April 24, 2025 • 34 mins
Dr. Travis Morrell discusses the Deadnaming bill (HB25-1312) and the harmful genital mutilations conducted in hospitals across Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello, Hello, and thank you for listening today. My name
is Wayne Laguson. I'm in for Dan. You probably have
never heard of me. I am a member of the
Gazette's editorial board. I write a lot of the editorials
for the Gazette in Denver and Colorado Springs. Don't take
anything I say here today as reflecting what the other
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five editorial board members think. We write collectively, we talk
about issues and decide what the institutional voice is. I'm
just here as myself today filling in for Dan, who
I've known for a long time. So it's great to
be here, and today we're going to talk about a
number of issues involving children. The first the books that
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are found in elementary and middle school libraries right here
in Colorado. We all know about the Supreme Court case
involving Montgomery County, Maryland that's been in the news a lot.
I think a lot of people don't realize that we
have some extraordinarily inappropriate books in libraries all across Colorado,
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and we're going to talk about that. But first we're
going to talk about something even more serious than that,
I think, which is female genital mutilation. Not just females,
males as well. This is something that the United States
has worked hard against for many, many years because it
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was going on in primitive cultures in underdeveloped countries. So
our State Department has been working on this most at
least most of my life. I've heard about it. And
so here is a statement, a current statement that one
can find on the State Department's website, and it says,
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the United States is committed to ending female genital mutilation.
If you believe you are at risk of FMG female
genital mutilation, know of someone at risk, or have questions
about it, or have undergone this procedure and need help
or further information, please contact the number below. The State
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Department defines female genital mutilation and cutting as all procedures
involving partial or total removal of the external female genitalia
or other injury to the female genital organs for non
medical reasons. So they're against this across the board, ostensibly
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our state department that reflects the values of Americans. Americans
think that children should be left alone, own to flourish,
and that no one at a young age should have
their sexuality altered. What might what you might not know
and understand, is how prevalent this is in the United States,
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particularly here in far left leaning Colorado, where we have
legislators who many of them are appointed, who lean far
to the left of the general public. And this is
an accepted practice at hospitals from the east side, northeast,
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southwest Colorado. And we're going to have a doctor in
here who this is doctor Travis Terrell, is going to
come in and tell us about this procede, these procedures
and how common they are and how harmful they are.
He helps people who are transitioning from these type of surgeries.
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But this is going on with eight year olds in
our state. We're talking the kind of genital mutilation that
this country has fought globally for decades and probably more so.
We're going to talk to him about that here in
the United when it's done, When this procedure is done
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in you know foreign countries, say, you know, Somalia, Mali,
all over Africa. This is usually rooted in a cultural
or religious tradition. Somehow it's become acceptable in the United
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States because it is rooted in gender ideology. I don't
know why gender ideology is a more acceptable reason to
do this than and a religious belief. An ideology is essentially,
it's a lot like a religious belief it's a set
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of beliefs, it's a set of values, a set of morals.
And we haven't we've we've intervened in this, like I say,
around the globe, yet here in Colorado it's more common
than you probably think. So we're gonna have doctor Travis
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on to talk about this, and I'd be very interested
in any phone calls or text messages that deal with
this topic. So go ahead and and try to contact
us either either with text messages or you can call
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in at three zero three seven to one three eight
two five five. That again is three zero three seven
to one three eight two five five. Now I had
doc I said it wrong before, Doctor Morrel, Doctor Travis Morrel.
I had him on my podcast a week or two ago,
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and you can listen to that later if you want it.
He goes very in depth. We did it more than
an hour of podcast on this and it is just
atrocious what is happening. It almost brought me to tears
to hear about some of what is going on. So
you can find that easily at wayne'sword dot co. That's
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Wayne's word, no L. It's not like Wayne's world, but close.
Wayne'sword dot co no M. Not a calm, but it's co.
So if you want to check that out later after
the show today, if you're interested in this, you can go.
We can. We went into a lot of detail. And
so this is happening at the same time and you
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heard Ryan talk about this earlier. This is happening at
the same time that Colorado is about to put a
dead naming bill on the desk of Governor Jared Poulis.
I suspect he's likely to sign it. I have heard
no indication otherwise. He has signed some egregious bills this
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session and before. And I like Governor Polis, I consider
him a friend. But he's being dragged around by legislators
who are considerably far left of him, and you know,
he tends to want to appease these people. So this
dead naming bill relates, It actually relates to childhood genital mutilation,
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and doctor Morrell is going to explain that relationship to us. Basically,
once we open that can of worms. And this is
the law that says you may lose custody if you're
in a custody battle and you accidentally call a child
who you named Johnny, you call him Johnny instead of Susie,
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you could lose custody and a court battle. This is
an extremely dangerous precedent to set. And what doctor Morrell
has explained to me is that once you start with
this and it catches on, it becomes a sort of
a tipping point. It's already popular in schools. Uh there
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are there are classrooms where more than half of the
children are identifying as a gender that other than the
way they were created at conception and identified at birth.
So this has become sort of a a social epidemic,
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so to speak. It's it's popular, it's fashionable, it's way
to and I think these children are being told that
the way you were created is not right, it's not
good enough. To be better, you need to change, and
that's a really unfortunate message for any child to hear.
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I think all children are created equally and perfect just
as they are. But maybe some of you listeners have
a very different view of that, and i'd be I
would be happy to hear that, either through texts or
if you want to call in and discuss it. But
I believe this to be the case, and this is
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what doctor Morrell has said. Once you go down that
road and you start almost encouraging children, there are a
lot of perverse incentives here for children to do this.
Then you're going to see a lot more of these
sex change operations and puberty blocking drugs administered to children.
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I've got to take a break and we'll be right
back after this, and hopefully doctor Morrell will join us
at that time.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That's right, that's right. It's Wayne's word here, inspired by
Wayne's world. That's kind of how I come across on
the radio, and you know, like Wayne of Wayne and
Garth totally yeah, totally, totally dude. So we're going to
have join us here in a minute, doctor Travis Morrell.
