55KRC Wednesday Show - Jack Atherton, AFP, Cong Massie, Judge Napolitano, Tyler Grey

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Just how debilitated it was. Joe Biden. They were telling
us that he was great.

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Today at noon on fifty
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Fifty five k r C the talk station Suite, Happy Wednesday.

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Some says it.

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Will a vacation and that's the way the news goes.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh, nothing going on in the world, have absolutely nothing
to talk about this morning anyhow, great show lined up.
Thank you Joe Jerkers a good producer. I'm Brian Thomas's
to the fifty five KRCY morning. Sure appreciate you tuning in.
I was remember a fifty five Carocy dot com and
you can't listen a live the podcasts are available. I
really enjoyed the take from Breitbart News yesterday on the

(01:08):
whole situation Los Angeles and the immigration riots that are
going on out there. Really unusual perspective, and quite a
few people got back with me on that. I had
one of my fraternity brothers heard it and he said,
I'm going to go back and listen to it again.
So Neil Monroe, the Breitbart News reporter on things immigration,

(01:29):
recommend to check that out. Daniel Davis deep dive on
the Russia Ukraine situation spiraling out of control. Russia just
making greater and greater advances. Ukraine doesn't seem to really
have any options on its side, and it looks like
capitulation or surrender is the inevitable. And draw your own
conclusions on that one. I just get the information from
the retired lieutenant colonel and things military and see it

(01:51):
from my own eyes and the reporting that's going on
on the front lines in Ukraine, Sarah Wolf, property taxes
are too high. Sorry, I just I'm getting the biggest
kick out of this, and I don't know which direction
is going to go. The signature drive to get rid
of eliminate property taxes in the State of Ohio, ballot
initiative to change the constitution, which means the legislative branch

(02:14):
would have no ability to alter the landscape. Now, I
do not like changing the Ohio Constitution. I don't like
how easy it is. There's a lot of efforts to
do it, a lot of successful efforts. But you know,
the constitution is the highest law of the State of Ohio.
But we do have the ability in the right as
citizens in the State of Ohio to do ballot initiatives,

(02:36):
which can include amending the constitution, and we'll see which
direction that goes. I am expecting a very very well
funded opposition campaign to that. I have an expectation that
there will be enough signatures to get it on the ballot.
There are enough property owners in the state of Ohio
if you say, if you just tell them, you know, hey,

(02:58):
sign this petition to end property tax. I don't know
that anybody's gonna think beyond what they know their bill
is like, oh my god, my bill is outrageous. Hell yeah,
I'll sign that. But the devil's in the details, which
is why I find so comical about it. I have
no idea what's gonna happen if it passes. This is
gonna be a chaotic. Probably people are gonna wail, mash teeth.

(03:22):
Oh my god, the park's gonna close, the schools are
gonna shut down.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Bah.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah. Maybe.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's an interesting political exercise. But if the legislative branch
in the state of Ohio actually would do something, would
have stopped the outrageous increases in property tax, would have,
you know, put some sort of limitation on how high
they can go on when these reassessments come in, maybe
the ballot initiative wouldn't have started anyway. Here what Sarah
Wolf had to say with the podcast paid fifty five

(03:53):
caresee dot com. Corey Bowman was on about public public
safety in the streets and I see Sarah Harry injured
whose husband was murdered by a guy who was supposed
to have been on parl with an ankle bracelet. Spoke
with Mayor Aftab Purvol and others, got some information updates
on that and as we find out, boiled down. The

(04:15):
update is since a police department was not notified that
the murderer had cut his ankle, monitor off, no communication,
which is rather interesting, isn't it, hmm, Mayor Purvol, When
when he cut his ankle Monitt of the city law
enforcement should have been notified immediately and he should have

(04:36):
never He should have been tracked down and apprehended. That
this didn't happen is unacceptable. How department of a rehabilitation
correction did not let authorities know that he had gone
into the out into the and in the wilderness. They
knew about it right after it happened. They regularly had

(04:59):
contact with him six times between January tenth and February eleventh.
Then when they attempted to see him on the nineteenth
of February, they well, he left the Halfway house. He
had cut his ankle monitor off, he was out into
the wilderness, and warrant was issued for his arrest. He
was designated a violator at large within twenty four hours
of leaving the Halfway House. And yet apparently they did

(05:21):
not notify local law enforcement. Communication breakdown makes me think
of loed Zeppelin.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Of all the stories that have come out in the
last twenty four hours about the riots in Los Angeles,
and there are a whole bunch of them. They've looted stores.
They actually looted a local sushi restaurant in the name
of what. Why?

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Why?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Why would you attack a local business a sushi restaurant
in the name of what? Supporting illegal immigrants, many of
whom may work there. I don't know. Gas stations looted,
Adidas stores, Nike T mobile. The list goes on and
on and on. And what is burning WAYMO vehicles have

(06:13):
to do with immigrations and customs enforcement? Pivoting over to
an interesting comment yesterday from Nancy Pelosi I'll choose her.
There's a lot of interesting comments from our elected officials,
but this one I thought particularly interesting. Now, anybody's listening
to the Morning show knows for a long long time

(06:35):
since the January sixth riots, which I refer to as
a drunken fraternity party gone wrong, as opposed to Donald
Trump orchestrating the overthrow of the government, which the left
loves to you know, I mean they love saying that,
and not one of them really believes that. Pelosi, speaking

(06:59):
of a press conference yesterday regarding her state and the
looting and the vandalizing vehicles and the objects being thrown
at law enforcement, and the looting of sushi stores. I
could go on. Here's what she had to say when

(07:26):
and I say this as a former party chair, I
don't have any idea why that needed to be interjected
in there, but she did. When there is a gathering,
a large gathering of people, the anarchists see it as
an opportunity and they move in. So you always have
to be careful when whether you see a burn car

(07:47):
or broken window or whatever it is. It may be
the exuberance of the moment, but it may be the
anarchists setting in ah, you mean like ANTIFA Black Lives Matter,
for example, who were a noted group of loyal Marxists.

(08:10):
It was on their website. That's the political philosophy from
what today. Spring Sowing the seeds of chaos is how
you bring about political change in a country. You devastate
the law and order, and that's really what's behind all this.

(08:31):
They're protesting the enforcement of federal immigration law. In the
order of things that ICE agents come in to enforce
federal law, California cannot prohibit the federal government from enforcing
federal law. I know we have a constitutional republic. I

(08:51):
know states have rights, but of course there are federal
laws which trump pun intended state law. But there are
federal law in our state laws. The FEDS, the federal
government as an entity with agents like immigrations and customs
officials are entitled to enter your state and enforce federal law.
That you don't want to help or participate, that's your prerogative.

(09:16):
But when ICE agents come into your community and enforce
federal law, even if your local law enforcement and government
doesn't want to help them out, they're allowed to do it.
But when the citizen re arrive, the population, the citizens
rise up and prevent them from doing their job violently
in the state of California, notably Los Angeles, throwing concrete,

(09:39):
bricks and everything else that these law enforcement officers seeking
to do their job. Then someone needs to protect the
law enforcement officers, the ice agents in this particular case,
if not the population at large like the sushi restaurant.
And yes, there is a certain element within the protests

(10:03):
that will be violent. They'll use it as an excuse.
Maybe they just want to rip people off, Maybe they
see an opportunity to grab something they otherwise couldn't afford,
or just get out of hand given the exuberance of
the moment an opportunity arises. That's why law enforcements supposed

(10:27):
to be there. That's why elected officials are supposed to
step up to the plate and enforce the law to
move in and stop this from happening. And when you
don't do that, when you stand idly by just let
them get it out of their system, someone's got to

(10:48):
do something. And you got an elected official in the
form of the President of the United States of America
that says, listen, I can't abide this. I've seen this before,
We've seen it with the George Floyd protest. We know
exactly where this is going to go. Nancy. Yes, the
protesters who are exercising their First Amendment provide an opportunity
for the criminal element among them to engage in criminal activity.

(11:10):
That's what law enforcements supposed to do. Get in there
and stop that from happening. And so Trump sends a
National Garden to protect the ICE agents primarily, but to
quell the violence on behalf of the citizenry of the
greater Los Angeles area. Maybe they were effective in preventing

(11:34):
another sushi restaurant from getting vandalized or another gas station,
weren't one hundred percent successful because there were all these
acts of vandalism and theft, burglary, crime, property destruction.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
I just it's.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Kevin Newsom think they declared a curfew finally, maybe a
couple of days late. But Los Angeles Fight have put
a curfew in place for a very limited it's like
one square mile. But Karen Bass was forced to have
to do this because of course things got out of control.

(12:27):
Kevin Newsom's angry about the deploying of the National Guard
traumatizing our communities. Donald Trump's traumatizing your communities by sending
out the National Guard in the name of law and order.
I asked the guy that owns a sushi restaurant. I
keep dwelling on that one, I know, but I just
found that rather absurd. Newsen said, these are the men

(12:50):
and women trained for foreign combat, not domestic law enforcement. Well,
it is the National Guard. We honor their service, we
honor their bravery, but we don't want our states militarized
by our own armed forces. Not in la not in California,
not anywhere. We're seeing unmarked cars, unmarked cars in school

(13:13):
parking lot, kids afraid of attending their own graduation. Well,
you know, if I lived in a city where people
are shutting down highways and lighting waymouth cars on fire,
and throwing bricks and rocks and committing other acts of violence,
I might be afraid of going to my graduation too,
But I wouldn't be afraid of the mere presence of

(13:34):
a military force who are there to enforce the law.
I don't think that's why the children are traumatized, and
to the extent they're traumatized by law enforcement officers, it's

(13:55):
just because they've been convinced by the Left that somehow
the law enforcement concept generally is a threat to them.
They're all a bunch of racists. This is crazy, and

(14:16):
you know, you go ahead and try to make some
sense of it, but I mean, they it seems to
me that the left and those who I guess are
supportive of the concept of throwing bricks and rocks at
law enforcement officers and ice agents. They're getting back into
a corner and they can't say the word Trump enough.
But you know, I'm trying to be open minded here,

(14:39):
but Trump's not throwing concrete and law enforcement officers, and
that they want to say that Trump engaging law enforcement
and effort to bring about some peace and order in
an obviously unwinding chaotic situation with, as Nancy Pelosi notes,
an opportunity for anarchists to so violence that somehow Trump

(15:05):
is responsible for that violence. This opportunity that the anarchists
have taken. It doesn't make any sense. I think most
people can see that that doesn't make sense. Five twenty
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He paused for a moment, given I was a bit
long win in the last segment, just sort of on
a rant, I admit, but it's a very special day today,

(15:49):
and I hope she's awake right now. I hope her.
I hope Snickers the cat woke her up early. I'm
referring to my mom. It's her birthday today. And I
am a blessed man. Love my parents to death. I
am a blessed man for having them as my parents.

(16:11):
My mom did a wonderful job taking care of me
and my sister, of course raising us stay at home mom,
which was an absolutely beautiful thing. Stay at home mom's
the unsung heroes of the world. And I hate the
fact that, you know, the women's movement is some somebody
just over time just ended up belittling the concept of

(16:36):
a mother who stays at home and cares for children.
But she was always there. It is my mom who's
responsible for my love of an appreciation for wonderful food
and cooking. Used to hang out in the kitchen and
watch her prepare, and she was always interested in pursuing
you know, like new things. Dad always encouraged her, you know,

(17:00):
you know, all kinds of different foods from all around
the globe. Growing up. She was always willing to try
new recipes and that was just one of the things
I remember. But just blessed to have had have her
as my mother. Still blessed to have her as my mother.
And I don't talk about it as if she's gone,
But I really love you, Mom, and I hope you

(17:22):
have a glorious and very happy birthday five twenty five.
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I rely on the news.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Wake up, Love your play System up Mom's favorite. Yeah, Mom,
Mom's always listening to system anyway. Happy birthday, Mom, five

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or three two three to five, five fifty eight. We
got out and see what Tom's got this morning. Tom,
welcome to the Morning Show, and a happy Wednesday to you.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
I don't know what the hell is going on. I'm
just barely missed being involved in something crazy here in Northside.
I'm on my way through to go to UC and
some guys just walking his bike across the street and
just drops his bike right in the lane of traffic
and then sticks his arms up like he's like he's
challenging us to a fight or something. What's what's going

(18:47):
on here?

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I'm going to go with drugs?

Speaker 6 (18:53):
Ah, come on, now, that's faithless excusations. Bright, you just
pulled that.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, you know, how do you how do you explain
the inexplicable? I mean, is it his bike, it's his
mode of transportation. Why would he throw it down in
the middle of the street, throw his hands up in
the air, challenging no one that he knows.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
I mean that.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Sounds like drug induced behavior, That's all. What else do
I have to go on?

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah, you know, a second thought, you might be on.

