Ron Wilson 6/14/2025 Hour 3

Your calls, questions and tips with Ron!  Also THE Buggy Joe Boggs!!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Our toll free number. Eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning, Happy Father's Day weekend. I
am Ron Wilson, your personal yard boy. We are talking
yardening you and me this weekend. No guests. We got
Buggy Joe Boggs coming up to the bottom of the hour.
But otherwise we've left today open for you and me
to talk, share tips and stories and whatever it may be.
And I had a couple of goodmens so far, so

(01:00):
you know if you'd like to share in with us again.
Eight hundred eight two three eight two five five Before
we took the break, talking about the moisture in the
ground this year, we've seen last couple of weeks a
lot increase in emails about roly Polly's, those old pill bugs.
You see those down there. A lot debris eaters. Yeah,
they'll eat some small seedlings, get into fruit and vegetables occasionally,

(01:24):
that type of thing. For the most part, they're they're
a debris eater. And then of course slugs and lots
of slugs dam and the slug dam is going on
right now big time because of the moisture. They love it.
Populations of course would explode with all this great moisture,
and there are many ways to try to get them
under control, of which you wind up doing all of
the above to get them under control. I mean, that's

(01:45):
usually one of the best ways to do it. And
I've got a tip sheet on that. If you ever
want the tip sheet on slug control, email me Ron
Wilson at iHeartMedia dot com and I will send that
back to you. But anyway, one of the methods that
I still think that gets good results is the old
beer in the pipe pan. You take a tunic can
it's empty, or any can like that that's similar to that,

(02:06):
put it down and nestle it in around your plants
and put beer in it. And they're attracted to this
the yeast and the beer is what it is. They
fall it in. Of course they drown, and I think
it was Colorado State, if I'm not mistaken. This happened
many many years ago. But they did a research on
what was the best beer for attracting slugs and snails

(02:29):
to the traps. And by the way, you can buy
some of those slug traps that are for using beer.
But anyway, did you guess during the break what the
best beer was a lot of folks would say Budweiser,
bud Light Miller, or whatever it may be. It's the
non alcoholic imported beers, non alcoholic imported beers, little high.

(02:51):
I'm assuming the reason being is higher in brewers yeast,
and I'm assuming that's what it is anyway, and you
get better that way. But they'll all work, but those
are the ones that typically do a little bit better
for you. But it is effective and it does work.
And I'll tell you where I've also had some pretty
good success taking a melon rind, like you cut a

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melon in half and clean it out and just have
the rind there, or grapefruit half, you know, out the grapefruit,
and then turn them upside down so they're you know,
like a dome, and nestle those in and they'll go
up inside those and in the morning you pick those
things up and just throw them away and you get
a whole bunch of them inside that as well. Point
being is with all of the moisture, we are seeing

(03:33):
a lot of slug infestations out there right now, slug damage,
and usually using all of these methods is a great
way to reduce their populations and reduce the damages that
are out there right now, but it's you know, we've
had good moisture in the ground and that's why they
are so prevalent right now. Roly polis and slugs and snails.

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And again that's the slugs that are doing the most
of the damage that you're seeing out there right now
with those big holes in the leaves, unless it's, of
course you're roses, and of course that would be rose slugs.
And we'll talk about that at another time because we're
going to go to Boone County and talk to Rick Rick.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Good morning, Good morning, Ron. How are you today, Rick?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I am outstanding. How about yourself?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, I'm going to follow your suit today. That's a
good way to go, all right, Okay, I appreciate you
taking the call. I have a simple question.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think sure.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
For the last five or six years, my wife and
I have put a zenia bed in on the back
of our house. Full Sun is done excellent. This year
we wanted to change it out and it's about a
five x ten area, but we did not use prem
and we put all of these perennials in and all
those zinnias are germinating. Is there anything that I on

