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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Talking yarding on this Memorial weekend. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy. Don't forget our website. It's Ron
Wilson online dot com. Got our plants of the week,
We got some postings there. It's kind of spooky look
out and there's nothing has lit up except inside the studios.
Electric went out, so we've got the generators, which just
amazes me. Not even a glitch. I mean it just
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nothing even skips a beat.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Now, our engineering team is very good here, unbelievable because
we have the backup batteries kick in until the jenerator
kicked in and now everything's.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fine and it's like nothing ever happened, except the lights
will go for about whatever long.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is very dark in here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's pretty interesting anyway. Check out our website a runos
online dot com, where you also find Rita Nator Hikenfeld's
recipe for this week. And speaking of which, guess what
it is time for? Are you erbally experience with our
CCPC and major award winning syndicated journalist. She is an
Appalachian herbal scholar, member of the herb Society of America,
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cooking teacher, media personality, motivational speaker, I'm always motivated when
she leaves our shoe, not when she leaves the show
while she's on the show. Regular contributor on Sacred Heart
Radio as well as iHeartRadio. Her website about eating dot
com ladies and gentlemen, The One the Only rita natter
Hike and Feld.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
They're a little slow because I can't see.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, everybody in the here is you can't see anywhere
because the lights are all out.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well that was I've been an interesting set of events
for about light.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
For about thirty seconds. It's really weird. Nothing The computer
screens don't go off because they're on battery backup, so
everything there in the radio is like nothing ever happened.
But everything else around you is off. And of course
there's no windows here, so it's dark. And then all
of a sudden it comes back home because the generator
kicks in, So there you go.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yep, Thank goodness for that fun time.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fun times makes it more exciting. So how are you
this morning?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, I am just really having a good time, just
getting the gardens tilled once again. You know, I think
you could hire me out. I've told you this before.
If anybody needs your garden tilled, you know I am available.
I think I like doing that and planting even better
than harvesting. I know that sounds weird, but and we're
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getting ready for the holiday weekend. We usually go to
an outdoor math and the nice thing. It's a Saint
Dolmana not far from here, and my parents and one
of my sister's graves are there, so we get to
decorate the graves too, and that's really important. Didn't you
do that when you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Were a kid, back when it was uh what was
it called decoration day?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah? I know, boy, we're going back.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, that was a long time ago. Well, you know,
I used to always tell the story because it was
this weekend and your parents may have been the same
way that. You know, my mom and dad really got
into the final planting of the vegetable garden and putting
a few flowers. What a few flowers were? The plant
was this typically this weekend?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yep, never before if I remember, right. Yeah, but that's
all changed, hasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It a lot? First warm day in March, it's like
one of the petunias ready, one of those tomatoes going
to be ready. So it gets kind of crazy. Talk
without Rita hikenfeld A gat her website about eating dot com.
You'll find her recipes on our website at Roy Wilson
Online as well. I let's listen to jump right into
this because I wanted lots to cover today. Uh, let's
first talk about your recipe for this week. It is
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the broccoli cauliflower salad. And it's kind of interesting because
it's a broccoli cauliflower salad, not just broccoli salad.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, and you and Joe were talking, who doesn't love that,
especially for you know, the start of the picnic season.
And it has broccoli and cauliflower and a little pieces,
as you said, not not big ol' you know honks.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
So it also honkers, not big old honkers.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
We won't even go into.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Okay, you know I actually cut that off right right
above the stalk where the head comes out, and then
I take that and break that all apart. I like
it really really mingled out in there.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Oh yeah, well, and you remember you have to, you know,
pick it up with a fork, so you need it
small and then just stave those stalks for soup. But anyway,
what you're gonna do, you're gonna mix broccoli and cauliflower,
some bacon, onion, and I like to put some seedless
red grapes that are cut in half, and some pecans,
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and then I usually put in a cucumber. Now that's optional,
but we like that, and then some cheddar cheese. And
the dressing is a little unusual. Instead of just the
mayo sugar vinegar, it's got some Greek yogurt, mayo, red
wine vinegar, a little sugar, and because you know I
love herbs, I'll throw in some fresh thyme or a
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pinch or two, maybe a half a teaspoit of dried
time gives a little bit of a peppery taste, salt
and pepper, and that's it. And it's a wonderful totable salad.
And gosh, I know, once I make it, everybody goes
back for seconds, and.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You say, you know you have an iron scratched this out.
You got a half a pound of bacon.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Uh yeah, you probably my.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Own Parentthesy says, fry two pounds bacon, one pound for ron,
one pound for salad.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Oh yeah, well, you know that's so true too. When
you fry bacon, it smells so good. And then, of course,
now the trend is to save the bacon fat, which
we've done for generations. Sure you and your mom and
grandma have too. Yeah, nothing goes to waste there. But
that's my offering for Memorial Day.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, here's my questions I have. I actually have questions
about this recipe, believe it or not. Red grapes. Why
do we always use red grapes? Because I love the
white grapes. Green grapes, Oh yeah, I love those much
more than red grapes.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Oh do you Well, I think it's probably due to color. Now,
as far as nutrition, red grapes have more nutritional value,
but you could certainly use green. But then, especially when
you think of the cauliflower and broccoli and the green
grapes visually may get lost. But you know what, maybe
if you don't like grapes, you could put dried cherries
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or cranberry, so it could do your thing.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So well, I just I just like the green grapes
better than the red soil and I get by grapes
the grocery store. I have to get green for me
and red for Carol, pepsi for me, quoke for care,
you know that type of thing.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yep, everybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Oh, so everybody's happy. And if mom ma ain't happy
nobody's happening. Then my question is the English cucumber. Yeah,
twofold one is does it have to be an English cucumber?
Going to be any cucumber?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
It could be in any cucumber. The reason we do
English is because there's more flesh and less water, so
you've got more of a crunch. But when the garden cucumbers,
and that's what we use. But if you're going to
use a regular cucumber from the store, you know when
you cut it you might have to cut it long ways,
and if it's real seedy, then just channel it out
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with a spoon. But honestly, you know, again, whatever you
have on hand is going to work, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, But the watery thing is worth it because to me,
if we make like potato salad or whatever that has
cucumbers in it, we'll make two batches, one for the
day that has cucumbers and one that we're going to
say for two or three days that doesn't have the cucumber.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Oh that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That watery exactly, So the English cucumber would be less
less watery, right.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's more flesh and the seeds are so tiny you
don't have to ever worry.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, right, and those are easy to grow too, and
those are available at your local garden centers if you're
interested in growing English cucumbers, and probably I think when
you see them grown in greenhouses most of the time
it is the English screen if I'm not mistaken, cucumbers
to grow in the greenhouse too.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yep, they do. Yeah, those are the best sellers.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Talking with Rita Hikenfeld again. Her website is about eating
dot com. Always a pleasure having read it on. It's
been great having you on. I don't know when this
is going to end, but having you on every Saturday
has been absolutely wonderful. I really do appreciate you taking
time because I know it takes a lot out of
your schedule to do that. We do appreciate it. And
of course you have a weekly recipe as well. We'll
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take a quick break, we come back, we'll talk about uh, well,
we're gonna talk about the herb of the week with
Rita Hikenfeld. Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, How
is your garden growing?