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He's going to talk expertly about what I introduced at
the first part of the show. And so I don't
know if doctor Morrell is with us yet, but if
he is, doctor Morrell, welcome.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah, thank you, Thank Wayne, thanks.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
For having me. Hey, thanks for being on. I really
appreciate it. I enjoyed our lengthy discussion a week a
few weeks ago, and I just wanted to share that
with our listeners today on Dan's show, which I'm filling
in for. So, first, tell us a little bit about yourself.
You're a physician, an MD physician practicing in Grand Junction, Colorado,
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and I understand that you have had some limited experience
early in your career actually helping with gender transitions. Could
you elaborate a little bit on that.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Sure, Thanks Wayne, and yeah, it's always good to talk
to you. You like people on both sides and you invite
them both on and I love your perspective, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, my first few years as a doctor, I was
providing gender afferring care to adults at times, which is
something At the time. I was the only doctor in
the clinic that I worked at that would do that.
This is uncommon. This is in the early twenty tens,
and people didn't really know much about it, and I
just accepted that this stuff, but they were giving us
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from the world Professional Association Transgender Health, which is called WPATH,
was a medical organization, and over the years we've seen
more and more that it's actually an activist organization dressed
up as a medical organization. This became really obvious when
they started recommending this more and more for kids, which
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kids are developing, and you're stunting their growth of their
brain if you put them on puberty blockers. You're potentially
taking away their adult choices if you put them on
these medicines and sex hormones as a kid, and obviously
you're making these people have less choices as an adult.
And we know that many of these kids may grow
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up and be gay or lesbian and or or not.
But these kids don't really have a lot of choices
if they've already been stunted with pubery blockers, put on
cross sex hormones, or even operate on all of which
is legal and even paid for by Colorado State Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay, I want to make something real clear up front here.
You know this is all rooted in sort of an
lgbt QIA civil rights movement, which I'm not opposed to
at all, and I don't think you are. I don't
mind what adults do with their bodies. That's not really
any of my business. I'm pretty much agnostic on that.
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But this is presented to the public when when anyone
tries to object to this type of medical treatment, this
medical procedure on a young person, on somebody who's not
even a teenager. Yet in many cases it's righteous. We're
supposed to think that it's righteous, and that if you
oppose this, then you're some sort of a hater who's
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being judgmental against someone who believes if you can believe
at seven or eight years old that you were born
in the wrong body, that we're being judgmental and antagonistic
of that person. That's not my position at all. I'm
just saying, these are children. I don't want children getting
permanent tattoos. For that matter.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Well, when you're to be right, and this is what
really triggered me on this topic was when I realized, Wow,
if everything that they're saying is true, but then and
all these medicines we do, these medicines, these kids when
they grow up, if no longer boys on the medicaid
protocol we do in Colorado won't be able to I'll
try to choose my words carefully. I don't know what
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the roles are for radio, but won't be able to
enjoy full relationships with their partners, gay or straight, or
if they do decide to have trans surgery as an adult,
they'll have to do riskier ones, they'll have less options.
You're like, wow, this is really hurting the people that
it's supposedly helping, And especially when you look at we
have years and years of VEDA where most of these kids,
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in fact, maybe ninety eight percent or more of the
boys grow out of this on their own if you just.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Don't medicate them.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
And so obviously some of these kids not only are
regretting it, they are regretting it and you're taking these
choices away from them. And so if you want the
best for these kids, you want to preserve their choices
and their healthy bodies when they're an adult.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Now, some of this is just puberty blockers as opposed
to mass sectomies that would be something more extreme. Yeah,
go ahead, you know, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
I just interrupted because it's something that comes up a lot. So, yes,
Colorado does allow miss sect to me at age fifteen.
Hospitals and clinics or advertise at fifteen and sixteen and
obviously taking off amputating cutting off both breasts of a
child of a young girls is wrong for when they're healthy.
But puberty blockers really do the same thing. It's just
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that you start earlier. You're still The point of so
called gender firming care is to alter their body. Many
of us would say mutilate, but it's you're altering their body,
that's the point. That's what they're trying to do. They're
permanently altering their body to make it look different. That's
the whole point. So just like the surgeries permanently alter
the body and take away functioning breasts and breast feeding
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nurturing the immune system, so puberty blockers take away and
change the body permanently too. There's they do drop people
like you when these kids, when they're on it their intelligence,
their brain, and there's no evidence that that recovers.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Not to mention.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
If boys, for example, are on the puberty blockers as
a kid, which can started in Colorado from age to thirteen,
the hormones might fall around thirteen or sixteen.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
If they continue on.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
That to adulthood, they basically have genitalia that are many
times smaller than they should be and don't work, and
that's admitted by the people on the other side, so
to speak. So you know, the puberty blockers and hormones,
the medicines aren't in some way just safer or better
than surgery. They have the same purpose that to permanently
change the body, and.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You never get can you go through puberty later if
you change your mind, somebody put you on a puberty blocker,
maybe with well intentions when you're eight, nine, ten years old.
Puberty happens at different times. We all know that. Can
you get that back?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Well, there's definitely no puberty in your twenty years or dirties, right,
We've seen that for thousands of years. People kind of
grow up and get big brains and bodies in other
ways when they're you know, ten or so till when
they're twenty. That's that's when it happens. There's no second chance.
Even for the few times that intercanal just do put
kids on puberty blockers for disorders, they.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Are hesited to have them on it for very.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Long because the effects are lasting and the risks are
high to bone, brain and obviously.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
In this case to the generals Okay, we have to
take a quick break here. Do you mind doctor Morrell
staying on for the next segment? I have more questions?
