In the second hour of today's edition of the Dan Caplis Show former abortion practitioner Dr. Catherine Wheeler joins the show to talk about her past as an abortion practitioner, what she experienced, and how her views and beliefs changed over time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In American ways, we fight for truth and justice, and
no fight for truth and justice more important than the
fight to save these innocent human lives that are being
destroyed in such.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Massive numbers through abortions.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So we bring you something I think particularly valuable to
you today, and that is the medicine. We're going to
have a factual, clinical discussion about the medical realities of
prenatal biology and abortion procedures and drugs. And very kind
to be with us today for that is doctor Catherine Wheeler.
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And she's a hero in the life movement because she
used to perform abortions and then she obviously saw how
wrong that is and had the courage to step up
now and defend life. And doctor thank you for being
with us. Obviously, you bring to the table a very
unique credibility given your history on the other side of
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this issue, but also medical knowledge, so you can just
lay out for people that the clinical medicine on this
and you know will warn folks who may have young
kids in the car, et cetera, that because doctor Wheeler
is going to be telling the medical clinical truth about abortion,
it is going to be deeply disturbing. In a times graphic,
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Doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And thank you so much for taking on this issue.
And it's such a privilege to be with you and
your listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's of great value to all of us because no
matter where somebody is on this issue and what they
think the quote policy should be, it's so hard to
get just the medical facts.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So why don't we start this way?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And then I hope this will be a regular segment,
but but could you just start with just prenatal biology?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
How does all this work?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, thank you for bringing this up. You know, as
I talk to people like abortion is a completely add
turn to people, So I appreciate the opportunity because we're
really talking about only two important things. But they're the
things that, oh I'm so sorry for the noise. They're
the things that they don't want us talking about. Who
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is in the uterus?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Is that dinner?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Sorry? No, I'm actually in a place that was super
quiet and.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
We happen to me a time.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh yeah, So they don't want us to talk about
the baby. They want us to think this is not
a human being, that it's not alive. It's like all
the reasons why it's okay to take the life of
a human being. Well, it's not a baby yet, it's
not alive yet, it doesn't look like us, it doesn't
do all the things that we do as adults. Well,
they don't until they're in their late twenties, you know,
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That's when we finally finish maturing. And so it's anything
they can do to get us to not talk about
the baby. And the second part is they don't want
you to think about what's procedure is and what the
intention of the procedure is. And the procedure, as the
CDC says, is an intervention that does not end in
a live birth. So the intention is to not have
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a live birth. Well that's kind of a twisted language.
The goal is at the baby's dead for whatever reason.
So I think that's the most important thing. And we
get so distracted by everything else. And I believe that's
intentional from the abortion lobby and industry is to yet
us to talk about anything but what we're really talking about,
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which is abortion. And so to me, because I've been
the person sitting in that seat and doing that horrific act.
To me, when I hear the word abortion, I think
about the baby, what it was like for the baby
to try to get away from me, what the procedure is.
And for most people, if you ask them what an
abortion is, they say it's a choice. It's you know,
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we care about women, and people who care about women
think that she should a choice. So I'm hoping that
people will understand to the two things, who the baby
really is. The fact that the baby actually is alive
from the very moment of experm fusion or fertilization is
what we would call expo fusion. And that literally is true.
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This is an independent human organism one cell at first,
but just miraculously has all of its organs developing within
three or four weeks from a single cell. I mean,
what a miracle is that? And it literally is a
heartbeat at six weeks. Every organ, every major organ is
present by six weeks of pregnancy, so I mean, it's
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really an incredible miracle. From the very beginning, you have
an independent organism from the mother that just happens to
be in a safe place basically in the mother's incubator
that she is providing what that baby needs until the
baby can be born and can be able to suck
food and digest food and do those things independently, but
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always an independent organism, so we always have a human being.
And I think we would all agree that it's always
wrong to take the life of an innocent human being,
and that's what abortion does. And so therefore abortion is
wrong because of the life of an innocent human being,
no matter the circumstance. This is a human being, just
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like us and doctor two other human beings matters, Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Doctor Catherine Willer, our guests. So let's start from the
beginning here, because I'm sure there are some folks listening saying, well,
wait a second, how can it clinically be a quote
independent organism when at that point you know that the
life is dependent on the mother. So what do you
mean by the term independent organism?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So independent organism means that the functions of the organism
are united for the benefit of that organism. And so
even from the moment of fertilization, you have chromosomes coming
together in within hours for the benefit of that little psycho,
the single cell human being. It's already making proteins, getting
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ready for the very first cell division. It's miraculous. So
it's been a day and a half. You have a
day to a day and a half, you've got that
original organism becoming two cells and then becoming doubling. And
so by the time you get to around the time
of her missed period, you have cell differentiation, the beginning
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of organ formation. Like it's amazing, from one cell to that.
And so all of the functions are for the development
of that independent organism that has separate chromosomes from the mother.
And what the mother is doing is again providing nourishment,
for providing oxygen, nutrients, for moving waste from the baby,
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is safe place that's protected from the outside world from
harm as the baby.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Develops, Doctor Wheeler, our guests, Now, Doctor that goes to
my next question when you say, and I know this
is medically clinically correct, that human life begins at that
egg sperm fusion, can you put some more meat on
the bone there for us? How do we know as
a matter of science that human life begins at that point,
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because as you describe, you're talking about a single cell
organism at that point, So how can we clinically say
that's human life?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
So we can say that it is human life because
first of all, there are human chromosomes and Secondly, they're
not the mother's chromosomes, so half from the mom, half
from the dad. So a unique set of chromosomes that
will never be repeated, and that those chromosomes then immediately
start functioning, so all of the cellular functions, but all
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of it going into promoting the organism itself, the organism's growth,
and then developing different types of cells that become all
of our organs within an incredibly short period of time.
