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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the We Don't Podcast, starring husband and wife
Mojo from Mojo in the Morning and his better half Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
On this episode coming up on this episode of the
We Don't Podcast, it's a big anniversary, Chelsea. Yeah, but
not an anniversary of us, oh, I cast.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It is an anniversary of us.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's an anniversary of a big move and a big
radio show. All right, we're going to talk about that
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Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, all right, all right, all right, without further delay,
here are Mojo and Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
When I say that we've celebrated twenty five years of
being on the radio in Detroit, that the Mojo in
the Morning show has been on there, I guess I
should do like a little background first. But when I
first mentioned twenty five years, does that seem like crazy
or what?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That's a lot of years.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah, it's just a lot of years.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I can't believe it. I actually went to historian Art Volo.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Do you remember Art at all?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Art is called radio's best friend, And I asked Art Volo.
This was actually two years ago. I said, Art, a
lot of people have said that there are records that
are about to be broken, and he told me that
one of the biggest ones was that I have surpassed
the record for the longest running morning show on the
same radio station.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
That's insane, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Which is pretty coo.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, it's very na the congratulation.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I appreciate that there have been us question radio is
a very big deal. Well, yes, because you get you
usually get fired and move a lot. Yeah. But yeah,
so twenty five years. We started on February twenty first,
back in two thousand. But it was also a big move,
not just for me radio wise and career wise, it
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was a big move for our family wise, right, And
I kind of want to focus a little bit on
that because I think that that's just as important, if
not more important than this whole thing. I remember when
we got the phone call to come to Detroit. It
was actually we were either going to go to Detroit
and work at WKQI, which at that time was known
(02:58):
as Q ninety five to five and played all kinds
of whimpy music. It was like Goo Goo Dolls, Train
and Savage Garden were like the songs and Celine Dion
I remember that, okay.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And then and which the station that I had.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Been working at in Arizona was like a like a
rap station, like a rap rhythmic kind of station. Okay,
So it was a lot younger and cooler and stuff.
So it was either come work here or it was
going to go work at a similar type of music
format station to what we were in Arizona. And that
was in Philadelphia in w ioq Q whatever the hell
(03:35):
it is one O two or something like that. And
you and I flew to town here and we got
to see what Detroit was all about. And it was cold,
it was snowy, and you and I didn't even have
any clothes for.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
That well when we flew in for the interview. But
it was the treatment they gave us was the royal treatment.
Picked us up in a really nice car. We stayed
at the Townsend Hotel, which was a very nice hotel
in downtown Birmingham, Michigan. They took us out for a
really nice dinner and it was only one night because
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the kids were so little, so I couldn't stay for
a long time or I didn't want to. So it
literally was in and out the reality hit when you
accepted the job, and because I remember it being cold
when we came in for the interview, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It was like pretty cold.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, it wasn't too bad, it was you know. And
again it was twenty four hours the reality of when
you accepted the job and then we you and I
came back. You had to do stuff with the radio station.
And then I went and looked at homes with a
real estate agent. There was a huge storm and they
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did not pick us up in a nice car. We
had to rent a car. Yeah, and then we drove
to apartment and we got in really late at night
and we had connecting flights and we just didn't have
time to eat. There were only candies in a dish
in that apartment, so there's no food. That is way
(05:14):
before DoorDash twenty five years ago. And again it was late,
so I remember, and then waking up the next morning,
you had to leave and go into the radio station.
There was snow everywhere. I'm this girl from Arizona, and
I thought, holy shit, Yeah, he really did just accept
the job and there's no you know, it's like welcome
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to Detroit.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It was.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I was so depressed immediately, I thought, oh, like, what
did we just sign up for?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I remember, I remember to go back to the
job interview. The job interview felt like it was something
out of I don't know, maybe a Christmas movie. Yeah,
you get picked up at the airport, you get driven
to this beautiful town that has Christmas lights all over.
It was snowing a little bit, and you and I
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checked into the hotel.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
In beautiful hotel. We had never stayed in a hotel
that nice.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh there was a bellman that was wearing like an
old fashioned uniform. They took us up to this room
that was like if you've, you know, ever wanted to
know what it was like to be the home alone kid, Kevin, Yeah,
that's what it felt like, you know, checking into the hotel,
and then we went to this great restaurant and then
The exact opposite of that was I remember Applebee's seriously
(06:35):
be in the place that we ate at after that,
which was probably more our speed.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Which whatever, Yeah, that's reality. But it was just you know,
you think it's gonna be one thing. You're like, oh
my gosh, he finally made it to the big market
and Detroit and then real I mean that, if nothing else,
that was a complete foreshadow of what was going to
be for a while.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh and it was very interesting time. And we'll get
into that obviously. We'll talk about, you know, moves for
your family, and I don't know if there are any
people that you know, listen to this thing that even
if they are accepting a new job or moving their
home or apartment, whatever it is. I mean, it is
a stressful thing for your family. And we've talked before
about that. But the other thing too was I remember
(07:20):
this show that I was on back in Arizona was
really successful, and at the time that we were leaving,
it was we were making a ton of noise. Yeah,
we had hired to be It was me and Betsy
and Jeff Dollar and Ryan Coda, and we had Gary
Coleman on our show and Gary Coleman, who was this
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child star from the show Different Strokes. He had been
arrested and we bailed him out of jail and they
hired him as a morning show remember, because he had
no money at the time, and we saw the new
story and it was it was like the most it
was like the perfect everything going on at the time.
It was your hometown. And I will never forget this.
(08:05):
I will never forget being offered this job and going
back to everybody in Arizona and saying, hey, you know,
got to offer this job. Tim Richards was our program
director back in Arizona. He accepted the job in Detroit,
so he was the one bringing you there.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, and nobody wanted to come with Do you remember that?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I do?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And it was like none of the show. Imagine if
our show right now that we have was offered a
job to go move to another city. And I walked
back in and everybody looked at me like, no, we're
staying here.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, Which is funny because didn't they eventually say they
wish that they would have come with you.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I don't know, you know, I think that there was Well,
Betsy probably not because she loved she loved Tucsons so
much Jeff Dollar maybe, although he did do well after
that he went to Atlanta. It would have been interesting
to see what it would have done, but it was
hard it actually, can I be honest with you. It
was my first growth moment in my career because I
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had a second.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Well, because when you say your first growth would have
been moving to Arizona.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, that was probably my first. Yeah, definitely, that was
a first because I was moving away from home.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It was my growth moment in understanding that it's that
I could put together a team. Yeah, because then we
ended up putting together what I thought was honestly one
of the greatest teams that had worked in radio with
you know, Spike and Sarah and Eric and Chad. It
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was so much fun, I mean to think about that.
