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Speaker 1 (00:15):
If you do have KCB talk station. Happy Tuesday to
you return of Steve Gooden at bottom of the enread
to give us some breakdown on the Supreme Court decision
about the Venezuelan prisoners. But in the meantime, welcome back
from the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, Dave Williams. Always good to
have you on the phone, Dave, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning, Brian, a belated happy Easter and hope you
had a really nice, quiet Easter.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I did, and at the end of my I had
a week off last week, which mental health week off
is kind of what I was calling it, because every
once in a while you got to take some time
to exhale, and so I was able to do that
and really was enjoyable. Getting back into the gear of
things has been a little challenging for me, though, Dave.
It's like you need a vacation, a week of vacation
to come off your week of vacation.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
So wait, did you go to Al Savador last week? No?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I did, Yeah, trying to bring some gang members in
El Salvador. Yeah, Sea Coat Prison. Anyhow, Now I stayed
at home and slept and stared at the back of
my eyelids, for the Lextra, like the time Dave I
got the biggest kick because Joe Strecker does what we
call the rundown and it shows me who's going to
be on the program and also the topics that we
will be discussing. Dave Williams at seven oh five, Congress

(01:29):
utter disregard for fiscal responsibility. That's making making me laugh
all morning, because you know, as long as I've been
alive and I'll be sixty in September, Man, it's just
been the order of business. They always disregard fiscal responsibility.
But this is you're gonna have to break this down
for my listeners and me because they're in the process
of doing this reconciliation thing. So the Senate's got a version,

(01:52):
their houses got a version. The Senate only is requiring
four billion dollars in spending cuts. Is that four billions
is the Congressional Budget Office does its budget and that's
four billion over ten years.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's four billion over ten years. And that's not a cut, No,
it's not. It's it's a flesh wound as money. Python
would say. You know, this is something that is very
problematic because reconciliation is key to getting back to tax
cuts and extending the tax cuts. So they have to
do this, They have to come up with some sort

(02:29):
of agreement. And you're right, the Senate is talking about
four billion dollars over ten years now. Listen, I was
offended when I saw the House was only cutting one
hundred and fifty billion a year. Wow, I mean compared
to the Senate, this is this is incredible. But again,
you know, so much more has to be done here.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay, So as you right in in it's protecting taxpayers
Dot Org folks, bookmarkt and pay attention with Dave and
the team are doing over the taxpayer protection lines. But
as you point out, it only requires four billion of
minimum spending on the Senate side, in stark contrast to
the House's one point five trillion requirement, which you know,
if you just compare the two numbers, this is a

(03:10):
substantial difference. But we e blow through about two trillion
dollars more annually than they take in, am I right
about that?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
There in lies the problem is that they're not even
making a dent in the deficit. And let's not even
talk about the debt, because the debt is going to
continually increase over the next five, ten, fifteen, I mean
until you know, as far down the road as we
can see.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
And this is the time to do it, Brian.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
We have a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and obviously
a Republican in the White House. This is the time
to cut spending because we have no idea what twenty
twenty six is going to look like for the House
or the Senate. We may never see these conditions again.
And you know, listen, I like Speaker Johnson. I think
he's a decent guy. He's just not bold enough. Remember

(04:01):
back to the days of nuke Gingrich and you know,
we had such stronger Speakers of the House and I
just don't see that with Mike Johnson. And again, he's
a nice guy, and I think he's trying to do
the right thing. But we need, you know, more leadership
and then stronger leadership in the House and the Senate.
Four billion dollars over ten years. That's embarrassing, that's absolutely embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
It is embarrassing. So you know, what I really am
always looking for is what is the explanation. I mean,
the Republican Party always pays lip service to being the
party of fiscal responsibility. It's in their platform. They talk
about it. They complain about deficits, if they complain about
outrageous spending, of course, thank god for doge. At least
we're getting an eye full of all the crazy crap

(04:41):
that we labor for every day and have that money
removed from our paychecks and go off to like I
don't know, Sesame Street programs in Iraq or whatever. But
that's just tiny little bits and pieces. I know, mind
the pennies and the dollars will mind themselves. But I mean,
we've got trillions of additional dollars that are spent. And
with all that and all that being said, what's the

(05:03):
explanation from at least the Republican side of the Ledger
in the Senate for why they were only willing to
consider cutting four billion over ten years.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
So John fun who's the leader of the Senate right now, said,
this is the best deal that they can get that
they can that can pass the Senate.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
I mean, this is what the Republicans.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Because the Republicans don't have the I can't say it
on the air, but they don't have the intestinal fortitudevos
exactly exactly, Well.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Why not that.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
There's so many moderate Republicans that are afraid to cut
spending because they think that it's going to hurt them
in the polls. Now, this is the crazy part, Brian.
I think that if they were bold, people would appreciate that.
Look at the you mentioned DOGE. Look at the support
that DOGE is getting. Look at what it's doing going
through every milk and cranny of the budget and of
these agencies and finding just disgusting examples of waste, fraud