Speaker 7 (19:19):
This up, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
My recommendation to stay the hell away from him, do
not encounter, do not engage.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
I got around him as quickly as I could. I
think I even squealed my tires a little bit trying
to get the hell out of there. I don't have
any need for that, So hey, happy birthday, Mom, there
you go, happy birthday. And you know, we talked the
other day about you know, life or death jobs, and
you were talking about how you know your job isn't
life or death. Yeah, and there's jobs out there more

(19:49):
important to stay at hell, mom, probably one of the
toughest jobs on the face of a planet. So one
of my motivations are getting up and going to work
every day when the kids younger is I don't want
to be around these people all day long. There's no
way you couldn't pay me enough.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
There, Oh, I know, I know. That's why I get
my life credit for our children even being alive right now.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
I mean, so this is a good springboard into this conversation.
So I had I had a great talk with my
youngest last night. He's twenty eight now, and we like
to you know, go back in the rolodex and and
remember some good old days and stuff like that sometimes.
And this whole thing with the riots in LA prompted

(20:34):
us to kind of talk about some some different family
things and what's going wrong, what went wrong here, and
and what's some things that could go differently. And I'm
sure you can remember incidents in your childhood and we'll
just for the sake of being more appropriate, Let's say
Dad finally had enough and he put his foot down

(20:55):
and that's it. I'm done. You guys are done this, this,
whatever's going on is over. I'm putting a stop to
this right now. And the very next thing everybody, including Dad,
is thinking about, is what's mom gonna do. How's mom
gonna react. Is she gonna jump in and defend the kids.
Is she gonna stand behind Dad with her hands on
her hips too? What's mom gonna do? The other parent

(21:18):
is very key in this situation, because if the kids
smell blood in the water, if they see a weekly,
it's over. You're you're gonna lose that battle. And the
kids are gonna keep doing whatever the hell they want
to do because they know you don't have any support
and they're gonna do everything they can to make you
look like the bad guy. That is exactly what's going

(21:38):
on out there at California, and Governor Newsom is an
absolute failure as a leader. He's a failure. He is
he should be standing behind the administration going, you know you,
people would stop throwing molotov cocktails at police cars, a
concrete blocks at federal agents. You wouldn't be in this trouble.
That's what should be going on. That's what he should

(22:00):
be saying. But he's a failure and he's pandering, and
he's a he's a bleeding heart liberal.

Speaker 7 (22:06):
Who I don't know.

Speaker 8 (22:08):
Now that the right, and now.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
That enough people in this country you're seeing how stupid
this kind of behavior is and it's not racist to
stand up to it. More and more people are getting
the idea, you know, we gotta we can, we can
actually do something about this. We can we can actually
stop this, and we're not afraid of being called racist.
These these liberals are in a losing position and they
just keep digging their hole deeper and deeper. So don't

(22:31):
vote Democrat. Have a great day, Right.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I appreciate it, Tom h All. He ends on that note. Yeah,
and you know he's right of a newsome and you know,
I go back to that pip it back to Nancy
Pelosi's coming about anarchisticy. These these protests as an opportunity.
You know, things will devolve when someone's willing to engage
in criminal acts, which suggests criminal acts done in the

(22:55):
name of what illegal immigration, anti Trump filling the whatever
political motivation they've got. But even if you're on the
side of the messaging from the peaceful protesters Kevin Newsom,
you can't defend the violence. And what they do is

(23:15):
they pivot over and say Trump is responsible for the
escalation of violence. No, that was going on before Trump
sent in the National Guard. I mean, I think they
think Trump is sort of all powerful, like he's got
a magic wand that he can wave and cause people
to do things. I can't go back to January sixth,

(23:39):
and at no point in time that Donald Trump ever
suggests storming the Capitol Building, not once, although some are
of the mind that there were agitators within the crowd
that stirred the pot, and that some of those agitators
may have very well been old maybe FBI agents. I've

(24:03):
read that. I don't know that to be true or not,
but there's enough people out there that believe that. And
that's what happens when you get when you get a
group of people together who are already politically agitated, and
you start suggesting things like maybe we should go ahead
and kick in the door. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah,
come on, come on, come on, and well and next
thing you know people are listening to you and going

(24:23):
ahead and doing it. They otherwise might not have done that.
But it doesn't take a whole lot to get people going.
But if you're of the mind that you want to
engage in that type of activity, maybe just because you
want an excuse to break into a store and loot
it to get free stuff and things. The more people
around you that are engaged in criminal activity, burning cars

(24:44):
and throwing bocks and bricks, the more likely days you're
gonna get away with your criminal behavior. Maybe that's the
sole motivation. Maybe they have no political stripe whatsoever, They
just want to break in and steal stuff. It does
provide a convenient opportunity. Five thirty six fifty five Charosity
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Speaker 5 (25:05):
Be right back fifty five K five forty It's.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Five care City Talk Station. Happy Wednesday, Happy birthday, Mom,
and feel free to call. I do have a stacker stupid,
but I'm gonna take Pat's call first. Pat, thanks for
calling this morning. Welcome to the Morning Show.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Good morning, Brian.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
Another way to start today with you informing us of
the stupidity of our liberal whatever you want to call them.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, be careful. I don't want to have to hit
the dump button and cut off your comments.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (25:39):
I've tried to be very careful in not using profanity
in any application these days, and it's a challenge because
you're dealing with of that mental capacity. There are just
there are a few select words that apply. Yeah, this
whole revolutionary fervor that these people are intoxic, hate it

(26:00):
on And since they have no creative ability other than
to destroy, they get paid to do this. And I'm
not really sure if it's Sorows or the Chinese or whoever. Yeah,
And that's the only way they can make a living
because otherwise I don't think they have the capacity to
think clearly, because when you say that men can have babies,

(26:23):
guys should be able to compete against young women in sports,
and all this other collapse the house of cards and
then what do you have, just a pile of paper.
Why are they trying to destroy something that is one
of the most unique developments in recent history the United States?

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Well, it's the delusion of Marxists. They don't believe that
anyone should have more than someone else. It's a it's
a political philosophy built on envy, covetousness, anger, maybe a
failure to be introspective. Why is it that I don't
have as much as that guy down the street? And

(27:04):
you know, I'll put myself in that position. I don't
have as much as a lot of people out in
the world. You know why, because I lack motive, initiative,
the entrepreneurial spirit. I don't know how to build an
iPhone or create a product like that. I know I
have limitations. I accept them. I'm willing to work within
the parameters of my own intellect, and you know I
have capitalized on that. Thank you to my mom and

(27:25):
dad for insisting that I get a good education and
you know, go out into the world and provide for myself.
Can I get it? Can I earn as much as
Bill Gates? No, the guy's smarter than me. He deserves
to make more than me. Marxists don't believe that. They
believe that everything belongs to everybody. That your your intellect,
your genius, your capacity, your contribution to society is not

(27:50):
your own. It belongs to everyone.

Speaker 9 (27:53):
Well, you know what the fallacy of all that when
I read about, you know, the Communist Manifesto and all
that kind of thing is they're always in a constant
outflanking maneuver so that they can live like kings, and
you are going to be their serf, and they're going
to convince you, kind of like Tom Sawyer, Hey, this
is a great gig to paint this fence. But in
the mean time going to stand here and watch, and

(28:16):
you're going to do all the work and I'm gonna benefit.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Exactly. That's why in every so called quote unquote communist regime,
the leaders of the Communist Party live like kings. It's
exactly what Neil Monroe was talking about yesterday, the bright
Bart news guy on what's going on in California. It's
like the Gilded Age. The California elite live like kings,
and they have illegal immigrants serfs working for substandard wages,

(28:44):
and they don't want that sort of regime to collapse
on itself. Very interesting analysis from him. I recommend again
going to the podcast page and listening to that to
anybody who didn't hear him yesterday. A completely different take
and one that came for me out of left field,
but I appreciated his an out on that fat Well.

Speaker 9 (29:01):
See, I was really happy to be able to listen
to that part of your show yesterday because finally somebody
way smarter and more educated than me came up with
in a conclusion that I had come up with before,
and having been around those kind of people, it was
kind of Wow, somebody else sees it the way that
I do. Maybe I'm not just a knuckle dragger who

(29:23):
actually oils for my living.

Speaker 10 (29:25):
And I'm not.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
Jealous of other people because, like you said, they're smarter,
they figured out a way, they built a better mouse trap. Well,
my mousetrap was kind of blunt. It was at the
end of a baseball bat. So there you are not
going to find everybody you know.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
And and thank God for him, Pat. Like I've always said,
I'm been a W two employee my entire life, from
my very first job working as a stock boy at
IgA to now. I'm glad there are people who built
enterprises and businesses, or, in the case of being a lawyer,
law firms that were willing to hire me own as
an associate. I didn't do that, but I'm glad they

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Speaker 1 (32:32):
By fifty fifty five KRC Detalk Station. Happy Wednesday and
Happy birthday to Mom. Extra special day for me. Let's
go to folks. You a cribbage Mike's Guy, my submarine
or friend Mike. Welcome to the morning show. Three in
a row, Brother, three in a row.

Speaker 13 (32:48):
Right, you are on a roll, and I think I
have sharpened steel with all our games. So it's always
a pleasure every month.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Bryant, I have learned from the masters. Some of what
you know has rubbed off you. Always of having an
ace when you need it in the game of cribbage,
that just blows my mind. It's like you you can
see into the future. I'm hanging onto this ace because
I'm going to need it anyway.

Speaker 13 (33:10):
You notice, you notice I'll always wear short sleeve shirts.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
So nothing, nothing to sleeve. What's on your mind today?
My friend?

Speaker 13 (33:18):
Speaking of listening a lunch First and foremost, because I've
had the absolute pleasure of meeting your mother, I want
to wish her.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
A very happy birthday today.

Speaker 13 (33:25):
Many because I too was blessed with a mom and
a stay excuse me, a dad, a hard working dad
and a stay at home mom with west Side values.
And I know myself and my five siblings the people
that we are today are attributed to them. And I
know you can definitely say.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
This absolutely without question. I'm glad you had the same
situation I did. You and I are are blessed to
have been in that position. And God bless a mile
from you and my friend, Oh no kidding, Yeah, west
Side values, which which means you have a certain frugality
about about space. Big time, it's in the water. On

(34:02):
the website, hey, reading.

Speaker 13 (34:07):
Knowing the tremendous pain and grief that widow Herringer is
going through with a murder of her husband, reading her
latest post very delicately talked about her meeting with Police
Chief Fiji and Mayor Purival. This reminds me of the
situation that those parents went through when their son was

(34:27):
trapped in the mini van, and the change that they
affected at the nine to one to one center there
is going to be changed. She is on this like
a pitbull on a bone, and for good reason. You know,
she wants accountability and the fact that the Probation Department
was not out there. How many other knuckleheads like this
gentleman are out there? Probably not after yesterday's meeting. No,

(34:48):
but you know what I do with the casino and
in my capacity and the four years I've been doing
that were line of work. We have cooperated with CPD
and the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office on multiple occasions, and
I know that they have even tremendous more assets than
what we have, and that this guy would have been
in a bolo status and on their radar for the
last four months. I can honestly say that that murder

(35:12):
probably would not have taken place. He will affect change
within the Probation Department and hopefully that both CPD and
the Mayor's office and the Probation Department gets.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Direct together amen to that. Because the Approbation Department apparently
did not alert this insane police department that this guy
had cut his ankle monitor off back in February, and
they knew back in February that he did appreciate what
you do, Mike, and thanks thanks for the call of
my Friend's always a pleasure hearing from you. I look
forward to maybe extending my winning streak. Next listener, lunch,

(35:45):
let's see here. I'm gonna get one stack stupid and
maybe two go to Las Vegas. This is the unusual
where a woman's been charged with killing a drunk driver
who was on methen fetamine while she was driving under
the influence of cocaine and alcohol. Charges against thirty seven
year old Summer Butler come months after the fatal clash happened.

(36:07):
It happened. It crash happened in January. Accused of traveling
seventy three miles per hour with an alcohol level of
point one zero two when she crashed into a car
that was making a U turn in the center lane.
Police said the person who died in the accident going
seventy miles per hour when the accident took place. Butler's
vehicle traveled one hundred and fifty feet. The other driver

(36:28):
and their passenger ejected from the vehicle when she was
receiving medical care. A small baggie of cocaine or a
small bagging containing a white substance fell out of the
left side of her bra. Identity the deceased driver and
not released, but police said the driver had an alcohol
level of more than three times above the legal limit
was under the influence of methanfeminine and methan fetamine. Police

(36:50):
officers responded the scene noticed Butler was acting in erratic
when she arrived at the hospital and was sedated by
the staff there. Content of the baggie that fell out
was later confirmed to be cocaine. Test results weeks after
the accident also confirmed that she had cocaine canbinoids as
well as canbinoids in her blood. The other guy was

(37:10):
on methink you think that was like Gods sticking his
hands out saying we need to eradicate both of these
people from the face of the earth. Just the thought.
I personally don't believe that, but just the thought. Uh
Texas man told police that he uh blasted his fiance

(37:32):
in the head with his shotgun and then lived with
her rotting corpse for over a week, allegedly laying with
it quote for approximately three days close quote at one
point before fleeing due to the smell. What you know,
I don't think I need to read any more of
that article. It goes on for two full pages. You

(37:55):
get the gistifty five cases I've curious to the talk station,
plenty of time talking to six o'clock hour. Fast forward
to seven to five The Big Picture with Jack add
and Donovan and Neil for Americans for Prosperity, with the
Save Our Salary Rally, not to be confused with the
No Kings rallies which will be rained out this weekend.
Stick around with me right back after the news at

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Speaker 1 (38:27):
And hope you're having a decent Wednesday. It's a great
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a segment I always look forward to Big Picture with
Jack add in today's topic a great Father's Day movie.
Jack just does a wonderful job. Commentary is amazing, Donald
and Neil Americans for Prosperity, Save Our Salary rally, and
then we get the No King's Rally this weekend, which

(38:49):
looks like you're going to be dealing with some thunderstorms
and rain o boo, who so sorry about that? Congressman
Thomas Massey eight oh five The Hour of Power eight
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(39:11):
you'll appreciate, on the riots out in LA and Trump's
ordering in the National Guard. I did alert him in
advance that his conclusions might run a little a foul
of my greater listening audience. But he does have the
Constitution on his side, So it's going to be an
engaging conversation with the judge this morning. Trey Tyler Gray
rather with his book eight forty five Forged in Chaos,

(39:35):
a Warrior's Origin story. So there's your lineup for the
morning calls coming in five one, three, seven, Fred eight
hundred eighty two three Talk pound five fifty on AT
and T phones, and an extra special day. Happy birthday
to my mom. Love you to death, Mom, and thank
you for all that you've done for me. Let's go
to the phones right now. Steve's on the line. Steve,
Carl and Bobby hang on, Steve, Welcome the morning show.

