So it's like, so she plays Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
She does, but it's like, you know, a newer version, updated.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
More about her than the Adams Family.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Right, She's a very good actress.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
The Kardashians are still expanding the empire. They've got a
new show now, Calabasas Behind the Gates.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:27):
I actually think it's kind of a smart concept about
all the other rich people in their neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, the famous family and their friends and neighbors.
Speaker 10 (15:34):
Yeah, you always wonder what it's like to be around
them and that lifestyle.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I have to understand. I have to ask the question,
are the neighbors happy with this show?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 10 (15:46):
So you know who's probably gonna be starring in it
is like Alabama Barker, like the Barker's extended family, because
Travis is married to Oh Courtney. They were in that neighborhood.
That's how they all met and were friends. So you know,
the Barkers are going to be in it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And Travis Barker was the for anyway, they don't have
a release date on that yet. It's very early and
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Speaker 1 (16:25):
It's as if Rocky Balboa came out to shoot the
freak throws.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
From the Planet's Fitness Kiss one a Studios foyerback with
a Villy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss What.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Do you say we give away a car, Well, we'll
at least qualify somebody for the free car from McGovern Hyundai.
And we're gonna call a name and that person has
exactly fifteen minutes to get back to us, no more,
no less, fifteen minutes. And here's the name at the
Toast snob one. I love that name. I like Tvocado Toes.
(17:01):
Maybe really into avocado toast or maybe works for the
friendly Toast. I don't know, but at the Toast snob one,
fifteen minutes starting right now. By the way, the qualifying
tickets this morning, Katie Perry TD Guard in August eighth,
you going to that show Lace, I don't think so.
Oh yeah, she just kicked it off.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
I think last night maybe this week definitely, wow, kicked
off the tour.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Okay, fifteen minutes and counting.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yeah, it's pretty cool today and tomorrow the last days.
Saturday will be a big event for all the qualifiers
to get together at McGovern in Lemonster give away a
brand new car.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Oh yeah, Lisa, you went to the last one. I
guess it was really exciting.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
It was exciting. It was intense the way that we
did it. So I can't wait for this Saturday too.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
A key fact about Lemister is that Johnny Appleseeds was
born there.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Happy Thursday everyone.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
There's a big sign when you drive on Rude two.
It's like the home of Johnny Appleseed Way. They're very
proud of that. Yeah, Westen s has been I know
Lemonster very well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Oh yeah, I've done a lot up in Lemons. I
spent a lot of time in Lemonstar really. Why Well,
because I used to do some work with Hyundai and
I have every single month, so I got to know
Lemonster too and the whole area.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Now is it in fact the home of the Lemon No,
it's not.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Johnny apple Seed Country.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah they want to wait.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
It's Matt from Lemonst.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I'm just calling in to say I hope you have
a great day. I love the show. Why listen every
single day? Thanks buddy, thank you, Thank you, Matt. Shout
out to Matt and Lemonster.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Yeah, this is this is gonna be a big event
on Saturday. So this is there's only a few more
chances to qualify, and yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna
be great giving away a brand new car.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And it's the way we count down to the winter.
It's very tense, yeah, and very exciting. It's really good.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Anyway, good morning, It's the mayor of the seth Bed.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
I was a jock last night. I went down to
Causeway Street because they closed it down for the Celtics games,
and I went to this bar and I watched the
game and I got apple martini and I made a
lot of new friends in the Celtics one game two,
who go Celtics. Hey, Billy, Lisa, when.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
We bawling, is that what they say?
Speaker 11 (19:20):
A great day?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That's right, Billy? And when we bother Oh boy, yeah
he had a big night last night. I guess.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
Thirty six points.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Yeah, I guess Missoula said after the game that Jalen
said because Tatum was out right, so he said, I'm
stepping up here.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
We're gonna win no matter what, and he did.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Apparently the mayor had a big night too. He was
bawling last night. Yeah, not bigger than Porzingis though.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's just a rocky Balbola came out to shoot the
free throw.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Did you see him shoot the free throws? You have
blood pouring out of his head.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
It seems like everything is going right for the Celtics, right.
I mean, I know Tatum is injured with the wrist,
but he'll be back. It just seems like they are
in such your groove. Yeah, I don't want to they're
playing really well.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Yeah, relaxed Bill still.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Okay, okay, But tomorrow night Game three in Orlando, and
then Sunday night, I believe it's Game four, also in Orlando,
and then if necessary, it comes back here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Who's gonna win it?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
The Celtics, because there's no other reason why. The Celtics
and the Balls Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Hey guys, welcome back. Happy Thursday to you. So the
Karen Reid Travell is heating up again. And you really
know what's heating up when Catherine Loftus is suddenly live
in studio again. Are in ounce lawyer, Catherine the loftis
so great to see you.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Guys, it's like deja vu.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Katherine round too.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Uh. And and you brought merch with you, which is
very cool.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I did a little swag bag and didn't know my objection. Sweatch,
that's hat. Billy's got it on looking good.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
He loves free swags.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Oh god, I knew you did. I put it on instantly.
I might put the hoodie on before this show is
over today.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, they look really comfortable. So thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Okay, So Cat, one question to start things off. I'm
curious we've all been talking about it, the crowds outside
the courthouse, the hype around the trial. Is it bigger
now or smaller?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's smaller. There's a larger buffer zone.
Speaker 15 (21:12):
So there was a buffer zone the first trial in
which individuals could only get a certain you know, amount
of space close to the court because there was information
received later that the jury could hear them outside chanting
talking about like that. They extended the buffer zone that's
actually in federal court because some individuals have contested that.
(21:35):
But as of right now, it's a little bit quieter
because you can't get as close as you could last time.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
How about this is the interest in the trial bigger
or smaller right now?
Speaker 15 (21:45):
I think it's I think it's the same, but in
a different way. It seems to be more national this time.
I actually feel like on the local level there's some
people who have checked out a little bit and a
little bit exhausted by the case and not really as
into it as they were the first time. But on
the national level, there's definitely more eyes on it, so
you have almost a new sort of demographic of people
(22:07):
watching it across the country.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
At Lisa, I was surprised to see O'Keeffe's mom for
the first time on the stand.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I'm glad you mentioned that because Peggy O'Keefe was on
the stand. She didn't take the stand in the first trial,
and then Carrie Roberts took the stand and two other people.
So my question to you is all of this sort
of circumstance, this sort of like testimony about Karen Reid's
actions and demeanor, how much of an impact is that
(22:33):
going to have versus just the evidence on whether Karen
actually hit him with her car.
Speaker 15 (22:38):
Well, what the comal is trying to do by presenting,
you know, how Karen was acting that night, that morning,
allegedly what she said to Kerry Roberts, the testimony from
Tim Nuttle, which was obviously a little bit tough about
you know, did he actually.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hear her say did I hit him? Could I have
hit him? Or did he not?
