April 14, 2025 • 35 mins
There's a new sheriff in town, literally - Steve Reams, Weld County Sheriff steps in for Dan and has his law enforcement perspective on the egregious detachable magazine ban on guns in Colorado.
Rep. Jarvis Caldwell (R-20) joins with an update on House Bill 25-1312, which threatens parental rights over the gender identity of their children.
Ian Escalante, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners details exactly why Senate Bill 25-003 is such an authoritarian overreach and infringement on Second Amendment rights in Colorado.
Rep. Jarvis Caldwell (R-20) joins with an update on House Bill 25-1312, which threatens parental rights over the gender identity of their children.
Ian Escalante, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners details exactly why Senate Bill 25-003 is such an authoritarian overreach and infringement on Second Amendment rights in Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And if you're listening and your ears are working or correctly,
you can probably tell you're not actually listening to Dan Caplis. Today,
you have Sheriff Steve Raims filling in, like a couple
of weeks ago. It's always an honor to be able
to be part of this show and especially get to
fill in. I mean, this is like I said before,
it's like driving Dad's hot ride. You know, when Dan's
gone and he gives me the opportunity to come on
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the airwaves and share a little bit of information. I
take the opportunity anytime I can get it. So today
we're going to have kind of an eventful show, I hope.
You know, We've had just a little bit of news
going on in the state of Colorado and nationally, so
it's probably a good time to try to cover a
few of those things. And I know something that's actually
hitting a lot of people here in Colorado is Senate
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Bill to twenty five dash three. I think it was
last Thursday. Governor Polis and all of his infinite wisdom
signed that bill into law. And so now we have
this mess to deal with. And I've been getting a
ton of messages through social media, through email at work, voicemail,
pretty much anyway somebody knows how to reach me. At
this point, I'm getting hit up with what are we
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going to do with this bill? How's it going to
be overturned? Is it going to be overturned? Is it constitutional?
What am I going to do as a share Am
I going to enforce this law? And I think all
those questions are really coming from a point where people
are nervous. You know, as I've said many times before,
Democrats are probably the best gun salesman in the state
of Colorado because they pass legislation like this and it
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forces people to go out and want to exercise their
Second Amendment rights. This bill is no different, but it's
so confusing in the way that it was written. People
really don't understand exactly what it means. Some people assume
it just says, hey, there's a bunch of guns that
are no longer legal in the state of Colorado. Others
kind of understand that creates a bunch of loop or
barriers that are going to be placed in front of
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anybody who wants to exercise their Second Amendment rights, at
least for a whole host of guns. So we'll kind
of break down the bill as the as the show
allows us to. We'll take some calls, We'll definitely get
any text messages that gets sent in, And with that,
I guess I should put that number out if you'd
like to like to text in and ask a question
about the bill. The numbers five seven, seven, three nine
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started out with Dan or you can call in at
three oh three seven one, three eight two five five.
I'd love to talk with you on the on the
radio show here and kind of cuss and discuss a
little bit about what exactly this bill does and doesn't do,
and kind of what action I, as a sheriff for
any sheriff in the state of Colorado for that matter,
can take and helping to kind of navigate this mess
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that the legislature has given us. But also I would
like to spend a little bit of time today covering
another topic that Dan and headed to in the promo
for this show, and that was the Colorado Governor's race.
If you listen to the prior show with Ryan Schuling
and his excellent narratives, he had Greg Lopez come on
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and make his announcement that he's running for a third
time for governor in the state of Colorado. Maybe his
tagline will be the third times of Charm. But if
you listen to that interview, you know that he's one
of many candidates that are in the race. And when
you start looking at kind of what lines out on
the Democrat side, but lines out on the Republican side,
you can't help but wonder, all right, is this the
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time not only for this race, but maybe the attorney
General's race and some others. Is this the time where
Republicans finally have a chance at taking something back? And
I only say that because of the lackluster candidates that
you see coming in from the Democrat side. To be
quite honest with you, as Ryan has many times described,
Michael Bennett is just so out of touch to me.
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Every time he talks, it sounds like he's trying to
talk through a yawn. He just he's so hard to
listen to and he makes me want to yawn just
while he's talking. So I can't imagine that he resonates
and creates excitement. But he does have a war chest,
He does have contacts from his time out in Washington,
d C. Although he professes that he's spent more time
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in Colorado than any other politician statewide politician.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I don't know how that would be, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So we'll talk some throughout the show about which candidates
are on are lining up on the Democrat side, which
ones are lining up on the Republican side, and a
little known fact about how many unaffiliated or unidentified candidates
are in the race. At last count, I think we
have with Greg Lopez jumping into the race, former congressman
from CD four for that temporary job with him, that
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makes eleven For the Dems they only have three, and
for the undecided, unaffiliated, nonpartisan, whatever the other category, you
have eight candidates. And we'll go through those candidates as
the show. As the show progresses, heck, let's go ahead
and start with some of these Republicans, so we know
Greg Lopez gotten the race. Today we've got Mark Baisley,
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State Senator. I believe Scott Bottoms State rep. Both on
the Republican side. There's a Jason Clark that's gotten in
the race. I don't know anything about him. There's a
Bryson Garrison, Steve Ann Guess, John Gray Ginsburg, which I've
definitely had some interactions with. He is an interesting character.
Joshua Griffin. I think I saw a post from him
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on Facebook. Jason Michael which I had on the show
when I hosted a few weeks back. He's the sheriff
in Teller County. Alexander Alexander Muguta. I think I said
that right. And then Jim Runberg Republican. So if any
of you people out there know these candidates or you
have a personal affiliation with them, feel free to text
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in tell me what you know about him. Call in again.
That number is three O three. Let me look at that,
make sure I get it right. Let's see here three
three seven one three eight two. That's a rookie mistake.
And the text number five seven seven thirty nine starts
your text off with Dan, I'm telling you the stuff
that the stuff that we're dealing with in the state
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of Colorado and kind of the political landscape out there.
This is the time. If a Republican is going to
win this state with the passage of Senate Bill three,
with another House buil that has gotten a lot of attention,
House Bill thirteen twelve, which we'll have Jarvis Caldwell on
here in a little bit to talk about. You know,
it's a transgender rights bill, or that's kind of the
way it's being talked about. If a Republican can't find
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a couple of issues to run on, then man, we're
in a lot of trouble in this state. But I
got to tell you, just driving down here, I'm sitting
in traffic and I feel like I'm going to get
a contact high from all this marijuana smell while I'm
sitting on I twenty five on a road that looks
like it's was last maintained probably and I don't know,
the early two thousands. There are so many issues in
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the state. In fact, while I'm reading through through Greg
Lopez's press release here he talks about wanting to fix
the things that are broken in Colorado. We'll start with
the roads, because the roads here suck. If you have
a car that has any kind of performance suspension, you
pretty much have to plan your route before you leave
the house. If you're riding a motorcycle, it's kind of
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like trying to ride through a landmine, which I ride motorcycles,
So that's a personal one for me. This state is
in a dire need of a lot of fixing, and
the Democrats are running every possible issue out there to
give Republicans something to campaign on. So if we can't
win now, it's only because we're beating ourselves up and
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we haven't figured out how to resonate with the unaffiliated voters.