Love it?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Okay, thank you. So we are going to get back
with doctor Morrell in a moment. We have some commercial
break coming up, and uh again, please if you want,
if you want to see learn more about this. After
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Co and you'll see where we did more than an
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hour of a podcast with doctor Morrell and he'll be
back right with us after this break.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Hello and welcome back. I'm Wayne Loguson filling in for
Dan Capless and we're still visiting with doctor Travis Morrell,
who we brought in on the last segment, and we
were talking about puberty blockers and the fact that you
don't get a second chance at puberty. So all sorts
of things happen to your body that are permanent that
you live with for the rest of your life based
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on a decision that either you made at eight, nine,
ten years old or somebody coerced you into it, and
then you live with this for the rest of your life.
I'm sure with some patients who do this, it's fine
and that's what they want for the rest of their life.
But I am my wife and I are we have
six children together and all of them are boys, and
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I can tell you how dramatic changes are in puberty
because I've had little boys who like to play with
dolls and do girl things, and I didn't have a
problem with that. I love my kids. However they turn
out as fine. I had one who was a cheerleader
and a thespian, and he hung around with girls exclusively
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at his Catholic school, and I've had I've seen this
happen and then within a couple of months he had
given all that up and he was a bull rider.
So and I asked him, what is going on. You've
changed all your all of your interests, everything has changed.
He said, I went through puberty in November, Dad, and
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I kind of chuckled about that, but it's an that's
my experience. That's one of several where I've seen tremendous
changes in a person's personality and interests after going through puberty.
So doctor Morrell, could you address that a little bit
about how important it is to go through puberty before
you know enough about yourself to make lifelong decisions.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Well, I think you need to allow kids to go
through puberty.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think that's a human right.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Just like you wouldn't take away kids' car keys before
they even got a car, you shouldn't take away their
ability to make relationship decisions, including sexual ones, and before
they've even had any kind of sexual ability or experience.
How it's hard enough to make decisions when you're in
high school for a job you want to do when
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you grow up. I think about making a decision in
fourth or fifth or sixth grade about what kind of
relationships you're going to have an adult when you're in
fourth or fifth to sixth grade.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I mean, that's completely nuts.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You help people who have made these decisions early in
life who are now tr de transitioning and going back
to the way that they were created that correct? Are
you helping with that? And what are you hearing from
people who are going through the detransitioning process.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah, not clinically. I don't do that clinically, but I
do have friends and people that I work with, and
like Evan de Lacruz, who's Colorado's first public d transitioner
who she feels like those were years wasted, and she
has a lot of scars and harm. She lost her breast,
she lost her ovaries, which have long term, long term
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effects on your hormone health and bone health. And she also,
i mean, she had very severe vowel damage due to
she had five or six surgeries in a year and
a half.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And so, yeah, there are some long term effects of this.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
And what happens is this seems like a really cool
thing when all your friends are doing it. Then studies
show that a lot of times kids like most of
their friends and their friend group will also be trans
or have some kind of non binary gender or sexuality.
And then on the internet often they'll spend as much
as four and a half hours a day more than
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other kids, which is already a lot right now. And
so they're spending all this time online, all the time
with friends that are reinforcing it, reinforcing it, and it's
fun and you got flags, and it's great, and the
teachers are telling you you're great, and the doctor's telling
you great when you go in. But then when you're
twenty or twenty five or thirty and you want to
have kids, or you know, you might realize your sexuality
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is not what you thought it was, or and now
what do you do? And so that's when regret hits,
and that could be painful to listen to.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, one of the things that advocates of this tell
us is it's good for kids, because otherwise, if a
child is in fact born in the wrong body or
believes that that child is susceptible to suicidal ideation or
outright suicide, is that true.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Well, we know that the suicide rate is often used
to blackmail parents and legislators. Luke Thomas Healy is a
de transition in California who was told when he was
ten or twelve by his therapist, you need to tell
your parents that you're going to kill yourself so that
they let you get these medicines. And so we know
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that that happens.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
But when they've done studies, the best studies fifteen thousand
kids at the top gender clinic in the UK, they
found that actually the suicide risk isn't the forty some
percent that often people threaten parents with.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Sometimes they say almost fifty percent. It's something more like
zero point zero three percent per year. So you know,
four and fifteen thousand, which I wish it was zero
When I was a kid, I mean, the suicide risk
was so much lower, and I wish it was zero.
But I am glad to say that it's much less
than point one percent, and we shouldn't be making huge
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scars from kids' bodies, taking away their function for a
blackmail suicide.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Lie, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You've called this a social contagion, almost like a mental
disease that is spreading. Could you explain that to the
audience a little bit, And if it's a social contagion,
a lot of this must be happening simply because it
is in fashion.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, so you're right.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
So I can't take credit for the social social contagent term,
but yes, it is called that because they've noticed in
surveys that sometimes, you know, almost ninety percent of kids
that identify as transcender, they say, belong to your friend
group where maybe most of the other kids are.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Or are very very heavily online involved in this.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Clearly, if you just remember, say the nineties or early
two thousands, when just this wasn't really common, and then
all of a sudden the past five years or so,
it's become very common. If you look even in twenty fourteen,
just ten eleven years ago, there is less than half,
less than half. There's about half a percent of kids
that did this, and now.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
You're looking at three some people say five percent.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
At some of these colleges, the rate of somebody being
trans is five to seven percent. It can be twenty
or twenty five percent of kids are LGBTQ identifying. So,
in other words, this is something that went from like, oh,
you know, I'm gonna have sushi once in a while,
to all the restaurants in my towns serve sushi.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
It's it's clearly.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Something's going on, and I don't think it's a coincidence
that it paralleled the tumbler read it and Instagram and
some of the other things that started passing these ideas around.
And clearly there's some medical and legal and some other
components as well. Speaking of legal, I just want to
break for you real quick. It's this bill that we're
talking about, thirteen twelve was just scheduled for a committee
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Wednesday in Judiciary. So this is a real thing right now.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
This is the dead naming bill. Now, this is a
dead naming bill. So if if I have a child
who is born as a girl baby and I named
her Susie and then she wants to be called Tom.