So the baby has to have a functional heart by
five to six weeks from her last period, so five
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to six weeks of pregnancy, the baby has to be
able to pump blood, or the baby's gotten big enough
that it can't just passively diffuse nutrients and oxygen and
waste back to the mother. It actually needs a functional
cardiac system.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And so this point you made doctor about a unique
set of chromosome set will never be repeated.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So is a clinical point.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Does that mean that this undeniably human life, this particular
unique set of chromosomes, It means that individual will be
gone from the face of the earth forever if it
is killed or dies before it leaves the mother before
or birth exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I think that's part for me, one of the really
sad things is, you know, you tell people you can
try again, your baby's not normal. You can have an abortion,
and then you can try again for a normal baby,
you know, so called normal, but never that child. This
is a this is a once an eternity child that
these chromosomes would come together from these two parents and
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combine in that way for that unique child.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And Doctor, when we come back from this break, would
like to, I mean, we'll talk a bit more about
prenatal biology, but then want to get into the clinical
medical realities of abortion procedures, because I think so many
people who support legalized abortion just don't understand the medical
reality of those procedures.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So we'll be back shortly.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Doctor Catherine Wheeler, who used to perform abortion, she knows
the truth about this clinically, and she's sharing it with
you on the day Capital Show is now saving innocent lives,
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and she's here today to talk about an extraordinarily valuable
piece of this discussion and this ongoing effort to save
innocent human life, and that is to get into the medicine,
the clinical medicine, you know what is that? The medical
clinical reality of abortion. So we started talking about prenatal biology,
and there's certainly much more to talk about there, but
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wanted to go on now and at least in an
outline form, to talk about the reality, the clinical reality
of abortion, the procedures, the drugs, how it is conducted.
So doctor, thanks for staying for the second segment, and
can you just take the floor, And again warning to
those who may have young kids in the car, the
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medical reality of abortion is deeply disturbing. A lot of
people wall that off they don't want to think about it,
as they support legalized abortion, but the medical reality is
graphic and disturbing, and that's what the doctor is about
to describe.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So with that, doctor, please, the floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So thank you, Dan, thank you for the opportunity to
share about this. And it is hard because we are
talking about how do we take the life of a
living baby. So as you think about it, first there's
medicine or drugs, and then secondly there are surgical procedures
and they change. The surgical procedures changed essentially by how
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big the baby and the uterus are. Clearly, as the
baby gets bigger, what works in the first trimester doesn't
work later. So I will start with surgical procedures, and
in the first trimester up until about twelve to thirteen weeks,
you can imagine the uterus about the size of basically
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filling the pelvis. Whole bowl of the pelvis is filled
with the uterus by the end of the first trimester,
and so the baby goes becomes only about two and
a half ish inches overall, but very complex. By eight weeks,
all of the organs are present and most of them
are functioning. So we have now and bones are starting
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to calcify. So early in the first trimester, what looks
like essentially a straw that gradually gets bigger size. We
call that a section you're rat is placed into the
uter in cavity with suction applied here in the United States,
usually with the machine, and so a very strong section
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at least ten times as strong as your vacuum cleaner
in your home, and it literally tears apart the baby
and pulls it through that section and the placentex. And
so that's the essential procedure for the first trimester. Now,
once the baby and the uterus are out of the
pelvis is starting to and the abdomen, you've now got
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a pretty good sized baby that keeps getting bigger. So
by the time you're twenty weeks, the top of the
uterus is at the belly button and then of course
continues to grow upward to the ribcage and then outward.
We've all seen the pregnant women, are been pregnant ourselves,
some of us, and so now you have to say, well,
how do you get a baby that size out? And
so in the second trimester that's done literally by tearing
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the baby apart. And so those are again surgical procedures.
They try to claim that they're not surgical, but they are.
And it's called a dilation in evacuation. So you're basically
dilating the cervix starting the day before and then actually
using instruments. You break the bag of waters, you can
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reach the baby, and you're using instruments that are graspers
and literally grabbing whatever parts closest to you, twisting and pulling,
and so the baby comes out piece by piece, and
you literally have to crush the baby's head to get
the baby's head out, and then the parts are collected.
It's the abortionless job to look and to make sure
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all the major parts are accounted for. So you're literally
counting arms, legs, looking at fingers, looking at the abdomen,
and looking at the baby's head. And then you use
a section a bigger suction canula or straw like thing
that use to suck out the placenta that's remaining end.
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So that's a D and E. That's how it's most
commonly done in the second trimester. But now once you're
over twenty two to twenty four weeks, you're getting pretty
close to the rib cage and the baby is well calcified,
really strong ligaments, and it's too difficult to do that.
The other part of it is once you get to
these age where the baby can survive outside the womb,
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which these days is around twenty two weeks in a
good facility with a high level nursery, now half of
baby's if you just induce labor to get them out,
which is now how you get them out as by
inducing labor, which is a multi day procedure, so it's
just like inducing labors. Of the goal is to have
a dead baby, not alive baby. So now if you
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just induce labor, about half of those babies in some
studies even more will be born alive and they call
that the dreaded complication. So what they want to do
is to be absolutely sure the baby is dead. That's
called feet aside, and they're now again playing with the
words to make it sound better. They now call it
induced cardiac asistely, which means the heart's no longer beating.
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We would call that dead, but they're trying to make
it sound better. So they first inject drugs into the
baby it's most typical, or into the fluid around the baby.
It's a horrific death for the baby. It's an overdose
of very toxic drug. It's very painful. The babies have
extreme activity during this because it's so much pain for them,
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and some of them, about five percent of them in
big studies, will not die depending on how it's done.
Within twenty four hours and they repeat it again. The
other way they kill them is to try to grasp
the baby's cord and biblical cord and cut the cord
and basically let the baby bleed to death. So they're
all horrible procedures. But again this is a multi day
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procedure to get her cervix dilated enough that either the
baby delivers or they use instruments to get the baby
out once the baby's dead. And those again are very
they're dangerous for the woman. They're much more dangerous than
and induced life birds, although they don't want women to
know that. They mostly use first trimester data to try
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to convince women that they're not dangerous. But they are
now moving from that and here in Colorado, abortions are
done through the first trimester. They're legal. You know, it's
kind of interesting that they'll say they don't the primester. Yeah,
so you'll hear them saying, you know, they're not really done. Well,
we have almost five hundred last year.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh my lord, third trimester, third trimester abortions o.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Your viability after Okay, okay, so it's not a small number.
It's more than an average of one a day, and
the majority and they want you to believe that most
of them have birth defects. And still that's a horrible
way to die if you have a birth effect. I mean,
the babies are not suffering in meter up. But it
turns out more than seventy percent of them are actually
completely normal. They're the same reason, it says first trimester
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again them, which is mostly financial and social reasons. So
those are the surgical ones. We haven't talked about complications,
and perhaps in the future we can the medication or
drug induced abortions.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Doctor may interrupt you before going to that category. We're
up against our break. Can you stay one more segment?