But as we're talking about candidates, okay, so I read
off the aid or whatever it was on the Republican side,
I'm sorry, eleven on the Republican side, Let's talk about
the three on the Democrat side. So we know, let's
see here, we've got Michael Bennett, who just announced last
Friday and probably one of the most boring press conferences
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I've ever watched, because again, it was like he was
yawning through his own press conference.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I know, I certainly was.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean, it couldn't even it was less exciting than
watching Golf Channel reruns. You also have Phil Wiser, and
then you have a William Moses and I don't know
anything about William Moses. But I think what it's really
going to come down to is can Michael Bennett. Can
he get Phil Wiser in a headlock, give him a
little nuggy and push him out of the race, and
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where does phil Wiser go? But when you start looking
at political chess, all right, so we know there's a
bunch of stuff on the board that you have to
play with. If Michael Bennett steps away from that Senate seat,
which he said he's not actually going to step down
from Senate, He's gonna run as an active senator. So
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if he stays in that seat, gets elected as governor,
let's just play the what ifs. Then he gets to
a point the next person to take over his seat,
and it sounds like that's what his plan is. So
then is that the Joe A Goose card? Just Joe
Nogose move over? And then who fills Joe and Nogose's seat?
Is that where Phil Wiser gets to go go retreat
to It's going to be interesting to see how the
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Democrats line this up. But you know, on the other
end of it, the Republicans, they just got to figure
out how they're going to have this primary where you know,
we get in a big room and basically fight it out.
It looks like we got a caller on the line. Oh,
I think we have a break first though, So we'll
go to a break before we before we take this call.
When we come back, well, we have a caller that
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wants to talk about Senate Built twenty five Dash three
as it relates to hunting, I believe, and some of
the issues around Fort Collins.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So we'll go to break. When we come back, we'll
dive right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Into the questions about Senate Bill twenty five Dash Show three.
You're listening to the Dankapla Show here on six point thirty.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
K how.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That song is the perfect description of my drive down here.
Hopefully I wasn't stuck in traffic long enough that I
won't be able to pass the next year analysis test
that I have to take.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But you're on the dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
You got Steve Reims setting in a sheriff up in
Weld County, and we're going to cover a bunch of
stuff today, but we really want to cover Senate Bill
twenty five Dash three. I want to hear what you
have to say about it. Also, I want to hear
what you have to say about who should be running
for governor in the state of Colorado. Is there a
candidate in the race on the Republican side that you're
ready to support right now? Are you all in for
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one of the candidates that we talked about. I'll read
them off again at some point in the show. But
are you Are you invested in who can win this state,
who can bring this state back? Or do you have
a recommendation who for who should get in? But we
have a caller on the line. His name is Huntery
from Fort Collins, and he's calling in about Senate Bill
twenty five Dash three. Hunter, how you doing good?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I just have a question. What's say, for example, I
didn't want to buy the gun in Colorado. Let's let's
say I used gun and I wanted to go to
another state. I'll just throw one out like Arizona or
something where you can purchase a used gun in a
parking lot someplace. Sure, it's not a not a big deal,
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and I drive that thing back into Colorado. Can I
do that legally? Because you know I've stopped at some
gun shops out of state and they don't really want
anything to do with me with a Colorado license.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, so I think that's your biggest burden right now
is you know, every state around US has gone man,
I don't want nothing to do with Colorado. So I
think the easy answer is if you're in that state
and you're following their laws, and you buy a gun
and you bring it back here, yes, I think you
can probably do that without being in violation of the
state law. That being said, you know, this is a
little bit of unchartered territory. So if that gun has
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you know, a magazine that extends past you know what
what is allowable in the state of Colorado. You know,
is that gun one of those one of these guns
that's listed in the bill, Are you technically, you know,
thwarting the law.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Probably so. Is it enforceable? Not very likely. And I
think that's the problem. Right Like, if you're a person,
let's say you live in Arizona right now, you own
a whole collection of guns, and you move to Colorado, well,
obviously your guns aren't going to become illegal upon you
moving here. You had them, you know, you've had them
in your possession all this time. Now leaving the state
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to buy one and come back in. You know, that's
probably going to get questioned by a few people, but
not not by anybody realistically in law enforcement. I don't
even know if that gives you a clear answer.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But yeah, I wouldn't be going there just to buy
a gun. But if I happened to be there anyway,
A lot of people go there in the winter time, sir,
and you ran across a deal which you can't get here,
by the way, you might want to take advantage of that,
which brings me to one more question.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, you bet go for it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I had a rental property out of state about twenty
years ago. While cleaning it out, I found two shotguns
underneath a bed. Okay, I kept them. They're buried in
my basement somewhere. I don't I don't use them or anything.
But I don't know too much about their history or anything.
But I don't want to go just trucking one into
the stop shop and say, hey, check these outs. I
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don't want to get arrested or something. But I mean,
I don't think there's anything any big deal. I think
they just missed them when they cleaned a place. Is
there some way to find out with you know, about
getting myself in trouble.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know, that's a great question, and just being in
possession of them doesn't necessarily mean you've you've violated the law.
And I will tell you every jurisdiction looks at this
a little differently from my office. If someone comes forward
and says, hey, you know, we found these guns, we
want to make sure that they're not involved in a homicide,
they're not stolen, whatever we'll do. We'll do a clearance
of those guns for an individual and say, yeah, you know,
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you're good to go, or or no, this is a
problem for years. Yeah, so by this time, you know,
whatever record of the whatever record that may be in
a system, probably doesn't exist anymore. But it's not a
bad thing to get in touch with your local law
enforcement agency and say, hey, will you do this for me.
Otherwise about the only way you can do it is
to take it into a gun store as a potential trade,
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and quite frankly, the gun store kind of has to
take the risk at that point. There is no real
mechanism for a private individual or a gun store even
to check the legitimacy of a gun. The only way
you can do that is through law enforcement. I'm really
glad you brought this up, because this is an issue
we brought up. I say we, the sheriffs of Colorado
brought up.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Is.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Hey, this is maybe an area where, you know, if
you wanted to create a gun law that might be
helpful to citizens. It's something along these lines, give citizens
away or give gun stores away that they could check
the legitimacy of a gun before they buy it or
you know, before they're in that process. But clearly it's
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kind of jurisdiction by jurisdiction. So I hope that answers
your question.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean Wolkeville, and I'd have to cost some
moat to get over to your county.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And so hey, the drawbridge it comes down, come across.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You know, we'll take you right. Thank you, Andrew, thanks
for the call.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I appreciate it. We got another caller on the line.
This is Zane from Pueblo. Zaane, you got a question
about concealed carry. What can I answer for you.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Yeah, I've got a concealed lessons for bit for like
I don't know, maybe fifteen sixteen years now. It's it's
good until like February of twenty twenty nine. Huh so
when I renew that, as long as I don't buy
a semi auto, am I gonna have to take a
class to renew that.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
No, this bill is completely independent Center Bill twenty five
DESH three is completely independent of the conceal handgun permitting process.
So if you're in Pueblo and you've got your concealed
handgun permit and you want to go renew it on
the date in question, you can still do that. There's
no problem there. There was a bill that was passed
last year though, that says if you miss your renewal date,
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then you have to go take a updated training class.
So don't don't miss your date. But otherwise you should
be good to go. As far as going out and
buying another firearm can still weapons permit has nothing to
do with that. With this new process, they're all independent
of one another. You start to go to the sheriff's office,
but for two totally different transactions, de ply up that. Well,
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that a whole bunch of others. Hey, thanks to the
phone calls.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
There, I appreciate it, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You bet So, we're we're discussing a little bit trying
to answer a few questions for those people that have
called in great questions so far. But again, this is
Steve Reams stilling in for Dan Kaplis. So you know,
we have a chance to kind of look at it
from a law enforcement perspective and say, what are the
ins and outs of center Bill twenty five dash zero three,
this atrocious gun bill that Governor Polis signed in the
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law last Thursday. And you know, he didn't do it
with a lot of fanfare, which tells me he's embarrassed
about what he did. But the only the only thing
I see out of it is I think Governor Polis
has written off his political ambitions at this point, at
least I have to believe that's what his intent was here,
because what red blooded American is going to vote for
this guy in a presidential who's passed one of the
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most restrictive gun laws that we've ever seen, at least
in the state of Colorado, And it may take the
cake for what you see nationwide. You know, as we're
talking about this bill, I'll just go into some of
the details here before we before we have to hit
a hard break. Send it Bill twenty five to three. Really,
what it does is it tells you have to go
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to a sheriff and get permission to go buy a
gun that has a removable, removable magazine and is semi
automatic in nature, and it pretty much runs the gamut.
