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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Talking to Yardning at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Welcome back. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy. Don't forget our website, run Wilson online
dot com facebook page in the garden with Ron Wilson,
And as I promised, it is time for the Buggy
Joe Boggs Report, starring Joe Boggs. You all know Joe.
He's an Assistant Professor Commercial Order Culture Educator for the
(00:24):
Ohio State University Extension OSHU Department of Entomology. He's the
poster boy for OSU Extension. Their website b y g
L dot O s U dot e edu. Write it down,
b y g L dot O s U dot ed U,
Ladies and gentlemen, mister Buggy Joe Boggs.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, I'm just not worthy. I've just decided that.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
All right, fine, all this fine, this here, just here,
I'm ripping it. I'm ripping it all up right now.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I mean it's just I just think you just just
the interductionally, if you got some guy on the phone,
how does that sound?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Some guy got this dude on the phone.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How you feeling?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
My man?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'll tell you I'm coming around.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I feel a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Boy, I'll tell you though, when you're out of the
loop at this time of the year, you miss a
lot in a day, isn't that. I mean, they just
don't blink exactly, don't blink if things are really moving along.
I went, I went down to get the mail the
other day, and I looked at our our roses, which
I'm not sure what to call them. Ron. I mean,
this is something that that I I may need some help,
(01:38):
some professional help with and exactly how do we refer
to different roses these days? But any rate, So my
roses that look a lot like shrubs, but I bought
them as knockouts, okay, And I look closely and I
could see, my gosh, there are window panes on my leaves,
and and oh my gosh, there's you know, the leaves
(02:00):
on top of kind of like there's yellow speckles. And
I flipped the leaf over and all there's all this
yellow orangish yellow powdery stuff coming off that really so
so I did what you know, any good gardener you know,
should do, is I I ran back in the house.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know what sounds what sounded funny? You walked you
walked out to get the mail. It sounds like you
went down the lane, down the gravel lane, about a
quarter of a mile across the creek in the bridge,
got out to the mailbox.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It's uphill both ways, it's but barefoot.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So you got so you got some rust on your
knockout Rose.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I got some rust, and you know, I I went
back and looked, I'm gonna do an alert this weekend
sometime because interestingly enough, last year at almost well actually
it was June the tenth. Last year, I posted a
big old are titled Rusty Holy Rosewoes and so at
(03:05):
just virtually this time last year, we were talking about
you know, rose slug softlies have I thought I better
put the saltfly thing in there, because even though we
just call them rose slugs, were you know, they're not slugs,
but I don't want people to think that. But but
then we also reported about this this rust which you know,
(03:25):
ron I did not, I did not you know, come
to horticulture or doing what we do being aware of
rust on rose. Other than it being an oddity, I
mean you kind of occasionally you'd invite people over, you know,
say hey, I've got something really kind of interesting here.
The rosarians.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
You know they can buy those.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Can I buy those rose infected leaves? Rus infected leaves?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh my gosh, yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It was really unusual. But last year, you know, we
started picking it up pretty heavily. As you recall, there
were some that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
If you recall, I actually had taken some pictures and
emailed you in the early June last year. Uh yeah,
with the rust because I had you know, that's one
of those things you just rarely saw on roses. I
mean you were down then, and you know they got
rust on there, but he rarely saw that just never happened.
And all of a sudden, there that was. And I
was kind of like, wow, Joe, when's the last time
(04:26):
you saw this on roses? And I've seen that a
whole lot more. Yeah, last year and again this year already,
same way, getting emails with pictures showing rust on the
and not just knockout roses, but on roses in general.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, you just you just happen to
(04:47):
have knockouts and and but then he gets on all
you know, I don't know if it's all, but most roses.
Same way with the with the sawfly, the the roast
slug same way. I mean, they're not isolated just a
one rose. So uh but Bamin, you get both of
them together, that does a nice job on them.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's well, it's interesting. Now, this is something that we've
been talking about rose slug soft lie since I since
I started the extension. It could very well have been
one of the very first tests that I talked about
in with extension. I mean, just because of what I
did for a living before we had roses and we
(05:28):
had these insects. So if I say just rose slug
soft lie, just that, you know, just that's the name,
then the listeners should be thinking, all right, that's a
springtime problem. Don't worry about it because it has one generation.
So in the spring that come out. Remember on we
would you know, much ado about nothing. We would talk
(05:48):
about it that way. And it's true, you because the
roses would grow out of the problem early. You know,
you get you get this one generation. You'd get these
these window panes because if you flip the leaves over
early enough, you will find a little not so much slug.
