Jarred Kelenic trade reaction and Mariners money issues.

Chuck and Anders react to the Jarred Kelenic trade and what that means for the Mariners financially, do fans have a right to be angry? Chuck also gives another update on Shohei Ohtani, and trade ideas that fix everything even in the new supposed budget for the Mariners.

Episode Transcript

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Stove. What a kind of nameis that? So take them all,
you take the Welcome to another episodeof Stove, our Mariners off season podcast.

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Me and the rest of my heathenare here to break down all matters
Mariners. Oh my gosh, whata week it has been. I know
Anders is like bursting at the seamsto discuss this. He's so angry,
uh and signed myself even I'm angry. And so this is going to be

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an angry broadcast potentially, but alsoone that will provide solutions to what ails
us here in Seattle, because Ido believe, despite the terrible, terrible
week of pr for the Mariners andthe terrible news Mariner fans were dealt this
week, that a champion can stillbe built from this nucleus for next year.

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Wow, we're gonna talk about thaton the podcast today. But let
me introduce our host, andrews Hurst. How are you, Chuck. It's
so good to be here. Yeah, it's weird that we had such a
crazy week yet the biggest story stillhasn't folded out yet in show. Hey,
Tony, you would think that ifwith this much going on, that
that would have been the forefront ofeverything, But we still don't know what's

(01:30):
going on with mister showhy so.Yeah, and then everything else that unfolded.
Yeah, a lot of Mariners fansare reacting pretty strongly to the recent
news so well, it will bethe bulk of our podcast today this episode,
There's no question about that. Butyes, we do have sort of
a protocol here on the podcast tradition, that's honest, that's right. Yeah,

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and that's to check in with theupdate on show hal Tani, which,
to be honest, I haven't seenany it's it seems like he's We're
still kind of waiting, uh tosee where he goes. I haven't seen
any new teams really. I've hearda couple of Toronto Blue Jays strong links,
but I think, like, likewe said multiple times before, this
is just a all right, maybehe fits go to the Blue Jays,

(02:16):
you know, maybe they're an interestedin him. And I did see that
John Hayman did point out that,uh, the Mariners could be a mystery
team quote unquote, even though they'renot that much of a mystery. They
were one of the fad all thetime. He's such a fraud. He
can I just first that here weget thirty seconds telling you about John.

(02:37):
John Haymen is Scott Boris's boy.So when Scott Boris wants a story leaked,
he goes to John Hayman, andthen Hayman throws out these Haymakers and
always includes a mystery team. Ohyeah, because Boris wants the ownership to
feel like there's more bidders than thereactually are. And it also covers Hayman's

(03:01):
reporting ass Yeah, uh to say, well, I told you there was
a mystery team. Oh well,that includes everybody. You're not breaking anything,
No, And then in returns becausehe gets those, he gets scoops
from Boris what he's hearing from otherpeople, and he's as plugged in as
anybody Scott Boris because he talks withall the owners and he talks with every

(03:21):
players. Yeah, so that's theirrelationship. So whenever you see a John
Hayman's story, know that it's BS. It's well, it's not necessarily a
BS, because Scott Morris does getvaluable information, right, But if you
ever get a John amon story,know that his all of his strings are
being pulled by Scott Morris. That'sthe only reason he's even known. I

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knew there was something fishy going onthere. He say that he has an
agendas. What you're saying that startangling? Okay, we're angry at John
Aymon taking shots right off the bathere. I think the Toronto thing is
real. Okay, I think Istill would put the Dodgers as the favorite,
but I would have told you eightypercent sure last podcast. I'm gong
to go sixty percent sure. Ithink the Blue Jays thing is real.

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I think that they have brand newfacilities there that are state of the art
that they invested a lot of moneyin. I think that Toronto might be
the closest city to feeling like Tokyo, just from the way that it's kept.
That's fair. I think that he'salready taken over America. I don't
think for him he has to bean American so to be able to go

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to Canada. It's a good team, it's got good pitching. Yeah,
So I think it actually makes ascary amount of sense that he ends up
with. And if I were theDodgers, I'd be worried about losing my
grip on being the favorite in thisrace. So I think it's absolutely legitimate.

(04:51):
I mean, shoe Otani cares abouttwo things, being great at baseball
and being left the f alone.That's what he gares. Yeah, you
know, so he doesn't get wrappedup anything. According to everybody that covers
him. He goes to the ballpark, he works his butt off, he
goes three for four with seven homeruns that night, throws a shut out,

(05:14):
and then goes home to his dogand hangs out at his house.
He's not looking for nightlife. He'snot looking for Hollywood. He's certainly not
looking for Holly Weird. Yeah,and so, I don't know, I
think Toronto is a real legitimate possibilityhere, don't I don't think he's just
going to Toronto so that Toronto soso that the Dodgers see him and get

(05:38):
jealous and up their offer. Yeah. I think he is absolutely considering the
Blue Jets. And for those whomay not understand the pronunciation of the city,
it is Toronto. The East Coasterssay that they don't even pronounce the
teen. I'm just kidding. It'sbecause there has been some points of contention
between Canadians and like East Coasters onhow to pronounce their city. But anyways,
I have a weird feeling about thisone. I totally just speculation with

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this, I like, and wementioned the John Hayman Mariners, the mystery
team. Maybe it's me being naiveand optimistic a little bit, but I
think we'll talk about this later.But with everything going on with the Mariners
payroll, I was so dumbfounded howdesperate they seemed to be to cut payroll

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by a lot from a team thatdidn't really have that high have a payroll
to begin with. And the onlyreason I could explain that to myself was
that they're gonna getting ready to takeon a fifty million dollars a year player,
so that would explain why they wereso desperate to do that. And
I just have a weird feeling that, like with shohe just in general that

(06:49):
he is going to go somewhere thatno one expects him to go, and
I feel great too. Yeah,And like whether that's here, whether that's
you know, going back to theAngel, which apparently is in play,
I don't want that. I don'teither, but like something like that I
feel is going to happen with show, hey, because like like you said,
everything seems to be hush hush withthat and no one really knows anything,

(07:13):
so anything could really happen. Sofirst choice Mariners, second choice,
no tam out. I hope it'sthe Pirates. Yeah, awesome, that
would be awesome. Honestly, Well, I want to get into how the
reasons why I think they shed thepayroll, and I don't think okay for
today, and I don't think it'sfor Snell, and I don't think it's

(07:34):
for Bellinger. But before we dothat, I want to mention this because
I don't think you've seen this.No, I have not buddy of mine,
and he's maybe the he's maybe abigger baseball fan than I am.
Oh wow, So I've never heardof this. I don't know where this
is coming from. There's an officialMLB logo you can see on this Okay,
it's Reddit. Yeah, is thatwhat it looks like? I think

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so? Okay, And anyway,here is the article. So this might
be completely made up, but Idon't think that my baseball nutbag friend would
be sending me articles in the middleof the show if he felt it was
made so he it says. Areport out of Japan by veterans sports columnist
Soshi Hyashi Senior and posted on YahooJapan, said that a lucrative one year