Of course, Doctor Catherine Wheeler a tremendous resource. She used
to conduct abortions, obviously a medical doctor, and she's here
to talk about the clinical reality of abortion, which doesn't
get discussed often enough, and so many people who are
pro abortion just sort of wall off. They don't want
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to know these medical truths. But we're going to pursue
the truth, find it and report it. She'll be back
to talk about chemical as well on the Dan Capitla Show.
Here on the Dan Capli Show Real Privilege, you have
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doctor Catherine Wheeler with us. She is a doctor used
to perform abortion. She knows of what she speaks and
we're talking about the clinical truth, the clinical reality of abortion,
which so many people, particularly on the pro abortion side,
are not aware of. So this started at five oh six.
We started with prenatal biology and then we moved into
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abortion procedures of different types at different stages. And obviously
the doctor is giving an overview at this point, it
just talked about your point that most recent data about
five hundred of these post viability abortions in Colorado be
on that point where the baby could survive outside the mother,
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and so just talking about the nature of that particular
horror and the number of those, And now would you
take a second please and educate us all on these
chemical abortions now that constitute a significant percentage of the
procedures involved in taking human life, particularly at the earliest stages.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yes, thank you. So some would call them chemical abortions,
the abortion industry would call them medical abortions. Others call
them drug induced abortions. But we're talking about is most
commonly a two drug regimen. The first one is called
nifipristone and it is a progesterone blocker. Now, progesterone is
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an essential hormone of pregnancy to maintain the interface between
the mom and the baby. Basically with a placentas developing
that supports the baby. So if you block progesterone, you
lose the function of the placenta and the baby essentially
dies of not getting oxygen or nutrients. So that's the
goal of the first drug. Then anywhere from at the
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same time, more commonly one to two days later. A
second drug is called misoprostol, which is a prostic land
in most people that think about that as causing tramping,
and it actually essentially causes leads to contract and expel
what's most commonly a dead baby. And that is, according
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to the FDA, approved until ten weeks of pregnancy. Now
the risk of it goes up every single week of pregnancy,
and now that we have been through COVID. During that time,
it was used as an advantage to push so called
telehealth or even ordering it online. It's no connection with
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a medical person, and so a lot of these women
don't know how far along they are. And as I said,
the risk go up exponentially with every single week. So
by the second trimesters about a forty percent that's four
zero percent complication rate. So they're not getting they're not
making sure they don't have an ectopic pregnancy, which is
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life threatening. It's when the baby hasn't arrived in the
uterine cavity and then planted, so the baby implants outside
of the uterus, most commonly in the Floakian tube. And
it's one of the top causes of death in the
first trimester. So while it's not terribly common, it's about
two percent of pregnancies, it's life threatening and you're supposed to,
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according to the FDA, have an ultrasound to make sure
you know how far long you are and to make
sure you don't have an ectopic pregnancy because it's life threatening.
But people the system is now bypassing that for a
lot of people. About seventy percent of abortions in Colorado
are now done with these drugs, so that is very significant.
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That's the new frontier for the abortion industry. Unfortunately, and
their complication rates are about four times the rate of
first trimester surgical abortions, with fifteen percent of women actually
hemorrhaging and one in five having some kind of a complication.
So they're not as safe as Thailan at all. They're
actually much more dangerous than first trimester and the women
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having them experience really horrible, much more pain and bleeding
than they expect. So we're hearing a lot back from
the women who believe that they're is safe at Thailand
Alms very coercive.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And then going back to where we began the conversation
about prenatal biology.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
One way or the other, what you have.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Is an independent human life that that will never again
exist on the face of the earth is killed. So
this procedure, right, and doctor, you had talked at links
earlier before I'm sure much of our current audience joined
us about these second trimester abortions, these DNA abortions. Can
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you give us an idea at this point, how common
that is, maybe how many a year there are in Colorado?
And at what point that the baby feels the pain?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, So I thank you the way that you've framed it,
because the point is we've got a living human being.
So whether they feel pain or not, the point is
we have a living human being. But it is definitely
more horrific when they can feel the pain. And we
now know and we know this through fidel anesthesia. We
know this from babies who are born extremely early that
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they and from fetal surgery. We know that babies feel
pain much earlier than what the major medical organizations claim.
Some of them claim not until middle of the second
third trimester, some of them say twenty four weeks plus,
but it's probably as early as twelve weeks that they're
feeling pain. So you know, I think that's really significant.
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Ninety percent of abortions are done in the first trimester
according to most recent data, and so somewhere in Colorado,
it's close to four percent are done after the age
of viability. So in Colorado, that would leave somewhere in
the vicinity of six to seven percent done in that
earlier second trimester.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And I thought, how many abortions a year do you
think are done in Colorado?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh, I wish I had that number still on the
top of my head. It's my recollection is it's close
to four thousand. Yeah right, what about weight percent coming
from out of state?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah right?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And just separate issue onto itself, horrible issue onto itself.
But doctor, in the few minutes we have left, and
I hope we do a regular visit on this on
the medicine, just these medical realities, which I think is
so helpful to so many people. Can you, from a
medical standpoint to address a few of these things we
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often hear, such as from a medical standpoint to claim
that more women will die if there's not unrestricted access
to unlimited abortion.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, you know, that is such a long answer. I
would love to spend a segment.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
On you, Oh, okay, Well, let's save that for the
next show and do a whole segment on it.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I think that's one of the biggest narratives. I would
love to just talk about some of the narratives out there,
because there's so many things that are meant to distract
people from thinking about abortion and to think, you know,
there may be circumstances when it's okay to take the
life of a human being, and I think those need
to be addressed. May I go back to the drug
induced abortions or chemical abortion? I would be remiss if
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I didn't say there are people who, if they change
their mind, have an opportunity even after taking the first drug,
if they haven't taken the second drug, and it's within
seventy two hours, there's actually about two thirds of those
babies can be saved by giving high dose natural progesterone.