Speaker 15 (39:57):
Yes, sir, So the fi Andy shoots the shotgun blast
of his soon to be married bride's face and then
lays with the body for three days. I mean, there
there is a lot wrong with that one.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Oh yeah, and the story went on.

Speaker 15 (40:13):
I mean, any paragraph would have been adequate on that one.
So that was weird. The reason I'm calling, and I
apologize if this is not accurate. On the ankle monitor.
One of my guilty pleasures. My wife and I watched
Dateline and you're always, you know, after the fact, somebody

(40:34):
killed somebody whatever, and you know how it happened, why
they did it, and they hadn't And I don't remember
what municipality is. Somewhere in the country. It was a
couple of years ago, and it was the ex husband
that had an ankle monitor on and he ended up
killing her. And actually he was coming to her house
at night and I like sitting out there in the

(40:55):
street watching and he was not. The monitor was supposed
to pre vent him, in her mind, from being able
to get near him.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
And in her mind, well, well.

Speaker 15 (41:08):
But up to that point, I thought that if you
violated the parameters of where you could go with that,
bells and whistles go off and the police find out
about it. Turns out it was contracted out to a
third party to monitor, very much like the red light cameras,

(41:30):
where there's an outside entity that hey, we'll do it
for this amount of money and they monitor it. And
all it does is if it proved that, yeah, he
was there the night that you got killed, or that
the woman was killed. So it was very much after
the fact you could see that he violated the parameters,

(41:52):
but it didn't in any way cause anybody to do
anything when he was doing it.

Speaker 10 (41:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, the terms of your parole, so you got to
wear an ankle monitor and you have to stay within
the confines of your residence or within the parameters of
your yard that if you walked out of that then
there would be some notice that went off saying listen,
you know the geographic boundaries that are defined. He's gone
outside of send out the police of the cops, but
apparently they're not watching him that closely. In this particular case,

(42:22):
of course, he cut his ankle monitor off. They knew
it because they went to do a parole check on
him at the halfway House and they issued a general
warrant but didn't let the police officers or law enforcement
know about it. And I guess the only reason they
knew he'd cut his ankle monitor off is because they
went to do a parole evaluation and he wasn't there. So, yeah,
break down the system. And maybe we've all been sort

(42:44):
of misled in terms of what these ankle monitors do.
So let's not take comfort in them. Let's judges out there.
When you're talking about maybe putting someone on parole and
giving them an ankle monitor, maybe you might want to
reconsider that if they represent a breught to society, like
a guy who almost beat a man to death and
served time as a consequence for that, was released two

(43:05):
hours or two years earlier. Maybe just maybe let's see
what Carl's got this morning. Karl, Welcome to the Morning Show.

Speaker 16 (43:14):
Good morning, Brian Say. I have a public service announcement
for your listeners. The judges of the Hamilton County Police
Court are going out into the community and speaking to
the residents of the community and on June seventeenth. They
are going to be over at to Price Hill Recreation Center,
which is at nine to five to nine Hawthorne Avenue.

(43:36):
The meeting starts at six pm last till seven point thirty.
On June twenty fourth, they are going to be out
at Anderson Center at seven eight five zero five Mile Road.
I attended the meeting that was held over to Community
Action Agency on Monday evening, and it was very informative.
Of course, the Common please Court handles the major cases,

(43:59):
criminal cases, and any civil case that is over is
more than fifteen thousand dollars. Before the meeting, they had
pamphlets out there explaining when you could go to the
expungement clinic. They just had an expungement clinic yesterday. They
are going to have another one on September eighteenth. They
also had a pamphlet there that tells you where you

(44:21):
can go for your OVIIDUI class and also if you're
a driver that's got twelve points or so or you're
up to ten points, you can take a remedial driving
class and they give the location of that. But I
specifically went to the meeting to ask a question, and
here was a question that I had to put down
on a postcard or a note card, and the moderated

(44:44):
screened the questions. My question was why does the criminal
justice system keep failing the sentence of Cincinnati? And then
I went on to say Patrick Herringer, a business owner
and over the line was murdered in his own home
by a psychopath career criminals. Well, they were unable to
answer that question because that is a current case that

(45:06):
is going to be before the judges. Now, the judges,
they had seven out of the fifteen or sixteen judges
at the meeting Monday evening. Most of them are Democrats,
but all of the judges have agreed to attend at
least one of these meetings, so there will be different
judges at these different locations. I learned quite a bit.

(45:28):
For example, one of the questions that came up is
why are black people or African American people never allowed
on juries or why do we never see African Americans
on the juris And the judges answered the question, Yeah,
they just had a case and they had an African
American on the jury. They had African Americans in the
pool system. But here's a kicker. Fifty of the jury

(45:53):
Summons's cards are ignored by the people who receive them.
The judges are doing or as they're sending out twice
as many jury summons cards, even though on the summons
card it says, you know you can get in trouble
by the sheriff if you do not respond to this
summons card, and you will. Also if you go to

(46:14):
this meeting and Judge Branch is there, you will get
to hear her say in person that every single person
is bondable and that's a quote another quote everybody should
be out on bond, and a number of the other
judges kind of agree with the same thing. Some of
the questions that came up were what is your policy
on setting bonds and the judges had different opinions. In

(46:36):
fact or presiding Judge Cross she got in trouble because
early on she considered the safety of the community when
she set a bond, and she set a high bond,
and she was sued or something or was taken up
to the court and I think she was ruled against.
But then it went to a House Supreme court and

(46:56):
they said, yes, considering the safety of the community is
a valid reason. And then of course we got the
constitutional amendment that said judges are to consider the safety
of community. So very interesting meeting.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, and in terms of them not commenting on a
current case, I understand that they can stand behind the
truth it is. We can't render advisory opinions. That's in
other words, you give them a factual scenario and you
want to know how they might rule one way or another.
They can't do that. They're prohibited of the Code of
Ethics or the Judicial Code of Conduct from rendering advisory opinions.

(47:34):
It's a pretty broad reaction to comments about pending litigation.
And I kind of understand why they wouldn't want to
comment on a case that actually is pending, because this
guy is being charged with murder. So but yeah, I'm
glad you made that announcement. Let folks know, and you know,
it's important to show up and ask these questions. Yeah,
bond can be set very high, and sometimes no bond

(47:58):
is allowed because the person represents such grievous are but
potentially grievous harmed to the general public, or is a
flight risk. That's another thing.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
They quite often will require people to render their passport
to the core. Turn it, turn your passport in, so
you can't flee the country. Yeah, all kinds of different scenarios,
but yeah, threat to the public at large absolutely a
something that judges must consider, and many judges would not
consider that before we amended the law. This makes you
kind of scratch your head, doesn't it. And there's a

(48:28):
lot of judges, the leftist judges, liberal judges out there
that don't believe in cash bonds. They don't believe. They
think it's it's unfair because poor people can't come up
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Twenty two, fifty five Krcity Talk Station. Happy Birthday, Mom,
go to the phones, we go. Bobby's been on hold. Bobby,
thanks for holding over the break there. Welcome back to
the morning show.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
Happy hump day, my brother.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Happy birthday to my mom.

Speaker 10 (50:43):
Day seventy oh yeah, that's wonderful. Hey, be prepared for
the seventy two hour window. Myk frame, there's gonna be
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Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I just I see the
breakdown of the Democrats trying to explain away that how,
somehow that people throwing rocks and looting sushi stores, gas
stations and waymouth burnings are somehow Donald Trump's fault. I
don't think the vast majority of people in the United
States believe that for a moment, and nor do I
think the vast majority of the people in the United States

(51:12):
are not in favor of law and order and maintaining
the law and having safe living environments. So you know,
there might be people that want to ride in the
streets and create violence and unrest and tear down this
country of ours, but I think most of us, you
included Bobby, would react to that and that we would
be on the winning side of the equation.

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Well, my brother, the only thing is give me shelter
should be the song.

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Okay, we'll put that one down. I don't know if
Joe added to the bumper list, but maybe let's see
what Jay's got this morning. Jay, Welcome to the Morning Show.
Happy Wednesday to you.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
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Speaker 5 (51:51):
Hey.

Speaker 18 (51:51):
I was feeling bad because my past two phone calls
to you were more contentious than I wanted them to be.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I don't mind.

Speaker 18 (51:58):
I was gonna ask Joe to just give me the
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five KRC that I can give you the biggest douce
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for the next ten weeks. And you shared some things
yesterday about.

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The coffee pots, oh yeah.

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Shampoo containers and the bed spread, and you kind of
got even to where I changed my whole attitude that
maybe joke accusing music for you after I've got i'd
kind of live in this room without coffee.

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I'm sorry, man, I'm just speaking the truth. I didn't
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I just didn't.

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(57:18):
course dominated the news of late the murder that occurred
the other day, and I know there are other murders
out there, but since they please chieve three Teresa Thiji
put the blame for the fatal stabbing of the over

(57:39):
to rhine Man on the state because the state didn't
tell them the accuser, who was on probation, had broken
off his angle monitor months earlier. Mordisha Black is the
guy stabbing Patrick Herringer inside his home on E. Mcmckonn Avenue,

(58:02):
recently released convicted felon, now facing charges of murder and
aggravated burglary. According to prosecutors at his arraignment, Black was
released from prison on probation with the ankle monitor in January,
cut it off in February, and it's been on the
run since. Thiji and Mayor after have Prowall said city
police were never notified when he cut off his ankle monitor.
Thiji stated, quote, law enforcement is only one part of

(58:25):
the public safety puzzle. When we arrest and charge violent offenders,
there must be clear policies and procedures in place to
manage their reintegration into society and to secure and ensure
that they are held accountable to the conditions of their
post release supervision. Now moving over to the higher Department
of Rehabilitation was supposed to be taking care of the

(58:46):
situation and monitoring this. Joe Ellen Smith, a spokeswoman, and
I'm just relying on the reporter from the Cincinnion Inquirers,
David Ferrara. She said the state lost track of Black
after he was released, lost track of him.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Now for her part, Sarah Henninger, and it's worthy, it's
a worthy read because she met with Mayor Aftab Purvol
as well as with Police Chief Theji. And here's what
she had to say this morning, nine am. This is
from yesterday. I met with Chief Police Teresa Thiji and
Mayor Aftab Provol. During the meeting, I learned something every
resident of the city of Cincinnati should know. While they
were aware that Patrick's killer was out on parole, they

(59:29):
were completely unaware that he had broken that parole and
that no one from the parole board had notified local
authorities a violent fella and removed his ankle monitor. The
actor alone is a felony, and yet there was no alert,
no communication, no pursuit. Why because there's no system connecting
the parole board with local law enforcement. It's just not
a bureaucratic oversight. It's a fatal failure and in public safety.

(59:52):
Amen Sarah Mayor Purval admitted that he was unaware of
that failure. I told him directly, this is something that
I hold him accountable for. I also told him he
needs a find out what other holes exist in the
system before another family pays the price. He agreed to
do that. I told him I expect transparency. I expect
him to own where the system failed, including where he failed.

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He said he would. I made it very clear I
will be working with every with the city, every step
of the way. But I also told him we will
be watching results of what matter now. Words don't mean
anything without action, and I will be sharing those results
with you every step of the way. We myself, the city,
the police, and members of the press have all demanded

(01:00:35):
documentation from the parle boards showing what actions, if any,
were taken to lokate Patrick's killer after he violated parle.
None of us have received a response. That silence is
not just unacceptable, it's revealing. It confirms what we already know.
There is no urgency, no accountability, no functioning system in
place to stop violent offenders before it's too late. Chief

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Thiji has said that their data shows that there are
enough patrol officers that's in quotes on the streets. But
crime is rising, violence is increasing, and if criminals are
no longer deterred, then whatever presence exists is not enough.
The outcomes speak for themselves. Of a meeting with the
police union to hear directly from the officers doing their job,
what they need, what's missing, and how the city can

(01:01:19):
finally start listening to people trying to protect it. I'm
not here to pit departments against each other. I'm not
here to perform outrage. I'm here to get this fixed.
I want systems rebuilt, not burned down. I want accountability,
not excuses, and I want the people responsible to make
it right so that this never happens again. Fatal error

(01:01:42):
in the system costs the love of my life his life,
and I refuse to allow myself, his family, his loved ones,
or his community to be the only ones who carry
the consequences of that negligence. Someone will be held responsible
and we will change this system. Lease share this post
and help me with it, so, Sarah, I am happy

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to share the post. Prayers to you and your loved ones.
You're right, this should never have happened. It's like you know,
when I talk to Jay Ratliff. He always talks about
you know, it's going to take something devastating before the
f the Federal Aviation Officials, or anybody else who's in
charge of airline safety do something about it. They kick

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it down the street, they kick the can, they kick
the can. They don't do anything until something horrific happens,
and then people finally wake up to what's going on,
and that's when action occurs. Problems have already been identified,
This should have been addressed a long time ago. Six
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Happy Birthday, Mom. Also Happy Wednesday to everybody. Jack Aden
and at the top of the Aerona's with a big picture.
Just always enjoy that. I hope you do as well.
I think it's just brilliant, real quick. I have a
couple of friends out there in the world, one Facebook
friend Eric, you know who you are, and my friend Andy,

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who is a x MELL military ten years SYOP. He's
the meme guys, and I thought this one was particularly
interesting in terms of memes. Just go in a different
direction than the riots in LA for just a moment.
But it's something that you know, things that make you
go hmm. And I thought it was worthy. Read SA
be a Californian watch a freeway paid by my taxes

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get blocked by rioters on food stamps paid by my taxes.
Rioters get arrested by a cop paid by my taxes
who will claim disability for a decade, which we paid
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still get audited by the irs paid by my taxes.