There are a few exceptions for guns that would meet
that definition, but pretty much just think of any gun
that you would commonly want to carry, handgun or rifle.
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What you'll be required to do now is is go
get a background check from some private entity, which is
a whole nother level of stupidity because as a sheriff,
we can do background checks, but the law doesn't allow
you to do that. You got to go You got
to go to a private entity to have that done
and then bring it into my offer, and then we
turn around and say, yeah, you're good. You can go
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take this class and then you'll get registered to take
an opportunity to go buy a gun. We're going to
a hard break. When we come back, we're going to
have Jarvis Caldwell on the line to talk to us
about House Bill thirteen twelve. You listening to the Dan
Caplis Show on six.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Point thirty K.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You're back with the Dankplas show. You got Steve raims
Well Kuny Sheriff sitting in today while Dan's off handling
some really important business. I'm sure probably suing the behind
off of somebody who knows. But I told you in
the early part of the show we were going to
have a state rep on mister Jarvis Caldwell from HD twenty.
He recently made a little bit of a dust up
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down at the State House when he kind of challenged
a House bill that's going through down there right now
that I can't even begin to describe. So we'll let
him do that. That's House Bill thirteen twelve. But on
the line with us is a representative Jarvis Caldwell.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
How you doing heany?
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Steve, thanks so much for having me and I appreciate
the intro music.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well you picked that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, So I can't think of anything more appropriate than
what you're dealing with down there at the State House
right now, because there's a whole lot of smoke and
mirrors going on, I'm certain, But tell us a little
bit about the dust up you had and kind of
what has that turned into. I know you've done some
Fox News stuff and of course this big show. So
just tell the listeners kind of what you ran into.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Yes, sir, So for your listeners who haven't heard yet,
he'se built thirteen twelve. It's a it's called legal protections
for transgender individuals, but it's way more than that. And
the bottom line of it is in legal custody disputes
that the bill orders a judge to side with the
parent who affirms the gender identity delusions of the child right,
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and the parent who doesn't go along with that, and
once again help for the child is considered committing child
abuse and therefore loses custody. And I mean, this is
just really it's lit a fire and parents in Colorado.
The Christian community has just come out incredible over the
last couple of weeks, and I have so many videos
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sent to me of pastors speaking from the pulpit about
this and just trying to rally people together to come
out against this.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So how does a bill like this get introduced without
just getting attacked? And I know this is kind of
a setup, but how did this bill kind of fly
under the radar for so long?
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah, So the thing is is it got introduced on
the House floor on March twenty eighth, which is a Friday,
in the evening after we already adjourned for the day,
unless the speaker usually stays behind and just kind of
does some for work introducing bills, assigning bills. So all
of us went home for the weekend, none of us
had heard about it. And then that following Monday, the
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Chairman Javier Maybray kind of casually said, oh, yeah, by
the way, tomorrow we're going to hear this bill in committee.
And once we started looking up the bill, we realized
how bad it was. So we had less than twenty
four hours to prepare for this bill when we found
out in testimony that they'd been working on this bill
for over a year.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Of course, of course, so all right, you get into
a little bit of a dust up by making a
comment about hey, we're gonna we're going to risk federal
funding or something along those lines for the state of Colorado.
Who was that exchange with and kind of what is
that dovetailed into? I know, like I said, you got
a lot of national attention for your comments. How'd that go?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Yeah, So something that the Republicans and I have kept
kind of pushing. We keep running these bills these like
immigration bills and these transgender bills and just anti printal
rights bills and gun bills, and I feel like the
Democrats and the legislature are doing this like specifically to
kind of the eye of President Trump. So we keep
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running amendments that say, if the federal government, if this
risk funds, and they threatened fund this bill is automatically repealed,
and we did it with this bill, and the Democrats
have killed it every time. I almost think at this
point they want that to happen so they can play
victim and you know, big bad Trump.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, you know, in all fairness, I mean, I don't
know why the federal the federal government wouldn't look at
withdrawing some funds from the state of Colorado. I mean,
there's there's a multitude of reasons, whether it's you know,
being a sanctuary state or passing stuff like this. I mean,
I think these bills do put federal funding for the
state at risk. And to your point, yeah, it would
be it would be foolish for them to actually make
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that happen. But then again, they're kind of the party
of foolishness right now.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Yeah, and it's it's even crazier than that. So the
Speaker of the House does introduced the bill. It's her bill,
it's House Bill thirteen twenty one. And I don't think
this is on many people's radars right now, but we're
we're setting aside four million dollars from our infrastructure fund,
specifically four potential lawsuits from the federal government if they
try to take funding. So we're taking from our infrastructure fund,
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our taxpayer money, and saying that we're going to use
this to fight the federal government if they do threaten
to take funds from us. And that's a bill that
just came out, I think, last week, and hasn't really
got a lot of attention at all.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So what would that infrastructure fund normally be used for?
I think I can probably put two and two together.
But if it wasn't to fight back against the federal government,
what would that money typically get used for.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well, I hope it'd be used for potholes, because I
cracked my rim zone know how many times driving back
and forth to Opaso County every day.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well, I can tell you pothole took on a whole
different meeting today when I was driving down the highway
and I was sitting in a big cloud of pot smoke.
So yeah, in this state, you know, our spending and
our efforts are definitely misguided. So while we got you
just for a little bit, representative called well, educate the
voters about the area that you represent and kind of
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what your desire is or what your passion is down
there at the State House. I know you're fighting against
everything down there, but where do you represent and kind
of what's your background so people can get more involved
in following you and getting to know you a little better.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yes, sir, So I'm northern Olpaso County. So i have
the Air Force Academy, which is very fitting because I'm
an Air Force veteran monument Palmer Lake Black Force and
souton Colorado. And my background is I was ten years
in the United States Air Force. I have a wife
and two kids. My wife is retired Air Force twenty
two and a half years. And you know, the big
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thing I ran on was safety and security. So I
sit on Judiciary Committee and I hear all these horrible
bills that the Democrats are running. They're trying to put
more more criminals back out onto the streets. And while
we're trying to make sure we protect our community members
and keep the criminals off the streets. So that's a
big thing for me. I was in the jagquarps. I
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was an enlisted paralegal and so I used to sit
in on court martials and you know, making sure we
got justice for victims. So I do have that criminal
justice background. But I'm also a charter school board member
and I have two kids in elementary school, so education,
school choice, parntal rights are big issues for me. And
this is this house built thirteen twelve. This is a
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big parntal rights fight for me.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I mean, you know, I feel for anybody who's having
to deal with a kid who's you know, going through
this transgender question in their mind. But to magnify it
with a bill that is placed before us. I can't
imagine a parent trying to navigate, you know, a very
complex situation with their kid, and you hope nobody has
(25:50):
to go through that. But if they are going through that,
to throw this fuel on the fire, it seems like
it's it's not in a it's nothing good, right.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
Yeah. The point I keep making is this is their ideology, right.
