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April 12, 2025 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back here in the Guard with Ron Wilson and Yes,
two weeks in a row, Ladies and gentlemen, it's time
for the Bucky Joe Box and Port Joe Box. Assistant
Professor Commercial organ There I State Universe Extension. Oh is
your Department of Entomology. Poster boy for OW issue Extension,
co creator of Mathra Coffee and Porium where every cup
of Buggy Joe, as bold as King of Dora, gets
smooth as mathrous silkie wings. His website by g L

(00:25):
dot O su dot E edu. Ladies and gentlemen, Mister
common sense, he called himself Buggy Joe.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Bu well is that entry point? I'm not sure what
to say, ain't either.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
He's speechless.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Wait a minute, what I saw Joe walk? I saw
Joe want speechless one time in his life, speechless, speechless,
sure what to do.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Or I'll tell you. That's why I don't look at mirrors.
I mean the last time I looked at him, I
was just speechless. I didn't know what to say.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You were such a pretty site, such a pretty sight.
Oh sad, it's a sad day in my neighborhood. I'm
sure you heard this week Dennis the Menace passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know, I heard that. But that is amazing though.
And I was just reading a I'm just reading an
article in the Smithsonian about Cracker Jacks, you know, Dennis
the Menace, Cracker Jacks, Wrigley Field. I'm not sure how
all this connects, but it takes us way back to when,

(01:40):
you know, just just when when we had phosphorus and fertilizer.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I knew you were going to jump all over that.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
How did you like that?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Did you know how old Jay North was? No, how
old do you think he was? I mean you and
I both watched Lenis the mint Us.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh absolutely, Well, let's see, I would say I would
say eighty.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Five seventy three.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, yep, I didn't know that. I thought he well,
I thought he was right, I guess I I well that,
I'm not sure what to say. I'm speechless, I tell you,
get me speechless.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
When I saw that. I was kind of but he
was pretty young when he started that his acting career.
He was pretty young kid. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Anyway, Well, well it is true because he probably wasn't
when I now that you think about it, he probably
wasn't too far off of Ira Age when we watched it, right, yeah, okay,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
But you know what I think of tho, Hello, mister.
When I think of Dennis the minute, I always think
of the slingshot his back pocket. That's what kid has
a slingshot in his back pocket? Anymore? I did what

(03:11):
doesn't what kid would have a slingshot in their pocket
in today's world?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Nobody who would know what a.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Slingshot is exactly?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
That's really I don't know that that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't know about you, but I went from the
homemade slingshot to the wrist rocket.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh my goodness, yes, yes, with those I'm there you go,
there you go.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I could shoot a wallnut with that wrist rocket three
hundred yards, I swear.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
With a surgical tubing. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, that was oh yeah,
I mean the homemade you know, our homemade job just
kind of had like rubber bands, you know, like massive
rubber band anything.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Well, if you could get anything too from the bicycle two.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah oh yeah, yeah, yeah you were, But you just
said the right thing. I mean, the first time I
ever tried it, I could not even get it to
pull back, and it was just like you know, yeah, yeah,
tell you so.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Anyway, let's get back to that Fosters.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yes, yes, so what brought this on? I missed the
first part because I was upstairs up for Gary will
be proud. I'm prepping the room for painting today.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's all about prep. You know what mister Solomon says.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
That's exactly. I just you know, his voice was in
my head. It's it's it's really terrible. I might have
to see somebody about that, but voice was in the head.
And and yes, prepping it. All the little imperfections you know,
that will come through with no matter how expensive the paint. Right,
I've heard him say that one time.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
It doesn't matter what the paint. Yeah, it's all about
the I think.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's all about I think he has a wall plaque there,
doesn't he?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I mean, look, yeah he does. He said, yes, yes
he does. It's just out of camera range. He's got
one to talk about the three g's. And then yeah,
the prep all about prep, and of course over top
all it's all about.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Easy there it is there, it is, and you know, yes,
and pictures of furnaces when he dated them in high school.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yes, yea, he did a lot. The flatter the paint,
the less the imperfections will show.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's what Gary says.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
It says, the flatter the paint, the fewer imperfections that
you'll see. Here you go, run you got it?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Oh, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Of course, I've heard mister Salivans say that the flat
paints today you're able to watch them because they have
much better flat paints today. The quality is better.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well yeah, well, and that's been a problem because.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Coffee on it.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
No I well, I waited a minute spilling coffee on it.
I don't throw coffee at the wall.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Right, I mean when you spin it, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Oh, yes, that's right, when you find when you find
a moth in your coffee. Yes, let's go off full circle.
You have to reintroduce that story. But but no, I'll
tell you that the range of paints, the availability of
paints is just not my head has been spinning. It's
you know, in terms of selecting a paint, because yes,