(04:52):
the market that I can put down now or do
I have to take some other extraordinary measure.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Unfortunately, you know the yeah, that's that's again well twofold
here one is the zenias are outstanding and uh you
know their great plant and they do that just shows
that they can reseeds. So folks are listening. Many of
the Zenny varieties will throw those seeds down and come
back up for the next year. In this case, using

(05:20):
the pre emerged herviside typically stops seeds from germinating or
from from growing basically, but you did not put any down,
Is that what you said? Yeah, so now what he's
getting is all the Zenia seeds starting to pop up
that would have come up you know, normal normally. So unfortunately,

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you know, there's nothing else. You can't spray anything because
that would that would kill the zenias, that wouldn't kill
the perennials as well. So now you're looking at going
through in a hand picking if the perennials are far
enough apart that you could actually cover them over with
like a milk jug, if they're small enough for that

(06:03):
right now, to put over top of them, and then
go through and very carefully spray with a non selective
vegetation killer, you could do that. And if you want
to use the all natural ones that are just a
folier kill, that would take care of those, you know,
the that are made out of fatty asses of soap
or whatever, that would work real well. Or you can

(06:26):
get involved with the kills all you know those types
of products also, but cover over the perennials so you
don't get any to drift on them, and you just
go through, stay low and stay right on top of
the other ones. Go through and do a nice low,
no windy day spray that would take them out. Wouldn't
take much. And like I say, those vegetation killers that

(06:47):
are all natural that are out there on the market,
they're mostly just folier kill. Doesn't spread through the soil
or anything. Neither does the kills all but it's you know,
it's all natural if that's the way you want to go.
But that's a possibility for you. And just cover them over,
let everything settle down, and take cover off and you're
good to go.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Okay, great idea, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
All right, And that's I think that's a great story too.
It just shows how how well Zennius can receive themselves.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, they're outstanding. There's not a lot of work to
do with them.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, it's it's a good one, There's no doubt about it.
So appreciate the call. Who we got up next, Ann
Brenda and Cincinnati, Good morning, Good morning, Ron.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yes, I would like to ask you a question. I
had a soil test conducted for my lawn and the
results came back that I had very low phosphorus. Phosphorus okay,
and I used weed and feed in the spring, and
now I would like to treat the lawn. What would

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be the recommended ratio to add the phosphorus to my lawn.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
You know, if you look at a lot of the fertilizers,
even the weak killers that are on the weed and
feeds that are on the market today, that middle number
that phosphorus is usually at zero or very low because
in most cases the phosphorus isn't needed in the soil.
So it's it does happen where you know, you run out,
you've got to add to it. So if you go

(08:25):
to and the problem is you go to your local
garden center, which you're going to be limited to what
they have available there, right, and it's just general numbers.
You know, you can get involved with general garden foods
like a fertilizers like ten ten ten. You can get
involved with starter fertilizers, which are usually a little higher
in nitrogen, but they also have a pretty good number

(08:47):
in phosphorus, which is very important in that seed starting process.
The problem is, you don't really want to feed the
lawn much this time of the year as far as
the nitrate, and you can give it a little bit,
but you don't want to hit it too hard with
nitrogen as we're going into the summer season, so you
got to be a little cautious about that. You could

(09:08):
also look to just and you could you could see
what the garden center would have, but again, try to
keep that nitrogen as low as you can. And again
you're going to be in their hands to see what
they've got available for you. Or you might just ride
this thing out until we get to September and then
you can actually use a starter fertilizer which is higher

(09:30):
and phosphorus and do that for your two fall feedings
and bring the and bring that phosphus help to bring
that back up again. I mean, you're only talking July
and August and we're into September, which is that first,
that first feeding, and that would work for you too.
I just want to caution you about using buying something
that has a high nitrogen. You don't want that to

(09:51):
happen going into the summer season, right.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Right, Okay, I didn't know the timing of it, and
so yeah, I definitely want it because it's poor soil.
It's established soil that it was used to be old
farm land, you know, and that it's developed that we've
lived here about thirty years. But this one section that
I have, it's just that I've had trees, evergreen trees