Speaker 15 (22:57):
It's it's a small piece of the evidence if you
think about it. It's not one thing that's going to
convict her. They have to prove through a number of
different sort of pieces of evidence. A lot of it
is data, some of it is statements. They're going to
use her behavior the subsequent media interviews to show that
she has changed her story. They're trying to prove consciousness
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of guilts. But you know, ultimately there's a lot of
sort of peripheral evidence information that comes into this trial
that ultimately, I don't think the jury is going to consider.
What we heard from some of the juror's last time
is that they really dismissed a lot of it as
distractions that didn't ultimately go to the issue with fact
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of whether she hit him or not. So it's going
to be interested, given that the presentation of evidence is
different with this prosecutor, whether the jury comes away with
that same understanding or different.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
If you're just tuning us, it's the Billy and Lisa
Morning Show. We're talking with the lawyer Catherine Loftus. She
is our expert counselor on the Karen Reid trial. I
don't know a whole lot about court room demeanor, but
it strikes me that this new special prosecutor is very good.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He is good, and I think it's interesting to watch.
Speaker 15 (24:07):
We haven't seen him really live in action in trial
outside of we've seen him in motions and they've been
litigating for months and months. But he's very different than
Adam Lallely. I think they're both kind of a quieter sense,
not quite as bombastic as you know Alan Jackson is,
but he's definitely more methodical and he has his story
(24:27):
planned out. He has the you know, sort of outline
of what he expects to come in. There's going to
be a lot more technical evidence, i think this time
for the Commwealth than there was the first, and he's
really leaving no stone unturned. It's he's interesting to watch.
He's a career defense attorney. I believe he was the
prosecutor at the beginning of his career, but he's switching
(24:48):
sides really and so the insight into how an attorney,
you know, presents a case on the opposite side than
they usually are is interesting because he's he knows what
the defense is thinking because this is usually what he
does for a living.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So it's interesting to watch.
Speaker 15 (25:04):
I think everybody's getting their feed a little what this week.
It seems to have been a little clunky the first
few days, so we'll see if everybody sort of gets
into this stride.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Well, they keep saying that he has new SCUV evidence,
data evidence, and cell phone evidence. Do you think there's
going to be like the bombshell moment where something's going
to come out?
Speaker 15 (25:22):
That might mean I think last time the evidence was
just very convoluted. It was difficult to understand what the
prosecutor was trying to get the jury to, you know,
and it felt a little even as a lawyer, I
could kind of see where he was going, but it
was lost in translation. It wasn't presented clearly through the experts.
So I think in addition to presenting that information in
a better, stronger way, the com we also has new
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information relative you know, we don't know specifically what it was,
but relative to the car, the phone temperature of jnal'
keeffe's phone.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
The battery.
Speaker 15 (25:53):
So it'll be we're gonna have new experts and they'll
present evidence in a different way.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Call me crazy, I think I think Karen Reid would
be better off taking the stand than doing television interviews.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, I'll call you crazy, really really why Well, because
she says.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
She says she wants everybody to know her story. What
better way than to tell her story.
Speaker 15 (26:15):
Well, on the front end, it's not from my perspective,
I don't think it was a good idea that they
allowed her to talk, at least in this length. Maybe
if they were going to, you know, do one interview
at one point, but the kalmult is literally going to
use everything they can and play it. As you saw yesterday,
one of the statements Karen made about Peggy O'Keeffe, the
coalm wealth now wants to introduce that that's under advisement
(26:35):
we'll hear this morning. While the Judge Canni lets that
in the reason why she's not going to get on
the standard is because she's subject to cross examination, and
she's made a number of different statements, and and they're
inconsistent in the way that each time a statement has
been made relative to that morning, this new detailed details
added that are largely self serving and help the defense.
And I don't think that that would farewell for her
(26:58):
under cross examination.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And I don't know. If my life is on the line,
I think I want to tell my story.
Speaker 15 (27:04):
Everybody generally wants to tell this story. It's probably not
that she doesn't want to get on the stand, but
the legal consequence will probably be a lot. I don't
think that there's a benefit to her. I think there's
far more risk than a benefit.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I agree with you.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Before we go to break, I have a questions. So
Michael Projet's officially been fired. Do you think that's going
to make a big difference in the trial, that he's
actually been fired for his actions?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I mean, I think it'll make a difference.
Speaker 15 (27:27):
I don't know how substantial of a difference, only because
it was so bad the first time. I mean, everything
that we heard the text messages about Karen Reid. How
you know he disparaged her and you know the conflict
and really everything he did was just wrong in this case,
and he did not come off it is remotely likable
or sympathetic the first time.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It's really just sort of an.
Speaker 15 (27:47):
Added confirmation from the defense to be able to say
to the jury, not only does he appear this way
to you, but he appeared this way to you know,
the deparminent, which he worked form they term it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It needed him for it.
Speaker 15 (27:58):
So I do think it in terms of his reliability
that's going to help them further diminish that.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I got to tell you, once I saw a proctor
was fired, I'm thinking, oh my, this might be over.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Well.
Speaker 15 (28:09):
The interesting thing is generally what happens is police work
in tandems. So most of the evidence, and you know,
one of the it was an interview, a collection of
evidence and things like that done with another officer. So
he had Trooper Euro Buchanck with him for the most part.
So if it was only him and nobody could else
could testify and his credibility was shot, that would be
tough for But because we have Buchanic to testify to it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
All right, we're talking with counselor Catherine Loftus, and she's
going to be hanging out with us, which means you
get to call in with your question six one, seven, nine, three, eight.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Good morning guys, especially Billy. Obviously, I can't get enough
with this Karen Reid hoopla and everything else about it.
All I want to know is if I'm on the
Jerry and Billy's then question, I'm lying all day long
to protect It's cute, but so what's my punishment?
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Now?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It's topic time for the Billy and Lisa in the morning, and.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
The Red trial definitely is a hot topic. We've got
lawyer Catherine Loftis. She is our lawyer exclusive to the
Karen Reid trial and has been from day one. When
I think of it, right up sided.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Here, Billy DM to Winnie, look at what.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Happens, and thank you. She brought merchant. I'm not wearing everything, Okay,
bring the march. I'm wearing it. Okay, that's a sign
of respect. Okay. We said we would take your calls
and your questions for Catherine Loftis on the Karen Reid trial.
Let's start with Lisa in Braintree. Good morning, Lisa, say hello,
load of Catherine loftis.
Speaker 16 (29:33):
Good morning, Catherine, Wanting, Billy, Lisa, Justin and Winnie.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
I hope you're all.
Speaker 16 (29:37):
Having a good day so far. So like everybody, everyone's
watching this case.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
And I have a question about yesterday in regards to
the tail light, about the Carrie Roberts, how she lied,
How you know there was only a.
