April 23, 2025 • 35 mins
Hour 2 of A&G features...
- Jack is sick as can be & very big Lizzo news!
- From the world of science
- People love what Trump is doing with the border & the left is moving more left
- The "Maryland father"...
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty.
I have seen the doctor and he has seen me.
Famous line from the movie Arthur Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So I joined the show an hour or two. So
here's what I did. Remember, do you remember anybody listening
to this show. Remember I was sick last week and
part of the week before, and assumed that I was
on the tail end of it, as I had been
to a doctor and they said it was, you know,
sort of thing that you'll have for ten days or whatever.
(00:54):
I went ahead with our scheduled trip to San Diego
that I had for the family and my son I
had started having this illness to and we both got
sicker during this trip. So it turned out to not
to be the greatest idea to try to go on
a vacation uh ill like this. My son has now
declared this is the sickest he's ever been yike, which
I think is true. I told the doctor yesterday, I said,
(01:14):
I'm old, and this is in the top five, certainly
of all time. But so when we were landed in
San Diego. Both of our heads are full of uh
whatever your head gets full of when you're sick, and
our ears. I thought my head was going to explode.
I thought my ears were going to explode. I've never
had that happen before ever. I mean, I've had some
ear pain on a plane before, but.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Never like this.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And my satary blood on passengers to your right and
left right.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
My son was a couple of seats away from He
was stomping his feet because he didn't want to yell
out loud.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And make a scene.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So much pain. He was just miserable. Couldn't release the pressure.
Oh no, we never have. There hasn't gone in five days.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Anyway. Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He mostly hung out in bed. My other son's perfectly healthy.
Luckily he didn't catch it, so God. We went cruising
around in a boat on the bay and did all
this stuff for a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Of days, and I was just dying.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
He just absolutely dying, you know, trying to keep the
vacation going.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So, has anybody slapped a name on this yet or
is it just a rest?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Really?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Is the only reason I bring it up because it
might be something to learn from this, something I didn't know.
So I went to the doctor yesterday, same doctor that
i'd seen a week earlier, and I said, tomorrow, which
is today, will be we a day fourteen. So I've
had this for fourteen days and if anything, it's getting worse.
It's certainly not getting better. And say they declared that
it's so everybody tests you for strip throat.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The sore throat is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's like you're swallowing a razorblade every time you swallow,
and it's been that way.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
For two freaking weeks. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Anyway, they said, everybody tests for strip throat, but there's
lots of bacterial in facts like strip throat that don't
have a name that they don't test for because they're
you know, they're not as popular or whatever. And you
have one of those. Yeah, So they gave me, they said,
the nuclear option of antibiotics for me and my son,
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and I'm sure we'll be fine in forty eight hours.
But I normally used only for end stage ebol of
patients in Africa, bol of patients who have gone a
rhea oh both before they usually give you this, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You're having a bad week.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, Well you gotta choose your mates, your romance is better.
Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I have tried to power through so many things in
my life with an illness, and usually successfully.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
This one did not work on vacation and Sam was dying.
I was just dying, just dying, like, how are we
going to go to the airport and do security and
do this whole thing? How we're gonna do it?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Was terrible. It's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh, we stayed on our friend Dave's boat and that
was cool.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, well, at least that's fairly RESTful. Right, No, there
is no resting. Nobody rested.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Everybody's coughing in parents looking for the positive side.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Ah wow, okay. So, but because I've.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Been quite sick, I haven't been following news. Tell me
what's the story my hair? If I had and he
was supposed to be on fire about today? What am
I supposed to be concerned about today?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I think the headline is that your head is being
blasted with the cooling waters of moderation and not on fire.
As Trump has come out and said, I have no
intention of.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Firing Jerome Powell. Oh Jerry, are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Man?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Him?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
We go way back and also in all these tariffs
on China, they're very, very high.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We should probably work out something better.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And so the markets yesterday reacted with oh thank god
and skyrocketed. Having crater in the previous day or two
and the whiplash of will he or won't he? What's
the official policy has continued. So financially speaking, we're on
the downward crest of a waiver or upward. I guess
upward is better, so that that's good.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I talked to a small businessman in San Diego about
the tariffs, off to tell that story later, and he's
telling me what it was going to do to him.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Just wipe him out. Really, Yeah, because all this stuff
comes from China.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Did you say anything about how long it would take
him or how expensive it would be to retool his
supply lines and remake his business for a new world.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
His particular thing of selling stuff that he gets from China.
He just wouldn't be doable. I don't think. Okay, yeah,
what was I going to say?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Then I did listen to Hi Katie, how are you?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm doing better than you, Jack.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Most people usually are. I mean, yeah, again, that's not
much of a statement. Yeah, was I gonna say o,
not in general. I'm not joining on with that. That's
just that would be abusing a second man I just met.
In terms of your physical health, debatable, Yeah, okay, true,
I'm just I'm probably probably below average most of the time.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Somebody's got to be right exactly, just statistically doing a
favor to the above average.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're a giver, Joe, Stop beating the sick guy.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We'll stay in the United States of America. To be fair,
half of the country is below average. Their lives are
going below average, So it's not hard to believe that
I'm in that half. I think I can see the
line from here like the fife right right. Sure, anyway,
I probably have days where I'm slightly above average.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
But I'm supposed to let you guys know that.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
The actual news story of the day is that Lizzo
has announced that she's lost sixteen percent of her body fat.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I noticed when she was the musical guest on SNL
a couple of weeks ago. That's not the same a
Lizzo as before. It's just much half a Lizzo. Yeah,
I was half a Lizzo. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm in the camp of if Lizzo assassinates the president
or cures cancer. I want to hear about her, but
otherwise no, but that was her whole act was fat acceptance.
And look how beautiful I am at this weight. So
why is she musing.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
All the weight?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Probably because it was killing her, because obesity is incredibly unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And then remember she had all those backup dancers who
were every bit as big as her, and then she
made fun of them for being fat.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yes, somehow I got in trouble for that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
All right, thank you for weighing in with that, Katie,
No pun intended, right, Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yes, yes, hey, Well one thing I did listen to
a podcast that explained how Trump absolutely has the power
too or should have the power to fire Jerome Powell.
There is a law that he can't, but that law
is clearly unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And if they fire are.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
We talking about Humphreys Executor Jack, the famous Supreme Court case.
I don't know, but as the head of the executive
branch and he hires the guy, obviously he can fire
the guy. So if that law went to the Supreme
Court they would declare it unconstitutional almost certainly. Yeah, the
history of that sort of thing, the executive branch starting
(08:14):
quasi independent agencies comes from the era of the Supreme Court,
where that was like decades and decades long activist lefty
court that said, yeah, that's fine, and it is. It
is on very slippery and weird ground constitutionally. I'd love
to talk to a learned expert on that topic at
some point, because it is strange.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, the interesting thing about that to me was one,
I don't think he should fire the FED chair And
as you say, today's news is it doesn't look like
he's going to.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It would be incredibly counterproductive.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, but the mainstream media acting like that's, you know,
clearly a dictator move to do that, And then I
listened to people who know what they're actually talking about. No,
he'd be challenging a law that's almost certainly unconstant. Really
not exactly a dictator move. So I don't know the
claiming that, how are you supposed to know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I wrote.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Producer Sean used to say, every news story comes with
the homework assignment. Unless you want to do the homework assignment,
you don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Happening, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I actually began the show with the theme being that
you generally have two sides pitching. They're trying to litigate
the issue and they're completely unbalanced and not looking at it.
