On this episode of the BobbyCast, Bobby sits down with country music singer/songwriter, John Morgan. John tells Bobby the story about how an Uber driver from the year before led him to a meeting and ultimately cutting a song with Jason Aldean. John also talked about the reason he drove a huge trailer to Bobby's house that day, why he still has a car with no AC in it, and how he discovered the secret to songwriting. Plus, Bobby asked John about his early childhood days and touring as an 11-year-old in a bluegrass band.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I sing the demo, he sends it off to guys
that he told me he's been writing with forever.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right, So I'm like not thinking anything of it.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
About two weeks later, cut my grass and I get
a phone call and he's like, hey, man, this is
Jason al Dean. I'd love to meet in person and
just you know, hang whatever. Meanwhile, I'm like sprinting inside
to find like a witness, right, he needed somebody to
make sure this was not a prank.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Call Episode five seventeen with John Morgan and so here's
the truth. I had some dead bushes in the yard,
and so we had called this company to come and
replace the bushes. And so that day they were scheduled
to arrive. And you have a trailer and like take
(00:49):
these And so they pulled up with their trailer and
I thought they were at the house. It was John
Morgan with his trailer. Yeah, it's a huge truck and
trailer and trailer. I thought politic. I thought they were
the but I thought he was the bush guys because
he drew he had yard stuff in his trailer. But
he was and he talks about this. He was coming
from mowing a yard of a property that he rents.
(01:10):
I thought it was the bush guys that it was
so weird. Yeah, I think it takes the award now
for the biggest truck driven over. Does a trailer count?
It counts, Yeah, because he had a big trailer with
the truck. I would compare it to like a U
haul trailer that you get and you attach. But it wasn't.
You all was a little bigger than that. It was white.
A lot of bands will use them as well, like
(01:30):
to drag their equipment. Yeah, but yeah, I thought it
was a bush guy for sure. John Morgan, I mean,
I really like John. We've talked about this before. There's
a certain type of artist that you just feel like
they're all the same until you spend some time with
him and learn why they're a bit different. And that's
like that male artist between like twenty two and thirty
(01:51):
four who sings dude songs. Yeah, they kind of all
blend until you can spend them. I liked John Morgan
a lot. I didn't expect, not that i'd expected not
to like him, but I don't know. I just thought, Okay,
let's just see what's up here. Really nice guy, huh,
he's awesome. Yeah, and he came from own the yard,
so I was like, that's sick here. He didn't even
leave his trailer behind. He actually showed up in his
(02:13):
yard mowing clothes and changed in the bathroom of the studio.
I was like, he's in there, well, oh he's changing. Yeah.
I was like, he must be like me, like newly
lactose intolerant John Morgan. I'm gonna read you some of
the stuff, just like the data. Multiple number ones that
he's written, including sixteen cuts by Jason Alden, which include
al Dean's Trouble with a Heartbreak, which includes al Dean
(02:37):
and Carrie If I Didn't Love You. He's written for
Dustin Lynch, Thomas Rhet, John Party, Michael Ray, and George Burge.
He's toured all out, by the way John's going to
be and he's himself now. He just had a number
one song with al Dean. Alden was on his song
because Aldean signed him. But he's gonna be on tour
with Kane Brown, Old Dominion and Riley Green. His album
Carolina Blue is out now, and I don't know, it's
(03:00):
pretty cool. I think his story is pretty cool. Friends
like that was the name of that song with Jason
al Dean. It was his first country number one as
an artist, so rooting for him, really like him. I mean,
I guess I could read you all the songs he wrote,
but I'm telling you it's a page by itself. He's
on the road. You can go over to his socials
at John Morgan ninety five? Is that the year he
(03:23):
was born? I think so? Or his football number he
wasn't alignman, there's no way, and I think a year
he was born. Okay, on the road, go check him
out and we'll put some down on the notes as well.
Really enjoyed it. Here he is, Episode five seventeen, John Morgan, John,
Good to see you, man. Yeah, you too, Man, How
are you pretty good? First time we met?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I think so right. So sometimes I'll be a total
adutionie of like first time we met people like no,
we met for six seconds backstage and I'm like, my bad,
I didn't remember. But I think the first time we met,
I think it is man, big, you drove a trailer
up to the house. Yeah, sorry about that, don't be sorry.
We always have trailers at the house, not like you
see the trailer. I thought it was like our yard guy,
I don't know. I don't know anymore. I've left that behind.
(04:04):
I mean after my maintenance days on the golf course,
I left that behind. Is that what you were doing?
I got my equipment if you need me to hit it. No,
I'm good. We did it yesterday. I was gonna ask you, though,
our pool is so green. Yeah, I know nothing about pools.
Do you know anything about pools?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I'm learning.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, apparently there's some algae and they had to come
shocked the pool today. I don't know about the rich
person stuff. I'm still like new to the rich person stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And so the pool is like really green though.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It is a little green alga sada things what was called.
Put a little of that in there and yeah, shocked
the pists out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, absolutely, they said they shocked it. So I fit,
would you throw like a hair dryer in it? Like
that's what I thought, like a plug that pair dryer?
Why are you like, what were you doing today? Uh? Well,
So we used.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
To live in the East Nashville and we ended up
moving out to Jolton last year year and a half ago.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And land purposes.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, just wanted a little bit more room and
so When we did that, we were thankfully to keep
our other house and rent it out. So I'm landlording
taking care of my due diligence. Cutting the grass per
per monthly. I won't say I do it every two
weeks because it's not every two weeks, but whenever I'm
home I try to hit it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Is that because you enjoy doing it? Uh? No, it's
just because I'm cheap, okay, one of the two?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, one of the two.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah. And so you drove over and do the people
that are renting it are they running it now? Somebody
running it? Yeah? Do they know that their landlord is
a successful songwriter and now artist. Yeah? Yeah, they're like.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's cool, cool, cool. Can you come cut our grass?
Our grass is up to our waist if you don't mind.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's funny. So do you have a writing more or
do you have to push more, run more? Yeah? I work, man.
It's on a golf course for a long time. Yeah.
And like the rich kids got to be the cart
kids at the club, the poor kids. It was definitely
a class system. The poor kids. We had to be
the maintenance workers on We had a weedy ditches mo
greens in the morning when the sun came out. We
(06:00):
didn't even get the riding mowers. It was all push mowers.
It was the worst. So I thought to myself, as
soon as I have money, I'm never freaking touching a
line more again. Yeah, I'm out. And as soon as
I got money, I never touched a line mower again.
Good for you to have a traumatic relationship with waking
up early, which I still do. That part sucks, but
(06:21):
then having to mow once. I woke up early driving
to the golf course, woke up in somebody's yard. Wasn't drunk,
fell asleep, really fell asleep. Luckily didn't crash into their house.
No alcohol involved none. I've never had drink of alcohol,
so it wasn't like I was drunk for any reason. Ye. Yeah,
that was my bad memory. Yet. What were your jobs
before you got into this career or did you have
(06:42):
jobs while you were in this career initially? Uh? Yeah,
I mean both.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
My first first couple of jobs I had growing up
was cutting grass. I would have a couple of yards
on the side. After I would, you know, get done.
I worked at a tire shop during the day, and
then after I got off I would go cut yards
and had a handful enough to like make good money,
you know, after hours, So I did that. My dad
had a property management business that worked for him for
(07:09):
five or six years.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Oh you're keeping the family business going right, Yeah? Man, Yeah,
it's just in my blood, I guess. So what were
doing at the tire shop? What were your day to
day duties there?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, my freshman year of high school, I started pumping gas.
It was a full service station that my uncle's owned,
so they would let me come down and pump gas
and make tips doing that. So I did that for
pretty much all through high school. That was kind of
the job that was always there if you wanted it.
So I kept that one. And then when I moved
up to the tire shop, you know, it did maintenance stuff,
(07:42):
breaks rotors, front in alignments, will change whatever you need.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I didn't. I didn't manage it, but I basically did.
But I worked at a marina. That's where I learned
how to fix boats, which I never liked while doing it,
but I had so many skills after I was done,
like accidentally, because you just had to figure a bunch
of crap out and act like you knew what you
were doing. At times when you really had no idea
and it was just a figure. Yeah, I was just
(08:09):
kind of figuring stuff out. But I remember I would
pump gas and these people would come in. They'd bring
like a party barge or at times it was like Washtawn, Arkansas,
so it wasn't like there were yachts or anything, but
there'd be these massive yacht type boats or house boats. Yeah,
and I would pump and I would be so pissed
they wouldn't tip me. And I didn't feel like I
needed to be tipped for every boat that came in.
(08:31):
But if it was a houseboat or a big party
barge that multiple tanks and they didn't tip me, I
resented them for that, as you should. I when you
were working as a you know, ninth or tenth grader
or whatever, you would work pumping gas. Do you expect
to be tipped?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It depends, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
If we're busy and I'm hustling, you know, and there's
three or four cars that pull up at the same time,
like you're jumping back in between right you're running inside,
you know, do their car.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Come back the receipt? I mean, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I would be kind of bond if we were busy,
and I wouldn't get any kind of tip, you know,
even a couple of dollars. You know, it's good enough, right,
at leastah something, because a couple of dollars adds up.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah. When I worked at hobby lobby, dude, a couple
of bucks like eight times a day. Yeah, set me
up for food for like the whole week, right, Yeah. Yeah.