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deal, believed to be estimated atsixty five million dollars for show A Otani
is on the table from the SeattleMariners, Wow one year. The Mariners
were believed to be the final teamOtani had planned. And I'm reading this
word for word because you're gonna noticeeverything's in past tense, yes, which

(08:41):
I don't know what that means,but we'll talk about it here in a
moment. The Mariners were believed tobe the final team Otani had planned to
meet, with waiting preferably until theend of the inaugural Winter Meetings, which
ended today, with others to becompleted first or ended yesterday. I guess
the raining envy seemingly stood by hisprevious remarks that Seattle, an offseason training

(09:03):
location for him and other Japanese players, was a finalist when he was a
free agent the first time around,and that he remained, if not grew
in his admiration for the city sinceentering the major league baseball scene, as
is evident with his off season routine. Okay, dude, like bombshell.
I mean again, I don't knowwhere this is coming from. I don't

(09:26):
know if it's legitimate, but let'sjust entertain the possibility that it is.
Yeah, if he is was truthfulabout what he's been saying about Seattle,
and if he was saving us forlast, I mean, don't you do
that? Don't you save for live? Like the team you're gonna you think

(09:48):
you're gonna end up with? Haveyou ever heard best for Last? Chuck?
You know, you go get allthe intel, but what you really
want to do is come to termswith the last team that you see so
that you can just and be donewith it. Yeah, So if there's
any legitimacy to this at all,it looks like there was a very good
chance that you were going to getShoe Aotani. I don't think for one

(10:09):
year sixty five million dollars because hedoesn't have to sign that, right,
He's getting six hundred million dollar offersout there. I don't think he's signing
a one year, sixty five milliondollar deal with it with a team.
But the problem that the fear isthat everything written there was past tense.
Yeah, like, did this week'snonsense change his mind? Did the Mariners

(10:31):
pulled the offer off the table?Did they cancel the meeting? Like we
can't afford you anymore. Sorry,Bud. We really had a big plan
to woo you, but we wecan't offer you anything. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know whatto read it. I don't know what
to make of it now. Ididn't from the verbiage that you mentioned.

(10:52):
I didn't get that vibe from it. We can get into like the whole
situation financially with the Mariners here injust a second, but from what you
just read, it kind of justseemed like his team going into the discussions
before he had talked with anyone,was the Seattle Mariners, like you said,
Uh, and that's what he hadplanned. And maybe before their meeting,

(11:15):
the Mariners just threw out this offerof a sixty five million dollar one
year contract and they maybe they stillargue to meet. I don't know.
I didn't get the vibe that becauseof the situation with the Mariners that that
was ending again. Maybe it could. They didn't make any reference to that,
right, But why is everything writtenin past ten? Yeah? I

(11:37):
don't know when this stuff. Themeetings ended Wednesday of this week, and
so if he was saving the Marinersfor after the winter meetings, he's already
met with Toronto he's already met withthe Angels. Of course, he's already
met with the Dodgers. He's alreadymet with the Cubs according to Craig Council,
but not according to Craig Council.And he was saving Mariners for last.

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That meeting should be happening as we'redoing this podcast. As we're recording
this podcast, shoe Otani might bedown the street talking to the Mariners about
joining the team unless they canceled becauseof this week's news. Why is everything
written in past tense? I don'tknow. I don't know that that might

(12:22):
not even be real. I don'teven know. It could totally be just
a re editor online through the MLBlogo on their logo and there you go,
it's official. But yeah, terrificpoint. I mean, there's a
lot of that going on right now. Would you let's just go right into
it. Would you entertain a oneyear offer for sho hee a Tani?
Would that be something you'd be interestedin? Obviously, yeah, you want

(12:43):
the best player on your team,But would you feel like we could have
had him for longer if not forthe financial situation. I always felt from
the beginning that Shohy was going tosign a ten year deal with a two
year opt out. Okay, ifit's good enough for if somebody's going to
sign Nolan Aronado to that, thencertainly a Shoe Aotani case, best player

(13:03):
in the world, maybe best playerin the history of the world, who
is coming off of another elbow surgery, and his value two years from now,
when he's a two way player provesthat he's a two way player again
could skyrocket even further. So Ialways felt that he was going to take
the ten year deal with a twoyear opt out. But then once the

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salary, once the offers started beingspeculated that it's going to go up to
around six hundred million, Obviously hedoesn't need to do that. No,
he does not, So yes,the answer is yes, if he would
agree to play one year sixty fivemillion dollars, yes, let's put him
on that. We're not giving upanything for him prospect wise. This which
is why I didn't want Juan Soto, because I know one Soto would have

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only been here for one year,and I don't want to give up five
prospects for one year of one Sodo. Doesn't matter how much I like one
Soto or how much I dream ofhim and Julio in a line up together.
So yes, one year sixty Iwould take that. But I kind
of hope if this there's any legitimacyto this, that it's, well,
we don't really need to do ashort term offer. We're getting a lot

(14:13):
of money. Yeah, I mean, we're getting sixty million per year for
ten years, So can you dothat? Yeah? And what's the answer
on the other side, I don'tknow. I don't know either. Yeah,
that's crazy to think about. Okay, Well, that's nd to chew
on a little bit. For youMariner fans, you would you want show
Hey just for one year with thepossibility of him leaving next year. For
some people, I feel like italmost be kind of bittersweet because you feel

(14:37):
like you had a chance at thethe free agent of the last ten years
at least h and you got him, but only for one year, and
then it would feel that much worsewhen, if, and when he left
after that. Well, if we'reto believe this week's stories of the Mariners
ownership financial woes and they've got toget their house in order and they got
to get their new TV deals set, then if you in your meeting,

(15:01):
say can we place hold you oneyear sixty five so that we can get
our financial affairs in order. It'sa dangerous game, of course, because
then that comes off to show heyas a team that is broke. And
I don't know if I if Ihave the choice of the litter as Showya
Tani, I don't know if that'sthe team that I want to go to.
I'm with you thousand, but they'reyou know if if that's the reason

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they're only offering the one year deal, right, they have to be honest.
I'll take the one year deal,yeah, rather have the ten year
deal. Okay, But I youknow, every every time you just want
to move on, and just likethis isn't going to happen, and I
don't think it's going to happen,you get some little nugget thrown out there

(15:46):
that kind of keeps the flame flickering. I'm telling you, man, I
don't know what it is about,just random little stories like this of the
John Hayman stuff. I have aweird feeling about nice Impression too. Actually,
I have a weird feeling. Ihave a really weird feeling that show
he might be a seattle Mariner.I don't know what it is. I

(16:07):
went into this whole thing that arebound from Jesus, the pr nightmare of
the last three months. It wouldall be forgotten instantly if he became a
Seattle Mariner, even if it wasfor one year. I think people would
understand like you did. But youcould to get the best player and let's
go win the World Series this yearlike that. That solves a lot of
issues and then you can figure outthe rest down the road. I don't
know, man, I I wentinto this offseason thinking, no way,

(16:30):
we get him, we need that. It was dumb that we kind of
put all the eggs into this basket. We should have done more in the
last two offseasons. We uh,you know, needed to capitalize on this
core a little bit more. There'sno chance that you know, he signs
here. He wants to go toa winner. But I have a weird
feeling like all this secrecy and likeit from all accounts, he wants to

(16:51):
be he likes this area. I'llsay that. I think there's there's a
very good chance that the Mariners areat least one of the final two or
three teams that chooses between I'll saychance, I won't go to very good.
Okay, if I could nitpicked asanything that you said in that comment.
We do have a good team,Yeah we do. It's not like
this is a bad team. It'sborder We can talk about this in a

(17:14):
second. It's falling towards average atthis point with this faster. Yeah,
they've they already needed bats and they'vegotten rid of three of them in this
offseason. But I'm just saying,like the last three years, and I
just want to be clear. Yeah, I don't want to spend this podcast
defending this organization this week necessarily.I don't want to be that guy.

