February 12, 2024 • 29 mins
Take-off on a whirlwind of nostalgia and insider tales with Episode 51 of The Caped Wonder Superman Podcast! Jay Towers & Jim Bowers sit down with Chris Richardson, who takes us on a journey behind the scenes of cinematic magic. From the breathtaking landscapes of Krypton and the Fortress of Solitude to ensuring Christopher Reeve soared as the iconic Man of Steel, Chris's experiences as a Pinewood Studios apprentice are simply awe-inspiring. But that's not all! Join Jay & Jim as they share their exhilarating DC debut in Superman '78: The Metal Curtain. Brace yourselves for an epic lineup at the Hall of Heroes Con, featuring the menacing Ursa, the formidable Non, and the unforgettable Nuclear Man. And mark your calendars for Superman in Concert as the Caped Wonder Team heads to California and prepares to serenade fans with symphonic superhero bliss.With excitement buzzing in the air, Jay & Jim are back and feeling "swell" about what promises to be another SUPER year of adventures and revelations.
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On today's Cape Wonder Superman Podcast,It's a brand new year and we have
plenty to celebrate. Superman seventy eight, the metal Curtain is still going strong,
plus Superman in concert, and weget the inside scoop from a Pinewood
Studio's Apprentice. Now the Cape WonderSuperman Podcast with Jay Cowers and Jim Bowers
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on Iineheart Radio. Hello again,and welcome to the Cape Wonder Superman Podcast
in Detroit. I'm Jay Towers andjust outside of Las Vegas, the founder
and editor of Capewonder dot Com.The great Jim Bowers. Jim, Hello
to you. Helloj, how isDetroit? Detroit is good. We're here.
We're celebrating a brand new year.We got a lot to talk about.
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Oh boy, we sure do.And I can't believe it's February already.
You know, forty two years ago, Jay, we had the very
exciting experience of ABC Television premiering theextended cut of Superman the Movie. And
I don't know about you, butI was in Kyle at the time,
no VCR and I'm in the studentlounge with my friends in these big overstuffed
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chairs with this little tiny TV,not realizing what we were about to experience.
So that's such a fantastic memory forme, and the fans are always
talking about that experience of seeing itand not having a VCR but like having
an audio tape deck taping the soundjust so they could play it back,
even with the commercials. So that'sa real highlight for so many Christopher Eves
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Superman movie fans. Listen at thattime, maybe you saw it in the
movie theater, or if you werelucky enough to have a VCR, you
got to rent it. But thiswas the first time for many that they
saw Superman the movie, and itwas a two night spectacular, so you
had a big cliphanger on night one, right right February seventh and eighth of
nineteen eighty two. And little didwe know, and we didn't know even
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from the preview. Remember the previewon TV advertising it did not show any
extended scenes, so they that realhush hush, there we are watching it
and all of these new scenes popup and then the cliffhanger of Lois falling
from the helicopter is frozen. Yeah, of course we couldn't wait to get
back into it on Monday. Butwhat an exciting television experience that was,
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and thankfully now fans can see aversion of that that looked spectacular. Right,
Warner Archive did a marvelous job,and I keep hearing from fans who
are just so hungry for the Supermantwo and Superman three extended cut. Now.
I've talked with Warner Archive on thephone about this a few years ago,
right after Superman the movie came out, and they've said they want to
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release it, but we're still waiting. So a lot has changed over there
at Warner Brothers. It's now WarnerBrothers Discovery. A lot of the employees
have changed at Warner Archives, sowe'll keep talking to them about it and
see what happens. But wouldn't thatbe amazing to add those to our collection
in widescreen? Well, we gota lot of exciting things to look forward
to here in twenty twenty four,starting with Superman seven eight, the Metal
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Curtain thanks to Robert Vendidi and GavinGidrey, the amazing cameos. We were
really excited about this. We knewthis was happening last year. You know,
to physically hold this comic book,this issue number four and see a
guy that looks like Jim Bowers anda guy that looks like me doing the
news on television. Is really reallyspecial, and we're in the first couple
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of pages and we are so luckythat we own the original panels. Gavin
has been amazingly generous. You canbuy many of them on his website right
now, and they're selling out reallyreally quickly. So as each issue comes
out, he'll offer the panels orselect panels for sale. If you're not
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on X or Twitter, he's veryactive on there and that's where he'll announce
when those are available, so checkthat out. He's just a really,
really nice guy. Our friends BradDay and Andrew Day actually met him in
Louisiana at a con and they saidhe was just such a generous, kind
person, so grateful for this opportunityto share this incredible comic book series,
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and I really hope they do aseries three. J From talking with Robert,
it sounds like DC's really happy withhow all of this has turned out.
Yeah, it's great to have nostalgialike this. It's great to have
this version of Superman and support thisDC team that's keeping Superman seventy eight alive.
If you get on a Big TimeCollectible's website, or if you go
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to your local comic book shop.And I really do support visiting your local
shops and purchasing from them whenever youcan. But if you can't do that,
Big Time's a great resource. Butthere are so many incredible variant covers
coming out, and I just lookedat issue five's variant covers. There's one
of Clark chasing the train and there'sone of Clark Kent revealing the s and
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his chest, much like what wesee in Superman the movie. The variants
are definitely worth picking up, butthey are harder to obtain and they're going
to be more expensive, but I'mglad they're doing that for every issue.
Let's talk a little bit about opportunitiesto meet and greet some of your favorite
Superman stars. Hall of Heroes ComicCon happens March second through the third Northern
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Indiana Events Center. Never been tothis con before, but I've heard a
lot of great things about it.Sarah Douglas, Jack O'Halleran Mark Pillow will
be there. I know Dean Cainwill be there. That should be a
lot of fun. It's a twoday con. So it's a Saturday and
Sunday con and it's going to benice to get all your Superman friends together,
get one of those group pictures,and if you're in the Indiana area,
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what a great opportunity to say hito some of your super friends.