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Speaker 1 (12:19):
Talking to Yarding at eight hundred and eight two three
eight two five five courses. Are you urbally experienced with
our herbal expert Rita Hikenfeld her website about eating dot com.
You know, I've just read this thing about the Boone
County Arboretum doing an arboretum after dark. You could do
that in your woods in the river.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Oh yeah, well even before dark. The kids were here yesterday,
the grandkids, and went down to the river and they
were quite concerned. They saw a teeny baby, a little pawn,
just probably newly born, in a little patrograss, and they
didn't see the mom or the dad. So I told
them I'm sure mom especially was on the lookout, so
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oh yeah, I'm glad. They didn't get too close, but
they were so concerned they thought it was an orphan.
So I went down later and it was gone, so
I'm assuming the family got reunited.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
My mom used to have a couple that hung around
their house, and one time we were a whole bunch
of us on her patio and deck, and she had
left a little bitty one right next to the deck,
right on the kind of nestled in there, and all
of a sudden, this little fawn stand and everybody's like,
what the you know, it's like, where'd that thing come from?
And then it got up and kind of walked out
and then she popped out of the woods and that
was all was good. So there, well, there you go.
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Talk with Rita Hikenfeld. I don't know if you saw
my plant pick of the week this week, but it
is the Rodney Dangerfield of herbs, and then of course
would be.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Lovage, and you know, since we talked about it a
couple of weeks ago, and as you know, I hang
around nay TRPs on Saturday and I will be there
today ten thirty to twelve thirty in the herb section. Boy,
I had several people come up to me to purchase lovage.
They had not heard about it before. So it is
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the Rodney Dangerfield of herbs. But such a useful perennial
and great celery flavor and nice to use in the
winter as well, so you can't go wrong with that one.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Well. I was taking some of those real tall ones
and pinching the ends off and having people taste it,
and I said, now blow through it. They're like, oh,
it's hollow. I said, yeah, you use it for a
straw for your bloody mary.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I don't get no respect. I don't get there.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, yeah, you've got a lot of uses for it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll find all kinds of things you use
it for. All right, let's talk about your herb of
the week, which happens to be Bay laurel.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah. And it's funny because, again, not an herb that
people grow very very much. It's not a mainstream herb
because it's in the form of a tree and you
can buy them in small specimens and then RePOP them
when you get them home. And the bay tree here
and where I live, in our climate, I treat as
a tender perennial. Once the weather gets fIF keen degrees consistently,
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I'll bring her in. But you know, there's a couple
different kinds of bay. Most people buy it dry at
the store. And the true bay laurel it's called Lauris nobilis,
and that again is a true bay and that's from
the Mediterranean. And if you think about that, that plant
family a lot of people didn't know this also includes
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cinnamon and sassafrass, those really fragrant spices. And then we
have the California bay, mister Wilson, and that is native
of course the California, but it's family comes it's in
the same family as avocados, so different family, but they
taste this pretty much the same. And by looking you
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may not know the difference, the difference between the true
bay and the California bay. I think if you look
at it and give it a sniff, you'll know. Because
the true bay, the leaves are larger and sort of
softly rounded, pointed, and when that's dried, it has I think,
like a floral almost like eucalyptics, like flavor. And then
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the California bay they're more pointed and skinny, like slender,
but their flavor is much stronger. So whatever you have
is just fine. But if you want the true bay,
that's what you'll look for on the label, and if
you buy it, buy them in the store, it's usually
the true bay as well. So when I mean sture,
I met nursery like the fresh bay.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sure, and you were talking about being in a tree form,
and it's a woody plant, so you overwinter inside the
house in a really sunny area, and yes, you can't
pick a few leaves and use those over the winter
as well, but it doesn't you know, you're harvesting and
nipping it and pruning it. Really keep it more in
a bush large bush form, or you can get it
in the tree form however you like either way, so
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either way works for you, and I know you obviously
this is the one that the reader will even admit.
Does you want to do it in a container not
in the ground, obviously, so you can bring it back
inside over the winter. But what's interesting about bay is
over the last couple of years, a lot of the
growers that supplied bay trees or bay plants around our
area and other areas as well aren't growing them anymore.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And so why is that.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Bay has become limited in availability and a lot of
different areas. Reason being is by the time you get
a rooted cutting, and they're all grown from cuttings, it
takes about two years in a greenhouse in those small
pots to get those rooted in enough that you can
sell them. So you've got two years invested in a greenhouse,
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and a lot of greenhouses are saying I don't want
to spend the two years growing them. So you know,
it's being hard to find the availability of bay anymore,
especially in our area. And I'm hearing that from a
lot of folks say, well, you just can't find it anymore.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Isn't that funny? When when we were in Europe Italy?
I remember my friend Carol and I were in pizza
by the leaning tower and the bay trees there they
formed a wall and they were sort of scraguely looking,
but you know, that's where they're indigenous to and I
mean I couldn't hardly see the sky, but here, as
you said, they're just harder to propagate. And so yeah,
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if you run across a bay tree, I hope you
certainly get it from the nursery. And when you pull
those leaves off too, you should just sort of yank
them down, and that way it keeps the branch and
the stem healthy and you'll get a clean break for
the leaves and you can use them pressure dry. You
don't need to use more fresh than dry in this
particular herb. But it's just a wonderful herb and one
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that's not well known as far as growing.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Like you said, so why did they use that for
the wreaths and that for athletes? And like I was
watching the Flying Pig and they had a for the winners,
had that reef to put on your hat of bay leaves?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Oh yeah, you know This is very interesting. It's actually
mentioned in the Bible. It's such an ancient, ancient plant,
and they would their athletes and their heroes would be
crowned with bay. And that's also when people got married
back in the day, they would put some sprigs of
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bay leaves in the bouquet for fertility. But when you
think of the name too, if you just think of
the name Lauris Nobilis and then you think of a
baccalaureate degree that you get when you go to college,
it's all come back. So see, there's always some fun
connection with herbs. But ancient Greece, it has its roots
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and it was, as I said, used to crown and
decorate athletes and persons of distinction. So you might have
had a who knows, a crown of bay on your
head back then.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I love the story behind the history behind plants. You know,
it used to be just the plant and the benefits.
Now the more you learn about why the plant is
what it is or what it does, and like researching that,
Robert Mitcham meant, you know, my goodness, learn more about that.
Where did that? Nobody can figure out where that name
came from, but that particular name anyway, But learning more
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about them like that, I think is always so intriguing.
And where they were using again herbs way back to
BC times.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, especially some of the most popular and
spices too. They were used in embalming and all kinds
of fun things. So lots of good information about Bay
on our site.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And if you want to talk with Rita Hikenfeld in person,
should be at Naturop's nursery islet today from ten thirty
until twelve thirty out in Mason, Ohio. Rita Hikenfeld always
a pleasure, have a great Memorial weekend.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Tell mister Hikenfeld we said the low I will and
I'll talk to you next week. Mister Wilson Rita Hikenfeld
about eating a dot com Coming up next the Queen
Bee Barbie Bletcher Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, Green.