Like I kind of wish it wasn't called that, because no,
(06:14):
they don't really I don't know where that came from,
but they do look like they really look like little
tiny caterpillars, maybe more because they have a black head, capsule,
green body, very small, and they feed by removing the
lower epidermis and the middle of the leaf, and they
leave the upper epidermis the upper layer of the leaf,
(06:36):
and eventually that then becomes something that looks like a
window pane, you know, it looks like you're looking through
kind of frosted glass, and after a bit that frosted
glass area drops out. Now you have a hole. So
with Rose slug Salfly, it was an oddity more than
(06:58):
anything else, if you remember, out of me, it was
just like, oh yeah, don't worry about And then then
I remember, I remember very clearly it was probably phone
calls because I don't think email had been invented, but
at that time, so I got a phone call and
I'm talking to, you know, a rosarian or a pro
(07:18):
well person, just I don't know if if I don't recall,
she was really a rosarian but had roses, and she
was describing this everything that I just described with a
little caterpillar like insects, except it was way up in
July and I remember very clearly thinking there's this this
is you know, there's a mistake here. You know, it's
(07:40):
one of those things that no, this, this can't be.
And as it turns out, what was happening then was
that we started picking up this different type of rose
softly let's just call it, and it's called the bristly
rose slug softly, and that one has multiple generations. In fact,
(08:02):
the generations just kind of continue throughout the season, so
you keep seeing the same damage. But if you remember,
it was like something has gone wrong here, you know,
we must have a mutation. Well what is on what's
on my roses this year and what was on last year?
Believing just the straight rose slug or sometimes it's called
(08:25):
the European road slug one generation. I can find nothing
right now except for the damage and the rust is
on there, but it's pretty much relegated towards the You
can already see the plants are growing out of it. Uh,
they're already starting to look good.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So it does. It does.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's important, and why we're talking about it at length
is that you don't need to you know, we want
listeners to pay attention. And you're right, all roses except
maybe uh, regosa, you know, Regosa is just those are
strange roses. They don't get anything that I'm aware of there.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's kind of yeah, they're tough. They're tough.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, And I always thought rogosa just sounded rough, you know.
But anyway, so you know, my shrub roses, which you know,
I do want to get back to this because I
spent a long time yesterday trying to figure out how
to refer to these roses. But the bottom line is this,
if you're seeing heavy, if you're still, if you're looking
(09:33):
and you're seeing rose slug damage the holes in the leaves,
and it's more towards the center of the plant, and
there's a lot of new growth that's already starting to
cover it, then that's probably just one time. It's probably
not going to happen again. But if you're seeing you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Know, holes developing up.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
On new leaves, well, then you might have a problem there.
That may be the bristly rose slug suffly and if
you look at you know, with a magnifying glass, and
then you'll see it it is covered in little bristles.
The rust is a different matter, though, because that's already
you know, the infections have already occurred, and it means
(10:12):
that you'll probably lose all those inner leaves that are infected.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
But eventually, though the plant does.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Kind of grow out of it, doesn't. I mean, eventually
it does.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It does. Yeah, let's take a break. We come back.
We'll talk more about the rust on the shrub roses
or landscape shrub roses. You hit it right on the head.
And maybe they call that rose slug because the damage
looked like a slug had been eating. And maybe that's
the reason.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
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Speaker 1 (12:06):
Welcome back here in the Garden with Ron Wilson type
for Part two with the Buggy Joe Bobs Report.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Mister Joe Bobs.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
OHSU extension their website being check it out again b
yg L dot O s U dot E d U
Part two.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Buggy Joe, You know, I think I I think I
learned something new today. I think I think you're exactly well.
I had actually never heard or read and it makes
perfectly good sense that that damage when it looks like
a window pane damage does look like it does look
(12:41):
like slug damage. The holes look like slug damage. And
I've actually never heard someone say, well that maybe that's
why they're called road slugs.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I was a first.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I never heard you are you're the first. You you
disturbed my ignorance, and in a very positive way. That's
that's good.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Thank you, lady Joe, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It does make very good sense because they don't look
anything like slugs. But the reason why I accepted, you know,
the slug name, is because we do have quite a
few for these sawflies and probably should have said this.
Sawflies are not flies, obviously there flies would never do
something like that as maggots, but they're there. They are
(13:30):
related to wasps, and they really, the adult actually don't
look much like wasps. The adults have a very thick waist.