Right. And I've never been thereeither, but the Hall of Heroes facebook
page certainly is active and it looksgreat and they do a good job of
keeping you up to date. Soas always our good friends Sarah jack Mark,
they're always crowd pleasers and always lookforward to meeting you. So definitely,
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if you've got to make a littlebit of a drive, it's going
to be worth it. Prop StoreEntertainment Memorabilia Live Auction March twelfth through the
fourteenth in Los Angeles. This isthe Spring auction. It'll feature props from
the Christopher Reeves Superman films and I'mpretty sure all for Superman films, so
there'll be different items to bid on. Jim and I have seen some of
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these items. We can't talk aboutthem just yet, but when we can,
I will tell you that. Listen, these are great things. Things
you've seen on screen, you know, documents, photos, so some pretty
good stuff. This year, right, And you know I'm a great,
big Bob Peak fan. Of course, I've always got Bob Peak art somewhere
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in my photographs or videos or podcastvideos. Bob Peak's original art is among
the collectibles being offered at this auction, and that doesn't happen very often,
so you're definitely going to want toget that catalog and check all of that
out. Shortly after that big auctionin Los ant Angelus, we will be
in Los Angeles for Superman and Concertat the Walt Disney Concert Hall. This
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is happening on March fifteenth, andwhat a great celebration of John Williams,
who just had a birthday right ninetytwo years old. And my understanding is
that he's changed his mind, Jayabout retiring, so we have more film
scores to look forward to from theMaestro himself. I can't wait. He's
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just I think he recently won aGrammy for his work in the latest for
the latest Indiana Jones film, andboy, he's got some energy, I
tell you what. I hope I'mgoing that strong at ninety two. But
this is really exciting, Jay.I've never been to the Walt Disney Concert
Hall. Our good friend. Filmscore producer Mike Medicino has talked about how
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wonderful this place is that it rivalsthe Royal Albert Hall in London. I've
even spoken with a good friend herelocally who's been there a few times,
and he says that we're going tobe blown away and in a major way.
So I'm really really excited about this. Of course, it's the La
Philharmonic and the conductor is Thomas Wilkinsof the Hollywood Bowl Orchestra, so we've
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got some great seats. If youhave bought tickets, expect to be able
to get a barcode to download startingMarch first, so you're going to want
to log into the website if youhave bought tickets and double check that.
But that's the latest as far asgetting your tickets in your hands. You
may not have to print them out, just bring your bar code. That's
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usually how it works these days.But really exciting. I can't wait.
I've got a five hour drive andyou're going to be flying into town,
Jay, so can't wait to seeyou again. Hey, this is the
way to hang out right, Ohman, I can't wait. I've never
I've only been to one movie concert, and that was The Empire Strikes Back
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right here in Las Vegas, andit was a wow, mind blowing experience.
The orchestra was so perfect. Well, it's going to be fantastic.
I can't wait and looking forward tobeing in LA for a couple of days.
It'll be a great time. Let'stalk about our special guest today,
Jim. This is a guy whoactually lives in the Metro Detroit area but
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worked at Pinewood Studios in nineteen seventyseven. I think he worked there a
little before that. We'll ask himall these questions. But his name is
Chris Richardson right. He's from theUK, and you know, I don't
know how old he was when hestarted out, but he apparently answered an
advertisement to become an apprentice at PinewoodStudios. Can you imagine Jay being there
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during that period of filmmaking, withall of the amazing movies being made,
The Spy Who Loved Me, allof these other James Bond movies, Superman.
It's just I can't even imagine allthese and of course Superman is we
know they took up most of PinewoodStudios. I mean they had all the
stages they had the Double seven soundstage where we know the Fortress of Solitude
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exterior was built, and they hadvarious structures built outside next to it,
like the Daily Planet building where thehelicopter was falling. So I just try
to imagine myself just walking around thelot, even if I was just an
errand boy. Chris Richardson, it'sso nice to have you on with us
on the Cape Twonder Superman podcast.We've heard a lot about you over the
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years, and we're excited to finallytalk to you. I mean, you
are a guy that worked on theSuperman films, and every time we do
one of these interviews, we learnednew things we didn't know before. That's
nice to be here. Thank youfor us giving me. I'm just excited
to talk to you about not onlySuperman, but James Bond, Star Wars,
all these films that you say youworked on as an young apprentice.
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Well, I was back in nineteenseventy three when I first thought, as
I say, it was advertised inthe newspaper, so they contacted me and
I went for an interview. Therewas thirty thirty one other I think it
was thirty one other guys that werein interviewing for the same thing. They
interviewed me for it with the Uniontoo, because your partner that key sure,
and I got it and they said, okay, you've got one of
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the positions. So how they doit is every year there would be four
apprentices coming in and then next yearyou'd be a second year, then the
third year, and fourth and fifthyear. The first one I worked on
as far as the movie was Rollerball. Pinewood's what they call a four wall
studio. What it meant was allyour trades were there inside this studio.
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There was plasters, carpenters, electricians, painters, so everything. And when
a picture come into Pinewood, ifthey only needed four plasters for the day,
that's where you went. If theyneeded six, they'd six. And
then there would be other things goingon. There would be like the Bond
would be there, or commercials.There was all kinds of different things.
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How did you hear about the Supermanfilm coming? It came through the grapevine?
Yeah, you know, it comesthrough all of a sudden, it
filled us down. Hey Superman's comein here. Then things start moving,
The drawings come down, the artdeparmtent sends everything down. And then when
that goes. But when they builtthat big stage out there that was for
that was when the planet Krypton gotdestroyed. They needed close ups on it.
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It looked like the rocks and stuff. You looked like the Fortress of
Solitude. No, that was thesecond set. Okay. I remember making
big plaster crystals in the shop andwhat we do We put wires into them
and they would draw holes into theback. You could have your basis of
crystals yea lined up inside the pitand then you would attach these crystals with
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wires inside. So when it startedto fall apart, all these crystals would
come off, so it would allbreak away. I mean, you don't
see a ton of it when theactual movie comes along, but when they
did it, it was kind ofcool because the special effects would start dropping
things off. That's what the wireswere for. I mean, we didn't
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see a lot of that because beingset construction, you're moving on to something
else, so you're in another stageand everything and then all the actors come
in and the lights and the dressand they dress everything up. So that
was the first one. Well,when that set was done, it's all
cleared out and then of course Thenext one that came in was a Fortress
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of Solitude, and they filled thetank with water and then they put all
the ice flows and everything in there. But that was the double oh seven
sound stage with the submarines. Thatwas the Spile of of Me. That's
the Spile of Me. That's whocame in there. That I wasn't actually
on that set, but I remembermaking all the machine guns. You remember
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all the machine guns that they usedin the final scene. Sure, oh
yeah, seven went in there afterSuperman, right, So they flooded that
that set a number of times fordifferent movies. Yes, really a lot
of water for the Fortress of Solitudeexterior and being able to move around.