(10:16):
that just haven't performed there. And so then I sent
and had a soil test, which is a wonderful thing. Yes,
and now I need to react upon the results of that, yep.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So yeah, I mean check with your local garden center
see what they would have, or even the farm store
and see what they would have that will be higher
in phosphorus. Some of the blooming the fertilizers that are
labeled for high bloomers, those are usually low nitrogen, high phosphorus.
I think even like Miracle Grow has those. I think

(10:49):
a spoma may have one too, but usually your bloom
boosters are higher in that phosphorus and lower in nitrogen
and okay on the pot ash. So you can check
the bloom booters a lot of times there that way.
But again, you could do it now or you just
hold off and do it in September as we're getting
into the fall season. I just just be cautious about

(11:09):
the high nitrogen this time of the year.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Okay, So like if I normally do a winter riser,
I should what should be the time frame you know
between the two?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, and that gets confusing because they were right on
their winter riser fall feeding, you know whatever. We're going
to use the same fertilizer both times. We're going to
do it in September, anytime through September early October is
the first one, and the second one's going to be
usually sometime mid November as the lawns kind of we

(11:42):
just look at the lawn and say, well, almost pretty
much stop growing. That's at second application is going to happen.
Those are the two apps for the fall, and so
that's what you're looking for, and you basically would be
using the same thing both times.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Oh well that's easy, psy Okay, all right, well, okay,
thank you so very much.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
And you're welcome guide.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I appreciate the call. Pasure you listen to the show,
take care, quick break, we come back. Guess what phone
line you're still open for you eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five coming up to the bottom
of the hour, Buggy Joe Boggs. But until then, it's
you and me here in the garden with Ron Wilson.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
How is your garden growing?

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Speaker 1 (15:33):
Talking your yardening at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Good morning. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy on his Father's Day weekend. Coming up
to the bottom of the hour Buggy Joe Boggs. But
in between, uh, it's you and me talking you yard ning.
Gott a tip. You want to share an experience, plant
that's done well for you, or have a question, give
us a call at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five to Kentucky we go Fay, Good morning.

Speaker 8 (15:57):
Good morning, Hi, Hi, How are you?

Speaker 1 (16:01):
I am outstanding? How about you?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm good? I have a success for me for you excellent.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
That's all we'd like to hear.

Speaker 8 (16:11):
Yeah, a few years ago you've talked about cat mint
and I found a couple of plants at the local
nursery and put them in front of my house and
the bees loved them. Do you do, they're all over
Do you.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Remember which one you had at that time? Was it
Walker's Low?

Speaker 8 (16:32):
I couldn't. He can't Walker's Love? He had something else.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, there's it. Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
It's been such a success. They just they're just all
over it.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
The thing about those and you can't You're right, you
can't talk about them enough. Walker's Low was one of
the first one that came out of the market and
it was a perennial of the year and the whole
nine yards. And it's a nice one because it gets
gets some size to it. But now they've got so
many different ones, a little bit of shades of different colors,
some of that stay really small. Cat's pajamas. I mean,
you've had a lot of fun with this. But it's

(17:07):
it's and if you didn't catch it, it's cat mint,
not cat nip, and it's Nepita is the genus. You'll
go to your local garden centers or local nurseries and
you'll find typically two or three or four or five
different types of them there. And like face said, when
these things come in to bloom, the bees and the
pollinators are all over them. I mean, it's just talk

(17:30):
about Denner in a show. They're a buzz and all
over those things. And and do you do you wind
up dead heading in a little bit fast as we
get into the summer.

Speaker 8 (17:39):
About July. I cut them back, yep, and the bees
are kind of lost there for a while.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Ye again, doesn't take very long, does it.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
No, it doesn't, I'll them.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah. So you shear them back and then they start
to flower against You get two really good shots and
it carries you late into the season. It's a great show.
And you talk about a magnet for pollinators. Those cat
mints are absolutely unbelievable.