They just let themselves go right ron, Yeah, anything about that?
And and so that's where the fly comes in, because
the adults have a have a fly like body. The
(13:51):
saw comes in because their egg laying device, the ovipositor,
looks like a saw and they literally use it like
a saw to saw in slits in which they lay
their eggs, and usually it's in leaves, sometimes in stems,
but that's where the sulflight.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Name comes from.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But the slug part, there's for example, you know of
oak slug sawfly, actually two different species, but I'm just
gonna in general just say oak slug swfly. And they
really do look like little slugs. They're shiny, they cover themselves, well,
they actually cover themselves in their excrement, but we won't
(14:32):
go too far there, but they're covered in a slimy material.
Then that allows them to stick to the leaf, and
they do. They do resemble slugs, you know, with being
kind of you know, covered with a mucous like material.
So that's where you know, rose slug kind of made sense,
(14:53):
didn't it. You know, it's like all right there. You
know however, like I said before, they really don't look
anything at all like a slug, so I are like, yeah,
like a slug. But the damage I like that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
The diplomatic thick at the waist instead of stages they're fat.
Well yeah, well they're kind of thick at the waist.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They're a little thickened at the waist.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yes, that's hey, Joe, by the way, backing up real
quick to the rust on those roses. For folks that
have seen that on there again, there's nothing you can
do at that stage besides pick the leaves off, probably
one of the best things to do.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's a tough one because presumably,
and I say it that way because I did some
heavy digging last year to find out, all right, are
there some specific uh you know, suppression recommendations, you know,
timing for funge of size for example, with certain fungicides
(16:01):
work and so on and so forth. And really at
that time I couldn't find anything. And I looked again,
just I didn't look as heavy so far, because like
I said, I just kind of saw this yesterday. But
if you were, if you really, if you have roses
that are really consistently getting hammered by rust, which which
(16:24):
once again ron ten years ago, you and I had
just been kind of laughing about it and not really laughing.
But you know what I'm saying to be like, well
that you know, that's just let me see, you know,
we would really be you know, inviting people over to
see this because it's so rare. But it's becoming less rare,
and I'm presuming then maybe with the fungicidal applications, for example,
(16:47):
on hybrid teas. I really do like hybrid t roses.
There maybe some groans out there, but you know, you
really do have some beautiful roses, fantastic scent, and you know,
they are the roses that you bring inside because they
typically have long, straight stems, but they're finicky roses. I mean,
(17:08):
I think I think it should be hybrid finicky t roses.
And having managed a pretty high end rose garden at
one time, I can say that firsthand. And we really
had in order to have you know, nice looking roses
in the rose garden, we had to be on it
like growing apples, you know, we had to be on
(17:30):
something of a scheduled fungicide rotation. And that probably, you know,
is why maybe why the rust was not as common,
because people did used to I mean, let's face it, people,
you know, we did used to spray hybrid t roses
pretty consistently for all diseases.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Like black spot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You go to a rosarian's house back then and they
would have a bottle of fungicide and insecticide on every
corner of the bed.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I'm serious to take up and go.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That's exactly right, Yeah, exactly. But you know, then then
and I and I love this. I mean, I think
the whole rose story. I think from knockouts, which I
didn't realize that was. I did a little digging because
I wasn't sure I like what you said as a matter,
when you call them landscape roses. I finally settled on that.
(18:23):
You know, when I get this big alert out, I'm
going to call them not just shrub roses, because as
it turns out, I didn't know this that there's you know,
if you look at how to refer to all these
different roses, there are a lot of different names, and
it almost seems like nobody completely agrees you. So, you know,
(18:43):
I kind of see it being, well, you have climbers,
which they're very different, you know, climbing roses. You have
creepers that kind of go along the ground, right, and
then you have you know, the landscape shrub like roses.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Then you have hybrid tees, the snecky.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Rose, Flora Floria brand to Flora's regosos.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Oh my gosh, you have.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Oh so you have more miniature.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Miniature roses.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Just keep on going, you just keep on going.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Uh. But you know, way way back when we didn't
have all these I mean, there were a lot more
in Europe.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
There are a lot more in some of the gardens,
but now we have so many, and the breeders are
continuing to improve roses. That's the main point I was
trying to make. Oh yeah, so all these things we
talk about, I'm trying to say, well, no, don't not
plant roses, just you know, look for those.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Or more disease resistant.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Exactly, Buggy Joe bogs Always great information. Glad you're feeling better.