My understanding is there was a lotof styrofoam. Yes, there was even
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in Star Wars. When we didStar Wars too, the same same thing.
They had these great big blocks.We cut the styrophoone with these hot
wires, cut it through and thenslice it up and set it up on
like like it's an ice flow,and then you come around with hot wax.
You melt the wax and that hotwax is fired through a gun and
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then they put cold water. Freezingcold water comes out of another nozzle or
another gun, and as the hotwax hits the styrofoaone, it looks like
frost. Wow. They they justkeep building it up and it looks like
frost. Well, they did thesame thing in Star Wars the Empire strikes
Bank. We cut all the irophoamand it looks like laser cuts. Wow.
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So as you as they're in thetear, when Solo and Layers all
in there and the Walkers are comingin, everything's falling apart. If you
look at the wall, you cankind of see wax build up on the
sun side. It's quite clever,really. Yeah. Well, and there's
so much great behind the scenes footageand all the documentaries when it comes to
the Superman films, especially for theFortress and for Krypton. But as you
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just watched the regular film, areyou able to pinpoint things that you really
remember? Oh? Definitely remember thecrystal that he threw Yeah, well that
was green, right, yes?Right? We made the crystals, the
memory crystals where he gets taught everything. Yeah, although they're all like fiberglass
like clear resins. Back then,we used to have problems with air,
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little air pockets coming in. Wedid so many of those crystals, and
then when you put it in,because it's fiberglass, it doesn't make that
glass noise, right, They editedlit the glass noise into it. Afterwards.
You can hear that when when Joelhas one of his controllers in his
laboratory make the green crystal come outand he grabs it and it goes dink
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like glass. We note that,remember some of the Kung Fu movies.
Into the Dragon, all the soundeffects and every same thing. Yeah,
oh yeah, I love it.Did you have a favorite set? I
think I know which one it is, Lex Loop's Layer, Lex Luthor's Layer
exactly. It was just an allplaster set, and then I worked on
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all the balustrades. You see thebalustrades all around it. You see where
they're all broken off. You goaround with a plaster and you put a
lot of ameculi in the plaster andthen you just you blob this on top
of it. It looks like concrete. When you're done, you can't tell
you and you see it for amatter of minutes, so if you don't
look at it, which you don't. But then I put all that I
made him. When we put allthe balustrades in and then go around and
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make it look good, you know, and then the brick well there wars
we did in there weren't plaster.They were all these we call them brick
sheets. That's what it does.It makes it look like a wall.
So and it's done quick. AndI'll tell you Another set I enjoyed doing
was the Golden gate Bridge full scale, full scales and also you filmed at
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an airfield my under Yes, yes, we did it in an airfield.
We did these big tubes, allthese different sized tubes, and then we
put fiberglass around them to look likecables. The cable stays right, so
we went, we'll go out thereand the riggers would put them all in
and it looked like the real bridgeand it was all red, the roadway
on. It was only about threeor four feet off the ground. Did
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you work on any of the DailyPlanet sets? Yeah, the Daily Planet
We worked on that one, butthat was a lot of fiberglass stuff on
there. So well, a lotof the cartmenters did that because it was
pretty basic, so there wasn't toomany plasters on it, but we did
a lot of the glass, theplate glass when it gets broken and stuff.
We did a lot of that becausewe did the sugar glass what they
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call. Yeah, we did allthat. That's kind of interesting. That's
fun. It's it's this resin theyput out and they have a piece of
mel and it pulls out really hot, and as it cools down and they
tear it up, if you putacetone over it, it makes it turns
it clear. Yeah, it looksjust like glass. You can often you
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can often see it in films becauseyou'll see in one shot it looks like
normal glass, and right before theybreak it, you know that they've switched
it out and it looks just alittle bit different, and you see they
go right through it. Usually.Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used
to have a lot of fun bottlesand stuff like it. We used to
do all that. That was goodfun. So when the villains invade the
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Daily Planet and Superman too, Iguess they were making use of that that
resin glass. Yeah, we makesheets of this stuff. It's probably the
last thing they did before they brokeit all up. Right. That's the
most disappointing thing about working in thefilm industry is you can make these fantastic
sets and you just you look atthem and you go wow, and then
the next minute it's all gone.It's playing in the it's out in the
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back lock being destroyed. Well,for listeners of our podcast, you can't
see what I'm holding up to thecamera here for Chris, but there you
go. There it is here.This is one of the crystals from the
Fortress of Solitude. You can seesome uh right here right yeah, it
has scratches almost along the side here. Yeah, there you go, and
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it's one of those I made.You know what it may have been.
It really mean, it's in reallygreat shape. It's actually in a glass
case upstairs. I just took itout. I think the Fortress and Krypton
Chris are the two sets that fansoften talk about wishing they owned a piece
of it, whether it's a crystalor it's a one of a styrofoam block.
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So you need to know, Jim, if I knew now what I
didn't know then, I mean,you know it is taken a load of
it out of there. I meanback then it was pretty easy to get
stuff out if you wanted to.But when I had my contract, of
course, everything was like you gotto keep quiet. You can't be telling
anybody about what you're doing. AndI have so much respect for for you
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guys that had to make it forreal in movies like this where there's so
much, so many explosions and adventure, and I'm always in awe of what
you folks could do. Oh yeah, yeah, all without computers. I'll
tell you one thing I enjoyed doing. I'm surprised you haven't asked I met
Chris Reed. Oh well, we'vegot to hear about that, because I
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understand that you. Uh, hespent quite a bit of time with you
doing something we had. We hadthe body cast him. All the apprentices
at one time had to do thisbecause you have to learn how to do
it down in the future you mightbe the head of department or something.