(06:01):
and abuse. And listen, this is something that Rand Paul
has been doing for years. Yeah, now we actually hear
about it on a daily basis, and now is the
time to do this. And you know, we're potentially talking
about trillions of dollars that could be cut from the
federal government and.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Nobody would notice.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Like you said, you know, Sesame Street in Iraq, all
these crazy research programs, No one will notice if these
programs go bye bye.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I'm just I mean, i feel like I'm getting rid
of boil over with anger because when you see this
on paper, as you have it on your Taxpayer Protection
Lines web page. Yeah, I just want to start, you know,
slapping these people across the face metaphorically speaking. You know,
I'm not a man of violence, but you know, it's like,
what in God's name are you thinking? Just as you

(06:50):
point out, this is like the only opportunity you may
ever have to stop us and save us from ourselves,
and you are the ones that are supposed to be
saving us from ourselves, and in fact you're the one
that can't save You can't save yourself. You're addicted to
the spending is it pet projects in Republican states that
they're worried about losing? I mean what, I just don't
get any There's no rationale behind letting this opportunity pass

(07:13):
up that I can figure out.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
No, and the American public is ready for this.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean, you looked at the election last year, you
look at what's happening with doose is.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
That people are ready for this. They're ready for spending cuts.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
And you know, the last time we had this, it
was called the Tea Party, right, and I think we
have a bit of a resurgence of it. We're not
calling it the tea Party anymore. But I think people
are fed up with Washington.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
You have a lot of these agencies that are letting
people go and the only people that are complaining about
this are the people in the agencies. Yeah, and inside
the Beltway. Everyone else is like so what so what
if these people, you know, they have been doing nothing
for years? You know a lot of these bureaucrafts. Now
it has to be done in a way where you know,

(07:59):
you don't fire everyone an agency.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, I don't know. That's a little tempting it is.
Let me get back to you on that.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
But depends on.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Massive savings because if if you get rid of someone
who's making one hundred thousand dollars a year, that actually
multiplies over years because of their benefits and uh and
down the road. So I think again, they're missing this opportunity.
And I'm just I'm as frustrated as you are, because
now it's the time to do it.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Well, does the Taxpayer Protection Lines reach out to individual
senators and and and give them a tongue lashing or
try to encourage them.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
On hundred percent, we are calling out the Republicans and
we're saying, listen, this is the time to do it.
And we you know, we are writing letters, we are
going up and visiting with these offices, and we're getting
a lot of pressure.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
And you know, people may not know this, but so
we get a.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Lot of pressure from Republicans to support the budget, to
support these bills, and we refuse to. You look at
the statement we made. It was a scathing statement, you know,
against the Senate and now you know, looking at the House,
what they're going to do. So you know, we're taking
no prisoners here and listen, we want to support the
Republicans because they say the right.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Thing, but they don't do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's it, right.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, So no, we've been very.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Active and very vocal on Capitol Hill trying to uh
figure out what to do to have more spending cuts
and really some more fiscal responsibility.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's frustrated, well, is this a call to action for
my listeners? Disagreement their senators and we haven't even pivoted
over to the Republican side, where it's only one point
four trillion over ten years, that's not going to put
really much of a dent in the in the in
the fiscal reality of what's going on in the spending
and the spending levels of Washington. I mean, both sides
need to be get a tounne lashing.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
People should be calling their member of Congress, whether it's
they're member of the House and a member of the Senate,
they need to be calling because that's the only way
this is going to change. And this is something now
we've been talking for a number of years and I
always say, see something, say something.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
You have to all your member of Congress.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well, let's get on that, folks. It's easy to do.
Just get in touch with your elected officials Senate and Republicans.
And I wouldn't mince my words, be quite candid with you.
This is the only, maybe the only opportunity in our
lifetime where we can actually bring some fiscal responsibility and
stop well, well, it's like a death by a thousand cuts.

(10:22):
Eventually we're not going to be able to afford what
we've what what our credit card tab and we're already
a trillion dollars annually in interest Dave.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well and Brian think about this is if we, you know,
have this problem with China so much, well, this is
even more of a reason to cut spending and not
be beholden to China to prop up our deficites.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Prop it up. Yeah, and that's the other compounding worry,
because what if they quit buying our bonds.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
That's a whole other conversation that's not going to be
pretty at all that Congress and the President will have
to have. And that's why all these things are interconnected
and it has to start.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
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Speaker 1 (13:33):
Care see the talk station seven twenty fifty have KRCIT
talk station find them online. Protecting Taxpayers dot org. It
is Day Williams from the taxpayer Protection lines all right,
pivoting over from the spineless Republicans in the House and
Senate who refused to cut spending adequately enough to save
us in the future of our country. Pivoting over to

(13:55):
taxpayers and the taxes we pay. The Donald Trump tax
cuts in Job Act of twenty seventeen's getting set to
expire because the spineless idiots refused to ever enact something permanent.
It's an opportunity to make these cuts permanent and everyone
will benefit from this. Am I wrong, Dave Williams?