Those jobs where you have to do service are so important,
at least to me. They've been so important for like
the rest of my life. And then how to treat people,
because I think it's really hard to understand what service
goes through until you've done service yourself. And when you're
(09:34):
that just reminds me of that you're talking about that
job because you're dealing with people that are going about
their days. They want it fast, or they're in a
bad mood or they're in a good mood, and you're
just kind of dealing with it and doing it. But
then once you get on the other side of that,
you tend to treat people a lot better.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I feel like you it's just you get it right,
You get what their job is, so I feel like,
you know the it's like anything else if you've done it,
you know, the struggles in that particular lane, you know.
So yeah, it's uh, I don't know, man, it's just
all I.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Know, to be honest with you, It's just kind of
how I was brought up.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And you know, if you uh, if you wanted to,
if you want it done right, you do it yourself right.
That's my old man's motto.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So what's he doing now? Is he still alive? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Man, he's playing golf every day.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Really? Yeahs he retired?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Man, he's uh, it's kind of recent, you know, the
last couple of years he's just been kind of winning
himself off.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
He was able to sell the business and kind of
get away from that. So it's been cool the twist
as he sold it to you. And that's what you're doing. Also,
that's why where you came from property management business.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Was there music in your family as far as the
creation like writing or playing? Uh? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I kind of fell into it early.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like my so my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
She's kind of the musical one.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
She she was the one that taught me how to sing,
play piano, hear harmonies like stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like that shit a great year for that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And my dad could not sing, but he could tell you,
you know, every band in the seventies, every album when
it was released.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Like he was that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So I was pretty fortunate to have kind of both
ends of that, and you know, in my upbringing, you know,
and then you throw bluegrass in the mix, which is,
you know, pretty predominant where I'm from. It's just you know,
something that you it's more of a pastime than anything.
It's not necessarily something people get into as a career,
(11:34):
but you just, you know, bluegrass is just something you
can sit around on the front porch and play, you know,
with whoever. And so kind of fell into that, but
that's what made me fall in love with the guitar.
Guitar was kind of my first love. And then you know,
learned how to sing a little bit. And then, you know,
after high school, I started, you know, getting into the
songwriting world. I had no idea it was a thing
(11:55):
until you know, seventeen or eighteen. I started studying up
seeing different or seeing the names on different songs that
I like from different artists, right, and you kind of
keep up with that more and that whole world just
opened up to me and I fell in love with
you know, creating an idea and writing songs and so
that's ultimately what brought me here, That's what I wanted
to do.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
When you talk about your mom teaching those things you mentioned,
was she trained in any way? Did she perform ever
in her life or was she just drawn to it
and learned out of a hobby.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
More more so that I mean she you know, she
grew up singing and playing a church, you know, and
I think she took lessons, but she wasn't. She wasn't
somebody who could sit down and sit read. A lot
of it was by ear, So yeah, it was. It
was mainly just for fun. She just enjoyed doing it all.
Most of her family, like on her side, it was
just a musical family. They would just like I said,
(12:47):
they would get together and have singings just for fun.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Right, So yeah, it just kind of kind of more.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Of a hobby. I guess.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Were you a ballplayer? Yeah, so I'm assuming if you're
a good ballplayer that music really can't dominate until you're
not playing ball anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, I say I was a ballplayer, not a good
ball player.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, here ends up being a good ballplayer. Yeah, because
usually a lot of times, honestly, it's that same kind
of work ethic and drive that makes them a good
ball player when they commit to music. Because some people go, man,
it's crazy how good ball players are always artists, and
I'm like, well, actually the guys and there have been
some girls too that are great athletes and then turn
(13:25):
to music. What they do is they actually channel that
that work ethic and energy into music. It's not just
that if you're a good ballplayer, you can do music,
but it's like the traits and the discipline that you
learn coming up through playing sports for the most part.
So but it's also rare that somebody's a good ballplayer
and really into music at the exact same time, because
there's so much energy that's to going to one or
(13:46):
the other.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I agree, I don't know how anybody could do that professionally.
I mean, for me, like I, baseball was kind of
my first love and then when I got into high
school or baseball programs shut down, so kind of transition
into basketball.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Basketball, it came like my thing.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
What happened with the baseball program? Small school?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, tiny, yeah, a little private Christian school. I graduated
with six people.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
So, oh that's real small. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't have
a baseball field, but I was forty. It was like
a public school. We had to play in another team.
Public baseball field. Yeah yeah, small for public school. Superworld
Yeah yeah. So could you not go to play ball
at another school?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I probably could have. I don't know, man, It just
I didn't really think about it too much.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It was you know, I knew I loved baseball. But
I had a really really good coach come through for
our basketball program kind of around that time, and he
really he really changed the game for me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
With basketball.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
He was big on the Princeton offense, which is like,
it's just a slow, methodical ball. Yeah, it's a half
court offense.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
A lot of like everything hasn't out, you always have
an option, right, You're always moving.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So it was just fun for me.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I was you know, I was more of a guard
position at that time, so I was moving a lot,
touching the ball a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I just liked it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know, Baseball is obviously a little slower moving game,
which I love now, but uh, softball is definitely what
I would choose have had to pick one now, But
pickleball doll. Yeah, I love pickleball, so you do. Yeah, yeah,
I was just I'm a little rusty. When we're out
with the al Dem Boys, they they set up something.
Brian O'Connell would have a court set up every show
(15:27):
we were playing. So that was kind of our workout
during that tour.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
But by the way, I wasn't insulting the Printon offense.
I meant, like you said, a half court offense. When
I say slow, I mean, I don't mean everybody needs
to be slow. I mean I'm very familiar with the
Prinson offense. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, everything is very deliberate. Yeah,
the offense sets and goes. So all everybody's watching or
listening to this, it's gonna message me and say the
Prince and offense is not slow. I hear you. Anyway,
(15:53):
continue on, So did you were you drawn to basketball?
Were pretty good? I was. I was all right at
high school. Uh, you know, I my my school and
the most technicals.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Uh, proud of that. I definitely had a hot head
back in the day. Uh just for sports though. It
was just like you know, I guess is what you're
passionate about.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It was like sports and music.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I would get really frustrated with sometimes, but uh, sports,
I my adrenaline would would encourage me to verbalize that,
you know, and so, uh it was a lot of fun.
But yeah, I think had I got in control of
that early on, I might have been I might have
been able to do something with it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But I knew.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I went to small Christian school done in Pensacola too.
After I graduated, and I coached my high school for
a couple of years and then I was like, I
want to try college.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Went to college.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Wait what, Yeah, you coached for a couple of years. Yeah,
I did, and then went to college. You took two
gap years, but those were coaching gap years. Yeah, did
you think you want to be a coach? Yeah? I
always loved that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Like I said, uh, the coach that kind of came
in at that time for me was just a really
just a cool guy. I mean we're still buddies, and
you know, he was a younger guy and he just
it was just it was just fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He was fun to work with.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He was fun to like, you know, it's fun to
pick his brain because he was so smart about, you know,
the game, and he was a player himself. He won
like three out of four state championships his high school
career at a big school down east.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Uh, Carolina. So you know, it was just fun.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It was really really cool, and I I appreciated that
side of it and wanted to wanted.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
To try it out.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I coached the middle school girls team my first year,
which was wild. Uh why just trying to get you know,
middle school girls to listen to a twenty one year old,
you know, decent looking guy. It was just it was
just funny. But they were great, man. They we had
a great.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Time and not good uh, not good, uh, but we
had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And uh.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
The next year I upgraded to the JV boys.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And and the year after that I was assisting of
our arsity then too, And then the year after that
actually coached three seasons total, and the year that my
final year, I coached the varsity boys. And it was
so much fun. Man, It's just like you just put
everything into it, right.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
And we didn't have a great record, but I had
a young team. Man. If I would have had.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Those guys a couple more years, we would have we
would have we would have been pretty good.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But why do you go to college? Then I just
I was kind of lost. Man.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It was just kind of like coaching was really fun
to me, but I just it was that hometown thing
where I've been and I've been in Silvil my whole life,
and I was just like, man, I feel like I'm
gonna get stuck here if I stay now, you know.
And so I didn't really know what I wanted to
do music at that time. I had been burnt on
the road because I've been on the road since I
was eleven, you know, going to school, playing ball. All
(18:48):
that stuff was based around me touring and doing the
blue Grosse circuit. We were gone every weekend. We probably
played one hundred and fifty shows a year.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Or were you playing Were you playing guitar? Yeah? Could
you play fast like bluegrass style fast used to be
able to? Yeah? I mean I guess you had to
kind of get in to fit in, right, Yeah. And
I would assume, just my experience, not with bluegrass, but
with anything being around great people, you kind of have
to at least try to be great and get a
lot better or you don't get to hang out with
the great people anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Is that what it was for you at a young age?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, yeah, I knew it because it's like you said,
people don't really care how you sing in bluegrass, but.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
You better be able to play, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And so I really really dove into that and just
being a lead guitar player, and I'm thankful for that
because it allows me to at least hang now, you know,
with with with my guys and what we do.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
So I was wrong. Then, if you're playing at eleven,
you were good at ball and music, because most of
the time it's not it's one or the other with
a lot of folks. But if you're starting even before
you really get serious about ball, which just sounds like
you did, if you're starting at eleven, yeah, yeah, which
were you more passionate about always music?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Man?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, even playing bluegrass like I was playing tradition
bluegrass at that time too in the beginning, and you're
playing the same songs that every other bands play a
different way, right, it's just it's traditional standard bluegrass tunes.