Speaker 8 (18:07):
Yes, yes they are. I just wanted to share that
with you because it's been so successful.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Good for you, and you don't have to do anything
to them besides you know, sharing them once during the
summer the deadhead. Otherwise, they pretty much take care of themselves.
That's right, Yes, excellent story, Fay. I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
All right, all right, take care, Hey.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Thank you appreciate you listening to the show as well.
Cat Mint not catnip, cat and all the cat nips
interesting to grow as well, but cat mint nepadah and
several selections. Walker's Low was probably the first one that
was really recognized on the market them as many years
ago and used a lot in mass plantings, used like
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(18:50):
traffic because they're tough and durab when they take the
drought and they start flowing early. I look at look
at fast food restaurants like you know, the McDonald's, to
do a lot of landscaping. You'll always see cat mint
in those plantings. That low purple plant that's mounded, that's
growing in there. That's what those are. And again many
different types, different shades of the purple, different sizes, the

(19:14):
way they grow, but absolutely outstanding from the beginning of
the season to the end. They will require you to
deadhead one time, and you know, you could do it
a couple of ways, and Faye was right. These are
just way to do is to shear them off and
let it regrow again and there's a gap there of
a few weeks until they start the reflour. You could
also go through and kind of just be dead heading

(19:36):
by hand and leave some of them on there. To
make it last a little longer if you wanted to,
I like to just shear it off and bring it
back and have other plants available for the bees and
the pollinators in between that. But that is I'm glad
you called FABE because that is outstanding. And Juda's Perennial
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Many many many years ago, Perennial Plant Association designated Junea's
Perennial Gardening Month for several reason. One to get the
attention of perennials. Uh, because I remember way back in
when it was all annuals and the only perennials that
were out there for you to buy were like day
lilies and hostas and uh, some black eyed Susans and
you know that type of thing, and that was about it. Today,

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the perennial selection is phenomenal, and right now is when
there a lot of them are really coming into show
and they look good, and your garden centers are full
of perennials that could be planted all the way through
the summer season and a lot of them in there
in bloomy You get to see what they look like
and you get to see some of the pollinators that
are on them right there in the garden centers. So
get out to your lookal independent garden centers. Check out

(20:41):
all the great perennials they got for you. Uh to
plan your garden coming up next, Buggy Joe Boggs. Here
in the garden with Ron Wilson.

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Com talking to Yardning at eight hundred eight two three

(23:03):
eight two five five. Welcome back. I am Ron Wilson,
your personal yard boy. Don't forget our website, Ron Wilson
online dot com, Facebook page in the garden with Ron Wilson,
and as I promised, it is time for the Buggy
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(23:23):
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mister Buggy Joe Boggs.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, I'm just not worthy. I've just decided that.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
All right, fine, all this time, fine, this time here,
I'm just here. I'm ripping it. I'm ripping it all
up right.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Now, there you go. I mean, it's just just I
just think you just just in the interduction. If I
got some guy on the phone, how does that sound?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Some guy got this dude on the phone? How you feeling,
my man?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I'll tell you I'm coming around. I feel a whole
lot better. Boy. I'll tell you though, when you're out
of the loop at this time of the year, you
miss a lot in a day, isn't that. I mean,
they just don't blink, exactly, don't blink if things are
really moving along. I went, I went down to get
the mail the other day, and I looked at our
our roses, which I'm not sure what to call them. Ron.

