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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Morning. It's Quinny Cantara Picks one.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Oh six Jared ing with Queen and Knpira.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the show, Jared, thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
For having me appreciate it. Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Jared mcgillard, creative forest director behind the new depth
Netflix docuseriies Gold and Greed The Hunt for Fends Treasure.
Congratulations on the series, Jared.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Let's talk treasure.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's let's talk treasure. So in twenty ten, this rich
guy really buries a treasure somewhere in the United States
and then and then publishes a poem which leads to
all these people searching for that treasure for what the
next ten years?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Ten years? Yeah, exactly, ate it in twenty ten and
announced that's someone I found it on June sixth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
And I mean, I'm looking at the poem and I'm
remembering the poem when it came out.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It was so.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Like, didn't people have like the hardest time figuring out
the poem?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, well, yeah, it depends what you say. It's actually
you can say opposite. I feel people felt like they
had the ease. They a lot hundreds of the people
figured thought they figured out.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That bone, oh, realized the.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Only the only sort of twist was that there was
no treasure at the end of it. But it didn't
it didn't sort of, it didn't waiver their own confidence
in their in their solution to his poe.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, you're saying there was no treasure, but somebody found it, right.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, yeah, yeah, so one of those hundreds of thousands
of people, Yes, one person did find it, but but
the other hundred of thousands they did it, but they
still very much believed in their solution.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, they thought they knew where it was. What you're saying,
but this this, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The docu series takes a lot of twists and turns,
including the death of five people. Tell me how a
few of these people died.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, you know, they all really died from putting themselves
in situations based on the strong belief that their solution
was correct. You know, a lot of these folks didn't
have you know, it's not like all the hundreds of
thousands of people that got pulled into this treasure hunt
had these you know, storied skill sets of being out
in the wilderness and and and the poem took them
out into the vast wilderness of the Rocky mountains, a
(01:58):
lot of people themselves and get in this. They put
themselves in a really compromise situation, just believing that just
over that next still, just over that next bluff must
be this you know, glowing treasure chest full of and
they just have to go a little bit further. And
unfortunately it just took it took a lot of people
past the past the point of no return.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Really and did.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
They did each of the five deaths happened separately or
were there multiple people and at one time that kind
of thing all separately? Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So we're talking to Jared mcgillard, the creative force director
behind the Netflix docuseries examining the hunt for the million
dollar Buried Treasure. It's Golden Greed. I'm sure you've seen
it over on Netflix. What was What was the actual
value of the treasure when it was found?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So the best way to sort of hunt that, to
sort of define that is so it was it was
auctioned off and I think it went for about one
point three million, but you know, to the treasure hunters,
there's trumers that it was worth anywhere from one to
five million dollars. So you can imagine how much that sparked,
sparked some serious motivation.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Did we and do we find out who who ended
up getting it? Who found it?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yep? So this this gentleman named Jack Toof. He was
a medical student in his thirties. He eventually was was
was He eventually did not want to be named. He
wanted to stay anonymous. But eventually he did come forward
and say that he was a person that has found
forest treasure.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
All right, so who's the guy who who owned the
treasure and hid the treasure? Who is that guy?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So that's Forrest Fence. Forest Fenn was this this basically
storied career. He was this military pilot. Uh was in Vietnam,
shot down twice, survived in the jungles of Laos, moved
back to United States into to New Mexico, and was
sort of this art dealer to the stars. And when
he was in his eighties, he got diagnosed with cancer
(03:53):
and was told by doctors he didn't have long to live,
and so he thought, well, I want to leave something
in the world. So we took all these jewels and gold,
you know, nuggets that he collected over his entire lifetime
and put him in this ten inch by ten inch box,
and you know, drove out in the Saki mountains and hid
it someplace. So then he wrote a memoir and in
(04:14):
the back of his memoir was a poem and if
you if you've solved the riddle in his poem, you
would find his treasure.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Jared at any point was it was fan accused of
being kind of being a dank though, I mean, you know,
dangling this this million dollar carrot.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
After people started to die, does he.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Does he take any responsibility for these debts and injuries.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
He doesn't really take responsibility, but I don't think he
ever expected that to be consequence of hiding the treasure,
but he certainly was under a lot of scrutiny. And
then the tone of the treasure of course changed. You know,
once the media is the perception of you know, sort
of this darling inventure in the beginning, the purity of
the chase, I would say, sort of the stories in
like three chapters, three episodes, and the first chapter is
(04:56):
sort of the pure adventure of it. And then once
people started dying, and of course it changed, the changed
everyone's perception of the hunt.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And this is I mean, was he the first one
to do this?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I feel like there's a multiple treasure hunting uh in
mass stories. Uh, you know, the large quantities of people
looking for one thing. There was one here in the
Berkshires not long ago.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And I feel like i've heard is this was he
the first?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
He was.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I mean I always call it like he's the largest
and most fantastic modern natureasure hot story in history. I
don't there's been nothing that sort of stacks up again
sort of what he put together. And I think he
was a big part of it, right. He was a
bit of a showman, Like you said, he's a bit
of a trickster. He loved the media, and he really
got out in the front. And the cool thing is,
you know, there's when I think of treasure when I
(05:43):
was a kid looking at it was like very treasures,
Viking treasure or pirate treasure. But this was a treasure
test where you could literally call Forrest Fan up on
his on his on his home phone and have a
conversation and go meet him for lunch. I mean, she
kind of loved the community and interacting and I think
it was a really unique part of looking for his treasures.