And then over the years, we've always had different things
that have popped up, different changes that have happened on
the show, and I think that I think the move
to Detroit helped me with every move that has been
made on the show over the twenty five years, because
it made me kind of go okay, even though I
always panic, probably in the first six months.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Well, yeah, you're not one for change at all. So
when change does happen, you you're okay with it when
at first when the decision is vocalized, but then within hours, two,
a couple hours later, you're second guessing yourself constantly and
then wondering if it's right, or second guessing whoever is
making the decision. It's not always you making the decision,
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but then in you know, debating on what you should do,
if you can do you know, all of these things.
And then honestly, every change, even though some of them
have been you know, pretty earth shattering for your show,
I have always ended up being really great.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, you know, personally and professionally, I mean not just professionally.
They've actually worked you know, a lot, you know, and I've.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Brought new people in that have added so much to
you personally as well.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah. So we move here to to Detroit. It was
a time when our kids were very young. Joe was
what was he for it was, and Jacob was not
even two, and you moved away from your family, which
was so.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Tough, so hard. Yeah, it was really really hard.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And you and I and I at the time that
we moved, and I've said this to you numerous times
lately it seems like where I said, God, I am
shocked that you ever stayed with me because my only
focus in my life wasn't even my kids or you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It was work. That was all I focused on.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, And I feel like it's not until honestly, in
the last five years or so since having heard surgery,
that I started realizing how much I kind of dropped
the ball on on you and dropped the ball on
our boys. So it was weird because we've talked about it,
and I can't remember what episode of this podcast series
(11:56):
that we've done, but we talked about that. You know,
we almost got divorced within the first six months I mean,
or at least separated we did.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That was yeah, divorce number one.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, and moves are tough.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I mean, I, you know, twenty five years later to
look back, I mean even just how drastic that move
was to move from your hometown of Arizona to a
completely different city that both you and I have never
been to.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Climate wise, it was crazy. The kids were young.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah, well, and I had no support system, so which
a lot of women, do you know, there're single moms
that have no one helping them. But for me, I
had gone from having my mom who was literally over,
if not every day, every other day or twice a day. Yeah,
I just totally obsessed with the boys and so helpful.
Or I was at her house two and tons of
(12:52):
childhood friends. Yes, yes, and again my mom, my dad,
my grandfather, my aunts and uncles like it was just
always constantly surrounded by family and help. Then to nothing
and as far as you know, our relationship went, like
you said, you were focused, rightly so on your job
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and you had to create something from the ground up,
so you it wasn't like now where you can go
to work at you get up at three thirty, but
you're home by sometimes one thirty two ish in the afternoon,
and then you know, we can have some time whatever,
or when the kids or when Luke was at home,
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you could go do Luke Luke sports, sports and stuff
like that. Where it was you wouldn't come home until three, four,
five o'clock at night, and you were rightly so exhausted.
And then I was exhausted because I had these two
kids pent up in a house, didn't know even how
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to get to the grocery store, like it was my mom.
When we moved moved when the boys and I came
down here, my mom came down with me. And one
thing she did is she's like, okay, let's get in
the car. We're going to learn how to You're gonna
learn how to get to target. Okay, let's get in
the car. You're going to learn how to get to
a couple of grocery stores around here. Like she was
very which is I look back and think how amazing
(14:17):
that was. You know that she did that with me,
which seems so okay, you should just learn it on
your own. But again, I was a young mom my
first time away. So I was twenty four when we
moved here. Wow, so young mom had or twenty five
moved away from my family from the first time, which
I know sounds so silly, but literally, I went from
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my parents' house to our house, you know, like there
was no living on my own, There was no figuring
things out on my own. My mom basically she didn't
do everything for me, because she did not. I did
a lot on my own, but I knew where everything
was in Tucson, you know, I didn't have to have her.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And like you said, with no door dash at the yeah,
there was no there was nothing ways or Google maps
my quest.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
So we would. She made me print up, you know,
the directions on a piece of paper and she said,
you keep this in your car. And it was scary.
You know, I'm out here with two kids by myself.
I thought, oh my gosh, what if I get law.
I mean, it was just so silly. But of course
I figured it out and everything was fine, But I
remember it was scary at first.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
The radio station was in oak Park. It was just
off of six ninety six and ten Mile Road or
Greenfield I think it was Greenfield and ten Mile. And
I remember that back in Arizona, you would come visit
me with the kids fairly often, like at least at
least a couple of times a month or whatever. You
would just come by the radio station. And for months
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you would never come to the radio station because and
I didn't understand that, and that to me, I was like, hey,
once you come to the station. When you come to
the station, I didn't realize you not only were in
you know, a city that you did not know, but
you were also having to navigate from a town that
you had no idea where we were personally living then
to then get on a highway.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Go well, which I had to get on a highway
in Arizona go to your radio station. But there was,
but again I knew it there was. Do you remember
the first time you took me to the radio station?
So you had my mom and I follow you and
or we I'm sorry, we met you there and then
we followed you on the way home, and I'll never
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forget we were on the lodge and the way like,
and you are a horrible driver, I'm sorry, but was
I back then too horrible? You would not use a
turn signal to let me know you were getting into
a different lane, and you would just cut cars off
and get off on the exit at the last minute,
and I was just I remember telling my mom what
(16:53):
the fuck? Like, why does he drive like this? I
what if I get lost? What am I gonna do?
You know? And it's like it's okay. She's very calm
and it's okay, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And do you think your mom ever thought, why the
hell did my daughter marry this guy?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yes? Did she all the time?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Now, honestly, do you ever have that, because now that
we're at the age where our kids are in serious relationships,
did you do you think that they that your mom
and dad were over.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Like I think at first they were very concerned, you know,
because we were so young, but you know, they know
you're a good person.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But yeah, it's weird to think, you know. It's it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know, we've focused a lot twenty five years on
us personally, but this move twenty five years later to
know that we have gone through a lot marriage wise,
and I know that this podcast kind of focuses a
little bit more on our personal life and not so
much as much talking about the radio thing, but twenty
five years of a lot of shit that you've had
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to put up with. And then think of that, I
for what nine years before that I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Did mornings or eight years?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
What was I I was there for a long time
before in Arizona. And it's funny because last night you
and I had a conversation, and one of the conversations
was something that I thought about I should bring up
during the podcast, and that was how the narrative of
what I have said for so many years until the
last couple of years of us doing this podcast has
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always been my narrative and how much that has affected
you and I think and it made me really think
of and it was from a lot of things. I mean,
it could be the simplest story of us just telling
a story about us with the kids, and it could
be a story about me being very inappropriately talking about
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our intimacy or whatever in our relationship. And you said
to me last night as we're laying in bed, you said,
it's always been my story and it's never been our
story because my story has never been both of our sides.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, that's how it is, right, like you're it is.