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Things that make you go h, here's something scary. I'd
like to think. The anointed leader of al Qaeda, say
had been at f al Alwaki, does not hold any
weight or influence over anyone in the world other than
the crazies who follow him. Sadly crazy's here in the

(01:05:23):
United States. Thank you to the Biden administration and the
two million known godaways I'm sure which include members of
al Qaeda. Anyway, the al Qaeda annointed leader in the
Arabian Peninsula has issued a call to arms targeting Donald Trump,
Vice President JD. Vance, as well as other top administration officials,
including Elon Musk by names and cabinet members. There's a

(01:05:47):
six million dollar bounty on this guy's head. Released the
thirty four minute video over the weekend. Here's what he
had to say, at least in part. As a first,
practical and immediate measure, I call upon every Muslim in
the infidel, criminal, and arrogant United States. It does not
matter if they are of Arab, American or other descent.

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What matters is they are Muslim and their prophet is Mohammed.
There are four point five million Muslims in America alone.
I am saying to all of them, revenge, revenge. Do
not consult anyone about killing infidel Americans. You should have
a lot of determination and the list of your targets
should be effective. Go after the scum of the earth
and its greatest criminals. This is Trump and his VP.

(01:06:31):
This is Elon Musk and his advisors or any supporters
of them of Finance, administration technology. These include the Secretary
of State and his security of Secretary of Defense. Go
after their families and all those who have any ties
to or are close to the politicians of the White House. Now,
I don't read this in order to issue, you know,

(01:06:52):
to echo what he wants to have done. This is
widely reported he actually did issue this, you know, request
for assassinations. And it's just illustrative of them. What sure
all of these folks live through and deal with every
single day. I mean, you read the account of the
net job who shot a hole in Donald Trump's ear

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and what that kid was going through. What a psycho,
not a Muslim, just what appeared to me based upon
the reporting has come out, just a kid that went
absolutely backcrap insane on us. But I suppose Liederball kinda

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does have some sway and influence over some fundamentalist Muslims
out in the world. And I've been saying all along
with the open borders that we've been dealing with up
until Trump got elected, and there's still be any more
sneaking in. Why would you sneak in if the border
was open, all you had to do was stop at
one of the check in facilities, give your name, and

(01:07:57):
in you went, and put on a bus through wherever
you wanted to go. Pretty much, if you're sneaking in
in spite of the realities of your being welcomed in
at one of the border stations. Maybe you have nefarious
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Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Off top of the our news a big picture with
Jack Eithered and followed by Donavan O'Neil. I know the
No Kings rally is going to get rained out, but
there's save our salary rally. He's going to give us
all the details on just go to the phones. Jim,
thanks for holding over the brake there. Welcome to the
Morning show.

Speaker 8 (01:10:01):
Gooding, Brian. As you just mentioned, we get this call
from overseas from these nut job as lamost to kill
all the people here. And we're pretty certain that there's
over eight my my understanding, from those people, and I
know that there's over eight thousands of these radical Islamis

(01:10:21):
has stuck across our border in our country and they're
probably just waiting them selves.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
That's what I think to go after us uh.

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
And and then when you watch what's going on in
these riots, there's there's there's they have a common purpose
with these radical comedies that are doing the same thing. One,
why aren't we going after people financing these because these
are heavily financed and a lot of it with our
taxpayer dollars. And two, I'm sorry, I was trained to

(01:10:55):
kill people and break things. We got the military there.
When you've got people stepping out the line, Why don't
we have our snipers that we can see. There's heads throwing,
Rick's trying to kill our concrete, trying to kill people.
Why don't we have them with a camera, watch them
in the act and take them out. These people are
got very brave. You knocked off one or two and

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they stop.

Speaker 10 (01:11:19):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Use the deadly force under the C I hear you,
I hear you. You're entitled to use deadly force if
someone is faced with the eminent apprehension grievous bodily harm
or death. I think that might help them more than
it would help us, though, see what the Marxists one,
That's what I conclude. All these people are. They want

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a violent reaction from law enforcement. This helps them, you know,
with the narrative that law enforcement's bad and they're you know,
the the agents of the government are all evil, they're militaristic,
and they want to oppress, uh, the citizenry at large.
And if if you overreact, I mean think of George
Floyd or any the other people that became prominent names

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because someone well, what was the case out in LA
that started all this, Rodney King, wasn't it. I Mean,
let's face, if you see that video, the police got
a little out of hand, beaten the living crap out
of that guy in spite of the fact that he
was resisting arrest. It feeds the narrative, and what became
of that movement became the defund the police movement. That's
exactly what they want. They want lawlessness, they want chaos,

(01:12:27):
they want disorder, they want revolution. So while it may
be justifiable to do what you suggest under some circumstances,
it would not I think, serve the greater public good
by taking them out in that manner, and that they
would then have a rallying cry to engage in more

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protests and riots which would ultimately get out of hand.
See Nancy Pelosi's observations which I started the morning show.
When there is a gathering, she said, a large gathering
peace people, the anarchists see it as an opportunity and
they move in. So she's trying to excuse and separate
the violent actors in that group from the people who
are protesting. ICE is doing its job, but you don't

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want to help the Marxists along in their cause. That's
why police officers are trained to, you know, exercise a
large measure of restraint because the minute they use deadly
forced they are going to be under the microscope and
their lives themselves are at risk. They will be docksed,
they will be threatened as justifiable as their actions are.

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It puts them in a very difficult position, very difficult.
Thank you, Jim. I mean you may, I understand where
you're coming from, but you see, that's why you know,
this is the reason. You know, when the mayor of
the city of Los Angeles doesn't act, when the lape
Police Department can't act, and can't you know, quell the
violence in the situation, you bring in the National Guard

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to help assist. You want to stop it from happening.
We could happen. Five days after all this started, they
finally put a curfew in in Los Angeles, narrow and
limited in scope as it may be. Shouldn't that have
happened earlier on in the process?

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
Did?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
The Left is waking up to the reality that people
want law and order and screaming Trump caused this is
not convincing a single human being that he's responsible for it.
It's the Nancy Pelosi's word anarchists who are responsible for it,
and they've got an agenda six fifty five fifty five KR.
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Speaker 19 (01:15:06):
Seven oh six.

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Happy about Ersee the talk station had a Happy Wednesday
and happy birthday to my mom. Been saying that all morning,
but I'm happy to say it, and I hope she's listening.
And I'm also happy it is Wednesday at seven o
six because we get to get a big picture with
Jack adad and welcome back Jack. Always impressive commentary and
thoughtful analysis from you, and it's just has become one

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of my favorite segments of the week.

Speaker 19 (01:15:30):
My friend, Happy birthday, Mom. I hope she has many
many more. And to you and Joe, happy Father this day?

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Oh thanks man?

Speaker 19 (01:15:39):
The father is this Sunday. Yes, appreciate that you and
I have lost our dance, but we have so many
good memories. For instance, one of the first movies my
father took me to, who was Dun't dun't du.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
Du dut d d d d?

Speaker 19 (01:15:53):
You remember that one? The Magnificent seven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that real times.

Speaker 19 (01:16:02):
Tampon. Tim Waltz might not have seen that film, but
everybody else has. It's the classic western about seven gunfighters,
including Yule Brenner and the Cincinnati Kids. They they defend
a village from bandits.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Chuck Bronson, too, right, Juck Bronston.

Speaker 19 (01:16:20):
Yeah, yeah, he's the one I really want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Oh yeah, I don't jump the gun.

Speaker 19 (01:16:24):
A bunch of kids, the children of the farmers, at
one point, tell Charles Bronson that their fathers are cowards
for not being able to defend themselves. So Bronson, you
know what he does, Brian, He spanks the boys. This
movie was made in nineteen sixty when kids could still
be punished for showing disrespect. More important than the spanking, though,

(01:16:48):
Charles Bronson explains, you think I'm brave because I carry
a gun, Your fathers are much braver because they carry
responsibility for your brothers and sisters and your mothers.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Folks.

Speaker 19 (01:17:04):
That's the spirit, the magnificent spirit that's going to make
America great again, fathers and mothers and everyone else taking
responsibility because society relies not on top down big government,
but on citizens taking responsibility for faith, family, community, patriotism.

(01:17:25):
That as true for our democracy, as it was for
the earliest democracy that inspired our founders, the one we
often talk about Brian, Ancient Greece's Athens. The Greeks coined
two words that I think explain almost everything that's right
and wrong with our world today, entropy and antilochy.

Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Entropy, as a.

Speaker 19 (01:17:48):
Lot of your brilliant listeners know, is now a scientific term.
It means falling into a state of disorder, and according
to the laws of nature, a disorder tends to increase
over time unless you do something about it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:18:03):
Sometimes disorder is good. It means that organisms and systems
are evolving, it's something more efficient. But entropy can also
be bad, like when a family descends into chaos because
the parents are not keeping an eye on their kids,
how they're doing in school, where their friends are, how
they're being poisoned or bullied online. The same thing happens

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in politics. You can have the most beautifully balanced and
limited government, separation of powers, strictly defined powers so the states,
and more important, each citizen retains personal freedom and responsibility.
That's the constitution our founders gave us. But thanks to entropy,

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that one big, beautiful system of government is always in
danger of being corrupted by powerful special interests, including people
in government itself and their donors and unions who put
them there. It's not a matter of keeping what you
have from evolving from improving. That's not my definition of conservatism.

(01:19:09):
Times change and change is not necessarily chaos. We thought
to end slavery and racial discrimination. Women can now vote,
Folks can debate which other changes are good and which
are destructive. And that brings us to the other Greek
word antilochy. It means the right kind of change, not

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falling into disorder, but instead realizing potential. The classic example
the Greeks gave an acorn grows into a tree. That's antilochy,
fulfilling the acorn's potential. Now, it's true, Brian, and acorn
does not have a lot of options. You don't hear
many acorns say, MA, being a tree may be fine

(01:19:52):
for you, but I want to be an online influencer.
Human adolescents have more options than a and they can
disagree with their parents about the best way to realize
their potential. Still, throughout history, most societies have agreed that
the best way for kids to develop is to learn

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self discipline, study, achieve mastery of something. That San Francisco
plan we talked about last week, Brian to let kids
past tests with scores of just twenty one percent that
would have kept them living on the streets of San Francisco.
And I don't mean the TV show children realizing their
potential can also give something back, maybe in the military, business, education,

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the arts, perhaps becoming responsible parents themselves. To sum up,
entropy is always trying to pull things apart. That's the
easy way to go through life. Just go with the flow,
succumb to peer pressure, pop culture and sync to the
lowest common denominator and tell a key contrast steers us

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toward growth. We have to be vigilant, eternally vigilant, and
fight to keep what's important from collapsing. And teleky takes
effort because we're not a chords, because being all weak
can be as humans means taking responsibility for ourselves and
something more than ourselves. Those seven gunfighters were magnificent because

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they took responsibility the way our fathers did and hopefully
we do too. That's what we're really celebrating on Sunday,
and as we did last month, for mothers to include
in your mother. I hope she had a wonderful day,
the way we should every day. So my friends, the
next time you're not sure about the right thing to do,
just remember that's the greatest movie theme song of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
But really, I agree with you completely. I love that movie.
And you know it's interesting because I had forgotten that
scene from the movie until you started your recounting what
Charles Bronson said. It is a very important lesson till
we remember we remember all the shooting. Oh yeah, exactly.
But you know, I have said so many times over

(01:22:10):
the years, Jack, and again, I'm happy with my mom's birthday,
and and God bless her for all that she did
for us. Stay at home mom and she she just
bent over backwards to make sure that we were on
the right path. And of course Dad supported in her efforts.
But I've said, and to your point on education, the
greatest gift my parents ever gave me, beyond the gift
of life, was that ensuring that I got a good education.

(01:22:33):
You know, you got to fend for yourself. And the
idea that schools have deteriorated so much and that kids
are passed along to the next grade without achieving the
fundamental skills on any given grade level is setting themselves
up for disaster and reliance on a social welfare safety
system that our elected officials are failing in every way

(01:22:54):
to keep, you know, to keep going. I mean, it's
it's set for collapsing of itself right now. But the
more dumb people we put out into the world, the
more people who are going to be reliant on government services, welfare,
you know, snap benefits of housing assistance, whatever, the speedier
it is we're going to fall to for the system

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to collapse.

Speaker 19 (01:23:17):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
It's just it's a horrific thing to behold, Jack. It
really is.