(06:38):
you put a lot of effort into getting things started.
You don't want to do it next week again, right,
So it takes it takes time. It's just like you
don't want to continually need to fertilize your lawn if
you can help it, because it's you know, it takes
time to do that. Okay, So, so, so what brought

(07:02):
on the phosphorus discussion? I mis that I was.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I don't I forget the other fact I said you
if you've noticed, most fertilizers long food today is a
zero phosphorus except for the starter fertilizers in case you
need it.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
But yeah, yeah, so, and well that is.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
The fact that we don't you know, in most cases
there is phosphorus in the soil, but have it tested
to find out what if you need it, you can
always get it and add it.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You just you just use the golden words right there.
You know. There's also some municipalities that are banning, you know,
fertilizer with phosphorus in it, or banning the application of
phosphorus the turf grass unless you had a soil test
showing you have a deficit now, you know, and in

(07:52):
modern you know, when we when we construct our homes
these days, it is unfortunate though that a lot of
times the soil upon the home sets, you know, is
not the soil that was at the surface, and that
means that you might be starting off for a lot
of years, you know, behind the eight ball trying to
get a nice lawn. So anyone with a new home

(08:15):
out there, if there was any excavation done and let's
face it, rod and it's always going to happen, right
or if that has occurred, getting your soil tested is
your best investment. And what's interesting about this is maybe
fitting because it is spring and we're getting started. We
have a soil fact sheet and OSUE soil test fact sheet.

(08:39):
We actually have a couple. We have one that's a
little more geared towards agricultural, but you can there's still
a lot of information there there that applies to you know,
home gardens at and lawns. And then I'm updating the
fact sheet that's that's specific for lawns and gardens and
so forth. And it's just kind of been interesting in

(09:02):
looking one thing that we have our lists of labs
that will do the soil testing, and it's very interesting
to be to look at what has changed since the
first time this fact sheet was published in twenty seventeen exactly.
It's isn't all that long ago.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I have it right here in front of it. I
keep it all the time. Where did they posted January twelve, seventeen.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, and what what what I think was always helpful.
The thing that I was most proud to include in
that was this table in the back that has the
different labs that offer soil tests and then it describes,
you know, what they offer. Now, some of the you know,
it started going out of date with some of the
contact information being okay not you know, we needed to

(09:47):
update some of the labs have you know, changed their
contact information. But the biggest changes that I saw were
what the labs were offering. You know, what they would
do is a basic soil test. What are some of
the other things that they offered? When we published that,
originally it was interesting there was there were quite a

(10:08):
few labs that did tissue analysis, and now they still do,
but it's a little bit more specific then of course,
the tissue analysis has done. If you suspect that you
have a deficit but you're not quite sure what it is,
and let's say your soil test comes back with you know,

(10:29):
three different nutrients that are that are deficient, which one
is causing perhaps stunting in a particular plant, and that's
where you use a tissue analysis. But I'm getting off
a subject a bit. The first thing to do, though,
like I said, is just get your soil tested, and
most people do find that there's not going to be

(10:50):
a phosphorus deficit. It's truly amazing if you don't have,
you know, construction damage soil, if your soil wasn't in
your basement originally. Most, as I said, most of our
soils have adequate phosphors to support turf grass growth. And
then if you recycle the blades and I'm not talking

(11:12):
about the blades on the mower. I'm talking about if
you're using a lawnmower that returns the blades and you're
not bagging, then you are recycling the nutrients.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Put him right back down, which you should be doing.
And let's take a break and we'll find out why
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Speaker 1 (13:03):
Welcome back time for part two with the buggy drill
bog sport. Here in the garden with Ron Wilson and
talking about lawn feeding and throwing those grass clippings back
into the turf. Add organic matter, put it back in there,
put the fertilizer back in. I would guess that if
you do that all year long, Joe, which most folks
should be doing. Wouldn't it be almost equal to putting

(13:25):
an application of fertilizer down?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
You know that that is true. Actually, it's uh. You know,
the nutrient that is the most desensual for a nice
looking lawn is of course nitrogen, which goes very quickly
through the system. And that's that's why we typically don't
see nitrogen in a soil test result. And people often
ask that it's just that it moves so quickly through

(13:50):
the soil. It's taken up so quickly by the plant,
and a fast growing plant like turf grass. I mean,
let's face it, when you get when you think of
about it, there really isn't much else in a landscape
that grows like turf grass, right. It's it's always growing.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Our trees put on growth in the spring. They may
put on a second flush.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Some of the shrubs that we that we work with,
you know, we'll put on you know, second and third
flushes of growth, but just a continuous growth. And there's
there's a little side note here, you know. The growing
point of turf grass is a is called a crown,
just like a king or King's crown and it's sitting

(14:34):
right on the surface of the soil and from that
growing point arise the blades and the roots. Well, when
you think about it, you know that is also very
very different than you know, trees and shrubs. And if
you step back just a bit and think, well, now,
why would a plant do that? I mean, what would
be something that that may be eating the plant constantly?

