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Wolf to the fifty five Kosse Morning Show. She is
one of the people behind the signature campaign here in
Hamilton County to end the property tax is the ballot
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initiue of going around to put on the Ohio Constitution,
uh well, an end of the property tax. Welcome to
the program, Sarah. Good to have you on today.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Good morning, All right, now, getting ready?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I know, you know the thing. I love the idea,
you know, when you say, I'm not gonna have to
pay that outrageous tax bill that I face every year
my wife and I got to give her credit to
because she's certainly a breadwinner for the family, even more
so than I am. But it just, I mean, it's
gone up dramatically over the years, and I'm I'm I
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wish I didn't have to pay it. And it sounds
like a fun proposition. I sign up, you know, a
petition and we get to vote to end our property taxes.
I mean, who wouldn't really be behind that? But I
guess I'm just kind of wondering on a more complicated level. Well, then,
what I mean it's a get your popcorn out and
put your feed up moment for our elected officials. How
they're actually going to fund things since everything seems to
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be funded based upon property taxes.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Well, this didn't come out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
As you know, we've been trying to get the state
to reform our property tax system for over a year
now and they've just kicked the can down the road,
and this is what has finally gotten their attention. So
we've got to get it on the ballot just for
that they're finally paying attention. We've got to get rid
of this atrocious assessment system. It's arbitrary, it's capricious, and
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there's no validation of the assessment numbers by the county.
Nobody knows what a house is going to sell for
until it sells. And I always say, well, imagine if
the IRS could tax the way property taxes are. Imagine, Well,
imagine if the IRS could say you're making forty thousand
a year, we think your job is worth one hundred
and fifty thousand a year. You won't make one hundred
and fifty thousand a year. But that's what we're going
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to tax you on. Well, that's what the property tax
system is, and we just cannot be taxed like this anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, that would certainly serve as a foundation for someone
going in asking for a raise. Wait a minute, I'm
being underpaid. But I mean the sad reality of this.
You know, if you're working and you've got income and
your property tax goes up thirty percent, you may get
hit for I don't know, let's randomly pick a figure
and extra thousand dollars. You might be able to swallow that.
But the sad thing, and the sad reality is there
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are many seniors out there who have been in their
homes for decades. They've paid them off, and they don't
have there are any fixed income, some living only on
Social Security, and they can barely afford groceries and the
day to day expenses of just living generally, they can't
afford that kind of property tax increase.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
No, not at all. I've got eighty five year olds
talking about going back to work.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I have a senior who sold her furniture to pay
her tax.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Oh my god, I.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Have seniors calling me all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
It breaks my heart they're worried about how long they're
going to live and can they afford it, And of
course they can't sell because anything that they'd buy would
be more than what they're already paying, so we can't.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
That's no longer taxing.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Okay, that is a mafia shakedown.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
At tax should be a.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Little annoyance, it shouldn't be this life changing punch to
the gut. And that's what's happening, especially to our seniors
and our working class people. Because see, it wasn't just
that property taxes went up the twenty twenty three assessment.
We expected property taxes were going to go up, but
we also expected everybody to get about the same across
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the board, and that is not what happened.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
We've got about a third of homeowners.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
In Hamilton County anyway, that live mostly in the working
class and lower income neighborhoods, who got fifty to four
hundred percent increases, while another two yes, while another well,
now I have to take that back.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I found two people that got five hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
And then we we've got another two thirds that got
little to nothing. And that includes a lot of our
elected officials, and they didn't think we'd look into it.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
But we have. So you've got you've got.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
A third of the homeowners just absolutely in a state
of shock and bewilderment, while the other two thirds are
going they don't know what the big deal is. We
can't be tax like this anymore. And there's like I
said before, there's no validation. Well, and my husband pointed out,
how did what your house is worth ever get correlated
to what the government needs to operate?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Anyway? There's no correlation.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean, once upon a time, if you lived in
a village or something, the townspeople will actually the landowners.
The landowners would get together and decide they needed a
school or a bridge or a sheriff, and they would
come up with how much money they could raise and
what they wanted to give to do that. And if
you didn't want to participate, you didn't have a long arm.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Of the law forcing you to, which is what we
have now. There's no correlation.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now, if we get rid of property tax, you wouldn't
County commissioners then maybe to raise sales tax in order
to provide for let's say, the parks and recreations and
things of that nature. Because I don't see philanthropists stepping
up to the plate to cover the maintenance of a park,
for example.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well, what we really want is a process where everybody's
got skin in the game. So if that means, like say,
I don't know, property taxes was a one time sales tax,
and then you took a little percentage from income tax
and a little percentage from sales tax. That way, everybody's
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got skin in the game. What happens now is the
counties already can raise taxes for levees anyway they can levy.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Or for stadiums or for stadiums, all right, right, but the.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Reason they don't, well this should make every homeowner mad.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The reason that they don't they keep levying property tax
is that there's way more wage earners than there are
property owners. So right, so they are happy to vote for.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
A levee that's not going to come out of their paycheck.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But we just saw last fall they had an affordable
housing and maybe that was the city. They had an
affordable housing levee that was going to come out of
income tax and it failed because you know, we can
you can't take it out of my paycheck. So we
just want a system where everybody's a bigger you know,
a larger pool of tax payers is paying a smaller amount,
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and then everybody's got skin in the game. Property taxes
is just not that and we were out as hell
and we're not taking.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It anymore, right Sarah, hold on, we'll bring you back.