When you tell a story, it's always from that person's
point of view. But it's I said to you. What
I said to you is that you'll never be able
to understand what it's like to have to be in
a relationship with somebody. That your my story is always
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said from your point of view and from how you're
explaining it to millions of people, not just to a
group of friends, which typically if I'm talking about something
that's happens between us and to either one friend or
a group of girls, when we're talking about you know,
marriage or whatever. That's so that's my narrative to let's
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just say one to four women, you are telling a
story and sometimes it's two to ten minutes. Whatever it
is your break is, and it is a story that
is reaching millions of people, and it's a hard which
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you know, people then feel that they know me as
a person. What they know is they know your version
of me. They don't know the real me because even
when I call or you call me again, it's a
couple of minutes to give that side. And they know
the side of me that is quick to give an answer,
(20:23):
sometimes ass wholeish, sometimes funny, sometimes whatever. Like, they don't
know me, and they don't know what I want to
give and what I don't want to give. There's it's
really hard because I don't know when it's when radio
shifted to start telling your personal life, because when we
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started dating, that was not radio, but I.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Also wasn't doing morning radio. Morning radio has always kind
of been personal. But it's definitely got more.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I feel it's been more and more and more and more.
Oh yeah, I met you now the way that it
is now, I never I would have said to you
you either pretend I'm somebody else or I will not
go forward with this because the amount of lack of
privacy that there is that has happened, or the amount
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of hurt that I've had because of something that I
don't think. I know that you don't set out intentionally.
That's not true. There have been some breaks that you
have set out intentionally to hurt me, but majority of
them you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But I.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
You just will never know my side of it, like
I won't know your side of it. I know that
you sit there and you're trying to think of topics
to do, and you want people to relate to it,
and it's very relationships are relatable. It's just not fair
to the other person all the time because I'm not
there to tell you stop, or I'm not there to say, okay,
you've crossed a line. And knowing what I know now
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and I don't know you know how that could change
going forward. But it is very difficult, and I stand
by what I said last night. You will never know
my side of it, just like I won't know your
side of it. But you will never know what it's
like to sit there in your car and have someone
tell a story about you, and then have listeners call
(22:24):
up and say she's such a bit, she's so mean,
she doesn't understand. Oh, poor Mojo, or you know, and
it's like, poor fucking let me tell you the backstory
to poor fucking Mojo. Give me a break, Like just
like I don't know what goes on in someone's home.
I'm not privy, Like when you hear your friends that
get divorced and you're like, oh my god, I just
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can't believe that you don't know the side of you
that living with you. That is a pain in the
ass that I have to you know, you're not perfect,
so it's like very difficult. But back to celebrate your
twenty teve years.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, I love this because honestly, this is to me.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I think this is the stuff that the listeners when
they talk about this podcast, they love to hear because
they want to hear. They want to hear that it's
wild because you brought up something that has made me
think of the others on the show, and especially the
people that are on our show that are dating now sure,
and how they say that it's really tough to date
(23:23):
because when they find out what they're doing. And I
always say, well, that's just something that they'll have to
deal with. And I use you as my example because
you have been somebody that I mean, I've had radio
friends call you the perfect wife because of what you
put up with. But I didn't know how much it
hurt you, Like I didn't know how much.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Well, but I have said it to you, and we
said this last night. I have said it to you.
The boys have said it to you. It's what you
choose to hear. Yeah, so you know, and you can
only say it so many times, and it's just so
funny then how it has affected our relationship. Like you said, ear,
you focused on work, but the last five years you've
(24:05):
really realized how much. And by the way, nobody is perfect.
I'm not a perfect wife. I'm not saying that. I
you know, sat there waiting at home with my hands
and you know, in my lap, waiting for you to
pay attention to me or you know. But there are
consequences to behaviors. So I can only say so many
times I need you to do this. Can you give
(24:26):
me this attention? I need to stop doing that. I mean,
if it goes I felt unheard, then my personal reaction
to that is going to be I'm going to shut
down exactly to protect myself. So all of a sudden,
now twenty five years later, you want to have this
(24:48):
magical marriage. Well, sir, I've got some news for you.
Like you like, we are dealing with some issues right
now between the two of us, where it's my automatic
reaction is to act a different way and to feel
a certain way and to be a certain way with you,
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which has worked for me for now thirty years of marriage.
I evolved like everyone else has evolved. So I am
who I am today because of everything that has happened
in the past. Will you have automatically decided that you
either want to rewrite or start over a way our relationship. Well,
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I'm still dealing with I can say to you, I
forgive you, I want to let go of all of
those hurts that have happened before, And I can say
that in my head, But my automatic, gut reaction is
to go back into self preservation mode. Whether you do
something intentionally or unintentionally, right, does that make sense? So
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while you want to start over, I don't even know
really what it is you want to do.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I think I want and listen, I don't. I know
that there's so much history and history Obviously it either
makes your relationship stronger or it could actually make your
relationship weaker. I think our relationship's gotten a little bit
of both in certain aspects. I just want to I
just I feel like this is why I say we
were probably too young to get married because my maturity
(26:28):
level was not at the level that it is right now.
Like if I could get married at fifty four years
old right now and marry you, not marry anybody else,
but marry you at fifty four years old, man, I
would do things like if I if you and I
got into a relationship right now, I would be way
more protective of you than I was before. And I
think that I was dumb in thinking that, oh, well,
(26:50):
you know she'll she'll be there for me because you
know she loves me, and she thinks that Now I'm
more conscientious of No, she loves me, but I need
to protect her.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Yeah, then, which that is a word that I always said,
you never did. You never protected me. I mean that's
like a trigger word for me for sure. But it's interesting,
so like not to get so because I think we
went way off topic on which we always do. But
it's interesting then because, like you say, with the new
people that come on the show, like the newer relationships
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part of me, sometimes I sit there and I wonder
why these people would sign up for it, because you know,
you love someone. That's all good and great, But I mean,
I just don't know if love can conquer all in
this situation where you truly again you lose your identity.
You are who someone else makes you out to be
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to the listeners, which sounds so trivial and so small,
but when it's your life, it's not. And then you
try to pop on and you know, redirect and make
it your narrative too, but again it's solely your narrative,
so I am. And and when people start and therefore
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you can tell they really don't talk about that person.
They won't say their name for a little bit, and
that frustrates you because you want them to be like, hey,
you're dating someone, let's get it out on the air.
Let's talk about it's relatable, it's But then you do
forget that you're losing that other person, like let them
dip their toe into it a little bit. And if,
by the way, they have a right, if they don't
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want it to be talked about, man, they have a
right to say that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
How successful do you think that I would have been?
And I asked this of you, maybe with you not
even having the answer because we may not be an answer.