This would be a good way for me to get
in some serious trouble with the law if this bill
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goes through and is signed the way that it is
written right now, and could you talk to that? And
also I'd like to know how this relates to this
sort of epidemic of gender transitions, physical hard physical gender transitions.
Do you expect this to play a role in that
to cause more of them?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Perhaps, Well, we're talking about bill HB twenty five, thirteen twelve.
It just got scheduled for thanks and the Judiciary bill
on Wednesday at one point thirty just a respond and
answer your question. Yes, and that and it will encourage
social transition, which is basically changing your kid's name and
have addressed different use different pronouns than their actual sex.
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And yeah, I do expect that to increase the amount
of medical and surgical harm on kids, because again for
decades that when occasional kids express this gender confusion, nobody
scarred them up, and they grew to adulthood and most
kids grew out of it, grew out of even having
to discomfort, and so clearly if the numbers have gone.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Up by you know, four six times or something.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Obviously a lot of these kids don't need these medicines
and surgeries for sure, most, if not all, for sure
all I would say. And so yeah, basically if it
requires parents and adults to kind of confirm this in kids,
adults like doctors, and this bill is going to mandate that.
And specifically this bill thirteen twelve number one, like you said,
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for parents, if they miss gender or dead name, which
is to say, use the kid's actual.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Legal name that they give them, that they gave them
at birth.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
If you do that, then and you're in, say a
custody battle, that can be the point that takes away
your kids. And just to be clear, Colorado is already
doing that. You can google Robert Cameron. They and I
know other.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Dads as well.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
They've taken away the kid from dads and then chemically
castrated the kid at local hospitals because they call it
a course. From what I'm hearing inside with a parent
who wants to medicate and sterilize. And then it's important
just to add that this bill not only controls the
speech of people at home, also any business, So I
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would think for radio that would be the truth for sure.
Newspaper misgendering or dead naming is their terms that they
use for using actual names and pronouns. That is also
going to be a civil rights violation, which as you know,
can be defined or what gorcias is called re education.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yes, and public places of public accommodation. That's pretty much
everywhere that anyone can do business. So doctor Morrell, thank
you very much for joining us today. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me wing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
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as the text says here, he is the notorious late
term abortionist, retiring after sixty plus years of murdering helpless babies.
The entire Clark and Co. Now, we don't need to
read that. So he's proud of this. He said as
(31:27):
much when he announced his retirement yesterday. And he has
terminated at least forty five thousand pregnancies over those years.
And he is no longer practicing in Colorado, and it
looks like the clinic probably will stay closed. That was
what he said. Few people are willing to do what
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he does. He had a lot of death threats, and
I think a lot of people just don't want to
make a lifestyle out of a living doing that. Another
another text we have says gay activists went from encouraging
tolerance of their ideology, which is fine. I'm just adding
that I think it's a I don't think anybody should
(32:12):
be mistreated because of their uh, because of their gender
identity or their sexual identity. There that I think that
was a fine civil rights movement, but it's gone way
beyond that, as this text says, They've gone from that
absolutely encouraging gay behavior. They began indoctrinating children into thinking
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that it is okay to me marry either a girl
or a boy, whatever you choose, completely changing from a
boy to a girl. And he says, shame on us
for being steamrolled into this. He's not wrong. I don't
even mind if young people are introduced to the possibility
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that when they are older, after they've gone through puberty,
they may be attracted to someone of the same sex.
That's not the issue here. The issue is that they
are forcing this on children. They're doing it with the
books that are chosen in the libraries, with the lectures
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that are given in classrooms, even and they've taken it
out of out of health and biology classes. And now
this is, as was mentioned by one of the Supreme
Court justices this week, this is now in English classes.
I think we have we have a clip of that
number seven. If you want to put that on Ryan.
(33:41):
This would be Justice Katanji Brown Jackson explaining that these
and this is not a right wing associate by any
by any means, Mister.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Schoenfeld, What is that purpose? I mean, I thought the
answer to Justice Kavanaugh's question.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
Was that the school board was explicit that the books
were to be used only to supplement the English language
Arts curriculum as reading instruction, and not to teach about
gender or sexuality.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
So it wasn't as.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Though the books were being introduced for.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
The purpose of enhancing the gender and sexuality component and
therefore people can opt out of that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It was that we're talking.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
About English here, and in addition to the other kinds.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Of picture books we have on the shelf and.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
We talk about in class, we're going to introduce these
books as well. I think that seems pretty infeasible in
English when you're talking about reading instruction, that every time
this particular kind of book comes out, we have to
start letting people leave the classroom.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I agree with you. So there you have it. This
is not just something where it's a biology class or
a sex education class and the child and the parent
can just simply opt out of it. They now take
it into other courseworks such as English curriculum,
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Hello, Hello, and thank you for listening today. My name
is Wayne Laguson. I'm in for Dan. You probably have
never heard of me. I am a member of the
Gazette's editorial board. I write a lot of the editorials
for the Gazette in Denver and Colorado Springs. Don't take
anything I say here today as reflecting what the other
(00:38):
five editorial board members think. We write collectively, we talk
about issues and decide what the institutional voice is. I'm
just here as myself today filling in for Dan, who
I've known for a long time. So it's great to
be here, and today we're going to talk about a
number of issues involving children. The first the books that
(01:01):
are found in elementary and middle school libraries right here
in Colorado. We all know about the Supreme Court case
involving Montgomery County, Maryland that's been in the news a lot.
I think a lot of people don't realize that we
have some extraordinarily inappropriate books in libraries all across Colorado,
(01:28):
and we're going to talk about that. But first we're
going to talk about something even more serious than that,
I think, which is female genital mutilation. Not just females,
males as well. This is something that the United States
has worked hard against for many, many years because it
(01:49):
was going on in primitive cultures in underdeveloped countries. So
our State Department has been working on this most at
least most of my life. I've heard about it. And
so here is a statement, a current statement that one
can find on the State Department's website, and it says,
(02:10):
the United States is committed to ending female genital mutilation.