And so it was a lot of fun. But I
just got burnt, man. I was just like, I want
to write my own stuff. I want to do my
(20:17):
own thing. And it took me a minute to figure
out that's what I wanted to do. But when I did,
that's that's when I was like, all right, I got
I got to move to Nashville now, or I'm gonna
get stuck here.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know, Were you around any other folks that had
been to Nashville and maybe it didn't work out or
it wasn't for them, and they came back and could
tell you that you needed to be in Nashville. Uh,
not anybody who had been and came back.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But I had.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So my drummer he's from uh same town as me,
and he moved to Nashville about a year before I did.
He was like, man, same thing. He's like, I want
to get a pub deal, I'm going. So he was
kind of the he was a heavy encourager of Like
every weekend he would call me, bro, you gotta come
out here, and right, you're gonna move down here?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
When are you moving?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He was that guy, And so I had. I had him.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And then I had another buddy from Clayton, Georgia, right
across the line from me, who I grew up with,
Jeb Gibson, who he he got a deal at Seagill
as a writer and before he even moved to town,
he got he got signed, and so you know, seeing
that happen, I was like, man, that's colle At least
I know two people. I had like three friends when
(21:27):
I moved to that I was really close to, and
they were all in the music industry.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So that was helpful to kind of get.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Established early on just through their friend group and like
trying to hang and meet people. It was like that
helped me a lot, you know, sped the process up.
I feel like a little bit. But yeah, man, it
was a lot of fun. I knew that, you know,
music was always what I was passionate about, no matter
what else I was doing. Like, I knew that was it.
There was a time period where I didn't touch my
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guitar for like a year and a half, and that
was when I was coaching and doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Purpose or just have time for it because you were
consumed with ball, with my middle school girls basketball career.
Uh probably let all you burnt by it. So you're like,
I'm gonna leave it and hopefully the passion comes back,
or I'm gonna leave it because I just don't want
to touch it. Or were you just no time? Probably
a I was.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I was really burnt man, Like, you know, you're on
a sprinter van for I mean literally, I was from
from eleven to really eighteen, I was on the road
in a sprinter van, sleeping on the floor or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's just like I think it just caught up to
me and and that's kind of where I was at
at that point.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Did you have any money saved up? If you're playing
shows at eleven, did you have some money saved up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, I bought my first to my first two vehicles
with Bluegrass money.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Because it's not like there's a lot to spend it
on when you're eleven. No, there's no car insurance. Well
there are things.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
To spend it on, but you don't like you don't
need anything, right, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I was I was like cool, it was nice to
see money in the bank, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, I liked that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And I've always been a tight wad too.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So yeah, as you mentioned earlier, mowing the yard, Yeah,
I guess at eleven, there's nothing you had you must
spend your money on. It would have been a better
way for me to say that, because yeah, I'd about
baseball cards like crazy, but I didn't need baseball cards.
But at eleven, you don't have to pay insurance, right.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, you don't have any of the bills that take
your you know, the core monthly income out.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You just stocking it up.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Did you know that you didn't want to do bluegrass
while you were doing bluegrass? Or while you were doing it,
did you love and think it was always blue grass
until you got burnt out?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I thought bluegrass was my only option for a while.
I thought, you know, this is all I've been good at,
this is all I probably can do. But you know,
I was always listening. I never listened to bluegrass on
my downtime like it was. I think I heard it
so much on the road that I was just like,
I need a change, just seen when I'm not and
when we're traveling or whatever, I got my headphones in.
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I'm listening to the old school nineties, country, eighties, hair metal,
you know, like all kinds of stuff, seventies. My dad,
like I said, he really influenced me in that era
of music, and.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I was always listening to different stuff and enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
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Speaker 3 (24:36):
Go back to being eighteen, right when you're graduate high school?
Who were your four favorite artists then.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Eighteen? John Mayer was a huge one.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I got into the mayor world, and he's kind of
the guy that He and Keith Urban probably two that
really got me into the electric guitar world because I
was always acoustic. Electric guitar was like has scared me?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Right? I was like, I don't know, I don't know
what all this is. And so.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
They're the two guys who would just their clean tones
like introduced me to, you know, playing a telly and
getting a good clean tone out of a telecaster and
then strattones and then just started adding pedals and like
figuring them out. And I was a bedroom guy too,
you know. I would sit in my bedroom and play
the records all night. That's that's just how I practiced.
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I just loved doing that. And so I would say
those two guys at eighteen. Ronnie Mills has been one
of my favorites forever. Your dad mom, so my mom, Yeah, yeah,
I just I've always loved him and his style and
what he did. But I would say those three guys,
and then then at that time Big three Doors Down fan,
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So I kind of had a little mixture of those.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
But who wasn't Three Doors Down does not get the
credit for having they have so many monthster just data hits, yeah,
meaning number ones, even songs that still stream. But because
they fit in that lane and they were so ubiquitous,
because they could be on rock radio, they could be
their massive pop radio, they could be all alternative that
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they really didn't have a specific area that championed them
because they were everywhere right where. If they just would
have been a rock band, they'd have been, like, man,
talk about a great southern rock. They'd have been held
up high as a standard. But because they were so big,
I feel like they don't get the credit they deserve. Yeah,
because they're just some southern boys that easily could have
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been a country band too. Oh yeah. Like, and I
got a chance to note Brad and Brad's come out
has come out and played with with you know, my
comedy group before and these we did Kryptonite. Dude, I'm
telling him it was freaking awesome. But like I assume
as the drums come in, Dude, it's like chills. You
feel like you.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Can play that drum sol that anybody because it's just
so iconic, right, you're like, oh, I could do that,
you know, and then you watch it, like watch a
video of it, and then he watched Brad do it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm like, that's what blew my mind. He's back there
singing and playing. I'm like, I'm out, and to see
also his range, Like as a singer. There are a
couple of artists that I've seen and I'm curious to know,
like your thought on this as well. A couple of
artists that I've been around and I watched them perform
and I didn't realize that they either sang so high
or how they sang was so hard. Brad's one of them.
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Because you're talking about songs where he has to go.
I don't even know what key singing in even Krypton,
I was like screaming key like he has to scream
on Tim McGraw, same way, Like he sings so high,
and you just sing a songs on the radio, you're like,
you know, cool, when he sings at a show or
like am I studio or something, You're like, oh, I
could never really he's and he hasn't changed keys at all.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
See that's cool.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I've never seen Tim Love, so I I didn't know that,
but I can see him being that's how truthfully, that's
how al Dean was. I just know, you know, I
get to see his show so many times being on
the road with He asked me to come out and
do the truth with him on that. I think it
was his first the first tour was on and I
was like, oh, yeah, in the bag, that's one of
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my favorite songs. Whatever, dude, I went to go practice
it and I'm like I said, I told Jason, was like, dude,
please don't ever make me sing this bridge because I
cannot hit it. There's no way it's gonna I'm not
getting there. You have to sing the bridge every night.
So we would be up there. There was a couple
of times where you know, he would just he's he's
not a rehearsing guy, right, He's like, yeah, it was
just come on, we're good, you know. So he pulls
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me up there and we're in the middle of it.
We get to the bridge and he looks over at
me and he's like, you got it, you got it.
I'm like, dude, don't do this to make flee thirty
thousand people waiting on the bridge to come.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But yeah, he's very deceptively high.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
A singer, Uh, just like that?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, I again, I'm not a singer. I sing for comedy,
so I have a duo and you know we do
pretty good. But I can sing just well enough that
it doesn't distract from the joke. So I'm not a
vocalist anyway, but I can sing enough, and I did
meet them. Know with Diamond Rio you talk about a
high freaking song and you're just not prepared. Yeah, no chance.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Isn't there a key change? Yeah one too, Yeah, of
course keep.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Complete Another one's Tracy Lawrence paying me a Birmingham. There's
a complete key change. I can't even I'm not a vocalist,
but there's a complete key change. It's a cold, cold cut, right, Yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I forget about though.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It feels almost like the national anthem where you got
to start solo that it gets high and classic mistake. Yeah,
where do you? What? What do you sing? Usually? Like
what key? I'm a big G guy, like you just
go put it in G and I can hang. Yeah.
G used to be my key too, Then you got
a lot better.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I think it got worse. Uh b is.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
For whatever reason, open b Is is a good key
for me. He is a good one. I play and
drop d a lot. Those are probably my go to's.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You move to town and you have a bit, I'd
say it's a little version of Canary and the coal Mine.