And we're going to try to bring some clarity today
and have some great examples of that coming up, like
the war against the universities doing exactly the right thing,
(09:38):
maybe in the wrong way, but you know, we'll get
to the bottom of that. Also have some great stuff
on immigration and the difference in the reaction to the
same policies by the left depending whose guy is in
the White House.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It is hilarious. I saw Rubio statement that he's not
going to the next peace talks meeting between Russia and Ukraine.
So that's not going the right direction.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, last week he said he'd go if it looked
like there was any point in going, and his decision
to not go, mmmm spas.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And him saying his boss, Donald J. Trump might have
other priorities. If this is not working out, so then.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So one more, you asked what are the big stories
of the day. One more that's getting extremely little attention.
You know, I want to make sure I'm not lying
to you here, as I so often am shameless.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm just scanning. Let's see.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Okay, Yeah, it is cruelly underreported. And the reason I
bring this up is partly because I've been saying for
a very long time, and I've been a bit of
a lonely voice on this. The question of radical Islam
versus the West is far from decided.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I mean, it's it took a bit of a little break,
you know, the post post nine to eleven thing.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But you've got the Huthis and Hamas and Hezbollah and
their Iranian proxies, and everybody talks about that and describes them,
you know, with words like that, and it's accurate, but
their Islamic supremacists, that's at the core of their being,
and so much of the mainstream and sometimes even the
conservative Ish media is uncomfortable describing them with that sort
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of term. And the reason I bring it up is
yesterday Islamist terrorists killed more than twenty five tourists in India.
The number of folks who've died is the count is ongoing,
and some folks are clinging to life. More than twenty
five tourists in India slaughtered by Islamist lunatics. The attack
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took place in Kashmir, a region that many in the
Muslim majority Pakistan say, is occupied by Hindu majority India
and ought to be part of Pakistan. If you don't
know the story of the partition of Indian Pakistan among.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Or along sectarian lines.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Back in this was it the fifties or the sixties?
I can never remember. There's too much history anyway. Just
there's bloody history, bloody and horrible and like a perfect
example of what happens when you divide societies based on
religion or color of skin or whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I got a good story from being the San Diego
Bay to get back into that as Lamas thing.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Whenever you decide to talk about it, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Gonna use that line for the rest of my life.
I can't remember something, you know, there's too much history.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, so many people doing so many things. How can
you remember it? I told my teacher, that's just so
many things, too much history. You're in charge of ending this,
all right. We've got a lot of good stuff to come.
Hope you can stick around it. See Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Hey, thanks for tuning in. See Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Big news on the border, court battles, immigration numbers, etc.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Coming up in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Next segment, first, a couple of stories from the world
of science. We are joined at least temporarily by the
co host, mister Jack Armstrong.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Jack, glad you're here. I saw a scientist yesterday. That's
what a doctor is basically, right.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, in a very real way. Some are better
than others. But I got a question. I don't want
to derail what you got planned, but I do have
this way. Yes, I'm so sick. They finally get me
on antibotics.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
If antibotics didn't exist, if I had the exact thing
I have now one hundred years ago, would.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I die from this or what would happen? Be touch
and go promatly? I wonder. Yeah, I don't know nearly enough,
but there are examples of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Absolutely, I will never forget this. It still gives me chills.
My wife's almost certainly would have died in childbirth giving
birth to our first child because of extremely difficult birth.
And I won't go into the details, but it was
an incredibly long labor and exhausting and it's the sort
of thing that people died from without proper medical care.
(14:02):
So yeah, I thank God every day for America's medical
system is screwed up as it is, and it is
very screwed up.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But yeah, it's possible. Anyways.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Speaking of science and Jack, I'm glad you're here because
you are much better at physics and that sort of
stuff than I am. I don't even try of realized time.
You might as well explain some of the stuff to
my dog is to me. But in a potential landmark discovery,
scientists using the James web Space Telescope, which is an
amazing piece of hardware, have obtained what they call the
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strongest signs yet a possible light beyond our solar system.
They detected in an alien planet's atmosphere. The chemical fingerprints
of gases that on Earth are only produced by biological processes.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I will just tell you very briefly.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The two gases are dimethyl sulfide also known as DMS
sounds like ara and dimethyl die sulfide or dmds a
better rapper.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
The idea that you could detect trace gases from light
years away using a telescope so blows my mind. I
can't even believe it. I don't disbelieve it, but I
feel like I'm being told that. Yeah, I've got a
pet gorilla. He knows the alphabet up to why we're
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trying to get him to the end.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm like, that's say. I don't think so. I have
a lot I could say about this.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think it's interesting that since the zeitgeist had turned
toward there's no life anywhere in the universe in the
last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think this might just be a coincidence, or I
just wonder.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
If there's like a real effort at pushback from the
other side of the argument, because the other the no
life out there argument had been winning recently for the
first time and a very long time. Anyway, go ahead, Yeah,
I was gonna say. That's another topic that you had
much more experience than me in is the question of
grants for you r at universities and scientific studies. If
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there is life out there, field is dying because a
lot of the zeitgeist is going in the other direction.
If I'm in that field, I find study as fast
and loud as I can keep the funding going. Yeah,
see climate change. Now, I don't know that this is
what's happening. It could just be, you know, they finally
discovered something and the other thing being as listening to
a really really smart astronomer scientist dude on a podcast
(16:30):
recently talking about how if we ever can discover that
there's been any biological life. It goes from there's no
life anywhere, there might not be any life anywhere, So
there's life everywhere. I mean, because you only need to
replicate it once somewhere in space to go with, Okay,
it's all over the place. It's got to be yeah, yeah,
(16:52):
it would have to be yeah, and in another story
that we really don't have time to squeeze in.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
But also at least CAUSEI scientific. For many years during
the illegal immigration debate, people have been saying, well, who's
going to pick the crops? Well, the answer is increasingly robots.
They're getting better and better farm robots stay with us.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Plus a border update, don't go away, Armstrong and Getty.
We're getting them out.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
And a judge can't say, no, you have to have
a trial, that the trial is going to take two years,
and no, we're going to have a very We're going
to have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed
to do what we're entitled to do. And I want
an election based on the fact that we get them out.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So there is a lot of cloudiness on this issue
if you take in you know, a lot of the media,
a lot of ideas being expressed that weren't expressed only
a few months ago when the other guy was in charge.