How successful do you think that I would have been
in the show would have been if we didn't talk
about our personal stuff, like if we were in their listen.
(28:53):
There are some other shows that are out there that, yeah,
never do it, and honestly you don't know their names
because there's probably not Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I mean, so I don't know. I don't. I just
I don't know the answer to that. But I will
say also, I think social media really hurt too, because
then it's a face with the name, so you can't
even have like because I've been on a plane before
by myself when someone has said to me, oh my god,
(29:20):
you're Chelsea, You're Mojo's wife, and it freaks me the
fuck out because I mean, all of my social is private.
I don't act. Sorry listeners when you when I get tagged,
I don't accept you because if I don't know you,
you're not going to I'm not going to accept you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
You're protective of your kids, Well.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I'm very protective of my kids, which they're not clearly
protective of themselves, but I'm read. But also it's my
slice of life that I want to keep private, you know,
and so I think that social media came in and
blew it up even more so there is like there
is no privacy. So I do want to keep a
(29:59):
little bit of it private for me. You know, we.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Have talked before about you filling in and coming in
sometimes like if you know somebody like Channing or Megan
were I only did it one time, and it would
be interesting. I always wondered the next stage of my
life with doing radio because I said that I only
wanted to do this as long as I felt like
I had relevancy. But I also thought if I ever
(30:25):
had to rewrite what you know, the script would be
of what my career would be because I started off
in radio doing music shifts and programming, and I wanted
to be a program director.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I never wanted to do on air.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Being a personality like this, I thought that the next
level would be what we're doing right now, which is
it'd be kind of cool you and I doing it together.
And I wonder what difference it would have been because
you are you are more personal sometimes than you think
you are. Especially on this podcast. You bring up things
that honestly, I don't don't know if I would bring up, well.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
This podcast is also controlled too, it's not like it's
open airwaves. People actually have to click in to listen
to it. They have to want to.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You know, it would be interesting if we were live
radio to hear you. I'd love to hear you talk
to listeners because I know there's so many times and
we've had people come up to you before, or even
at that live podcast which we're going to do another
one this year, by the way, which you are definitely
going to be at. Because no, because I think it's
it's really important, but I also think that that could
(31:31):
be the next stage for me of if I ever
because I always thought consultancy would be my thing, and
I don't know if I want to consult because I
just think.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
That, well, that's too bad because the people that you
consult really well the.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
People I'd like to do what I'm doing right now
where I help a few shows out. So I do
also want to bring up with Happy twenty fifth by
the way, to you, because this really is truly you,
but it is no because you put up with a
lot of shit.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean listening to well.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I appreciate that, but really it's about you and you
need to just take it.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I hate things about me.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
You that I mean, it's strong, you know, I mean no, no,
you like being in the Spotlight. Listen, I love the
baby of the family. You love the Spotlight.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I do love that. I do love what the show
has done. I love how the show has affected a
lot of lives. The show, I think. I think one
of the things about doing this radio show is I
think that it has made a lot of people have
a good success, a decent success in their lives. And
it's given people a good platform. There's been a lot
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of people that have went on to do other, you know,
great things. But also I also think that we, as
far as our family, have been very blessed.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
It's put three kids through.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
College or hopefully a third through college if he passes.
And it's also it's been Listen, we celebrated thirty years
of marriage this year, along with twenty five years of
doing Mojo in the Morning and prior to that, Mojo
and Betsy in Arizona, which, by the way, google some
(33:10):
of that shit because some of the things that we
did back then we actually did. You know, we did
phone scams back then, and some of those Jeff Dollar
phone scams were just ridiculously funny.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So listen to that. And we did war the Roses,
we did all the stuff that we do on the show.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Now you brought all of that here.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, but I will say this to you, which is.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Something by the way, that I want to acknowledge. I
think that there are a lot of things. It's funny
people will take things from other people in radio, like
some stuff that you have started and stuff that you
brought to Detroit. Which this is where you don't like
the Spolett. You don't like to get the accolades given
to you. Never when people would take credit for things
(33:50):
that were done on the show, and literally it was
a brain storm that was brought up either by you
or a team of people, but then they run and
take the credit themselves. That would that drove me insane,
you know, because simply because just give credit where credit
is due, you know, like and I think that that
(34:12):
is a big thing for you, Like I would hope
that you would take the acknowledgment of you know, you
have brought so much. You did the Christmas Wish in
Arizona as well, like that started a lot of this
stuff started in Arizona. On your first morning show.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And listen, I appreciate that, and I know you do.
You Chelsea is like take you know, take credit or
at least yeah, you know, be.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Perhaps out they're breeding in your chest, but just and
don't let someone else steal the thunder from you.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
John J did some one of the coolest things ever
John Jay and I have had. You know, one of
John J for those that don't know, is John Jay
and rich in Arizona. And he replaced me in Arizona
and went on to do everything I wanted to do.
I said to him, I go, I wouldn't ever left
to come to Detroit if I was able to do
the Phoenix Tucson thing like they do on their show,
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because I truly was wanting to never take you away
from your family.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
But also I loved Arizona. Yeah, became my home.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
John Jay put something up on social media and then
sent me a text and said, don't be freaked out
by this. But somebody had commented about War the Roses
and made a comment, kind of snide comment to him
about how I started War the Roses or whatever, and
he said something back, and he said, you're right, Mojo did.
And Mojo deserves the credit and all the rest of
(35:37):
this stuff. And it was kind of cool to hear
to see that. And I don't think, I don't think
that he and I have had the greatest of relationships
over time. I feel like the two of us got
to be really close through Joey, our son, because he
became very like almost like a second dad to Joe
or a big brother to Joe when Joe started his
(35:58):
radio career, and it made me realize, I'm like, man,
you know what this is. This has been a great business,
this has been a great life, and it's cool to see.
And I think the success of what I have done
in my life is not the ratings and you know,
the fact that I've helped the company do well and
(36:20):
the company has helped me do well. It's the fact
that my family has done well so and I appreciate that.
So I love that you and I and the boys
have been able to have a good life.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's kind of like I look at my dad was
a doctor, you know, and he did a great job
when he retired. I remember when he retired, he goes,
I'm going to retire now because I don't have to
worry about my kids tuition anymore, and I always thought
that that was kind of a cool reason of why
he decided to stay in the business for as long
as he did.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, so I'll retire when Luke retired.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh God help us all twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I want to apologize to you. I'm sorry for telling
your story and not being conscientious of what that does
for you. I forgive you, okay, but I'll still be
telling you story the next show.