It's the natural pedesterone, the same one that the mother
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would make, and it basically overcomes the block of the
mifipristone drug on the progesterone receptors, and about sixty seven
percent of babies will survive. And they can call a
local pregnancy resource center here in Colorado. They've made it
illegal except for one organization that immediately filed a lawsuit,
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and that's called Bella Health in Denver. So there are
still opportunities in Colorado to potentially save your baby's life.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
If that's you, and how sick to try to make
saving the baby legal, right that the pro abortion movement's
supposed to be a choice, and then the mother decides, no,
I don't want to take that baby's life. Oh, you
can't have that choice, says that the pro abortion movement.
It's just it reveals what they really are. But doctors,
so grateful for your time. Why don't we do this
the next time we get together, which hopefully will be
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in the next week or two. Let's address from a
medical standpoint some of these other myths, such as abortion
is essential healthcare, you know, which is the argument we
often hear. But again, grateful for your medical expertise, grateful
for your time, Grateful for your courage as someone who
used to perform abortions, you know, in your professional career.
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To be now standing up for life and using your
skills this way is just very inspiring.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well, I think you know, I've come to realize that
most people are deceived and they just don't know or
haven't bought about it like I did. I hate the narrative.
You know, it's just a hard decision some women have
to make and it's just not true. So I love
to be able to share and to answer questions and
to help people to think it through more clearly than
I obviously did.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, thank you, Thank you again for everything, and we'll
look forward to the next conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You take care of That is doctor Katherine Wheeler, And
it's been to me one of the real, really cool
things about the pro life movement the whole time I've
been exposed to it, because I consider my mom to
have been really one of the founders of it. But
how the biggest heroes in the pro life movement and
within the movement, the way they're viewed by people within
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the movement are those people who had abortions and are
now out there standing up for innocent life, and the
people who conducted abortions like our last guest, and are
now standing up for innocent life. They are true heroes
of the movement. You're on the Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's amazing that music can do that.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Well, I picked that song one because it's an amazing
song Stevien.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
X Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Edge of seventeen, and it's just it's an age where
the topic discussed in the previous three segments could be
a very pivotal one in the young woman's life.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
That is so true.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And by the way, what we did in the last segments,
if you didn't hear it, I hope you get back
to the podcast doctor Catherine Wheeler and she used to
perform abortions. So this was a very clinical discussion for
the most part about medical reality, so prenatal biology than abortion,
et cetera. Because what I've found, because I know so
many people who are really really good people and they
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are pro abortion, and in so many of those cases,
I find that they really have not opened their mind
to simply the medical reality of abortion, right, because they
just decide on a woman's choice and this and that
and other kind of slogans out there, and it's easier, right,
It's easier in our society to be pro abortion. And
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so I just think it's so valuable to make available
to people that the simple, undeniable, clinical medical reality of
prenatal biology and abortion, because I think that that can
do more to change hearts and minds than even the
most of other arguments, because I just believe the vast, vast,
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vast majority of people in America are fundamentally good people
across party lines, and that you know, of course, we've
all ended up in our different places in different ways.
But if they get exposed to the truth, the medical
truth about abortion, that's the best chance to shift, to
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shift their view, and then you know, shift who they
vote for in all of that, so the innocent can
be protected. And in fact, proof of my theory is
where we're sitting right now with Roe having been struck down.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And the only way Roe got struck down.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It should have been because it was constitutional crap from
day one. No matter where you are in the abortion
issue row, as constitutional law was, any honest person will
tell you just terrific. But beyond that, the only way
Roe got struck down is because pro lifers, year after year,
decade after decade, fought in the political trenches to get
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pro life candidates elected, and as a result, you finally
got to the point where you had judges who were
just going to.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Interpret the Constitution and not legislate.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
You know who brought us back to that point where
where yes, no, there is no constitutional right to abortion.
You may feel that that abortion should be legal, you know,
as Michael Bennett does, should be legal through all nine
months up to the moment of delivery, if not beyond.
I mean, you know that that's where most on the
left are. You may be there, I hope not, but
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you may be there, but you would still have to
acknowledge there is no constitutional right to abortion. But the
only way Roe got struck down was by and through
these political victories over time. So the more people who
learned the medical reality of prenato biology and abortion, well,
the fewer people who will get abortions, the fewer people
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who will push vulnerable women of all ages to get abortions,
and the fewer people who will vote for the people
who want abortion to be legal through all nine months.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So that's why.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's so valuable just to get the truth out there,
and we've seen it Ryan right, Because the only reason
we're at this point of success in striking dumb Roe,
which is not the end of the journey but just
a critical mountaintop that's been reached, is because of ultrasounds.
Because over the years, so many people saw through ultrasounds
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that they had been lied to that in fact, this is,
as a matter of science, human life that's being killed
through abortion. So ultrasounds blew up the big lie from
the left about abortion being a blob of tissue this
and that. And so through the courageous hard work of
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all these pro lifers over the years, match to match
to people being able to see the science for themselves.
Because Ryan, how often have you had a friend come
up to you and show you the ultrasound?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right? And how often have they said, hey, look at
my fetus. Hi, who's ever said that? It's ridiculous?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
He says that, right, Kelly, what did you say to
people when you brought him the ultrasound?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
So the first one I had was very little, It
was it looked like a p and I put it up.
I was working at a hotel at the time, and
I put it on my door and I put a
big sign over it that says my baby.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Exactly, my maybe exactly. And Dan Rode he says, oh,
look at my fetus. No, it's my baby. The gen
Z's are coming too, Oh man, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
They're the most pro life generation, probably since the Greatest Generation.
And right, now Charlie Kirk posted this on X those
are eighteen to twenty one. Pole was just revealed they
favorite Republicans by almost twelve points.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And this is a big issue for them, enormous.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I mean, you talk about the shifting political landscape in
America and these young people, they are driving a big
piece of it. People of color, of all ages are
driving another.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Big piece of it, right, and so it is a
beautiful thing to behold and one of.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think a lot of different reasons to be optimistic
about the future, even for Colorado. Maybe the toughest till
the climb, one of the toughest, but that's a privilege, right,
That's a great opportunity. Three or three someone three eight,
two five five, write it down. Be with us tomorrow,
God and management willing, we will join you at four
oh six again tomorrow. Bryan tremendous job as always, and
(34:28):
don't miss Ryan Show does a great show in the
Denver market two to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Four each day. Kelly, Human Sunshine. I hope you are
back shining on us tomorrow on the Dan Kapla Show.