And we're going to try to get to some to
the bottom of this. But there's no question that Trump's
numbers on the border are sky high popularity.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Wise, So unlike the economy, is two big issues, the
economy and the border where he's taking a big hit.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
People are loving what he's doing on the border.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, and interestingly, the economy stuff could turn around quickly.
I think if he eases up on the tariff plans
and the well, he's already said he's not going to
fire Jerome Powell, so the markets are heading back northward again.
I haven't checked lately, but that's fine. We don't do
that minute to minute around here. So I think those
numbers could turn around in a big hurry in a
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way that previous administrations never could have dreamed of, because
what was going on was like massive, you know, at
least half unavoidable changes in the global economy, as opposed
to depending on who you ask, some interesting and creative
or ill advised and hasty talk on tariffs. Anyway, getting
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back to the topic of immigration, Brett Barre on Special
Report last night, in his panel segment, had some really
interesting statistics that will lead us into a discussion coming
up in a moment. The truth the bottom line on
old Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the was he or wasn't he?
An MS thirteen marilynd father and little league coach who
(19:13):
was sent down to Al Salvador, to that nasty prison.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Anyway, here's Brett bear from.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Last night, the previous presidents on the migrant removals and
the numbers that we were talking about. Here, look at
this Bill Clinton over eight hundred and sixty million, two
million plus for George W. Bush three million, sixty two
thousand for President Obama. There you see the first Trump term,
President Biden at sixty sixteen. The twenty seven thousand is
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from January twenty fifth. In March eighth, it's more than
that now. But you look at the non judicial removals
from ninety five to twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Significant.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
So, in other words, all of these removals have happened
in previous administrations. Each one of those people did not
yet a trial or an adjudication in front of a judge.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Had they done that, we would.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Still be hearing Obama migrant removal case.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Wow. How interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So more than three million by Obama, handful by Biden
just because the numbers of people he let in were
so astonishing, inflated the number, but it was still a
very very low number. But yeah, I thought Brett's point
was excellent.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's amazing. Nobody's nobody's talking about that.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Everybody gets, you know, a week's long trial or whatever.
It's ridiculous. And then Annie Lynsky, who's the Wall Street
Journal's White House reporter, weighed in with a thought that
dovetails nicely.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I mean the number that stands out is really the
three million from Barack Obama's terms two terms. And I mean,
this is how this issue has just changed so much
that everything that Trump does, the Democrats are against. And
when Barack Obama was doing it, we didn't see you know,
massive marches and hugh and a cry. He removed three
million people from this country, and so you know, the
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politics has certainly changed. I think it's a great example of.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
How the left has just moved, you know, much further
to the left.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
There was some hue and cry the left of the lefties,
you know, calling him the deporter in chief.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
They were pretty unhappy about it. But it wasn't It
wasn't what the mainstream media was worried about. Right, I
would agree completely.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Here is for more historical examples of how the left
has just shot leftward. Well, the right has stayed much
more consistent on this issue. It's old Billy Jeff Clinton
in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 9 (21:37):
Our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more
by hiring a record number of new border guards, by
deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, and
the budget I will present to you we will try
to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens
who are arrested for crimes. We are a nation of immigrants,
but we are also a nation of laws. It is
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wrong and oughtimate self defeating for a nation of immigrants
to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws
we have seen in recent years, and we must do
more to stop it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Wow, if anybody claims to you that the case is
anything but that the left has moved miles to the left,
you know, as many Democrats from you know Bill Maher
and there are one hundred names have said I didn't
leave the party, The party left me. If anybody ever
denies that's true to you, they're either gaslighting you or
they're a fool.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's absolutely true. That is amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So that's I don't know what year that was, sometime
between ninety five years so.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Obviously, even as a Democrat, a criminal, illegal gets booted out.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Obviously, all right, how could you what's the counter argument
to that? The counter argument is you get free healthcare
paid for by taxpayers. Well, and that's you know, not
to get off on a tangent that could be like
a a book. But the triumph of emotionalism over logic
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on the left is one of the greatest effects that
nobody talks about of a lot of the DEI stuff
and the microaggression stuff, which was all designed to take
over institutions to shame people into silence. Then the neo
Marxists can take over the institutions.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But I feel offended.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Therefore I'm right would have been laughed at, for like
all of American history, all of American history would have said,
wait a minute, no, his intentions were fine. It's perhaps
you are offended, but talk it out and you need
to calm down because he didn't say anything wrong. But
all of a sudden, in the last few years, as
people like Bill Clinton were left here on the center
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right saying what the hell just happened, emotionalism has taken over.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I think the Democratic Party is still more what you
just heard from Bill Clinton than what's been going on
for the.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Last several years.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I just don't know why somebody doesn't have the freaking
guts to stand up to the lunatics and be that
candidate and win in a landslide, I think.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But yeah, it's the whole problem. If you've got that outward,
I don't know what is it. What percentage of the party,
thirty percent whatever? Are there the crazy activists and they
have so much energy our freedom loving Quote of the
Day Jack was from Eric Hoffer, the great twentieth century author,
who said, passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to
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an empty life. Thus, people haunted by the purposelessness of
their lives try to find a new content, not only
by dedicating themselves to a holy cause, but also by
nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited
opportunities for both Wow and again the key sentence, passionate
hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And yes, so then is how much is it about
the issue or is it just expressing your misery in
your life and having someone to blame. Did you see
that video I tweeted out about the transact Stavists with
the people screaming at some young women who were, you know, against.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
You had this crowd mostly men just I mean not
just chanting, but like they were gonna lose their minds
screaming at these women. And you look at that and
you have to think, how would you ever get that
worked up about anything other than maybe defending your own family.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Because it's not about an issue, it's religious fervor of
a cult.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, it's wild. Who would suck down what was? It?
Wasn't kool aid? I always try to get this right.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It was actually flavor aid that the Jonestown cult sucked down. Anyway,
everybody says drinking the kool aid, so just go with
the flow, Joe, Okay, but how can you explain people
sucking down poison to go to heaven with their their
two bit would be cult leader, Yeah, I mean cult
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fervor anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, but that's that's what you saw there.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And I want to get back into the radicals and
the defacing Tesla dealers and that sort of thing in
a little bit. But uh, here are a bunch of
Marylanders reacting to the deportation of the Maryland father of
two or whatever in the Little League coach Abrego Garcia
sixty six.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
He was living in Maryland designated MS thirteen terrorists and
Donald Trump deported him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And how does that make you feel? I feel safer.
He gotta go, He gotta go, He need to go.
But he was a father, but he's still a terrorist.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
He should have picked the cheese, so he picked to
be a terrist instead of worring about his children.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The Democrats they want him back. They say he was
wrongfully deported. He has a wife and a kid who's
a citizen. They're calling this a national emergency. Is this
a national emergency? I wouldn't call it national emergency. We
have more things going on?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Do we have more things? More fish to fry? What
kind of national emergency for? What? What is the emergency for?