Welcome to the We Don't Podcast, starring husband and wife
Mojo from Mojo in the Morning and his better half Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
On this episode coming up on this episode of the
We Don't Podcast, it's a big anniversary, Chelsea. Yeah, but
not an anniversary of us, oh, I cast.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It is an anniversary of us.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's an anniversary of a big move and a big
radio show. All right, we're going to talk about that
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Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, all right, all right, all right, without further delay,
here are Mojo and Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
All Right.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
When I say that we've celebrated twenty five years of
being on the radio in Detroit, that the Mojo in
the Morning show has been on there, I guess I
should do like a little background first. But when I
first mentioned twenty five years, does that seem like crazy
or what?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
That's a lot of years.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah, it's just a lot of years.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I can't believe it. I actually went to historian Art Volo.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Do you remember Art at all?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Art is called radio's best friend, And I asked Art Volo.
This was actually two years ago. I said, Art, a
lot of people have said that there are records that
are about to be broken, and he told me that
one of the biggest ones was that I have surpassed
the record for the longest running morning show on the
same radio station.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
That's insane, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Which is pretty coo.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, it's very na the congratulation.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I appreciate that there have been us question radio is
a very big deal. Well, yes, because you get you
usually get fired and move a lot. Yeah. But yeah,
so twenty five years. We started on February twenty first,
back in two thousand. But it was also a big move,
not just for me radio wise and career wise, it
(02:37):
was a big move for our family wise, right, And
I kind of want to focus a little bit on
that because I think that that's just as important, if
not more important than this whole thing. I remember when
we got the phone call to come to Detroit. It
was actually we were either going to go to Detroit
and work at WKQI, which at that time was known
(02:58):
as Q ninety five to five and played all kinds
of whimpy music. It was like Goo Goo Dolls, Train
and Savage Garden were like the songs and Celine Dion
I remember that, okay.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
And then and which the station that I had.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Been working at in Arizona was like a like a
rap station, like a rap rhythmic kind of station. Okay,
So it was a lot younger and cooler and stuff.
So it was either come work here or it was
going to go work at a similar type of music
format station to what we were in Arizona. And that
was in Philadelphia in w ioq Q whatever the hell
(03:35):
it is one O two or something like that. And
you and I flew to town here and we got
to see what Detroit was all about. And it was cold,
it was snowy, and you and I didn't even have
any clothes for.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
That well when we flew in for the interview. But
it was the treatment they gave us was the royal treatment.
Picked us up in a really nice car. We stayed
at the Townsend Hotel, which was a very nice hotel
in downtown Birmingham, Michigan. They took us out for a
really nice dinner and it was only one night because
(04:10):
the kids were so little, so I couldn't stay for
a long time or I didn't want to. So it
literally was in and out the reality hit when you
accepted the job, and because I remember it being cold
when we came in for the interview, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It was like pretty cold.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, it wasn't too bad, it was you know. And
again it was twenty four hours the reality of when
you accepted the job and then we you and I
came back. You had to do stuff with the radio station.
And then I went and looked at homes with a
real estate agent. There was a huge storm and they
(04:52):
did not pick us up in a nice car. We
had to rent a car. Yeah, and then we drove
to apartment and we got in really late at night
and we had connecting flights and we just didn't have
time to eat. There were only candies in a dish
in that apartment, so there's no food. That is way
(05:14):
before DoorDash twenty five years ago. And again it was late,
so I remember, and then waking up the next morning,
you had to leave and go into the radio station.
There was snow everywhere. I'm this girl from Arizona, and
I thought, holy shit, Yeah, he really did just accept
the job and there's no you know, it's like welcome
(05:36):
to Detroit.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
It was.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
I was so depressed immediately, I thought, oh, like, what
did we just sign up for?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I remember, I remember to go back to the
job interview. The job interview felt like it was something
out of I don't know, maybe a Christmas movie. Yeah,
you get picked up at the airport, you get driven
to this beautiful town that has Christmas lights all over.
It was snowing a little bit, and you and I
(06:09):
checked into the hotel.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
In beautiful hotel. We had never stayed in a hotel
that nice.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh there was a bellman that was wearing like an
old fashioned uniform. They took us up to this room
that was like if you've, you know, ever wanted to
know what it was like to be the home alone kid, Kevin, Yeah,
that's what it felt like, you know, checking into the hotel,
and then we went to this great restaurant and then
The exact opposite of that was I remember Applebee's seriously
(06:35):
be in the place that we ate at after that,
which was probably more our speed.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Which whatever, Yeah, that's reality. But it was just you know,
you think it's gonna be one thing. You're like, oh
my gosh, he finally made it to the big market
and Detroit and then real I mean that, if nothing else,
that was a complete foreshadow of what was going to
be for a while.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh and it was very interesting time. And we'll get
into that obviously. We'll talk about, you know, moves for
your family, and I don't know if there are any
people that you know, listen to this thing that even
if they are accepting a new job or moving their
home or apartment, whatever it is. I mean, it is
a stressful thing for your family. And we've talked before
about that. But the other thing too was I remember
(07:20):
this show that I was on back in Arizona was
really successful, and at the time that we were leaving,
it was we were making a ton of noise. Yeah,
we had hired to be It was me and Betsy
and Jeff Dollar and Ryan Coda, and we had Gary
Coleman on our show and Gary Coleman, who was this
(07:43):
child star from the show Different Strokes. He had been
arrested and we bailed him out of jail and they
hired him as a morning show remember, because he had
no money at the time, and we saw the new
story and it was it was like the most it
was like the perfect everything going on at the time.
It was your hometown. And I will never forget this.
(08:05):
I will never forget being offered this job and going
back to everybody in Arizona and saying, hey, you know,
got to offer this job. Tim Richards was our program
director back in Arizona. He accepted the job in Detroit,
so he was the one bringing you there.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, and nobody wanted to come with Do you remember that?
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I do?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And it was like none of the show. Imagine if
our show right now that we have was offered a
job to go move to another city. And I walked
back in and everybody looked at me like, no, we're
staying here.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yeah, Which is funny because didn't they eventually say they
wish that they would have come with you.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I don't know, you know, I think that there was Well,
Betsy probably not because she loved she loved Tucsons so
much Jeff Dollar maybe, although he did do well after
that he went to Atlanta. It would have been interesting
to see what it would have done, but it was
hard it actually, can I be honest with you. It
was my first growth moment in my career because I
(09:06):
had a second.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Well, because when you say your first growth would have
been moving to Arizona.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, that was probably my first. Yeah, definitely, that was
a first because I was moving away from home.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It was my growth moment in understanding that it's that
I could put together a team. Yeah, because then we
ended up putting together what I thought was honestly one
of the greatest teams that had worked in radio with
you know, Spike and Sarah and Eric and Chad. It
(09:37):
was so much fun, I mean to think about that.