We'll talk about where the where we can sign up
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Speaker 4 (08:58):
Good.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, there're been other balloties very much.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, it's very much a shot across the bow. We've
just got them to act and I you know, they
seem to be a little bit nervous up there because
that nobody wants to preside over this, right what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
But if they came up with a legitimate you know,
palatable legislative solution. I'm just wondering, absolutely, would the signature
drive in. Would you stop collecting signatures and just end
the process, or would this thing just I mean, since
it has legs now and it's very appealing to a
lot of people, and I would think Governor to Wine
coming out against it would probably only help your efforts out.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
It does.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
It does, And I really appreciate you having having me
on because it seems like when we're out there getting signatures,
everybody who's heard of it, they are falling all over
themselves to sign. Yeah, and then you've got people that
haven't and they need to just hear a little bit
about the background. You know that we didn't go right
to this. It's been a long process to get here,
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and then they'll sign. We've got even people that will
sign to get it on the ballot. They're unclear if
they're actually vote for it, but they think, yes, this
is a good shot across the bow, light the fire
under the Columbus's feet.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
This is pretty much God's battle, and I'm just along
for the ride. I get it, Sarah, you know, I
don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I don't either, and to me, that's one of the
most intriguing elements about it. I almost wanted to pass
just to see what they do. I'm just thinking it's
gonna be like chaos and Columbus, you know, Oh my god,
we're all gonna die. So who knows. But then again,
I'm a property owner. So uh, Sarah Wolf, Now, what
do my listeners need to do to sign on board?
(10:35):
If to the extent that they're interested in signing the
petition to get it on the ballot, where do they go?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
What do they do?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Where are you gonna be that kind of thing?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Well, the best thing to do is be a circulator,
so you can email stop Property Taxes at gmail dot
com and get your own, uh, your own petition to circulate.
We've got thousands across the county. Now keep in mind
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we do the best thing to do to find out
where to sign is, at least locally, is to go
to our Facebook proof that's still going it's Hamilton County,
Ohio homeowners. I'm having a little trouble getting people to
post where they're gonna be. But keep in mind, we're volunteers.
We don't have a headquarters. We don't have regular meetings.
We don't have any meetings yet, so just ask around
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because especially on the West Side, there's probably one hundred
and fifty petitions out there. I am going to do
sort of a pickup weekends. I think that's the weekend
of the twenty first and twenty second, where we'll have
some people, you know, anybody who didn't get to sign
and then if we have to go get the signatures
of people that can't get out, you know, our elderly,
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then I'm going to get some people to drive around
and get those signatures as well. You can look up
Reform Property Taxes dot com I'm sorry, Reform property tax
singular dot com or just google citizens for property tax
form in Ohio and you'll find us. And this is
just all, you know, with our mandate to love thy neighbor,
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we don't have Usually you have a million dollars, millions
of dollars behind a push like this to get an amendment,
but always got his God's mandate.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Grassroots, Hey, hey, it can happen.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Look at the petition to UH with regard to Hyde
Park and the Save Hyde Park Square petition that was
a grassroots effort. It cropped up out of nowhere because
our government officials were not listening to the heart and
to the citizens want. And uh, you know this is
ripe for outrage. These property taxes have gone up way
too much. And who knew that we're going to have
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this massive real estate value increase. I mean, COVID nineteen
had a ripple effect that people are going to be
studying for decades and decades. You know, my property went
up in value as well, because demand is still out there.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Well, the first thing we asked them to do is
just boid that assessment counties are already making a bat
out seven percent a year through new construction and new
sales even without an assessment. That year should never have
been used as an assessment year. It was the post
code economy. The Feds were pumping money into the assistance,
so it wasn't even that our houses were worth where
our money was worthless. And then he had all these
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people fleeing the coasts from California and New York. They
come to Ohio, they see a house for two hundred
thousand dollars, Well, that's nothing to them, And suddenly that
house is five hundred thousand dollars and then the grandma
next door with the formica countertops her house is being
compared to that. They could have just just calmed everybody
down if they had had avoided that assessment.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
We begged them to, We.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Begged the governor to do it by executive action, and
nobody would do it, and they would have worked doing well.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I just think they get what they asked for, or
don't ask for. That's this petition.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Helca Miranda reported a twenty million dollars in excess, and
did she return that's the taxpayer notes out a vote.
She gave it to the school She gave it to
schools without a vote.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And that's the kind of adding insult to injury thing
that really gets up people's eyre and gets them to
sign the petition.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So it does, Oh boy does it ever? People are
falling all over themselves. I went to Evanston and just
got mobbed. You know, I go to the West Side,
I get mobbed.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's great, Sarah Wolf, she's behind the signature gathering campaign
and the property tax here in Ohio. It will be
a constitutional amendment and means the legislative brands can't touch
it once it's there. So think about it and get
on the signature campaign. Help them spread the signature, spread
around the petitions, and or at least just sign one. Sarah,
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it's been a real pleasure having you on the program.
I appreciate your efforts.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Talk to you again. I really appreciate it too.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
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