They put it in commercials, they put it in Disney movies,
they put it in our schools, and they push it
on our kids. This wasn't a thing twenty thirty years ago,
but they push it on our kids. And then they say,
if we're not okay with it and we don't go
along with it, then we were losing custody of our
kids and we're committing child abuse. And I'm not okay
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with that, and I think most color Reddins aren't either.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So in the testimony for this bill, what's been the
balance is it? You know, has it been overwhelmingly supportive
of the bill? Negative of the bill? Like, what are
you saying from the public. I mean, I think this
is getting a lot of traction, But are people showing up?
And what does the testimony look like?
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Yeah, So we had two hundred and twenty witnesses for
this bill when it went through House Judiciary Committee, and
about half of that was people in opposition. And remember
that was less than twenty four hours of notice.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
And so I think when they finally assign it to
a CINIC committee, it's going to be gigantic. I mean,
I'm I'm hoping we break a record, the biggest I've
ever seen for a committee was like six hundred and
fifty for a gun bill. I think that was SP three.
I think we'll get a thousand people that show up
to testify against this bill. And I think they haven't
assigned it yet to a Senate committee because they realize
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the national backlash. And Loreina Garcia, the sponsor of this
in the House, she posted over the weekend on her
blue Sky account, which is like the liberal Twitter that
the main she called it, mainstream LGBT groups are trying
to kill this bill behind the scenes, which is the
first I've heard of it. But I think even their
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side of the aisle realizes the backlash.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The still, yeah, it's just so unpopular.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, Representative cauld Well, we really appreciate you coming on
with us, and quite frankly, we'd love for you to
keep in touch and kind of let us know where
this bill travels when it does hit the Senate and
it's time to get the word out there. I'm sure
Dan or Ryan, we'll be happy to get you back
on so you can draw attention to the bill. And again,
thanks for being on the show and thanks for educating us.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Yes, sir, thank you for having me very much.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
All right, you listening to the Dankapleas Show. You got
Sheriff Steve Reims setting in for the day. We're going
to cut to a break and I want to come back.
We'll take a few more phone calls about Senate Bill
twenty five Dash three.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Welcome back to the Dan Capleas Show. You got Steve
Reams setting in for the day. But I want to
get right to this. We've got a guest on the line.
This is a short segment, so I want to make
sure we can cover as much ground as possible. We
have Ian Escalante with the Rocky Mountain Gun owners. Ian,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Hey, Sheriff Reams, thank you so much for having me on.
Can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I can hear you? Great, I so can the listeners. Hey.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I wanted to have you on the show because we've
we've been talking a lot about Senate Bill three and
I know I'm getting asked a ton of questions about, Hey,
what are the sheriffs going to do? Can you stand
up against this? And I'm sure you're getting asked a
lot of those same questions about what's Rocky Mountain Gun
owners going to do now, is there a lawsuit in
the works. Where are you guys out on this now?
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
So I want to address obviously the issue at hand,
which is Centate Bill three. What Jared Polas did was
one of the most disgraceful things in our state and
honestly our nation's history, by signing a opening up the
floodgates for full scale civilian disarmament in the state of Colorado.
I want to be abundantly clear. They're trying to say, Oh,
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this is just training, Oh this is just a way
to make sure we're getting guns in the right hand.
This is opening the door for civilian disarmament. We've seen
it in Illinois, it's happening in Washington right now, and
it's about to start happening here. What RMGO is planning
to do is, we have a couple of things in mind.
First things first, we're going to be start right now
working overtime to recruit candidates and get people trained up
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so they can run for office in twenty twenty six,
and ensure that accountability comes to the Democrats who voted
for this piece of legislation. We cannot let them get
away with this.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I'm Glad you said piece of legislation and not what
I was thinking, So keep going exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
The next thing is, we have a team of some
of the best Second Amendment attorneys and legal experts in
the nation. We're sitting down right now and formulating a
legal strategy on how we're going to combat this. Sure,
it's a little bit more difficult to beat in court
than an outright ban, not because it's any less unconstitutional,
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but because when you have the liberal judges in the
Tenth Circuit, many of whom were appointed by Barack Obama
and Joe Biden, they are looking for any excuse to
dismiss this a case against gun control and try to
create new precedent. That's their strategy against the Brewing decision
now is they just want to override it with new precedent.
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So hopefully ten year, ten to fifteen years down the road,
when the Supreme Court is not as conservative as it
is today, they then can overturn Brewin and fully have
the Supreme Court a staffablish that this garbage is constitutional.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. You know, one
of the things I've seen in the bill is how
open ended it is. I mean, it doesn't even put
time restrictions on how long a sheriff has to issue
these cards. You know, there's a bunch of questions about
when you take the class, how soon do you have
to come in and are after your issued a card,
how soon do you have to go take the class.
There's just a whole bunch of open ended stuff here
(31:23):
that you know, I guess if you're going to attack
the bill, that's that's the way to start is just
by how you know, how poorly written it is.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Absolutely and I mean, we see this happening in Los
Angeles County right now, where they set up this new
permanent system for concealed carrier licenses, and now people are
waiting two years to obtain their government permission slip to
quote unquote allow them to exercise their god given rights
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twenty four months, and the state of Illinois their firearm
Owner's ID card is taking sometimes eighteen months for people
to get their applications proved process and then to actually
obtain their permit to purchase and possess, which is that's
where we're headed. We're headed towards firearm uner ID card.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I don't disagree with you, but one of the challenges,
as you've probably you're probably well aware. This thing doesn't
go into effect until August first of twenty twenty six,
so creating standing is a challenge. And also there's there's
been no discussion about what fees are going to be
around this, and we know fees are just a tax,
but you know, the state's going to set a fee
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for what it costs you to apply for this permit,
and then sheriffs on top of that are probably going
to add some fees to cover the cost of administering
this program. I mean, this could get pretty exorbitant. And
there's no cap. I mean, it doesn't say where it stops.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
No, and it doesn't that's the point. I mean what
I said, I said this the day the bill was signed.
I said, Senate Bill three is a minute straight of
ban disuise as a permit to purchase system. That's what
it is. They can't paign the guns outright, but they
can they can just not issue you your license or
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make it to where you can't even take a class.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, just slow, that's.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
What they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, I said earlier in the show, I've I've read
a lot of bad bills, but this one probably takes
the cake. I mean, whoever wrote it, which whichever version
you want to look at, they it was almost like
it was their first attempt at writing law. And maybe
that helps in a in a lawsuit against this thing.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Well, I can tell you this that what they did
is that if they were looking for a most terrible,
uncontrolled bill with so many moving parts and a severability clause,
that it's harder to just take the bill down in
one fell swoop. Whoever wrote this bill deserves a raise
because they did a darn good job of doing it.
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But that's not going to stop us. We're going to
keep fighting it. The other thing we're doing is it's
been a deliberate effort to come out and turn Colorado
into ground zero for radical gun control. We've had over
thirty gun control bills filed in the last three years alone,
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and that is why we are actually armed you as
a petition to Attorney General Pam Bondi, and we're going
to put pressure on her and we're going to urge
her to step in here and say, listen, something has
to be done.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Well, Ian, I appreciate the efforts that you and the
Rocky Mountain gun owners are providing in this effort. We
got to get rid of this thing. It's bad legislation
all the way around. But I think everybody needs to
know this is going to be a long road, so
don't walk away from it. Keep supporting the guys that
are fighting the fight. And Ian, thanks for being on
with us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Thank you, Cherff.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I have a good one, all right.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. When we come
back after break, we're gonna have a few callers and
some text message to get to about Senatebille twenty five
dash three. Thanks for listening with us again, Dan Kaplas
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
And if you're listening and your ears are working or correctly,
you can probably tell you're not actually listening to Dan Caplis. Today,
you have Sheriff Steve Raims filling in, like a couple
of weeks ago. It's always an honor to be able
to be part of this show and especially get to
fill in. I mean, this is like I said before,
it's like driving Dad's hot ride. You know, when Dan's
gone and he gives me the opportunity to come on
(00:38):
the airwaves and share a little bit of information. I
take the opportunity anytime I can get it. So today
we're going to have kind of an eventful show, I hope.