Speaker 16 (29:48):
Crack and a little teeny piece of mission, but at
the end of the snowstorm, twelve inches later, all of
a sudden, forty or fifty pieces up here. Okay, okay,
that's the thing that will cause red in a boat.
Speaker 15 (30:01):
So during the first trial, if my memory is cracked,
she testified that there was a crack and a piece missing,
and then yesterday she testified that there was a piece
missing in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So I don't know that they're super inconsistent.
Speaker 15 (30:14):
Obviously, there were a number of pieces of tailight found
at the scene. Presumably that's the arguably what they're trying
to say, that piece was broken into smaller pieces, the
one that they see missing.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
The part is that when they did the first, the
first sweep of the area, it was the beginning of
the snowstorm, and they didn't find all those pieces or
his shoe and then you know, at the end of
the day, after everyone did what they did, all of
a sudden, twelve inches are on the ground and now
they find all the pieces, right, I mean, I.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
Think ultimately it comes down to, you know, one thing
that they definitely should have done right off the bat,
and this is one of the things they talked about
and they can't nodded, is that they didn't They attempted
to secure the scene at first. There was video of
them trying to put up you know, crime scene tape
and it was so windy that they couldn't put up
down her a tent. And what they should have done
is basically, you know, put a cruiser there until the
(31:02):
search team got there. I think it was full forty
five they arrived, which they didn't. And so that's basically
an argument that the defense gets to make to the jury.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Then, Okay, because there was you.
Speaker 15 (31:10):
Know, this time lapse in between, that's substandard, not normal
police investigation, so you can take that into consideration.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay, thank you very much for the call. Appreciate the
kind words too. Let's go to Dina in PBDY. Dinas,
you have a question for Catherine Hi.
Speaker 12 (31:24):
Katherine in High Morning Team Catherine, I was. I was
really invested and watched a lot of the first trial.
Since then, you know, I haven't been watching like every day,
but I did watch the HBOS special, you know, the
body and the Body in the night or whatever it was.
(31:45):
In the she said, like in the first scene, this
is my story, this is my testimony. And then like
later on she was she says, I'm done, Morning John,
I I've launched him. This is all about me.
Speaker 17 (32:02):
Can they I just.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
Found her very cold? Can they use that since she said,
this is my testimony, this is my story, can they
use that any scenes from HBO documentary the prosecution?
Speaker 15 (32:15):
They can, and they have already they used. One of
the first steam that they used was from Nightline. The
second statement they used was from the HBO documentary. You know,
I think it's a good reminder people hear a lot
anything you say cannon will be used. So they forget
that will pot you know that when you're being charged,
particularly as a criminal defendant with serious charges, if you speak,
(32:37):
the commwealth is not only going to get that, you know,
footage and statements, but they will use it against you.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
So why do the interviews it's very question.
Speaker 15 (32:45):
So the HBO documentary was filmed while the first trial
was going on, and there was such exclusive access. I
really believed that they thought they were sure she was
going to be found not guilty and so it was
never going to have any consequence in court. Clearly that
was a mis step because now there's I think there
was four hundred hours of unedited footage and the piece
that Attorney Brennan played for the Commonwealth was one of
(33:08):
the pieces we didn't see. So not only can they
play what was on HBO, they can play all of
the testimony, non testimony, the statements that she made. And
the producer of the series actually gave an interview and
said that they kept out some things that you know
the team are. Alan Jackson said like, don't include that,
and they kept it out of the documentary. So I
(33:28):
think there's probably some stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Let's go to Michelle and Georgechester. Michelle, you have a
question for Catherine, Yes, good morning.
Speaker 17 (33:35):
I want to know, especially yesterday when Attorney Jackson caught
Carrie in a lie and she admitted it and then
tried to cover it. BEV saved her instead of at
what point are they going to start prosecuting these people
for perjuring themselves. They did it so much in the
last try to especially Higgins. All of a sudden BEV said,
(33:55):
you know, let's go get your lawyer. Like the judge
knows that they are during themselves and nothing's being done.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, I didn't like that the judge let Kerry Roberts
off the hook the way she did.
Speaker 15 (34:06):
Well, So it's not I know people might not like this,
but it's not perjury. So what perjury perjury is very
the word is loosely thrown around. It's not just something
that's false. It has to be false and knowingly falsely presented.
So when you're under oath, you have to know that
what I'm saying is a lie, and I'm going to
tell the lie.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Anyway. If you say something that ends up being false.
Speaker 15 (34:27):
Or you know, you heard it and you believe it
to be true, that's not perjury. And so she's not
going to be charged with perjury. And because it couldn't
be proved, you know, the issue with it is clearly
she was caught in, you know, making it incorrect statement
to the grand jury. Ultimately, I wonder whether it really
goes to the reliability of carry or not. I think
(34:47):
overwhelmingly she comes across as pretty reliable. She's not connected
previously to any of these people, so she doesn't have
an incentive to lie on the front end. It's going
to come down to whether clearly Jen McCabe told her.
You know, Karen told me to google hypothermia in the
car right, And so the question is do you believe
jemmacabe and the celebrate and the data or do you
believe the defense and Richard Green that happened at two
(35:09):
thirty See.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
This is why you're a lawyer and where not? Justin
t Morning.
Speaker 16 (35:13):
Crew, it's Lisa from bringing three Flash downflover and up.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
How are you so, Catherine, can you please ask her
who's on the witness list?
Speaker 16 (35:22):
Like, is Jen McCabe and.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
The you know Albert guy, are they all on the
witness list?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Do we know that?
Speaker 15 (35:29):
Yes, there's one hundred and fifty witnesses on the list
that's combined between the Defense and the Commonwealth. Not all
of those witnesses are going to be called those It's
really a game time decision. You have to put everybody
on in order to put the other party on notice.
So anybody that the or the defense could potentially call
will be on the list, but then they decide as
they go as the evidence.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Development, Well we hear from those two accident reconstructionists again,
yes we will.
Speaker 15 (35:53):
So this has been up in the air because there's
been a lot of question about discovery being turned over,
what wasn't the to the relationship following trial one with
the defense and OKRA and so we actually have a
void coming up on Monday relative to that. But ultimately,
I do think they're going to testify. You know, I
think it might be a little bit different this time around,
given that we have this new information, you know, relative
(36:16):
to whether there was conversations or you know, any if
they're going to do additional testing, But I do think
they will testify.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I love that Word's not.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Really a question about the trial, but I just want
to know if she thinks that Karen Reid has the
most annoying voice in the entire world.
Speaker 17 (36:36):
I don't know if you can answer this, but I
would love to know if she thinks that, because a
lot of people do, including me.