He kind of got to also meet and get to
(06:04):
know him.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You imagine Fenn was ill, did he he didn't live
to see the treasure found? Did he?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
He did?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He did live that long because it took a while.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He lived that long. Yeah, but you know, sort of
tragic enough for only four months after he announced the
treasure was found, he passed away. And so I think,
you know, really the treasure hunting. You think about this
guy who's in his like late eighties and you know,
sort of passing the sort of twilight of your life,
and it gave him this whole new meaning. You know,
(06:33):
while it really changed the lives a lot of the
treasure hunters and they became obsessed with this thing. I
saw this for Utun. I think it really did. I
think it kept him going. And so yeah, it was
a huge part of his life as well.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What is next for you? What's your next project?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Jared? Oh, we got some really fun thing to development.
You know, my company, Nomadic Films, were always sort of
looking at these these these these sort of once in
a lifetime type stories that are just full of these big,
incredible characters. So we got some really fun stuff coming
up and the works a lot of projects.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I bet I know a lot of people are watching
Golden Greed, and I'm sure people are going to continue
to watch it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Countryside combat rescue too. That's good stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
That's what of Jared's Yeah, Oh, thank you so much. Yeah,
that was an incredible experience as well.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, good luck with Golden Greed in your next project.
And we appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Hey, thanks for having me. I have a fantastic day.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Jed Our Pleasure, Quinny Cantara picks one. I was six
Morning. It's Quinny Cantara Picks one.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Oh six Jared ing with Queen and Knpira.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the show, Jared, thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
For having me appreciate it. Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Jared mcgillard, creative forest director behind the new depth
Netflix docuseriies Gold and Greed The Hunt for Fends Treasure.
Congratulations on the series, Jared.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Let's talk treasure.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's let's talk treasure. So in twenty ten, this rich
guy really buries a treasure somewhere in the United States
and then and then publishes a poem which leads to
all these people searching for that treasure for what the
next ten years?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Ten years? Yeah, exactly, ate it in twenty ten and
announced that's someone I found it on June sixth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
And I mean, I'm looking at the poem and I'm
remembering the poem when it came out.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It was so.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Like, didn't people have like the hardest time figuring out
the poem?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, well, yeah, it depends what you say. It's actually
you can say opposite. I feel people felt like they
had the ease. They a lot hundreds of the people
figured thought they figured out.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That bone, oh, realized the.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Only the only sort of twist was that there was
no treasure at the end of it. But it didn't
it didn't sort of, it didn't waiver their own confidence
in their in their solution to his poe.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, you're saying there was no treasure, but somebody found it, right.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, yeah, yeah, so one of those hundreds of thousands
of people, Yes, one person did find it, but but
the other hundred of thousands they did it, but they
still very much believed in their solution.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, they thought they knew where it was. What you're saying,
but this this, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The docu series takes a lot of twists and turns,
including the death of five people. Tell me how a
few of these people died.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, you know, they all really died from putting themselves
in situations based on the strong belief that their solution
was correct. You know, a lot of these folks didn't
have you know, it's not like all the hundreds of
thousands of people that got pulled into this treasure hunt
had these you know, storied skill sets of being out
in the wilderness and and and the poem took them
out into the vast wilderness of the Rocky mountains, a
(01:58):
lot of people themselves and get in this. They put
themselves in a really compromise situation, just believing that just
over that next still, just over that next bluff must
be this you know, glowing treasure chest full of and
they just have to go a little bit further. And
unfortunately it just took it took a lot of people
past the past the point of no return.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Really and did.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
They did each of the five deaths happened separately or
were there multiple people and at one time that kind
of thing all separately? Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
So we're talking to Jared mcgillard, the creative force director
behind the Netflix docuseries examining the hunt for the million
dollar Buried Treasure. It's Golden Greed. I'm sure you've seen
it over on Netflix. What was What was the actual
value of the treasure when it was found?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So the best way to sort of hunt that, to
sort of define that is so it was it was
auctioned off and I think it went for about one