Don Taylor his name was. Hesaid, Okay, we're going up,
but we got a body cast todo. I said okay, so I
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with him. So we ended upgoing and in walks Christopher Reed and he's
got this black body stocking on.Real nice guy, I mean, so
nice, chit chat's away with Ernie'sreally interested, and you had to stand
he had to stand there holding thislike a gymnast, like he's just holding
a bar above his head. Wehad to take a body on one side,
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put a a shell on him onone side, and then we had
to do it on the back sideof him too. He stands there with
this plaster shell on him and thenyou break it away in two hours.
Well, then he goes away andthen we go back to the shop with
it. You make a body ofhim in plaster from that, and then
we had to make a real thinfiberglass case on the back of him.
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Well, that helps him fly.And as he's standing there, the art
director or the art department, allthe special effects are standing there and they're
telling you how they want him tostand. They make a bayonet that goes
on the side of this thing,like a locking mechanism. They lock it
onto the boom. Then they lifthim up and he can fly. He
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can hold his pose for a longtime. He's on a poll basically right
yeah, right through the screen.So that was that was that was fun
doing that, And of course Igot to meet when I got married came
to America. One of the firstthings my wife wanted to go see was
the one up there on Macinare Island, somewhere in time. And of course
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you know there was that was great, but it was so nice meeting the
guy. It really was. Andthere was a few times we sneak in
at lunchtime and go up into thegantries and you could look down on what
was going in, but there neverseemed to be any action going. It
always seemed to be a lot ofstanding around, nothing actually happening. So
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of course then we'd have to goback to work. So when I got
to be an apprentice, and Iwas so lucky because I think that was
the golden time. No we havePinewood. I mean you think of all
the movies that went in. Therewas five Bonds when in there, and
Moonraker was the last one I workedon. That's how I met my wife,
Linda, and that's why I'm here. You know. We went out
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to Paris and we worked on MoonAcher out there and then we met.
I met her there, So itwas a good time in my life.
I really enjoyed it. When youcame into Pinewood, you came up this
roadway and you go through security.All the stages were they were in a
line. There was ab CD andthen there would be another road behind that
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and it was all connected and thenthere was other stages all round Pinewood,
and it was quite a way toget to the Superman stage. It was
a long ways out. So,I mean Pinewood's huge. You know the
ship, the starship that he cameto earth on, it was a baby
they put him into that. Iremember the modelers doing that. It would
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be in the model depart and thatwas in the plaster shop. We were
all connected to the modelers. Greatsculptors, they really were. This thing
would coming out of there. Isaid, what the heck is that?
And I said, oh, that'sthe done. It was a stone ship,
wasn't it. And we would cutall the steaks off and mold them
so we could put them on laterand stuff. Yeah, I remember this
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thing coming out. Yeah, itwas big. Chris. I just wanted
to mention to our podcast listeners beforeyou go that. You know, I'm
here in Detroit and Jim, Jimhas been here many times to visit.
But you have done a lot ofstuff after your time at Pinewood and overseas,
and you came here here to Michigan. Uh, You've been a part
of a lot of big projects inour city. I've done a lot.
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I've done a lot of buildings aroundhere, a lot. I mean,
they did the Detroit Opera House,of course, Wayne County Building. I've
worked there, Meadowbrook, fair Lane, Cranbrook, the Michigan State Capital,
that was a big one. Wow. We went in when they completely redid
that. A few years back.I was out there for that edgel Ford
mansion and Gross Point did a lotthere, the Bay City Hall when it
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burned down. We went up thereand did that Detroit Athletic Club. I
mean, I've touched a lot ofstuff in this town, a lot of
stuff. Chris, thank you,thank you so much for this today.
Really okay, thank you very much. I enjoyed it. Fantastic Chris,
Well, nice talking to you.Thank you. Aren't we lucky that these
set photographers so well documented these films. We need to think our good friend
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Frank Berman. Now we've met Franka couple of times at our reunions and
he reached out to me last yearabout Chris. So thank you for that,
Frank. That's fantastic, And wewant to continue to find great people
like Chris who were uncredited, completelyuncredited in these movies that definitely deserve some
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recognition. Up next, us.Jim will be a mini video podcast which
you'll be able to watch and thatwill be a little reveal of some of
the Prop Store auction Superman items thatputting together for us. You can look
for that here. Actually, justin a couple of days we'll have that,
so we're looking forward to do thatpreview. Stephen Lane and the crew
over a Prop Store always nice togive us that first look of Superman items
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and it's great because we usually getsome great stories with those as well.
We really do. And he doesa beautiful job setting up his studio for
each genre. He'll set up aStar Wars, he'll set up a Superman.
It's great to watch all of those, and if you've not watched our
previous or earlier Prop Store preview videos, definitely do that. They're on Caped
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Wonder. They're still on the CapedWonder Superman podcast Facebook page, and we
really appreciate all of the effort andtime they put into this to really get
everyone excited. I mean, theyare definitely great at presentation, no doubt
about that. And Jay, I'malways going to be blown away where they
find these items just incredible. Youthink, oh, they won't top it.
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There's more. There's one other thingthat I think everyone is really looking
forward to Jay is Superman the ChristopherReeves story. Yeah, and I love
the title super slash Man, talkingabout the Superman character that he portrayed and
the man himself who overcame so manyobstacles and has done so much for disability
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and spinal cord research. We don'tknow yet when this documentary, which is
just over one hundred minutes, willbe available, whether it's going to be
theatrical first or go direct to possiblyHBO, Max or Max as it's known
today, since Warner Brothers has acquiredthe distribution rights. But people I've spoken
with who have seen it said youneed to get your clean Xbox out.
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It's really beautifully done. And ofcourse his kids were in full support.
We're going to see a lot ofhome movie footage. I've been talking with
the directors for a number of monthsabout it, and they're two really swell
guys, really passed people. SoI'm very happy for them that it went
so well at Sundance Film Festival andnow Warner is going to distribute it.
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Yeah, they've worked so hard onit, and boy, it's just going
to be fantastic, the buzz isgreat and looking forward to seeing it.