Speaker 15 (36:43):
Well, I'll give Karen a break because I get that
a lot too, you know, with my with my boss
and acts, and I get a lot of pushback. So no,
she sounds okay to me. I mean, I think her
facial expressions and things. You know, there's a lot of
things that she has to be aware of that the
jury and you know, people observing the cases of watching.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
But you know, all right, we've had Catherine Loftus, let's
face it, the Karen Reid trial heating up again. Thank
you so much for coming in again after taking everybody's questions,
and uh, okay, we'll see you next Thursday. Yeah, next
Oh good,
Now first morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
It's just a great start to my day.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Okay, good morning everybody, and happy Thursday. Today is I believe,
Lisa Dunnovan. I believe it is April twenty fourth.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
You got that right, bell Boy.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
This month is sailing through, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
Definitely?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
So next week is May.
Speaker 5 (00:22):
I'm happy about that because March and April not good
months around here.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
No, we get rid of the mud, we get rid
of the showers and everything else. So the weather's going
to be really nice today.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yeah, mild, mild again tomorrow. But rain on Saturday, little
rain on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (00:37):
I don't want to make a big deal about it. Sorry, today,
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Let's go this one.
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Ain't my favor with you station? Let's see, my God, that.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
A child or someone who sounds like a child. I
believe it's a child.
Speaker 8 (00:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (00:55):
Let's go his one.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Ain't my favor with you station. It could be an
older teenager and doing the Tom Brady thing.
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That's kind of cool. Let's go. Okay, Oh, only two
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And when is that happening car Saturday? Wow, that's soon?
Huh Yeah?
Speaker 10 (01:39):
And Lemonster, Oh, I love that he doesn't love Lemonster.
Ter's a great city. They have lots of stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I like Lemons.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I hear that's where the lemon was invented.
Speaker 11 (01:51):
You get it?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah, you go. If you don't mind, could you indulge
me for just a couple of minutes. I want to
talk about my Oh it's dream time with Bell. What
was it this time?
Speaker 12 (02:07):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
My god? Okay, Historically, my dreams are typically violent and
very scary, very upsetting. They put me in the panic,
and I always wake up exhausted. So I'll try to
walk you through this one, because this one definitely didn't
make any sense. Somehow I was doing a club gig
sometime in the mid eighties, And after the club gig,
(02:29):
I had to go right to the radio station to
do the show, which timing wise doesn't make a whole
lot of sense. But the radio show was in the
original Kiss building over on Root sixteen, Yeah, which is
being knocked down any day now. And I walked into
the studio and there was Justin in the studio like
I'm looking at him right now through the glass. That
(02:50):
was the same deal.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Did I look like I look now? Or did I
look like an eighties verse? You look like you look now?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And panic had already set in in the building, okay,
but there was no one else in the building except
for Justin until I arrived.
Speaker 11 (03:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And the panic was because all of a sudden, the
entire music log was gone. There was no access to
any music, any entertainment on the radio show, and Justin
was jumping up and down. We didn't know what to do.
I was going on the air within the minute. I
was jumped in and had to go on the air
in a minute. Nothing was doing that thing where he
(03:23):
waves his hands in the air every morning on this show.
So somehow I got access last minute to some bunker
downstairs and they had like nothing but old music, right,
so I brought up the one song I found right
away just to get us on the air. And I
don't know why, but the song was Highway to Help. Okay, Okay,
(03:46):
now you need to understand this is the only song
we had right there, and this is this is on
Kiss Went Away.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yes, it over and over again.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
We had to play Highway.
Speaker 10 (03:54):
To Hell over and over genre but okay, I told
you this makes no sense song.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah. So then I started finding random other songs like
oh my God, like Brooks and Done, early songs like
Highway to Hell and Brooks and Done explain that you
can't right, you can't. So and then I went as
far back in the as the British Rock Invasion and
justin I found a Dave Clark five song. So now
(04:21):
let's review. We have Highway to Hell, we have Brooks
and Done and Dave Clark five from like the early
sixties the Monkeys at least the earlier than the Monkeys,
because I love you monster it.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So now enter Lisa Dunnovan into the panic. Yep, Okay, again,
we only have four or five songs to play with,
and none of the songs made sense. The kids went
to wait. Lisa walks in. She said, oh, I've got it,
I can I can get Tommy Hillfigger to stop by.
Oh my god, what.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Oh no, there's a big show in Bar Austin, and
she's listing all these random designers that can come into
the station, and we're looking for music, and she's Lisa
the fashion and ironically Lisa looked as she does right now.
But this was set in the eighties. Yes, okay, did.
Speaker 10 (05:17):
You have your eighties did you look different?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
No, that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
We were all current, but back in the.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Eighties our content was anything but current. You should have
started singing.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
One way or I'm gonna find you, I'm gonna get you,
get get.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Get you one way. Oh my god, it was. It
was terrifying. I woke up, woke up. But who were
some of the other designers you were listening and none
of them were current. It wasn't like she was saying,
oh I can get Veronica Bear, like Rag and Bone.
(05:59):
It's like von Furstenberg and Tommy Hillfinger.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Okay, so Bill's dreams we've talked about extensively on this show.
So I've officially reached out to. A certified dream analyst
also join our show and break down Billy's dreams.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah, your dreams sound exhausting.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
They have dogged me my entire life since I was
like five six years old. Most of them. I'm always
being chased, chased by people with weapons trying to kill me,
and I never know why. I'm just running. I'm always
Maybe that's why I ended up doing marathons. Maybe I
was always running for my life in the dreams. Well,
(06:39):
we'll break it all down.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
This woman that I reached out to, she's been on
the view Good Morning America CNN.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Finally, yeah, today's show.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
But you did say that sometimes like you have nice
dreams too.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Okay, you want to go there, so whenever, Lisa Dunno,
it is in my dreams. It's a nice dream because
we're traveling and shopping in Paris, were walking the beach
in Nice, France.
Speaker 9 (07:05):
Are you sure you're straight?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Actually no, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
From the planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios. We're back
with the Villy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss
on eight Now the Entertainment Update with a Villy constas.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Okay, we have to leave with the Celtics this morning.
They beat the Magic again last night one O nine,
one hundred. They take a two game ZIP lead into
Orlando tomorrow night. Seltz did it without Jason Tatum nursing
the bruised at wristbone, and Porzingis had to leave the
game in the third quarter with a bloody gash on
his forehead. Here's the call.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I don't think I've ever seen that before.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
Blood on the head, all over the face, come in,
shoot the free throw and obviously we'll check out now
and get cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's as if Rocky Balbola came out to shoot the freethrow.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Oh man, talk about a fan favorite thing.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
I love.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Poor zingis here in Boston.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, he left the game, he got stitched up and
came back to us standing all I love my like
ww moments. For sure.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
It just happens in the game, you know, and you
know me, like, I always love it engaging with the crowd,
and I already knew it like getting hit again, blood again,
Like crowd.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Was gonna, you know, go with it. So it was cool.