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Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Will and
again that toll free number eight hundred eight two three
eight two five five talking to you yarding on this
Memorial weekend and it's time to get another update from
our queen bee. That would be are you ready, Barbe Blecher?
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Shut down, you're kind of slow. I still can't see.
They can't see. The lights are out here in the
in the studio, so they can't see very well.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
So the sun is out not here yet.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well yeah, I kind of see it is coming up.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yes, well the sun's out.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yell.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, we can't see very well because you can't see anyway.
Talk about Barbie Butcher. Of course, she has been working
with us for years and years and years as our
queen Bee, our b expert, keeping us updated on what
we should do to keep those bees and pollinators happy
out there, and of course Barbie. The big story this
year so far has been the loss of millions and
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millions of honeybees, and just thought we'd get twofold today.
One is an update of what you've heard so far
to date. And then secondly, it is swarm season and
how do we handle that? So let's start out. First
of all, what have you found out so far with
a huge b loss.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
There's no news yet, but there's no more losses, so
I guess that's the good thing. So they're up to
one point six million is the official total losses. And
this is a commercial beekeepers, who usually do not lose
a lot of colonies. I mean, they still lose colonies,
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but this is significant. This is the worst recorded loss
even since the Conic collapse occurred back in the mid nineties.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So the news, yeah, so the news of the fact
that there was the huge b loss. But since then
it's been recovery, recurs recovery and no losses. That's at
least a good sign that it's not something that's continuing
on causing problems.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
The bad part, I mean it's all bad, But the
bad part is that the loss has occurred before the
pollination of almonds. So the very time that we need
the most almonds, the most colonies to pollinate almonds, they
didn't have them. So instead of having you're supposed to
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have two colonies of bees per acre of almond, they
only had one colony of bees per three acres of almonds.
So and then now we're going into blueberries and apples,
our necks probably and they just don't have the bees.
So I mean, you can't we can make splits. So
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the problem with beekeepers were our own worst enemies because
we can make splits of our colonies. So instead of
you know, starting out with ten colonies in the spring
and making splits and increasing, we'll have ten in the fall,
five of them die and we can make splits to
go back up to ten or fifteen or whatever. But
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we don't. We're not really making increases because we lose
so many colonies every year.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
So it's just much more difficult for beekeepers to be
able to catch up and actually get ahead because it
takes really all season so season to get a colony
build up like it was in the fall, and you've
lost that pollination, you've lost your income from the pollination,
and you don't get a honey crop because it takes
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pretty much all year for a colony to be strong
enough to bring in a lot of honey.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So we need to keep this major b loss in
mind in the future when we're looking at almonds and
the availability in price is any bee products that you know,
obviously the honey and the pollen and things like that
that are produced from the bees. If that's not available,
plus the pricing, remember again what happened and it takes
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a while for that to recover. So are you saying like,
by the end of this year, will we have recovered
from the million be loss one point six million or
does does that happen over time?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I don't think that commercial beekeepers will ever really recover
from that, okay, because they've lost a year of income. Right,
So there are stories that you know, a beekeeper, a
commercial beekeeper took a truckload of bees down in the pollination.
By the time we got down there the cold call,
the whole truck was full of dead hives. So you know,
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hopefully they have enough collateral that they can build back
up again. But they've lost a year of income. So
you know, some some can make up for that, and
some of them, we can't.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Wow, what a hit. Talking with Barb, we'll let your
she is our queen Bee, and she's our retired state
APRS by the way, and an entomologist as well, so
she knows her bees. Thus the name Barb b and
our queen Bee. So a lot of folks are scrambling.
So and it just take for instance, in the state
of Ohio, we wound up what did you say our
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losses were for this year reported losses?
Speaker 8 (28:28):
We're about sixty percent loss, maybe maybe a little less
than that maybe a fifty percent loss. We're not as
bad as some of the other states. We do have
some commercial beekeepers who lost significant number of colonies.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Wow and again, and that's and of course these numbers
come from commercial producers, so that because you're actually able
to see your hives and count them and et cetera,
et cetera. So that's where these numbers come from. So again,
our normal loss, if refreshed my memory, thirty percent.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Yeah, ideally, you know, back back before we had all
these past before we had the vermite and all that,
we had, a ten percent loss was was normal. Then
it went up to about a thirty percent loss. We
can probably tolerate even a forty percent loss, but when
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it gets up to fifty sixty percent, you know, we're
going backwards. So we're not we're not able to keep
up and grow. We all we're doing is making up
for losses.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Did you buy chance? You were the reply I saw
the report last week. A gentleman I guess it was
in Texas, was stung to death by he's it was
a bee keeper. Of course, I got two or three
emails about you know, is ask Barbie, is that you know,
is that possibly that's going to happen, you know, here
in Ohio. And I guess from what I was under
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that that they weren't regular bees, right.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Well, these stories get so exaggerated. We had a case
a couple of years ago where a kid climbed a
tree and he cut off a limb that was full
of bees and he was really badly stung. And they said, well,
they're Africanized bees, and they weren't. He just he tied
himself to the tree so he couldn't fall, you know,
(30:23):
get away, and he had all those bees that he
just cut their limb off. So I think, I think
it might be something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And you don't want to mess with a bee, right,
I mean, you know, I'm joking when I say that.
But they're they're they're they're protecting their home, their their hives.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah, And I didn't find out what the real story was.
I was gonna contact the state apurist, and I don't know,
time got away from me. But I think there's more
to the story than what we what we read, because
it just doesn't it doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, And that's that's why I was That's why I
wouldn't bring it because it usually it's there's there's two sides,
and there's or more to the story. But that always gets,
you know, folks get into a panic. Because after we
take a break here we're going to talk about swarming
bees which can really put folks into a panic and
why they should not and what they should do and
what about do you if you see that bee flying
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in the side of your foundation of your home, should
you be concerned about that as well? Well, Barb Bletcher
has all of our answers after the break here in
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Speaker 1 (33:33):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson's special
guests this morning. Barb Let your are Queen Bee talking
about the big b loss from the spring and fortunately
it hasn't continued on so that's a good thing. Whatever
it was just happened over the winter.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
They need to find out so that it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Can happen again, absolutely, but do keep that in mind
when you can't find as many almonds out there that
you're looking for, prices go up, or maybe even honey
products in the area, because that's a that is a
major hit both for.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Crop production toberries. They're all going to go up in.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Price, right, crop production, all the bee products, and also
do keep that in mind. It just shows you how
important they are to what we do our daily lives.