You know, We've had just a little bit of news
going on in the state of Colorado and nationally, so
it's probably a good time to try to cover a
few of those things. And I know something that's actually
hitting a lot of people here in Colorado is Senate
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Bill to twenty five dash three. I think it was
last Thursday. Governor Polis and all of his infinite wisdom
signed that bill into law. And so now we have
this mess to deal with. And I've been getting a
ton of messages through social media, through email at work, voicemail,
pretty much anyway somebody knows how to reach me. At
this point, I'm getting hit up with what are we
(01:21):
going to do with this bill? How's it going to
be overturned? Is it going to be overturned? Is it constitutional?
What am I going to do as a share Am
I going to enforce this law? And I think all
those questions are really coming from a point where people
are nervous. You know, as I've said many times before,
Democrats are probably the best gun salesman in the state
of Colorado because they pass legislation like this and it
(01:43):
forces people to go out and want to exercise their
Second Amendment rights. This bill is no different, but it's
so confusing in the way that it was written. People
really don't understand exactly what it means. Some people assume
it just says, hey, there's a bunch of guns that
are no longer legal in the state of Colorado. Others
kind of understand that creates a bunch of loop or
barriers that are going to be placed in front of
(02:04):
anybody who wants to exercise their Second Amendment rights, at
least for a whole host of guns. So we'll kind
of break down the bill as the as the show
allows us to. We'll take some calls, We'll definitely get
any text messages that gets sent in, And with that,
I guess I should put that number out if you'd
like to like to text in and ask a question
about the bill. The numbers five seven, seven, three nine
(02:27):
started out with Dan or you can call in at
three oh three seven one, three eight two five five.
I'd love to talk with you on the on the
radio show here and kind of cuss and discuss a
little bit about what exactly this bill does and doesn't do,
and kind of what action I, as a sheriff for
any sheriff in the state of Colorado for that matter,
can take and helping to kind of navigate this mess
(02:48):
that the legislature has given us. But also I would
like to spend a little bit of time today covering
another topic that Dan and headed to in the promo
for this show, and that was the Colorado Governor's race.
If you listen to the prior show with Ryan Schuling
and his excellent narratives, he had Greg Lopez come on
(03:09):
and make his announcement that he's running for a third
time for governor in the state of Colorado. Maybe his
tagline will be the third times of Charm. But if
you listen to that interview, you know that he's one
of many candidates that are in the race. And when
you start looking at kind of what lines out on
the Democrat side, but lines out on the Republican side,
you can't help but wonder, all right, is this the
(03:30):
time not only for this race, but maybe the attorney
General's race and some others. Is this the time where
Republicans finally have a chance at taking something back? And
I only say that because of the lackluster candidates that
you see coming in from the Democrat side. To be
quite honest with you, as Ryan has many times described,
Michael Bennett is just so out of touch to me.
(03:53):
Every time he talks, it sounds like he's trying to
talk through a yawn. He just he's so hard to
listen to and he makes me want to yawn just
while he's talking. So I can't imagine that he resonates
and creates excitement. But he does have a war chest,
He does have contacts from his time out in Washington,
d C. Although he professes that he's spent more time
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in Colorado than any other politician statewide politician.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I don't know how that would be, but whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So we'll talk some throughout the show about which candidates
are on are lining up on the Democrat side, which
ones are lining up on the Republican side, and a
little known fact about how many unaffiliated or unidentified candidates
are in the race. At last count, I think we
have with Greg Lopez jumping into the race, former congressman
from CD four for that temporary job with him, that
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makes eleven For the Dems they only have three, and
for the undecided, unaffiliated, nonpartisan, whatever the other category, you
have eight candidates. And we'll go through those candidates as
the show. As the show progresses, heck, let's go ahead
and start with some of these Republicans, so we know
Greg Lopez gotten the race. Today we've got Mark Baisley,
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State Senator. I believe Scott Bottoms State rep. Both on
the Republican side. There's a Jason Clark that's gotten in
the race. I don't know anything about him. There's a
Bryson Garrison, Steve Ann Guess, John Gray Ginsburg, which I've
definitely had some interactions with. He is an interesting character.
Joshua Griffin. I think I saw a post from him
(05:29):
on Facebook. Jason Michael which I had on the show
when I hosted a few weeks back. He's the sheriff
in Teller County. Alexander Alexander Muguta. I think I said
that right. And then Jim Runberg Republican. So if any
of you people out there know these candidates or you
have a personal affiliation with them, feel free to text
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in tell me what you know about him. Call in again.
That number is three O three. Let me look at that,
make sure I get it right. Let's see here three
three seven one three eight two. That's a rookie mistake.
And the text number five seven seven thirty nine starts
your text off with Dan, I'm telling you the stuff
that the stuff that we're dealing with in the state
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of Colorado and kind of the political landscape out there.
This is the time. If a Republican is going to
win this state with the passage of Senate Bill three,
with another House buil that has gotten a lot of attention,
House Bill thirteen twelve, which we'll have Jarvis Caldwell on
here in a little bit to talk about. You know,
it's a transgender rights bill, or that's kind of the
way it's being talked about. If a Republican can't find
(06:33):
a couple of issues to run on, then man, we're
in a lot of trouble in this state. But I
got to tell you, just driving down here, I'm sitting
in traffic and I feel like I'm going to get
a contact high from all this marijuana smell while I'm
sitting on I twenty five on a road that looks
like it's was last maintained probably and I don't know,
the early two thousands. There are so many issues in
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the state. In fact, while I'm reading through through Greg
Lopez's press release here he talks about wanting to fix
the things that are broken in Colorado. We'll start with
the roads, because the roads here suck. If you have
a car that has any kind of performance suspension, you
pretty much have to plan your route before you leave
the house. If you're riding a motorcycle, it's kind of
(07:17):
like trying to ride through a landmine, which I ride motorcycles,
So that's a personal one for me. This state is
in a dire need of a lot of fixing, and
the Democrats are running every possible issue out there to
give Republicans something to campaign on. So if we can't
win now, it's only because we're beating ourselves up and
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we haven't figured out how to resonate with the unaffiliated voters.
But as we're talking about candidates, okay, so I read
off the aid or whatever it was on the Republican side,
I'm sorry, eleven on the Republican side, Let's talk about
the three on the Democrat side. So we know, let's
see here, we've got Michael Bennett, who just announced last
Friday and probably one of the most boring press conferences
(08:02):
I've ever watched, because again, it was like he was
yawning through his own press conference.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I know, I certainly was.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean, it couldn't even it was less exciting than
watching Golf Channel reruns. You also have Phil Wiser, and
then you have a William Moses and I don't know
anything about William Moses. But I think what it's really
going to come down to is can Michael Bennett. Can
he get Phil Wiser in a headlock, give him a
little nuggy and push him out of the race, and
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where does phil Wiser go? But when you start looking
at political chess, all right, so we know there's a
bunch of stuff on the board that you have to
play with. If Michael Bennett steps away from that Senate seat,
which he said he's not actually going to step down
from Senate, He's gonna run as an active senator. So
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if he stays in that seat, gets elected as governor,
let's just play the what ifs. Then he gets to
a point the next person to take over his seat,
and it sounds like that's what his plan is. So
then is that the Joe A Goose card? Just Joe
Nogose move over? And then who fills Joe and Nogose's seat?