If you believe you are at risk of FMG female
genital mutilation, know of someone at risk, or have questions
about it, or have undergone this procedure and need help
or further information, please contact the number below. The State
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Department defines female genital mutilation and cutting as all procedures
involving partial or total removal of the external female genitalia
or other injury to the female genital organs for non
medical reasons. So they're against this across the board, ostensibly
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our state department that reflects the values of Americans. Americans
think that children should be left alone, own to flourish,
and that no one at a young age should have
their sexuality altered. What might what you might not know
and understand, is how prevalent this is in the United States,
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particularly here in far left leaning Colorado, where we have
legislators who many of them are appointed, who lean far
to the left of the general public. And this is
an accepted practice at hospitals from the east side, northeast,
(03:38):
southwest Colorado. And we're going to have a doctor in
here who this is doctor Travis Terrell, is going to
come in and tell us about this procede, these procedures
and how common they are and how harmful they are.
He helps people who are transitioning from these type of surgeries.
(04:02):
But this is going on with eight year olds in
our state. We're talking the kind of genital mutilation that
this country has fought globally for decades and probably more so.
We're going to talk to him about that here in
the United when it's done, When this procedure is done
(04:24):
in you know foreign countries, say, you know, Somalia, Mali,
all over Africa. This is usually rooted in a cultural
or religious tradition. Somehow it's become acceptable in the United
(04:46):
States because it is rooted in gender ideology. I don't
know why gender ideology is a more acceptable reason to
do this than and a religious belief. An ideology is essentially,
it's a lot like a religious belief it's a set
(05:09):
of beliefs, it's a set of values, a set of morals.
And we haven't we've we've intervened in this, like I say,
around the globe, yet here in Colorado it's more common
than you probably think. So we're gonna have doctor Travis
(05:29):
on to talk about this, and I'd be very interested
in any phone calls or text messages that deal with
this topic. So go ahead and and try to contact
us either either with text messages or you can call
(05:50):
in at three zero three seven to one three eight
two five five. That again is three zero three seven
to one three eight two five five. Now I had
doc I said it wrong before, Doctor Morrel, Doctor Travis Morrel.
I had him on my podcast a week or two ago,
(06:14):
and you can listen to that later if you want it.
He goes very in depth. We did it more than
an hour of podcast on this and it is just
atrocious what is happening. It almost brought me to tears
to hear about some of what is going on. So
you can find that easily at wayne'sword dot co. That's
(06:34):
Wayne's word, no L. It's not like Wayne's world, but close.
Wayne'sword dot co no M. Not a calm, but it's co.
So if you want to check that out later after
the show today, if you're interested in this, you can go.
We can. We went into a lot of detail. And
so this is happening at the same time and you
(06:59):
heard Ryan talk about this earlier. This is happening at
the same time that Colorado is about to put a
dead naming bill on the desk of Governor Jared Poulis.
I suspect he's likely to sign it. I have heard
no indication otherwise. He has signed some egregious bills this
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session and before. And I like Governor Polis, I consider
him a friend. But he's being dragged around by legislators
who are considerably far left of him, and you know,
he tends to want to appease these people. So this
dead naming bill relates, It actually relates to childhood genital mutilation,
(07:45):
and doctor Morrell is going to explain that relationship to us. Basically,
once we open that can of worms. And this is
the law that says you may lose custody if you're
in a custody battle and you accidentally call a child
who you named Johnny, you call him Johnny instead of Susie,
(08:09):
you could lose custody and a court battle. This is
an extremely dangerous precedent to set. And what doctor Morrell
has explained to me is that once you start with
this and it catches on, it becomes a sort of
a tipping point. It's already popular in schools. Uh there
(08:33):
are there are classrooms where more than half of the
children are identifying as a gender that other than the
way they were created at conception and identified at birth.
So this has become sort of a a social epidemic,
(08:54):
so to speak. It's it's popular, it's fashionable, it's way
to and I think these children are being told that
the way you were created is not right, it's not
good enough. To be better, you need to change, and
that's a really unfortunate message for any child to hear.
(09:15):
I think all children are created equally and perfect just
as they are. But maybe some of you listeners have
a very different view of that, and i'd be I
would be happy to hear that, either through texts or
if you want to call in and discuss it. But
I believe this to be the case, and this is
(09:36):
what doctor Morrell has said. Once you go down that
road and you start almost encouraging children, there are a
lot of perverse incentives here for children to do this.
Then you're going to see a lot more of these
sex change operations and puberty blocking drugs administered to children.
(10:00):
I've got to take a break and we'll be right
back after this, and hopefully doctor Morrell will join us
at that time.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And now back to the Dan Kaplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That's right, that's right. It's Wayne's word here, inspired by
Wayne's world. That's kind of how I come across on
the radio, and you know, like Wayne of Wayne and
Garth totally yeah, totally, totally dude. So we're going to
have join us here in a minute, doctor Travis Morrell.
(10:33):
He's going to talk expertly about what I introduced at
the first part of the show. And so I don't
know if doctor Morrell is with us yet, but if
he is, doctor Morrell, welcome.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah, thank you, Thank Wayne, thanks.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
For having me. Hey, thanks for being on. I really
appreciate it. I enjoyed our lengthy discussion a week a
few weeks ago, and I just wanted to share that
with our listeners today on Dan's show, which I'm filling
in for. So, first, tell us a little bit about yourself.
You're a physician, an MD physician practicing in Grand Junction, Colorado,
(11:09):
and I understand that you have had some limited experience
early in your career actually helping with gender transitions. Could
you elaborate a little bit on that.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Sure, Thanks Wayne, and yeah, it's always good to talk
to you. You like people on both sides and you invite
them both on and I love your perspective, So thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, Mike.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, my first few years as a doctor, I was
providing gender afferring care to adults at times, which is
something At the time. I was the only doctor in
the clinic that I worked at that would do that.