And then over the years, we've always had different things
that have popped up, different changes that have happened on
the show, and I think that I think the move
to Detroit helped me with every move that has been
made on the show over the twenty five years, because
it made me kind of go okay, even though I
always panic, probably in the first six months.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Well, yeah, you're not one for change at all. So
when change does happen, you you're okay with it when
at first when the decision is vocalized, but then within hours, two,
a couple hours later, you're second guessing yourself constantly and
then wondering if it's right, or second guessing whoever is
making the decision. It's not always you making the decision,
(10:22):
but then in you know, debating on what you should do,
if you can do you know, all of these things.
And then honestly, every change, even though some of them
have been you know, pretty earth shattering for your show,
I have always ended up being really great.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, you know, personally and professionally, I mean not just professionally.
They've actually worked you know, a lot, you know, and I've.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Brought new people in that have added so much to
you personally as well.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah. So we move here to to Detroit. It was
a time when our kids were very young. Joe was
what was he for it was, and Jacob was not
even two, and you moved away from your family, which
was so.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Tough, so hard. Yeah, it was really really hard.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And you and I and I at the time that
we moved, and I've said this to you numerous times
lately it seems like where I said, God, I am
shocked that you ever stayed with me because my only
focus in my life wasn't even my kids or you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
It was work. That was all I focused on.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, And I feel like it's not until honestly, in
the last five years or so since having heard surgery,
that I started realizing how much I kind of dropped
the ball on on you and dropped the ball on
our boys. So it was weird because we've talked about it,
and I can't remember what episode of this podcast series
(11:56):
that we've done, but we talked about that. You know,
we almost got divorced within the first six months I mean,
or at least separated we did.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That was yeah, divorce number one.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, and moves are tough.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I mean, I, you know, twenty five years later to
look back, I mean even just how drastic that move
was to move from your hometown of Arizona to a
completely different city that both you and I have never
been to.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Climate wise, it was crazy. The kids were young.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Yeah, well, and I had no support system, so which
a lot of women, do you know, there're single moms
that have no one helping them. But for me, I
had gone from having my mom who was literally over,
if not every day, every other day or twice a day. Yeah,
I just totally obsessed with the boys and so helpful.
Or I was at her house two and tons of
(12:52):
childhood friends. Yes, yes, and again my mom, my dad,
my grandfather, my aunts and uncles like it was just
always constantly surrounded by family and help. Then to nothing
and as far as you know, our relationship went, like
you said, you were focused, rightly so on your job
(13:14):
and you had to create something from the ground up,
so you it wasn't like now where you can go
to work at you get up at three thirty, but
you're home by sometimes one thirty two ish in the afternoon,
and then you know, we can have some time whatever,
or when the kids or when Luke was at home,
(13:35):
you could go do Luke Luke sports, sports and stuff
like that. Where it was you wouldn't come home until three, four,
five o'clock at night, and you were rightly so exhausted.
And then I was exhausted because I had these two
kids pent up in a house, didn't know even how
(13:55):
to get to the grocery store, like it was my mom.
When we moved moved when the boys and I came
down here, my mom came down with me. And one
thing she did is she's like, okay, let's get in
the car. We're going to learn how to You're gonna
learn how to get to target. Okay, let's get in
the car. You're going to learn how to get to
a couple of grocery stores around here. Like she was
very which is I look back and think how amazing
(14:17):
that was. You know that she did that with me,
which seems so okay, you should just learn it on
your own. But again, I was a young mom my
first time away. So I was twenty four when we
moved here. Wow, so young mom had or twenty five
moved away from my family from the first time, which
I know sounds so silly, but literally, I went from
(14:38):
my parents' house to our house, you know, like there
was no living on my own, There was no figuring
things out on my own. My mom basically she didn't
do everything for me, because she did not. I did
a lot on my own, but I knew where everything
was in Tucson, you know, I didn't have to have her.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And like you said, with no door dash at the yeah,
there was no there was nothing ways or Google maps
my quest.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
So we would. She made me print up, you know,
the directions on a piece of paper and she said,
you keep this in your car. And it was scary.
You know, I'm out here with two kids by myself.
I thought, oh my gosh, what if I get law.
I mean, it was just so silly. But of course
I figured it out and everything was fine, But I
remember it was scary at first.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
The radio station was in oak Park. It was just
off of six ninety six and ten Mile Road or
Greenfield I think it was Greenfield and ten Mile. And
I remember that back in Arizona, you would come visit
me with the kids fairly often, like at least at
least a couple of times a month or whatever. You
would just come by the radio station. And for months
(15:48):
you would never come to the radio station because and
I didn't understand that, and that to me, I was like, hey,
once you come to the station. When you come to
the station, I didn't realize you not only were in
you know, a city that you did not know, but
you were also having to navigate from a town that
you had no idea where we were personally living then
to then get on a highway.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Go well, which I had to get on a highway
in Arizona go to your radio station. But there was,
but again I knew it there was. Do you remember
the first time you took me to the radio station?
So you had my mom and I follow you and
or we I'm sorry, we met you there and then
we followed you on the way home, and I'll never
(16:30):
forget we were on the lodge and the way like,
and you are a horrible driver, I'm sorry, but was
I back then too horrible? You would not use a
turn signal to let me know you were getting into
a different lane, and you would just cut cars off
and get off on the exit at the last minute,
and I was just I remember telling my mom what
(16:53):
the fuck? Like, why does he drive like this? I
what if I get lost? What am I gonna do?
You know? And it's like it's okay. She's very calm
and it's okay, you'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And do you think your mom ever thought, why the
hell did my daughter marry this guy?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yes? Did she all the time?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Now, honestly, do you ever have that, because now that
we're at the age where our kids are in serious relationships,
did you do you think that they that your mom
and dad were over.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Like I think at first they were very concerned, you know,
because we were so young, but you know, they know
you're a good person.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But yeah, it's weird to think, you know. It's it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know, we've focused a lot twenty five years on
us personally, but this move twenty five years later to
know that we have gone through a lot marriage wise,
and I know that this podcast kind of focuses a
little bit more on our personal life and not so
much as much talking about the radio thing, but twenty
five years of a lot of shit that you've had
(17:53):
to put up with. And then think of that, I
for what nine years before that I.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Did mornings or eight years?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
What was I I was there for a long time
before in Arizona. And it's funny because last night you
and I had a conversation, and one of the conversations
was something that I thought about I should bring up
during the podcast, and that was how the narrative of
what I have said for so many years until the
last couple of years of us doing this podcast has
(18:23):
always been my narrative and how much that has affected
you and I think and it made me really think
of and it was from a lot of things. I mean,
it could be the simplest story of us just telling
a story about us with the kids, and it could
be a story about me being very inappropriately talking about
(18:44):
our intimacy or whatever in our relationship. And you said
to me last night as we're laying in bed, you said,
it's always been my story and it's never been our
story because my story has never been both of our sides.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Well, that's how it is, right, like you're it is.