(17:36):
But one thing that I think toomany people are spreading out there is this
is not a bad team. No, you won eighty eight games three years
in a row. You would havemade the playoffs three years ago had they
had the same amount of playoff teamsthat they have now. And look,
I'm not trying to make excuses forthem. They should have made it this

(17:56):
year and they underachieved. But ifColton will is just bad and not atrocious,
you're making up that game. Youmake up that game, anything can
happen in the playoffs. We saidthey were built for the playoffs. They
were better than the Arizona Diamondbacks,and they made it all the way to
the World Series, and they werewithin a weekend of being winning the West,

(18:18):
and the Texas Rangers won the WorldSeries, So we weren't that far
away. Like right now, asconstructed, I mean, fangrafs is still
saying this is a playoff team.I mean, we got to do things
to make this a playoff team,but arguably the best young rotation in the
entire sport, with arguably the bestyoung building block in the entire sport.

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I mean, there are things tobe excited. There are a lot of
things to be angry about, butthere are still a lot of things to
be excited. Yeah, and Ithink where a lot of the frustration comes
in. I totally agree with you. This is a good team. And
that's why I think me and alot of others are as frush traded as
they are. It's because I don'twant to just be a playoff team.

(19:04):
I don't want to have it bea margin so slim that one player underachieving
more than you expected. Is thedifference between you making the playoffs and you
not. Like you mentioned with ColtonWong. So I want it to be
where you build the team, whereyou have that room for error, and
I think that's you could talk aboutthe Texas Rangers. That's kind of what
they did, like obviously spending themoney on two huge free agents, but

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they have a young core as well, and then they supplemented that at the
trading deadline. They made sure thatnothing was going to happen that would make
them miss the playoffs, even witha little bit of a down month in
August of twenty twenty three. SoI criticized the Mariners, I mean harshly
for not doing anything right the tradingdeadline, and the Rangers did because the
Rangers were losing grip on it.Yes, but I mean the Rangers more

(19:53):
so than anything, won the WorldSeries because nearly everyone on their roster at
a career year, even Seeger andSimmi and yeah, maybe not Simeon because
m VP A year with the A'sis last year with the As and the
Toronto too. Even Seger had hisbest year of his career. Josh Young
is young, Yeah, best year, best year, so there. Jordan

(20:17):
Montgomery was better than he actually iswith with the Range, I agree.
So so there didn't. They caughta lot of fire that way, and
I don't know if any Mariner hadtheir best year. So that's just that's
You're right, Why operate with sucha small margin of eras if you don't
have to? Well, now let'sget into why we have to. There

(20:41):
was some Mariner news. We've beenwaiting a little bit to get to it.
Uh. We talked about the HenoSuarez trade the last two episodes and
hoping that that would lead to somethingmore. Something more did happen. Jared
Kilnick, Marco Gonzalez, and EvanWhite have been traded to the Atlanta Braves
for I forget Coar and hey yeah, Jackson Cole cor and oh, oh

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gosh, we should have wrote thisdown Phillips, Phil Cole Phillips, Yeah,
yeah, again, that tells youeverything you need to know about us.
To baseball nuts, trying to rememberwhat the Mariners got back in return
for those guys, Well, theygot two one hundred mile per hour throwers.
One of them has had a fewSIPs of coffee and the Majors and

(21:29):
can't throw strikes, and the otherone is twenty years old and has not
thrown a professional pitch yet, butwas a very highly touted high school prospect
who they anticipate, through medical breakthroughs, will throw one hundred miles per hour
himself. Yeah, once he's healthyand recovered. I don't have a lot
of hope for Jackson kar but thiscole Phillips guy could end up being something.

(21:52):
I will say this. The ETAthat MLB dot com subscribes to him
as twenty twenty seven. Okay,so I think he's a little ways away,
and I think co Ar is probablya bullpen piece yeah going forward,
which could work. Yeah. Imean, Woodworth's a genius. So give
p Woodworth one hundred mile per hourpitcher who at one point showed a lot

(22:14):
of promise in the Royals organization.Odds are he'll fix him. Yeah,
He's done it every single time withevery other hard throwing picture in this organization.
Is that worth giving up one ofyour biggest trade pieces. No,
but that's not the reason why theygave up one, and you know that.
Yes, Yeah, so we obviously, once again we're going to go
into the main reasoning for this trade. Most are speculating and are probably correct

(22:37):
and are correct that it is asalary dump for Evan White who was set
to make nine million. I thinknext year Evan was seven, Marco was
twelve, okay, and then Jaredis seven to seventy. Yeah, a
low salary, but he is ahe. The brain's not the dumps.
They dumped nineteen million in pay,right, But you have to take on,
like we have to give the Bravesome value, which Jared Kilnick in

(23:00):
order to take on those two salaries. Yes, it's more of a basketball
trade, yes, than it isa baseball t Yeah, that's right.
I didn't really think about that.Yeah, where you give someone a young,
good player for taking in two overpaidplayers at the same time. So
mariagers are basically dumping more salary theygot rid of. What is that Now,

(23:21):
it's like close to sixty million ifyou I think it's fifty. So
you were I mean Tayo made fourteenlast year, but he was scheduled to
make twenty. So you decided notto spend the twenty eleven on Gino thirty
one and then the nineteen on Marco. That gets you to fifty. Now
you had to throw in four anda half in the trade, right,

(23:44):
and then Urreas makes four and ahalf. Okay, so it's so nine.
So now you're around thirty one millionthat you saved. Yeah, and
I really don't believe that it's aI don't know. I don't want to
defend this organization. But Jerry isso like weirdly transparent with all of this,

(24:10):
So you kind of have to.Whenever a general manager tells you their
secret fifty four percent game plan,you have to take everything you say tell
you. He just takes. Hedoes. He's just way too honest with
stuff and it gets him in trouble. So when he says we should have
very likely that will have a higherpayroll, I'm at least going to assume
that they'll have as large a payrollas they did a year ago, and

(24:33):
so thirty million dollars to spend andprobably not anymore. Yeah, Okay,
well, let's there was one morequote from Jay to Poto. It sucks
because this, like, like yousaid, I you either had two hopes
for Jerry Kelnick next year, onethat he would kind of continue his breakout