This is uncommon. This is in the early twenty tens,
and people didn't really know much about it, and I
just accepted that this stuff, but they were giving us
(11:49):
from the world Professional Association Transgender Health, which is called WPATH,
was a medical organization, and over the years we've seen
more and more that it's actually an activist organization dressed
up as a medical organization. This became really obvious when
they started recommending this more and more for kids, which
(12:10):
kids are developing, and you're stunting their growth of their
brain if you put them on puberty blockers. You're potentially
taking away their adult choices if you put them on
these medicines and sex hormones as a kid, and obviously
you're making these people have less choices as an adult.
And we know that many of these kids may grow
(12:32):
up and be gay or lesbian and or or not.
But these kids don't really have a lot of choices
if they've already been stunted with pubery blockers, put on
cross sex hormones, or even operate on all of which
is legal and even paid for by Colorado State Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay, I want to make something real clear up front here.
You know this is all rooted in sort of an
lgbt QIA civil rights movement, which I'm not opposed to
at all, and I don't think you are. I don't
mind what adults do with their bodies. That's not really
any of my business. I'm pretty much agnostic on that.
(13:15):
But this is presented to the public when when anyone
tries to object to this type of medical treatment, this
medical procedure on a young person, on somebody who's not
even a teenager. Yet in many cases it's righteous. We're
supposed to think that it's righteous, and that if you
oppose this, then you're some sort of a hater who's
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being judgmental against someone who believes if you can believe
at seven or eight years old that you were born
in the wrong body, that we're being judgmental and antagonistic
of that person. That's not my position at all. I'm
just saying, these are children. I don't want children getting
permanent tattoos. For that matter.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Well, when you're to be right, and this is what
really triggered me on this topic was when I realized, Wow,
if everything that they're saying is true, but then and
all these medicines we do, these medicines, these kids when
they grow up, if no longer boys on the medicaid
protocol we do in Colorado won't be able to I'll
try to choose my words carefully. I don't know what
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the roles are for radio, but won't be able to
enjoy full relationships with their partners, gay or straight, or
if they do decide to have trans surgery as an adult,
they'll have to do riskier ones, they'll have less options.
You're like, wow, this is really hurting the people that
it's supposedly helping, And especially when you look at we
have years and years of VEDA where most of these kids,
(14:38):
in fact, maybe ninety eight percent or more of the
boys grow out of this on their own if you just.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Don't medicate them.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
And so obviously some of these kids not only are
regretting it, they are regretting it and you're taking these
choices away from them. And so if you want the
best for these kids, you want to preserve their choices
and their healthy bodies when they're an adult.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Now, some of this is just puberty blockers as opposed
to mass sectomies that would be something more extreme. Yeah,
go ahead, you know, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
I just interrupted because it's something that comes up a lot. So, yes,
Colorado does allow miss sect to me at age fifteen.
Hospitals and clinics or advertise at fifteen and sixteen and
obviously taking off amputating cutting off both breasts of a
child of a young girls is wrong for when they're healthy.
But puberty blockers really do the same thing. It's just
(15:32):
that you start earlier. You're still The point of so
called gender firming care is to alter their body. Many
of us would say mutilate, but it's you're altering their body,
that's the point. That's what they're trying to do. They're
permanently altering their body to make it look different. That's
the whole point. So just like the surgeries permanently alter
the body and take away functioning breasts and breast feeding
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nurturing the immune system, so puberty blockers take away and
change the body permanently too. There's they do drop people
like you when these kids, when they're on it their intelligence,
their brain, and there's no evidence that that recovers.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Not to mention.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
If boys, for example, are on the puberty blockers as
a kid, which can started in Colorado from age to thirteen,
the hormones might fall around thirteen or sixteen.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
If they continue on.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
That to adulthood, they basically have genitalia that are many
times smaller than they should be and don't work, and
that's admitted by the people on the other side, so
to speak. So you know, the puberty blockers and hormones,
the medicines aren't in some way just safer or better
than surgery. They have the same purpose that to permanently
change the body, and.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You never get can you go through puberty later if
you change your mind, somebody put you on a puberty blocker,
maybe with well intentions when you're eight, nine, ten years old.
Puberty happens at different times. We all know that. Can
you get that back?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Well, there's definitely no puberty in your twenty years or dirties, right,
We've seen that for thousands of years. People kind of
grow up and get big brains and bodies in other
ways when they're you know, ten or so till when
they're twenty. That's that's when it happens. There's no second chance.
Even for the few times that intercanal just do put
kids on puberty blockers for disorders, they.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Are hesited to have them on it for very.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Long because the effects are lasting and the risks are
high to bone, brain and obviously.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
In this case to the generals Okay, we have to
take a quick break here. Do you mind doctor Morrell
staying on for the next segment? I have more questions?
Love it?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Okay, thank you. So we are going to get back
with doctor Morrell in a moment. We have some commercial
break coming up, and uh again, please if you want,
if you want to see learn more about this. After
the show, we go to wayne'sword dot co, Waynsword dot
Co and you'll see where we did more than an
(17:56):
hour of a podcast with doctor Morrell and he'll be
back right with us after this break.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Hello and welcome back. I'm Wayne Loguson filling in for
Dan Capless and we're still visiting with doctor Travis Morrell,
who we brought in on the last segment, and we
were talking about puberty blockers and the fact that you
don't get a second chance at puberty. So all sorts
of things happen to your body that are permanent that
you live with for the rest of your life based
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on a decision that either you made at eight, nine,
ten years old or somebody coerced you into it, and
then you live with this for the rest of your life.
I'm sure with some patients who do this, it's fine
and that's what they want for the rest of their life.