Is that where Phil Wiser gets to go go retreat
to It's going to be interesting to see how the
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Democrats line this up. But you know, on the other
end of it, the Republicans, they just got to figure
out how they're going to have this primary where you know,
we get in a big room and basically fight it out.
It looks like we got a caller on the line. Oh,
I think we have a break first though, So we'll
go to a break before we before we take this call.
When we come back, well, we have a caller that
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wants to talk about Senate Built twenty five Dash three
as it relates to hunting, I believe, and some of
the issues around Fort Collins.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
So we'll go to break. When we come back, we'll
dive right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Into the questions about Senate Bill twenty five Dash Show three.
You're listening to the Dankapla Show here on six point thirty.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
K how.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
That song is the perfect description of my drive down here.
Hopefully I wasn't stuck in traffic long enough that I
won't be able to pass the next year analysis test
that I have to take.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
But you're on the dan Kaplas Show.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
You got Steve Reims setting in a sheriff up in
Weld County, and we're going to cover a bunch of
stuff today, but we really want to cover Senate Bill
twenty five Dash three. I want to hear what you
have to say about it. Also, I want to hear
what you have to say about who should be running
for governor in the state of Colorado. Is there a
candidate in the race on the Republican side that you're
ready to support right now? Are you all in for
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one of the candidates that we talked about. I'll read
them off again at some point in the show. But
are you Are you invested in who can win this state,
who can bring this state back? Or do you have
a recommendation who for who should get in? But we
have a caller on the line. His name is Huntery
from Fort Collins, and he's calling in about Senate Bill
twenty five Dash three. Hunter, how you doing good?
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I just have a question. What's say, for example, I
didn't want to buy the gun in Colorado. Let's let's
say I used gun and I wanted to go to
another state. I'll just throw one out like Arizona or
something where you can purchase a used gun in a
parking lot someplace. Sure, it's not a not a big deal,
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and I drive that thing back into Colorado. Can I
do that legally? Because you know I've stopped at some
gun shops out of state and they don't really want
anything to do with me with a Colorado license.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, so I think that's your biggest burden right now
is you know, every state around US has gone man,
I don't want nothing to do with Colorado. So I
think the easy answer is if you're in that state
and you're following their laws, and you buy a gun
and you bring it back here, yes, I think you
can probably do that without being in violation of the
state law. That being said, you know, this is a
little bit of unchartered territory. So if that gun has
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you know, a magazine that extends past you know what
what is allowable in the state of Colorado. You know,
is that gun one of those one of these guns
that's listed in the bill, Are you technically, you know,
thwarting the law.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Probably so. Is it enforceable? Not very likely. And I
think that's the problem. Right Like, if you're a person,
let's say you live in Arizona right now, you own
a whole collection of guns, and you move to Colorado, well,
obviously your guns aren't going to become illegal upon you
moving here. You had them, you know, you've had them
in your possession all this time. Now leaving the state
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to buy one and come back in. You know, that's
probably going to get questioned by a few people, but
not not by anybody realistically in law enforcement. I don't
even know if that gives you a clear answer.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But yeah, I wouldn't be going there just to buy
a gun. But if I happened to be there anyway,
A lot of people go there in the winter time, sir,
and you ran across a deal which you can't get here,
by the way, you might want to take advantage of that,
which brings me to one more question.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, you bet go for it.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I had a rental property out of state about twenty
years ago. While cleaning it out, I found two shotguns
underneath a bed. Okay, I kept them. They're buried in
my basement somewhere. I don't I don't use them or anything.
But I don't know too much about their history or anything.
But I don't want to go just trucking one into
the stop shop and say, hey, check these outs. I
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don't want to get arrested or something. But I mean,
I don't think there's anything any big deal. I think
they just missed them when they cleaned a place. Is
there some way to find out with you know, about
getting myself in trouble.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know, that's a great question, and just being in
possession of them doesn't necessarily mean you've you've violated the law.
And I will tell you every jurisdiction looks at this
a little differently from my office. If someone comes forward
and says, hey, you know, we found these guns, we
want to make sure that they're not involved in a homicide,
they're not stolen, whatever we'll do. We'll do a clearance
of those guns for an individual and say, yeah, you know,
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you're good to go, or or no, this is a
problem for years. Yeah, so by this time, you know,
whatever record of the whatever record that may be in
a system, probably doesn't exist anymore. But it's not a
bad thing to get in touch with your local law
enforcement agency and say, hey, will you do this for me.
Otherwise about the only way you can do it is
to take it into a gun store as a potential trade,
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and quite frankly, the gun store kind of has to
take the risk at that point. There is no real
mechanism for a private individual or a gun store even
to check the legitimacy of a gun. The only way
you can do that is through law enforcement. I'm really
glad you brought this up, because this is an issue
we brought up. I say we, the sheriffs of Colorado
brought up.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Is.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Hey, this is maybe an area where, you know, if
you wanted to create a gun law that might be
helpful to citizens. It's something along these lines, give citizens
away or give gun stores away that they could check
the legitimacy of a gun before they buy it or
you know, before they're in that process. But clearly it's
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kind of jurisdiction by jurisdiction. So I hope that answers
your question.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean Wolkeville, and I'd have to cost some
moat to get over to your county.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And so hey, the drawbridge it comes down, come across.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You know, we'll take you right. Thank you, Andrew, thanks
for the call.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I appreciate it. We got another caller on the line.
This is Zane from Pueblo. Zaane, you got a question
about concealed carry. What can I answer for you.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Yeah, I've got a concealed lessons for bit for like
I don't know, maybe fifteen sixteen years now. It's it's
good until like February of twenty twenty nine. Huh so
when I renew that, as long as I don't buy
a semi auto, am I gonna have to take a
class to renew that.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
No, this bill is completely independent Center Bill twenty five
DESH three is completely independent of the conceal handgun permitting process.
So if you're in Pueblo and you've got your concealed
handgun permit and you want to go renew it on
the date in question, you can still do that. There's
no problem there. There was a bill that was passed
last year though, that says if you miss your renewal date,
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then you have to go take a updated training class.
So don't don't miss your date. But otherwise you should
be good to go. As far as going out and
buying another firearm can still weapons permit has nothing to
do with that. With this new process, they're all independent
of one another. You start to go to the sheriff's office,
but for two totally different transactions, de ply up that. Well,
(16:13):
that a whole bunch of others. Hey, thanks to the
phone calls.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
There, I appreciate it, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
You bet So, we're we're discussing a little bit trying
to answer a few questions for those people that have
called in great questions so far. But again, this is
Steve Reams stilling in for Dan Kaplis. So you know,
we have a chance to kind of look at it
from a law enforcement perspective and say, what are the
ins and outs of center Bill twenty five dash zero three,
this atrocious gun bill that Governor Polis signed in the
(16:38):
law last Thursday. And you know, he didn't do it
with a lot of fanfare, which tells me he's embarrassed
about what he did. But the only the only thing
I see out of it is I think Governor Polis
has written off his political ambitions at this point, at
least I have to believe that's what his intent was here,
because what red blooded American is going to vote for
this guy in a presidential who's passed one of the
(17:02):
most restrictive gun laws that we've ever seen, at least
in the state of Colorado, And it may take the
cake for what you see nationwide. You know, as we're
talking about this bill, I'll just go into some of
the details here before we before we have to hit
a hard break. Send it Bill twenty five to three. Really,
what it does is it tells you have to go
(17:23):
to a sheriff and get permission to go buy a
gun that has a removable, removable magazine and is semi
automatic in nature, and it pretty much runs the gamut.
