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April 9, 2025 • 17 mins
White Lotus just wrapped up and Rich had the chance to talk to star, Jon Gries, about the show and where they go from here!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live across the world right now. This is the
John Jay and Rich radio program. Okay, this is pretty exciting.
There's really two shows I'm obsessed with and this golden
age of television right now, there's two shows that occupy
all my extra brain time when I watch them. One
of them is Severance. If you haven't watched that, you
really should. It's a very it's a very coast to

(00:23):
coast kind of thing. It's almost like if Black Mirror
meets the Office or Get Out meets the Office. And
then the other is this show that I still can't
figure out, and I've watched all three seasons and I'm
still trying to figure out why I think about it
so much as White Lotus and we are so privileged
to be joined by one of its actors. John Grease
is on. He's an American actor, a writer, and director.

(00:44):
Now his bio says he is best known for the
role of Unkle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite. I would now
say that maybe he might be best known as Gary
or Greg from White Lotus three seasons, the only actor
that's been on all three seasons. And I might also say, John,
you might be best well known for your role in Martin.
Don't forget that that's not even in your bio. I'm

(01:06):
bringing that up for you. Hey, it's nice to talk
to you. Welcome to Coast to Coast am. I really
appreciate you being live in the middle of the night
for me, cause you're doing this just just for this,
and I think that that shows what a great guy
you are, because most people would not.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, no, thank you so much for saying it's a
pleasure to be on the show. I love the show.
But first and foremost, and secondly, it's funny because I'm
at a hotel somewhere in Los Angeles, Hollywood. I won't
say exactly where, but I'm with most of the cast
and with Mike White and the producers of White Lotus
are downstairs. We all have had dinner together tonight and

(01:42):
I just peeled away to make this.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Did you tell me like, hey, I gotta go do
an interview.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, everybody was so busy talking. My wife knows. She
says like, you gotta go, and I was like, Okay,
I'm going now.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I don't know if you remember this this particular night,
but I had the privilege of interviewing you before because
when I think it was the fiftieth fifteen anniversary of
Napoleon Dynamite, y you when the cast came through Phoenix
and I was the guy. I was the guy that
was doing the interview when you guys came out and
you play a mean blues harmonica.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh thank you, thanks very much.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
That was a great night.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
We had a great night. And yes, and you were
you moderated us didn't I did.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I didn't really do much. I basically introduced you guys,
and you guys just took off. You were you were
like you were wound wound and ready to go. I
didn't have to do much.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, you're actually one of the rarities because we don't
have we don't have moderators, and we haven't had moderators
for gosh, probably since around that time. We haven't won,
you know, so so you were you were one of
the few that we've had. So pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I will tell you that you were a much easier
interview than John Cusack was when he came through for
say anything. That was a tough interview for me. That
was really to get him to participate. But you guys
were amazing. So okay, get the finale by the way
of White Lotus is on tonight or I guess, depending
on where you are. Yeah, well it's tomorrow already. It's

(03:04):
tomorrow already.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
True, that's right, that's right, it is so.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I've watched every single episode and this show is so
hard to describe. Mike's done such a good job of
coming up with this. I don't know if a lot
of people know that the career of the show was
a survivor, not like, you know, like of a hurricane.
But on the TV show Survivor, he was a survivor.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
And this came in second Survivor. He almost made it.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
He did. Yeah, he did very very well, and he's
so good it writing compelling but not necessarily likable characters.
There's not a other than the security guy in his girlfriend.
There's really nobody that you're really rooting for on the show.
You're just seeing what is going to happen to them?
What is it about this kind of TV?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
You do kind of root for. Some of them you
definitely are rooting for, like Chelsea, you know, like Walton
Goggin's girl, Yes, and she's sweet, so sweet, and you're
hoping that she either you know, he either wakes up
and starts being cool to her, or she like you know,
takes off.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, you kind of root for Parker Posy because
she's she's amazing and everything.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I know, she's so funny, She's so funny and and
you know, you can't help but feel bad. And I
think even now, like people are saying they feel bad
for Patrick Schwarzenegger's character Saxon because he's been kind of
a dick all along, if I can say that, and
now all of a sudden, he's like showing that he's
like he's like this vulnerable guy.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
You know, what do you think is about this show?
You've been on it for three seasons now, and your
character is very kind of mysterious and shifty and you're
just watching his every move. Is what is it like
to play something like that? How does it feel playing
something like that?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know, it's there's a lot of stillness to the character.
So in that regard, are sometimes you know you you know,
it reminds me of I once had a long conversation
with Billy Bob Thornton. He had played in a movie
the Coen Brothers had done that wasn't a really hugely
popular film, but I loved the movie and it was