That's gonna wrap it up for us. We will see you again soon.
We thank you so much as alwaysfor listening to the Cape Wonder Superman Podcast.
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Jay Towers is a Detroit TV anchorand morning radio host on one hundred
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On today's Cape Wonder Superman Podcast,It's a brand new year and we have
plenty to celebrate. Superman seventy eight, the metal Curtain is still going strong,
plus Superman in concert, and weget the inside scoop from a Pinewood
Studio's Apprentice. Now the Cape WonderSuperman Podcast with Jay Cowers and Jim Bowers
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on Iineheart Radio. Hello again,and welcome to the Cape Wonder Superman Podcast
in Detroit. I'm Jay Towers andjust outside of Las Vegas, the founder
and editor of Capewonder dot Com.The great Jim Bowers. Jim, Hello
to you. Helloj, how isDetroit? Detroit is good. We're here.
We're celebrating a brand new year.We got a lot to talk about.
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Oh boy, we sure do.And I can't believe it's February already.
You know, forty two years ago, Jay, we had the very
exciting experience of ABC Television premiering theextended cut of Superman the Movie. And
I don't know about you, butI was in Kyle at the time,
no VCR and I'm in the studentlounge with my friends in these big overstuffed
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chairs with this little tiny TV,not realizing what we were about to experience.
So that's such a fantastic memory forme, and the fans are always
talking about that experience of seeing itand not having a VCR but like having
an audio tape deck taping the soundjust so they could play it back,
even with the commercials. So that'sa real highlight for so many Christopher Eves
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Superman movie fans. Listen at thattime, maybe you saw it in the
movie theater, or if you werelucky enough to have a VCR, you
got to rent it. But thiswas the first time for many that they
saw Superman the movie, and itwas a two night spectacular, so you
had a big cliphanger on night one, right right February seventh and eighth of
nineteen eighty two. And little didwe know, and we didn't know even
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from the preview. Remember the previewon TV advertising it did not show any
extended scenes, so they that realhush hush, there we are watching it
and all of these new scenes popup and then the cliffhanger of Lois falling
from the helicopter is frozen. Yeah, of course we couldn't wait to get
back into it on Monday. Butwhat an exciting television experience that was,
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and thankfully now fans can see aversion of that that looked spectacular. Right,
Warner Archive did a marvelous job,and I keep hearing from fans who
are just so hungry for the Supermantwo and Superman three extended cut. Now.
I've talked with Warner Archive on thephone about this a few years ago,
right after Superman the movie came out, and they've said they want to
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release it, but we're still waiting. So a lot has changed over there
at Warner Brothers. It's now WarnerBrothers Discovery. A lot of the employees
have changed at Warner Archives, sowe'll keep talking to them about it and
see what happens. But wouldn't thatbe amazing to add those to our collection
in widescreen? Well, we gota lot of exciting things to look forward
to here in twenty twenty four,starting with Superman seven eight, the Metal
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Curtain thanks to Robert Vendidi and GavinGidrey, the amazing cameos. We were
really excited about this. We knewthis was happening last year. You know,
to physically hold this comic book,this issue number four and see a
guy that looks like Jim Bowers anda guy that looks like me doing the
news on television. Is really reallyspecial, and we're in the first couple
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of pages and we are so luckythat we own the original panels. Gavin
has been amazingly generous. You canbuy many of them on his website right
now, and they're selling out reallyreally quickly. So as each issue comes
out, he'll offer the panels orselect panels for sale. If you're not
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on X or Twitter, he's veryactive on there and that's where he'll announce
when those are available, so checkthat out. He's just a really,
really nice guy. Our friends BradDay and Andrew Day actually met him in
Louisiana at a con and they saidhe was just such a generous, kind
person, so grateful for this opportunityto share this incredible comic book series,
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and I really hope they do aseries three. J From talking with Robert,
it sounds like DC's really happy withhow all of this has turned out.
Yeah, it's great to have nostalgialike this. It's great to have
this version of Superman and support thisDC team that's keeping Superman seventy eight alive.
If you get on a Big TimeCollectible's website, or if you go
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to your local comic book shop.And I really do support visiting your local
shops and purchasing from them whenever youcan. But if you can't do that,
Big Time's a great resource. Butthere are so many incredible variant covers
coming out, and I just lookedat issue five's variant covers. There's one
of Clark chasing the train and there'sone of Clark Kent revealing the s and
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his chest, much like what wesee in Superman the movie. The variants
are definitely worth picking up, butthey are harder to obtain and they're going
to be more expensive, but I'mglad they're doing that for every issue.
Let's talk a little bit about opportunitiesto meet and greet some of your favorite
Superman stars. Hall of Heroes ComicCon happens March second through the third Northern
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Indiana Events Center. Never been tothis con before, but I've heard a
lot of great things about it.Sarah Douglas, Jack O'Halleran Mark Pillow will
be there. I know Dean Cainwill be there. That should be a
lot of fun. It's a twoday con. So it's a Saturday and
Sunday con and it's going to benice to get all your Superman friends together,
get one of those group pictures,and if you're in the Indiana area,
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what a great opportunity to say hito some of your super friends.
Right. And I've never been thereeither, but the Hall of Heroes facebook
page certainly is active and it looksgreat and they do a good job of
keeping you up to date. Soas always our good friends Sarah jack Mark,
they're always crowd pleasers and always lookforward to meeting you. So definitely,
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if you've got to make a littlebit of a drive, it's going
to be worth it. Prop StoreEntertainment Memorabilia Live Auction March twelfth through the
fourteenth in Los Angeles. This isthe Spring auction. It'll feature props from
the Christopher Reeves Superman films and I'mpretty sure all for Superman films, so
there'll be different items to bid on. Jim and I have seen some of
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these items. We can't talk aboutthem just yet, but when we can,
I will tell you that. Listen, these are great things. Things
you've seen on screen, you know, documents, photos, so some pretty
good stuff. This year, right, And you know I'm a great,
big Bob Peak fan. Of course, I've always got Bob Peak art somewhere
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in my photographs or videos or podcastvideos. Bob Peak's original art is among
the collectibles being offered at this auction, and that doesn't happen very often,
so you're definitely going to want toget that catalog and check all of that
out. Shortly after that big auctionin Los ant Angelus, we will be
in Los Angeles for Superman and Concertat the Walt Disney Concert Hall. This
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is happening on March fifteenth, andwhat a great celebration of John Williams,
who just had a birthday right ninetytwo years old. And my understanding is
that he's changed his mind, Jayabout retiring, so we have more film
scores to look forward to from theMaestro himself. I can't wait. He's
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just I think he recently won aGrammy for his work in the latest for
the latest Indiana Jones film, andboy, he's got some energy, I
tell you what. I hope I'mgoing that strong at ninety two. But
this is really exciting, Jay.I've never been to the Walt Disney Concert
Hall. Our good friend. Filmscore producer Mike Medicino has talked about how
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wonderful this place is that it rivalsthe Royal Albert Hall in London. I've
even spoken with a good friend herelocally who's been there a few times,
and he says that we're going tobe blown away and in a major way.