And that's why it's so important even more so now
for all of us to be e more friendly and
pollinator polite in our gardens as well. So you're looking
out in your yard and all of a sudden a
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swarm shows up in your tree, and you just saw
the story on the news from Texas and now you're
scared to death. Or maybe you're sitting at the patio
and you see an occasional honeybee go in the wall
of your house and back out again. Should you panic,
Barbie Butcher.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Don't panic now, do not panic. So if you see
a swarm move into a tree or hopefully not the
site of your house, as soon as they move in,
or preferably before, call a beekeeper and they will gladly
try to get them out. The sooner the better because
once bees have set up housekeeping you know, and they
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are making honey. It's going to be very difficult to
get them out. But when you see those first couple
handfuls of bees, they're exploring a hole. Patch up that hole.
Don't think, well, I'll get to that. Do go out
that minute and patch up that hole. Because those are
what we call scout bees. And so when the colony,
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you know, honeybee colonies swarm in the spring. That's a
natural thing that they do to reproduce, just like ants
will swarm in the spring. So they're swarming in the spring.
Basically their house is full and they need to find
a new colony in split. So the old queen is
going to leave with some of her loyal workers and
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start a new house somewhere. But before that happens, there
are scalp bees that are looking around trying to find
that new home. So it may be in the grill
of an old car, it could be in the wall
of a building, but they have they're gonna check it
out first. They're check it out and see how big
the hole is, if it's a good size, and smell
(36:19):
and all that. Those first bees they go back to
the colony, they tell their sisters and say, come on,
you got to check this out. Then more bees come,
and so there's kind of like a contest going on
in the colony where the different scalp bees all checking
out different places and saying this is the best place,
this is the best place. So the scalp bees that
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have the best story, they're the best sales bees. They're
the ones that kind of win that contest. So then
all that that whole swarm will follow those scalp bees
because they don't even know where it is. It's just
that first handful of scout bees that know where they're going.
So they all follow those up to that new hole.
So if you see bees flying around, check it out
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a hole, plug it up, because that may be a
future home for those bees.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
All right, so it's twofold here. First of all, they
go back and tell the story. How are they telling
the story?
Speaker 8 (37:18):
They do a waggle dance.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
That's the waggle dance.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yes, they get all excited, buzz around and tell them
what direction it is compared to the direction of the sun.
And yeah, they do a waggle dance and tell them
where where that place is.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So if you're playing charades, you want a honeybee as
your partner.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
That would definitely be a honey bee and a partner.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I bet you're really good at charades. Yep, Yeah, yeah,
I can. I can imagine, seriously, I bet you can.
So they so they do the waggle dance and everybody agrees, uh,
and they say, okay, so we follow them and we
go there and that's what we make our new nest.
Now what now? And that's if I'm seeing this happening
(38:00):
right now, how do I know there isn't already a nest,
that they were there over the winter and that I
didn't notice it. I mean, is there a point where
I don't plug up that hole because now there's a
chance there could be a nest inside, Because once you
get that nest in the wall, that's bad news.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
That's a great that's one hundred thousand dollars question. That's
a great questioning. The best way to tell is just
the activity. If you had bees coming in and going,
especially if they're bringing in pollen, you have an established
colony because they're only going to be bringing in pollen
if they have children's feed. So if they're bringing in
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pollen on their little curdiculous their little hind legs. You've
got an established colony.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So now I've got to get a need to get
a little more serious as far as watching them just
to see what and they're not going to hurt you, don't,
don't worry about don't worry about that. Just stand back
and observe. If you've got a really good cell phone,
like Nina Bagley diesel Pets, some of the pictures she sends,
sometimes I can't. I mean, I could count the amount
(39:09):
of pollen that's on the legs of some of her bees.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
You can count the hairs on their low firm path.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's unbelievable. That's one of the best cell phone cameras
I've ever seen. But anyway, um, so you know, watch
and if they're actually bringing pollen in, that's a different story. Now.
If they're just going in, checking it out, coming back out, yeah,
then you've got time to plug that up. But if
they're not, then you probably have a problem. And if
you do suspect that that is the issue, I need
(39:37):
to get a hold of a beekeeper. Correct.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah. Now, if they're in a tree, keep in mind
that the only way to get them out of that
tree is to cut the tree down. So if they're
up high, you know, twelve twenty feet up, just leave
them alone. They're not gonna hurt anybody. They can live
up there in harmony with nature and they're not going
to bother anybody.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yes, those you just let them do their thing.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Yeah, in a house, we can take boards off and
potentially get them out, especially if they just moved in.
But a tree, we can't do that. We would have
to cut the tree down.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
You know, I told you, and I think I sent
you the emails too of the young lady who was
listening to our show two years ago and had the
bees in the wall, and she went to the I
think it was Central Ohio beekeepers and they recommended her
to the beekeeper who was also a construction guy. Did
the handyman. He was able to take the drywall out,
(40:36):
extract the hive, clean it all out, and then put
the drywall back and paint it over like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Yeah, we use a bee back. It's a special vacuum
cleaner that sucks up the bees. But then you have
to cut all that comb out because they've got you know,
you can have a whole foundation, a whole wall of honeycomb.
And if you don't, if you decide to plug up
that hole and not take the bees out, all that
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wax is gonna melt, and the honey's gonna melt, and
you're gonna have honey soaked walls, and then you'll have
ants and everybody else that loves honey. So if it's
in your home or a building, you do not want
to just plug up the hole and hope they go away,
because then you have a bigger problem.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So catch that if you if you suspect you have
them in the wall, somebody else needs to take care
of it. Because if you plug that up and that
just stays there. Although honey lasts forever, right.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
Sort of, it does, but it gets hot without the bees, right, and.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So now it's not you keep it and you've got
that wax. Not a good thing. So again, be patient,
as Barbara saying, they're not gonna bother you just watch,
observe and you know, don't panic. They're not the swarms
that are gonna come after you like in the news
and all of that. Uh, and then make a decision
what needs to be done. But if you can catch
it early, you save yourself a lot of money, and
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you save the bees as well.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
And one last thing, if you use any kind of
insectus side, just plug up the hole and don't call
beekeeper because it will contamulate our beekeeping equipment. And then
you have other bees that will come in there and
take that insecticide back to their nest, So don't use
it insecticide. But if you do, just plug up the hole.
(42:17):
You'll still have to have somebody come and cut all
that stuff out, But don't take a chance in killing
other people's hives.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
To good, good point, Can I ask you a question
about carpenter bees?
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, does the does the queen? You know, obviously the
queen has to or the female has to overwinter somewhere.
The males don't overwinter, right, they die the.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Poor man always have they always They're useless besides mating.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
And then that's it. Yeah, buzzing around your face a
few times and then taking up space. So the queen
does she would she actually over win her in that hole?
Or does she go somewhere else and and.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Find it so the new the new queens will overwinter
in those holes. The old queen's unfortunately won't make it usually.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
So they'll stay in the holes that they so they'll
stay in that hole they drilled in your deck over
the winter and then come out. So that's what I'm
seeing come out in very early spring.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
Yeah, So you could plug those up with some brillow
steel wall and some cocking compound and they'll stay in
hopefully stay in the hole and die, but sometimes they'll
dig another.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Way out liquid nail. I think that's still one of
the best ways to put structure back in the wood
and seals it up at the same time. Barbie Bletcher,
always a pleasure, great information. We'll get back with you
next month. See we've got any more updates and more
b ee information. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Ron.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
All right, take care, Barb. But let your our queen Bee.