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He's in the garden and he's Ron Wilson.
Talking to Yardning at eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Welcome back. I am Ron Wilson, your
personal yard boy. Don't forget our website, run Wilson online
dot com facebook page in the garden with Ron Wilson,
And as I promised, it is time for the Buggy
Joe Boggs Report, starring Joe Boggs. You all know Joe.
He's an Assistant Professor Commercial Order Culture Educator for the
(00:24):
Ohio State University Extension OSHU Department of Entomology. He's the
poster boy for OSU Extension. Their website b y g
L dot O s U dot e edu. Write it down,
b y g L dot O s U dot ed U,
Ladies and gentlemen, mister Buggy Joe Boggs.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know, I'm just not worthy. I've just decided that.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
All right, fine, all this fine, this here, just here,
I'm ripping it. I'm ripping it all up right now.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I mean it's just I just think you just just
the interductionally, if you got some guy on the phone,
how does that sound?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Some guy got this dude on the phone.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How you feeling?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
My man?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I'll tell you I'm coming around.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I feel a whole lot better.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Boy, I'll tell you though, when you're out of the
loop at this time of the year, you miss a
lot in a day, isn't that. I mean, they just
don't blink exactly, don't blink if things are really moving along.
I went, I went down to get the mail the
other day, and I looked at our our roses, which
I'm not sure what to call them. Ron. I mean,
this is something that that I I may need some help,
(01:38):
some professional help with and exactly how do we refer
to different roses these days? But any rate, So my
roses that look a lot like shrubs, but I bought
them as knockouts, okay, And I look closely and I
could see, my gosh, there are window panes on my leaves,
and and oh my gosh, there's you know, the leaves
(02:00):
on top of kind of like there's yellow speckles. And
I flipped the leaf over and all there's all this
yellow orangish yellow powdery stuff coming off that really so
so I did what you know, any good gardener you know,
should do, is I I ran back in the house.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You know what sounds what sounded funny? You walked you
walked out to get the mail. It sounds like you
went down the lane, down the gravel lane, about a
quarter of a mile across the creek in the bridge,
got out to the mailbox.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
It's uphill both ways, it's but barefoot.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So you got so you got some rust on your
knockout Rose.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I got some rust, and you know, I I went
back and looked, I'm gonna do an alert this weekend
sometime because interestingly enough, last year at almost well actually
it was June the tenth. Last year, I posted a
big old are titled Rusty Holy Rosewoes and so at
(03:05):
just virtually this time last year, we were talking about
you know, rose slug softlies have I thought I better
put the saltfly thing in there, because even though we
just call them rose slugs, were you know, they're not slugs,
but I don't want people to think that. But but
then we also reported about this this rust which you know,
(03:25):
ron I did not, I did not you know, come
to horticulture or doing what we do being aware of
rust on rose. Other than it being an oddity, I
mean you kind of occasionally you'd invite people over, you know,
say hey, I've got something really kind of interesting here.
The rosarians.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
You know they can buy those.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Can I buy those rose infected leaves? Rus infected leaves?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Oh my gosh, yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
It was really unusual. But last year, you know, we
started picking it up pretty heavily. As you recall, there
were some that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
If you recall, I actually had taken some pictures and
emailed you in the early June last year. Uh yeah,
with the rust because I had you know, that's one
of those things you just rarely saw on roses. I
mean you were down then, and you know they got
rust on there, but he rarely saw that just never happened.
And all of a sudden, there that was. And I
was kind of like, wow, Joe, when's the last time
(04:26):
you saw this on roses? And I've seen that a
whole lot more. Yeah, last year and again this year already,
same way, getting emails with pictures showing rust on the
and not just knockout roses, but on roses in general.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, you just you just happen to
(04:47):
have knockouts and and but then he gets on all
you know, I don't know if it's all, but most roses.
Same way with the with the sawfly, the the roast
slug same way. I mean, they're not isolated just a
one rose. So uh but Bamin, you get both of
them together, that does a nice job on them.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It's well, it's interesting. Now, this is something that we've
been talking about rose slug soft lie since I since
I started the extension. It could very well have been
one of the very first tests that I talked about
in with extension. I mean, just because of what I
did for a living before we had roses and we
(05:28):
had these insects. So if I say just rose slug
soft lie, just that, you know, just that's the name,
then the listeners should be thinking, all right, that's a
springtime problem. Don't worry about it because it has one generation.