Ain't no national emergency.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
No, a bunch of white people being racist. Oh excuse me,
control rooms trying. Oh they were mostly black people.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
According to Rich Lowry of The National Review, who is
one of the smartest and most reasonable people in journalism,
he says Kilmar Obrega Garcia should not be in prison
in l Salvador, and he gets into why, and I
agree with him, But he also should never have been
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in the United States and should never have been given
relief from deportation. The White House is trying to make
the alleged MS thirteen gang member a symbol of illegal
immigrant crime, while the anti Trump opposition is seeking to
make the Maryland man a symbol of the administration's disregard
for due process. What's got less attention, Rich writes, is
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that his case is an example of the self defeating
absurdities of our immigration system, and in particular of how
it hands out humanitarian protection. When Abrego Garcia avoided deportation
back in twenty nineteen, he didn't take advantage of asylum,
which has been a big part of the immigration crisis.
He used something called withholding of removal. So asylum grants
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you a path to citizenship. Departing from the text here
for a second, because you know you came from an
awful place that would persecute you, and we take in
refugees of that sort, and so we will let you
stay here and become a citizen. But no, this was
just the withholding of removal that just prevents a deportable
alien from being removed to a particular country. In a
(28:40):
Brogo Garcia's case, El Salvatory.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Where he is now.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So he came to the US when he was sixteen
years old in twenty twelve. He lived here illegally until
he was picked up by the cops in twenty nineteen,
put into deportation proceedings. To avoid being removed, he made
an asylum claim, sought relief under the Unconvention against Torture,
applied for withholding of removal. An immigration judge did not
(29:05):
grant him asylum because he hadn't applied soon enough. It
was just you're supposed to apply in your first year,
saying hey, here's where i'm here, here's why I'm here,
and here's why I need to stay.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
He didn't. He just used it as a tool when
they finally.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Caught him, and the she didn't know all this, So
they're like lawyers out there who make their living figuring
out how to keep these people around.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, or he's probably a reasonably breaky he figured it out.
But anyway, and the judge also ruled that there's no
reasonably you'll be tortured in El Salvador. But the judge
granted the withholding of removal on some really unconvincing grounds.
Here's what happened with this guy, and it's funny. I've
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read a version of this story many times, and nobody
ever explains what the hell of papoosa is. Oh, Brega
Garcia claimed that his mother had a papoosa business.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I've read that half a times. Sort of like an
alpaca but with two humps. Yes, no, it half sounds
like prostitution. That's not it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Either it's the national dish in l Salvador or a
national dish.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's like having a hot dog stand. Yeah, so she ran.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
A papoosa business out of the family's home, and a
gang called Barrio eighteen was extorting and threatening the family.
It's be a shame of something bad happened to her
papoosa business.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh, of course it would suck it always protection money,
they call it, and this included a warning that they
would take their twelve year old son if the parents'
payments didn't continue.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
If this is true, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Sure it is, but it's not really a good reason
to prohibit o Breaker Garcia from being removed to El
Salvador years later, because by the time of the court proceedings,
the papoosa business had closed. Tell you what, the papoosa
business ain't what it used to be, so the occasion
for storting this kid by the gang no longer existed.
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Not only that he wasn't a kid, he was a
twenty three year old who was more than capable of
living independently of his family.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That sort of thing happens with people in the United
States all the time. Also, though I mean it's not, yes,
you know, a revolutionary country or something.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Absolutely, But you know, if you had to get me
out of the hood to my cousin's place in the
suburbs because a gang was trying to recruit me at
age sixteen, I have enormous sympathy for that situation, But
when I'm twenty three, not so much. There's more to
the story. We've got it for you to stay with us.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
They are winning because they've secured the border and the
Democrats at least the worst border crisis in American history,
and Donald Trump ended it in a month. And eighty
seven percent of Americans, according to the New York Times poll,
show I believe that criminal aliens like this guy should
be deported. So that's why they're not just focusing on
the legal side.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
God, so a mere eighty seven percent, not even half
jack in favor of deporting criminal illegal aliens I could write.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
For The New York Times, Mark Halpern wrote that he
can't believe Democrats are.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Making this their battle Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I know, I know, and I guess their battle cry
is it's a don't make it about this guy, make
it about due process. We're actually going to talk to
some folks from the Center for Immigration Studies next hour
about the due process thing.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
But dudes and d d debts.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
The guy's a criminal, illegal alien gang member. He is
not your Rosa Parks, right.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I realize if you're a lawyer or a constitutionalist or whatever,
it's the due process is the issue. But politically, politically, people,
the average voter sees okay, an illegal criminal get him
out of here.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Next story. That's it.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
So that was Mark Tieson's voice you heard. Coming back
back to the story of kill Maar.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Poor name.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Really, if his name was Jimmy or something, kill Maar,
it just doesn't sound good. Anyway, the guy who was
shipped off to Al Salvador blah blah blah, due process
blah blah blah, Maryland father. Anyway, So this guy got
a withholding of removal back in the day because he
allegedly he was a support sixteen year old who gangs
tried to extort into joining their gang. But when this
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order was giving given, he was twenty three years old
and his family's business no longer existed, So the idea
that he could be blackmailed in joining the gang was
fairly ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Rich Lowry writes to succeed in getting a.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Withholding of removal, and alien is supposed to that's the
legal word alien, Feel free to use it. An alien
is supposed to establish a risk of persecution based on
his race, religion, nationality, membership in particular social group, or
political opinion. How did this apply to Abregio Garcia. Supposedly
his family was the particular social group This is a stretch,
since the gang presumably would have treated anyone with a
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popoosa business the same way. And he also points out
that there's the fact that l Salvador's president, naib Bukaley,
is utterly demolished Brio eighteen.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
The gang doesn't really exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So here we had a man Kilmar Abregio Garcio, came
here illegally and had at best questionable associations, almost certainly
Emmerson thirteen living and working in the US based on
a supposed fere of an all but extinct straight gang
and its threats over long closed business, and we wonder
why we can't control the legal immigration. Congress should eliminate
the particular social group category which is often abused, and
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we should fundamentally rethink how humanitarian protection works and even
if it makes sense to be in the business of
granting asylum at all. The Trump administration should not have
blown by the immigration judges ruling in Bregio Garcia's case.
But that is no way to run an immigration system, right,
So they should have shipped them back and dotted their
eyes and crossed their t's.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
He's right because, as we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You can do the right thing, but if you do
it in the wrong way, the other side can make
you the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So you gotta be careful. Right, you're stepping on your
own long tie.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So you've heard many references into due process. Any American
who understands the Constitution cherishes due process. But what does
that phrase mean, and what does it mean in immigration,
and what does it mean with a guy like Garcia.
We'll talk to the Center for Immigration Study next. If
you can't stick around, subscribe to or podcast Armstrong and
(35:20):
Getty on demand.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
You can listen to it later.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Armstrong and Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Arm Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Getty.
I have seen the doctor and he has seen me.