(24:33):
I mean, this is something that that I I may
need some help, some professional help with and exactly how
do we refer to different roses these days? But any rate,
So my roses that look a lot like shrubs, but
I bought them as knockouts, okay, And I look closely
and I could see my gosh, there are window panes

(24:55):
on my leaves, and and oh my gosh, there's you know,
the leaves on top of kind of like there's yellow speckles.
And I flipped the leaf over and all there's all
this yellow, orangeish yellow powdery stuff coming off that really
so so I did what you know, any good gardener,

(25:15):
you know, should do, is I I ran back in
the house.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
You know what sounds what sounded funny? You walked, You
walked out to get the mail. It sounds like you
went down the lane, down the gravel lane, about a
quarter of a mile across the creek in the bridge,
got out to the mailbox.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's uphill both ways, dude, it's uphill, but barefoot.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
So you got so you got some rust on your
knockout Rose.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
I got some rust, and you know, I I went
back and looked, and I'm gonna do an alert this
weekend sometime because interestingly enough, last year, at almost well
actually it was June the tenth last year, I posted
a big old alert titled Rusty Holy Rosewoes and so

(26:04):
at just virtually this time last year, we were talking
about you know, Rose slug softlies. I thought I better
put the sftly thing in there, because even though we
just call them rose slugs, were you know, they're not slugs,
but I don't want people to think that. But but
then we also reported about this this rust, which you know,

(26:25):
Ron I did not, I did not you know, come
to horticulture or doing what we do being aware of
rust on rose. Other than it being an oddity, I
mean you kind of occasionally you'd invite people over, you know,
say hey, I've got something really kind of interesting here.
The rosarians, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
They can buy those Can I buy those rose infected leaves?
Rust infected leaves?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Oh my gosh, yeah, it was, it was. It was
really unusual. But last year, you know, we started picking
it up pretty heavily. As you recall, there were something
that if.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
You recall, I actually had taken some pictures and emailed
you in the early June last year. Uh yeah, with
the rust because I had you know, that's one of
those things you just rarely saw on roses. I mean
they were down then, and you know they got rust
on there, but he rarely saw that just never happened.
And all of a sudden, there that was, and I
was kind of like, wow, Joe when's the last time

(27:26):
he saw this on roses? And I've seen that a
whole lot more. Yeah, last year and again this year already,
same way, getting emails with pictures showing rust on the
and not just knockout roses, but on roses in general.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, you just you just happen to

(27:46):
have knockouts and and but then he gets on all
you know, I don't know if it's all, but most roses.
Same way with the with the sawfly, the the roast slug,
same way. I mean, they're not isolated just to one Uham.
When you get both of them together, that does a nice
job on them.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
It's well, it's interesting. Now, this is something that we've
been talking about Rose slug soft life since I since
I started extension. It could very well have been one
of the very first tests that I talked about in
with extension. I mean, just because of what I did
for a living before we had roses and we had

(28:28):
these insects. So if I say just rose slug soft lie,
just so you know, just that's the name, then then
listeners should be thinking, all right, that's a springtime problem.
Don't worry about it because it has one generation so
in the spring that come out. Remember on we would
you know, much ado about nothing. We would talk about

(28:48):
it that way. And it's true, you because the roses
would grow out of the problem early. You know, you
get you get this one generation, you'd get these these
window panes, because if you flip the leaves over early enough,
you will find a little not so much slug like
I kind of wish it wasn't called that because there no,

(29:13):
they don't really I don't know where that came from,
but they do look like they really look like little
tiny caterpillars, maybe more because they have a black head capsule,
green body, very small, and they feed by removing the
lower epidermis and the middle of the leaf and they
leave the upper epidermis the upper layer of the leaf,

(29:36):
and eventually that then becomes something that looks like a
window pane. You know, it looks like you're looking through
kind of frosted glass. And after a bit that frosted
glass area drops out. Now you have a hole. So
with rose slug salfly, it was an oddity more than

(29:58):
anything else. If you remember that, I mean, it's like,
oh yeah, don't worry about And then then I remember
I remember very clearly it was probably phone calls because
I don't think email had been invented, but at that tide,
so I got a phone call and I'm talking to,
you know, a rosarian or a prot well person just