Yet buddies that came and they didn't die, and they're like, dude,
you got to come. Canary lived to come to come
to the coal mine. And so you're here. You have
a little support system at least people, you know, how
long until like things I won't even start to happen,
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but you start to kind of get your bearings a
little bit and go, oh, okay, I think I can
do this. Because there's there's very much an intimidation, uh Era,
because you're you're good where you're from. Yeah, but once
you get here, I'm not speaking about you specifically, but
general everybody. Yeah, once you get here, you're like, oh,
I was a good ball player at my high school,
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but now I'm here with Yadi or Malina and it's
a whole different ball game. Yeah. How long until you
finally felt comfortable and intimidation turned into kind of motivation? Great?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Great question, Man, I definitely. I definitely had that era
of early on where I was like, I moved here
with the expectation of I know what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That was that was that was my thing.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I'm glad I didn't move he earlier because I probably
would have bounced around, tried too many different things, probably
taking too many other jobs, like not had enough money
saved up to be able to focus on music when
I first moved here.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
But yeah, I knew exactly what I wanted to do.
What was that though?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
He said, Well, I just wanted to write. Man, that
was my thing. I wanted to be a songwriter, and
I knew.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I fell in love with that world, and I was like, man, this,
this is like what I wanted to do. I knew,
you know, being an artist was always in the back
of my mind. But like I said, you mentioned it earlier,
it was like I felt like bluegrass was the only
option for that right. I didn't know truthfully, I didn't
know that I had a lead voice until I moved
to town and I started doing demo work because I
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got into production early on when I first moved here.
I knew that would get me into better writing rooms.
So I'm like I can do a demo. I know
how to do it enough, right, So I started, you know,
investing into equipment and like getting a little set up room,
and you know that eventually turned into me, uh, you know,
having to sing demos and like people being like, hey,
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will you throw a vocal on this?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Or out of necessity by the way, yeah, I don't
think you're just dying to sing, but out of necessity
you kind of found a voice.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I was always a harmony singer. I mean I sang
lead on a few songs here and there, but it
was predominantly a harmony guy. And so when I started
doing that. I'm also a perfectionist when it comes to music,
Like I just I'm super anal about certain things.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Is that the bluegrass background, because it's that is so specific.
Bluegrass is so specific and also at the same time
jazz right, Yeah, you can move around a bit, but
if you don't move around the exact right spot, it
can be disastrous. It can be beautiful, yeah, but it
can be disastrous. And I always find the bluegrass players
are what are are like you are, Like, they're super
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anal about specific things when it comes to production. Yeah,
do you think that's where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It could be, man, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's that Princeton offense mindset right where you're like, I
just like, I like, for one, if I'm doing a vocal,
I want it to be super clean. You know, I'm
very That's one of my pet peeves is like making
sure I edit all my vocals. Uh, you know, clean
them up, get them, get them sounding right. But yeah,
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I don't know, man. I think production is what got
me into better rooms as a writer. And I knew
that if I could get in rooms with hit songwriters,
I could figure it out.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You could learn from them or yeah, you could just
see see what they're like, what the secret is behind
the closed doors? Yeah, and then you could do that because.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
There's got to be a secret, right, You're like, how
are these guys writing multiple multiple hits for decades?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
You know, the guys Ashley Gorley have seven hundred hits?
Like what's he doing over and over again? Yeah? What
is he doing? Because there's something? Yeah, there has to be, yeah, right,
there has to be. What'd you learn? What was the secret?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Man?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I I learned that these guys are just so articulate.
They I think the biggest thing that I learned from
especially early on, right early on, from guys like Mike Delaney,
Brett Beaver's, you know, Casey Bether. Those were some of
the guys that I got put into rooms with when
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I first got signed. So I was extremely nervous, new guy.
But sitting in the room with them, the one thing
I learned about all of them is they didn't waste
any lines. There's no lines wasted. There's no fat in
any of the lines. You're not saying words just to
put them there in fill a space. Like every word
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has a purpose, right, every line is purposeful. It's getting
you to the next one where it's getting into the
hook of the song. Like those are the kind of
things that I needed because I you.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Know, I realized too.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It made me realize my ideas that I was writing
back home in North Carolina. They weren't bad ideas. I
just didn't know how to get them there, you know,
I was. I was talking about a bunch of random
crap in the verses, and it made no sense when
I got to the chorus. You know, that was something
that I learned from those guys is really tying that
in Casey is the king of like writing all the
way around and somehow ending back.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Up with a hook, you know, in the best way.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So that was probably the main thing I've taken from
those guys is just cut the fat, like, make sure
every line is purposeful. They're also not guys who finished
at three pm. That was the kicker for Ashley. I'm like, dude,
how in the world are you so quick?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That was that was the thing when I wrote with
him for the first time, Like he just you just roll,
you roll with it, you figure it out, and he
moves a lot faster than my brain though, So uh,
that was cool to watch. But yeah, there's so many
different things. I try to always be a sponge when
I'm in those rooms.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I spent some time because I had written a bunch
of comedy I've written a buch jokes, a bunch of
comedy songs. But I called a friend of mine who's
a songwriter, and I said, hey, I have an idea.
I'd seen this thing on one of the news shows,
like in Japan. They had a hologram that was in
like seven places at once. It was an opening act
for a bunch of real artists and they would write
songs for the hologram. It was a version of what
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way back in the day, what was Damon Albert Guerrilla
the Gorillas, the cartoon the Gorillas. Yeah, And I called
my friend, I said, Hey, I think there's something here
for us in this world. I said, let's let's try it.
And he was like cool. And so because I had
this idea, it was me, and it was Ross Kopperman,
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it was Nicole Gallian and they were very accomplished songwriters,
lots of hits. So so what was chasing that idea?
And we had built this group called Neon People, and
we were writing all these songs. Now what I what
I learned from being with them, because they do that
every day at a high level, reinforced. I guess what
I learned about other things too, was reps. The importance
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of freakin' reps, because I'd be in and by the way,
they are extremely elevated when it comes to songwriting but
word play, and I would go like, how did you
figure that out? And honestly, it'd be like, dude, we've
done this ten thousand times, like the first twenty two hundred.
It was terrible. Yeah, And it was. Even the greats
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in that world will credit to just doing it over
and over again with really good people. And yeah, it
wasn't that good to begin with, but now it's just
the reps, the reps, the reps, and you naturally get
a lot better the more you do it and the
better people you do it with. And that's also what
I'm hearing when you talk about these guys, because those
are legends, and I've read with Jim Beavers a bunch. Yeah,
it's just the funniest And that's why him and I
wrote together, because he was so funny. Yeah, But it
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was like, even in songwriting, which is a really cerebral thing,
it's not like you just go, I'm a great songwriter.
This is the second song I've ever written gold. Yeah,
it's not that. No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's a great point, man.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It's just like anything else, the more you do it,
the more you're like, Okay, that didn't work last time.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Let's trust something else, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And I think the other big factor, especially in Nashville,
is like who are you collaborating with? You know, because
you get two really great lyricists in a room, it
could go either way.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
It could go really well, or it could you could
get you could.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Hit a wall in the middle of the right, you know,
because uh that that was something that I I don't
know if I necessarily learned it, but like took on
that role of like I'm going to be the chameleon
in every room. If if if I'm in the room
with you know, a Brett Beavers or you know, most
of these guys are they they had They're great melodically,
lyrically like they like you said, they've done it so
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much that.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
They're good at all ends.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
But they prefer some some of these guys prefer to
do one thing. So I just try to fill that
hole whatever whatever room I'm in. If if we need
a track going, I'll hop on, I'll get a vibe
going on to to keep the ball rolling. If if
we're getting stumped on an idea, I'll throw out some ideas.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, whatever it is. I try to be a
chameleon in the room and and do that. Did you
purposefully and I'll call that a utility player? Did you
purposefully have more utility because you got here and wanted
to be valuable in whatever room, or did you have
those skills because of all the time you had spent
doing it growing up. I'd like to think both.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You know, again, bluegrass, you got to play multiple instruments,
you know, you got to be able to sing different
harmony parts. You got to be able to, you know,
kind of adapt in the same way. I think that's
what allowed me to do it, was just to have
the ability of doing it.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Was that.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
But yeah, the driving force was just I wanted to
be in better rooms and I wanted to be a songwriter.
And I thankfully, you know, I was twenty three twenty
four when I officially moved here, and I moved at
like the weirdest time ever in twenty twenty. So a
lot of my first big rights were over Zoom. And
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that was just an adjustment in all and of itself,
because I'm very much ah in person kind of guy,
and so I had to I had to really become
a good lyricist, because you can't sit there and play
the whole time when you're on zoom. You know, you're
just pissing everybody off with the lag and all the
different things. So I had to learn how to sit
there and mute myself, play in the room, try to
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come up with a line Hey, guys, what about this?
You know, it made me have to be a better lyricist.
I'm actually thankful for that. First, you know, a couple
of months and almost a year of writing on Zoom
with some of these hit songwriters was kind of watching
them do the same thing too on the other end,
and how their brain works and processing you know, the
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storyline and the idea. It was a lot of fun eventually.
At first it was extremely intimidating, but you know, I
learned a lot from that year.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Any awkwardness with co writing because you got to say
stuff now, yeah, and it may not be warmly accepted,
not negatively, Yeah, but most things don't go into the song.