In American ways, we fight for truth and justice, and
no fight for truth and justice more important than the
fight to save these innocent human lives that are being
destroyed in such.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Massive numbers through abortions.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So we bring you something I think particularly valuable to
you today, and that is the medicine. We're going to
have a factual, clinical discussion about the medical realities of
prenatal biology and abortion procedures and drugs. And very kind
to be with us today for that is doctor Catherine Wheeler.
(00:37):
And she's a hero in the life movement because she
used to perform abortions and then she obviously saw how
wrong that is and had the courage to step up
now and defend life. And doctor thank you for being
with us. Obviously, you bring to the table a very
unique credibility given your history on the other side of
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this issue, but also medical knowledge, so you can just
lay out for people that the clinical medicine on this
and you know will warn folks who may have young
kids in the car, et cetera, that because doctor Wheeler
is going to be telling the medical clinical truth about abortion,
it is going to be deeply disturbing. In a times graphic,
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Doctor welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
And thank you so much for taking on this issue.
And it's such a privilege to be with you and
your listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Thank you, well, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's of great value to all of us because no
matter where somebody is on this issue and what they
think the quote policy should be, it's so hard to
get just the medical facts.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So why don't we start this way?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And then I hope this will be a regular segment,
but but could you just start with just prenatal biology?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
How does all this work?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, thank you for bringing this up. You know, as
I talk to people like abortion is a completely add
turn to people, So I appreciate the opportunity because we're
really talking about only two important things. But they're the
things that, oh I'm so sorry for the noise. They're
the things that they don't want us talking about. Who
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is in the uterus?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Is that dinner?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Sorry? No, I'm actually in a place that was super
quiet and.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
We happen to me a time.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh yeah, So they don't want us to talk about
the baby. They want us to think this is not
a human being, that it's not alive. It's like all
the reasons why it's okay to take the life of
a human being. Well, it's not a baby yet, it's
not alive yet, it doesn't look like us, it doesn't
do all the things that we do as adults. Well,
they don't until they're in their late twenties, you know,
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That's when we finally finish maturing. And so it's anything
they can do to get us to not talk about
the baby. And the second part is they don't want
you to think about what's procedure is and what the
intention of the procedure is. And the procedure, as the
CDC says, is an intervention that does not end in
a live birth. So the intention is to not have
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a live birth. Well that's kind of a twisted language.
The goal is at the baby's dead for whatever reason.
So I think that's the most important thing. And we
get so distracted by everything else. And I believe that's
intentional from the abortion lobby and industry is to yet
us to talk about anything but what we're really talking about,
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which is abortion. And so to me, because I've been
the person sitting in that seat and doing that horrific act.
To me, when I hear the word abortion, I think
about the baby, what it was like for the baby
to try to get away from me, what the procedure is.
And for most people, if you ask them what an
abortion is, they say it's a choice. It's you know,
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we care about women, and people who care about women
think that she should a choice. So I'm hoping that
people will understand to the two things, who the baby
really is. The fact that the baby actually is alive
from the very moment of experm fusion or fertilization is
what we would call expo fusion. And that literally is true.
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This is an independent human organism one cell at first,
but just miraculously has all of its organs developing within
three or four weeks from a single cell. I mean,
what a miracle is that? And it literally is a
heartbeat at six weeks. Every organ, every major organ is
present by six weeks of pregnancy, so I mean, it's
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really an incredible miracle. From the very beginning, you have
an independent organism from the mother that just happens to
be in a safe place basically in the mother's incubator
that she is providing what that baby needs until the
baby can be born and can be able to suck
food and digest food and do those things independently, but
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always an independent organism, so we always have a human being.
And I think we would all agree that it's always
wrong to take the life of an innocent human being,
and that's what abortion does. And so therefore abortion is
wrong because of the life of an innocent human being,
no matter the circumstance. This is a human being, just
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like us and doctor two other human beings matters, Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Doctor Catherine Willer, our guests. So let's start from the
beginning here, because I'm sure there are some folks listening saying, well,
wait a second, how can it clinically be a quote
independent organism when at that point you know that the
life is dependent on the mother. So what do you
mean by the term independent organism?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So independent organism means that the functions of the organism
are united for the benefit of that organism. And so
even from the moment of fertilization, you have chromosomes coming
together in within hours for the benefit of that little psycho,
the single cell human being. It's already making proteins, getting
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ready for the very first cell division. It's miraculous. So
it's been a day and a half. You have a
day to a day and a half, you've got that
original organism becoming two cells and then becoming doubling. And
so by the time you get to around the time
of her missed period, you have cell differentiation, the beginning
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of organ formation. Like it's amazing, from one cell to that.
And so all of the functions are for the development
of that independent organism that has separate chromosomes from the mother.
And what the mother is doing is again providing nourishment,
for providing oxygen, nutrients, for moving waste from the baby,
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is safe place that's protected from the outside world from
harm as the baby.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Develops, Doctor Wheeler, our guests, Now, Doctor that goes to
my next question when you say, and I know this
is medically clinically correct, that human life begins at that
egg sperm fusion, can you put some more meat on
the bone there for us? How do we know as
a matter of science that human life begins at that point,
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because as you describe, you're talking about a single cell
organism at that point, So how can we clinically say
that's human life?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Right?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
So we can say that it is human life because
first of all, there are human chromosomes and Secondly, they're
not the mother's chromosomes, so half from the mom, half
from the dad. So a unique set of chromosomes that
will never be repeated, and that those chromosomes then immediately
start functioning, so all of the cellular functions, but all
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of it going into promoting the organism itself, the organism's growth,
and then developing different types of cells that become all
of our organs within an incredibly short period of time.