(24:55):
and be a big piece of thislineup going forward, or number two where
you used him in a big tradepiece to get someone a little bit more
proven for you. Know, youknow, someone would be willing to take
on a younger, possibly top endplayer with that plays good defense, left
handed, hard contact hitter obviously strikesout a lot, but it showed a

(25:15):
breakout ability in twenty twenty three toget someone more proven, And that's kind
of out out the window now becauseyou had to throw them into a trade
in order to get rid of somesalary. So that was the value that
you got rid of in order toget some back for money. So the
reality of it is this leaves youwith less options and you need to do

(25:37):
more even more now. We talkedabout this even after the Auheno trade,
that they are making themselves, puttingthemselves in a tough situation, making it
harder on themselves to make this teamoffensively better than it was in twenty twenty
two, which would it was ourtwenty twenty three, it was already challenged.
So I don't know how this isgoing to all plan out, but
at this point it's not looking greatfor the Seattle Mariners, at least on

(26:00):
the offensive end. And then well, the impetus behind it is, and
we've covered this in past stoves.The impetus behind these moves. They were
clearly told by ownership, right,you're not going to have the money that
you thought you had. I thinknow we can trace this all the way
back to the trading deadline. Okay, because that I just didn't make any

(26:22):
sense to me. Yeah, you'renot in a you've you've gotten past the
rebuilding. You don't get to thetrading deadline when your team got back in
it and sell that. That nevermade any sense to me. I railed
about it. Maybe now we know. Maybe Jerry was told then you can't
buy, there's some financial stuff.And then they went into the offseason and

(26:47):
I think I think they were justinHollander was indignant at the fifty four percent
press conference. He was indignant,money is not an issue. We have
all the rows we need. Whywould you put yourself out there if that
wasn't true. Yeah, because it'sonly going to make you look bad as
a front office, like you're notspending the resources that you've been allocated.

(27:11):
Yeah. And then obviously something changedafter that press conference, and so Jerry
was told, you're going to operateat your budget from a year ago and
probably not anymore. So if youwant to add to this team, get
creative and that's what he did.We're not bringing back Taale, We've got

(27:36):
to cut down on strikeouts. Ginoeleven million dollars salary, he's on the
last year of his contract, andWhite is not going to contribute, it
doesn't look like and Marco is notgoing to contribute to at least the All
Star break, and so for him, the way I read it is,

(27:57):
I can spend that fifty million dollarsbetter than what we're currently on the path
to do. So if I gotto get creative, I got to get
somebody Like this is Major League Baseball. Everybody carries bad money on their roster
a little bit. Well, Whiteand Marco were bad money on this team,

(28:22):
and so if I can't add toit, then I got to figure
out a creative way to get moneyto spend it the way I want,
which is not on Evan White andMarco Gonzalez. And that came at the
cost of Jared Kelnick in order tocreate that. So that's it. I
mean, I don't know this fora fact, but that feels very much
to me like what happened here.And so the team, you've got thirty

(28:47):
million dollars to spend it, itfeels like to try to not just make
you better than what you were atthe end of last year, but you
also now have to compensate for thelosses of Kelnick just to make yourself as
good swore As and Tayo. Yeah, and I don't I don't know enough
to really have a strong opinion onthe ownership situation. And you know how

(29:11):
much money they make and if theyif they are right to be owning the
team or anything like that. There'sa lot of people calling for them to
sell the team. I don't wantthis to turn into a whole like financial
podcast. The reason I like talkingabout baseball is I like thinking about players
that could play for the Seattle Maritorsand what can make that happen. But

(29:32):
obviously they're What Justin Hollanders said atthe end of the season seems to be
not true at this point. Theylied. They lied to you, Anders,
they lied to me. I meanyou were there. They lied to
our listeners. I'm not talking aboutJustin and Jerry and Scott. I'm talking
about ownership. Ownership obviously lied tothose three or at least renegged. Yeah,

(29:57):
I mean, if something changed behindthe scenes again deceived. I'm with
you as well. I don't reallylike to talk about things that I don't
really have factual information. I don'tknow if there's a fountain of money in
the back that just that they justdecide to swim in rather than spend it
on the Mariners. That's just Imean it just it definitely feels like whenever

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you want to sell a franchise,it sure is more valuable than it was
a month ago, much less fortyyears ago. But I can't speak to
that. But there's no question eitherthey reneged on their promises to Jerry and
Justin, which in turn forced themto lie to me and you and every

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media member in town, who thenpassed that information on to the fan base.
Yeah, and then so they liedto all of us about the direction
of this team. We went througha rebuild that's a painful experience for any
sports franchise, much less one thathas never been to the World Series.
And so you go through the rebuild, it's going swimmingly. You finally get

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in a position to win, andthey decide to tighten the purse strings and
so you live with a lackluster,let's say, off season of last year
because they did make moves and theydid add two payroll last last offseason,
but it wasn't as much as wewanted. So you live with that,
and then the results are that youtook a little step backwards in terms of

(31:30):
production, and then you feel like, but this year we can jump forward.
Yeah, and then you find outno, we're tight tightening it a
little bit more. So what changedis my question? Don't know. There
was a story apparently Root Sports.Yeah, I was gonna say, there
was a story just yesterday in theSeattle Times. It's funny Ian mentioned this

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on his show. There were twostories that ran conjunctly about Root Sports,
one from the crack and perspective andone from the Mariners effect of saying that
you know, obviously have different thingsabout it, but the Kraken we're calling
for it to be a local TVdeal and not make it on an RSN

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regional sports network, especially one thatis being now having to have the upgraded
package and cable with Exfinity, whichthe majority of TV consumers in the Seattle
area use in terms of cable,and from the marriage perspective, it's that
their valuation of that RSN the RegionalSports Network is not as high as it

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was expected to have. And doyou think that has the Do you think
that's the main reason why they're havingto tell Jerry that you can't spend as
much money. We don't know,but I guess that's it. Yeah,
I mean I've been I've heard itas a very legitimate thing. Now,
if that's just a cop out thatthat I can't speak to, I really
can't speak to ownership. And I'mjust gonna say this, yeah, because

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I mean, I've had to defendthis team for the last three years in
the face of an awful lot ofcritics, last four year, ever since
the rebuild started, so five years, twenty seventeen years, in the face
of an awful lot of criticism.And I have supported it because number One,
I believed in the rebuild. Yep, I believed it was time to
rebuild. And then I believed inthe rebuilt. As a matter of fact,
I thought the rebuild went even betterthan I dreamed possible. And then

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we got to watch the playoff troutend and we've had three years of winning
baseball. Here. This is nota bad team. It's not even a
mediocre team. It's been a goodteam. It's falling short of being a
great team, but it's it's beena good team the last three years.
So I've defended that aspect. I'mnot going to sit here and defend an
ownership group. I don't know enoughabout it on the back side. All