And there you go. Another reason why we need to
just really double triple down and do as much as
we can to take care of those bees and those pollinators.
Eight hundred eight two three eight two five to five.
That's number here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
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Talking yarding on this Memorial weekend. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy. Don't forget our website. It's Ron
Wilson online dot com. Got our plants of the week,
We got some postings there. It's kind of spooky look
out and there's nothing has lit up except inside the studios.
Electric went out, so we've got the generators, which just
amazes me. Not even a glitch. I mean it just
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nothing even skips a beat.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Now, our engineering team is very good here, unbelievable because
we have the backup batteries kick in until the jenerator
kicked in and now everything's.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fine and it's like nothing ever happened, except the lights
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
Is very dark in here.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's pretty interesting anyway. Check out our website a runos
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Well that was I've been an interesting set of events
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For about thirty seconds. It's really weird. Nothing The computer
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Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yep, Thank goodness for that fun time.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fun times makes it more exciting. So how are you
this morning?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Well, I am just really having a good time, just
getting the gardens tilled once again. You know, I think
you could hire me out. I've told you this before.
If anybody needs your garden tilled, you know I am available.
I think I like doing that and planting even better
than harvesting. I know that sounds weird, but and we're
(02:54):
getting ready for the holiday weekend. We usually go to
an outdoor math and the nice thing. It's a Saint
Dolmana not far from here, and my parents and one
of my sister's graves are there, so we get to
decorate the graves too, and that's really important. Didn't you
do that when you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Were a kid, back when it was uh what was
it called decoration day?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Yeah? I know, boy, we're going back.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, that was a long time ago. Well, you know,
I used to always tell the story because it was
this weekend and your parents may have been the same
way that. You know, my mom and dad really got
into the final planting of the vegetable garden and putting
a few flowers. What a few flowers were? The plant
was this typically this weekend?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yep, never before if I remember, right. Yeah, but that's
all changed, hasn't.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It a lot? First warm day in March, it's like
one of the petunias ready, one of those tomatoes going
to be ready. So it gets kind of crazy. Talk
without Rita hikenfeld A gat her website about eating dot com.
You'll find her recipes on our website at Roy Wilson
Online as well. I let's listen to jump right into
this because I wanted lots to cover today. Uh, let's
first talk about your recipe for this week. It is
(04:05):
the broccoli cauliflower salad. And it's kind of interesting because
it's a broccoli cauliflower salad, not just broccoli salad.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, and you and Joe were talking, who doesn't love that,
especially for you know, the start of the picnic season.
And it has broccoli and cauliflower and a little pieces,
as you said, not not big ol' you know honks.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
So it also honkers, not big old honkers.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
We won't even go into.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Okay, you know I actually cut that off right right
above the stalk where the head comes out, and then
I take that and break that all apart. I like
it really really mingled out in there.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Oh yeah, well, and you remember you have to, you know,
pick it up with a fork, so you need it
small and then just stave those stalks for soup. But anyway,
what you're gonna do, you're gonna mix broccoli and cauliflower,
some bacon, onion, and I like to put some seedless
red grapes that are cut in half, and some pecans,
(05:06):
and then I usually put in a cucumber. Now that's optional,
but we like that, and then some cheddar cheese. And
the dressing is a little unusual. Instead of just the
mayo sugar vinegar, it's got some Greek yogurt, mayo, red
wine vinegar, a little sugar, and because you know I
love herbs, I'll throw in some fresh thyme or a
(05:28):
pinch or two, maybe a half a teaspoit of dried
time gives a little bit of a peppery taste, salt
and pepper, and that's it. And it's a wonderful totable salad.
And gosh, I know, once I make it, everybody goes
back for seconds, and.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You say, you know you have an iron scratched this out.
You got a half a pound of bacon.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Uh yeah, you probably my.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Own Parentthesy says, fry two pounds bacon, one pound for ron,
one pound for salad.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Oh yeah, well, you know that's so true too. When
you fry bacon, it smells so good. And then, of course,
now the trend is to save the bacon fat, which
we've done for generations. Sure you and your mom and
grandma have too. Yeah, nothing goes to waste there. But
that's my offering for Memorial Day.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, here's my questions I have. I actually have questions
about this recipe, believe it or not. Red grapes. Why
do we always use red grapes? Because I love the
white grapes. Green grapes, Oh yeah, I love those much
more than red grapes.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Oh do you Well, I think it's probably due to color. Now,
as far as nutrition, red grapes have more nutritional value,
but you could certainly use green. But then, especially when
you think of the cauliflower and broccoli and the green
grapes visually may get lost. But you know what, maybe
if you don't like grapes, you could put dried cherries
(06:55):
or cranberry, so it could do your thing.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So well, I just I just like the green grapes
better than the red soil and I get by grapes
the grocery store. I have to get green for me
and red for Carol, pepsi for me, quoke for care,
you know that type of thing.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yep, everybody's happy.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Oh, so everybody's happy. And if mom ma ain't happy
nobody's happening. Then my question is the English cucumber. Yeah,
twofold one is does it have to be an English cucumber?
Going to be any cucumber?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
It could be in any cucumber. The reason we do
English is because there's more flesh and less water, so
you've got more of a crunch. But when the garden cucumbers,
and that's what we use. But if you're going to
use a regular cucumber from the store, you know when
you cut it you might have to cut it long ways,
and if it's real seedy, then just channel it out
(07:45):
with a spoon. But honestly, you know, again, whatever you
have on hand is going to work, don't you think.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, But the watery thing is worth it because to me,
if we make like potato salad or whatever that has
cucumbers in it, we'll make two batches, one for the
day that has cucumbers and one that we're going to
say for two or three days that doesn't have the cucumber.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Oh that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That watery exactly, So the English cucumber would be less
less watery, right.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's more flesh and the seeds are so tiny you
don't have to ever worry.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, right, and those are easy to grow too, and
those are available at your local garden centers if you're
interested in growing English cucumbers, and probably I think when
you see them grown in greenhouses most of the time
it is the English screen if I'm not mistaken, cucumbers
to grow in the greenhouse too.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yep, they do. Yeah, those are the best sellers.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Talking with Rita Hikenfeld again. Her website is about eating
dot com. Always a pleasure having read it on. It's
been great having you on. I don't know when this
is going to end, but having you on every Saturday
has been absolutely wonderful. I really do appreciate you taking
time because I know it takes a lot out of
your schedule to do that. We do appreciate it. And
of course you have a weekly recipe as well. We'll
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take a quick break, we come back, we'll talk about uh, well,
we're gonna talk about the herb of the week with
Rita Hikenfeld. Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, How
is your garden growing?