So the baby has to have a functional heart by
five to six weeks from her last period, so five
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to six weeks of pregnancy, the baby has to be
able to pump blood, or the baby's gotten big enough
that it can't just passively diffuse nutrients and oxygen and
waste back to the mother. It actually needs a functional
cardiac system.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
And so this point you made doctor about a unique
set of chromosome set will never be repeated.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So is a clinical point.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Does that mean that this undeniably human life, this particular
unique set of chromosomes, It means that individual will be
gone from the face of the earth forever if it
is killed or dies before it leaves the mother before
or birth exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I think that's part for me, one of the really
sad things is, you know, you tell people you can
try again, your baby's not normal. You can have an abortion,
and then you can try again for a normal baby,
you know, so called normal, but never that child. This
is a this is a once an eternity child that
these chromosomes would come together from these two parents and
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combine in that way for that unique child.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
And Doctor, when we come back from this break, would
like to, I mean, we'll talk a bit more about
prenatal biology, but then want to get into the clinical
medical realities of abortion procedures, because I think so many
people who support legalized abortion just don't understand the medical
reality of those procedures.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So we'll be back shortly.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Doctor Catherine Wheeler, who used to perform abortion, she knows
the truth about this clinically, and she's sharing it with
you on the day Capital Show is now saving innocent lives,
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and she's here today to talk about an extraordinarily valuable
piece of this discussion and this ongoing effort to save
innocent human life, and that is to get into the medicine,
the clinical medicine, you know what is that? The medical
clinical reality of abortion. So we started talking about prenatal biology,
and there's certainly much more to talk about there, but
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wanted to go on now and at least in an
outline form, to talk about the reality, the clinical reality
of abortion, the procedures, the drugs, how it is conducted.
So doctor, thanks for staying for the second segment, and
can you just take the floor, And again warning to
those who may have young kids in the car, the
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medical reality of abortion is deeply disturbing. A lot of
people wall that off they don't want to think about it,
as they support legalized abortion, but the medical reality is
graphic and disturbing, and that's what the doctor is about
to describe.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
So with that, doctor, please, the floor is yours.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So thank you, Dan, thank you for the opportunity to
share about this. And it is hard because we are
talking about how do we take the life of a
living baby. So as you think about it, first there's
medicine or drugs, and then secondly there are surgical procedures
and they change. The surgical procedures changed essentially by how
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big the baby and the uterus are. Clearly, as the
baby gets bigger, what works in the first trimester doesn't
work later. So I will start with surgical procedures, and
in the first trimester up until about twelve to thirteen weeks,
you can imagine the uterus about the size of basically
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filling the pelvis. Whole bowl of the pelvis is filled
with the uterus by the end of the first trimester,
and so the baby goes becomes only about two and
a half ish inches overall, but very complex. By eight weeks,
all of the organs are present and most of them
are functioning. So we have now and bones are starting
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to calcify. So early in the first trimester, what looks
like essentially a straw that gradually gets bigger size. We
call that a section you're rat is placed into the
uter in cavity with suction applied here in the United States,
usually with the machine, and so a very strong section
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at least ten times as strong as your vacuum cleaner
in your home, and it literally tears apart the baby
and pulls it through that section and the placentex. And
so that's the essential procedure for the first trimester. Now,
once the baby and the uterus are out of the
pelvis is starting to and the abdomen, you've now got
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a pretty good sized baby that keeps getting bigger. So
by the time you're twenty weeks, the top of the
uterus is at the belly button and then of course
continues to grow upward to the ribcage and then outward.
We've all seen the pregnant women, are been pregnant ourselves,
some of us, and so now you have to say, well,
how do you get a baby that size out? And
so in the second trimester that's done literally by tearing
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the baby apart. And so those are again surgical procedures.
They try to claim that they're not surgical, but they are.
And it's called a dilation in evacuation. So you're basically
dilating the cervix starting the day before and then actually
using instruments. You break the bag of waters, you can
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reach the baby, and you're using instruments that are graspers
and literally grabbing whatever parts closest to you, twisting and pulling,
and so the baby comes out piece by piece, and
you literally have to crush the baby's head to get
the baby's head out, and then the parts are collected.
It's the abortionless job to look and to make sure
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all the major parts are accounted for. So you're literally
counting arms, legs, looking at fingers, looking at the abdomen,
and looking at the baby's head. And then you use
a section a bigger suction canula or straw like thing
that use to suck out the placenta that's remaining end.
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So that's a D and E. That's how it's most
commonly done in the second trimester. But now once you're
over twenty two to twenty four weeks, you're getting pretty
close to the rib cage and the baby is well calcified,
really strong ligaments, and it's too difficult to do that.
The other part of it is once you get to
these age where the baby can survive outside the womb,
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which these days is around twenty two weeks in a
good facility with a high level nursery, now half of
baby's if you just induce labor to get them out,
which is now how you get them out as by
inducing labor, which is a multi day procedure, so it's
just like inducing labors. Of the goal is to have
a dead baby, not alive baby. So now if you
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just induce labor, about half of those babies in some
studies even more will be born alive and they call
that the dreaded complication. So what they want to do
is to be absolutely sure the baby is dead. That's
called feet aside, and they're now again playing with the
words to make it sound better. They now call it
induced cardiac asistely, which means the heart's no longer beating.
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We would call that dead, but they're trying to make
it sound better. So they first inject drugs into the
baby it's most typical, or into the fluid around the baby.
It's a horrific death for the baby. It's an overdose
of very toxic drug. It's very painful. The babies have
extreme activity during this because it's so much pain for them,
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and some of them, about five percent of them in
big studies, will not die depending on how it's done.
Within twenty four hours and they repeat it again. The
other way they kill them is to try to grasp
the baby's cord and biblical cord and cut the cord
and basically let the baby bleed to death. So they're
all horrible procedures. But again this is a multi day
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procedure to get her cervix dilated enough that either the
baby delivers or they use instruments to get the baby
out once the baby's dead. And those again are very
they're dangerous for the woman. They're much more dangerous than
and induced life birds, although they don't want women to
know that. They mostly use first trimester data to try
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to convince women that they're not dangerous. But they are
now moving from that and here in Colorado, abortions are
done through the first trimester. They're legal. You know, it's
kind of interesting that they'll say they don't the primester. Yeah,
so you'll hear them saying, you know, they're not really done. Well,
we have almost five hundred last year.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh my lord, third trimester, third trimester abortions o.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Your viability after Okay, okay, so it's not a small number.
It's more than an average of one a day, and
the majority and they want you to believe that most
of them have birth defects. And still that's a horrible
way to die if you have a birth effect. I mean,
the babies are not suffering in meter up. But it
turns out more than seventy percent of them are actually
completely normal. They're the same reason, it says first trimester
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again them, which is mostly financial and social reasons. So
those are the surgical ones. We haven't talked about complications,
and perhaps in the future we can the medication or
drug induced abortions.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Doctor may interrupt you before going to that category. We're
up against our break. Can you stay one more segment?