(15:00):
So that's a good idea to grow from basically the
soil surface up all the time. What would we have
and it's you know, it's something that that we might
you know, get milk from andre is so so it's

(15:21):
it's speculated that a part of our so did Gary
come back in now come on? So it's speculated I
can tell well, it's speculated that that our grass is

(15:41):
like that they evolved you know, because they were you know,
in this way as partially because you know, they're being
grazed grazers and of course, you know, mammoths were giant grazers.
We tend to overlook some of these things. But but
I mean that's not the only reason. I'm sure some
of the plant taxonomists that they're listening out there are

(16:04):
just groaning because you know they're Wait a second, he's
saying monocots, you know, evolved because of great No, I'm
not saying that. I'm just saying that in the case
of turf grass, it really does demonstrate, you know, how
a plant is not hurt by something that's that feeds
on it all the time. So that's why it grows
from the bottom up. But if we you know, again,

(16:27):
step back and observe and consider. Okay, two things about this.
Number one is, like you said, if we use uh,
you know, mowers that return if you know, we have
a lot of different names for them, you know, recycling mowers.
What's another name for these bowers this case malting. I

(16:47):
love it multing. That's exactly right. And in the fall,
it really they really become mulching mowers. You're not talked
about this many times. You know, the you know raking
up and getting rid of leaves, raking up or you know,
bagging getting rid of turf grass clippings. Well, you're just
sending your nutrients down the road, you know, to a landfill.

(17:12):
When in fact, if you use a mulching mower, recycling
mulching mower, so everything's being returned, then you cut back
some of the research in at Ohio State, for example,
you cut back basically one application of nitrogen per season.
It's that impactful. And you know, and nutrients like phosphorus

(17:35):
that don't move that quickly, and that's the key here.
So phosphorus and potassium, and well, of course we know
magnesium and calcium. We usually have plenty of that in
the soil, so don't need to be too worried about that,
but phosphorus and potassium, they migrate very slowly through the soil,
unlike nitrogen, and when you think about it, then that's

(17:58):
just perfect for cycling. So the kind of multi mowers
that we're talking about ron are those that have a
specific blade for it. You can go out and buy
a mulching blade and you can put it on a
standard mower, but the results are not as good as
with a multimower with a deck that's been designed to

(18:21):
be a multi mower. It's helpful, don't get me wrong.
If you have a mower that is not designed to
be a multimower and you have in it bags the clippings,
then you can put a mulching blade on and you
can achieve you know, maybe fifty percent of what you
would like to see. Unfortunately. That's also though, where mulching

(18:45):
mowers can have gotten kind of a bad reputation for clumping.
It's very often that a person is not using a
designed machine right because these mulching mowers. I have one,
and I don't get clumping anymore more than anybody else.
Because there's the other key here, MO often and MO high,

(19:07):
not you mow the setting of the I'm sorry, yes,
it's our seventies time period are coming back to us, right,
some of you know, some are saying, what what did
he mean by that? My point being though, is yes,
I got it, I got it. Yeah, you want to

(19:29):
bring that mower, you want to bring that mower deck up.
Let's face it, to the highest setting.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Right for most most right, for most.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Mowers, it's the highest setting. And then MO often, so
you're not removing a lot of the plant.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
And by the way, you talk about professional grazers, yeah,
Gary Sullivan, I you give us the right or derv table.
We are truly professional grazers.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Oh there you go. Yeah, yeah, but you all four
of us show up just you got it.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Bucket, Joe Bog's always a pleasure. We'll talk to you
next week.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Eat, take care, Bye bye bye.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Thanks all our callers, Thanks to our sponsors, Thanks of
course to our producer Danny Gleeson, because without Danny, none
other stuffould happens. So Dan, thank you so much for
all that you do to make this show go. Now
do yourself a favor. Figure out where you're gonna plant
a tree or two or three. Keep planting those native plants,
native selections, be pollinator friendly, pay for your worms, get
your kids and dogs involved gardening, and by all means

(20:27):
making the best weekend of your life.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
See you green, tom or not.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
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