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Speaker 1 (00:00):
C K and Carmen has been ninety five friends Nos
Home for hip hop and hits. All right, So this
is that time of year, that time of year when
people go back to school, that time of year where
the weather starts to change a little bit, That time
of year where people start to process things a little
bit differently for some reason, when you go from summer
to fall, the leaves change, but also our mentality changes.
(00:23):
That's why I think it's great to have this conversation
a day and have somebody in the studio from a
sin behavioral health.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Introduce yourself to everybody, please.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
How's it going. My name is doctor Tatum. I'm the
CEO of CR Metal's Behavioral Health and I'm a clinical
psychologist by trade.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
When we have someone like you in the studio, it's
important to have a very real conversation about mental health
and the importance of mental health, and especially the importance
of mental health with families, with our youth. Talk about
what you're bringing to the table today.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah. So I was born and raised in this community,
so Fresno deeply matters to me. I've been here for
a long time and after I became a clinical psychologist,
my focus really was on the mental health of this community,
started working with individuals, but then I saw that Fresno
didn't have this infrastructure for mental health care, and so
about six years ago, went on a mission to start
(01:17):
creating programs for people's mental health that Fresno is really lacking.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So where did you see some spots that you feel
needed really severe help?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, so there was sort of this mental health crisis
that everybody talks about, right in my opinion is we
have individual therapy, right, you go once a week forty
five minutes to talk to your therapist, and then we
have inpatient psych hospitals, which is you stay there twenty
four hours a day for about a week. And there
was nothing in between, which in my experience is ridiculous, right, Like,
not everybody can just manage with once a week therapy,
(01:49):
but not everybody needs in patient hospital, right, And so
there's this whole gap in what I call the continuum
of care, and so my goal was to fill that
to provide services there are more than we can therapy,
but less than an inpatient side hospital for people in
like the moderate range of mental health needs.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, let's talk about mental health, and I think sometimes
parents find themselves thinking about their children and not really
understanding what they're going through as teenagers. Yeah, the importance
of understanding the mental health of high schoolers middle schoolers
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I'm a parent of a
middle schooler myself, And so sometimes you wonder like how
much of this as social right, the kids that they're
hanging out with, how much of this is biology, hormone fluctuation,
stuff like that, how much of it is mental health?
And then even when you say, okay, it is mental health,
how much of it is sort of seasonal to your
point in the beginning, right, or how much of it
(02:47):
is a phase? And at what point do I need
to do something about it? Like, you know, what are
those warning signs that I need to get my kids
some help? Those are hard for parents sometimes to discern
with all of the things going on in the teenager's life.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Talk about that, what are some of those warning signs?
What are those things that parents need to be on
the lookout for. And the reason I used summer to
fall as the analogy is because it seems like everything
during the summer is fine. You're hanging out with your friends,
you're having a good time. You're not necessarily in a
school environment. You don't have these stresses of going to school,
dealing with your peers, dealing with your teachers, all those things.
(03:21):
But once all those are introduced into your life, it
seems like kids can get overwhelmed rather quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Absolutely, I mean at any age. The more stressor somebody
experiences in their life, the more likely they are to
experience mental health symptoms. And that's because when things are
all fine and great, you know, it's easier to lean
into that and feel happy and be motivated and connect
with other people. But when things are stressful, like our
body starts to kind of react to that. Everybody has
(03:49):
their different ways of reacting right to stress, whether it's
anxiety or depression. And so you know what I would
say with parents for warning signs, like when you know
that your kid might start to need help is when,
and we call them functional impairment in their field, right, So,
functional impairment is the symptoms are starting to interfere with
everyday tasks, right, So maybe their depressed mood and lack
(04:11):
of motivation means they're not getting out of bed in
time to go to school. They're not getting their homework done,
they're not socializing with peers, they're giving up on things
like skateboarding or video games or sports that they normally
cared about. So or they're starting to use drugs, and
that's you know, affecting their schooling or getting them involved
with a legal system. So it's when the symptoms that
(04:33):
they're experiencing are starting to impair their functioning, their ability
to navigate relationships, navigate school, manage stress, stuff like that,
that it might be time to get them assessed by
a therapist.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Talk about your program, how this program impacts the community,
and how it can help people right here in Fresno
and surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, so Assend Behavioral Health is the program for teens
and it's got the full continuum of care now, everything
from outpage to a residential program. So, you know, kids
that otherwise might have ended up in a psychiatric hospital,
we have an alternative to that. It's a home setting,
it's not a hospital setting. So you know, they have
(05:13):
the sort of comforts of being in a home and
with just six other teenagers instead of you know, dozens
on an inpatient unit. And what that does is it
allows them to feel more comfortable to engage in the
therapy that they're less shut down, they're less defense if
they're more open to the counseling and the therapy that
they get from the treatment providers. And so what we
(05:36):
can do is we can sort of phase them through
our programs in order to really rehabilitate them. Right. So,
there hasn't been this focus on mental health rehabilitation in
our community for a long period of time because those
levels of care didn't exist. And so we can really
structure the amount of services or the intensity of services
that somebody's getting to the intensity of symptoms that they're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
See. I love this because for so many years there
weren't programs like this, and there were a lot of
young adults teenagers that fell through the cracks. And the
fact that you're able to offer a program like this
understand the importance of mental health. It's a big deal.