So I'm really really excited about this. Of course, it's the La
Philharmonic and the conductor is Thomas Wilkinsof the Hollywood Bowl Orchestra, so we've
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got some great seats. If youhave bought tickets, expect to be able
to get a barcode to download startingMarch first, so you're going to want
to log into the website if youhave bought tickets and double check that.
But that's the latest as far asgetting your tickets in your hands. You
may not have to print them out, just bring your bar code. That's
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usually how it works these days.But really exciting. I can't wait.
I've got a five hour drive andyou're going to be flying into town,
Jay, so can't wait to seeyou again. Hey, this is the
way to hang out right, Ohman, I can't wait. I've never
I've only been to one movie concert, and that was The Empire Strikes Back
(09:00):
right here in Las Vegas, andit was a wow, mind blowing experience.
The orchestra was so perfect. Well, it's going to be fantastic.
I can't wait and looking forward tobeing in LA for a couple of days.
It'll be a great time. Let'stalk about our special guest today,
Jim. This is a guy whoactually lives in the Metro Detroit area but
(09:20):
worked at Pinewood Studios in nineteen seventyseven. I think he worked there a
little before that. We'll ask himall these questions. But his name is
Chris Richardson right. He's from theUK, and you know, I don't
know how old he was when hestarted out, but he apparently answered an
advertisement to become an apprentice at PinewoodStudios. Can you imagine Jay being there
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during that period of filmmaking, withall of the amazing movies being made,
The Spy Who Loved Me, allof these other James Bond movies, Superman.
It's just I can't even imagine allthese and of course Superman is we
know they took up most of PinewoodStudios. I mean they had all the
stages they had the Double seven soundstage where we know the Fortress of Solitude
(10:09):
exterior was built, and they hadvarious structures built outside next to it,
like the Daily Planet building where thehelicopter was falling. So I just try
to imagine myself just walking around thelot, even if I was just an
errand boy. Chris Richardson, it'sso nice to have you on with us
on the Cape Twonder Superman podcast.We've heard a lot about you over the
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years, and we're excited to finallytalk to you. I mean, you
are a guy that worked on theSuperman films, and every time we do
one of these interviews, we learnednew things we didn't know before. That's
nice to be here. Thank youfor us giving me. I'm just excited
to talk to you about not onlySuperman, but James Bond, Star Wars,
all these films that you say youworked on as an young apprentice.
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Well, I was back in nineteenseventy three when I first thought, as
I say, it was advertised inthe newspaper, so they contacted me and
I went for an interview. Therewas thirty thirty one other I think it
was thirty one other guys that werein interviewing for the same thing. They
interviewed me for it with the Uniontoo, because your partner that key sure,
and I got it and they said, okay, you've got one of
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the positions. So how they doit is every year there would be four
apprentices coming in and then next yearyou'd be a second year, then the
third year, and fourth and fifthyear. The first one I worked on
as far as the movie was Rollerball. Pinewood's what they call a four wall
studio. What it meant was allyour trades were there inside this studio.
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There was plasters, carpenters, electricians, painters, so everything. And when
a picture come into Pinewood, ifthey only needed four plasters for the day,
that's where you went. If theyneeded six, they'd six. And
then there would be other things goingon. There would be like the Bond
would be there, or commercials.There was all kinds of different things.
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How did you hear about the Supermanfilm coming? It came through the grapevine?
Yeah, you know, it comesthrough all of a sudden, it
filled us down. Hey Superman's comein here. Then things start moving,
The drawings come down, the artdeparmtent sends everything down. And then when
that goes. But when they builtthat big stage out there that was for
that was when the planet Krypton gotdestroyed. They needed close ups on it.
(12:28):
It looked like the rocks and stuff. You looked like the Fortress of
Solitude. No, that was thesecond set. Okay. I remember making
big plaster crystals in the shop andwhat we do We put wires into them
and they would draw holes into theback. You could have your basis of
crystals yea lined up inside the pitand then you would attach these crystals with
(12:50):
wires inside. So when it startedto fall apart, all these crystals would
come off, so it would allbreak away. I mean, you don't
see a ton of it when theactual movie comes along, but when they
did it, it was kind ofcool because the special effects would start dropping
things off. That's what the wireswere for. I mean, we didn't
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see a lot of that because beingset construction, you're moving on to something
else, so you're in another stageand everything and then all the actors come
in and the lights and the dressand they dress everything up. So that
was the first one. Well,when that set was done, it's all
cleared out and then of course Thenext one that came in was a Fortress
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of Solitude, and they filled thetank with water and then they put all
the ice flows and everything in there. But that was the double oh seven
sound stage with the submarines. Thatwas the Spile of of Me. That's
the Spile of Me. That's whocame in there. That I wasn't actually
on that set, but I remembermaking all the machine guns. You remember
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all the machine guns that they usedin the final scene. Sure, oh
yeah, seven went in there afterSuperman, right, So they flooded that
that set a number of times fordifferent movies. Yes, really a lot
of water for the Fortress of Solitudeexterior and being able to move around.
My understanding is there was a lotof styrofoam. Yes, there was even
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in Star Wars. When we didStar Wars too, the same same thing.