So in the spring that come out. Remember on we
would you know, much ado about nothing. We would talk
(05:48):
about it that way. And it's true, you because the
roses would grow out of the problem early. You know,
you get you get this one generation. You'd get these
these window panes because if you flip the leaves over
early enough, you will find a little not so much slug.
Like I kind of wish it wasn't called that, because no,
(06:14):
they don't really I don't know where that came from,
but they do look like they really look like little
tiny caterpillars, maybe more because they have a black head, capsule,
green body, very small, and they feed by removing the
lower epidermis and the middle of the leaf, and they
leave the upper epidermis the upper layer of the leaf,
(06:36):
and eventually that then becomes something that looks like a
window pane, you know, it looks like you're looking through
kind of frosted glass, and after a bit that frosted
glass area drops out. Now you have a hole. So
with Rose slug Salfly, it was an oddity more than
(06:58):
anything else, if you remember, out of me, it was
just like, oh yeah, don't worry about And then then
I remember, I remember very clearly it was probably phone
calls because I don't think email had been invented, but
at that time, so I got a phone call and
I'm talking to, you know, a rosarian or a pro
(07:18):
well person, just I don't know if if I don't recall,
she was really a rosarian but had roses, and she
was describing this everything that I just described with a
little caterpillar like insects, except it was way up in
July and I remember very clearly thinking there's this this
is you know, there's a mistake here. You know, it's
(07:40):
one of those things that no, this, this can't be.
And as it turns out, what was happening then was
that we started picking up this different type of rose
softly let's just call it, and it's called the bristly
rose slug softly, and that one has multiple generations. In fact,
(08:02):
the generations just kind of continue throughout the season, so
you keep seeing the same damage. But if you remember,
it was like something has gone wrong here, you know,
we must have a mutation. Well what is on what's
on my roses this year and what was on last year?
Believing just the straight rose slug or sometimes it's called
(08:25):
the European road slug one generation. I can find nothing
right now except for the damage and the rust is
on there, but it's pretty much relegated towards the You
can already see the plants are growing out of it. Uh,
they're already starting to look good.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So it does. It does.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
It's important, and why we're talking about it at length
is that you don't need to you know, we want
listeners to pay attention. And you're right, all roses except
maybe uh, regosa, you know, Regosa is just those are
strange roses. They don't get anything that I'm aware of there.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's kind of yeah, they're tough. They're tough.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, And I always thought rogosa just sounded rough, you know.
But anyway, so you know, my shrub roses, which you know,
I do want to get back to this because I
spent a long time yesterday trying to figure out how
to refer to these roses. But the bottom line is this,
if you're seeing heavy, if you're still, if you're looking
(09:33):
and you're seeing rose slug damage the holes in the leaves,
and it's more towards the center of the plant, and
there's a lot of new growth that's already starting to
cover it, then that's probably just one time. It's probably
not going to happen again. But if you're seeing you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Know, holes developing up.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
On new leaves, well, then you might have a problem there.
That may be the bristly rose slug suffly and if
you look at you know, with a magnifying glass, and
then you'll see it it is covered in little bristles.
The rust is a different matter, though, because that's already
you know, the infections have already occurred, and it means
(10:12):
that you'll probably lose all those inner leaves that are infected.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
But eventually, though the plant does.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Kind of grow out of it, doesn't. I mean, eventually
it does.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It does. Yeah, let's take a break. We come back.
We'll talk more about the rust on the shrub roses
or landscape shrub roses. You hit it right on the head.
And maybe they call that rose slug because the damage
looked like a slug had been eating. And maybe that's
the reason.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
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Speaker 2 (12:19):
Buggy Joe, You know, I think I I think I
learned something new today. I think I think you're exactly well.
I had actually never heard or read and it makes
perfectly good sense that that damage when it looks like
a window pane damage does look like it does look
(12:41):
like slug damage. The holes look like slug damage. And
I've actually never heard someone say, well that maybe that's
why they're called road slugs.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I was a first.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I never heard you are you're the first. You you
disturbed my ignorance, and in a very positive way. That's
that's good.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Thank you, lady Joe, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It does make very good sense because they don't look
anything like slugs. But the reason why I accepted, you know,
the slug name, is because we do have quite a
few for these sawflies and probably should have said this.
Sawflies are not flies, obviously there flies would never do
something like that as maggots, but they're there. They are
(13:30):
related to wasps, and they really, the adult actually don't
look much like wasps. The adults have a very thick waist.
They just let themselves go right ron, Yeah, anything about that?