Speaker 19 (01:23:22):
Our political rivals, I won't call them enemies, but our
rivals actually are seeking a three tier society. The elites
they consider themselves elites at the top, government functionaries in
the middle, and at the bottom all of the payoffs.
And I use that word advisedly because they are talking
about people from all over the world, some of them

(01:23:44):
coming from Latin America, Asia, now Africa. Wherever they are,
they bring in as many people as necessary, especially a
state like California, which is losing it's citizenry, they have
to bring people in to keep up their congressional delegation
because you know, we people not citizens, right, and they
are happy to have those people simply live off the

(01:24:05):
crumbs that they give them off their own table and
then trade with the rest of the world. They've been
turning that we talk about this often the rest of
the world into the manufacturing base of the world for decades,
and we've allowed that to happen because the people at
the top are making just as much money having manufacturing
in China as they would back here at home.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
I talked about this yesterday with Neil Monroe from Breitbarten.
He provided a comparable analysis to what's going on in
California and why they reject the whole idea of deporting
illegal immigrants, even the criminal illegal immigrants. They rely on
their cheap labor, and I use the words a gilded age,
and that's kind of what it's become out there. You
have the uber rich relying on the peons as your peons,

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as you pointed out, people who are willing to work
for very little wage and are then reliant on that
to keep the system going.

Speaker 19 (01:24:57):
And at least in the guild and age, Bryan, we
have the Andrew Carnegie's and the Jay Goulds and the
rest of them. They were building up manufacturing here in America. Eventually,
people who were being mistreated at their factories and their
other concerns were becoming middle class Americans. And really that's
the way it should have continued. We should have been
able to raise wages in a rational way and keep

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this manufacturing here, if only for national security. Forget about
economics for a moment, although I never do, and goodness knows,
Donald Trump never does. You have to have a middle class,
a thriving, ambitious middle class, in order to be able
to have a country. It's just as necessary as borders.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
And you know as well as any human being out there,
that that is exactly what Marxists detest, a comfortable, happy
middle class, because it does not create enough.

Speaker 19 (01:25:46):
To know why Marxism did not take hold in Europe
as in Western Europe, as Karl Marx had been forecasting
it would in eighteen forty eight, in the eighteen seventies,
it didn't happen. It had to happen in a place
like Russia, and then in a place like China, and
then in Cuba, where you had peasants, yes, stead of
middle class people, well and it's interesting the reforms that

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came about as a consequence of the oppression of the workers,
like here in America with you know, union organization brought
about labor reform, brought about higher wages, and that freed
people from you know, what was the pullman neighborhoods where
they you know, you work for nothing and you had
to spend all your money at a company owned store
and therefore really had nothing to show for it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
It's the labor reforms that came about that allowed laborers
to become middle class, and so you have to applaud
those efforts, something completely different from what the unions are
all about these days.

Speaker 19 (01:26:42):
Amesley and I love to go whitewater rafting, and frequently
we go down to West Virginia. The last guide we
had with our group going on a raft, it was
still bitter, and I could understand why that his family
had been brought to one of those company towns where
they actually gave you company money. That's all you could spend, right,
you had to use their currency to buy their goods

(01:27:04):
at extortion at prices. And he said, you know, my
family was never able to recover from that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
That's I understand that completely, and you know, thank God
for reforms. Otherwise Jack, you and I he might be
living in a Marxist communist country right now.

Speaker 19 (01:27:20):
And getting back to our parents. By the way, in education,
if my parents had not hired a tutor, and we
were not the kind of people who hired a lot
of tutors, and we came from a normal middle class
family like yours, but I needed one to be able
to pass math classes when I was in school. Yeah,
i'd be working for one of the company's and there's

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nothing wrong for that. Necessarily, everybody has a choice, Goodness knows.
We always talk about people learning trades and not having
to go to college, and goodness knows, not having to
become attorneys as you and I did until Lord that
up great attorneys out there. We weren't cut out for it.
But yes, we have to put every child, rich and

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certainly in middle class kids in schools where they can
then make choices, good choices, choices that will allow them
to take responsibility.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Amen to that, brother, And the only reason I am
not still practicing law is because someone decided they want
to offer me this job, and I was happy to
take it because you and I both know the practice
of law is not necessarily enjoyable anyway. In the foundation,
it was the foundation I had. I mean, I've told
people before if I hadn't practice law for sixteen years

(01:28:30):
and taken depositions and interacted with people from all walks
of life, I wouldn't be in a position to be
able to hand competently handle this job.

Speaker 19 (01:28:37):
Well, you know what I often tell people is that
even if you're not going to be a lawyer, I
think everybody should take a few law courses. Oh yeah,
when they were in college or maybe even in high school.
Certainly everybody should learn something about the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Amen years ago.

Speaker 19 (01:28:51):
I don't know what's happened since at Harvard. I suspect
nothing much that's good. Harvard stopped making constitutional law A
reques Are you in law school kidding me? That happened
back in the seventies. Yes, when I was when I
was going to lie I didn't go to Harvard. I
didn't want to go to Harvard, but.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
But yes, I had no idea. I don't know if
it's still the case. God, I hope not, because certainly
they're not teaching constitutional principles in civics classes in school
these days. Although I know we're moving in back in
that direction in many in many school districts.

Speaker 19 (01:29:25):
Jack's finds so good that you have Jods napaul atano
on even if we don't always agree. Yeah, he comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
On issues, amen. I like today. Maybe a little bit
controversial for folks, but you know that you're you're.

Speaker 19 (01:29:38):
He's going to teach you how to think about an
issue exactly important.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
The free exchange of ideas and going back to your
Greek concepts. That's where the the positive change can come from.
We have free speech, we can talk about it, we
can work through the pros and cons of it and
figure out whatever direction we're going, whether it's the right
one or not. Jack add In, always brilliant, always wonderful.
I always look forward to this segment. I'll look forward
to next Wednesday already, and as I always end, best

(01:30:03):
of love and health to you in your better half.

Speaker 19 (01:30:07):
I'm always grateful, Thanks so much. Happy for Thursday, everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Thanks brother.

Speaker 20 (01:30:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I know they're working on the big beautiful bill, and
I just I hate even having to say those words
because I just hate the name of it. But the
one that's going to keep our taxes down, obviously, there's
some infighting within the Republican Party, shocking literally no one.
But most of the problems stem from that it doesn't
cut enough. We were all expecting something that was going
to pair back the size and scope of government, a

(01:30:34):
llah Doge type cuts, but it didn't deliver on that.
Congressman Thomas Massy's going to join the program at eight
oh five to talk about that aspect of it. And
I know they're talking about in the Senate making some
cuts to the big beautiful bill, but notwithstanding on no
Americans for Prosperity is behind it, and there is apparently
a save our Salary rally. Let's talk about that, Donovan.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Well, Yeah, from Columbus to Washington, across the country, we've
got opportunities to cut taxes, let people keep more of
their hard earned money. This is the kind of stuff
right we've heard at the doors, we talked to voters about,
and people mobilized in support of sending a new Republican
majority to Washington and strengthening the conservative majority in Columbus

(01:31:18):
to get this stuff done. Now in Ohio, we're gonna
have a two point seventy five percent flat income tax.
Our folks are rallying in Columbus for that today, and
then I'm out here with some of my colleagues from
across the country in DC, talking not just with numbers
of Congress on the one Big Beautiful Bill and the
recisions package that they're about to vote on, but in
the Senate about the improvements they can make to strengthen

(01:31:38):
the one Big Beautiful Bill, but most importantly, make sure
the Trump tax cuts stay permanent.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
Right, So we're working at all on all fronts this week.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
All right, Well, everyone seems to be unif lockstep immunity
over keeping the tax cuts in place, so I don't
think there's any argument or debate over that. I mean,
the Democrats want to raise our taxes, we all know
what they're all about. But moving aside from that, you know,
like for example, salt, why are we rewarding these Democrat states?
I mean, you've got Republican advocates to raise the ten

(01:32:06):
thousand dollars flat rate up to forty thousand dollars, which
benefits only these crazy high tax Democrat states so they
can write off the taxes that they pay. There, why
are we rewarding them? And is that something the Senate
may cut out well, Yeah, And I think what that
was part of the salt.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
In some of the conversations we've had with members of
Congress and their staff yesterday and anticipating more of those today,
that is a point of contention, and I think Ohio
Senate offices understand that. I think part of the challenge
was piecing together a wide ranging conference in the House
where you have some of these folks in coastal states

(01:32:45):
who constituents are demanding that right or wrong. But I
think recognizing that if you know, we can get this
out of the House, which is the bigger hurdle and
has been done, get it to the Senate, where there
is a lot more deliberative body, a lot more deliberation
on what these processes should look like, we can potentially
remove that salt. And that seems to have been received
fairly well as we've been talking to members of the

(01:33:05):
Senate around around that salt giveaway.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
So we'll see where it ends up.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
But I think it's understood that forty thousand dollars exemption
as a reward to these blue states that impose these
high taxes on their citizens just isn't really great policy
in an area for improvement right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Well, and if the Senate takes it out, I think
that takes the pressure off of the Republicans from those
states saying listen, I tried, but it's more important that
we keep the taxes lower for all Americans and get
this thing passed than it is for us to get
rewarded for our high tax states. So sorry, sucks to
be you, but we tried, and we couldn't do it
in the Senate. So this is much better than saying no,

(01:33:44):
because we want to keep that salt deduction at forty.

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
Grand Yeah, And I think that's part of the strategy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:51):
You have a lot less Blue state senators than you
do blue state Republican congressmen, right, and so there's less
of a desire I think in the fifty three men
in the US Senate to support the salt deduction.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
I think the question then.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Is some of the insight baseball, right, is then if
it comes back to that when it goes back to
the House, if it gets it's assault is eliminated entirely
or gets too big of a haircut, what do those
thirteen or so salt Republican congressman do?

Speaker 5 (01:34:18):
Do they hold the bill hostage? I think you call
them on the bluff where I am.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
I think you call them on the bluff because there
they're refusal to vote for this when it comes back
to the House, would be a vote in favor of
four point five trillion dollars in new taxes on Americans.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
It's just highly unpopular. So we'll see. This stuff is
never beautiful though. You know that, and you'll probably give
you more of the insider stuff on all that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
But the important thing here is that they're moving forward
aheaded schedule, and there's hope that this thing can be
all done by July fourth, which would be quite an accomplishment.
I think folks were expecting late summer, but we can
have these tax cuts made permanent then.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
And then also there's the recisions package. Are you going
to talk with Congressman Massey about that? It's it's a
big it's an important beginning step.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
I think, yeah, Well, let's dive into that a little bit.
We'll bring it back down on the Americans for prosperity.
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Americans for Prosperity. On I'm talking about the Big Beautiful
Bill and the impact You mentioned the recision that I
sort of independent from this. It wasn't on my list
of topics with congressom asking me may very well get
around to it. But beyond the Big Beautiful Bill, which
also gets rid of, I might underscore this, and I

(01:36:37):
think it's very important because I don't believe that you
and I are responsible for our carbon dioxide, our exhalation
changing the temperature of the planet. But it eliminates a
trillion dollars of these green energy tax credits. I don't
know whether Elon Musk is really upset about that or not,
but you know what I mean. If you've got to
incentivize somebody to pay for some to buy something, you

(01:36:57):
know the reason I'm going to buy an EV is
because I'm getting seven thousand dollars from the federal government.
You know, good ideas don't require force or coercion, and
I think those are bad ideas, and I don't believe
I should personally be responsible for paying for.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
It, Oh, without a doubt. Yeah, I mean that was
one of the big things too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Right as we were out there talking to voters last
year to send folks like burning Moraine to beat Shared
Brown and send Burning Moraine at Washington. They wanted to
undo the disastrous effects of Bidenomics, and these green energy scams.
Is trillion dollars in subsidies were at the heart of that,
and so called Inflation Reduction Act, the scheme where the
federal government said we're gonna spend more money. I don't

(01:37:39):
do the disastrous effects of the government spending too much money.
It was wild And yeah, the one big, beautiful bill
gets that done. Not one single bill is going to
do undo all of the problems that we sort of
find ourselves in at this moment in our country.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
But getting the tax cuts made permanent, undoing things.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Like the green energy new scam, and then bringing in
recisions packages to begin to chip away at the overall
spending problem and codify the dose cuts is the way
we're going to begin to kind of change the culture
and turn the ship and.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Move in a better direction, No question about that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
I guess I'm just do you do you understand any
understanding of what else the Senate wants to change. I mean,
I've seen some you know, discussions around the margins and
they're we're talking about compromise, and I don't know specifically
other than like the salt point, what the Senate is
proposing are do they are they willing to accept the

(01:38:39):
the the work requirement for Medicaid, which I think is
an important valuable thing for people out there. They that's
a program. It's designed to help people truly on life smartines,
not able bodied adults, and you know, Obama expanded all
that to include literally scores and thousands or if not
millions of people who otherwise should be out getting a
job or at least trying or exerting some effort to

(01:39:01):
get some job training.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
Yeah, And we brought that up with both Senator Marino
and Senator Housted's teams, and we'll see both of them
here shortly this morning, the members themselves. But we talked
about Medicaid, and I think, you know, they understand what
the program is designed to do, and they're not trying
to impact that, right they but like like many voters
believe those programs are designed for folks who are senior citizens,

(01:39:26):
who are our low income, who have you know, disability,
disabled disabilities, the folks who truly need that assistance, right,
who need that help, who don't maybe have other mechanisms
in their lives to help support them.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Right, And that's what the program is designed to do.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
But it's grown to eight different qualifying groups, and most recently, right,
you know, ten years fifteen years ago, Ohio was one
of those expansion states, and those expansions, right, haveled able,
able bodied working adults to go on the program without
any other requirements.