They had these great big blocks.We cut the styrophoone with these hot
wires, cut it through and thenslice it up and set it up on
like like it's an ice flow,and then you come around with hot wax.
You melt the wax and that hotwax is fired through a gun and
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then they put cold water. Freezingcold water comes out of another nozzle or
another gun, and as the hotwax hits the styrofoaone, it looks like
frost. Wow. They they justkeep building it up and it looks like
frost. Well, they did thesame thing in Star Wars the Empire strikes
Bank. We cut all the irophoamand it looks like laser cuts. Wow.
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So as you as they're in thetear, when Solo and Layers all
in there and the Walkers are comingin, everything's falling apart. If you
look at the wall, you cankind of see wax build up on the
sun side. It's quite clever,really. Yeah. Well, and there's
so much great behind the scenes footageand all the documentaries when it comes to
the Superman films, especially for theFortress and for Krypton. But as you
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just watched the regular film, areyou able to pinpoint things that you really
remember? Oh? Definitely remember thecrystal that he threw Yeah, well that
was green, right, yes?Right? We made the crystals, the
memory crystals where he gets taught everything. Yeah, although they're all like fiberglass
like clear resins. Back then,we used to have problems with air,
(15:48):
little air pockets coming in. Wedid so many of those crystals, and
then when you put it in,because it's fiberglass, it doesn't make that
glass noise, right, They editedlit the glass noise into it. Afterwards.
You can hear that when when Joelhas one of his controllers in his
laboratory make the green crystal come outand he grabs it and it goes dink
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like glass. We note that,remember some of the Kung Fu movies.
Into the Dragon, all the soundeffects and every same thing. Yeah,
oh yeah, I love it.Did you have a favorite set? I
think I know which one it is, Lex Loop's Layer, Lex Luthor's Layer
exactly. It was just an allplaster set, and then I worked on
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all the balustrades. You see thebalustrades all around it. You see where
they're all broken off. You goaround with a plaster and you put a
lot of ameculi in the plaster andthen you just you blob this on top
of it. It looks like concrete. When you're done, you can't tell
you and you see it for amatter of minutes, so if you don't
look at it, which you don't. But then I put all that I
made him. When we put allthe balustrades in and then go around and
(16:56):
make it look good, you know, and then the brick well there wars
we did in there weren't plaster.They were all these we call them brick
sheets. That's what it does.It makes it look like a wall.
So and it's done quick. AndI'll tell you Another set I enjoyed doing
was the Golden gate Bridge full scale, full scales and also you filmed at
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an airfield my under Yes, yes, we did it in an airfield.
We did these big tubes, allthese different sized tubes, and then we
put fiberglass around them to look likecables. The cable stays right, so
we went, we'll go out thereand the riggers would put them all in
and it looked like the real bridgeand it was all red, the roadway
on. It was only about threeor four feet off the ground. Did
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you work on any of the DailyPlanet sets? Yeah, the Daily Planet
We worked on that one, butthat was a lot of fiberglass stuff on
there. So well, a lotof the cartmenters did that because it was
pretty basic, so there wasn't toomany plasters on it, but we did
a lot of the glass, theplate glass when it gets broken and stuff.
We did a lot of that becausewe did the sugar glass what they
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call. Yeah, we did allthat. That's kind of interesting. That's
fun. It's it's this resin theyput out and they have a piece of
mel and it pulls out really hot, and as it cools down and they
tear it up, if you putacetone over it, it makes it turns
it clear. Yeah, it looksjust like glass. You can often you
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can often see it in films becauseyou'll see in one shot it looks like
normal glass, and right before theybreak it, you know that they've switched
it out and it looks just alittle bit different, and you see they
go right through it. Usually.Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used
to have a lot of fun bottlesand stuff like it. We used to
do all that. That was goodfun. So when the villains invade the
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Daily Planet and Superman too, Iguess they were making use of that that
resin glass. Yeah, we makesheets of this stuff. It's probably the
last thing they did before they brokeit all up. Right. That's the
most disappointing thing about working in thefilm industry is you can make these fantastic
sets and you just you look atthem and you go wow, and then
the next minute it's all gone.It's playing in the it's out in the
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back lock being destroyed. Well,for listeners of our podcast, you can't
see what I'm holding up to thecamera here for Chris, but there you
go. There it is here.This is one of the crystals from the
Fortress of Solitude. You can seesome uh right here right yeah, it
has scratches almost along the side here. Yeah, there you go, and
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it's one of those I made.You know what it may have been.
It really mean, it's in reallygreat shape. It's actually in a glass
case upstairs. I just took itout. I think the Fortress and Krypton
Chris are the two sets that fansoften talk about wishing they owned a piece
of it, whether it's a crystalor it's a one of a styrofoam block.
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So you need to know, Jim, if I knew now what I
didn't know then, I mean,you know it is taken a load of
it out of there. I meanback then it was pretty easy to get
stuff out if you wanted to.But when I had my contract, of
course, everything was like you gotto keep quiet. You can't be telling
anybody about what you're doing. AndI have so much respect for for you
(20:14):
guys that had to make it forreal in movies like this where there's so
much, so many explosions and adventure, and I'm always in awe of what
you folks could do. Oh yeah, yeah, all without computers. I'll
tell you one thing I enjoyed doing. I'm surprised you haven't asked I met
Chris Reed. Oh well, we'vegot to hear about that, because I
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understand that you. Uh, hespent quite a bit of time with you
doing something we had. We hadthe body cast him. All the apprentices
at one time had to do thisbecause you have to learn how to do
it down in the future you mightbe the head of department or something.
Don Taylor his name was. Hesaid, Okay, we're going up,
but we got a body cast todo. I said okay, so I
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with him. So we ended upgoing and in walks Christopher Reed and he's
got this black body stocking on.Real nice guy, I mean, so
nice, chit chat's away with Ernie'sreally interested, and you had to stand
he had to stand there holding thislike a gymnast, like he's just holding
a bar above his head. Wehad to take a body on one side,
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put a a shell on him onone side, and then we had
to do it on the back sideof him too. He stands there with
this plaster shell on him and thenyou break it away in two hours.
Well, then he goes away andthen we go back to the shop with
it. You make a body ofhim in plaster from that, and then
we had to make a real thinfiberglass case on the back of him.