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You know, I've just read this thing about the Boone
County Arboretum doing an arboretum after dark. You could do
that in your woods in the river.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Oh yeah, well even before dark. The kids were here yesterday,
the grandkids, and went down to the river and they
were quite concerned. They saw a teeny baby, a little pawn,
just probably newly born, in a little patrograss, and they
didn't see the mom or the dad. So I told
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of us on her patio and deck, and she had
left a little bitty one right next to the deck,
right on the kind of nestled in there, and all
of a sudden, this little fawn stand and everybody's like,
what the you know, it's like, where'd that thing come from?
And then it got up and kind of walked out
and then she popped out of the woods and that
was all was good. So there, well, there you go.
(13:36):
Talk with Rita Hikenfeld. I don't know if you saw
my plant pick of the week this week, but it
is the Rodney Dangerfield of herbs, and then of course
would be.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Lovage, and you know, since we talked about it a
couple of weeks ago, and as you know, I hang
around nay TRPs on Saturday and I will be there
today ten thirty to twelve thirty in the herb section. Boy,
I had several people come up to me to purchase lovage.
They had not heard about it before. So it is
(14:05):
the Rodney Dangerfield of herbs. But such a useful perennial
and great celery flavor and nice to use in the
winter as well, so you can't go wrong with that one.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Well. I was taking some of those real tall ones
and pinching the ends off and having people taste it,
and I said, now blow through it. They're like, oh,
it's hollow. I said, yeah, you use it for a
straw for your bloody mary.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I don't get no respect. I don't get there.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Well, yeah, you've got a lot of uses for it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll find all kinds of things you use
it for. All right, let's talk about your herb of
the week, which happens to be Bay laurel.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah. And it's funny because, again, not an herb that
people grow very very much. It's not a mainstream herb
because it's in the form of a tree and you
can buy them in small specimens and then RePOP them
when you get them home. And the bay tree here
and where I live, in our climate, I treat as
a tender perennial. Once the weather gets fIF keen degrees consistently,
(15:01):
I'll bring her in. But you know, there's a couple
different kinds of bay. Most people buy it dry at
the store. And the true bay laurel it's called Lauris nobilis,
and that again is a true bay and that's from
the Mediterranean. And if you think about that, that plant
family a lot of people didn't know this also includes
(15:23):
cinnamon and sassafrass, those really fragrant spices. And then we
have the California bay, mister Wilson, and that is native
of course the California, but it's family comes it's in
the same family as avocados, so different family, but they
taste this pretty much the same. And by looking you
(15:43):
may not know the difference, the difference between the true
bay and the California bay. I think if you look
at it and give it a sniff, you'll know. Because
the true bay, the leaves are larger and sort of
softly rounded, pointed, and when that's dried, it has I think,
like a floral almost like eucalyptics, like flavor. And then
(16:05):
the California bay they're more pointed and skinny, like slender,
but their flavor is much stronger. So whatever you have
is just fine. But if you want the true bay,
that's what you'll look for on the label, and if
you buy it, buy them in the store, it's usually
the true bay as well. So when I mean sture,
I met nursery like the fresh bay.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Sure, and you were talking about being in a tree form,
and it's a woody plant, so you overwinter inside the
house in a really sunny area, and yes, you can't
pick a few leaves and use those over the winter
as well, but it doesn't you know, you're harvesting and
nipping it and pruning it. Really keep it more in
a bush large bush form, or you can get it
in the tree form however you like either way, so
(16:47):
either way works for you, and I know you obviously
this is the one that the reader will even admit.
Does you want to do it in a container not
in the ground, obviously, so you can bring it back
inside over the winter. But what's interesting about bay is
over the last couple of years, a lot of the
growers that supplied bay trees or bay plants around our
area and other areas as well aren't growing them anymore.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And so why is that.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Bay has become limited in availability and a lot of
different areas. Reason being is by the time you get
a rooted cutting, and they're all grown from cuttings, it
takes about two years in a greenhouse in those small
pots to get those rooted in enough that you can
sell them. So you've got two years invested in a greenhouse,
(17:34):
and a lot of greenhouses are saying I don't want
to spend the two years growing them. So you know,
it's being hard to find the availability of bay anymore,
especially in our area. And I'm hearing that from a
lot of folks say, well, you just can't find it anymore.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Isn't that funny? When when we were in Europe Italy?
I remember my friend Carol and I were in pizza
by the leaning tower and the bay trees there they
formed a wall and they were sort of scraguely looking,
but you know, that's where they're indigenous to and I
mean I couldn't hardly see the sky, but here, as
you said, they're just harder to propagate. And so yeah,
(18:15):
if you run across a bay tree, I hope you
certainly get it from the nursery. And when you pull
those leaves off too, you should just sort of yank
them down, and that way it keeps the branch and
the stem healthy and you'll get a clean break for
the leaves and you can use them pressure dry. You
don't need to use more fresh than dry in this
particular herb. But it's just a wonderful herb and one
(18:39):
that's not well known as far as growing.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Like you said, so why did they use that for
the wreaths and that for athletes? And like I was
watching the Flying Pig and they had a for the winners,
had that reef to put on your hat of bay leaves?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Oh yeah, you know This is very interesting. It's actually
mentioned in the Bible. It's such an ancient, ancient plant,
and they would their athletes and their heroes would be
crowned with bay. And that's also when people got married
back in the day, they would put some sprigs of
(19:13):
bay leaves in the bouquet for fertility. But when you
think of the name too, if you just think of
the name Lauris Nobilis and then you think of a
baccalaureate degree that you get when you go to college,
it's all come back. So see, there's always some fun
connection with herbs. But ancient Greece, it has its roots
(19:34):
and it was, as I said, used to crown and
decorate athletes and persons of distinction. So you might have
had a who knows, a crown of bay on your
head back then.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I love the story behind the history behind plants. You know,
it used to be just the plant and the benefits.
Now the more you learn about why the plant is
what it is or what it does, and like researching that,
Robert Mitcham meant, you know, my goodness, learn more about that.
Where did that? Nobody can figure out where that name
came from, but that particular name anyway, But learning more
(20:06):
about them like that, I think is always so intriguing.
And where they were using again herbs way back to
BC times.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, especially some of the most popular and
spices too. They were used in embalming and all kinds
of fun things. So lots of good information about Bay
on our site.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And if you want to talk with Rita Hikenfeld in person,
should be at Naturop's nursery islet today from ten thirty
until twelve thirty out in Mason, Ohio. Rita Hikenfeld always
a pleasure, have a great Memorial weekend.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Tell mister Hikenfeld we said the low I will and
I'll talk to you next week. Mister Wilson Rita Hikenfeld
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Bee Barbie Bletcher Here in the Garden with Ron Wilson, Green.
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Speaker 1 (22:58):
Welcome back here in the garden with Ron Will and
again that toll free number eight hundred eight two three
eight two five five talking to you yarding on this
Memorial weekend and it's time to get another update from
our queen bee. That would be are you ready, Barbe Blecher?
(23:22):
Shut down, you're kind of slow. I still can't see.
They can't see. The lights are out here in the
in the studio, so they can't see very well.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
So the sun is out not here yet.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Well yeah, I kind of see it is coming up.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yes, well the sun's out.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yell.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, we can't see very well because you can't see anyway.