Speaker 13 (08:22):
It was fun.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Forehead. By the way, he's got a hurt. Oh, it
was really bloody.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
It was a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah. So Game three tomorrow nine in Orlando. Red Sox
lost to the Mariners last night eight five. They'll play
at one thirty this afternoon out at Fenway Park, and
the Bruins front office had a postgame postseason press conference
looking back on a bad season. Cam Neely got little
testy when asked if Don Sweeney still had a job.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Don has been a great gam in this league. Has
everything gone right? No, it doesn't. That's that's his sports.
But there's been more good than bad. Don and his group,
in my opinion, have burned the right to get us
back to where we all want to be.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You don't want to mess with Cam. Oh he am
I making this up. He looks tougher than ever. Oh yeah,
Like he could still punch you in the face and
knock you out cold. I love that. Toss this guy
in the NHL when he was painting by far. NFL
draft is tonight. Patriots have the fourth pick overall. We'll
see how that goes. And the accountant too comes out tomorrow.
(09:25):
Ben Affleck making the rounds promoting the movie the past
couple of weeks. He was on Kimmel last night, says
he watched Armageddon with his kids and they thought it
was really lame.
Speaker 13 (09:35):
During COVID, all the kids around the house and I
was like, hey, let's watch a movie. And I thought, oh,
maybe the kids will like Armageddon, you know, because that's
almost immediately it was like what what is This is
so stupid?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
My son is like, this doesn't make sense. This is
not a logic. Faced film is not one of the
criteria for you. It's making this. I thought it was
a great movie. That's a classic.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Oh god.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
The younger generation.
Speaker 10 (10:09):
But I have no idea what it's about.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Oh really, no, it's good. I mean it's a little
cheesy if you watch it now.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Is it, liv Tyler?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah? Liv Tyler. Remember the animal crackers in the bed
scene and Billy Bob Thornton is in it, isn't it
he is? Yeah? Anyway, Ben's ex j Logan to host
the American Music Awards May twenty six. You will also
perform on the show. Nominations who are announced yesterday. Kendrick
Lamar with the most overall ten nominations, including Artist of
the Year, Album of the Year, and a Song of
(10:40):
the Year for Not Like Post Malone has eight nominations,
seven each for Billie Eilish Chapel Roone and Shaboozi. Meantime
post Malone, he was served custody papers while at Coachella
last weekend. He's got a custody battle going with his X.
You know what's funny. He's smart.
Speaker 10 (10:56):
He filed first in Utah, so he'll have to pay
less because of the laws because she filed in LA.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
But he folt first. He was ahead of it. Oh wow. Yeah,
and don't forget he he brought ed Shearon out on
stage at Coachella. Ed Shearon popped into a bar in
Nashville this week, Santa's Pub in Nashville. He and Noah
Kahn sing together.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
But imagine being invited to that. They were like one
hundred people invited. It was a private event. Oh, in
this really cool dive bar.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeah, and they did several songs. Sixth season. Yeah. Okay,
So the Forbes list of female billionaires under forty is
out this morning. Taylor Swift has been dethroned. She is
no longer in number one. Lisa, what's up with the list?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Okay? The woman that dethroned her. Her name is Lucy Gao.
She's a thirty year old scale Ai co founder. She
left the company years ago, but has maintained her stake
in the company, which is now valued at twenty five billion.
So that's what puts her ahead of Taylor on the list.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Thirty years old, twenty five.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
She went to Carnegie Mellon. She's obviously a tech whiz
and she dropped out of school because she got a
grant to go start a company. She's also was integral
part of the snap maps technology.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Oh was that that thing where young kids used to
find out where their sons are?
Speaker 7 (12:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
No, like and I was. I was creeping on her
Instagram this morning. She's like she's living her best life.
She's gorgeous, like like she has she literally is like
so smart and so pretty and so successful.
Speaker 10 (12:31):
So to be clear, she's not the company anymore. No,
so she's just collecting a check every year.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
She's well the right, she has a stake in it,
and evaluation keeps going up.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Oh that's why.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
But Rihanna is still in the list. Rihanna is number five.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Oh, and I love that young kids use that to
have to find out where their friends are. Whennie uses
it to find out where her boyfriends are.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Actually, No, no, not anymore.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
No, those days have passed. Yeah, I actually noticed.
Speaker 10 (12:58):
I should have used it sooner.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
By the way, reports this morning say Taylor Swift could
be subpoened in the Blake Lively suit with Justin Baldoni,
not just Taylor, but also Hugh Jackman, Baldoni suggesting a
Lively weaponize to her friendship with Taylor to influence the
movie it ends with us. So that thing just gets
uglier and uglier. I don't know what's going on with that.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
It doesn't it.
Speaker 10 (13:25):
It's like, yeah, they're annoying me.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
And People Magazine is just named Demi Moore this year's
most Beautiful Person. Oh she's very pretty.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Okay, I think she's gorgeous, but I still have to
get her.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Worst movie I've ever seen, Substance, and that's what brought
her back on to the scene. Yes, so it was
kind of an irony there. Horrible movie and the most
beautiful person.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Right because yeah, exactly, Lisa hates that movie.
Speaker 12 (13:51):
I had.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
That movie was awful, so stupid, it was awful. So
last week this is cool. Last week we had Angela
Perry from Boston casting on this show talking about the
Anthony Boardane movie and what they're looking for what.
Speaker 14 (14:04):
This director, amazing director. He wants real kitchen guys. He's like,
I'm not showing some actor how to use the knife.
I need somebody that really knows how to has good
kitchen skills.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So if you have any of that, you want to
go to Boston Casting dot Com. Meantime, the movie has
a name now. It's called Tony The Holdovers will definitely
star Antonio Benderos. We know that so far, and not
as Anthony Bourdain though, and it takes place in Pete Town,
so that's pretty cool. We were on that early with
and we were casting for the movie, and Lisa is excited.
(14:40):
The first trailer of Wednesday season two dropped yesterday.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
We have the first time you've ever willingly returned to
a school, Like we're turning to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Hobby Ruby, I already know where the bodies are buried.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I got into it because my son Riley forced me
to watch it. But I'm a huge Jenna Ortega f
And so the first part is released on August sixth,
and then the second on September third.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I love Jenna Ortega. I still don't know what Wednesday is.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
It's Wednesday, Adams, It's the Adams Family.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
So it's like, so she plays Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
She does, but it's like, you know, a newer version, updated.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
More about her than the Adams Family.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Right, She's a very good actress.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
The Kardashians are still expanding the empire. They've got a
new show now, Calabasas Behind the Gates.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:27):
I actually think it's kind of a smart concept about
all the other rich people in their neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, the famous family and their friends and neighbors.