point three million, but you know, to the treasure hunters,
there's trumers that it was worth anywhere from one to
five million dollars. So you can imagine how much that sparked,
sparked some serious motivation.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Did we and do we find out who who ended
up getting it? Who found it?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yep? So this this gentleman named Jack Toof. He was
a medical student in his thirties. He eventually was was
was He eventually did not want to be named. He
wanted to stay anonymous. But eventually he did come forward
and say that he was a person that has found
forest treasure.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
All right, so who's the guy who who owned the
treasure and hid the treasure? Who is that guy?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So that's Forrest Fence. Forest Fenn was this this basically
storied career. He was this military pilot. Uh was in Vietnam,
shot down twice, survived in the jungles of Laos, moved
back to United States into to New Mexico, and was
sort of this art dealer to the stars. And when
he was in his eighties, he got diagnosed with cancer
(03:53):
and was told by doctors he didn't have long to live,
and so he thought, well, I want to leave something
in the world. So we took all these jewels and gold,
you know, nuggets that he collected over his entire lifetime
and put him in this ten inch by ten inch box,
and you know, drove out in the Saki mountains and hid
it someplace. So then he wrote a memoir and in
(04:14):
the back of his memoir was a poem and if
you if you've solved the riddle in his poem, you
would find his treasure.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Jared at any point was it was fan accused of
being kind of being a dank though, I mean, you know,
dangling this this million dollar carrot.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
After people started to die, does he.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Does he take any responsibility for these debts and injuries.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
He doesn't really take responsibility, but I don't think he
ever expected that to be consequence of hiding the treasure,
but he certainly was under a lot of scrutiny. And
then the tone of the treasure of course changed. You know,
once the media is the perception of you know, sort
of this darling inventure in the beginning, the purity of
the chase, I would say, sort of the stories in
like three chapters, three episodes, and the first chapter is
(04:56):
sort of the pure adventure of it. And then once
people started dying, and of course it changed, the changed
everyone's perception of the hunt.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And this is I mean, was he the first one
to do this?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I feel like there's a multiple treasure hunting uh in
mass stories. Uh, you know, the large quantities of people
looking for one thing. There was one here in the
Berkshires not long ago.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And I feel like i've heard is this was he
the first?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
He was.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I mean I always call it like he's the largest
and most fantastic modern natureasure hot story in history. I
don't there's been nothing that sort of stacks up again
sort of what he put together. And I think he
was a big part of it, right. He was a
bit of a showman, Like you said, he's a bit
of a trickster. He loved the media, and he really
got out in the front. And the cool thing is,
you know, there's when I think of treasure when I
(05:43):
was a kid looking at it was like very treasures,
Viking treasure or pirate treasure. But this was a treasure
test where you could literally call Forrest Fan up on
his on his on his home phone and have a
conversation and go meet him for lunch. I mean, she
kind of loved the community and interacting and I think
it was a really unique part of looking for his treasures.
He kind of got to also meet and get to
(06:04):
know him.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You imagine Fenn was ill, did he he didn't live
to see the treasure found? Did he?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
He did?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
He did live that long because it took a while.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He lived that long. Yeah, but you know, sort of
tragic enough for only four months after he announced the
treasure was found, he passed away. And so I think,
you know, really the treasure hunting. You think about this
guy who's in his like late eighties and you know,
sort of passing the sort of twilight of your life,
and it gave him this whole new meaning. You know,
(06:33):
while it really changed the lives a lot of the
treasure hunters and they became obsessed with this thing. I
saw this for Utun. I think it really did. I
think it kept him going. And so yeah, it was
a huge part of his life as well.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What is next for you? What's your next project?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Jared? Oh, we got some really fun thing to development.
You know, my company, Nomadic Films, were always sort of
looking at these these these these sort of once in
a lifetime type stories that are just full of these big,
incredible characters. So we got some really fun stuff coming
up and the works a lot of projects.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I bet I know a lot of people are watching
Golden Greed, and I'm sure people are going to continue
to watch it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Countryside combat rescue too. That's good stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
That's what of Jared's Yeah, Oh, thank you so much. Yeah,
that was an incredible experience as well.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, good luck with Golden Greed in your next project.
And we appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Hey, thanks for having me. I have a fantastic day.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Jed Our Pleasure, Quinny Cantara picks one. I was six
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