Famous line from the movie Arthur Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So I joined the show an hour or two. So
here's what I did. Remember, do you remember anybody listening
to this show. Remember I was sick last week and
part of the week before, and assumed that I was
on the tail end of it, as I had been
to a doctor and they said it was, you know,
sort of thing that you'll have for ten days or whatever.
(00:54):
I went ahead with our scheduled trip to San Diego
that I had for the family and my son I
had started having this illness to and we both got
sicker during this trip. So it turned out to not
to be the greatest idea to try to go on
a vacation uh ill like this. My son has now
declared this is the sickest he's ever been yike, which
I think is true. I told the doctor yesterday, I said,
(01:14):
I'm old, and this is in the top five, certainly
of all time. But so when we were landed in
San Diego. Both of our heads are full of uh
whatever your head gets full of when you're sick, and
our ears. I thought my head was going to explode.
I thought my ears were going to explode. I've never
had that happen before ever. I mean, I've had some
ear pain on a plane before, but.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Never like this.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And my satary blood on passengers to your right and
left right.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
My son was a couple of seats away from He
was stomping his feet because he didn't want to yell
out loud.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And make a scene.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So much pain. He was just miserable. Couldn't release the pressure.
Oh no, we never have. There hasn't gone in five days.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Anyway. Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
He mostly hung out in bed. My other son's perfectly healthy.
Luckily he didn't catch it, so God. We went cruising
around in a boat on the bay and did all
this stuff for a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Of days, and I was just dying.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
He just absolutely dying, you know, trying to keep the
vacation going.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So, has anybody slapped a name on this yet or
is it just a rest?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Really?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Is the only reason I bring it up because it
might be something to learn from this, something I didn't know.
So I went to the doctor yesterday, same doctor that
i'd seen a week earlier, and I said, tomorrow, which
is today, will be we a day fourteen. So I've
had this for fourteen days and if anything, it's getting worse.
It's certainly not getting better. And say they declared that
it's so everybody tests you for strip throat.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The sore throat is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's like you're swallowing a razorblade every time you swallow,
and it's been that way.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
For two freaking weeks. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Anyway, they said, everybody tests for strip throat, but there's
lots of bacterial in facts like strip throat that don't
have a name that they don't test for because they're
you know, they're not as popular or whatever. And you
have one of those. Yeah, So they gave me, they said,
the nuclear option of antibiotics for me and my son,
(03:15):
and I'm sure we'll be fine in forty eight hours.
But I normally used only for end stage ebol of
patients in Africa, bol of patients who have gone a
rhea oh both before they usually give you this, Well.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You're having a bad week.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, Well you gotta choose your mates, your romance is better.
Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I have tried to power through so many things in
my life with an illness, and usually successfully.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
This one did not work on vacation and Sam was dying.
I was just dying, just dying, like, how are we
going to go to the airport and do security and
do this whole thing? How we're gonna do it?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Was terrible. It's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh, we stayed on our friend Dave's boat and that
was cool.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, well, at least that's fairly RESTful. Right, No, there
is no resting. Nobody rested.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Everybody's coughing in parents looking for the positive side.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Ah wow, okay. So, but because I've.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Been quite sick, I haven't been following news. Tell me
what's the story my hair? If I had and he
was supposed to be on fire about today? What am
I supposed to be concerned about today?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Actually?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I think the headline is that your head is being
blasted with the cooling waters of moderation and not on fire.
As Trump has come out and said, I have no
intention of.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Firing Jerome Powell. Oh Jerry, are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Man?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Him?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
We go way back and also in all these tariffs
on China, they're very, very high.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
We should probably work out something better.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And so the markets yesterday reacted with oh thank god
and skyrocketed. Having crater in the previous day or two
and the whiplash of will he or won't he? What's
the official policy has continued. So financially speaking, we're on
the downward crest of a waiver or upward. I guess
upward is better, so that that's good.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I talked to a small businessman in San Diego about
the tariffs, off to tell that story later, and he's
telling me what it was going to do to him.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Just wipe him out. Really, Yeah, because all this stuff
comes from China.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Did you say anything about how long it would take
him or how expensive it would be to retool his
supply lines and remake his business for a new world.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
His particular thing of selling stuff that he gets from China.
He just wouldn't be doable. I don't think. Okay, yeah,
what was I going to say?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Then I did listen to Hi Katie, how are you?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm doing better than you, Jack.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Most people usually are. I mean, yeah, again, that's not
much of a statement. Yeah, was I gonna say o,
not in general. I'm not joining on with that. That's
just that would be abusing a second man I just met.
In terms of your physical health, debatable, Yeah, okay, true,
I'm just I'm probably probably below average most of the time.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Somebody's got to be right exactly, just statistically doing a
favor to the above average.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
You're a giver, Joe, Stop beating the sick guy.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We'll stay in the United States of America. To be fair,
half of the country is below average. Their lives are
going below average, So it's not hard to believe that
I'm in that half. I think I can see the
line from here like the fife right right. Sure, anyway,
I probably have days where I'm slightly above average.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
But I'm supposed to let you guys know that.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
The actual news story of the day is that Lizzo
has announced that she's lost sixteen percent of her body fat.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I noticed when she was the musical guest on SNL
a couple of weeks ago. That's not the same a
Lizzo as before. It's just much half a Lizzo. Yeah,
I was half a Lizzo. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm in the camp of if Lizzo assassinates the president
or cures cancer. I want to hear about her, but
otherwise no, but that was her whole act was fat acceptance.
And look how beautiful I am at this weight. So
why is she musing.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
All the weight?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Probably because it was killing her, because obesity is incredibly unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
And then remember she had all those backup dancers who
were every bit as big as her, and then she
made fun of them for being fat.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yes, somehow I got in trouble for that.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
All right, thank you for weighing in with that, Katie,
No pun intended, right, Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yes, yes, hey, Well one thing I did listen to
a podcast that explained how Trump absolutely has the power
too or should have the power to fire Jerome Powell.
There is a law that he can't, but that law
is clearly unconstitutional.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And if they fire are.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
We talking about Humphreys Executor Jack, the famous Supreme Court case.
I don't know, but as the head of the executive
branch and he hires the guy, obviously he can fire
the guy. So if that law went to the Supreme
Court they would declare it unconstitutional almost certainly. Yeah, the
history of that sort of thing, the executive branch starting
(08:14):
quasi independent agencies comes from the era of the Supreme Court,
where that was like decades and decades long activist lefty
court that said, yeah, that's fine, and it is. It
is on very slippery and weird ground constitutionally. I'd love
to talk to a learned expert on that topic at
some point, because it is strange.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, the interesting thing about that to me was one,
I don't think he should fire the FED chair And
as you say, today's news is it doesn't look like
he's going to.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It would be incredibly counterproductive.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, but the mainstream media acting like that's, you know,
clearly a dictator move to do that, And then I
listened to people who know what they're actually talking about. No,
he'd be challenging a law that's almost certainly unconstant. Really
not exactly a dictator move. So I don't know the
claiming that, how are you supposed to know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I wrote.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Producer Sean used to say, every news story comes with
the homework assignment. Unless you want to do the homework assignment,
you don't know what's.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Happening, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I actually began the show with the theme being that
you generally have two sides pitching. They're trying to litigate
the issue and they're completely unbalanced and not looking at it.