Speaker 10 (15:34):
Yeah, you always wonder what it's like to be around
them and that lifestyle.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I have to understand. I have to ask the question,
are the neighbors happy with this show?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 10 (15:46):
So you know who's probably gonna be starring in it
is like Alabama Barker, like the Barker's extended family, because
Travis is married to Oh Courtney. They were in that neighborhood.
That's how they all met and were friends. So you know,
the Barkers are going to be in it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And Travis Barker was the for anyway, they don't have
a release date on that yet. It's very early and
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Speaker 1 (16:25):
It's as if Rocky Balboa came out to shoot the
freak throws.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
From the Planet's Fitness Kiss one a Studios foyerback with
a Villy and Lisa in the morning on Kiss What.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Do you say we give away a car, Well, we'll
at least qualify somebody for the free car from McGovern Hyundai.
And we're gonna call a name and that person has
exactly fifteen minutes to get back to us, no more,
no less, fifteen minutes. And here's the name at the
Toast snob one. I love that name. I like Tvocado Toes.
(17:01):
Maybe really into avocado toast or maybe works for the
friendly Toast. I don't know, but at the Toast snob one,
fifteen minutes starting right now. By the way, the qualifying
tickets this morning, Katie Perry TD Guard in August eighth,
you going to that show Lace, I don't think so.
Oh yeah, she just kicked it off.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
I think last night maybe this week definitely, wow, kicked
off the tour.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Okay, fifteen minutes and counting.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
Yeah, it's pretty cool today and tomorrow the last days.
Saturday will be a big event for all the qualifiers
to get together at McGovern in Lemonster give away a
brand new car.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Oh yeah, Lisa, you went to the last one. I
guess it was really exciting.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
It was exciting. It was intense the way that we
did it. So I can't wait for this Saturday too.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
A key fact about Lemister is that Johnny Appleseeds was
born there.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Happy Thursday everyone.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
There's a big sign when you drive on Rude two.
It's like the home of Johnny Appleseed Way. They're very
proud of that. Yeah, Westen s has been I know
Lemonster very well, thank you.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Oh yeah, I've done a lot up in Lemons. I
spent a lot of time in Lemonstar really. Why Well,
because I used to do some work with Hyundai and
I have every single month, so I got to know
Lemonster too and the whole area.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Now is it in fact the home of the Lemon No,
it's not.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Johnny apple Seed Country.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah they want to wait.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
It's Matt from Lemonst.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I'm just calling in to say I hope you have
a great day. I love the show. Why listen every
single day? Thanks buddy, thank you, Thank you, Matt. Shout
out to Matt and Lemonster.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Yeah, this is this is gonna be a big event
on Saturday. So this is there's only a few more
chances to qualify, and yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna
be great giving away a brand new car.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
And it's the way we count down to the winter.
It's very tense, yeah, and very exciting. It's really good.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Anyway, good morning, It's the mayor of the seth Bed.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
I was a jock last night. I went down to
Causeway Street because they closed it down for the Celtics games,
and I went to this bar and I watched the
game and I got apple martini and I made a
lot of new friends in the Celtics one game two,
who go Celtics. Hey, Billy, Lisa, when.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
We bawling, is that what they say?
Speaker 11 (19:20):
A great day?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That's right, Billy? And when we bother Oh boy, yeah
he had a big night last night. I guess.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
Thirty six points.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Yeah, I guess Missoula said after the game that Jalen
said because Tatum was out right, so he said, I'm
stepping up here.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
We're gonna win no matter what, and he did.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Apparently the mayor had a big night too. He was
bawling last night. Yeah, not bigger than Porzingis though.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's just a rocky Balbola came out to shoot the
free throw.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Did you see him shoot the free throws? You have
blood pouring out of his head.
Speaker 11 (19:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
It seems like everything is going right for the Celtics, right.
I mean, I know Tatum is injured with the wrist,
but he'll be back. It just seems like they are
in such your groove. Yeah, I don't want to they're
playing really well.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Yeah, relaxed Bill still.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Okay, okay, But tomorrow night Game three in Orlando, and
then Sunday night, I believe it's Game four, also in Orlando,
and then if necessary, it comes back here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Who's gonna win it?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
The Celtics, because there's no other reason why. The Celtics
and the Balls Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Hey guys, welcome back. Happy Thursday to you. So the
Karen Reid Travell is heating up again. And you really
know what's heating up when Catherine Loftus is suddenly live
in studio again. Are in ounce lawyer, Catherine the loftis
so great to see you.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Guys, it's like deja vu.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Katherine round too.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Uh. And and you brought merch with you, which is
very cool.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I did a little swag bag and didn't know my objection. Sweatch,
that's hat. Billy's got it on looking good.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
He loves free swags.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Oh god, I knew you did. I put it on instantly.
I might put the hoodie on before this show is
over today.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Yeah, they look really comfortable. So thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Okay, So Cat, one question to start things off. I'm
curious we've all been talking about it, the crowds outside
the courthouse, the hype around the trial. Is it bigger
now or smaller?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's smaller. There's a larger buffer zone.
Speaker 15 (21:12):
So there was a buffer zone the first trial in
which individuals could only get a certain you know, amount
of space close to the court because there was information
received later that the jury could hear them outside chanting
talking about like that. They extended the buffer zone that's
actually in federal court because some individuals have contested that.
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But as of right now, it's a little bit quieter
because you can't get as close as you could last time.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
How about this is the interest in the trial bigger
or smaller right now?
Speaker 15 (21:45):
I think it's I think it's the same, but in
a different way. It seems to be more national this time.
I actually feel like on the local level there's some
people who have checked out a little bit and a
little bit exhausted by the case and not really as
into it as they were the first time. But on
the national level, there's definitely more eyes on it, so
you have almost a new sort of demographic of people
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watching it across the country.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
At Lisa, I was surprised to see O'Keeffe's mom for
the first time on the stand.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I'm glad you mentioned that because Peggy O'Keefe was on
the stand. She didn't take the stand in the first trial,
and then Carrie Roberts took the stand and two other people.
So my question to you is all of this sort
of circumstance, this sort of like testimony about Karen Reid's
actions and demeanor, how much of an impact is that
(22:33):
going to have versus just the evidence on whether Karen
actually hit him with her car.
Speaker 15 (22:38):
Well, what the comal is trying to do by presenting,
you know, how Karen was acting that night, that morning,
allegedly what she said to Kerry Roberts, the testimony from
Tim Nuttle, which was obviously a little bit tough about
you know, did he actually.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Hear her say did I hit him? Could I have
hit him? Or did he not?
Speaker 15 (22:57):
It's it's a small piece of the evidence if you
think about it. It's not one thing that's going to
convict her. They have to prove through a number of
different sort of pieces of evidence. A lot of it
is data, some of it is statements. They're going to
use her behavior the subsequent media interviews to show that
she has changed her story. They're trying to prove consciousness
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of guilts. But you know, ultimately there's a lot of
sort of peripheral evidence information that comes into this trial
that ultimately, I don't think the jury is going to consider.