Of course, Doctor Catherine Wheeler a tremendous resource. She used
to conduct abortions, obviously a medical doctor, and she's here
to talk about the clinical reality of abortion, which doesn't
get discussed often enough, and so many people who are
pro abortion just sort of wall off. They don't want
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to know these medical truths. But we're going to pursue
the truth, find it and report it. She'll be back
to talk about chemical as well on the Dan Capitla Show.
Here on the Dan Capli Show Real Privilege, you have
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doctor Catherine Wheeler with us. She is a doctor used
to perform abortion. She knows of what she speaks and
we're talking about the clinical truth, the clinical reality of abortion,
which so many people, particularly on the pro abortion side,
are not aware of. So this started at five oh six.
We started with prenatal biology and then we moved into
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abortion procedures of different types at different stages. And obviously
the doctor is giving an overview at this point, it
just talked about your point that most recent data about
five hundred of these post viability abortions in Colorado be
on that point where the baby could survive outside the mother,
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and so just talking about the nature of that particular
horror and the number of those, And now would you
take a second please and educate us all on these
chemical abortions now that constitute a significant percentage of the
procedures involved in taking human life, particularly at the earliest stages.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yes, thank you. So some would call them chemical abortions,
the abortion industry would call them medical abortions. Others call
them drug induced abortions. But we're talking about is most
commonly a two drug regimen. The first one is called
nifipristone and it is a progesterone blocker. Now, progesterone is
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an essential hormone of pregnancy to maintain the interface between
the mom and the baby. Basically with a placentas developing
that supports the baby. So if you block progesterone, you
lose the function of the placenta and the baby essentially
dies of not getting oxygen or nutrients. So that's the
goal of the first drug. Then anywhere from at the
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same time, more commonly one to two days later. A
second drug is called misoprostol, which is a prostic land
in most people that think about that as causing tramping,
and it actually essentially causes leads to contract and expel
what's most commonly a dead baby. And that is, according
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to the FDA, approved until ten weeks of pregnancy. Now
the risk of it goes up every single week of pregnancy,
and now that we have been through COVID. During that time,
it was used as an advantage to push so called
telehealth or even ordering it online. It's no connection with
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a medical person, and so a lot of these women
don't know how far along they are. And as I said,
the risk go up exponentially with every single week. So
by the second trimesters about a forty percent that's four
zero percent complication rate. So they're not getting they're not
making sure they don't have an ectopic pregnancy, which is
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life threatening. It's when the baby hasn't arrived in the
uterine cavity and then planted, so the baby implants outside
of the uterus, most commonly in the Floakian tube. And
it's one of the top causes of death in the
first trimester. So while it's not terribly common, it's about
two percent of pregnancies, it's life threatening and you're supposed to,
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according to the FDA, have an ultrasound to make sure
you know how far long you are and to make
sure you don't have an ectopic pregnancy because it's life threatening.
But people the system is now bypassing that for a
lot of people. About seventy percent of abortions in Colorado
are now done with these drugs, so that is very significant.
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That's the new frontier for the abortion industry. Unfortunately, and
their complication rates are about four times the rate of
first trimester surgical abortions, with fifteen percent of women actually
hemorrhaging and one in five having some kind of a complication.
So they're not as safe as Thailan at all. They're
actually much more dangerous than first trimester and the women
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having them experience really horrible, much more pain and bleeding
than they expect. So we're hearing a lot back from
the women who believe that they're is safe at Thailand
Alms very coercive.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
And then going back to where we began the conversation
about prenatal biology.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
One way or the other, what you have.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Is an independent human life that that will never again
exist on the face of the earth is killed. So
this procedure, right, and doctor, you had talked at links
earlier before I'm sure much of our current audience joined
us about these second trimester abortions, these DNA abortions. Can
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you give us an idea at this point, how common
that is, maybe how many a year there are in Colorado?
And at what point that the baby feels the pain?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, So I thank you the way that you've framed it,
because the point is we've got a living human being.
So whether they feel pain or not, the point is
we have a living human being. But it is definitely
more horrific when they can feel the pain. And we
now know and we know this through fidel anesthesia. We
know this from babies who are born extremely early that
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they and from fetal surgery. We know that babies feel
pain much earlier than what the major medical organizations claim.
Some of them claim not until middle of the second
third trimester, some of them say twenty four weeks plus,
but it's probably as early as twelve weeks that they're
feeling pain. So you know, I think that's really significant.
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Ninety percent of abortions are done in the first trimester
according to most recent data, and so somewhere in Colorado,
it's close to four percent are done after the age
of viability. So in Colorado, that would leave somewhere in
the vicinity of six to seven percent done in that
earlier second trimester.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And I thought, how many abortions a year do you
think are done in Colorado?
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh, I wish I had that number still on the
top of my head. It's my recollection is it's close
to four thousand. Yeah right, what about weight percent coming
from out of state?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah right?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And just separate issue onto itself, horrible issue onto itself.
But doctor, in the few minutes we have left, and
I hope we do a regular visit on this on
the medicine, just these medical realities, which I think is
so helpful to so many people. Can you, from a
medical standpoint to address a few of these things we
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often hear, such as from a medical standpoint to claim
that more women will die if there's not unrestricted access
to unlimited abortion.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, you know, that is such a long answer. I
would love to spend a segment.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
On you, Oh, okay, Well, let's save that for the
next show and do a whole segment on it.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I think that's one of the biggest narratives. I would
love to just talk about some of the narratives out there,
because there's so many things that are meant to distract
people from thinking about abortion and to think, you know,
there may be circumstances when it's okay to take the
life of a human being, and I think those need
to be addressed. May I go back to the drug
induced abortions or chemical abortion? I would be remiss if
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I didn't say there are people who, if they change
their mind, have an opportunity even after taking the first drug,
if they haven't taken the second drug, and it's within
seventy two hours, there's actually about two thirds of those
babies can be saved by giving high dose natural progesterone.
It's the natural pedesterone, the same one that the mother
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would make, and it basically overcomes the block of the
mifipristone drug on the progesterone receptors, and about sixty seven
percent of babies will survive. And they can call a
local pregnancy resource center here in Colorado. They've made it
illegal except for one organization that immediately filed a lawsuit,
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and that's called Bella Health in Denver. So there are
still opportunities in Colorado to potentially save your baby's life.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
If that's you, and how sick to try to make
saving the baby legal, right that the pro abortion movement's
supposed to be a choice, and then the mother decides, no,
I don't want to take that baby's life. Oh, you
can't have that choice, says that the pro abortion movement.