And we're going to try to bring some clarity today
and have some great examples of that coming up, like
the war against the universities doing exactly the right thing,
(09:38):
maybe in the wrong way, but you know, we'll get
to the bottom of that. Also have some great stuff
on immigration and the difference in the reaction to the
same policies by the left depending whose guy is in
the White House.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It is hilarious. I saw Rubio statement that he's not
going to the next peace talks meeting between Russia and Ukraine.
So that's not going the right direction.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, last week he said he'd go if it looked
like there was any point in going, and his decision
to not go, mmmm spas.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And him saying his boss, Donald J. Trump might have
other priorities. If this is not working out, so then.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So one more, you asked what are the big stories
of the day. One more that's getting extremely little attention.
You know, I want to make sure I'm not lying
to you here, as I so often am shameless.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm just scanning. Let's see.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Okay, Yeah, it is cruelly underreported. And the reason I
bring this up is partly because I've been saying for
a very long time, and I've been a bit of
a lonely voice on this. The question of radical Islam
versus the West is far from decided.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I mean, it's it took a bit of a little break,
you know, the post post nine to eleven thing.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But you've got the Huthis and Hamas and Hezbollah and
their Iranian proxies, and everybody talks about that and describes them,
you know, with words like that, and it's accurate, but
their Islamic supremacists, that's at the core of their being,
and so much of the mainstream and sometimes even the
conservative Ish media is uncomfortable describing them with that sort
(11:24):
of term. And the reason I bring it up is
yesterday Islamist terrorists killed more than twenty five tourists in India.
The number of folks who've died is the count is ongoing,
and some folks are clinging to life. More than twenty
five tourists in India slaughtered by Islamist lunatics. The attack
(11:47):
took place in Kashmir, a region that many in the
Muslim majority Pakistan say, is occupied by Hindu majority India
and ought to be part of Pakistan. If you don't
know the story of the partition of Indian Pakistan among.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Or along sectarian lines.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Back in this was it the fifties or the sixties?
I can never remember. There's too much history anyway. Just
there's bloody history, bloody and horrible and like a perfect
example of what happens when you divide societies based on
religion or color of skin or whatever.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I got a good story from being the San Diego
Bay to get back into that as Lamas thing.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Whenever you decide to talk about it, I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Gonna use that line for the rest of my life.
I can't remember something, you know, there's too much history.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, so many people doing so many things. How can
you remember it? I told my teacher, that's just so
many things, too much history. You're in charge of ending this,
all right. We've got a lot of good stuff to come.
Hope you can stick around it. See Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Hey, thanks for tuning in. See Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Big news on the border, court battles, immigration numbers, etc.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Coming up in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Next segment, first, a couple of stories from the world
of science. We are joined at least temporarily by the
co host, mister Jack Armstrong.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Jack, glad you're here. I saw a scientist yesterday. That's
what a doctor is basically, right.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, in a very real way. Some are better
than others. But I got a question. I don't want
to derail what you got planned, but I do have
this way. Yes, I'm so sick. They finally get me
on antibotics.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
If antibotics didn't exist, if I had the exact thing
I have now one hundred years ago, would.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I die from this or what would happen? Be touch
and go promatly? I wonder. Yeah, I don't know nearly enough,
but there are examples of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Absolutely, I will never forget this. It still gives me chills.
My wife's almost certainly would have died in childbirth giving
birth to our first child because of extremely difficult birth.
And I won't go into the details, but it was
an incredibly long labor and exhausting and it's the sort
of thing that people died from without proper medical care.
(14:02):
So yeah, I thank God every day for America's medical
system is screwed up as it is, and it is
very screwed up.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But yeah, it's possible. Anyways.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Speaking of science and Jack, I'm glad you're here because
you are much better at physics and that sort of
stuff than I am. I don't even try of realized time.
You might as well explain some of the stuff to
my dog is to me. But in a potential landmark discovery,
scientists using the James web Space Telescope, which is an
amazing piece of hardware, have obtained what they call the
(14:32):
strongest signs yet a possible light beyond our solar system.
They detected in an alien planet's atmosphere. The chemical fingerprints
of gases that on Earth are only produced by biological processes.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I will just tell you very briefly.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The two gases are dimethyl sulfide also known as DMS
sounds like ara and dimethyl die sulfide or dmds a
better rapper.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
The idea that you could detect trace gases from light
years away using a telescope so blows my mind. I
can't even believe it. I don't disbelieve it, but I
feel like I'm being told that. Yeah, I've got a
pet gorilla. He knows the alphabet up to why we're
(15:27):
trying to get him to the end.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm like, that's say. I don't think so. I have
a lot I could say about this.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think it's interesting that since the zeitgeist had turned
toward there's no life anywhere in the universe in the
last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think this might just be a coincidence, or I
just wonder.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
If there's like a real effort at pushback from the
other side of the argument, because the other the no
life out there argument had been winning recently for the
first time and a very long time. Anyway, go ahead, Yeah,
I was gonna say. That's another topic that you had
much more experience than me in is the question of
grants for you r at universities and scientific studies. If
(16:06):
there is life out there, field is dying because a
lot of the zeitgeist is going in the other direction.
If I'm in that field, I find study as fast
and loud as I can keep the funding going. Yeah,
see climate change. Now, I don't know that this is
what's happening. It could just be, you know, they finally
discovered something and the other thing being as listening to
a really really smart astronomer scientist dude on a podcast
(16:30):
recently talking about how if we ever can discover that
there's been any biological life. It goes from there's no
life anywhere, there might not be any life anywhere, So
there's life everywhere. I mean, because you only need to
replicate it once somewhere in space to go with, Okay,
it's all over the place. It's got to be yeah, yeah,
(16:52):
it would have to be yeah, and in another story
that we really don't have time to squeeze in.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
But also at least CAUSEI scientific. For many years during
the illegal immigration debate, people have been saying, well, who's
going to pick the crops? Well, the answer is increasingly robots.
They're getting better and better farm robots stay with us.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Plus a border update, don't go away, Armstrong and Getty.
We're getting them out.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
And a judge can't say, no, you have to have
a trial, that the trial is going to take two years,
and no, we're going to have a very We're going
to have a very dangerous country if we're not allowed
to do what we're entitled to do. And I want
an election based on the fact that we get them out.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So there is a lot of cloudiness on this issue
if you take in you know, a lot of the media,
a lot of ideas being expressed that weren't expressed only
a few months ago when the other guy was in charge.
And we're going to try to get to some to
the bottom of this. But there's no question that Trump's
numbers on the border are sky high popularity.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Wise, So unlike the economy, is two big issues, the
economy and the border where he's taking a big hit.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
People are loving what he's doing on the border.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, and interestingly, the economy stuff could turn around quickly.