What we heard from some of the juror's last time
is that they really dismissed a lot of it as
distractions that didn't ultimately go to the issue with fact
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of whether she hit him or not. So it's going
to be interested, given that the presentation of evidence is
different with this prosecutor, whether the jury comes away with
that same understanding or different.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
If you're just tuning us, it's the Billy and Lisa
Morning Show. We're talking with the lawyer Catherine Loftus. She
is our expert counselor on the Karen Reid trial. I
don't know a whole lot about court room demeanor, but
it strikes me that this new special prosecutor is very good.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
He is good, and I think it's interesting to watch.
Speaker 15 (24:07):
We haven't seen him really live in action in trial
outside of we've seen him in motions and they've been
litigating for months and months. But he's very different than
Adam Lallely. I think they're both kind of a quieter sense,
not quite as bombastic as you know Alan Jackson is,
but he's definitely more methodical and he has his story
(24:27):
planned out. He has the you know, sort of outline
of what he expects to come in. There's going to
be a lot more technical evidence, i think this time
for the Commwealth than there was the first, and he's
really leaving no stone unturned. It's he's interesting to watch.
He's a career defense attorney. I believe he was the
prosecutor at the beginning of his career, but he's switching
(24:48):
sides really and so the insight into how an attorney,
you know, presents a case on the opposite side than
they usually are is interesting because he's he knows what
the defense is thinking because this is usually what he
does for a living.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So it's interesting to watch.
Speaker 15 (25:04):
I think everybody's getting their feed a little what this week.
It seems to have been a little clunky the first
few days, so we'll see if everybody sort of gets
into this stride.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Well, they keep saying that he has new SCUV evidence,
data evidence, and cell phone evidence. Do you think there's
going to be like the bombshell moment where something's going
to come out?
Speaker 15 (25:22):
That might mean I think last time the evidence was
just very convoluted. It was difficult to understand what the
prosecutor was trying to get the jury to, you know,
and it felt a little even as a lawyer, I
could kind of see where he was going, but it
was lost in translation. It wasn't presented clearly through the experts.
So I think in addition to presenting that information in
a better, stronger way, the com we also has new
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information relative you know, we don't know specifically what it was,
but relative to the car, the phone temperature of jnal'
keeffe's phone.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
The battery.
Speaker 15 (25:53):
So it'll be we're gonna have new experts and they'll
present evidence in a different way.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Call me crazy, I think I think Karen Reid would
be better off taking the stand than doing television interviews.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, I'll call you crazy, really really why Well, because
she says.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
She says she wants everybody to know her story. What
better way than to tell her story.
Speaker 15 (26:15):
Well, on the front end, it's not from my perspective,
I don't think it was a good idea that they
allowed her to talk, at least in this length. Maybe
if they were going to, you know, do one interview
at one point, but the kalmult is literally going to
use everything they can and play it. As you saw yesterday,
one of the statements Karen made about Peggy O'Keeffe, the
coalm wealth now wants to introduce that that's under advisement
(26:35):
we'll hear this morning. While the Judge Canni lets that
in the reason why she's not going to get on
the standard is because she's subject to cross examination, and
she's made a number of different statements, and and they're
inconsistent in the way that each time a statement has
been made relative to that morning, this new detailed details
added that are largely self serving and help the defense.
And I don't think that that would farewell for her
(26:58):
under cross examination.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And I don't know. If my life is on the line,
I think I want to tell my story.
Speaker 15 (27:04):
Everybody generally wants to tell this story. It's probably not
that she doesn't want to get on the stand, but
the legal consequence will probably be a lot. I don't
think that there's a benefit to her. I think there's
far more risk than a benefit.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I agree with you.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Before we go to break, I have a questions. So
Michael Projet's officially been fired. Do you think that's going
to make a big difference in the trial, that he's
actually been fired for his actions?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I mean, I think it'll make a difference.
Speaker 15 (27:27):
I don't know how substantial of a difference, only because
it was so bad the first time. I mean, everything
that we heard the text messages about Karen Reid. How
you know he disparaged her and you know the conflict
and really everything he did was just wrong in this case,
and he did not come off it is remotely likable
or sympathetic the first time.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It's really just sort of an.
Speaker 15 (27:47):
Added confirmation from the defense to be able to say
to the jury, not only does he appear this way
to you, but he appeared this way to you know,
the deparminent, which he worked form they term it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It needed him for it.
Speaker 15 (27:58):
So I do think it in terms of his reliability
that's going to help them further diminish that.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I got to tell you, once I saw a proctor
was fired, I'm thinking, oh my, this might be over.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Well.
Speaker 15 (28:09):
The interesting thing is generally what happens is police work
in tandems. So most of the evidence, and you know,
one of the it was an interview, a collection of
evidence and things like that done with another officer. So
he had Trooper Euro Buchanck with him for the most part.
So if it was only him and nobody could else
could testify and his credibility was shot, that would be
tough for But because we have Buchanic to testify to it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
All right, we're talking with counselor Catherine Loftus, and she's
going to be hanging out with us, which means you
get to call in with your question six one, seven, nine, three, eight.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
Good morning guys, especially Billy. Obviously, I can't get enough
with this Karen Reid hoopla and everything else about it.
All I want to know is if I'm on the
Jerry and Billy's then question, I'm lying all day long
to protect It's cute, but so what's my punishment?
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Now?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It's topic time for the Billy and Lisa in the morning, and.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
The Red trial definitely is a hot topic. We've got
lawyer Catherine Loftis. She is our lawyer exclusive to the
Karen Reid trial and has been from day one. When
I think of it, right up sided.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Here, Billy DM to Winnie, look at what.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Happens, and thank you. She brought merchant. I'm not wearing everything, Okay,
bring the march. I'm wearing it. Okay, that's a sign
of respect. Okay. We said we would take your calls
and your questions for Catherine Loftis on the Karen Reid trial.
Let's start with Lisa in Braintree. Good morning, Lisa, say hello,
load of Catherine loftis.
Speaker 16 (29:33):
Good morning, Catherine, Wanting, Billy, Lisa, Justin and Winnie.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
I hope you're all.
Speaker 16 (29:37):
Having a good day so far. So like everybody, everyone's
watching this case.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
And I have a question about yesterday in regards to
the tail light, about the Carrie Roberts, how she lied,
How you know there was only a.
Speaker 16 (29:48):
Crack and a little teeny piece of mission, but at
the end of the snowstorm, twelve inches later, all of
a sudden, forty or fifty pieces up here. Okay, okay,
that's the thing that will cause red in a boat.
Speaker 15 (30:01):
So during the first trial, if my memory is cracked,
she testified that there was a crack and a piece missing,
and then yesterday she testified that there was a piece
missing in the middle.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So I don't know that they're super inconsistent.