And and so that's where the fly comes in, because
the adults have a have a fly like body. The
(13:51):
saw comes in because their egg laying device, the ovipositor,
looks like a saw and they literally use it like
a saw to saw in slits in which they lay
their eggs, and usually it's in leaves, sometimes in stems,
but that's where the sulflight.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Name comes from.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But the slug part, there's for example, you know of
oak slug sawfly, actually two different species, but I'm just
gonna in general just say oak slug swfly. And they
really do look like little slugs. They're shiny, they cover themselves, well,
they actually cover themselves in their excrement, but we won't
(14:32):
go too far there, but they're covered in a slimy material.
Then that allows them to stick to the leaf, and
they do. They do resemble slugs, you know, with being
kind of you know, covered with a mucous like material.
So that's where you know, rose slug kind of made sense,
(14:53):
didn't it. You know, it's like all right there. You
know however, like I said before, they really don't look
anything at all like a slug, so I are like, yeah,
like a slug. But the damage I like that.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
The diplomatic thick at the waist instead of stages they're fat.
Well yeah, well they're kind of thick at the waist.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They're a little thickened at the waist.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yes, that's hey, Joe, by the way, backing up real
quick to the rust on those roses. For folks that
have seen that on there again, there's nothing you can
do at that stage besides pick the leaves off, probably
one of the best things to do.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's a tough one because presumably,
and I say it that way because I did some
heavy digging last year to find out, all right, are
there some specific uh you know, suppression recommendations, you know,
timing for funge of size for example, with certain fungicides
(16:01):
work and so on and so forth. And really at
that time I couldn't find anything. And I looked again,
just I didn't look as heavy so far, because like
I said, I just kind of saw this yesterday. But
if you were, if you really, if you have roses
that are really consistently getting hammered by rust, which which
(16:24):
once again ron ten years ago, you and I had
just been kind of laughing about it and not really laughing.
But you know what I'm saying to be like, well
that you know, that's just let me see, you know,
we would really be you know, inviting people over to
see this because it's so rare. But it's becoming less rare,
and I'm presuming then maybe with the fungicidal applications, for example,
(16:47):
on hybrid teas. I really do like hybrid t roses.
There maybe some groans out there, but you know, you
really do have some beautiful roses, fantastic scent, and you know,
they are the roses that you bring inside because they
typically have long, straight stems, but they're finicky roses. I mean,
(17:08):
I think I think it should be hybrid finicky t roses.
And having managed a pretty high end rose garden at
one time, I can say that firsthand. And we really
had in order to have you know, nice looking roses
in the rose garden, we had to be on it
like growing apples, you know, we had to be on
(17:30):
something of a scheduled fungicide rotation. And that probably, you know,
is why maybe why the rust was not as common,
because people did used to I mean, let's face it, people,
you know, we did used to spray hybrid t roses
pretty consistently for all diseases.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Like black spot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You go to a rosarian's house back then and they
would have a bottle of fungicide and insecticide on every
corner of the bed.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, I'm serious to take up and go.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
That's exactly right, Yeah, exactly. But you know, then then
and I and I love this. I mean, I think
the whole rose story. I think from knockouts, which I
didn't realize that was. I did a little digging because
I wasn't sure I like what you said as a matter,
when you call them landscape roses. I finally settled on that.
(18:23):
You know, when I get this big alert out, I'm
going to call them not just shrub roses, because as
it turns out, I didn't know this that there's you know,
if you look at how to refer to all these
different roses, there are a lot of different names, and
it almost seems like nobody completely agrees you. So, you know,
(18:43):
I kind of see it being, well, you have climbers,
which they're very different, you know, climbing roses. You have
creepers that kind of go along the ground, right, and
then you have you know, the landscape shrub like roses.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Then you have hybrid tees, the snecky.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Rose, Flora Floria brand to Flora's regosos.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Oh my gosh, you have.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Oh so you have more miniature.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Miniature roses.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Just keep on going, you just keep on going.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Uh. But you know, way way back when we didn't
have all these I mean, there were a lot more
in Europe.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
There are a lot more in some of the gardens,
but now we have so many, and the breeders are
continuing to improve roses. That's the main point I was
trying to make. Oh yeah, so all these things we
talk about, I'm trying to say, well, no, don't not
plant roses, just you know, look for those.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Or more disease resistant.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Exactly, Buggy Joe bogs Always great information. Glad you're feeling better.
Talk to you next Saturday. All right, you take care,
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