Talk about Barbie Butcher. Of course, she has been working
with us for years and years and years as our
queen Bee, our b expert, keeping us updated on what
we should do to keep those bees and pollinators happy
out there, and of course Barbie. The big story this
year so far has been the loss of millions and
(24:00):
millions of honeybees, and just thought we'd get twofold today.
One is an update of what you've heard so far
to date. And then secondly, it is swarm season and
how do we handle that? So let's start out. First
of all, what have you found out so far with
a huge b loss.
Speaker 8 (24:19):
There's no news yet, but there's no more losses, so
I guess that's the good thing. So they're up to
one point six million is the official total losses. And
this is a commercial beekeepers, who usually do not lose
a lot of colonies. I mean, they still lose colonies,
(24:39):
but this is significant. This is the worst recorded loss
even since the Conic collapse occurred back in the mid nineties.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
So the news, yeah, so the news of the fact
that there was the huge b loss. But since then
it's been recovery, recurs recovery and no losses. That's at
least a good sign that it's not something that's continuing
on causing problems.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
The bad part, I mean it's all bad, But the
bad part is that the loss has occurred before the
pollination of almonds. So the very time that we need
the most almonds, the most colonies to pollinate almonds, they
didn't have them. So instead of having you're supposed to
(25:31):
have two colonies of bees per acre of almond, they
only had one colony of bees per three acres of almonds.
So and then now we're going into blueberries and apples,
our necks probably and they just don't have the bees.
So I mean, you can't we can make splits. So
(25:53):
the problem with beekeepers were our own worst enemies because
we can make splits of our colonies. So instead of
you know, starting out with ten colonies in the spring
and making splits and increasing, we'll have ten in the fall,
five of them die and we can make splits to
go back up to ten or fifteen or whatever. But
(26:16):
we don't. We're not really making increases because we lose
so many colonies every year.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
So it's just much more difficult for beekeepers to be
able to catch up and actually get ahead because it
takes really all season so season to get a colony
build up like it was in the fall, and you've
lost that pollination, you've lost your income from the pollination,
and you don't get a honey crop because it takes
(26:45):
pretty much all year for a colony to be strong
enough to bring in a lot of honey.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So we need to keep this major b loss in
mind in the future when we're looking at almonds and
the availability in price is any bee products that you know,
obviously the honey and the pollen and things like that
that are produced from the bees. If that's not available,
plus the pricing, remember again what happened and it takes
(27:14):
a while for that to recover. So are you saying like,
by the end of this year, will we have recovered
from the million be loss one point six million or
does does that happen over time?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I don't think that commercial beekeepers will ever really recover
from that, okay, because they've lost a year of income. Right,
So there are stories that you know, a beekeeper, a
commercial beekeeper took a truckload of bees down in the pollination.
By the time we got down there the cold call,
the whole truck was full of dead hives. So you know,
(27:49):
hopefully they have enough collateral that they can build back
up again. But they've lost a year of income. So
you know, some some can make up for that, and
some of them, we can't.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Wow, what a hit. Talking with Barb, we'll let your
she is our queen Bee, and she's our retired state
APRS by the way, and an entomologist as well, so
she knows her bees. Thus the name Barb b and
our queen Bee. So a lot of folks are scrambling.
So and it just take for instance, in the state
of Ohio, we wound up what did you say our
(28:24):
losses were for this year reported losses?
Speaker 8 (28:28):
We're about sixty percent loss, maybe maybe a little less
than that maybe a fifty percent loss. We're not as
bad as some of the other states. We do have
some commercial beekeepers who lost significant number of colonies.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Wow and again, and that's and of course these numbers
come from commercial producers, so that because you're actually able
to see your hives and count them and et cetera,
et cetera. So that's where these numbers come from. So again,
our normal loss, if refreshed my memory, thirty percent.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Yeah, ideally, you know, back back before we had all
these past before we had the vermite and all that,
we had, a ten percent loss was was normal. Then
it went up to about a thirty percent loss. We
can probably tolerate even a forty percent loss, but when
(29:24):
it gets up to fifty sixty percent, you know, we're
going backwards. So we're not we're not able to keep
up and grow. We all we're doing is making up
for losses.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Did you buy chance? You were the reply I saw
the report last week. A gentleman I guess it was
in Texas, was stung to death by he's it was
a bee keeper. Of course, I got two or three
emails about you know, is ask Barbie, is that you know,
is that possibly that's going to happen, you know, here
in Ohio. And I guess from what I was under
(29:56):
that that they weren't regular bees, right.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Well, these stories get so exaggerated. We had a case
a couple of years ago where a kid climbed a
tree and he cut off a limb that was full
of bees and he was really badly stung. And they said, well,
they're Africanized bees, and they weren't. He just he tied
himself to the tree so he couldn't fall, you know,
(30:23):
get away, and he had all those bees that he
just cut their limb off. So I think, I think
it might be something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And you don't want to mess with a bee, right,
I mean, you know, I'm joking when I say that.
But they're they're they're they're protecting their home, their their hives.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah, And I didn't find out what the real story was.
I was gonna contact the state apurist, and I don't know,
time got away from me. But I think there's more
to the story than what we what we read, because
it just doesn't it doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, And that's that's why I was That's why I
wouldn't bring it because it usually it's there's there's two sides,
and there's or more to the story. But that always gets,
you know, folks get into a panic. Because after we
take a break here we're going to talk about swarming
bees which can really put folks into a panic and
why they should not and what they should do and
what about do you if you see that bee flying
(31:17):
in the side of your foundation of your home, should
you be concerned about that as well? Well, Barb Bletcher
has all of our answers after the break here in
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Speaker 1 (33:33):
Welcome back. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson's special
guests this morning. Barb Let your are Queen Bee talking
about the big b loss from the spring and fortunately
it hasn't continued on so that's a good thing. Whatever
it was just happened over the winter.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
They need to find out so that it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Can happen again, absolutely, but do keep that in mind
when you can't find as many almonds out there that
you're looking for, prices go up, or maybe even honey
products in the area, because that's a that is a
major hit both for.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Crop production toberries. They're all going to go up in.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Price, right, crop production, all the bee products, and also
do keep that in mind. It just shows you how
important they are to what we do our daily lives.
And that's why it's so important even more so now
for all of us to be e more friendly and
pollinator polite in our gardens as well. So you're looking
out in your yard and all of a sudden a
(34:32):
swarm shows up in your tree, and you just saw
the story on the news from Texas and now you're
scared to death. Or maybe you're sitting at the patio
and you see an occasional honeybee go in the wall
of your house and back out again. Should you panic,
Barbie Butcher.
Speaker 8 (34:51):
Don't panic now, do not panic. So if you see
a swarm move into a tree or hopefully not the
site of your house, as soon as they move in,
or preferably before, call a beekeeper and they will gladly
try to get them out. The sooner the better because
once bees have set up housekeeping you know, and they
(35:14):
are making honey. It's going to be very difficult to
get them out. But when you see those first couple
handfuls of bees, they're exploring a hole. Patch up that hole.