I think when we were younger, our parents would be like,
(06:19):
suck it up, deal with it. You're okay, nothing wrong
with you. But now it's good to have a service
like this where people can reach out, communicate, have someone
to talk to, go ahead and explain in detail what
this is truly about.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, I agree. I think that that's one of the
things that I love about this generation is that they
have started to find their voice. They've started to be
advocates for themselves and for each other when it comes
to mental health treatment. And so in generations like ours,
where there's a lot of stigma right getting treatment around it,
not being okay to see a therapist or beyond meds,
or something like that you're crazy, all that kind of stuff.
(07:00):
Generation is more open to saying I need help, And
I applaud them for that.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Growing up black, hanging out with the homies, it's not
really a cool thing to necessarily do therapy and talk
about it in the hood and stuff like that. But
I think you see even more athletes now talking about
the importance of mental health. You see athletes saying I
need a mental health break. We actually see people who
we look to as celebrities going I need to check
(07:26):
out for a minute. We have to do this as
normal people as well.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I love it. I love it when people that
have a platform use their voice to normalize something that's normal, right,
Like it's normal, rights normal. We all have struggles, and
sometimes it gets to the point where we need help.
I went to therapy. You know, I was of the
generation probably a viewer, but my mom made me go
to therapy. She h. Yeah, I had to go to
(07:51):
therapy when I was a teenager, but I didn't want
to tell any of my friends, right. And so now
as a psychologist, as a business owner, as a leader
in the community, I want people to know that I'm
in therapy. I'm still in therapy and take medication. I
have depression, like, and that's okay, so do hundreds of
thousands of other people. It's it's normal, like it is
(08:13):
part of the human experience. And so I think the
more celebrities and more people with the voice, the people
with the platform, the people that you know, the rest
of the community is looking to as influencers, the more
we normalize some of these experiences. Just like Lance Armstrong, right,
Like you can have your opinions about him and what
he did in the spread, but right he normalized having cancer.
Cancer used to be such a taboo thing that people
(08:34):
didn't talk about, but he made it okay to talk
about cancer. Right, So now we stand behind people that
have cancer, we like support them. And it's the same
with mental health, Like we got to talk about when
we have depression, or when we have struggles with our
mood or attention or things like that.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I love that you said the word normalize. It's time
to normalize. It's time to have this discussion. It's time
to be real with each other and understand that we
all deal with certain things in life and the truth
is this is normal. Don't be afraid. And that's why
your program is so important. To get the information out
there once again, tell people how they can reach out
(09:13):
to you, get involved in the program, and how you
guys are making a difference right here in our community.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah. Quick point on the normalized thing. One in five
Americans have a mental health condition at some point during
their life. And so it's not just those people, right,
It's somebody that you know, one in five Americans. So
it is a normal thing. And because it's a normal thing,
we want to have programs that are available. We want
to have access to quality mental health care when people
(09:39):
need it, because people are gonna need it, and so
we have programs that suit the needs of people with
all different types of intensities of mental health symptoms from
sort of mild to moderate and even severe. So people
that are struggling with mild depression and you know, don't
have motivation, They're feeling down, they're sleeping a lot, they
are struggling all the way to people that are suicidal,
(10:01):
people that are harming themselves, people that are addicted to drugs,
people that are you know, having a crisis, a mental
health crisis in their life. So we serve the entire
range of people with mental health symptoms and so you know,
if somebody is struggling, we have sort of a spot
for them.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Okay, well, we got to keep this conversation going, the
conversation about mental health. Make this conversation normal. Let's normalize it,
and let's hop out as many people as possible. Thank
you so much for your time this morning. We truly
appreciate you. C K and Carmen be ninety five have
a great day.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Thanks you too.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Ascend Behavioral Health. If you want more details, go to
their website right now. Ascend A S C E N
D BH dot com
C K and Carmen has been ninety five friends Nos
Home for hip hop and hits. All right, So this
is that time of year, that time of year when
people go back to school, that time of year where
the weather starts to change a little bit, That time
of year where people start to process things a little
bit differently for some reason, when you go from summer
to fall, the leaves change, but also our mentality changes.