Speaker 5 (01:39:59):
So we need to change that. I think that's something
that the Senate's going to do.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Came up several times, and I think we're going to
see that as a key improvement and we need it
quite frankly.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
We're finding fraud, waste, and abuse in Ohio.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
State Representative Mike Davilla put out a report identifying six
billion dollars in money going to folks. Ten thousand of
these people are millionaires. Brian, Yeah, close report and it's
just wild. And so that's the kind of stuff we've
got to change, and I think from Washington making some
changes to Ohio making some changes, we're going to get
that spending growth under control.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
I mean, it's within the control of the state of
Ohio to get its arms around the fraud, waste and
abuse that you just mentioned. We brought this topic up
a million times on the Morning Show, and it just
I just find it appalling. The calculated figures are you know,
six billion dollars of fraud, waste abuse, and that people
aren't eligible or on it, you know, dead people on
the rolls. We can just go on and on and
on for all the things that seem to be so

(01:40:50):
easy to clean up, and yet apparently our elected officials
have no incentive to do it, or there's no it's
no urgency. In every state, you can argue there's always
a budget issue and a budget problem. By not spending
six billion dollars that shouldn't be spent anyway, you kind
of create a solution to a problem that may exist
or may not, depending upon your perspective on un spending

(01:41:13):
from government. But is there any way that like this
bill and someone could amend it to require some obligation
because This is the taxpayers of the United States of
America who are shouldering a huge chunk of the burden
from the federal reimbursement. Federal dollar reimbursement means American taxpayer
dollars and their labor are paying for fraud, waste, and abuse.

Speaker 5 (01:41:36):
Well, yeah, so that's six billion, I believe is just
the Ohio side of it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
It is just the money we send down through income
and sales taxes to Columbus. That doesn't include the federal share,
right as somewhere from sixty five to ninety cents per dollar, Right,
American taxpayers are also sending, so that you basically.

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
Double the number almost nearly.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
And yeah, I mean, and I think that's the stuff
that folks are looking at, right in both in Columbus
identifying some ways to hold the department to medicate accountable
and shine a light on the obfuscation and the problems
in that department. But then also here in Washington adjusting
some of those programs and giving states some more leniency
and ability to manage the program because that also becomes

(01:42:17):
a problem. Right, they ask for these waivers, and depending
on who's president, the waivers approved or denied. We need
more confidence and stability in the way of those programs.
States are able to administer these programs, especially as they
burden state budgets coast to coast.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
And polling on this is consistent with you and I
are saying correct.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
Democrats run around screen but cutting people's medical benefits off
and yeah, that may very well happen. But also it's
the work requirement. No, these people, we need lots of
people in the trades. It's wonderful pivot that I use
all the time. Look, twenty hours a week work. Most
of us work forty if not more. But putting in
twenty hours toward a learning a trade can get you

(01:42:56):
career employment level money and you can be free of
the umbilical court of government. Isn't that something that we
should embrace? And where are the American people on that?
When you do your polling.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Well, we actually just released the pulling two days ago
before we got to the Hill. We released the pulling
and we're sharing it with members and their staff. On
this item we pulled, folks, ninety five percent of voters
want to prioritize care for seniors, low income families, and
people with disabilities, but also nine to ten voters, so
just almost the same amount. Say Medicaid should eliminate waste, fraud,

(01:43:27):
an abuse, so the program provide better healthcare for low
income families and save tax payer money. But what this
really comes down to in a lot of ways, Brian right,
is the messaging war around that right. Democrats have been
going out there saying you're gonna you're gonna put Grandma
on the streets, and you're gonna you're gonna take disabled
folks and leave them destitute.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
And that's not what It's a lie Republicans are doing.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
It's a lie, and so we've got to call them
out on it, as we're doing here, but also stand
up for the folks who are who are fighting to
for the for the stability and strength of these programs
so that they can exist for the people.

Speaker 5 (01:43:58):
Who truly need.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
There you go and see that's one of the more
fundamental points for all those people screaming, oh my god,
you're gonna cut medical benefitial for Grandma, which is a lie.
The stability of the program, it obligates us to get
rid of fraudwaisent abuse, and to tailor it and narrow
it down for those who truly need it because as
of right now, it's not sustainable and people literally will,

(01:44:19):
including grandma and people on life's margins, will lose their
medical coverage if the program falls and collapses because of
how huge it is and how unsupportable it is in
terms of the number of dollars. It's just craziness.

Speaker 7 (01:44:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Well, and you know the problem here then becomes right
tight time tables on getting these things done. You know,
Congress very quickly will be looking at reelection, and that
always silly season comes around. It's harder to have the
political will. And it's why it's so important to get
this big, beautiful bill done. Sen make their improvements, take
a good bill and make it better, and get this
to the president's set so we can have these things

(01:44:56):
we're talking.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
About accomplished done in the bank comes July.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Fourth, Donovand is there a rally?

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
Well, yeah, so on the state side, we're busy on
all front here.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
As I said, we're rallying in Columbus today, So if
your listeners are able to make it up there to
the State House one o'clock this afternoon on the State
House steps. Senator George Lang is going to be joining
us for to save our salaries rally. It's a rally
in support of a two point seventy five percent flat
income tax, the second lowest in the country, the lowest
in the Midwest.

Speaker 5 (01:45:25):
Brian, this has been our number one priority four years
and we're.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Rallying today because the Senate will vote on their budget
bill this afternoon that includes that flat tax provision one
o'clock at the State House, Senator George lang afp Leebray, Ohio.
It's going to be a good time and a real
celebration of the work we've done over the last decade
to go from nine brackets down.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
To two one one flat tax, one flat tax. Yeah,
that I call that fair anywhere anytime. Take your infote
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Wednesday to you, a happy birthday to my mom, and
I'm so pleased. I call it my favorite hour of Brady.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
When we get Congressman Thomas Massey followed by Judge Anapolitano
and welcome back to the thirty five Carse Morning Show.
Congressman Massi, it's always a distinct pleasure having you on
the program. Great to be on with you, Brian, I
was thinking about the song Missus Robinson Simon and gar
Garfuggle laugh about it, shout about it. When you've got
to choose any way you look at it, you'll lose.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Under the first Trump administrations are our deficits swelled, and
then you get even worse under the Biden administration, where
thirty seven trillion dollars are almost in the hole. And
I had I had great expectations and since we now
control the House and the Senate and the executive branch,
that the Republicans would deliver on pairing back the size
and scope of government, most notably on the heels of
what DOGE revealed as small as it was compared to

(01:46:55):
overall government spending. We spend a lot of money on
a lot of really stupid, wasteful stuff, and there's also
a heapload of fraud, wasted abuse. And yet the so
called big Beautiful Bill doesn't really do anything by way
of cutting the direction we're going on Congress from massy reaction.

Speaker 7 (01:47:12):
Yeah, well, I've got a little bit of good news.
Let's start out with that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Oh good to vote.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
We're going to vote on about nine billion dollars of
recisions this week, either today or tomorrow. That's great news
because I've people are my colleagues are like, wow, Massi's
going to vote yes on somebody, And I'm telling him, yeah,
this is in twelve years the first time I've seen
this actually cut spending anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
So yeah, you're gone right, I'm voting yes.

Speaker 7 (01:47:40):
And there may be some moderate Republicans who have a
hard time getting to the altar on this one, but this,
you know that's going to happen. But here, keep this
in mind, though, Brian. These are billion The recisions are
billion dollar answers to trillion dollar profitts. We have a deficit,

(01:48:00):
that's how much we add to the debt every year.
We have a deficit of about two trillion dollars and
a trillion of that is interest. Yeah, these are crazy numbers.
And I did a calculation. We're about to take a
bunch of our debt that's at you know, zero percent
or two percent or three percent and refinance it the

(01:48:23):
next year because it's short term debt at five percent
and above, because that's what the thirty year notes at
five percent, the twenty year notes at five percent. These
are this is what the government pays people to finance
our debt, and so I did a quick calculation.

Speaker 5 (01:48:41):
It's going to be.

Speaker 7 (01:48:42):
Sixteen thousand dollars a year in interest per American family
that the government is paying. That's sixteen thousand dollars that
every family is responsible for ultimately in the end, per
year where they get no services whatsoever. It's just interest
on the day.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
It's like a credit card bill bill.

Speaker 5 (01:49:04):
I know, the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 7 (01:49:06):
Let's put it in perspective, is a sixteen hundred dollars
tax breaker per family. So we're racking out sixteen thousand
dollars of debt per family just an interest per year,
and we're talent actually racking up about thirty two thousand
dollars of debt per family, but it's sixteen thousand that

(01:49:26):
its interest. And we're telling folks, we're going to give
you a sixteen hundred dollars tax break, and we're going
to spend another They're appropriating about two hundred and fifty
or three hundred billion dollars of money in this bill,
some of which I agree needs to be spent for
border enforcement, but some of it is just military.

Speaker 5 (01:49:48):
Bloat.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Well, I see, I'm glad you brought that up specifically
because you know, while I am a supporter of the
American military and the veterans out there, and I've got
their backs, you can't tell me when our military can't
pass an audit, like eight times in a row, there
is insufficient information. We've got a trillion dollar annual expenditure
for the American military that there is not fraud, wasted

(01:50:11):
abuse built into that, and just scads of it that
we wouldn't have to have a trillion dollar annual military
budget in order to meet the actual demands and needs
for equipment and hardware and salaries. You just need to
cut out the fraud, waste, and abuse. They should be
mandated to have an audit. They should go through it
like Doge went through USA for example. I bet they
could find billions and billions and billions of waste and

(01:50:35):
unnecessary expenditures.

Speaker 7 (01:50:37):
But instead we're going to throw more money at Now
here's the interesting thing. There's two buckets of money that
we spend. We spend discretionary money. That's what goes in
the Omnibus or the cr that should be twelve separate bills.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
That's like roads and bridges.

Speaker 7 (01:50:51):
NASA, Actually the Court system, the military, and then there's
the non discretionary or entitlements that would be Medicaid, Medicare,
social security. That's about three quarters of our budget. They
say that this reconciliation bill is only supposed to deal

(01:51:11):
with the mandatory spending the Medicare, Medicaid because the rules
of reconciliation you can't touch those security So Medicaid, Medicare
and some other mandatory programs or what you're supposed to
be adjusting in order to balance the budget and a
reconciliation bill. But they've discovered that they can spend discretionary
money on the mandatory side using reconciliation. Now I haven't

(01:51:35):
got to the punchline yet, so they're going to, you know,
throw another one hundred billion dollars at the military in
this reconciliation bill that should be in the in the
discretionary bill that comes up in September. So they're telling
all of us, well, from the parliamentary rules allow us
to increase discretionary spending and the reconciliation bill, but they

(01:51:57):
do not allow us under a circumstance to de discretionary
spending and the reconciliation bill. They make up these rules
and tell you what they want them to be for
their own convenience when they want to spend the money.
And the reason they're telling me we need to spend
one hundred billion dollars of discretionary money. And the reconciliation

(01:52:18):
bill for the military is so that when we get
to the battle over the Omnibus or the cr that
should be twelve separate bills that will already have the
military plussed up, so we won't have to give the
Democrats more of their money to get more of our
money priorities, which normally be the military for the Republicans.
And they're saying, this will save us money if we

(01:52:40):
go ahead and spend it now, then we will have
to Oh my lord, it's it's pretty crazy. But here's
where we are with all this. You know, I'm still
taking heat for not voting for the big beautiful bill,
but it already passed the House. Now. Interestingly, it passed
a couple of weeks ago. They're going to change the

(01:53:01):
language of this bill today after it passed, they said,
because we haven't seen though, it sounds like you're listened
to fiction at this point. Yes, Lacey said, you got
to vote for a bill to find out what's in it.
Mike Johnson says, well, we passed it two weeks ago,
but we're going to change what's in it before we

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send it to the Senate. They're literally changing the language
substantial portions of this bill after we voted on it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
How can that be accomplished. I mean, there's got to
be some form of protests or objection. It would need
to be revoted on.

Speaker 7 (01:53:38):
Okay, we are going to vote on it, but they're
high to hit in another resolution. It's not even a bill.
There's a resolution to bring the recisions to the floor, yeah,
from the Rules Committee. And inside of that resolution they've
got what's called a self executing amendment. When you vote
for this resolution, there's an amendment that pops up and

(01:54:01):
passes itself without a vote. And the way they can
do this is you're taking the vote. You're voting on
bringing recisions to the floor, and they've hidden this other
matter inside of it, so they can say, well, you
voted to change the language. But the reality is no Republican,
including myself probably is it's going to vote against bringing

(01:54:24):
recisions to the floor. And so that's how they're going
to change the language.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
To build.

Speaker 7 (01:54:29):
Now. I've I've looked at the provisions that came out
last night. This is the other thing we just last
night finally got to peek at what they want to
change the language to today, and it's not I can't
I'm suspicious of some of the changes, but I haven't
found the catch yet. I think they call them technical changes.

(01:54:50):
They're more than technical changes, but they're not too dangerous,
I think. So I'll probably vote for this resolution that
lets them do it, because that's resolution brings recisions exactly,
and I don't want to blame for stopping that. Now
it'll go to the Senate, and there are some senators
over there who are trying to make this bill better,

(01:55:11):
Mike Lee, Rick Scott, Ron Johnson, Ran Paul, and I've said,
if this thing gets better in the Senate, I could
vote for it when it comes back to the House
because we'll we'll have to vote on it again if
they change even the punctuation in the Senate.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Right now, I guess what changes can be made in
the Senate that'll make it palatable for Congress. And Thomas Massey.