Speaker 2 (14:15):
So have you noticed, Brian, that whenever there's an increase
in spending, that's permanent, right, that never expires. Whenever we
cut taxes, there's always an expiration day. Tisnt I mean
it should be the exact opposite. And listen, what happened
in twenty seventeen was amazing because we saw the economy

(14:35):
take off. We saw thousand dollars bonuses going out to
people from corporations. And remember Nancy Pelissi mocked this thousand
dollars bonuses and said, what's a thousand dollars for somebody?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, I mean talk about out of touch?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, said the woman with a twenty five thousand dollars
refrigerator freezer during COVID eating twelve fourteen dollars a pint
ice cream. That woman is so out of touch anyhow, whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, And so that's why we need to make these
things permanent. These tax cuts permanent for individuals and businesses.
Right now, if you're an individual in twenty seventeen, you
got a tax cut. It made taxes a little bit simple. Listen,
I'm not gonna lie to you and say taxes are simple.
But it increased the standard deduction, so a lot of

(15:21):
people didn't have to put all the itemized deductions in
to get you know, the bigger tax cut for businesses,
Oh my gosh. We went from a forty percent corporate
tax rate to a twenty one percent corporate tax rate,
and you had companies flooding back into the country. Remember
oh nineties and two thousands, the inversions where companies would
leave this country basically on paper, right is that Tim

(15:43):
Horton's bought Burger King. There's a lot of different inversions
that happened. Corporations left this country. They came back in
twenty eighteen because of the tax code, and we saw
unemployment go down. It really was I mean twenty eighteen
and twenty nineteen to great years. Obviously twenty twenty was COVID,
but it's the tax cuts have to be permanent for

(16:05):
this economy to get going.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, I couldn't agree with you more. And and if
the tax if these tax cuts go away, I mean,
everybody's going to get hit. I mean you keep hearing
the Democrats scream about, you know, billionaire tax coaches, taxcoachs
for millionaires, and then it's not I mean, everyone gets
the benefit from this, including regular working stiffs that are
out there on the lower end of the pay scale.
They've benefit from this. But what about the the salt deduction?

(16:33):
My understanding is because I saw the article written by
Faith Gibluco over a Taxpayer Protection Alliance about the corporate salt,
which she points out would be welcome. Is there a
standard deduction that they did enjoy or should rather be
subjected to that might benefit us or.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, so I think there's you know, we are not
being hypocrites here because do you have salt, which is
a state and local tax taxes, you get to deduct
a certain amount that was capped at ten thousand dollars
right twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Because all we were doing was subsidizing high rent or
high taxation states like California, New York, and New Jersey exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
So what they're trying to do for the personal salt
is to raise it to one hundred thousand dollars, which
is insane.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Absolutely insane, would would bust the budget. Now.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Corporations are looking for what they call sea salt, the
corporate state and local tax deduction. And no, if you're
not going to give it to individuals, you can't give
it to business. It has the same effect. And listen,
we want businesses to grow. We want to give them
an opportunity to grow in this country. But this is

(17:46):
not the right way to do it. And there are
so many things in the tax code right now that
are disincentivizing business, and we need for business to stay here.
And listen, businesses employee people. I remember I remember Mitt
Romney saying corporations are people, right, I mean, and he
wasn't wrong though, I mean they employ you know, you
look at these big tech companies that everyone hates, Well,

(18:08):
they employ millions of people, They pay property taxes, they
pay you know, I fight, could they pay all of
these taxes that are actually helping the country.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
So we want, but it has to start with individuals.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
It has to start with the individual tax cuts and
making sure that like you said, you know, these middle
income folks that they can still enjoy these tax cuts.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, cost of everything's going up, and of course every
little bit counts, and I like to keep more money
in my pocket, particularly right and.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Brian, and Brian remember the IRS they want to prepare your.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Taxes now with direct files.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
They they want to get all of your financial information
and say, you know, don't worry about filling this out.
We'll fill it out for you. We'll tell you how
much you owe or how much of a refund. So
this is what the IRS is. What they want to
do is prepare your taxes, which you know, I'd rather
have the guy down the street that knows nothing about
taxes prepare my taxes in the irons. I would trust

(19:03):
him a lot more than bureau right in DC.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Amen to that, brother, Amen. They can't even keep their
own house in order. How many SOUS security numbers are
still active for dead people, just among all the other
things that Doges figured out. Anyhow, Dave Oyams, appreciate what
you do each and every day. I'll encourage my listeners
again to book mark your site Protecting Taxpayers dot org
and again call to arms, call your senator and your

(19:28):
representative and scream at them and tell them to quit
or cut back on spending. You can get our house
in order or we're all going to collapse under the
weight of our debt. Dave, keep up the great work.
We'll talk again soon, I hope. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Brian, have a great day you.

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