Yeah that's awkward, Yeah, it is. It can be at first.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I've definitely said some things that I wish I didn't
say in front of a hit songwriter.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Early on, I'm sure. Yeah, later you learn if you
say something that you shouldn't have said it, maybe it
turns into something else and you have freedom with it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Dude, nailed it.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Like early on, you're like at the first stage is
like you're too scared to say anything. And then when
you finally get a little enough golf to actually say
what's on your mind.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
You're like, oh, man, that was stupid. He didn't like it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And then you get to the point eventually where you're like, yeah,
here's that, and you're like, he didn't buy it on it,
and then you know, like Brett was Brett did that
on So we wrote one time. Brett Biebers and I
wrote one time, and we wrote Trouble with the Heartbreak,
which became number one for both of us, never written
since he moved to Florida.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think that was his cash out.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
He was like, yeah, I'm piecing out.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Let's see later.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
I'm like, cool, but no.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
We wrote one time and I remember him specifically doing
that in that room for that song where I was
like I threw something out that I thought was kind
of cool or it might be something to It was
a line, and he didn't say anything. He didn't acknowledge.
He didn't he wasn't like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he
was just he had his falling out and he was
He just kind of looked at me and shook his
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head and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I was like, that was my cue.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I think but literally five minutes later he was like, hey,
you know that thing you said.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I was.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I was over here messing with it, and he literally
made it cool. You know, So he took something that
I thought was stupid and made it cool. It just
sparked him in that way.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
So you're exactly right.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Man, Like, you can't be afraid to say something in
a room.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
It's not stupid til it's stupid.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Right. It is a maturation process too, of going from
like I'm scared to say anything, cause again, in my
world pretty big fish. But I'm writing with Ross and
Nicole and I know them, yeah, and I'm like, ah,
I'm sure everything about to say stupid I don't want
to say. So I went through like a hyper fast
version of that, being like I don't want to say
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anything because it's stupid. And then I'd be like, Okay,
this is totally stupid. Let me just and I would
preface it every time with how dumb What I was
about to say was just say it, Yeah, say it,
And then you know, five or six songs into it,
you're just like saying the dumbest crap and that's okay,
because sometimes that dumb crap would not you woudn't even
use it, but did plan a seed. Sometimes they would
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go a direction that was similar to the dumb thing
that was said, yeah and yeah, I was on like
the super fast Billy Madison version of that. But that's
and I was glad I got to do that because
I can understand when songwriters talk about that now. Yeah,
because you who was the first songwriter that you were
with that kind of gave you a little a confidence
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that you could hang uh Mike Delaney.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, he was the first guy, first big writer that
I that I got on a room with, and he
was He's just a laid back guy in general. So
his his personality is just pretty welcoming right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
He's not somebody that really.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Have to warm up to in some ways, his humor
you have to warm up to, but like him as
a guy, just the nicest guy in the world. And
so early on he was definitely that guy for me
that that I guess saw something and what I was
doing and was like, I like this, let's we can
write for these guys, but let's write for you. Let's
let's you know what I do is do you have?
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That was that was when I felt like Okay, I
can hang. When I was throwing out my ideas that
I came up with at my house, you know, and
bringing him into the room, and guys like him were confirming.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
That that that it was a good idea. That's when
I was like, that's cool, man.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
That that encouraged me to you know, to keep rolling
because I'm like, if he likes it, then there's got
to be something to it, right.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
So, uh, he was the first guy.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Like I said, Brett was another guy you know that
that really encouraged me in a lot of ways. Who else, man, Uh,
there's there's there's a handful of guys.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Brent Anderson, my producer, was a guy early on too
who really encouraged me in that way.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Lydia Vaughan's a younger writer that I met.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
She was she was signed at Corman for maybe a
year when we met and I was unsigned, had nothing
going on, and she took a chance on writing with me,
and we've written, you know, multiple times a month ever
since then and become really close friends too.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
So yeah, those she's.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
One of the best in talent, uh, in my opinion,
just all the way around, she's as good as a
lyricist as she is a melody person. You know she
can play. It's like triple threat. But those are some
of the early ones for me.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
The Bobby Cast will be right back is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
How soon did you and Jason start to know each other?
My assumption is you wrote a bunch of songs, ended
up cutting, and your name is showed up over and
over again, Like that would be the version in my
head to plays because you have a lot of iden kites. Yeah.
And then he's like, well, this guy John keeps showing up,
maybe I should meet him. That's my fictional world of
what happened. What really did happen? That would make more sense.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
No, He So when I first moved to town, I,
you know, obviously never lived in a city. I didn't
know anything about Nashville really, just other than the music scene.
So when I moved here, I was crashing on my
drummer's couch and he he's like, man, I'd love to
show you around town. We went out to eat one night,
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called it uber guy picks us up. We start chatting.
Really cool guy. He's telling us about his story. I've
been in Nashville for twenty years. Da da da written
some songs for some guys back in the day. So
we kind of take you with a grain of salt, right,
Like everybody, everybody in Nashville's got a story and they
I'll be connected in the music industry in some way.
So I didn't really think anything of it, to be
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honest with you. It was a nice guy we met.
He dropped us off piece out, so you never kind
of thing, right, So we we did our thing. Well,
fast forward a year from that, I had been living
in town, you know, writing songs. It was kind of
had like a handshake deal with Riverhouse. Zeb over at
Riverhouse took interest in what I was doing on the
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production side of things, and he was like, he's like,
I'll plug you in with some of my writers if
you will do the demo.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
And so we had this little trade off thing.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well, I was in the middle of that and I
ended up getting a part time gig over at Lucky
Brand at Aubrey Mills. I was, I was working there
and yeah, yeah, so I was. I was working one
day and typically I was stocking shells, but they were shorthanded.
They pulled me out on the floor. So I'm like
trying to find what lady. I wanted to try to
(47:55):
sell jeans to you know. It was my my icebreaker
back then. Didn't work too well. But no this I'm working.
This guy walks in.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
I'm like, man, I know this guy from somewhere.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
So I started chatting with him and realized that he
was my Uber driver from a year earlier. And he
just randomly came into the store was looking for jeans,
and so we hit it off.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I was like, dude, this is crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
So he was like, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I'm like, I've got, you know, a handful of demos
and songs I think are all right, And so I
sent him a handful of those and he went on
his way, and a couple days later he called me
and was like, hey, man, like, I've been listening to
some of the stuff you sent me. He's like, I
feel like there's something. There's something here. There was one
specific idea. He was like, I really think there's something
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to this. So he's like, do you mind if.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
We revisit it. I'm like sure.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
So we hop on zoom. We start revisiting this idea.
Long story short, we finished this idea. We do a
demo for it, I sing the demo, he sends it
off to guys. He told me he's been writing with forever, right,
So I'm like not thinking anything of it. About two
(49:07):
weeks later, I get a phone call out cut my
grass literally weed eat of course, so on brand right, Uh,
cut my grass And I get a phone call and
I answer it and he's like, hey, man, this is
Jason now Dean.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I got your get your phone number from my boy Tully,
and uh. He was like, you know, I've just been
hearing some stuff you've been writing. And he's like, I'd
love to I'd love to meet in person and just
you know, hang whatever. Meanwhile, I'm like sprinting inside to
find like a witness, right, he needed somebody to make
sure this was not a prank call, Uh, to just
show up at Jason now Dean's house.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
He's like, hell is this guy? You know? But now
I was legit.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
He ended up he heard that song, that demo and
a couple of other ones that we had ended up
finishing with some of his bandmates Kurt and Tully, Kurt
Allison Untilie Kennedy and so we had kind of started riding,
as you know, as a foursome like that, and I
think we had like two or three together. So that's
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kind of how he heard about me. And uh yeah,
funny story. Going to meet him for the first time, right,
I'm like, like he was down like spring Hill.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
It was like an hour from me at the time.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Again, had an an older ford that had no ac
in it and middle of August. And he's like, once
you drive down to the house and we'll hang I
load to meet you.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
So I'm like, cool.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
So I'm driving down spring Hill, every window rolled down, dude,
middle of August. You know, you know how it is here, bro,
it was I'm sweating my ass off, like just soaking wet.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
My entire upper tor so is just soaking wet.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Right, And I'll pull up to this house and I'm like,
I'm like pulling up to the White House, right, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Get through the gate. I'm like my truck's like backfiring
and like blowing smoke out in the back.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
You know, I'll pull up through there and he he
comes out to me. I really have time to like
think about it. He kind of came out. I was like,
you know, and I get out of my truck and
he dabs me up, dude, just whole arm soaking wet
from hugging me, And I was like, why does this
happen that he couldn't have given me five minutes to
find an old shirt in the back of my truck.
(51:18):
You know, it was the most awkward encounter at first
because I was just so paranoid about my whole back
being soaken wet.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
But he was so cool.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
He's been so cool to me ever since.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Connect the Uber driver from a year ago, who is
obviously connected and is still riding. Yeah to how that
got to the guys in al Dean's band, so.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
He yeah, I skipped the part. I guess he So.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
The Uber driver whose name is John Edwards, he had
been riding with kurtin Tolly for almost a decade. He
had some cuts on al Dean, like in the early
two thousands, and I think they started riding then he
had a number one with blame It on You during
kind of during that time.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
But yeah, he was he was just buddies with them.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
They just wrote a lot together and so after he
and I finished an idea, he sent them some other
ideas that we had started and they helped us finish
and that's kind of how they made the connection. But
one one other cool thing that that was like the
icing on the cake for me was, you know, Evers
was kind of like he was kind of like little
(52:28):
Jaden Burnt because he, you know, just been through the
wringer on a few different you know, ends of the
music industry. But the coolest thing about all of it was,
you know when when when Jason offered me a pub deal,
he's like, you know, I want to offer your pub bill. Well,
they also he also offered John Evers a pub deal too,
and so that was cool to have the guy kind
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of found me initially be able to get signed with
me and sign a new pub deal and write songs together.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
You know, it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
That is cool. Yeah, I thought all came back around.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
And it's also cool how you continue to be sweaty
from driving un air conditioned because for those and you
probably don't know this, we didn't mention it, but John
was in the bathroom changing his shirt whenever I walked
in because he was sweaty in his put no air
conditioner when he got here. Today. Hey, something's never changed, man,
Something's never changed. Hopefully one day I'll get I'll get
a vehicle with AC. Why don't you get a hicol
(53:21):
with an AC?