But I am my wife and I are we have
six children together and all of them are boys, and
(19:01):
I can tell you how dramatic changes are in puberty
because I've had little boys who like to play with
dolls and do girl things, and I didn't have a
problem with that. I love my kids. However they turn
out as fine. I had one who was a cheerleader
and a thespian, and he hung around with girls exclusively
(19:23):
at his Catholic school, and I've had I've seen this
happen and then within a couple of months he had
given all that up and he was a bull rider.
So and I asked him, what is going on. You've
changed all your all of your interests, everything has changed.
He said, I went through puberty in November, Dad, and
(19:44):
I kind of chuckled about that, but it's an that's
my experience. That's one of several where I've seen tremendous
changes in a person's personality and interests after going through puberty.
So doctor Morrell, could you address that a little bit
about how important it is to go through puberty before
you know enough about yourself to make lifelong decisions.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Well, I think you need to allow kids to go
through puberty.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
I think that's a human right.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Just like you wouldn't take away kids' car keys before
they even got a car, you shouldn't take away their
ability to make relationship decisions, including sexual ones, and before
they've even had any kind of sexual ability or experience.
How it's hard enough to make decisions when you're in
high school for a job you want to do when
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you grow up. I think about making a decision in
fourth or fifth or sixth grade about what kind of
relationships you're going to have an adult when you're in
fourth or fifth to sixth grade.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I mean, that's completely nuts.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You help people who have made these decisions early in
life who are now tr de transitioning and going back
to the way that they were created that correct? Are
you helping with that? And what are you hearing from
people who are going through the detransitioning process.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah, not clinically. I don't do that clinically, but I
do have friends and people that I work with, and
like Evan de Lacruz, who's Colorado's first public d transitioner
who she feels like those were years wasted, and she
has a lot of scars and harm. She lost her breast,
she lost her ovaries, which have long term, long term
(21:29):
effects on your hormone health and bone health. And she also,
i mean, she had very severe vowel damage due to
she had five or six surgeries in a year and
a half.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And so, yeah, there are some long term effects of this.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
And what happens is this seems like a really cool
thing when all your friends are doing it. Then studies
show that a lot of times kids like most of
their friends and their friend group will also be trans
or have some kind of non binary gender or sexuality.
And then on the internet often they'll spend as much
as four and a half hours a day more than
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other kids, which is already a lot right now. And
so they're spending all this time online, all the time
with friends that are reinforcing it, reinforcing it, and it's
fun and you got flags, and it's great, and the
teachers are telling you you're great, and the doctor's telling
you great when you go in. But then when you're
twenty or twenty five or thirty and you want to
have kids, or you know, you might realize your sexuality
(22:25):
is not what you thought it was, or and now
what do you do? And so that's when regret hits,
and that could be painful to listen to.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, one of the things that advocates of this tell
us is it's good for kids, because otherwise, if a
child is in fact born in the wrong body or
believes that that child is susceptible to suicidal ideation or
outright suicide, is that true.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Well, we know that the suicide rate is often used
to blackmail parents and legislators. Luke Thomas Healy is a
de transition in California who was told when he was
ten or twelve by his therapist, you need to tell
your parents that you're going to kill yourself so that
they let you get these medicines. And so we know
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that that happens.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
But when they've done studies, the best studies fifteen thousand
kids at the top gender clinic in the UK, they
found that actually the suicide risk isn't the forty some
percent that often people threaten parents with.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Sometimes they say almost fifty percent. It's something more like
zero point zero three percent per year. So you know,
four and fifteen thousand, which I wish it was zero
When I was a kid, I mean, the suicide risk
was so much lower, and I wish it was zero.
But I am glad to say that it's much less
than point one percent, and we shouldn't be making huge
(23:48):
scars from kids' bodies, taking away their function for a
blackmail suicide.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Lie, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You've called this a social contagion, almost like a mental
disease that is spreading. Could you explain that to the
audience a little bit, And if it's a social contagion,
a lot of this must be happening simply because it
is in fashion.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, so you're right.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
So I can't take credit for the social social contagent term,
but yes, it is called that because they've noticed in
surveys that sometimes, you know, almost ninety percent of kids
that identify as transcender, they say, belong to your friend
group where maybe most of the other kids are.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Or are very very heavily online involved in this.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Clearly, if you just remember, say the nineties or early
two thousands, when just this wasn't really common, and then
all of a sudden the past five years or so,
it's become very common. If you look even in twenty fourteen,
just ten eleven years ago, there is less than half,
less than half. There's about half a percent of kids
that did this, and now.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
You're looking at three some people say five percent.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
At some of these colleges, the rate of somebody being
trans is five to seven percent. It can be twenty
or twenty five percent of kids are LGBTQ identifying. So,
in other words, this is something that went from like, oh,
you know, I'm gonna have sushi once in a while,
to all the restaurants in my towns serve sushi.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
It's it's clearly.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Something's going on, and I don't think it's a coincidence
that it paralleled the tumbler read it and Instagram and
some of the other things that started passing these ideas around.
And clearly there's some medical and legal and some other
components as well. Speaking of legal, I just want to
break for you real quick. It's this bill that we're
talking about, thirteen twelve was just scheduled for a committee
(25:45):
Wednesday in Judiciary. So this is a real thing right now.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
This is the dead naming bill. Now, this is a
dead naming bill. So if if I have a child
who is born as a girl baby and I named
her Susie and then she wants to be called Tom.
This would be a good way for me to get
in some serious trouble with the law if this bill
(26:10):
goes through and is signed the way that it is
written right now, and could you talk to that? And
also I'd like to know how this relates to this
sort of epidemic of gender transitions, physical hard physical gender transitions.
Do you expect this to play a role in that
to cause more of them?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Perhaps, Well, we're talking about bill HB twenty five, thirteen twelve.
It just got scheduled for thanks and the Judiciary bill
on Wednesday at one point thirty just a respond and
answer your question. Yes, and that and it will encourage
social transition, which is basically changing your kid's name and
have addressed different use different pronouns than their actual sex.