(30:19):
I don't know if if I don't recall she was
really a rosarian but had roses, and she was describing
this everything that I just described with a little caterpillar
like insects, except it was way up in July, and
I remember very clearly thinking there's this this is you know,
there's a mistake here. You know, it's one of those

(30:40):
things that no, this, this can't be. And as it
turns out, what was happening then was that we started
picking up this different type of rose softly let's just
call it, and it's called the bristly rose slug softly,
and that one has multiple generations. In fact that the

(31:02):
generations just kind of continue throughout the season, so you
keep seeing the same damage. But if you remember, it
was like something has gone wrong here, you know, we
must have a mutation. Well what is on what's on
my roses this year and what was on last year?
Believing just the straight rose slug or sometimes it's called

(31:25):
the European Roads Slug one generation. I can find nothing
right now except for the damage and the rust is
on there, but it's pretty much relegated towards the You
can already see the plants are growing out of it.
They're already starting to look good. So it does, it does.

(31:45):
It's important, and why we're talking about it at length
is that you don't need to you know, we want
listeners to pay attention. And you're right, all roses except
maybe uh Regosa, you know, Regosa is just those are
strange roses, right. They don't get anything that I'm aware
of there. It's kind of yeah, they're tough. They're tough. Yeah,

(32:09):
and I always thought Rogosa just sounded rough, you know.
But anyway, so my you know, my shrub roses, which
you know, I do want to get back to this
because I spent a long time yesterday trying to figure
out how to refer to these roses. But the bottom
line is this, if you're seeing heavy, if you're still,

(32:32):
if you're looking and you're seeing rose slug damage the
holes and the leaves, and it's more towards the center
of the plant, and there's a lot of new growth
that's already starting to cover it. Then that's probably just
one time. It's probably not going to happen again. But
if you're seeing, you know, holes developing up on new leaves, well,

(32:53):
then you might have a problem there. That may be
the bristly rose slug suffly And if you look at it,
you know, with a magnifying glass, and then you'll see
it it is covered in little bristles. The rust is
a different matter though, because that's already you know, the
affections have already occurred, and it means that you'll probably
lose all those inner leaves that are infected. But eventually,

(33:16):
though the plant does kind of grow out of it,
doesn't that, I mean, eventually it does.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
It does. Yeah, let's take a break, we come back,
we'll talk more about the rust on the shrub roses
or landscape shrub roses. You hit it right on the head,
and maybe they call that rose slug because the damage
looked like a slug had been eating and maybe that's
the reason. I don't know. We'll contemplate that as well.
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Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson. Time
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Speaker 2 (36:07):
Buggy Joe, you know, I think I think I learned
something new today. I think I think you're exactly well.
I had actually never heard or read, and it makes
perfectly good sense that that damage, when it looks like
a window pane damage, does look like it does look

(36:29):
like slug damage. The holes look like slug damage. And
I've actually never heard someone say, well that maybe that's
why they're called road slugs. I was a first. I
never heard you are. You're the first. You you disturbed
my ignorance, and in a very positive way. That's that's good.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Thank you, Thank you, ladies and Joe, thank you so much.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
It does make very good sense because they don't look
anything like slugs. But the reason why I accepted, you know,
the slug name, is because we do have quite a
few for these sawflies and probably should have said this.
Sawflies are not flies. Obviously there flies would never do
something like that as maggots, but they're there. They are

(37:18):
related to wasps, and they really, the adult actually don't
look much like wasps. The adults have a very thick waist.
Now they just let themselves go right ron, Yeah, anything
about that. And and so that's where the fly comes in,
because the adults have a have a fly like body.

(37:39):
The saw comes in because their egg laying device, the ovipositor,
looks like a saw and they literally use it like
a sal to saw in slits in which they lay
their eggs and usually it's in leaves, sometimes in stems.
But that's where the saw fly name comes from. But
the slug part, there's for example, you know of oak

(38:03):
slug sawfly actually two different species, uh, but I'm just
gonna in general just say oak slug swfly. And they
really do look like little slugs. They're shiny, they cover themselves, well,
they actually cover themselves in their extrement, but we won't
go too far there. But they're covered in a slimy material.