Speaker 7 (01:55:39):
They they can find another three trillion dollars of savings
in this bill, for instance, the Green New Deal. This
bill's you know, the House bill doesn't get rid of
the Green New Deal. They call it the Inflation Reduction Act,
but they put a lot of the deal in there.
It says, as long as you start building your battery

(01:56:00):
factory or solar panel thing or whatever by a certain date,
you can still get the subsidies. It doesn't go cold Turkey. Well,
in the Senate they could move that date closer to
today and stop it, and it wouldn't be completely cold Turkey.
There would still be people getting subsidies from the Green
New Deal. But you could save maybe three hundred billion,

(01:56:22):
six hundred billion by moving that up quicker. The biggest
change you could make to save money is there's three
hundred it's about three hundred and seventy or three hundred
and ninety billion dollars giveaway to sanctuary cities and blue states.
This state and local tax deduction, right, Okay, the best part,

(01:56:47):
the best policy of Trump's twenty seventeen tax cutting Jobs Back,
which I voted for, took it put a ten thousand
dollars state and local tax deductions, which if you're middle
class in a red state, it wasn't a big deal.
It wasn't really a tax increase, but for people in
blue states had been getting a.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
Free ride on the local taxes.

Speaker 7 (01:57:10):
They just take that off of their federal taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
We out here in the red states are subsidizing the
Blue states with the with that salt, and that's what
irked me. I was talking to Americans for Prosperys Donovan
and Neil on the last hour about this, and I
find that offensive. And it could provide cover for the
Blue state Republicans who pushed that through that increase to
forty thousand dollars. If the Senate backs it up to
ten thousand dollars and keeps it where it is, at

(01:57:35):
least they can throw their hands up and say, listen,
I can't vote against this because it keeps American taxpayers
taxes low. But I'm sorry. I tried to get the
salt increase, but I couldn't accomplish it. But the broader
tax cuts are more important than me fighting for our
ridiculously high tax states.

Speaker 7 (01:57:53):
Correct, And it's about three hundred and ninety billion dollars
transfer money. Basically, what if the salt means we're just
going to add that much more to the deficit, and
the people in the red states will be paying interest
on the debt because we had this giveaway to the
blue state. It's a total reversal of Trump's policy in

(01:58:15):
twenty seventeen. And the policy in twenty seventeen is what
helped turn Florida red. There were people in California and
New York and said, well, if we're not getting a
free ride on our state and local taxes, we're getting out.

Speaker 5 (01:58:27):
Of these hellholes exactly, and they moved to Florida.

Speaker 7 (01:58:32):
And now you've got La Los Angeles is a sanctuary city,
and we're and with high real estate prices. So this
is a gift to them, to California and New York
and Illinois, and you've got some You've got some Republicans
in the House who want it because they're from this state.
But you don't have any senators from blue states. There's

(01:58:54):
no you know, Republican senators. Right, they should just outright
clean this out of the bill. There's just and then
the work requirements on medicator kind of a joke in
the House bill. They're not the state's already no ways
around those to get exemptions.

Speaker 8 (01:59:10):
Yea.

Speaker 7 (01:59:11):
So they could strengthen that in the Senate they could
find another three trillion dollars of cuts and send it
back to the House, and I could. I would scarce
also take out this crazy AI provision that I believe
unconstitutional that would let AI companies. It's a nod to
AI companies that they should be able to get expedited zoning,

(01:59:35):
in other words, override state and local laws so that
they can put their their data centers wherever they want
and states wouldn't be able to regulate.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
They need to take that out. If they did those things.

Speaker 7 (01:59:47):
Skinny this thing down, send it back to the House.
I could probably vote for that. If Mike Lee and
those guys can prevail.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
On this fair enough, I'll bring it back. I get
you a quick common or two about the riot situation
in Los Angeles and elsewhere it's growing. We'll continue with
Congress from masse It's eight nineteen to fifty five Kercity
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Speaker 17 (02:00:06):
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Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
Hey twenty one fifty about KRSD talk station Brian Thomas,
the Congress from Thomas Massey all right broke down the
big BBB and what the changes might be in the
Senate that would Garner Thomas Massey's vote. I love your
suggestions and I hope they embrace them real quick. Here,
if you had a t leaf read in terms of
what you want from the Senate in terms of changes,
do you think you're going to deliver on that?

Speaker 7 (02:01:33):
I don't know. I think we can have a good chance.
The negotiation start when you say no, right, yeah, And
so you've got Ron Johnson and Ram Paul are no,
Mike Lee and Rich Scott leaned no. And if they
just tell the senators no and the President no. Look,
the President is not wedded to this blue state bailout. No,

(02:01:55):
I understand fault pets. He in our conference, he told
him to drop it. And it's costing too it's politically
it's costing too much, he said.

Speaker 3 (02:02:06):
He told the New York guys, just give it up.

Speaker 7 (02:02:08):
I was gonna let it pass, but now it's made
such a big stink, and you weren't happy with the
small increase, so just give it up. So these aren't
things the President is against. Also on the Green New Deal,
like going cold Turkey and cutting that off quicker instead
of letting it keep going for a while. The President's with.

Speaker 5 (02:02:28):
Us on that.

Speaker 7 (02:02:29):
You just waiting to see what they'll do in the Senate.

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
All right, we'll keep my fingers crossed and maybe even
say a prayer that that it gets accomplished. Now your
reaction way.

Speaker 7 (02:02:37):
I've learned. I learned one thing from your radio show
during the break. I'm I'm not going to get to
cut my hay this weekend.

Speaker 1 (02:02:44):
Whether reports to be wet, and the No King's rally
will probably less well attended, which allows us a nice
pivot over the Los Angeles situation. You know, ICE is
doing its job. It's allowed to go in even though
law enforcement doesn't want to help them. The politicians don't
want to help ICE. They don't like the idea of
deporting these hardened, terrible criminals or anybody else for that matter.

(02:03:06):
But ICE can still come to the neighborhoods and do
it and they get attacked. Newsom doesn't do anything, Bass
doesn't do anything. Law enforcement there says they're overwhelmed. Enter
the National Guard. Donald Trump's trying to help the citizens
of Los Angeles area from the violence they're facing, and
of course that's met with objections. What's your take on
all this Congress from Assey?

Speaker 7 (02:03:25):
Well, you know, the police say they can't help. The
reason it can't help is the locals have passed laws
that made it a sanctuary city, and so you have
to send in federal agents to do this. And then
you've got the protesters are destroying the federal property, federal assets,
and endangering federal officers, so you've got to send in

(02:03:48):
the guard. So and I think this is a tipping point,
I think Democrats. So the policy is right. Trump's got
the policy right. You can't reward people for coming here illegally.
You can't reward the sanctuary cities for harboring these people.

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
And you've got to deport them.

Speaker 7 (02:04:07):
But the policy is right, but also.

Speaker 3 (02:04:10):
The politics are right.

Speaker 7 (02:04:11):
I mean, the the governor and Karen Bath who actually
used to be in the House Representatives I served with there,
they they're losing this argument in the court of public
opinion with the modern you know, with let's say independence,
and so it's you know, this is this is an

(02:04:33):
issue where I think Trump's right to double down, and
he just got a big win from the court. The
Gavin Newsom asked the courts to intervene until Trump he
couldn't send in the guard And it's actually I think
of a judge appointed by Bill Clinton, said no, we're
not going to give you this injunction. And so you know,
Trump got to win there and he just needs to

(02:04:56):
keep going.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
Yeah, the court has set a hearing for believe tomorrow.
He denied they denied the temporary restraining order and said, no,
we're going to get the federal government uh and the
state additional time to file briefs and then they're going
to have actual hearing on it. So uh, no temporary
restraining order issued. So it's it's it actually deny the
governor's request completely outright. There's going to be a further

(02:05:19):
hearing on the propriety of it. So it ain't over.
The fat Lady has not yet sang on that one.

Speaker 7 (02:05:24):
But so far a win and in this and it'll
and it'll set up an interesting situation if the judge does,
you know, ultimately give some kind of injunction. I mean,
it's its fish or cut bait for our country.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
Well true, but see, I suppose you know the National
Guard Trump, you know, commandeering the California wing of the
National Guard. The Governor Newsom could send the National Guard
in if this is taken away, because if it's taken
away and there's no more National guardsmen on the streets,
Chaos will ensue and he's gonna have to do something

(02:05:59):
about it. So he can just basically do exactly what
Trump did, but just from his own governor's desk.

Speaker 7 (02:06:05):
We could also Karen Bassis put in a curfew. Yeah,
at least there's acknowledgement that something's not right here. But
then you've also you've got Governor knew Some inciting these folks.
Though at the same.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Time, indeed, because it's Trump, it's Trump doing it. Trump's
effort to enforce the law and protect the federal property,
and the National Guard is causing people to break into
sushi stores, gas stations, burn waymo vehicles, and throw chunks
of concrete at vehicles.

Speaker 7 (02:06:38):
And you know what, this would be a great moment
for Trump to come out and say we're not giving
you state and local tax deductions to sanctuary cities and
sanctuary states, like saying, you know, it wasn't the House,
big beautiful bill. We're taking it out and it's been it.
And because we're not going to give you these handouts

(02:06:59):
for you to go to basically perpetuate bad policy.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
Yeah, you know, behind the scenes, I hope Trump is
having a conversation with some of those senators telling them
to do exactly that.

Speaker 7 (02:07:10):
Yeah, I mean behind the scenes, he had that conversation
with us. I was in the room, by the way.
He asked if I was in the room, and I
raised my hand and he said, there's Tom Messi. He's
basically you know, he and ran Paul very similar. They

(02:07:31):
got the same hair. They are from Kentucky, and you
can't get him to vote for anything. And then he said,
but I like Massy's hair better.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Hey, Congress of Messy, take what you can get. Judge
Neapoulatan is listening. He's waiting in the wings. He's a
huge fan of yours, and I know you're a huge
fan of his. He's waving at you through our zoom
conference and he's going to be joining the program next
to talk about the constantue titutional reality of what's going
on in la Congressman Thomas Massey, God bless you will

(02:08:04):
keep our fingers crossed that the changes you're looking for
from the Senate actually occur so you can vote yes
on the big beautiful bill. God bless you, sir, and
thanks for the time you swie my listeners and me.
Give my love to the judge.

Speaker 5 (02:08:17):
You just did. He heard you.

Speaker 1 (02:08:19):
We'll talk soon. Take care of my friend. Eight twenty eight,
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Shucks, but I'm bumped. Should have a rim shot in there,
Judge ended Apolitana, Welcome back to the be About Therese
Morning Show. My friend at pleasure.

Speaker 20 (02:09:50):
You know, I used to grow corn on my farm,
but there's so many of my neighbors do it that
there's really no market for it. I mean I have
a neighbor who grow one hundred acres of corn. That
is a lot of when he sells at all.

Speaker 5 (02:10:05):
Wow.

Speaker 20 (02:10:06):
So if you grow corn, it's really for your own
consumption because the bigger guys have pushed the smaller ones out.

Speaker 1 (02:10:13):
I never heard of corn on the cob day, No
neither Di I. But Ingram's on top of these matters
trivial obviously. My daughter has a small I call it
a farm at five and a half acres. They just
got bees, two bee hives, and that now qualifies them
as agriculture, so I think it makes them eligible for
some tax credits and things like that. So they've done

(02:10:37):
her her fiance, I've just done wonders on their little
farm at but the bee hives. So fresh honey from
the farm.

Speaker 20 (02:10:43):
We sell broccolini, shallots, and garlic. I have about six
hundred pounds of garlic that'll be ready for harvesting in July.

Speaker 14 (02:10:54):
I have just two customers, you know.

Speaker 20 (02:10:55):
One is a hotel with a restaurant and the other
is a free standing restaurant, and they I all this
from me, six hundred pounds of colic.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
That's a lot of garlic. Lord almighty, I'd love to
see your farm someday.

Speaker 14 (02:11:07):
Well, someday, I hope you will all organic.

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
That's wonderful. That is wonderful.

Speaker 5 (02:11:12):
Well, if you spray, I know you.

Speaker 20 (02:11:13):
Want to talk about more substantive things. If you spray
to get rid of the bugs. The spray consists of
my grandmother would love this water and olive oil. Really yes,
and that stops the bugs.

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
Helpful hints from Judge entered Apolitano. Farmer boy, that's amazing.
Good for you, fun facts, all right, pivoting over slouching
toward authoritarianism. I warned you ahead of time that you
know you're you're analysis of what's going on in Los
Angeles and Donald trump'son deploying the National Guard and the Marines,
which I understand legally are two completely different things. My

(02:11:53):
understanding is that they went. They were there because the
Los Angeles Police Department's overwhelmed. They're under directive not to
assist ICE or anything like that. And I get that
there's a sanctuary city whatever, but that does not mean
ICE can't go in. ICE goes in to do its job.
It's authorized by the federal law to go in and
arrest illegal immigrants. Like it or not, that's what they're

(02:12:13):
allowed to do. But then they were attacked by rioters. Now,
I know most of the people there were just protesting
their activities, and they're allowed to protest. But when you
start throwing concrete at ICE vehicles and attacking them and
burning federal buildings or spring your feeda and those are
criminal acts and they weren't able to get It's a.

Speaker 20 (02:12:32):
Terrible state of affairs when free expression of thousands of
people morphs into violence of a handful. It is the
duty of the government to protect the right of free
expression to those who are not violent. It is not
the duty of the government to clamp down everything. So

(02:12:54):
one of my complaints is the shutting down of all
free ex expression in order to stop that which is
fomented by the violence. The violent people couldn't care less
about free speech. They either hate the government or somehow
think they can materially interfere with or start some movement

(02:13:17):
against ICE.