There are a few exceptions for guns that would meet
that definition, but pretty much just think of any gun
that you would commonly want to carry, handgun or rifle.
(17:43):
What you'll be required to do now is is go
get a background check from some private entity, which is
a whole nother level of stupidity because as a sheriff,
we can do background checks, but the law doesn't allow
you to do that. You got to go You got
to go to a private entity to have that done
and then bring it into my offer, and then we
turn around and say, yeah, you're good. You can go
(18:03):
take this class and then you'll get registered to take
an opportunity to go buy a gun. We're going to
a hard break. When we come back, we're going to
have Jarvis Caldwell on the line to talk to us
about House Bill thirteen twelve. You listening to the Dan
Caplis Show on six.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Point thirty K.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You're back with the Dankplas show. You got Steve raims
Well Kuny Sheriff sitting in today while Dan's off handling
some really important business. I'm sure probably suing the behind
off of somebody who knows. But I told you in
the early part of the show we were going to
have a state rep on mister Jarvis Caldwell from HD twenty.
He recently made a little bit of a dust up
(18:50):
down at the State House when he kind of challenged
a House bill that's going through down there right now
that I can't even begin to describe. So we'll let
him do that. That's House Bill thirteen twelve. But on
the line with us is a representative Jarvis Caldwell.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
How you doing heany?
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Steve, thanks so much for having me and I appreciate
the intro music.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well you picked that.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, So I can't think of anything more appropriate than
what you're dealing with down there at the State House
right now, because there's a whole lot of smoke and
mirrors going on, I'm certain, But tell us a little
bit about the dust up you had and kind of
what has that turned into. I know you've done some
Fox News stuff and of course this big show. So
just tell the listeners kind of what you ran into.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Yes, sir, So for your listeners who haven't heard yet,
he'se built thirteen twelve. It's a it's called legal protections
for transgender individuals, but it's way more than that. And
the bottom line of it is in legal custody disputes
that the bill orders a judge to side with the
parent who affirms the gender identity delusions of the child right,
(19:56):
and the parent who doesn't go along with that, and
once again help for the child is considered committing child
abuse and therefore loses custody. And I mean, this is
just really it's lit a fire and parents in Colorado.
The Christian community has just come out incredible over the
last couple of weeks, and I have so many videos
(20:18):
sent to me of pastors speaking from the pulpit about
this and just trying to rally people together to come
out against this.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
So how does a bill like this get introduced without
just getting attacked? And I know this is kind of
a setup, but how did this bill kind of fly
under the radar for so long?
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah, So the thing is is it got introduced on
the House floor on March twenty eighth, which is a Friday,
in the evening after we already adjourned for the day,
unless the speaker usually stays behind and just kind of
does some for work introducing bills, assigning bills. So all
of us went home for the weekend, none of us
had heard about it. And then that following Monday, the
(20:58):
Chairman Javier Maybray kind of casually said, oh, yeah, by
the way, tomorrow we're going to hear this bill in committee.
And once we started looking up the bill, we realized
how bad it was. So we had less than twenty
four hours to prepare for this bill when we found
out in testimony that they'd been working on this bill
for over a year.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Of course, of course, so all right, you get into
a little bit of a dust up by making a
comment about hey, we're gonna we're going to risk federal
funding or something along those lines for the state of Colorado.
Who was that exchange with and kind of what is
that dovetailed into? I know, like I said, you got
a lot of national attention for your comments. How'd that go?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Yeah, So something that the Republicans and I have kept
kind of pushing. We keep running these bills these like
immigration bills and these transgender bills and just anti printal
rights bills and gun bills, and I feel like the
Democrats and the legislature are doing this like specifically to
kind of the eye of President Trump. So we keep
(22:02):
running amendments that say, if the federal government, if this
risk funds, and they threatened fund this bill is automatically repealed,
and we did it with this bill, and the Democrats
have killed it every time. I almost think at this
point they want that to happen so they can play
victim and you know, big bad Trump.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, you know, in all fairness, I mean, I don't
know why the federal the federal government wouldn't look at
withdrawing some funds from the state of Colorado. I mean,
there's there's a multitude of reasons, whether it's you know,
being a sanctuary state or passing stuff like this. I mean,
I think these bills do put federal funding for the
state at risk. And to your point, yeah, it would
be it would be foolish for them to actually make
(22:45):
that happen. But then again, they're kind of the party
of foolishness right now.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Yeah, and it's it's even crazier than that. So the
Speaker of the House does introduced the bill. It's her bill,
it's House Bill thirteen twenty one. And I don't think
this is on many people's radars right now, but we're
we're setting aside four million dollars from our infrastructure fund,
specifically four potential lawsuits from the federal government if they
try to take funding. So we're taking from our infrastructure fund,
(23:13):
our taxpayer money, and saying that we're going to use
this to fight the federal government if they do threaten
to take funds from us. And that's a bill that
just came out, I think, last week, and hasn't really
got a lot of attention at all.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So what would that infrastructure fund normally be used for?
I think I can probably put two and two together.
But if it wasn't to fight back against the federal government,
what would that money typically get used for.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Well, I hope it'd be used for potholes, because I
cracked my rim zone know how many times driving back
and forth to Opaso County every day.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well, I can tell you pothole took on a whole
different meeting today when I was driving down the highway
and I was sitting in a big cloud of pot smoke.
So yeah, in this state, you know, our spending and
our efforts are definitely misguided. So while we got you
just for a little bit, representative called well, educate the
voters about the area that you represent and kind of
(24:07):
what your desire is or what your passion is down
there at the State House. I know you're fighting against
everything down there, but where do you represent and kind
of what's your background so people can get more involved
in following you and getting to know you a little better.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yes, sir, So I'm northern Olpaso County. So i have
the Air Force Academy, which is very fitting because I'm
an Air Force veteran monument Palmer Lake Black Force and
souton Colorado. And my background is I was ten years
in the United States Air Force. I have a wife
and two kids. My wife is retired Air Force twenty
two and a half years. And you know, the big
(24:43):
thing I ran on was safety and security. So I
sit on Judiciary Committee and I hear all these horrible
bills that the Democrats are running. They're trying to put
more more criminals back out onto the streets. And while
we're trying to make sure we protect our community members
and keep the criminals off the streets. So that's a
big thing for me. I was in the jagquarps. I
(25:04):
was an enlisted paralegal and so I used to sit
in on court martials and you know, making sure we
got justice for victims. So I do have that criminal
justice background. But I'm also a charter school board member
and I have two kids in elementary school, so education,
school choice, parntal rights are big issues for me. And
this is this house built thirteen twelve. This is a
(25:27):
big parntal rights fight for me.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I mean, you know, I feel for anybody who's having
to deal with a kid who's you know, going through
this transgender question in their mind. But to magnify it
with a bill that is placed before us. I can't
imagine a parent trying to navigate, you know, a very
complex situation with their kid, and you hope nobody has
(25:50):
to go through that. But if they are going through that,
to throw this fuel on the fire, it seems like
it's it's not in a it's nothing good, right.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
Yeah. The point I keep making is this is their ideology, right.