(00:23):
That's why I think it's great to have this conversation
a day and have somebody in the studio from a
sin behavioral health.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Introduce yourself to everybody, please.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
How's it going. My name is doctor Tatum. I'm the
CEO of CR Metal's Behavioral Health and I'm a clinical
psychologist by trade.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
When we have someone like you in the studio, it's
important to have a very real conversation about mental health
and the importance of mental health, and especially the importance
of mental health with families, with our youth. Talk about
what you're bringing to the table today.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah. So I was born and raised in this community,
so Fresno deeply matters to me. I've been here for
a long time and after I became a clinical psychologist,
my focus really was on the mental health of this community,
started working with individuals, but then I saw that Fresno
didn't have this infrastructure for mental health care, and so
about six years ago, went on a mission to start
(01:17):
creating programs for people's mental health that Fresno is really lacking.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So where did you see some spots that you feel
needed really severe help?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, so there was sort of this mental health crisis
that everybody talks about, right in my opinion is we
have individual therapy, right, you go once a week forty
five minutes to talk to your therapist, and then we
have inpatient psych hospitals, which is you stay there twenty
four hours a day for about a week. And there
was nothing in between, which in my experience is ridiculous, right, Like,
not everybody can just manage with once a week therapy,
(01:49):
but not everybody needs in patient hospital, right, And so
there's this whole gap in what I call the continuum
of care, and so my goal was to fill that
to provide services there are more than we can therapy,
but less than an inpatient side hospital for people in
like the moderate range of mental health needs.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Okay, let's talk about mental health, and I think sometimes
parents find themselves thinking about their children and not really
understanding what they're going through as teenagers. Yeah, the importance
of understanding the mental health of high schoolers middle schoolers
talk about that.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I'm a parent of a
middle schooler myself, And so sometimes you wonder like how
much of this as social right, the kids that they're
hanging out with, how much of this is biology, hormone fluctuation,
stuff like that, how much of it is mental health?
And then even when you say, okay, it is mental health,
how much of it is sort of seasonal to your
point in the beginning, right, or how much of it
(02:47):
is a phase? And at what point do I need
to do something about it? Like, you know, what are
those warning signs that I need to get my kids
some help? Those are hard for parents sometimes to discern
with all of the things going on in the teenager's life.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Talk about that, what are some of those warning signs?
What are those things that parents need to be on
the lookout for. And the reason I used summer to
fall as the analogy is because it seems like everything
during the summer is fine. You're hanging out with your friends,
you're having a good time. You're not necessarily in a
school environment. You don't have these stresses of going to school,
dealing with your peers, dealing with your teachers, all those things.
(03:21):
But once all those are introduced into your life, it
seems like kids can get overwhelmed rather quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Absolutely, I mean at any age. The more stressor somebody
experiences in their life, the more likely they are to
experience mental health symptoms. And that's because when things are
all fine and great, you know, it's easier to lean
into that and feel happy and be motivated and connect
with other people. But when things are stressful, like our
body starts to kind of react to that. Everybody has
(03:49):
their different ways of reacting right to stress, whether it's
anxiety or depression. And so you know what I would
say with parents for warning signs, like when you know
that your kid might start to need help is when,
and we call them functional impairment in their field, right, So,
functional impairment is the symptoms are starting to interfere with
everyday tasks, right, So maybe their depressed mood and lack
(04:11):
of motivation means they're not getting out of bed in
time to go to school. They're not getting their homework done,
they're not socializing with peers, they're giving up on things
like skateboarding or video games or sports that they normally
cared about. So or they're starting to use drugs, and
that's you know, affecting their schooling or getting them involved
with a legal system. So it's when the symptoms that
(04:33):
they're experiencing are starting to impair their functioning, their ability
to navigate relationships, navigate school, manage stress, stuff like that,
that it might be time to get them assessed by
a therapist.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Talk about your program, how this program impacts the community,
and how it can help people right here in Fresno
and surrounding areas.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, so Assend Behavioral Health is the program for teens
and it's got the full continuum of care now, everything
from outpage to a residential program. So, you know, kids
that otherwise might have ended up in a psychiatric hospital,
we have an alternative to that. It's a home setting,
it's not a hospital setting. So you know, they have
(05:13):
the sort of comforts of being in a home and
with just six other teenagers instead of you know, dozens
on an inpatient unit. And what that does is it
allows them to feel more comfortable to engage in the
therapy that they're less shut down, they're less defense if
they're more open to the counseling and the therapy that
they get from the treatment providers. And so what we
(05:36):
can do is we can sort of phase them through
our programs in order to really rehabilitate them. Right. So,
there hasn't been this focus on mental health rehabilitation in
our community for a long period of time because those
levels of care didn't exist. And so we can really
structure the amount of services or the intensity of services
that somebody's getting to the intensity of symptoms that they're experiencing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
See. I love this because for so many years there
weren't programs like this, and there were a lot of
young adults teenagers that fell through the cracks. And the
fact that you're able to offer a program like this
understand the importance of mental health. It's a big deal.