Speaker 14 (02:13:18):
Listen, I don't like these ice rays either.

Speaker 20 (02:13:20):
I question the constitutionality of an arrest warrant that doesn't
name the person and that is not based on probable cause.
They walk in and say who speaks Spanish, and that
half a dozen people hide or say something in English
that obviously isn't pronounced correctly, and they get arrested. I
have a serious problem with that. But that doesn't justify violence,

(02:13:41):
and the violence, in my view, does not justify the military.
Because we have a limited federal government, this is a
state issue that should be resolved by state authorities.

Speaker 5 (02:13:51):
If the state authorities.

Speaker 14 (02:13:52):
Want la to burn, there's not much the federal government
can do about it.

Speaker 5 (02:13:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
Nancy Pelosi refer to anarchists. They say these gatherings of
large people will provide an opportunity for anarchists, and I
think that's a fairly accurate assessment. You know, there are
people that do want to bring down the system, you know,
hardcore Marxists for example. But fundamentally, I mean, doesn't the
president have an obligation to protect the American citizen And

(02:14:20):
if the local law enforcement, local government refuses to protect
the American citizens from violence, doesn't the Trump have some
obligation or at least some arguable authority to do that
by virtue of the National Guard?

Speaker 5 (02:14:32):
One word answer, no, fair enough.

Speaker 20 (02:14:34):
The matter of public safety is not a federal issue,
not even arguably under the Constitution. Now, as Trump sees it,
he's sort of the avuncular figure in Washington, d C.
Protecting people where local liberal Democrats want. I get his argument.

(02:14:54):
He's obviously milking it for all it's worth. He would
love just as Gavin Newsom would love to be a Yeah,
I know what, the two of them love the confrontation
with each other. But under the Constitution, health, safety, welfare,
and morality is just a state matter. Now, you could argue,
all right, the riots in La affect interstate commerce. Interstate

(02:15:16):
commerce is regulated by the Congress. Therefore the president can
go into well, it's the riots so that interstate commerce continues.

Speaker 14 (02:15:24):
I get that argument.

Speaker 20 (02:15:25):
That's a big government argument which I continue to rejects.
President in violation of federal law can send troops in
because he doesn't like the way local government is operating
the government.

Speaker 14 (02:15:41):
What's to stop him from sending the troops.

Speaker 20 (02:15:43):
In for any other thing locally that he doesn't like
if it's not delegated to the federal government under the constitution.

Speaker 5 (02:15:52):
Washington hands off.

Speaker 1 (02:15:53):
Understood and agree with completely. What of the argument though,
that attacking federal employployees, ice agents, and federal property that
that needs to be protected, And wouldn't that give the
National Guard of the federal government authority when local law
enforcement is not doing anything to arrest or otherwise detain
violent people who are acting.

Speaker 20 (02:16:14):
Against the stand that argument. So the use of the
National Guard is tricky. If Gavin Newsom is commanding the
National Guard, they can engage an ordinary law enforcement right.
They can arrest people, they can testify as witnesses or prosecution.
They can interrogate them, they can push them out of
certain areas, just like the police can do. But when

(02:16:35):
Donald Trump is commanding the National Guard, they are prohibited
from engaging in law enforcement. So he actually has diminished
the role of law enforcement by sending them there. Had
he just sent the Marines to protect the property and
left the National Guard into Gavin Newsom's hands, he'd have

(02:16:57):
a much larger and more effective of law enforcement presence
on the ground.

Speaker 14 (02:17:03):
But he's interested, as Congressman Massey has said, he's interested
more in optics than he is in constitutional fidelity.

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
Fair Enough, the polls indicating, at least in large party
with the Republicans vast majority of the ninety percent and
fifty high fifty percent of the Independence favor what he's doing.
But then again we have to, I guess, point out
what you're pointing out. Not everybody is in tune with
the limits on the federal government as the Constitution places them.

Speaker 5 (02:17:35):
Very very few people are.

Speaker 20 (02:17:40):
Who was the last president to veto something because it
was unconstitutional?

Speaker 14 (02:17:45):
The only other president has served two separate terms, Grover Cleveland.
That was a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Ago, Brian, Yes, it was. Judjeneta Polatano. Always appreciate your
legal analysis and breakdown and your your commitment to the
Constitution of the United States, the supreme law of the land.
It's a pleasure having you on the program every week, sir.
I'll look forward to another one next Wednesday.

Speaker 20 (02:18:08):
Likewise, whether we agree or disagree, it continues to enhance
our friendship.

Speaker 1 (02:18:12):
Absolutely. Oh, real quick Judging Freedom. Who's on, Oh, Colonel.

Speaker 20 (02:18:17):
McGregor at eleven this morning? Not on Los Angeles, but
on just how close are we to war where they're run?

Speaker 14 (02:18:25):
Short answer, very close.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
I saw that the Supreme Leader just issued a death
threat or an order to kill the President, vice President,
the cabinet members and everybody else. Crazy stuff going on
into the world judging of Paul Tunn. Will be tuning
in for Judging Freedom, look forward to next Wednesday. God
bless you man.

Speaker 14 (02:18:41):
You got it right back at you, Brian, all the best.

Speaker 1 (02:18:43):
Thank you. Eight forty one fifty five car see the
talk station. Tyler Gray the book Forged in Chaos, a
warrior's origin story.

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Speaker 1 (02:18:54):
Hey fifty five R see the talk station. Happy Wednesday
to you. I was hoping Tyler Gray was going to
be able to join us, but apparently Joe's not able
to reach him. Forging Chaos, the name of the book.
He was apparently just an Delta Force operator. He did
all kinds of counter terrorism work, hunted down bad guys

(02:19:16):
and high value targets, bomb makers and warlords, and he
was just in this high tension, constantly adrenaline filled the
service to his country and was severely injured during a
raid in Solder City, Iraq, which led to him having
to end his military career, which was life changing. Oh

(02:19:39):
he's he's there. Wonderful, wonderful, Tyler Gray. Are you there, Yes,
I'm here. I was just describing your background. I was
I was thinking we weren't going to be able to
get in touch with you, because I think you're The
point of your book is so very important. I'm a
huge supporter of the American military veterans. I've talked to
so many over the years. I didn't serve myself, which
is why I utilize a lot of the time in

(02:19:59):
the morning show to help veterans. I promote the local
Veterans Service commissions and veterans issues and causes, and so
your story, I think is an extremely important one. You're
a Delta Force operator. You saw some serious, serious combat
and mission and then tragedy hit you in is it
Solder City?

Speaker 3 (02:20:20):
Yes, yes, that's right.

Speaker 5 (02:20:21):
Help you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
Yeah, so you're adrenaline's run in twenty four to seven
in your service to our country, I presume.

Speaker 3 (02:20:30):
Yes, that's a good way to put it. Nature of
the job, and.

Speaker 1 (02:20:36):
I think part of my understanding of what veterans go
through when they're out of the service, they're out of
the whole idea of the camaraderie. They've been kicking doors
in and facing danger at all times of the day.
And when you're out here, your trade, Sir Tyler Gray,
isn't really a value outside of the military, and so

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something has been taken away from you. But you, I
guess your brain has continued to be wired in that
high tension environment. The name of the book we're talking
about here is Forged in Chaos, a Warrior's origin story.
So explain, explain the situation. Why you're so involved in
advocating for veterans' mental health and PTSD.

Speaker 21 (02:21:17):
It's a really important I think at this point there's
been so much awareness of the problem, and we've had
a lot of awareness, but at this point.

Speaker 3 (02:21:29):
It really takes it really takes somebody.

Speaker 21 (02:21:35):
Laying out what their experience has been and shining the
light on their experience to help lead others.

Speaker 3 (02:21:41):
Down that same path.

Speaker 21 (02:21:42):
So the book is about my experience and hopefully by
showing my experience that allows others to help them go
through the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:21:51):
Well, I get the impression when you got back after
the military service because of your injury, your your life
kind of unraveled.

Speaker 3 (02:21:58):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:21:59):
Yeah, in what way were you impacted and how did
this change of circumstances environment as being out of military service,
how did it impact you for in the downside your
experience with this PTSD concept.

Speaker 3 (02:22:16):
Yeah, I think, as you said, it's for me. The
way it affected me is that.

Speaker 21 (02:22:24):
A loss of identity, a loss of purpose, And as
you said earlier, when you are, you know, wired for chaos,
when that's been your job for so long, it's very
difficult for you to suddenly be comfortable when everything is calm.

Speaker 5 (02:22:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
I think a lot of people get the perception that
you know, once you're out of that you're no longer
your life is no longer constantly in jeopardy, that you
might embrace laying down in bed and being able to
go to sleep at night knowing that you don't have
to get called out in the middle of the night
with a bomb blowing off in the neighborhood, an ied
blowing up, or that you got to get up in
two hours to start kicking more doors in Fallujah or whatever.

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But that's not the case, is it.

Speaker 7 (02:23:07):
No.

Speaker 21 (02:23:07):
The best way I can say is, once you're a
person that can operate in a chaotic environment, that becomes
your homeostasis, and it becomes very difficult for you, once
you're comfortable in chaos, to suddenly be comfortable when everything
is calm.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
Well, I understand you develop what you call the LTSD theory.
Can you explain to my listeners, and there are a
lot of veterans in the listening audience right now what
that is and what it means.

Speaker 21 (02:23:35):
Going back to what I just said, it's LTSD. You know,
PTSD is post traumatic stress disorder. Obviously, LTSD concept stands
for lack of traumatic stress disorder. And I came up
with that because I realized that for myself, I was
more comfortable when everything was chaotic, with the environment was chaos,

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I was calm, and when the environment was calm, my
brain was chaotic, and so I created chaos in the
environment in order to calm my mind because that was
what I.

Speaker 1 (02:24:11):
Was used to, and a lot oftentimes this leads to
self medication and substance abuse. Did you struggle with that
as well?

Speaker 21 (02:24:19):
Absolutely for years, And it was a struggle that I
didn't know what I was fighting, and it took me
years to realize all all.

Speaker 3 (02:24:30):
The different components of addiction.

Speaker 21 (02:24:33):
And as you said, it's really the way I explained
addiction now is it is an external way to cope
with an internal emotional issue that you're not used to
being able. You need something external because you don't have
the internal tools to deal with those emotions.

Speaker 10 (02:24:52):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:24:52):
In your book, Forged in Chaos again, I guess Tyler
Gray probably served his country until he was wounded in combat.
Do you explain how you you can't. I presume that
you came out the other side, that you found a
coping mechanism. Was it therapy, was it working with other
veteran services, working at the VA, getting counseling, or a
combination of all those. How did you come out the

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better side and you were able to write about it
in your book?

Speaker 21 (02:25:18):
For me, actually it was it was a little bit different,
and it was about looking in a different way that
I hadn't looked before.

Speaker 3 (02:25:27):
The simple way to put it is that it is
a combination.

Speaker 5 (02:25:31):
You need.

Speaker 3 (02:25:31):
You've got ten problems all.

Speaker 21 (02:25:33):
Happening at the same time, and you have to treat
everything relatively at one time rather than just keeping them isolated.
And you know, the awareness and the treatments are at
an all time high, and yet the problem is getting worse.

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
So for me, it was a different paradigm and.

Speaker 21 (02:25:55):
Really understanding that I had a mental and physical issue
at the same time, not just a mental one.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
It requires a lot of introspection, one.

Speaker 21 (02:26:05):
Hundred percent absolutely, And again to your point, that introspection.

Speaker 3 (02:26:10):
The work that I did, that's that's what I put
into the book, was the.

Speaker 21 (02:26:14):
Search I did for my own answers hopefully will allow
me to provide answers for others.

Speaker 1 (02:26:19):
Well, I'm glad you did it.

Speaker 5 (02:26:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:26:21):
Was there a point in this this difficult post uh uh,
I'll say combat or post military experience where you're going
through all these these challenges. Was there like a moment
in time, a moment of clarity where you you sort
of the light went on and you realize that this
you were struggling with, this, this post chaos syndrome.

Speaker 5 (02:26:41):
There.

Speaker 17 (02:26:42):
There there were multiple different you know, awarenesses, but there
was one fundamental moment that I detail in the book
where I came up I did something that's not normal,
and that was kind of when me trying to figure
out why I did.

Speaker 3 (02:26:58):
What I did, is where I came up with the
LTSD concept.

Speaker 5 (02:27:02):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:27:03):
Well, I certainly I'm strongly encouraged my listening audience and
who have veterans in their lives that may they may
know are struggling to get a copy of the book,
because clearly this is going to help them maybe come
up with their own moment of clarity and help them
with their own introspection to get over their problems. You're right,
there's so many out there, and I'm actually glad that

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at least we're having conversations these days about this as
opposed to just suck it up and get over it,
which used to be the old way and the old
attitude getting treatment, talking to people and the veteran of
the VA I know has has some help and services
available for folks struggling with these challenges, but at least
it's accepted now that veterans go through this and it's

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not looked down upon, and you're only helping us move
forward and find answers and solutions. Tyler Gray, it's been
a real pleasure having you on. I want to thank
you from the bottom of my heart on behalf of
all my listening audience for your service to our country.
Although it did lead to some problems and challenges, forged
in chaos, a warrior's origin story may very well help
others since you went through some terrible times and are

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sharing your experience with everybody else.