(38:25):
Then that allows them to stick to the leaf and
they do. They do resemble slugs, you know, with being
kind of you know, covered with a mucous like material.
So that's where you know, rose slug kind of made sense,
didn't it. You know, it's like all right there. You know, however,
like I said before, they really don't look anything at

(38:49):
all like a slug. So I are like, yeah, like
a slug, but the damage I like that you're in the.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Diplomatic I think at the waist is set of stages.
They're fat, well yeah, well they're kind of thick at
the waist.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
They're a little thickened at the waist. Yes, that's hey, Joe.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
By the way, backing up real quick to the rust
on those roses for folks that have seen that on there. Again,
there's nothing you can do at that stage besides pick
the leaves off, probably one of the best things to do.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's a tough one because presumably,
and I say it that way because I did some
heavy digging last year to find out, all right, are
there some specific uh you know, suppression recommendations, you know,
timing for funge of side for example, with certain funge

(39:48):
of sides work and so on and so forth, And
really at that time I couldn't find anything, and I
looked again just I didn't look as heavy so far, because,
like I said, I just kind of of saw this yesterday.
But if you were, if you really, if you have
roses that are really consistently getting hammered by rust, which

(40:11):
which once again Ron ten years ago, you and I
have just been kind of laughing about it and not
really laughing, but you know what I'm saying to be like,
well that you know, that's just let me see. You know,
we would really be you know, inviting people over to
see this because it's so rare, but it's becoming less rare.
And I'm presuming then maybe with the fungicidal applications, for example,

(40:35):
on hybrid teas, I really do like hybrid t roses.
There may be some groans out there, but you know,
you really do have some beautiful roses and fantastic scent,
and you know, they are the roses that you bring
inside because they typically have long, straight stems, but they're
finicky roses. I mean, I think I think it should

(40:57):
be hybrid finicky t roads. And having managed a pretty
high end rose garden at one time, I can say
that firsthand, and we really had in order to have
you know, nice looking roses in the rose garden. We
had to be on it like growing apples, you know,
we had to be on something of a scheduled fungicide rotation.

(41:22):
And that probably, you know, is why, maybe why the
rust was not as common, because people did used to
I mean, let's face it, people, you know, we did
used to spray hybrid he roses pretty consistently for all
diseases like black spot.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah. You go to a rosarian's house back then, and
they would have a bottle of fungicide and insecticide on
every corner of the bed.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, I'm serious to pick up and go.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
That's exactly right, Yeah, exactly. But you know, then then
and I and I love this. I mean, I think
the whole rose story, I think from knockouts, which I
didn't realize that was. I did a little digging because
I wasn't sure. I like what you said as a matter,
when you call them landscape roses. I finally settled on that.

(42:11):
You know, when I get this big alert out, I'm
gonna call them not just shrub roses, because as it
turns out, I didn't know this that there's you know,
if you look at how to refer to all these
different roses there are a lot of different names, and
it almost seems like nobody completely agrees. So, you know,

(42:31):
I kind of see it being well, you have climbers,
which they're very different, you know, climbing roses. You have
creepers that kind of go along the ground, right, and
then you have you know, the landscape shrub like roses. Right.
Then you have hybrid tees, the finicky rose, flor.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Flor florass.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Oh my gosh, you have as Oh so you have
more miniatures. Just keep on going, you just keep on going.
But you know, way way back when we didn't have
all these I mean, there were a lot more in Europe,

(43:18):
that's true. There are a lot more in some of
the gardens. But now we have so many, and the
breeders are continuing to improve roses. That's the main point
I was trying to make. Oh yeah, so all these
things we talk about, I'm trying to say, well, no,
don't not plant roses, just you know, look for those
the are more disease resistant.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
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