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I know is that they misled notjust the fans, they misled their own
executive office. And maybe it isn'tit a lie. Maybe that's too strong
a word, right, it's atleast a re We promised you this,
and now we've got to reneg onthat. If fans reaction, and I
know that a lot of them areangry, is I can't support this name,

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then don't support it. I havenever, in thirty three years as
a talk show host, ever toldanybody how to spend their money. Never,
not one time. Yeah, youdon't want to spend money on this
product, that's really your only way. You think you being angry on Twitter

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is having any kind of effect onthe Seattle Mariners day to day operations.
The only way you can really affectit is to not go to the ballgame,
not buy merchandise, you know,not buy merchandise. That's how you
let your I'm the person that saysI'm the only person in the country that
says this anders the Cleveland Browns fansare suckers. They're not great fans,

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No, they're idiots. Yeah,they fall for every single plan that the
Browns have. They go to everygame, they go to every game.
They bought more John Manzell jerseys,then at least he had at least he
led them to the play at leastit was decent, unlike John fraud.
But they they've fallen for every plan. As I think as a fan base,

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you do have to have a littlebit of a backbone and you just
can't fall for wonderful summers in theyou know, out out of the ballyard.
If you want to hold their feetto the fire, you got one
way to do it, and that'snot to go there. So if anybody's
ever like, oh, he's justa ball washer, he's just trying to
kiss the US or the organization,never have I ever done that, And

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so this should clear that up onceand for all, because if they I've
said this on my radio show,and I'm saying an air on the podcast,
and believe me, I do havefriends over there and they don't want
me to say this. I don'tcare if you go to games, you
don't, you don't care. It'snot my responsibility to say Mariners ownership on

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you. The fans. Obviously theyare historically cheap, and obviously something has
happened with their coffers that they havepulled the rug out from underneath Jerry's and
Justin's plan to make this better.So that angers you to the point that
you want to do something. Youronly act is to not go to the

(36:21):
games. Not by the merchandise,not by the hot dogs, not by
the beers. But I am goingto continue until my last breath, my
dying breath, to tell you thatthe rebuild was a great idea, that
it went really well, that wehave not had a bad team the last
three years. We've had a goodteam the last three years, and we
should continue to as long as they'rebeing forthright about the money that we just

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kicked. We are reinvesting into theproduct, and they can do it.
They can build a better team withjust thirty million dollars. Later in the
podcast, I'm gonna show it toyou. I'm gonna prove it they can
do it. But you know,if you if you've had enough, then
you've had enough. Then you know, stop complaining. Okay then, and

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stop stop this exaggerating how bad itis because it's not. And I'll say
one last thing, and I knowI've been ranting for a while. One
hundred and forty millions can win aworld championship. One hundred million can win
a world championship. The Tampa BayRays Damn Near won a world championship twice
with a sixty million dollar payroll.The Baltimore Orioles won one hundred games last

(37:34):
year with an eighty million dollar payroll. I mean, this is not a
death sentence to find out that yourpayroll is gonna get stuck at one hundred
and forty million. This team's preparedfor that because the rebuild went so well.
All right, So this is nota death sentence. We don't have
to slide backward. It's just goingto be up to them Anders. They've

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got to make the right moves.And if you're not gonna spend money,
then what's your other currency prospects?Prospects? Yes, so you can't have
a death grip on Jonathan Classe anymore. No, you can't just hug the
leg Emerson Hancock. Now, ifAmerson Hancock to keep him from leaving your

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organization. You need to make twotrades at least involving young prospects controllable prospects
to bring in the bats that youneed to make this team better. But
it can be done. Before weget into what can be done, how
do we fix this? I wantto know personally what your tipping point is.

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What would be your tipping point withnot being like a fan of this
franchise. Obviously you're a baseball fanand you live in Seattle, so that's
going to continue for most people.I think people get angry on Twitter because
they just want to see their teambeing good. But what would be your
tipping point to where you would Idon't want to say lose hope, but

(39:02):
have would start to turn on whatyou think is a well built baseball team.
Well, first of all, ifif they don't make good on the
thirty yeah million, if they keepthis roster that they have now, all
right, then it's unforgivable, Okayto put your fan base through that,

(39:27):
to have done such good work andthen not see it through, Yeah,
I find that unforgivable. I'll saythat there's a tipping point beyond that though.
Yeah, and this is my fear, and this is what every baseball
fan, and because I know thereare great baseball fans in this town,
this is a this is a greatbaseball is a baseball city, period.
This is a summer city, yes, and what sport is played in the

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summer, that's right. And it'sa beautiful ballpark and there are a lot
of reasons to go out there.When the Mariners are good, it is
the biggest buzz in the town byand when they get great, this this
is going to be unbelievable. Andthey got a chance to be great for
ten years. Yeah, they reallydo if they do things the right way.
But here's the downside. When Isay don't go to the games,

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I don't care. I have apress pass, I go for free.
Yeah. I realize not everybody's gotthat right ability, and I sympathize with
that. That's why I've never toldpeople to spend their money. The downside
of it is you don't go,you don't support it when you know you
love it and you know you wantto be there win if and when they
do win a championship. But ifyou don't support it, it doesn't sound

(40:34):
like we can trust this ownership.Group, not John Stanton, the ownership
group group, and they'll freaking tradeJulio next year. No, that's that's
the that's the reality of things.When you don't trust an ownership group,
then you might as well trust themto do the most despicable thing they could
do to the organization right now.And so that's that's I mean, there's

(40:55):
a double edge to every sword.You want to swing it, but you
just want to yell on Twitter.But then if you do, if you
do act, if you do wantto storm the castle, there's a chance
you could die. Yeah, that'sthat's how it works. You want to
storm the castle, take down theking, overthrow the king. There's a
chance you could die. That's howit's worked throughout medieval history. So you

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know there's a there's a tug andpoll here anders and so my tipping point,
I will be furious if they don'timprove this roster this offseason and make
it World Series caliber, okay,And I will probably just give up on
the Mariners the day if they tradedJulio, I would probably just wash my

(41:42):
hands that we're getting the NBA soon. That's a sad reality, man,
If that is that actually is thecase, and I don't know if that's
the right. I'm just saying that'sa possibility. Yeah, I'm with you.
I think I don't want to putanyone in that situation where, oh
you would do that. But ifthat's what it, that's what matters to
them. After promising everything to usfor the last what five years of this

(42:07):
rebuild and even longer for Mariners fansthat have waited even longer than that to
have a good team since it's beentwenty three years now, I don't know
how that is something that even isin the realm of possibility, because you
could still have a bad team andhave a good player and sell tickets and
make money. Just that would bethat would be crazy if that happened.

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That's all I say. How dothey fix it? Though? I know,
I know you've got some solutions forus? How do they fix what
they have here? What? Whatis a everything is okay solution to this
this offseason? Well, this willbe Chuck's choice today. I've got a
couple of trades. And this isn'tto say that I know exactly what it
takes to get these players. Hereis one route that we could take.