Speaker 2 (53:22):
You know what, I'm I'm cheap man.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
I also got three kids to feed, so I'm uh,
that's where most of my most of my spenditures go.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
I feel like, maybe don't buy an eleventh guitar, but
you do get in AC priorities though, right, Yeah, man,
I'm not a big spender. AC's not big spending. No, yeah,
you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
In all reality, probably not, but uh, you know, it
also takes time, man, Like it takes time to go
drop it off.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I've been on the road so much, i haven't even
been home, so I.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Kind of don't hear you, but I yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Let's take a quick pause for a message of our
sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
How was uh Santa my Boots Fest?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, probably one of the coolest setups that I'd seen
at a festival, just as far as like even even
the back uh you know, backstage area.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
I was like, man, this is sick.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Like uh.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Other than that, like the fans showed up early for us,
which was kind of a first for us at a festival,
a big festival like that, you know, coming off of
like having a number one. That's that's that's when you're like, Okay,
I get it now, because you know whereas last summer,
had we been booked at Santa My Boots, we would
have been playing to a bunch of white chairs, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
And we did that.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
We did do that for a long time in that
one two o'clock afternoon slot.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
But this year, man like people showed up.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
It was really cool to see that and see the
growth u you know, on that side of things. But yeah,
the festival in general was really fun. It was a
lot of a lot of good a lot of good people,
a lot of good times.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Before you got here, we talked about the record Carolina Blue.
We talked about your touring. So I want to use
these final two questions, uh in in the most efficient
but meaningful way possible. So question one of two right now?
Who are your favorite four artists current current artists that
you no, no, you're right now. I come up to you.
(55:28):
I'm like, dude, mount Rushmore, your four favorite artists of
all time? Some of them can be the same.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Millsef song there for sure. Probably I
would put Church in there somewhere.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
He's He's been a big influence on me.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Uh just coming from the same area, you know, and
having that same kind of drive.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Who else That's tough, man, it's a tough question.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
Now, I'm meant to be easy.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Keith Whitley's in there.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Huge influence on me early on, coming from the bluegrass background,
you know, switching into country. I always that always intrigued me.
And just you know, he was a stud.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
But def Leppard's last, Yeah, I mean not last, but
that's that's my last pick man.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
They've influenced me a lot.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
In the sonic world, I just love I love that
eighties guitar tones, the course, like all that stuff. When
I when I discovered that, I was like, Wow, this
is this is how a guitar should sound, you know,
and fell in love with it.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
And they've been one of my favorites ever since.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Final question, what did you not expect that's happening now
about being a solo artist front man, solo artist with success? Like,
what's happening now that you didn't quite expect?
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Probably just the time I didn't I didn't realize how
much time it required number one to.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
You know, push a radio single. You know, that was
a big eye opener for me.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
You know, I've had one as a songwriter, but you know,
being on the artist end of it, I now know
what artists go through to promote that single or.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
That album, whatever it may be. And you know, I
have a lot more respect for it.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
And there's a lot a little bit probably a little
sweeter in that that regard having a number one as
as an artist yourself, because you're the one putting the
work in right. But yeah, I would say probably just
you know the time that that you really have to
I've never been, like they'll laugh at me for saying this,
but I've never been like a schedule oriented guy where
(57:41):
I'm like, have every everything in my day planned out,
you know, I'm doing this from nine thirty to the like.
That was just never me and now I have to
be that, right. You have to be otherwise you pull
time out of your personal life and you you lose
time with people that you you know, need to spend
time with, or your kids or.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Whatever it may be. It's like you have to you
have to really get it.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Down to a science to be able to delegate yourself
in the best and not spread yourself then, because that's
the other problem is try to do too much and
you're not giving quality time to anybody.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
You're just there, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
So that that was probably the biggest adjustment at least
for me in my life and the way it was
to now.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
It was probably that Wen, I really appreciate the time.
It's been awesome. I Like I said, I didn't know you,
So it's always cool whenever I don't know somebody and
then I spend an hour with them, because this is
a pretty intimate thing because it's just you and me
depending on each other. I mean, it's a dance. Yeah,
but it's like I like it when I like somebody
after it. Sometimes I don't. Yeah, so a bit yeah,
well yeah, because it's again, it's it's it's a vulnerable
(58:44):
spot for both of us to sit here and just
kind of look at each other and roll. It's like
songwriting a bit too, where you just got to say
stuff and hope the other person backs you up or
like provides and so uh yeah, I like you not
that that matters to you, but it does. Yeah, Yeah,
that's really I appreciate that saying it seemed like a
real guy, and so yeah, I'm rooting for you, and
congratulations obviously on the single doing so well. But there's
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the difference, or, at least at this point in my career,
I can feel a bit of the difference between somebody
who's got a hit single and somebody who is substantial
and is going to have a whatever the version of
success is for a long time. And I feel like
you very much are that second part. Thank you, Yeah,
I appreciate it. So, yeah, this has been really fun
for me, So I really appreciate you coming over saying man,
and if you don't mind fixing on algae in the pool,
(59:29):
got on the way out the way, I guess some
chemicals in my trailer. Perfect, all right, you guys. Follow
John at John Morgan ninety five on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (59:38):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
I sing the demo, he sends it off to guys
that he told me he's been writing with forever.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right, So I'm like not thinking anything of it.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
About two weeks later, cut my grass and I get
a phone call and he's like, hey, man, this is
Jason al Dean. I'd love to meet in person and
just you know, hang whatever. Meanwhile, I'm like sprinting inside
to find like a witness, right, he needed somebody to
make sure this was not a prank.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Call Episode five seventeen with John Morgan and so here's
the truth. I had some dead bushes in the yard,
and so we had called this company to come and
replace the bushes. And so that day they were scheduled
to arrive. And you have a trailer and like take
(00:49):
these And so they pulled up with their trailer and
I thought they were at the house. It was John
Morgan with his trailer. Yeah, it's a huge truck and
trailer and trailer. I thought politic. I thought they were
the but I thought he was the bush guys because
he drew he had yard stuff in his trailer. But
he was and he talks about this. He was coming
from mowing a yard of a property that he rents.
(01:10):
I thought it was the bush guys that it was
so weird. Yeah, I think it takes the award now
for the biggest truck driven over. Does a trailer count?
It counts, Yeah, because he had a big trailer with
the truck. I would compare it to like a U
haul trailer that you get and you attach. But it wasn't.
You all was a little bigger than that. It was white.
A lot of bands will use them as well, like
(01:30):
to drag their equipment. Yeah, but yeah, I thought it
was a bush guy for sure. John Morgan, I mean,
I really like John. We've talked about this before. There's
a certain type of artist that you just feel like
they're all the same until you spend some time with
him and learn why they're a bit different. And that's
like that male artist between like twenty two and thirty
(01:51):
four who sings dude songs. Yeah, they kind of all
blend until you can spend them. I liked John Morgan
a lot. I didn't expect, not that i'd expected not
to like him, but I don't know. I just thought, Okay,
let's just see what's up here. Really nice guy, huh,
he's awesome. Yeah, and he came from own the yard,
so I was like, that's sick here. He didn't even
leave his trailer behind. He actually showed up in his
(02:13):
yard mowing clothes and changed in the bathroom of the studio.
I was like, he's in there, well, oh he's changing. Yeah.
I was like, he must be like me, like newly
lactose intolerant John Morgan. I'm gonna read you some of
the stuff, just like the data. Multiple number ones that
he's written, including sixteen cuts by Jason Alden, which include
al Dean's Trouble with a Heartbreak, which includes al Dean
(02:37):
and Carrie If I Didn't Love You. He's written for
Dustin Lynch, Thomas Rhet, John Party, Michael Ray, and George Burge.
He's toured all out, by the way John's going to
be and he's himself now. He just had a number
one song with al Dean. Alden was on his song
because Aldean signed him. But he's gonna be on tour
with Kane Brown, Old Dominion and Riley Green. His album
Carolina Blue is out now, and I don't know, it's
(03:00):
pretty cool. I think his story is pretty cool. Friends
like that was the name of that song with Jason
al Dean. It was his first country number one as
an artist, so rooting for him, really like him. I mean,
I guess I could read you all the songs he wrote,
but I'm telling you it's a page by itself. He's
on the road. You can go over to his socials
at John Morgan ninety five? Is that the year he
(03:23):
was born? I think so? Or his football number he
wasn't alignman, there's no way, and I think a year
he was born. Okay, on the road, go check him
out and we'll put some down on the notes as well.