They put it in commercials, they put it in Disney movies,
they put it in our schools, and they push it
on our kids. This wasn't a thing twenty thirty years ago,
but they push it on our kids. And then they say,
if we're not okay with it and we don't go
along with it, then we were losing custody of our
kids and we're committing child abuse. And I'm not okay
(26:22):
with that, and I think most color Reddins aren't either.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
So in the testimony for this bill, what's been the
balance is it? You know, has it been overwhelmingly supportive
of the bill? Negative of the bill? Like, what are
you saying from the public. I mean, I think this
is getting a lot of traction, But are people showing up?
And what does the testimony look like?
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Yeah, So we had two hundred and twenty witnesses for
this bill when it went through House Judiciary Committee, and
about half of that was people in opposition. And remember
that was less than twenty four hours of notice.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
And so I think when they finally assign it to
a CINIC committee, it's going to be gigantic. I mean,
I'm I'm hoping we break a record, the biggest I've
ever seen for a committee was like six hundred and
fifty for a gun bill. I think that was SP three.
I think we'll get a thousand people that show up
to testify against this bill. And I think they haven't
assigned it yet to a Senate committee because they realize
(27:16):
the national backlash. And Loreina Garcia, the sponsor of this
in the House, she posted over the weekend on her
blue Sky account, which is like the liberal Twitter that
the main she called it, mainstream LGBT groups are trying
to kill this bill behind the scenes, which is the
first I've heard of it. But I think even their
(27:36):
side of the aisle realizes the backlash.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The still, yeah, it's just so unpopular.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, Representative cauld Well, we really appreciate you coming on
with us, and quite frankly, we'd love for you to
keep in touch and kind of let us know where
this bill travels when it does hit the Senate and
it's time to get the word out there. I'm sure
Dan or Ryan, we'll be happy to get you back
on so you can draw attention to the bill. And again,
thanks for being on the show and thanks for educating us.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Yes, sir, thank you for having me very much.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
All right, you listening to the Dankapleas Show. You got
Sheriff Steve Reims setting in for the day. We're going
to cut to a break and I want to come back.
We'll take a few more phone calls about Senate Bill
twenty five Dash three.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Welcome back to the Dan Capleas Show. You got Steve
Reams setting in for the day. But I want to
get right to this. We've got a guest on the line.
This is a short segment, so I want to make
sure we can cover as much ground as possible. We
have Ian Escalante with the Rocky Mountain Gun owners. Ian,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Hey, Sheriff Reams, thank you so much for having me on.
Can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I can hear you? Great, I so can the listeners. Hey.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I wanted to have you on the show because we've
we've been talking a lot about Senate Bill three and
I know I'm getting asked a ton of questions about, Hey,
what are the sheriffs going to do? Can you stand
up against this? And I'm sure you're getting asked a
lot of those same questions about what's Rocky Mountain Gun
owners going to do now, is there a lawsuit in
the works. Where are you guys out on this now?
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
So I want to address obviously the issue at hand,
which is Centate Bill three. What Jared Polas did was
one of the most disgraceful things in our state and
honestly our nation's history, by signing a opening up the
floodgates for full scale civilian disarmament in the state of Colorado.
I want to be abundantly clear. They're trying to say, Oh,
(29:21):
this is just training, Oh this is just a way
to make sure we're getting guns in the right hand.
This is opening the door for civilian disarmament. We've seen
it in Illinois, it's happening in Washington right now, and
it's about to start happening here. What RMGO is planning
to do is, we have a couple of things in mind.
First things first, we're going to be start right now
working overtime to recruit candidates and get people trained up
(29:45):
so they can run for office in twenty twenty six,
and ensure that accountability comes to the Democrats who voted
for this piece of legislation. We cannot let them get
away with this.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I'm Glad you said piece of legislation and not what
I was thinking, So keep going exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
The next thing is, we have a team of some
of the best Second Amendment attorneys and legal experts in
the nation. We're sitting down right now and formulating a
legal strategy on how we're going to combat this. Sure,
it's a little bit more difficult to beat in court
than an outright ban, not because it's any less unconstitutional,
(30:26):
but because when you have the liberal judges in the
Tenth Circuit, many of whom were appointed by Barack Obama
and Joe Biden, they are looking for any excuse to
dismiss this a case against gun control and try to
create new precedent. That's their strategy against the Brewing decision
now is they just want to override it with new precedent.
(30:48):
So hopefully ten year, ten to fifteen years down the road,
when the Supreme Court is not as conservative as it
is today, they then can overturn Brewin and fully have
the Supreme Court a staffablish that this garbage is constitutional.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. You know, one
of the things I've seen in the bill is how
open ended it is. I mean, it doesn't even put
time restrictions on how long a sheriff has to issue
these cards. You know, there's a bunch of questions about
when you take the class, how soon do you have
to come in and are after your issued a card,
how soon do you have to go take the class.
There's just a whole bunch of open ended stuff here
(31:23):
that you know, I guess if you're going to attack
the bill, that's that's the way to start is just
by how you know, how poorly written it is.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Absolutely and I mean, we see this happening in Los
Angeles County right now, where they set up this new
permanent system for concealed carrier licenses, and now people are
waiting two years to obtain their government permission slip to
quote unquote allow them to exercise their god given rights
(31:54):
twenty four months, and the state of Illinois their firearm
Owner's ID card is taking sometimes eighteen months for people
to get their applications proved process and then to actually
obtain their permit to purchase and possess, which is that's
where we're headed. We're headed towards firearm uner ID card.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I don't disagree with you, but one of the challenges,
as you've probably you're probably well aware. This thing doesn't
go into effect until August first of twenty twenty six,
so creating standing is a challenge. And also there's there's
been no discussion about what fees are going to be
around this, and we know fees are just a tax,
but you know, the state's going to set a fee
(32:36):
for what it costs you to apply for this permit,
and then sheriffs on top of that are probably going
to add some fees to cover the cost of administering
this program. I mean, this could get pretty exorbitant. And
there's no cap. I mean, it doesn't say where it stops.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
No, and it doesn't that's the point. I mean what
I said, I said this the day the bill was signed.
I said, Senate Bill three is a minute straight of
ban disuise as a permit to purchase system. That's what
it is. They can't paign the guns outright, but they
can they can just not issue you your license or
(33:11):
make it to where you can't even take a class.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, just slow, that's.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
What they're trying to do.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah, I said earlier in the show, I've I've read
a lot of bad bills, but this one probably takes
the cake. I mean, whoever wrote it, which whichever version
you want to look at, they it was almost like
it was their first attempt at writing law. And maybe
that helps in a in a lawsuit against this thing.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Well, I can tell you this that what they did
is that if they were looking for a most terrible,
uncontrolled bill with so many moving parts and a severability clause,
that it's harder to just take the bill down in
one fell swoop. Whoever wrote this bill deserves a raise
because they did a darn good job of doing it.
(33:59):
But that's not going to stop us. We're going to
keep fighting it. The other thing we're doing is it's
been a deliberate effort to come out and turn Colorado
into ground zero for radical gun control. We've had over
thirty gun control bills filed in the last three years alone,
(34:21):
and that is why we are actually armed you as
a petition to Attorney General Pam Bondi, and we're going
to put pressure on her and we're going to urge
her to step in here and say, listen, something has
to be done.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Well, Ian, I appreciate the efforts that you and the
Rocky Mountain gun owners are providing in this effort. We
got to get rid of this thing. It's bad legislation
all the way around. But I think everybody needs to
know this is going to be a long road, so
don't walk away from it. Keep supporting the guys that
are fighting the fight. And Ian, thanks for being on
with us. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Thank you, Cherff.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I have a good one, all right.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. When we come
back after break, we're gonna have a few callers and
some text message to get to about Senatebille twenty five
dash three. Thanks for listening with us again, Dan Kaplas
on six point thirty K how
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