I think when we were younger, our parents would be like,
(06:19):
suck it up, deal with it. You're okay, nothing wrong
with you. But now it's good to have a service
like this where people can reach out, communicate, have someone
to talk to, go ahead and explain in detail what
this is truly about.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, I agree. I think that that's one of the
things that I love about this generation is that they
have started to find their voice. They've started to be
advocates for themselves and for each other when it comes
to mental health treatment. And so in generations like ours,
where there's a lot of stigma right getting treatment around it,
not being okay to see a therapist or beyond meds,
or something like that you're crazy, all that kind of stuff.
(07:00):
Generation is more open to saying I need help, And
I applaud them for that.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Growing up black, hanging out with the homies, it's not
really a cool thing to necessarily do therapy and talk
about it in the hood and stuff like that. But
I think you see even more athletes now talking about
the importance of mental health. You see athletes saying I
need a mental health break. We actually see people who
we look to as celebrities going I need to check
(07:26):
out for a minute. We have to do this as
normal people as well.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I love it. I love it when people that
have a platform use their voice to normalize something that's normal, right,
Like it's normal, rights normal. We all have struggles, and
sometimes it gets to the point where we need help.
I went to therapy. You know, I was of the
generation probably a viewer, but my mom made me go
to therapy. She h. Yeah, I had to go to
(07:51):
therapy when I was a teenager, but I didn't want
to tell any of my friends, right. And so now
as a psychologist, as a business owner, as a leader
in the community, I want people to know that I'm
in therapy. I'm still in therapy and take medication. I
have depression, like, and that's okay, so do hundreds of
thousands of other people. It's it's normal, like it is
(08:13):
part of the human experience. And so I think the
more celebrities and more people with the voice, the people
with the platform, the people that you know, the rest
of the community is looking to as influencers, the more
we normalize some of these experiences. Just like Lance Armstrong, right,
Like you can have your opinions about him and what
he did in the spread, but right he normalized having cancer.
Cancer used to be such a taboo thing that people
(08:34):
didn't talk about, but he made it okay to talk
about cancer. Right, So now we stand behind people that
have cancer, we like support them. And it's the same
with mental health, Like we got to talk about when
we have depression, or when we have struggles with our
mood or attention or things like that.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I love that you said the word normalize. It's time
to normalize. It's time to have this discussion. It's time
to be real with each other and understand that we
all deal with certain things in life and the truth
is this is normal. Don't be afraid. And that's why
your program is so important. To get the information out
there once again, tell people how they can reach out
(09:13):
to you, get involved in the program, and how you
guys are making a difference right here in our community.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah. Quick point on the normalized thing. One in five
Americans have a mental health condition at some point during
their life. And so it's not just those people, right,
It's somebody that you know, one in five Americans. So
it is a normal thing. And because it's a normal thing,
we want to have programs that are available. We want
to have access to quality mental health care when people
(09:39):
need it, because people are gonna need it, and so
we have programs that suit the needs of people with
all different types of intensities of mental health symptoms from
sort of mild to moderate and even severe. So people
that are struggling with mild depression and you know, don't
have motivation, They're feeling down, they're sleeping a lot, they
are struggling all the way to people that are suicidal,
(10:01):
people that are harming themselves, people that are addicted to drugs,
people that are you know, having a crisis, a mental
health crisis in their life. So we serve the entire
range of people with mental health symptoms and so you know,
if somebody is struggling, we have sort of a spot
for them.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Okay, well, we got to keep this conversation going, the
conversation about mental health. Make this conversation normal. Let's normalize it,
and let's hop out as many people as possible. Thank
you so much for your time this morning. We truly
appreciate you. C K and Carmen be ninety five have
a great day.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Thanks you too.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Ascend Behavioral Health. If you want more details, go to
their website right now. Ascend A S C E N
D BH dot com
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