I think if he eases up on the tariff plans
and the well, he's already said he's not going to
fire Jerome Powell, so the markets are heading back northward again.
I haven't checked lately, but that's fine. We don't do
that minute to minute around here. So I think those
numbers could turn around in a big hurry in a
(18:27):
way that previous administrations never could have dreamed of, because
what was going on was like massive, you know, at
least half unavoidable changes in the global economy, as opposed
to depending on who you ask, some interesting and creative
or ill advised and hasty talk on tariffs. Anyway, getting
(18:51):
back to the topic of immigration, Brett Barre on Special
Report last night, in his panel segment, had some really
interesting statistics that will lead us into a discussion coming
up in a moment. The truth the bottom line on
old Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the was he or wasn't he?
An MS thirteen marilynd father and little league coach who
(19:13):
was sent down to Al Salvador, to that nasty prison.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Anyway, here's Brett bear from.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Last night, the previous presidents on the migrant removals and
the numbers that we were talking about. Here, look at
this Bill Clinton over eight hundred and sixty million, two
million plus for George W. Bush three million, sixty two
thousand for President Obama. There you see the first Trump term,
President Biden at sixty sixteen. The twenty seven thousand is
(19:38):
from January twenty fifth. In March eighth, it's more than
that now. But you look at the non judicial removals
from ninety five to twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Significant.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
So, in other words, all of these removals have happened
in previous administrations. Each one of those people did not
yet a trial or an adjudication in front of a judge.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Had they done that, we would.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Still be hearing Obama migrant removal case.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Wow. How interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So more than three million by Obama, handful by Biden
just because the numbers of people he let in were
so astonishing, inflated the number, but it was still a
very very low number. But yeah, I thought Brett's point
was excellent.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's amazing. Nobody's nobody's talking about that.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Everybody gets, you know, a week's long trial or whatever.
It's ridiculous. And then Annie Lynsky, who's the Wall Street
Journal's White House reporter, weighed in with a thought that
dovetails nicely.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I mean the number that stands out is really the
three million from Barack Obama's terms two terms. And I mean,
this is how this issue has just changed so much
that everything that Trump does, the Democrats are against. And
when Barack Obama was doing it, we didn't see you know,
massive marches and hugh and a cry. He removed three
million people from this country, and so you know, the
(21:01):
politics has certainly changed. I think it's a great example of.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
How the left has just moved, you know, much further
to the left.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
There was some hue and cry the left of the lefties,
you know, calling him the deporter in chief.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
They were pretty unhappy about it. But it wasn't It
wasn't what the mainstream media was worried about. Right, I
would agree completely.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Here is for more historical examples of how the left
has just shot leftward. Well, the right has stayed much
more consistent on this issue. It's old Billy Jeff Clinton
in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 9 (21:37):
Our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more
by hiring a record number of new border guards, by
deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, and
the budget I will present to you we will try
to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens
who are arrested for crimes. We are a nation of immigrants,
but we are also a nation of laws. It is
(21:59):
wrong and oughtimate self defeating for a nation of immigrants
to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws
we have seen in recent years, and we must do
more to stop it.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Wow, if anybody claims to you that the case is
anything but that the left has moved miles to the left,
you know, as many Democrats from you know Bill Maher
and there are one hundred names have said I didn't
leave the party, The party left me. If anybody ever
denies that's true to you, they're either gaslighting you or
they're a fool.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's absolutely true. That is amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So that's I don't know what year that was, sometime
between ninety five years so.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Obviously, even as a Democrat, a criminal, illegal gets booted out.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Obviously, all right, how could you what's the counter argument
to that? The counter argument is you get free healthcare
paid for by taxpayers. Well, and that's you know, not
to get off on a tangent that could be like
a a book. But the triumph of emotionalism over logic
(23:07):
on the left is one of the greatest effects that
nobody talks about of a lot of the DEI stuff
and the microaggression stuff, which was all designed to take
over institutions to shame people into silence. Then the neo
Marxists can take over the institutions.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
But I feel offended.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Therefore I'm right would have been laughed at, for like
all of American history, all of American history would have said,
wait a minute, no, his intentions were fine. It's perhaps
you are offended, but talk it out and you need
to calm down because he didn't say anything wrong. But
all of a sudden, in the last few years, as
people like Bill Clinton were left here on the center
(23:48):
right saying what the hell just happened, emotionalism has taken over.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I think the Democratic Party is still more what you
just heard from Bill Clinton than what's been going on
for the.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Last several years.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I just don't know why somebody doesn't have the freaking
guts to stand up to the lunatics and be that
candidate and win in a landslide, I think.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But yeah, it's the whole problem. If you've got that outward,
I don't know what is it. What percentage of the party,
thirty percent whatever? Are there the crazy activists and they
have so much energy our freedom loving Quote of the
Day Jack was from Eric Hoffer, the great twentieth century author,
who said, passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to
(24:27):
an empty life. Thus, people haunted by the purposelessness of
their lives try to find a new content, not only
by dedicating themselves to a holy cause, but also by
nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited
opportunities for both Wow and again the key sentence, passionate
hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
And yes, so then is how much is it about
the issue or is it just expressing your misery in
your life and having someone to blame. Did you see
that video I tweeted out about the transact Stavists with
the people screaming at some young women who were, you know, against.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
You had this crowd mostly men just I mean not
just chanting, but like they were gonna lose their minds
screaming at these women. And you look at that and
you have to think, how would you ever get that
worked up about anything other than maybe defending your own family.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Because it's not about an issue, it's religious fervor of
a cult.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, it's wild. Who would suck down what was? It?
Wasn't kool aid? I always try to get this right.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It was actually flavor aid that the Jonestown cult sucked down. Anyway,
everybody says drinking the kool aid, so just go with
the flow, Joe, Okay, but how can you explain people
sucking down poison to go to heaven with their their
two bit would be cult leader, Yeah, I mean cult
(26:02):
fervor anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, but that's that's what you saw there.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And I want to get back into the radicals and
the defacing Tesla dealers and that sort of thing in
a little bit. But uh, here are a bunch of
Marylanders reacting to the deportation of the Maryland father of
two or whatever in the Little League coach Abrego Garcia
sixty six.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
He was living in Maryland designated MS thirteen terrorists and
Donald Trump deported him.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And how does that make you feel? I feel safer.
He gotta go, He gotta go, He need to go.
But he was a father, but he's still a terrorist.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
He should have picked the cheese, so he picked to
be a terrist instead of worring about his children.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The Democrats they want him back. They say he was
wrongfully deported. He has a wife and a kid who's
a citizen. They're calling this a national emergency. Is this
a national emergency? I wouldn't call it national emergency. We
have more things going on?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Do we have more things? More fish to fry? What
kind of national emergency for? What? What is the emergency for?