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Yeah, and I don't know.Maybe maybe I'm under selling these offers or
overselling the right I don't know.I'm just saying that if you're saying we
only have thirty million to spend becausewe created thirty million, right, you
can still get accomplished everything you wantto have accomplished, but you have to
trade prospects. Okay, how doyou do? I'm going to Tampa.

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Okay, we've already heard the ArosArena rumors, right, So I want
Randy a rose Arena. Love that. I honestly love him as a player.
I'd be so excited can Yes.And by the way, he is
not another Tao. No, he'snot God No, he is not absolutely
not. Fifty points higher on base, fifty points higher open defense, twenty

(43:42):
percent hired WRC steels bases, yeah, so younger, yeah, and one
of the most clutch hitters in thesport. Yeah, he's stop. He's
the real deal, man. AndI'm not going to even entertain this stuff
anymore for people that have only heardof fifteen players in the league, and
if we don't sign two of thosefifteen then it's all lost. Randy or

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Rose Arena is a legitimate star,and on the cusp of superstardom. Yes,
so if he's really available, anIceock paradees is your third base.
Good third basement. I'd still thinkit would be a slight downgrade on au
Heno Suarez, but in terms ofvalue, this is this would be a
good recuperation. fIF twenty eight homeruns yep, only makes four million dollars
a year. Yep. They're bothentering arbitration, their first year of arbitration,

(44:28):
so you've got them for three moreyears beyond this, yep. And
yeah, that number's gonna grow,but hopefully the Mariners get their financial stuff
in order. Yep. And thenI'm gonnadd Zach Lttel because I'm gonna give
up a pitcher and I want alittle bit of an arm back. Yeah,
I want an arm back, andI need a veteran arm and he
can be a number five starter,but I need some sort of insurance because

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I'm giving away Bryce Miller, I'mgiving away Jonathan Classe, and I'm giving
away Prelander Barroa because it sounds likethat's what Tampa is looking for arms.
Okay, so I don't know ifthat gets the job. I'm just giving
you a ballpark area that's an eightrank prospect in your system, a sixteenth
rank prospect in your system, andan established one year player in the sport

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that at times looked like an AllStar. Yeah. I take that in
a heartbeat hundred percent. I loveRandy Rosevena. He's been one of my
favorite players in the league the lastthree years. Ever since that twenty twenty
World Series run for the Tampa BayRays, he kind of broke out.
He's awesome. He's so fun towatch. Just electric on the field,
can play left field or right field, good defense, steals bases, gets

(45:37):
on base, has power, hehas all the tools. Lead man.
Yeah, he's a bad man,all right, any good way, So
I've added the So there's two.We need at least four. Okay,
So I'm gonna pull another one ofthese. I'll take two guys off your
roster. Trades. The Minnesota Twins, somebody we've already talked about. They're
trying to shed payroll as well.They're shedding payroll. They locked up mac

(46:00):
Kepler and Jorge Poloncoe for the solepurpose of trading them. Okay, Like
people that chet payroll don't pick upa club option for ten million dollars on
two players that are probably like fourteentwelve to fifteen million dollar players. Yeah,
so they did not They're not gettinggreat savings now on that by giving

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them both their ten million dollars.They don't want to lose them for nothing.
But they didn't want to lose themfor nothing. So I want them
both, okay, okay, andI don't have to give nearly a suite
of package for them if you're especiallyif they're trimming payroll. Okay, look
at Alex Verdugo for example, Right, that's somebody that we brought up in
the past. He didn't get tradedfor as much as I put in my

(46:43):
Crystal Ball No podcast is crazy crystalBall forecast. I mean he got for
three nothing prospects for the New YorkYankees. Ye. So all right,
we're asking for two Verdugos, andI think Kepler's a little bit better than
Verdugo. Yeah, I agree,So we got to give some thing,
But obviously we don't have to givethat much for expiring contracts in an organization

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that's trying to trim payroll. Bothone year deals, right, uh,
both have both are on their lastdeal, both got club options for one
year. Ye. So I wantthem both, and I've got this surplus
of middle endfielders. You can haveyour choice. You want Cabbyiro, he's
only got one year. He showeda little bit. Yep, you can
have him. Deemo, Yeah youcan. You can have any of them.

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Yeah, any one of them you'regonna have. You can have two
of them. I don't care,okay. And then I got this sudden
surplus of fringe, left handed hittingoutfielders who might have a future in the
majors, Kate Marlowe, Dominic Canzone, Taylor Tremmeel, and Zach DeLoach.
I really can only I really onlyneed one of them. Take two of

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them. So you're gonna have yourchoice. And so I got Kabayaro.
Let's say Taylor tremill because I thinkthere's still belief out there that he could
he could tap into something. SoI'm giving you a Tremmeel, I'm giving
you Cabyiro, and then I'm gonnagive you another prospect between let's say fifteen
and twenty, okay, low end, lower end prospects. And if I

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have to sweeten it to ten totwenty, then I'll say ten to twenty.
Yeah, okay, so now Ihave added for the grand total give
them cole Phillips seriously, for thegrand total of thirty one million dollars in
pair? What did I what didwe say we had to work with?
Thirty million, thirty million, thirtyplus. I've shed some because I got

(48:29):
rid of Cabierra, and so I'vegotten you under your new budget that we
all hate. Yeah, I've gottenyou four good offensive players. Yeah,
and yes it costs prospects, butI still didn't touch. I mean,
when's Jonathan Classe going to beat Julioout in center for I don't think so
any time soon. Is he olderthan Julio two? He might be.

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I think he might be. Soso you've got some You've got some depth
here to work with. And andlook, I still have a starting rotation
plus one or two if I thatcorrectly. I still have a starting rotation
of Castillo, Kirby, Gilbert WuHancock with Lttel as my emergency, and

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Ray showing up at the All Starbreak. And now my lineup check this
out. Now. My lineup isJP leading off at short, Julio hitting
second, and center, A RoseArena hitting third, and left field.
Cal is my switch hitting clean uphitter. I've got Kepler. No,

(49:37):
I don't want to hit Kepler.There parades fifth at third base, Kepler
sixth and right field. He getsleft yep France seventh at first base.
Uh, seventh hitters not bad?No, No, I know, I
just always yeah. And then andthen I've got one of my left with

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I got eight to ninth, soI've got second base. Oh, I
got Polonko. Still, I stillgot Polanco. I got Polanco hitting eighth
and he's my designated hitter, andthen ninth or he's second base. It's
fine. I got Rojas and Uriusto platoon. All right, that's a
World Series team. Yeah. Imean that's not a great offensive lineup,

(50:24):
but with that pitching. But withthat pitching that wins you the world.
That is an upgraded team, yes, from twenty twenty three. For that
keeps you under budget. Yes,So I'd be happy with that. The
only thing that I'm worried about withthat is after the Kellenick trade, Jerry
Depoto was quoted saying and asked abouthaving to deal arms for things that come

(50:49):
back, So that would be includingthe Bryce Miller thing. And I'm sorry,
Jerry, you got to do something. Yeah, you do. This
is the point. If you're notgoing to spend, which apparently you've had
that power taken away from you,then you have to give up prospects.
And your strength is your pitching,and it's the most valuable commodity on the
market. Yeah. That's why youcan get Randy or Rose Arena when normally