Really enjoyed it. Here he is, Episode five seventeen, John Morgan, John,
Good to see you, man. Yeah, you too, Man, How
are you pretty good? First time we met?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I think so right. So sometimes I'll be a total
adutionie of like first time we met people like no,
we met for six seconds backstage and I'm like, my bad,
I didn't remember. But I think the first time we met,
I think it is man, big, you drove a trailer
up to the house. Yeah, sorry about that, don't be sorry.
We always have trailers at the house, not like you
see the trailer. I thought it was like our yard guy,
I don't know. I don't know anymore. I've left that behind.
(04:04):
I mean after my maintenance days on the golf course,
I left that behind. Is that what you were doing?
I got my equipment if you need me to hit it. No,
I'm good. We did it yesterday. I was gonna ask you, though,
our pool is so green. Yeah, I know nothing about pools.
Do you know anything about pools?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I'm learning.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah, apparently there's some algae and they had to come
shocked the pool today. I don't know about the rich
person stuff. I'm still like new to the rich person stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And so the pool is like really green though.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It is a little green alga sada things what was called.
Put a little of that in there and yeah, shocked
the pists out of it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, absolutely, they said they shocked it. So I fit,
would you throw like a hair dryer in it? Like
that's what I thought, like a plug that pair dryer?
Why are you like, what were you doing today? Uh? Well,
So we used.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
To live in the East Nashville and we ended up
moving out to Jolton last year year and a half ago.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And land purposes.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, just wanted a little bit more room and
so When we did that, we were thankfully to keep
our other house and rent it out. So I'm landlording
taking care of my due diligence. Cutting the grass per
per monthly. I won't say I do it every two
weeks because it's not every two weeks, but whenever I'm
home I try to hit it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Is that because you enjoy doing it? Uh? No, it's
just because I'm cheap, okay, one of the two?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, one of the two.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah. And so you drove over and do the people
that are renting it are they running it now? Somebody
running it? Yeah? Do they know that their landlord is
a successful songwriter and now artist. Yeah? Yeah, they're like.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's cool, cool, cool. Can you come cut our grass?
Our grass is up to our waist if you don't mind.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's funny. So do you have a writing more or
do you have to push more, run more? Yeah? I work, man.
It's on a golf course for a long time. Yeah.
And like the rich kids got to be the cart
kids at the club, the poor kids. It was definitely
a class system. The poor kids. We had to be
the maintenance workers on We had a weedy ditches mo
greens in the morning when the sun came out. We
(06:00):
didn't even get the riding mowers. It was all push mowers.
It was the worst. So I thought to myself, as
soon as I have money, I'm never freaking touching a
line more again. Yeah, I'm out. And as soon as
I got money, I never touched a line mower again.
Good for you to have a traumatic relationship with waking
up early, which I still do. That part sucks, but
(06:21):
then having to mow once. I woke up early driving
to the golf course, woke up in somebody's yard. Wasn't drunk,
fell asleep, really fell asleep. Luckily didn't crash into their house.
No alcohol involved none. I've never had drink of alcohol,
so it wasn't like I was drunk for any reason. Ye. Yeah,
that was my bad memory. Yet. What were your jobs
before you got into this career or did you have
(06:42):
jobs while you were in this career initially? Uh? Yeah,
I mean both.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
My first first couple of jobs I had growing up
was cutting grass. I would have a couple of yards
on the side. After I would, you know, get done.
I worked at a tire shop during the day, and
then after I got off I would go cut yards
and had a handful enough to like make good money,
you know, after hours, So I did that. My dad
had a property management business that worked for him for
(07:09):
five or six years.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Oh you're keeping the family business going right, Yeah? Man, Yeah,
it's just in my blood, I guess. So what were
doing at the tire shop? What were your day to
day duties there?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, my freshman year of high school, I started pumping gas.
It was a full service station that my uncle's owned,
so they would let me come down and pump gas
and make tips doing that. So I did that for
pretty much all through high school. That was kind of
the job that was always there if you wanted it.
So I kept that one. And then when I moved
up to the tire shop, you know, it did maintenance stuff,
(07:42):
breaks rotors, front in alignments, will change whatever you need.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I didn't. I didn't manage it, but I basically did.
But I worked at a marina. That's where I learned
how to fix boats, which I never liked while doing it,
but I had so many skills after I was done,
like accidentally, because you just had to figure a bunch
of crap out and act like you knew what you
were doing. At times when you really had no idea
and it was just a figure. Yeah, I was just
(08:09):
kind of figuring stuff out. But I remember I would
pump gas and these people would come in. They'd bring
like a party barge or at times it was like Washtawn, Arkansas,
so it wasn't like there were yachts or anything, but
there'd be these massive yacht type boats or house boats. Yeah,
and I would pump and I would be so pissed
they wouldn't tip me. And I didn't feel like I
needed to be tipped for every boat that came in.
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But if it was a houseboat or a big party
barge that multiple tanks and they didn't tip me, I
resented them for that, as you should. I when you
were working as a you know, ninth or tenth grader
or whatever, you would work pumping gas. Do you expect
to be tipped?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It depends, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
If we're busy and I'm hustling, you know, and there's
three or four cars that pull up at the same time,
like you're jumping back in between right you're running inside,
you know, do their car.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Come back the receipt? I mean, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I would be kind of bond if we were busy,
and I wouldn't get any kind of tip, you know,
even a couple of dollars. You know, it's good enough, right,
at leastah something, because a couple of dollars adds up.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah. When I worked at hobby lobby, dude, a couple
of bucks like eight times a day. Yeah, set me
up for food for like the whole week, right, Yeah. Yeah.
Those jobs where you have to do service are so important,
at least to me. They've been so important for like
the rest of my life. And then how to treat people,
because I think it's really hard to understand what service
goes through until you've done service yourself. And when you're
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that just reminds me of that you're talking about that
job because you're dealing with people that are going about
their days. They want it fast, or they're in a
bad mood or they're in a good mood, and you're
just kind of dealing with it and doing it. But
then once you get on the other side of that,
you tend to treat people a lot better.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, I feel like you it's just you get it right,
You get what their job is, so I feel like,
you know the it's like anything else if you've done it,
you know, the struggles in that particular lane, you know.
So yeah, it's uh, I don't know, man, it's just
all I.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Know, to be honest with you, It's just kind of
how I was brought up.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And you know, if you uh, if you wanted to,
if you want it done right, you do it yourself right.
That's my old man's motto.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So what's he doing now? Is he still alive? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Man, he's playing golf every day.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Really? Yeahs he retired?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Man, he's uh, it's kind of recent, you know, the
last couple of years he's just been kind of winning
himself off.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
He was able to sell the business and kind of
get away from that. So it's been cool the twist
as he sold it to you. And that's what you're doing. Also,
that's why where you came from property management business.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Was there music in your family as far as the
creation like writing or playing? Uh? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I kind of fell into it early.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like my so my mom.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
She's kind of the musical one.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
She she was the one that taught me how to sing,
play piano, hear harmonies like stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Like that shit a great year for that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And my dad could not sing, but he could tell you,
you know, every band in the seventies, every album when
it was released.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Like he was that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So I was pretty fortunate to have kind of both
ends of that, and you know, in my upbringing, you know,
and then you throw bluegrass in the mix, which is,
you know, pretty predominant where I'm from. It's just you know,
something that you it's more of a pastime than anything.
It's not necessarily something people get into as a career,
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but you just, you know, bluegrass is just something you
can sit around on the front porch and play, you know,
with whoever. And so kind of fell into that, but
that's what made me fall in love with the guitar.
Guitar was kind of my first love. And then you know,
learned how to sing a little bit. And then, you know,
after high school, I started, you know, getting into the
songwriting world. I had no idea it was a thing
(11:55):
until you know, seventeen or eighteen. I started studying up
seeing different or seeing the names on different songs that
I like from different artists, right, and you kind of
keep up with that more and that whole world just
opened up to me and I fell in love with
you know, creating an idea and writing songs and so
that's ultimately what brought me here, That's what I wanted
to do.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
When you talk about your mom teaching those things you mentioned,
was she trained in any way? Did she perform ever
in her life or was she just drawn to it
and learned out of a hobby.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
More more so that I mean she you know, she
grew up singing and playing a church, you know, and
I think she took lessons, but she wasn't. She wasn't
somebody who could sit down and sit read. A lot
of it was by ear, So yeah, it was. It
was mainly just for fun. She just enjoyed doing it all.
Most of her family, like on her side, it was
just a musical family. They would just like I said,
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they would get together and have singings just for fun.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Right, So yeah, it just kind of kind of more.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Of a hobby. I guess.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Were you a ballplayer? Yeah, so I'm assuming if you're
a good ballplayer that music really can't dominate until you're
not playing ball anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, I say I was a ballplayer, not a good
ball player.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, here ends up being a good ballplayer. Yeah, because
usually a lot of times, honestly, it's that same kind
of work ethic and drive that makes them a good
ball player when they commit to music. Because some people go, man,
it's crazy how good ball players are always artists, and
I'm like, well, actually the guys and there have been
some girls too that are great athletes and then turn
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to music. What they do is they actually channel that
that work ethic and energy into music. It's not just
that if you're a good ballplayer, you can do music,
but it's like the traits and the discipline that you
learn coming up through playing sports for the most part.