Speaker 15 (30:14):
Obviously, there were a number of pieces of tailight found
at the scene. Presumably that's the arguably what they're trying
to say, that piece was broken into smaller pieces, the
one that they see missing.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
The part is that when they did the first, the
first sweep of the area, it was the beginning of
the snowstorm, and they didn't find all those pieces or
his shoe and then you know, at the end of
the day, after everyone did what they did, all of
a sudden, twelve inches are on the ground and now
they find all the pieces, right, I mean, I.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
Think ultimately it comes down to, you know, one thing
that they definitely should have done right off the bat,
and this is one of the things they talked about
and they can't nodded, is that they didn't They attempted
to secure the scene at first. There was video of
them trying to put up you know, crime scene tape
and it was so windy that they couldn't put up
down her a tent. And what they should have done
is basically, you know, put a cruiser there until the
(31:02):
search team got there. I think it was full forty
five they arrived, which they didn't. And so that's basically
an argument that the defense gets to make to the jury.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Then, Okay, because there was you.
Speaker 15 (31:10):
Know, this time lapse in between, that's substandard, not normal
police investigation, so you can take that into consideration.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay, thank you very much for the call. Appreciate the
kind words too. Let's go to Dina in PBDY. Dinas,
you have a question for Catherine Hi.
Speaker 12 (31:24):
Katherine in High Morning Team Catherine, I was. I was
really invested and watched a lot of the first trial.
Since then, you know, I haven't been watching like every day,
but I did watch the HBOS special, you know, the
body and the Body in the night or whatever it was.
(31:45):
In the she said, like in the first scene, this
is my story, this is my testimony. And then like
later on she was she says, I'm done, Morning John,
I I've launched him. This is all about me.
Speaker 17 (32:02):
Can they I just.
Speaker 12 (32:03):
Found her very cold? Can they use that since she said,
this is my testimony, this is my story, can they
use that any scenes from HBO documentary the prosecution?
Speaker 15 (32:15):
They can, and they have already they used. One of
the first steam that they used was from Nightline. The
second statement they used was from the HBO documentary. You know,
I think it's a good reminder people hear a lot
anything you say cannon will be used. So they forget
that will pot you know that when you're being charged,
particularly as a criminal defendant with serious charges, if you speak,
(32:37):
the commwealth is not only going to get that, you know,
footage and statements, but they will use it against you.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
So why do the interviews it's very question.
Speaker 15 (32:45):
So the HBO documentary was filmed while the first trial
was going on, and there was such exclusive access. I
really believed that they thought they were sure she was
going to be found not guilty and so it was
never going to have any consequence in court. Clearly that
was a mis step because now there's I think there
was four hundred hours of unedited footage and the piece
that Attorney Brennan played for the Commonwealth was one of
(33:08):
the pieces we didn't see. So not only can they
play what was on HBO, they can play all of
the testimony, non testimony, the statements that she made. And
the producer of the series actually gave an interview and
said that they kept out some things that you know
the team are. Alan Jackson said like, don't include that,
and they kept it out of the documentary. So I
(33:28):
think there's probably some stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Let's go to Michelle and Georgechester. Michelle, you have a
question for Catherine, Yes, good morning.
Speaker 17 (33:35):
I want to know, especially yesterday when Attorney Jackson caught
Carrie in a lie and she admitted it and then
tried to cover it. BEV saved her instead of at
what point are they going to start prosecuting these people
for perjuring themselves. They did it so much in the
last try to especially Higgins. All of a sudden BEV said,
(33:55):
you know, let's go get your lawyer. Like the judge
knows that they are during themselves and nothing's being done.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, I didn't like that the judge let Kerry Roberts
off the hook the way she did.
Speaker 15 (34:06):
Well, So it's not I know people might not like this,
but it's not perjury. So what perjury perjury is very
the word is loosely thrown around. It's not just something
that's false. It has to be false and knowingly falsely presented.
So when you're under oath, you have to know that
what I'm saying is a lie, and I'm going to
tell the lie.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Anyway. If you say something that ends up being false.
Speaker 15 (34:27):
Or you know, you heard it and you believe it
to be true, that's not perjury. And so she's not
going to be charged with perjury. And because it couldn't
be proved, you know, the issue with it is clearly
she was caught in, you know, making it incorrect statement
to the grand jury. Ultimately, I wonder whether it really
goes to the reliability of carry or not. I think
(34:47):
overwhelmingly she comes across as pretty reliable. She's not connected
previously to any of these people, so she doesn't have
an incentive to lie on the front end. It's going
to come down to whether clearly Jen McCabe told her.
You know, Karen told me to google hypothermia in the
car right, And so the question is do you believe
jemmacabe and the celebrate and the data or do you
believe the defense and Richard Green that happened at two
(35:09):
thirty See.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
This is why you're a lawyer and where not? Justin
t Morning.
Speaker 16 (35:13):
Crew, it's Lisa from bringing three Flash downflover and up.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
How are you so, Catherine, can you please ask her
who's on the witness list?
Speaker 16 (35:22):
Like, is Jen McCabe and.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
The you know Albert guy, are they all on the
witness list?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Do we know that?
Speaker 15 (35:29):
Yes, there's one hundred and fifty witnesses on the list
that's combined between the Defense and the Commonwealth. Not all
of those witnesses are going to be called those It's
really a game time decision. You have to put everybody
on in order to put the other party on notice.
So anybody that the or the defense could potentially call
will be on the list, but then they decide as
they go as the evidence.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Development, Well we hear from those two accident reconstructionists again,
yes we will.
Speaker 15 (35:53):
So this has been up in the air because there's
been a lot of question about discovery being turned over,
what wasn't the to the relationship following trial one with
the defense and OKRA and so we actually have a
void coming up on Monday relative to that. But ultimately,
I do think they're going to testify. You know, I
think it might be a little bit different this time around,
given that we have this new information, you know, relative
(36:16):
to whether there was conversations or you know, any if
they're going to do additional testing, But I do think
they will testify.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I love that Word's not.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Really a question about the trial, but I just want
to know if she thinks that Karen Reid has the
most annoying voice in the entire world.
Speaker 17 (36:36):
I don't know if you can answer this, but I
would love to know if she thinks that, because a
lot of people do, including me.
Speaker 15 (36:43):
Well, I'll give Karen a break because I get that
a lot too, you know, with my with my boss
and acts, and I get a lot of pushback. So no,
she sounds okay to me. I mean, I think her
facial expressions and things. You know, there's a lot of
things that she has to be aware of that the
jury and you know, people observing the cases of watching.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
But you know, all right, we've had Catherine Loftus, let's
face it, the Karen Reid trial heating up again. Thank
you so much for coming in again after taking everybody's questions,
and uh, okay, we'll see you next Thursday. Yeah, next
Oh good,
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