(05:15):
called The Man Who Wasn't There and it was a very,
very still performance. And I said to him, I think
that performance is masterful and he said, that's my favorite
performance that I've ever done. And uh and and I said,
you know, how can how do you find that stillness?
So we talked about that and then lo and beholds

(05:37):
here's Gary slash Greg or Greg slash Gary. And there's
a stillness that you know, kind of brings me back
to that same conversation that I that I had with
Billy Bob and how it takes an incredible discipline.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
It does.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
It really does to just kind of hold back. You know,
you don't you just don't want to. You don't do
you don't want to do too much, and you don't
want to feel too much, so you kind of have
to find a the right note. It's almost like a
musical thing, you know, he just kind of find the
right note.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I get the sense that Gary needs to keep his
eye on things so that nobody gets too much of
a beat on him, right, So he's watching the perimeter
at all times.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I mean, you know, it's interesting because you'd think, like
the guy has you know, over a half a billion dollars,
and you know, he seemed almost happy in season one,
and interesting to find that he's kind of curmudgeon. Now
he's a bit of a curmudgeon. He doesn't really trust anyone.
He's a little bit leary and skeptical. And I can't

(06:41):
help but think, what a burden, What a burden, having
all that money and coming, you know, having come by
it through you know, nefarious means, at least it seems
to be the case. And yet he's he's paranoid. He
doesn't you know, he doesn't seem like he's a half person.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Now let's talk about you. Because of White Lotus, you've
been on You've been in Hawaii, you've been in Italy,
and you've been in Thailand and the nicest places I've
ever seen in my whole life. How lucky are you?

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I mean, I'm living my best life.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Huh oh my gosh. It's incredible, and especially the state
for the amount of time. I mean, I was in
Thailand for almost five months. I was in Sicily for
three and a half months. And you know, when we
shot in Hawaii, that was a much quicker shoot. But
I was still there for two months, you know, it
was still and especially that was during like the heart
of the pandemic, so it was really wow. I just

(07:36):
you know, it's like being being airlifted out of a
really bad situation. You know.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
How do you explain this show that is so hard
for me to describe when people maybe haven't seen it
and we're trying to talk them into the I guess
what is it as a commentary on on rich people?
What is it? How do I tell you what it is?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think that I think that you know, the backdrop
is is obviously wealth, but I think that it's also
kind of an amalgamation of of of of kind of
the human condition, you know, in a strange way that
is like we we find ourselves in these kind of

(08:23):
I don't know, uh, you know, like season one was
really about like the disparity of wealth and and like
like uh, a subjugated culture and how how it you know,
it has turned them into surf relative to the people
that are coming in and using and staying in their

(08:46):
places and their land. I mean, I love that theme
as far as like just to kind of raise the
awareness of the fact that sometimes we go to these
places and we we're not. We don't really take a
moment to think, how did we come by this, you
know what, what actually had to happen to get get
to this place? And how how does it affect you know,

(09:08):
the indigenous population culturally? I mean, how does it? How
does it? And I think he addressed it a little
bit in that one. But at the same time, it's
also kind of our our you know, we we we
are we're very uh, we're faulted, you know, we have
we have our faults and we have our problems and

(09:29):
they it doesn't matter whether you what your income bracket is,
you you know, there's still something very universal and human
about these things. And uh and and so I think
that it kind of spans. Yes, the theme in season
one was oppositely subjugation, and this culture on the season
two was obviously sex. Season three is much more about spirituality.

(09:54):
And so these themes that you know, even within the
context like again wealth and all these very wealthy people
in these wealthy places where these people go. But but
yet these these underlying uh themes that that that are
really the thread for the shows and for what I

(10:17):
think Mike White was trying to say, you know, uh,
this one, this particular season with regard to spirituality, I
think is a really it's a real I mean, it's
certainly a funny commentary for me, just to see the
way like Parker Posey talks about, you know, about the
culture and.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
She misses it by a few feets.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Supposed to Christianity, and you know, she has this very
very simple, simplified way of talking about it, and it's
you know, it's funny, but it's probably true. I mean
that's partly why it is so funny.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You know, it's just a it's one of the few. Well,
there's a lot of shows I could say that are
really great right now, for sure, but there's one that
there's something about White Lotus that you almost don't notice
how much happens in an episode because it doesn't seem
like it's moving fast. But then when you get two
or three and you're like, oh, yeah, all that happened,
and all that happened too, and I feel like we've