(51:10):
you can't. Yeah, because youhave young pitching to trade, right,
So you have to do it.Yeah. And he didn't say that it
he just said it was less likely, right, But the way I read
that, and especially kind of followingthe rumors how the Rosarina and Pretis was
as hot as it was and thenit really cooled down. We haven't heard

(51:30):
much about it since then. Ithink they offered a trade that's similar to
that, and maybe the Rays declinedit. Maybe again, I don't know,
I might be off. I'll sweetenit. Yeah, Like you have
to do something. Yeah, Iagree, you don't. You don't have
a choice, right, and sinceyou're not going to be able to get
free agents, you know, becausethey eat up a lot of space,

(51:52):
right, Like Snell's out of thequestion. Right, we only got thirty
million to work with. That's twentyfive at least at least. Yeah,
and you've got four bats defined yeah, so you don't have a choice.
So I want to do two ofthese two for one kind of deal or
two for two for kind of deals. They're not two for one, two
major league players for maybe one majorleague player and a couple prospects sort of

(52:14):
deal. Yes, yeah, that'swhat I want to do. It can
be done. Yeah, And Idon't think I mean, I might be
off a little bit, but Idon't think I'm out in left field.
No, no, no, no. I think that's a fair value for
both sides in both of those trades. And like I said, I think
that's an upgraded team from twenty twentythree. That's a that's a more upgraded
team from twenty twenty three to twentytwenty four than twenty twenty two to twenty

(52:37):
twenty three. Agreed, And thatis something that I'm looking for. Fast
the ball, and play more.Yes, everybody that I meant nobody's a
big strikeout or left candid hitters.There's a great balance between righty and left.
A couple switch hitters thrown in aswell. So I got Kepler and
uh Polanco for you. And Iyeah, even though he's a switch hitter,
right and I got a Rosarine andparades for Jerry, who apparently thinks

(53:00):
he'd right handed hitters more than weneed left handed hitters, which we disagree
with. Yeah, so yeah,no, I'm with you on that.
I like I said, I justthink Randy is a huge piece of that.
I'm a huge fan of his.I really want him to come here
because I think he would be aninstant fan favorite here, instant fan favorite,
and probably great friends with Julio.They'd be with each other in the

(53:22):
outfield. Plus he had some personality, this attitude. Yeah, that's what
I was gonna say, which welost a little bit both sides of it
with more of the good vibes Genoand then the winner, very serious,
competitive Jared Kelnick. He lost someof that with those two trades. He's
a little bit in between those twoguys. He is. He has fun,

(53:43):
but he's like a gamer. Yeah, he plays hard every single game,
which again I think he's going toendear himself to the fans big time
with that. I love it.I I'd really like that. I hope
that's something that is in the ballparkand the possibility. Plus you know,
maybe maybe you signed Showy. Idon't know, we'll see what happens.
Well, it's show that's pretty muchit. Yeah, I mean, based
on what we heard this year,that's that's gonna be your ball team.

(54:06):
Yeah, you know that's going tobe your improvements. Welcome to row Us
at second, Ureeus at third,right, you know, if that's what
Welcome to Dominic canzone in one cornerand Zach Deloch and the other right.
You know, that's that's your teamat that point if you signed shows So
you don't think they could do theshow? Hey, plus the Randy trade

(54:27):
because the Randy trade doesn't really addpayroll of their team that much. Yes,
they could do that. Yeah,yeah, I'd like to think they
could do that. I think sotoo. I just don't know. I
just don't believe. I just wejust have no idea what happened this week.
Yeah, So it's it's it's justsucks and I hate it for Mariner
fans out there and so uh,but there's a way around it. Like

(54:52):
I said, there are teams thatare having a lot worse. The Tampa
Bay Rays have made a contender everyyear. I mean the Oakland A's.
Think about this. If you're underforty and you were were an Oakland A's
fan, you never got to seea single ballplayer ripen every time somebody was
good, you knew there was ashelf life. Oh yeah, trading him
away. You know, here inSeattle, you have Julio locked up for

(55:15):
fifteen years, You've got Castillo lockedup, You've got I mean, you
got to watch Kyle seekers entire career. You got to watch Felix get extended
even though he wasn't nearly as goodand the big contract that he had as
he was in the first contract thathe had. Uh, you got to
see Robinson Cano brought in here.You got to see Nelson Cruz is arguably

(55:36):
four best years of his career.A's fans have not had that, you
know, So you know it's sortof Uh, I don't want to be
compared to A's fans though. That'slike, no, that's the lowest of
the LEA. You're right, butthat's that's what I'm reading out there,
like we're nothing but the A's Now. It's not even close to that.
You know, I feel bad foryou. I'm angry. I'm angry with
you. This time. But I'mtelling you there's still you can win easily

(56:01):
with one hundred and forty million dollarpayroll. Orioles fans dream of a one
hundred and forty million dollars pay roll. Yeah, I think that's that's a
little bit. I don't want tosay flash in the pan. What's the
word the phrase I'm looking for.They're gonna their payroll is gonna rise over
the next five or six years becausethey're all their best players are like rookies

(56:22):
and second year players. So,and that's another thing that we have to
think about with the Mariners here too. You're gonna have to if you want
to if you want to keep Kirby, oh yeah, if you want to
keep Logan Gilbert, if you wantto keep obviously, just trade kill Nick.
So that's not the picture. Butyeah, well even with my two
trades though, Kepler and Polonco,you're on from underneath those. Yeah,
at the end of the year.Yeah, so that frees up some money.

(56:44):
Say, if you get Randy,you have to think about extending him
past the three years if you want. Hopefully the affairs are in order and
hopefully the television deal is set,and hopefully John Stanton, who I'm pretty
sure is not the problem. Yeah, I think it's the other owners.
I think it's the majority of theowners that are the problem. That's something
I wanted to point out. Ialmost feel bad for him because he's the
only one that really like puts himselfinto the public light, so like everything

(57:07):
falls on him. But people forgetthat it's a group of what is it,
twelve people sixteen sixteen okay, ownersthat are all part of this,
so it's not just him, andhe gets like, oh John sin install
the team. It's like it's notjust him, not just him. Yeah,
yeah, and and and I thinkthat is an issue. Yeah.
I heard Puck talking about this earlierthis week. I think he's spot on.

(57:28):
Yeah, one chief, you know, when you have sixteen people making
the decision, that's what gets inthe way. Yeah, I agree,
it really does because now you've gota majority rule, and of those sixteen,
how many are really invested in Marinerbaseball and how many are really invested
in their investments? Right? Yeah? No, I agree, But you
have one guy, one swing andyou know what, Yeah, and that

(57:50):
guy makes the decisions. You're goingto have a more aggressive team. So
I wish the other fifteen would justsell off. I mean, you're gonna
sell the thing for three billion dollars, Yeah, just sell it off.
John keeps minority ownership and then weget a big, you know, majority
owner that Now you've just got twopeople that make decisions right instead of sixteen.