When you tell a story, it's always from that person's
point of view. But it's I said to you. What
I said to you is that you'll never be able
to understand what it's like to have to be in
a relationship with somebody. That your my story is always
(19:20):
said from your point of view and from how you're
explaining it to millions of people, not just to a
group of friends, which typically if I'm talking about something
that's happens between us and to either one friend or
a group of girls, when we're talking about you know,
marriage or whatever. That's so that's my narrative to let's
(19:41):
just say one to four women, you are telling a
story and sometimes it's two to ten minutes. Whatever it
is your break is, and it is a story that
is reaching millions of people, and it's a hard which
(20:02):
you know, people then feel that they know me as
a person. What they know is they know your version
of me. They don't know the real me because even
when I call or you call me again, it's a
couple of minutes to give that side. And they know
the side of me that is quick to give an answer,
(20:23):
sometimes ass wholeish, sometimes funny, sometimes whatever. Like, they don't
know me, and they don't know what I want to
give and what I don't want to give. There's it's
really hard because I don't know when it's when radio
shifted to start telling your personal life, because when we
(20:47):
started dating, that was not radio, but I.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Also wasn't doing morning radio. Morning radio has always kind
of been personal. But it's definitely got more.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
I feel it's been more and more and more and more.
Oh yeah, I met you now the way that it
is now, I never I would have said to you
you either pretend I'm somebody else or I will not
go forward with this because the amount of lack of
privacy that there is that has happened, or the amount
(21:19):
of hurt that I've had because of something that I
don't think. I know that you don't set out intentionally.
That's not true. There have been some breaks that you
have set out intentionally to hurt me, but majority of
them you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
But I.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
You just will never know my side of it, like
I won't know your side of it. I know that
you sit there and you're trying to think of topics
to do, and you want people to relate to it,
and it's very relationships are relatable. It's just not fair
to the other person all the time because I'm not
there to tell you stop, or I'm not there to say, okay,
you've crossed a line. And knowing what I know now
(22:04):
and I don't know you know how that could change
going forward. But it is very difficult, and I stand
by what I said last night. You will never know
my side of it, just like I won't know your
side of it. But you will never know what it's
like to sit there in your car and have someone
tell a story about you, and then have listeners call
(22:24):
up and say she's such a bit, she's so mean,
she doesn't understand. Oh, poor Mojo, or you know, and
it's like, poor fucking let me tell you the backstory
to poor fucking Mojo. Give me a break, Like just
like I don't know what goes on in someone's home.
I'm not privy, Like when you hear your friends that
get divorced and you're like, oh my god, I just
(22:45):
can't believe that you don't know the side of you
that living with you. That is a pain in the
ass that I have to you know, you're not perfect,
so it's like very difficult. But back to celebrate your
twenty teve years.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
No, I love this because honestly, this is to me.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I think this is the stuff that the listeners when
they talk about this podcast, they love to hear because
they want to hear. They want to hear that it's
wild because you brought up something that has made me
think of the others on the show, and especially the
people that are on our show that are dating now sure,
and how they say that it's really tough to date
(23:23):
because when they find out what they're doing. And I
always say, well, that's just something that they'll have to
deal with. And I use you as my example because
you have been somebody that I mean, I've had radio
friends call you the perfect wife because of what you
put up with. But I didn't know how much it
hurt you, Like I didn't know how much.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Well, but I have said it to you, and we
said this last night. I have said it to you.
The boys have said it to you. It's what you
choose to hear. Yeah, so you know, and you can
only say it so many times, and it's just so
funny then how it has affected our relationship. Like you said, ear,
you focused on work, but the last five years you've
(24:05):
really realized how much. And by the way, nobody is perfect.
I'm not a perfect wife. I'm not saying that. I
you know, sat there waiting at home with my hands
and you know, in my lap, waiting for you to
pay attention to me or you know. But there are
consequences to behaviors. So I can only say so many
times I need you to do this. Can you give
(24:26):
me this attention? I need to stop doing that. I mean,
if it goes I felt unheard, then my personal reaction
to that is going to be I'm going to shut
down exactly to protect myself. So all of a sudden,
now twenty five years later, you want to have this
(24:48):
magical marriage. Well, sir, I've got some news for you.
Like you like, we are dealing with some issues right
now between the two of us, where it's my automatic
reaction is to act a different way and to feel
a certain way and to be a certain way with you,
(25:11):
which has worked for me for now thirty years of marriage.
I evolved like everyone else has evolved. So I am
who I am today because of everything that has happened
in the past. Will you have automatically decided that you
either want to rewrite or start over a way our relationship. Well,
(25:34):
I'm still dealing with I can say to you, I
forgive you, I want to let go of all of
those hurts that have happened before, And I can say
that in my head, But my automatic, gut reaction is
to go back into self preservation mode. Whether you do
something intentionally or unintentionally, right, does that make sense? So
(25:57):
while you want to start over, I don't even know
really what it is you want to do.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I think I want and listen, I don't. I know
that there's so much history and history Obviously it either
makes your relationship stronger or it could actually make your
relationship weaker. I think our relationship's gotten a little bit
of both in certain aspects. I just want to I
just I feel like this is why I say we
were probably too young to get married because my maturity
(26:28):
level was not at the level that it is right now.
Like if I could get married at fifty four years
old right now and marry you, not marry anybody else,
but marry you at fifty four years old, man, I
would do things like if I if you and I
got into a relationship right now, I would be way
more protective of you than I was before. And I
think that I was dumb in thinking that, oh, well,
(26:50):
you know she'll she'll be there for me because you
know she loves me, and she thinks that Now I'm
more conscientious of No, she loves me, but I need
to protect her.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
Yeah, then, which that is a word that I always said,
you never did. You never protected me. I mean that's
like a trigger word for me for sure. But it's interesting,
so like not to get so because I think we
went way off topic on which we always do. But
it's interesting then because, like you say, with the new
people that come on the show, like the newer relationships
(27:23):
part of me, sometimes I sit there and I wonder
why these people would sign up for it, because you know,
you love someone. That's all good and great, But I mean,
I just don't know if love can conquer all in
this situation where you truly again you lose your identity.
You are who someone else makes you out to be
(27:46):
to the listeners, which sounds so trivial and so small,
but when it's your life, it's not. And then you
try to pop on and you know, redirect and make
it your narrative too, but again it's solely your narrative,
so I am. And and when people start and therefore
(28:07):
you can tell they really don't talk about that person.
They won't say their name for a little bit, and
that frustrates you because you want them to be like, hey,
you're dating someone, let's get it out on the air.
Let's talk about it's relatable, it's But then you do
forget that you're losing that other person, like let them
dip their toe into it a little bit. And if,
by the way, they have a right, if they don't
(28:28):
want it to be talked about, man, they have a
right to say that.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
How successful do you think that I would have been?