Ain't no national emergency.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
No, a bunch of white people being racist. Oh excuse me,
control rooms trying. Oh they were mostly black people.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
According to Rich Lowry of The National Review, who is
one of the smartest and most reasonable people in journalism,
he says Kilmar Obrega Garcia should not be in prison
in l Salvador, and he gets into why, and I
agree with him, But he also should never have been
(27:31):
in the United States and should never have been given
relief from deportation. The White House is trying to make
the alleged MS thirteen gang member a symbol of illegal
immigrant crime, while the anti Trump opposition is seeking to
make the Maryland man a symbol of the administration's disregard
for due process. What's got less attention, Rich writes, is
(27:52):
that his case is an example of the self defeating
absurdities of our immigration system, and in particular of how
it hands out humanitarian protection. When Abrego Garcia avoided deportation
back in twenty nineteen, he didn't take advantage of asylum,
which has been a big part of the immigration crisis.
He used something called withholding of removal. So asylum grants
(28:17):
you a path to citizenship. Departing from the text here
for a second, because you know you came from an
awful place that would persecute you, and we take in
refugees of that sort, and so we will let you
stay here and become a citizen. But no, this was
just the withholding of removal that just prevents a deportable
alien from being removed to a particular country. In a
(28:40):
Brogo Garcia's case, El Salvatory.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Where he is now.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So he came to the US when he was sixteen
years old in twenty twelve. He lived here illegally until
he was picked up by the cops in twenty nineteen,
put into deportation proceedings. To avoid being removed, he made
an asylum claim, sought relief under the Unconvention against Torture,
applied for withholding of removal. An immigration judge did not
(29:05):
grant him asylum because he hadn't applied soon enough. It
was just you're supposed to apply in your first year,
saying hey, here's where i'm here, here's why I'm here,
and here's why I need to stay.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
He didn't. He just used it as a tool when
they finally.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Caught him, and the she didn't know all this, So
they're like lawyers out there who make their living figuring
out how to keep these people around.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, or he's probably a reasonably breaky he figured it out.
But anyway, and the judge also ruled that there's no
reasonably you'll be tortured in El Salvador. But the judge
granted the withholding of removal on some really unconvincing grounds.
Here's what happened with this guy, and it's funny. I've
(29:47):
read a version of this story many times, and nobody
ever explains what the hell of papoosa is. Oh, Brega
Garcia claimed that his mother had a papoosa business.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I've read that half a times. Sort of like an
alpaca but with two humps. Yes, no, it half sounds
like prostitution. That's not it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Either it's the national dish in l Salvador or a
national dish.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
It's like having a hot dog stand. Yeah, so she ran.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
A papoosa business out of the family's home, and a
gang called Barrio eighteen was extorting and threatening the family.
It's be a shame of something bad happened to her
papoosa business.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
That sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh, of course it would suck it always protection money,
they call it, and this included a warning that they
would take their twelve year old son if the parents'
payments didn't continue.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
If this is true, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Sure it is, but it's not really a good reason
to prohibit o Breaker Garcia from being removed to El
Salvador years later, because by the time of the court proceedings,
the papoosa business had closed. Tell you what, the papoosa
business ain't what it used to be, so the occasion
for storting this kid by the gang no longer existed.
(31:04):
Not only that he wasn't a kid, he was a
twenty three year old who was more than capable of
living independently of his family.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That sort of thing happens with people in the United
States all the time. Also, though I mean it's not, yes,
you know, a revolutionary country or something.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Absolutely, But you know, if you had to get me
out of the hood to my cousin's place in the
suburbs because a gang was trying to recruit me at
age sixteen, I have enormous sympathy for that situation, But
when I'm twenty three, not so much. There's more to
the story. We've got it for you to stay with us.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
They are winning because they've secured the border and the
Democrats at least the worst border crisis in American history,
and Donald Trump ended it in a month. And eighty
seven percent of Americans, according to the New York Times poll,
show I believe that criminal aliens like this guy should
be deported. So that's why they're not just focusing on
the legal side.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
God, so a mere eighty seven percent, not even half
jack in favor of deporting criminal illegal aliens I could write.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
For The New York Times, Mark Halpern wrote that he
can't believe Democrats are.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Making this their battle Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I know, I know, and I guess their battle cry
is it's a don't make it about this guy, make
it about due process. We're actually going to talk to
some folks from the Center for Immigration Studies next hour
about the due process thing.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
But dudes and d d debts.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
The guy's a criminal, illegal alien gang member. He is
not your Rosa Parks, right.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I realize if you're a lawyer or a constitutionalist or whatever,
it's the due process is the issue. But politically, politically, people,
the average voter sees okay, an illegal criminal get him
out of here.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Next story. That's it.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
So that was Mark Tieson's voice you heard. Coming back
back to the story of kill Maar.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Poor name.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Really, if his name was Jimmy or something, kill Maar,
it just doesn't sound good. Anyway, the guy who was
shipped off to Al Salvador blah blah blah, due process
blah blah blah, Maryland father. Anyway, So this guy got
a withholding of removal back in the day because he
allegedly he was a support sixteen year old who gangs
tried to extort into joining their gang. But when this
(33:18):
order was giving given, he was twenty three years old
and his family's business no longer existed, So the idea
that he could be blackmailed in joining the gang was
fairly ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Rich Lowry writes to succeed in getting a.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Withholding of removal, and alien is supposed to that's the
legal word alien, Feel free to use it. An alien
is supposed to establish a risk of persecution based on
his race, religion, nationality, membership in particular social group, or
political opinion. How did this apply to Abregio Garcia. Supposedly
his family was the particular social group This is a stretch,
since the gang presumably would have treated anyone with a
(33:51):
popoosa business the same way. And he also points out
that there's the fact that l Salvador's president, naib Bukaley,
is utterly demolished Brio eighteen.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
The gang doesn't really exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So here we had a man Kilmar Abregio Garcio, came
here illegally and had at best questionable associations, almost certainly
Emmerson thirteen living and working in the US based on
a supposed fere of an all but extinct straight gang
and its threats over long closed business, and we wonder
why we can't control the legal immigration. Congress should eliminate
the particular social group category which is often abused, and
(34:26):
we should fundamentally rethink how humanitarian protection works and even
if it makes sense to be in the business of
granting asylum at all. The Trump administration should not have
blown by the immigration judges ruling in Bregio Garcia's case.
But that is no way to run an immigration system, right,
So they should have shipped them back and dotted their
eyes and crossed their t's.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
He's right because, as we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
You can do the right thing, but if you do
it in the wrong way, the other side can make
you the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So you gotta be careful. Right, you're stepping on your
own long tie.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So you've heard many references into due process. Any American
who understands the Constitution cherishes due process. But what does
that phrase mean, and what does it mean in immigration,
and what does it mean with a guy like Garcia.
We'll talk to the Center for Immigration Study next. If
you can't stick around, subscribe to or podcast Armstrong and
(35:20):
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Speaker 2 (35:21):
You can listen to it later.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
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