Don't think, well, I'll get to that. Do go out
that minute and patch up that hole. Because those are
what we call scout bees. And so when the colony,
(35:36):
you know, honeybee colonies swarm in the spring. That's a
natural thing that they do to reproduce, just like ants
will swarm in the spring. So they're swarming in the spring.
Basically their house is full and they need to find
a new colony in split. So the old queen is
going to leave with some of her loyal workers and
(35:58):
start a new house somewhere. But before that happens, there
are scalp bees that are looking around trying to find
that new home. So it may be in the grill
of an old car, it could be in the wall
of a building, but they have they're gonna check it
out first. They're check it out and see how big
the hole is, if it's a good size, and smell
(36:19):
and all that. Those first bees they go back to
the colony, they tell their sisters and say, come on,
you got to check this out. Then more bees come,
and so there's kind of like a contest going on
in the colony where the different scalp bees all checking
out different places and saying this is the best place,
this is the best place. So the scalp bees that
(36:42):
have the best story, they're the best sales bees. They're
the ones that kind of win that contest. So then
all that that whole swarm will follow those scalp bees
because they don't even know where it is. It's just
that first handful of scout bees that know where they're going.
So they all follow those up to that new hole.
So if you see bees flying around, check it out
(37:05):
a hole, plug it up, because that may be a
future home for those bees.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
All right, so it's twofold here. First of all, they
go back and tell the story. How are they telling
the story?
Speaker 8 (37:18):
They do a waggle dance.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
That's the waggle dance.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yes, they get all excited, buzz around and tell them
what direction it is compared to the direction of the sun.
And yeah, they do a waggle dance and tell them
where where that place is.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So if you're playing charades, you want a honeybee as
your partner.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
That would definitely be a honey bee and a partner.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I bet you're really good at charades. Yep, Yeah, yeah,
I can. I can imagine, seriously, I bet you can.
So they so they do the waggle dance and everybody agrees, uh,
and they say, okay, so we follow them and we
go there and that's what we make our new nest.
Now what now? And that's if I'm seeing this happening
(38:00):
right now, how do I know there isn't already a nest,
that they were there over the winter and that I
didn't notice it. I mean, is there a point where
I don't plug up that hole because now there's a
chance there could be a nest inside, Because once you
get that nest in the wall, that's bad news.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
That's a great that's one hundred thousand dollars question. That's
a great questioning. The best way to tell is just
the activity. If you had bees coming in and going,
especially if they're bringing in pollen, you have an established
colony because they're only going to be bringing in pollen
if they have children's feed. So if they're bringing in
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pollen on their little curdiculous their little hind legs. You've
got an established colony.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
So now I've got to get a need to get
a little more serious as far as watching them just
to see what and they're not going to hurt you, don't,
don't worry about don't worry about that. Just stand back
and observe. If you've got a really good cell phone,
like Nina Bagley diesel Pets, some of the pictures she sends,
sometimes I can't. I mean, I could count the amount
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of pollen that's on the legs of some of her bees.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
You can count the hairs on their low firm path.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's unbelievable. That's one of the best cell phone cameras
I've ever seen. But anyway, um, so you know, watch
and if they're actually bringing pollen in, that's a different story. Now.
If they're just going in, checking it out, coming back out, yeah,
then you've got time to plug that up. But if
they're not, then you probably have a problem. And if
you do suspect that that is the issue, I need
(39:37):
to get a hold of a beekeeper. Correct.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah. Now, if they're in a tree, keep in mind
that the only way to get them out of that
tree is to cut the tree down. So if they're
up high, you know, twelve twenty feet up, just leave
them alone. They're not gonna hurt anybody. They can live
up there in harmony with nature and they're not going
to bother anybody.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yes, those you just let them do their thing.
Speaker 8 (40:03):
Yeah, in a house, we can take boards off and
potentially get them out, especially if they just moved in.
But a tree, we can't do that. We would have
to cut the tree down.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
You know, I told you, and I think I sent
you the emails too of the young lady who was
listening to our show two years ago and had the
bees in the wall, and she went to the I
think it was Central Ohio beekeepers and they recommended her
to the beekeeper who was also a construction guy. Did
the handyman. He was able to take the drywall out,
(40:36):
extract the hive, clean it all out, and then put
the drywall back and paint it over like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Yeah, we use a bee back. It's a special vacuum
cleaner that sucks up the bees. But then you have
to cut all that comb out because they've got you know,
you can have a whole foundation, a whole wall of honeycomb.
And if you don't, if you decide to plug up
that hole and not take the bees out, all that
(41:02):
wax is gonna melt, and the honey's gonna melt, and
you're gonna have honey soaked walls, and then you'll have
ants and everybody else that loves honey. So if it's
in your home or a building, you do not want
to just plug up the hole and hope they go away,
because then you have a bigger problem.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So catch that if you if you suspect you have
them in the wall, somebody else needs to take care
of it. Because if you plug that up and that
just stays there. Although honey lasts forever, right.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
Sort of, it does, but it gets hot without the bees, right, and.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So now it's not you keep it and you've got
that wax. Not a good thing. So again, be patient,
as Barbara saying, they're not gonna bother you just watch,
observe and you know, don't panic. They're not the swarms
that are gonna come after you like in the news
and all of that. Uh, and then make a decision
what needs to be done. But if you can catch
it early, you save yourself a lot of money, and
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you save the bees as well.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
And one last thing, if you use any kind of
insectus side, just plug up the hole and don't call
beekeeper because it will contamulate our beekeeping equipment. And then
you have other bees that will come in there and
take that insecticide back to their nest, So don't use
it insecticide. But if you do, just plug up the hole.
(42:17):
You'll still have to have somebody come and cut all
that stuff out, But don't take a chance in killing
other people's hives.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
To good, good point, Can I ask you a question
about carpenter bees?
Speaker 5 (42:28):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, does the does the queen? You know, obviously the
queen has to or the female has to overwinter somewhere.
The males don't overwinter, right, they die the.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Poor man always have they always They're useless besides mating.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
And then that's it. Yeah, buzzing around your face a
few times and then taking up space. So the queen
does she would she actually over win her in that hole?
Or does she go somewhere else and and.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Find it so the new the new queens will overwinter
in those holes. The old queen's unfortunately won't make it usually.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
So they'll stay in the holes that they so they'll
stay in that hole they drilled in your deck over
the winter and then come out. So that's what I'm
seeing come out in very early spring.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
Yeah, So you could plug those up with some brillow
steel wall and some cocking compound and they'll stay in
hopefully stay in the hole and die, but sometimes they'll
dig another.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Way out liquid nail. I think that's still one of
the best ways to put structure back in the wood
and seals it up at the same time. Barbie Bletcher,
always a pleasure, great information. We'll get back with you
next month. See we've got any more updates and more
b ee information. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Ron.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
All right, take care, Barb. But let your our queen Bee.
And there you go. Another reason why we need to
just really double triple down and do as much as
we can to take care of those bees and those pollinators.
Eight hundred eight two three eight two five to five.
That's number here in the garden with Ron Wilson.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
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