And I asked this of you, maybe with you not
even having the answer because we may not be an answer.
How successful do you think that I would have been
in the show would have been if we didn't talk
about our personal stuff, like if we were in their listen.
(28:53):
There are some other shows that are out there that, yeah,
never do it, and honestly you don't know their names
because there's probably not Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I mean, so I don't know. I don't. I just
I don't know the answer to that. But I will
say also, I think social media really hurt too, because
then it's a face with the name, so you can't
even have like because I've been on a plane before
by myself when someone has said to me, oh my god,
(29:20):
you're Chelsea, You're Mojo's wife, and it freaks me the
fuck out because I mean, all of my social is private.
I don't act. Sorry listeners when you when I get tagged,
I don't accept you because if I don't know you,
you're not going to I'm not going to accept you.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
You're protective of your kids, Well.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
I'm very protective of my kids, which they're not clearly
protective of themselves, but I'm read. But also it's my
slice of life that I want to keep private, you know,
and so I think that social media came in and
blew it up even more so there is like there
is no privacy. So I do want to keep a
(29:59):
little bit of it private for me. You know, we.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Have talked before about you filling in and coming in
sometimes like if you know somebody like Channing or Megan
were I only did it one time, and it would
be interesting. I always wondered the next stage of my
life with doing radio because I said that I only
wanted to do this as long as I felt like
I had relevancy. But I also thought if I ever
(30:25):
had to rewrite what you know, the script would be
of what my career would be because I started off
in radio doing music shifts and programming, and I wanted
to be a program director.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I never wanted to do on air.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Being a personality like this, I thought that the next
level would be what we're doing right now, which is
it'd be kind of cool you and I doing it together.
And I wonder what difference it would have been because
you are you are more personal sometimes than you think
you are. Especially on this podcast. You bring up things
that honestly, I don't don't know if I would bring up, well.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
This podcast is also controlled too, it's not like it's
open airwaves. People actually have to click in to listen
to it. They have to want to.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
You know, it would be interesting if we were live
radio to hear you. I'd love to hear you talk
to listeners because I know there's so many times and
we've had people come up to you before, or even
at that live podcast which we're going to do another
one this year, by the way, which you are definitely
going to be at. Because no, because I think it's
it's really important, but I also think that that could
(31:31):
be the next stage for me of if I ever
because I always thought consultancy would be my thing, and
I don't know if I want to consult because I
just think.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
That, well, that's too bad because the people that you
consult really well the.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
People I'd like to do what I'm doing right now
where I help a few shows out. So I do
also want to bring up with Happy twenty fifth by
the way, to you, because this really is truly you,
but it is no because you put up with a
lot of shit.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean listening to well.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I appreciate that, but really it's about you and you
need to just take it.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I hate things about me.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
You that I mean, it's strong, you know, I mean no, no,
you like being in the Spotlight. Listen, I love the
baby of the family. You love the Spotlight.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I do love that. I do love what the show
has done. I love how the show has affected a
lot of lives. The show, I think. I think one
of the things about doing this radio show is I
think that it has made a lot of people have
a good success, a decent success in their lives. And
it's given people a good platform. There's been a lot
(32:36):
of people that have went on to do other, you know,
great things. But also I also think that we, as
far as our family, have been very blessed.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
It's put three kids through.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
College or hopefully a third through college if he passes.
And it's also it's been Listen, we celebrated thirty years
of marriage this year, along with twenty five years of
doing Mojo in the Morning and prior to that, Mojo
and Betsy in Arizona, which, by the way, google some
(33:10):
of that shit because some of the things that we
did back then we actually did. You know, we did
phone scams back then, and some of those Jeff Dollar
phone scams were just ridiculously funny.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
So listen to that. And we did war the Roses,
we did all the stuff that we do on the show.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Now you brought all of that here.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah, but I will say this to you, which is.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Something by the way, that I want to acknowledge. I
think that there are a lot of things. It's funny
people will take things from other people in radio, like
some stuff that you have started and stuff that you
brought to Detroit. Which this is where you don't like
the Spolett. You don't like to get the accolades given
to you. Never when people would take credit for things
(33:50):
that were done on the show, and literally it was
a brain storm that was brought up either by you
or a team of people, but then they run and
take the credit themselves. That would that drove me insane,
you know, because simply because just give credit where credit
is due, you know, like and I think that that
(34:12):
is a big thing for you, Like I would hope
that you would take the acknowledgment of you know, you
have brought so much. You did the Christmas Wish in
Arizona as well, like that started a lot of this
stuff started in Arizona. On your first morning show.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And listen, I appreciate that, and I know you do.
You Chelsea is like take you know, take credit or
at least yeah, you know, be.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Perhaps out they're breeding in your chest, but just and
don't let someone else steal the thunder from you.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
John J did some one of the coolest things ever
John Jay and I have had. You know, one of
John J for those that don't know, is John Jay
and rich in Arizona. And he replaced me in Arizona
and went on to do everything I wanted to do.
I said to him, I go, I wouldn't ever left
to come to Detroit if I was able to do
the Phoenix Tucson thing like they do on their show,
(35:07):
because I truly was wanting to never take you away
from your family.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
But also I loved Arizona. Yeah, became my home.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
John Jay put something up on social media and then
sent me a text and said, don't be freaked out
by this. But somebody had commented about War the Roses
and made a comment, kind of snide comment to him
about how I started War the Roses or whatever, and
he said something back, and he said, you're right, Mojo did.
And Mojo deserves the credit and all the rest of
(35:37):
this stuff. And it was kind of cool to hear
to see that. And I don't think, I don't think
that he and I have had the greatest of relationships
over time. I feel like the two of us got
to be really close through Joey, our son, because he
became very like almost like a second dad to Joe
or a big brother to Joe when Joe started his
(35:58):
radio career, and it made me realize, I'm like, man,
you know what this is. This has been a great business,
this has been a great life, and it's cool to see.
And I think the success of what I have done
in my life is not the ratings and you know,
the fact that I've helped the company do well and
(36:20):
the company has helped me do well. It's the fact
that my family has done well so and I appreciate that.
So I love that you and I and the boys
have been able to have a good life.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
It's kind of like I look at my dad was
a doctor, you know, and he did a great job
when he retired. I remember when he retired, he goes,
I'm going to retire now because I don't have to
worry about my kids tuition anymore, and I always thought
that that was kind of a cool reason of why
he decided to stay in the business for as long
as he did.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, so I'll retire when Luke retired.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Oh God help us all twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I want to apologize to you. I'm sorry for telling
your story and not being conscientious of what that does
for you. I forgive you, okay, but I'll still be
telling you story the next show.
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