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Well, that helps him fly.And as he's standing there, the art
director or the art department, allthe special effects are standing there and they're
telling you how they want him tostand. They make a bayonet that goes
on the side of this thing,like a locking mechanism. They lock it
onto the boom. Then they lifthim up and he can fly. He
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can hold his pose for a longtime. He's on a poll basically right
yeah, right through the screen.So that was that was that was fun
doing that, And of course Igot to meet when I got married came
to America. One of the firstthings my wife wanted to go see was
the one up there on Macinare Island, somewhere in time. And of course
(22:30):
you know there was that was great, but it was so nice meeting the
guy. It really was. Andthere was a few times we sneak in
at lunchtime and go up into thegantries and you could look down on what
was going in, but there neverseemed to be any action going. It
always seemed to be a lot ofstanding around, nothing actually happening. So
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of course then we'd have to goback to work. So when I got
to be an apprentice, and Iwas so lucky because I think that was
the golden time. No we havePinewood. I mean you think of all
the movies that went in. Therewas five Bonds when in there, and
Moonraker was the last one I workedon. That's how I met my wife,
Linda, and that's why I'm here. You know. We went out
(23:12):
to Paris and we worked on MoonAcher out there and then we met.
I met her there, So itwas a good time in my life.
I really enjoyed it. When youcame into Pinewood, you came up this
roadway and you go through security.All the stages were they were in a
line. There was ab CD andthen there would be another road behind that
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and it was all connected and thenthere was other stages all round Pinewood,
and it was quite a way toget to the Superman stage. It was
a long ways out. So,I mean Pinewood's huge. You know the
ship, the starship that he cameto earth on, it was a baby
they put him into that. Iremember the modelers doing that. It would
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be in the model depart and thatwas in the plaster shop. We were
all connected to the modelers. Greatsculptors, they really were. This thing
would coming out of there. Isaid, what the heck is that?
And I said, oh, that'sthe done. It was a stone ship,
wasn't it. And we would cutall the steaks off and mold them
so we could put them on laterand stuff. Yeah, I remember this
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thing coming out. Yeah, itwas big. Chris. I just wanted
to mention to our podcast listeners beforeyou go that. You know, I'm
here in Detroit and Jim, Jimhas been here many times to visit.
But you have done a lot ofstuff after your time at Pinewood and overseas,
and you came here here to Michigan. Uh, You've been a part
of a lot of big projects inour city. I've done a lot.
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I've done a lot of buildings aroundhere, a lot. I mean,
they did the Detroit Opera House,of course, Wayne County Building. I've
worked there, Meadowbrook, fair Lane, Cranbrook, the Michigan State Capital,
that was a big one. Wow. We went in when they completely redid
that. A few years back.I was out there for that edgel Ford
mansion and Gross Point did a lotthere, the Bay City Hall when it
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burned down. We went up thereand did that Detroit Athletic Club. I
mean, I've touched a lot ofstuff in this town, a lot of
stuff. Chris, thank you,thank you so much for this today.
Really okay, thank you very much. I enjoyed it. Fantastic Chris,
Well, nice talking to you.Thank you. Aren't we lucky that these
set photographers so well documented these films. We need to think our good friend
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Frank Berman. Now we've met Franka couple of times at our reunions and
he reached out to me last yearabout Chris. So thank you for that,
Frank. That's fantastic, And wewant to continue to find great people
like Chris who were uncredited, completelyuncredited in these movies that definitely deserve some
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recognition. Up next, us.Jim will be a mini video podcast which
you'll be able to watch and thatwill be a little reveal of some of
the Prop Store auction Superman items thatputting together for us. You can look
for that here. Actually, justin a couple of days we'll have that,
so we're looking forward to do thatpreview. Stephen Lane and the crew
over a Prop Store always nice togive us that first look of Superman items
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and it's great because we usually getsome great stories with those as well.
We really do. And he doesa beautiful job setting up his studio for
each genre. He'll set up aStar Wars, he'll set up a Superman.
It's great to watch all of those, and if you've not watched our
previous or earlier Prop Store preview videos, definitely do that. They're on Caped
(26:33):
Wonder. They're still on the CapedWonder Superman podcast Facebook page, and we
really appreciate all of the effort andtime they put into this to really get
everyone excited. I mean, theyare definitely great at presentation, no doubt
about that. And Jay, I'malways going to be blown away where they
find these items just incredible. Youthink, oh, they won't top it.
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There's more. There's one other thingthat I think everyone is really looking
forward to Jay is Superman the ChristopherReeves story. Yeah, and I love
the title super slash Man, talkingabout the Superman character that he portrayed and
the man himself who overcame so manyobstacles and has done so much for disability
(27:21):
and spinal cord research. We don'tknow yet when this documentary, which is
just over one hundred minutes, willbe available, whether it's going to be
theatrical first or go direct to possiblyHBO, Max or Max as it's known
today, since Warner Brothers has acquiredthe distribution rights. But people I've spoken
with who have seen it said youneed to get your clean Xbox out.
(27:44):
It's really beautifully done. And ofcourse his kids were in full support.
We're going to see a lot ofhome movie footage. I've been talking with
the directors for a number of monthsabout it, and they're two really swell
guys, really passed people. SoI'm very happy for them that it went
so well at Sundance Film Festival andnow Warner is going to distribute it.
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Yeah, they've worked so hard onit, and boy, it's just going
to be fantastic, the buzz isgreat and looking forward to seeing it.
That's gonna wrap it up for us. We will see you again soon.
We thank you so much as alwaysfor listening to the Cape Wonder Superman Podcast.
Don't forget to follow us on socialmedia, whether it's x or Instagram
or Facebook. We'd love to hearfrom you and Jim. As always,
stay super You've been listening to theCape Wunders Superman Podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
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Jay Towers is a Detroit TV anchorand morning radio host on one hundred
point three w NIC Detroit. FollowJay on Instagram and Twitter at Jay Towers.
Jim Bowers is the founder and editorof kapewonder dot com, the home
of caped Wonder Superman imagery. FollowJim on Instagram at Cape Wonder and on
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Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!