(58:15):
That's an issue. I think MarkCuban is asking the fifteen highest shareholders
with the Dallas Mavericks what he shoulddo. No, no, yeah,
you got to keep their interests inmind. Yeah, but you know you
need one guy or one woman.Yeah, that makes the big decision.

(58:35):
Oprah, Come on, Oprah,come on, come to see by the
Mariners. Oprah. What are youdoing all right? Giving away buicks?
Yeah, I won't even buy usa left fielder. It's forty omers.
I mean I'd be fine for that. She'd be a great spokesperson for the
Marriags, plus much better public speakerthan mister Trady Pedos. So anyways,
anyways, yeah, you get fiftyfour percent. Okay, Well, I

(59:04):
think this was therapeutic. I hope. So I want to know if we're
gonna end up yelling at each otheror what. But I went in,
I went in. I don't wantto say, I'm angry, to be
honest, this because this is whatI was afraid of for a long time.
So I was kind of mentally preparedfor this kind of stuff. But
I I I am more disappointed,I would say, so. I just
I have lost all the energy toreally hope this team makes a change.

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Uh maybe maybe it does still comemaybe be shine so hey and end up.
You know, all this money stuffis bs whatever. I don't I
don't know, uh, but allI know is there, like you said,
there's a solution that even in thisnew realm of budget, that we
can still create a good team nextyear. And I hope that that really
is what matters to to the Marinersand the Jujerry to Poto. Oh,

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this is how I operate, andI think most people would operate this way.
Don't catch me off, Gode.Tell me what your expectations are,
give me the parameters with then Ihave to operate to be successful. This
This goes for radio anything, thisgoes for running a candy shop. I
don't care what it is. Tellme what it is that I have to

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do. Give me a budget,tell me what I am, and then
let me figure that out. LikeI said, you can win it a
hunt with one hundred and forty milliondollars payroll. You can put together a
dynasty with one hundred and forty milliondollars pay roll. I'm not even making
that up. We can win theWorld Series next year. And in a
way, I'm not relieved. Iam angry, but at least we kind

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of know. Now I'm not goingcrazy anymore. That now I kind of
understand why we didn't do anything ofthe deadline. Now I kind of understand
why. I mean, it's right, right, exactly right now, I
kind of understand why they've been soweird this offseason. Now I understand why
Gino was traded. Now I understandwhy Hellniic was thrown into a deal.

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Okay, so now this is it, right, this is what I gotta
work with. Now, let mework within those parameters. Life and baseball.
Football is not this way. Footballsocialist baseball's capitalists. Baseball and life
are like a poker game. No, just whatever he cards you have in

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the whole, not everybody gets thesame cards. Right now, It's not
fair, right right off the bat. That's life. Some people are born
with a silver spoon in their mouth. Some people are born dirt poor with
rocks in their pockets. Same thingwith poker. But the great game.
The great thing about poker, andthe reason that it's such a great game

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is that if you outplay everybody getsin. Doesn't matter how high your chip
stack was to start, and itdoesn't matter, it doesn't even matter what
cards you're dealt if you play thegame the right way and the rules are
all the same and you don't haveanything that catches you off guard. Oh,
we're changing the rules today. Allof a sudden seven's this hand are

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going to be more about it.They're wild. Yeah. If I know
what the rules are, I'll acceptthe challenge of outplaying everybody at poker at
the table. Yeah. And that'sbaseball. It's not football, that's baseball.
Like the Tampa Bay Rays outplay almosteverybody in Major League Baseball with the
worst hands in the hole, withthe worst hand in the whole of anybody

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in the sport. Besides as well, besides it, Well, the A's
have had a lot of winning teams. They have. Don't sleep on the
A's, Oh I have. TheA's have made the playoffs six times in
the last fifteen years. You know, how many times the Jets have made
the playoffs in the last fifteen years. There there's zero. Okay, so
don't sleep on the A's. Butbut yeah, seriously, this is the
Baseball's a poker game. You don'thave to have the best cards. You

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don't have to have the highest,you know, stack of chips to start
the poker game, and you canstill win it all. You can still
win the bracelet. Yeah. Andso now that I know what we're operating
with, these are the conversations,Okay, Polanco and Kepler and a Rosarina
and parades. Yeah, those arethe ones I hope that they're having over

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there at Mariner headquarters. Yeah,I'm with you. The one thing I'll
say to end off here is it'shard for me to root for an organization
from the top. I'm not sayingthis is the Mariners. If this is
the case, it would be hardfor me to root for an organization from
the top that winning is not theirtop priority. And I get that that's

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not the reality of every single sportsteam, but it's something that I take
pride in with my favorite teams,whether it's the cracking, because I know
their ownership wants to win. Whetherit's my favorite soccer team, Manchester United,
I have the same issues with thembecause all their owners care about is
bringing in a bunch of money.They don't care about putting a winning team
on the field and competing for trophiesevery single year like the best teams do.

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That's why you love sports. Youdon't love it for making a profit.
So I get that there's a wayto do it, and it's and
it's kind of fun. Like yousaid, to outplay everyone with the cards
that you're dealt. I would ratherhave and it would make me feel much
better as a sports fan. Andagain, I know this isn't the reality.
Everything's a business now, but itwould make me feel better to root
for someone and an organization that that'swhat they care about, yeah, and

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that that's they'll do anything to makethat happen. And that's that's what I
love sports for. I don't Ido. I really don't know how many
owners care about that. I know, I know it's sad, and I
don't think the Mariners ownership group does. I don't think that they're one of
them. They're not. Jerry Jones, No, and he can't win,
even though that's all he all hecares about. Yeah, and he still
can't win. So I don't thinkthat you have that ownership group here,

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and I'm sorry to tell you that. I think I've always known that.
Yeah, and I don't think it'sgoing to change anytime soon. But as
long as you have somebody in theorganization, as long as the general manager,
winning is the privy. That's whatpissed me off about the trade deadline.
Why are we doing We went throughthe hard stuff. This is a

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fun time. This is make movesto put you over the top to get
into the playoffs every single year becauseyou got a shot at the World Series.
As long as you get into theplayoffs, I e. Arizona diamondback.
Yeah. So that's so, youknow, I don't know if I
felt that vibe in the last fourmonths that there was anybody other than the

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players and Scott right that that wasthe highest priority. Now I know it's
the ownership group that it's not Jerry. It's the ownership group that is the
person that clipped the wings and they'vebeen doing it every day since the trading
deadline, and he's been covering forthem. So it's out there now now

(01:05:54):
we know. So give me mypoker hand, and let's go to give
me some chips and a beer,and let's go to war. All right.
That'll do it for this episode ofStove. We'll crank it back up
again next week. Anders hearst ofcourse nerves with Durs also going on.
Maybe that's going to be a completelydifferent podcast this week. We'll see,

(01:06:15):
we'll see. But you can hearChucking Buck Monday through Friday from six to
ten in the morning, so you'llhear me do daily Stove on that.
But I hope you enjoyed this episode. We'll do it again next week.
Have a great weekend.