(26:54):
And yeah, I do expect that to increase the amount
of medical and surgical harm on kids, because again for
decades that when occasional kids express this gender confusion, nobody
scarred them up, and they grew to adulthood and most
kids grew out of it, grew out of even having
to discomfort, and so clearly if the numbers have gone.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Up by you know, four six times or something.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Obviously a lot of these kids don't need these medicines
and surgeries for sure, most, if not all, for sure
all I would say. And so yeah, basically if it
requires parents and adults to kind of confirm this in kids,
adults like doctors, and this bill is going to mandate that.
And specifically this bill thirteen twelve number one, like you said,
(27:41):
for parents, if they miss gender or dead name, which
is to say, use the kid's actual.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Legal name that they give them, that they gave them
at birth.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
If you do that, then and you're in, say a
custody battle, that can be the point that takes away
your kids. And just to be clear, Colorado is already
doing that. You can google Robert Cameron. They and I
know other.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Dads as well.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
They've taken away the kid from dads and then chemically
castrated the kid at local hospitals because they call it
a course. From what I'm hearing inside with a parent
who wants to medicate and sterilize. And then it's important
just to add that this bill not only controls the
speech of people at home, also any business, So I
(28:22):
would think for radio that would be the truth for sure.
Newspaper misgendering or dead naming is their terms that they
use for using actual names and pronouns. That is also
going to be a civil rights violation, which as you know,
can be defined or what gorcias is called re education.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yes, and public places of public accommodation. That's pretty much
everywhere that anyone can do business. So doctor Morrell, thank
you very much for joining us today. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me wing.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
All right, we're going to cut to commercials here in
a moment, and when we come back, we are going
to talk about uh, we're going to talk about books
in libraries that really shouldn't be their children's libraries, elementary
school and junior high libraries. And we'll be back with
a guest who can help enlighten us about that as well.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Welcome back. I'm Wayne Logison filling in for Dan Kaplis.
If you want to call in to discuss anything that
we've been talking about or anything else, the number is
three zero three seven one three eight two five five
repeating three zero, three, seven, one three eight two five five.
We have a number of texts. I'd like to read
(29:42):
a few of them. If you want to send texts
to us, just text to five seven seven three nine.
That's five seven seven three nine. So I'm going to
go to a few texts that we have received. The
first one doesn't deal with anything we've been talking about,
but I want to read it anyway, says Dan. Last
(30:03):
night I saw the interview of doctor Death and Boulder.
This would be doctor Warren Hearn of the Bolder Abortion Clinic.
He also famously or notoriously, whichever way you want to
look at it, wrote a book called The Abortion Practice.
To his credit, in this book, he doesn't try to
play that line about, oh, what I'm doing is just
(30:23):
removing a blob of lifeless protoplasm. I mean, it's a
very graphic book that describes the sensation he feels from
the unborn child. Because he specializes in late abortions right
up to and including labor and delivery, and he describes
the sensation that covered that goes through the four steps
(30:46):
when he's conducting these procedures. This man makes no apology
for his specialty in in terminating late term abortions. He retired,
and this was an it's yesterday. He retired, and this
is probably very good news for a lot of unborn children. He's,
(31:07):
as the text says here, he is the notorious late
term abortionist, retiring after sixty plus years of murdering helpless babies.
The entire Clark and Co. Now, we don't need to
read that. So he's proud of this. He said as
(31:27):
much when he announced his retirement yesterday. And he has
terminated at least forty five thousand pregnancies over those years.
And he is no longer practicing in Colorado, and it
looks like the clinic probably will stay closed. That was
what he said. Few people are willing to do what
(31:49):
he does. He had a lot of death threats, and
I think a lot of people just don't want to
make a lifestyle out of a living doing that. Another
another text we have says gay activists went from encouraging
tolerance of their ideology, which is fine. I'm just adding
that I think it's a I don't think anybody should
(32:12):
be mistreated because of their uh, because of their gender
identity or their sexual identity. There that I think that
was a fine civil rights movement, but it's gone way
beyond that, as this text says, They've gone from that
absolutely encouraging gay behavior. They began indoctrinating children into thinking
(32:36):
that it is okay to me marry either a girl
or a boy, whatever you choose, completely changing from a
boy to a girl. And he says, shame on us
for being steamrolled into this. He's not wrong. I don't
even mind if young people are introduced to the possibility
(32:59):
that when they are older, after they've gone through puberty,
they may be attracted to someone of the same sex.
That's not the issue here. The issue is that they
are forcing this on children. They're doing it with the
books that are chosen in the libraries, with the lectures
(33:20):
that are given in classrooms, even and they've taken it
out of out of health and biology classes. And now
this is, as was mentioned by one of the Supreme
Court justices this week, this is now in English classes.
I think we have we have a clip of that
number seven. If you want to put that on Ryan.
(33:41):
This would be Justice Katanji Brown Jackson explaining that these
and this is not a right wing associate by any
by any means, Mister.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Schoenfeld, What is that purpose? I mean, I thought the
answer to Justice Kavanaugh's question.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
Was that the school board was explicit that the books
were to be used only to supplement the English language
Arts curriculum as reading instruction, and not to teach about
gender or sexuality.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
So it wasn't as.
Speaker 8 (34:10):
Though the books were being introduced for.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
The purpose of enhancing the gender and sexuality component and
therefore people can opt out of that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It was that we're talking.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
About English here, and in addition to the other kinds.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Of picture books we have on the shelf and.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
We talk about in class, we're going to introduce these
books as well. I think that seems pretty infeasible in
English when you're talking about reading instruction, that every time
this particular kind of book comes out, we have to
start letting people leave the classroom.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I agree with you. So there you have it. This
is not just something where it's a biology class or
a sex education class and the child and the parent
can just simply opt out of it. They now take
it into other courseworks such as English curriculum,
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