(11:17):
gotten a couple of bits of closure in the second
to last. But the finale is tonight, and do you
feel like, I know, you can't tell me what's happening,
but do you feel like the viewers will be satisfied
with the resolution, or are we going to want more
like we usually do?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well, I don't know, you know, satisfied is a hard
hard word to apply to this show, because they'll be shocked,
and they will they will maybe some will imagine they've
seen it coming, and some will be completely surprised, you know,

(11:53):
but it's it's definitely I would imagine more will be
surprised than we'll have seen this.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I think your house in Thailand is the best house.
I really want that for you in real life.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
No, I really don't want that house. I mean, honestly,
the house was so big, and so we love the
pool and I love the cove where the house was.
But the house inside felt, you know, very much like
like Greg. It felt cold and cold and kind of
austere and and not not welcoming, not not you know,

(12:26):
not cozy at all.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
It seems bigger than the hotel.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Oh, it's crazy, it's crazy how large it is. I couldn't.
I'm sorry about the cars going by.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, you're in l A. I get it.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, well I couldn't believe how I know, it's very rare. Well,
usually they're all electric going by now, but I I
couldn't believe how how big it was. And yet at
the same time, uh, you know, I mean, obviously if
somebody dolled it up and probably could be very cozy,

(12:58):
but it's just as.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
It was set up. Yeah, that's a lot of dial
it up. Okay, Well, so I can't have you on
Coast to Coast. In fact, Georgian Wura would be so
upset if I didn't ask you this. So you said
you're a listener, have you had any experience? Have you
ever seen a UFO? I might as well ask you
we're here.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
That's a that's a you know what. You know. I
got to just kind of do a shout out to
my friend Kevin Leonard. Uh he is an avid listener,
and he was he is a you know, he's an
amazing studio engineer, recording studio engineer and technician and and
uh he is the one who because I had listened

(13:37):
to it when I was much younger, and he was like,
you got to listen to Coast to Coast because we
talk about that kind of stuff all the time, and
and he really turned me back on to it. And yeah, no,
I have actually, in fact, one of the most incredible
experiences for my brother was he was living up in Bandon, Oregon,

(13:58):
and they had a house with like two hundred acres
and there was a he went out camping one night
with his youngest son and there was a two lights
that literally flew through the valley. Now nobody was there.
They were the only two there and these two lights.
I mean, my brother was h he was back. He

(14:23):
was like, really, you know, sob reminded he's not a
He's not a I don't think he ever. Really, that's
just a beautiful Well he saw this, he said.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh, you're gonna move a little bit of it left you.
Phon's cutting out right into the good part. Okay, okay,
now we got you. Yes, So he saw the lights, yes,
zip over.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
One was a larger light and one was a small
light that was following the larger light. Very much like this,
like the little lights that were following the UFOs and
close encounters with the But he was out there laying
with my nephew and he he saw these things come
and they literally went above them, stopped for a second,

(15:10):
and then just took off. And he said, the speed,
I can't even tell you how fast they were going.
It was unbelievable and we he said, we couldn't sleep
all night after that. We sat there out and talked
about it and talked about it and talked about it.
So he had his experience. Mine was out out on
the Great Basin Highway in Nevada. I was driving. I

(15:30):
like to take the smaller roads, and I saw something
fly through the air and I just didn't know what
it was. It was definitely not a satellite, not a plane. No,
definitely not a plane. It was a low hanging not
This was before again, before drones. This was probably you know,
like fifteen years ago. And it was so low, it

(15:58):
seemed so low. I couldn't tell. I just couldn't tell.
I couldn't. I couldn't decipher the distance that this thing
was was, you know, how high it was above the ground.
But it went by so quickly, and it literally went
behind the mountains, so it looked like it was way
way closer. It looked like almost like a sparkler, but

(16:20):
it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like, it wasn't sparks.
It was something else. But it went by so fast
and it could have been a comet or something, but
it was so low that there there and so vivid
that I felt like this is this is I've never
seen anything like this before.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And I'm amazed. Also, thank you so much for being
up late and coming on with us tonight to talk
about Whitelettus the finale on Max streaming everywhere later today,
since it's Sunday. John Grease has been our guest on
Coast to Coast. Thank you so much, Good luck on
all your your future projects. WILL keep an eye out

(16:57):
for you and you come back and chat anytime you
have an open door on my show, my.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Brother wonderful, wonderful. Yeah great, I'm doing a fallout that
show fall Out.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh that's a great show. And is on that too, right?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah? Yeah, I get to work with him again. He's great.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh yeah, he's he's he's an anomaly of an actor.
You just never know what's going to come. You guys
are both awesome. We appreciate you so much. Back next
on Coast to Coast, Am
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