It's just it reveals what they really are. But doctors,
so grateful for your time. Why don't we do this
the next time we get together, which hopefully will be
(26:59):
in the next week or two. Let's address from a
medical standpoint some of these other myths, such as abortion
is essential healthcare, you know, which is the argument we
often hear. But again, grateful for your medical expertise, grateful
for your time, Grateful for your courage as someone who
used to perform abortions, you know, in your professional career.
(27:22):
To be now standing up for life and using your
skills this way is just very inspiring.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Well, I think you know, I've come to realize that
most people are deceived and they just don't know or
haven't bought about it like I did. I hate the narrative.
You know, it's just a hard decision some women have
to make and it's just not true. So I love
to be able to share and to answer questions and
to help people to think it through more clearly than
I obviously did.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, thank you, Thank you again for everything, and we'll
look forward to the next conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
You take care of That is doctor Katherine Wheeler, And
it's been to me one of the real, really cool
things about the pro life movement the whole time I've
been exposed to it, because I consider my mom to
have been really one of the founders of it. But
how the biggest heroes in the pro life movement and
within the movement, the way they're viewed by people within
(28:16):
the movement are those people who had abortions and are
now out there standing up for innocent life, and the
people who conducted abortions like our last guest, and are
now standing up for innocent life. They are true heroes
of the movement. You're on the Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's amazing that music can do that.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Well, I picked that song one because it's an amazing
song Stevien.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
X Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Edge of seventeen, and it's just it's an age where
the topic discussed in the previous three segments could be
a very pivotal one in the young woman's life.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
That is so true.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And by the way, what we did in the last segments,
if you didn't hear it, I hope you get back
to the podcast doctor Catherine Wheeler and she used to
perform abortions. So this was a very clinical discussion for
the most part about medical reality, so prenatal biology than abortion,
et cetera. Because what I've found, because I know so
many people who are really really good people and they
(29:19):
are pro abortion, and in so many of those cases,
I find that they really have not opened their mind
to simply the medical reality of abortion, right, because they
just decide on a woman's choice and this and that
and other kind of slogans out there, and it's easier, right,
It's easier in our society to be pro abortion. And
(29:41):
so I just think it's so valuable to make available
to people that the simple, undeniable, clinical medical reality of
prenatal biology and abortion, because I think that that can
do more to change hearts and minds than even the
most of other arguments, because I just believe the vast, vast,
(30:03):
vast majority of people in America are fundamentally good people
across party lines, and that you know, of course, we've
all ended up in our different places in different ways.
But if they get exposed to the truth, the medical
truth about abortion, that's the best chance to shift, to
(30:25):
shift their view, and then you know, shift who they
vote for in all of that, so the innocent can
be protected. And in fact, proof of my theory is
where we're sitting right now with Roe having been struck down.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And the only way Roe got struck down.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It should have been because it was constitutional crap from
day one. No matter where you are in the abortion
issue row, as constitutional law was, any honest person will
tell you just terrific. But beyond that, the only way
Roe got struck down is because pro lifers, year after year,
decade after decade, fought in the political trenches to get
(31:01):
pro life candidates elected, and as a result, you finally
got to the point where you had judges who were
just going to.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Interpret the Constitution and not legislate.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
You know who brought us back to that point where
where yes, no, there is no constitutional right to abortion.
You may feel that that abortion should be legal, you know,
as Michael Bennett does, should be legal through all nine
months up to the moment of delivery, if not beyond.
I mean, you know that that's where most on the
left are. You may be there, I hope not, but
(31:31):
you may be there, but you would still have to
acknowledge there is no constitutional right to abortion. But the
only way Roe got struck down was by and through
these political victories over time. So the more people who
learned the medical reality of prenato biology and abortion, well,
the fewer people who will get abortions, the fewer people
(31:52):
who will push vulnerable women of all ages to get abortions,
and the fewer people who will vote for the people
who want abortion to be legal through all nine months.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So that's why.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's so valuable just to get the truth out there,
and we've seen it Ryan right, Because the only reason
we're at this point of success in striking dumb Roe,
which is not the end of the journey but just
a critical mountaintop that's been reached, is because of ultrasounds.
Because over the years, so many people saw through ultrasounds
(32:26):
that they had been lied to that in fact, this is,
as a matter of science, human life that's being killed
through abortion. So ultrasounds blew up the big lie from
the left about abortion being a blob of tissue this
and that. And so through the courageous hard work of
(32:46):
all these pro lifers over the years, match to match
to people being able to see the science for themselves.
Because Ryan, how often have you had a friend come
up to you and show you the ultrasound?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right? And how often have they said, hey, look at
my fetus. Hi, who's ever said that? It's ridiculous?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
He says that, right, Kelly, what did you say to
people when you brought him the ultrasound?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
So the first one I had was very little, It
was it looked like a p and I put it up.
I was working at a hotel at the time, and
I put it on my door and I put a
big sign over it that says my baby.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Exactly, my maybe exactly. And Dan Rode he says, oh,
look at my fetus. No, it's my baby. The gen
Z's are coming too, Oh man, it's amazing.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
They're the most pro life generation, probably since the Greatest Generation.
And right, now Charlie Kirk posted this on X those
are eighteen to twenty one. Pole was just revealed they
favorite Republicans by almost twelve points.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And this is a big issue for them, enormous.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I mean, you talk about the shifting political landscape in
America and these young people, they are driving a big
piece of it. People of color, of all ages are
driving another.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Big piece of it, right, and so it is a
beautiful thing to behold and one of.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think a lot of different reasons to be optimistic
about the future, even for Colorado. Maybe the toughest till
the climb, one of the toughest, but that's a privilege, right,
That's a great opportunity. Three or three someone three eight,
two five five, write it down. Be with us tomorrow,
God and management willing, we will join you at four
oh six again tomorrow. Bryan tremendous job as always, and
(34:28):
don't miss Ryan Show does a great show in the
Denver market two to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Four each day. Kelly, Human Sunshine. I hope you are
back shining on us tomorrow on the Dan Kapla Show.
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