So but it's also rare that somebody's a good ballplayer
and really into music at the exact same time, because
there's so much energy that's to going to one or
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the other.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I agree, I don't know how anybody could do that professionally.
I mean, for me, like I, baseball was kind of
my first love and then when I got into high
school or baseball programs shut down, so kind of transition
into basketball.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Basketball, it came like my thing.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
What happened with the baseball program? Small school?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, tiny, yeah, a little private Christian school. I graduated
with six people.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
So, oh that's real small. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't have
a baseball field, but I was forty. It was like
a public school. We had to play in another team.
Public baseball field. Yeah yeah, small for public school. Superworld
Yeah yeah. So could you not go to play ball
at another school?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I probably could have. I don't know, man, It just
I didn't really think about it too much.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It was you know, I knew I loved baseball. But
I had a really really good coach come through for
our basketball program kind of around that time, and he
really he really changed the game for me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
With basketball.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
He was big on the Princeton offense, which is like,
it's just a slow, methodical ball. Yeah, it's a half
court offense.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
A lot of like everything hasn't out, you always have
an option, right, You're always moving.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So it was just fun for me.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I was you know, I was more of a guard
position at that time, so I was moving a lot,
touching the ball a lot.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I just liked it.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You know, Baseball is obviously a little slower moving game,
which I love now, but uh, softball is definitely what
I would choose have had to pick one now, But
pickleball doll. Yeah, I love pickleball, so you do. Yeah, yeah,
I was just I'm a little rusty. When we're out
with the al Dem Boys, they they set up something.
Brian O'Connell would have a court set up every show
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we were playing. So that was kind of our workout
during that tour.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
But by the way, I wasn't insulting the Printon offense.
I meant, like you said, a half court offense. When
I say slow, I mean, I don't mean everybody needs
to be slow. I mean I'm very familiar with the
Prinson offense. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, everything is very deliberate. Yeah,
the offense sets and goes. So all everybody's watching or
listening to this, it's gonna message me and say the
Prince and offense is not slow. I hear you. Anyway,
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continue on, So did you were you drawn to basketball?
Were pretty good? I was. I was all right at
high school. Uh, you know, I my my school and
the most technicals.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Uh, proud of that. I definitely had a hot head
back in the day. Uh just for sports though. It
was just like you know, I guess is what you're
passionate about.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It was like sports and music.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I would get really frustrated with sometimes, but uh, sports,
I my adrenaline would would encourage me to verbalize that,
you know, and so, uh it was a lot of fun.
But yeah, I think had I got in control of
that early on, I might have been I might have
been able to do something with it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But I knew.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I went to small Christian school done in Pensacola too.
After I graduated, and I coached my high school for
a couple of years and then I was like, I
want to try college.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Went to college.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Wait what, Yeah, you coached for a couple of years. Yeah,
I did, and then went to college. You took two
gap years, but those were coaching gap years. Yeah, did
you think you want to be a coach? Yeah? I
always loved that.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Like I said, uh, the coach that kind of came
in at that time for me was just a really
just a cool guy. I mean we're still buddies, and
you know, he was a younger guy and he just
it was just it was just fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He was fun to work with.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He was fun to like, you know, it's fun to
pick his brain because he was so smart about, you know,
the game, and he was a player himself. He won
like three out of four state championships his high school
career at a big school down east.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Uh, Carolina. So you know, it was just fun.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It was really really cool, and I I appreciated that
side of it and wanted to wanted.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
To try it out.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I coached the middle school girls team my first year,
which was wild. Uh why just trying to get you know,
middle school girls to listen to a twenty one year old,
you know, decent looking guy. It was just it was
just funny. But they were great, man. They we had
a great.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Time and not good uh, not good, uh, but we
had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
And uh.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
The next year I upgraded to the JV boys.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And and the year after that I was assisting of
our arsity then too, And then the year after that
actually coached three seasons total, and the year that my
final year, I coached the varsity boys. And it was
so much fun. Man, It's just like you just put
everything into it, right.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
And we didn't have a great record, but I had
a young team. Man. If I would have had.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Those guys a couple more years, we would have we
would have we would have been pretty good.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
But why do you go to college? Then I just
I was kind of lost. Man.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It was just kind of like coaching was really fun
to me, but I just it was that hometown thing
where I've been and I've been in Silvil my whole life,
and I was just like, man, I feel like I'm
gonna get stuck here if I stay now, you know.
And so I didn't really know what I wanted to
do music at that time. I had been burnt on
the road because I've been on the road since I
was eleven, you know, going to school, playing ball. All
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that stuff was based around me touring and doing the
blue Grosse circuit. We were gone every weekend. We probably
played one hundred and fifty shows a year.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Or were you playing Were you playing guitar? Yeah? Could
you play fast like bluegrass style fast used to be
able to? Yeah? I mean I guess you had to
kind of get in to fit in, right, Yeah. And
I would assume, just my experience, not with bluegrass, but
with anything being around great people, you kind of have
to at least try to be great and get a
lot better or you don't get to hang out with
the great people anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Is that what it was for you at a young age?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, yeah, I knew it because it's like you said,
people don't really care how you sing in bluegrass, but.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
You better be able to play, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And so I really really dove into that and just
being a lead guitar player, and I'm thankful for that
because it allows me to at least hang now, you know,
with with with my guys and what we do.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
So I was wrong. Then, if you're playing at eleven,
you were good at ball and music, because most of
the time it's not it's one or the other with
a lot of folks. But if you're starting even before
you really get serious about ball, which just sounds like
you did, if you're starting at eleven, yeah, yeah, which
were you more passionate about always music?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Man?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, even playing bluegrass like I was playing tradition
bluegrass at that time too in the beginning, and you're
playing the same songs that every other bands play a
different way, right, it's just it's traditional standard bluegrass tunes.
And so it was a lot of fun. But I
just got burnt, man. I was just like, I want
to write my own stuff. I want to do my
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own thing. And it took me a minute to figure
out that's what I wanted to do. But when I did,
that's that's when I was like, all right, I got
I got to move to Nashville now, or I'm gonna
get stuck here.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know, Were you around any other folks that had
been to Nashville and maybe it didn't work out or
it wasn't for them, and they came back and could
tell you that you needed to be in Nashville. Uh,
not anybody who had been and came back.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
But I had.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So my drummer he's from uh same town as me,
and he moved to Nashville about a year before I did.
He was like, man, same thing. He's like, I want
to get a pub deal, I'm going. So he was
kind of the he was a heavy encourager of Like
every weekend he would call me, bro, you gotta come
out here, and right, you're gonna move down here?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
When are you moving?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
He was that guy, And so I had. I had him.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And then I had another buddy from Clayton, Georgia, right
across the line from me, who I grew up with,
Jeb Gibson, who he he got a deal at Seagill
as a writer and before he even moved to town,
he got he got signed, and so you know, seeing
that happen, I was like, man, that's colle At least
I know two people. I had like three friends when
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I moved to that I was really close to, and
they were all in the music industry.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So that was helpful to kind of get.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Established early on just through their friend group and like
trying to hang and meet people. It was like that
helped me a lot, you know, sped the process up.
I feel like a little bit. But yeah, man, it
was a lot of fun. I knew that, you know,
music was always what I was passionate about, no matter
what else I was doing. Like, I knew that was it.
There was a time period where I didn't touch my
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guitar for like a year and a half, and that
was when I was coaching and doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Purpose or just have time for it because you were
consumed with ball, with my middle school girls basketball career.
Uh probably let all you burnt by it. So you're like,
I'm gonna leave it and hopefully the passion comes back,
or I'm gonna leave it because I just don't want
to touch it. Or were you just no time? Probably
a I was.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I was really burnt man, Like, you know, you're on
a sprinter van for I mean literally, I was from
from eleven to really eighteen, I was on the road
in a sprinter van, sleeping on the floor or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's just like I think it just caught up to
me and and that's kind of where I was at
at that point.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Did you have any money saved up? If you're playing
shows at eleven, did you have some money saved up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, I bought my first to my first two vehicles
with Bluegrass money.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Because it's not like there's a lot to spend it
on when you're eleven. No, there's no car insurance. Well
there are things.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
To spend it on, but you don't like you don't
need anything, right, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I was I was like cool, it was nice to
see money in the bank, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, I liked that.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And I've always been a tight wad too.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So yeah, as you mentioned earlier, mowing the yard, Yeah,
I guess at eleven, there's nothing you had you must
spend your money on. It would have been a better
way for me to say that, because yeah, I'd about
baseball cards like crazy, but I didn't need baseball cards.
But at eleven, you don't have to pay insurance, right.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, you don't have any of the bills that take
your you know, the core monthly income out.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You just stocking it up.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Did you know that you didn't want to do bluegrass
while you were doing bluegrass? Or while you were doing it,
did you love and think it was always blue grass
until you got burnt out?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I thought bluegrass was my only option for a while.
I thought, you know, this is all I've been good at,
this is all I probably can do. But you know,
I was always listening. I never listened to bluegrass on
my downtime like it was. I think I heard it
so much on the road that I was just like,
I need a change, just seen when I'm not and
when we're traveling or whatever, I got my headphones in.
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I'm listening to the old school nineties, country, eighties, hair metal,
you know, like all kinds of stuff, seventies. My dad,
like I said, he really influenced me in that era
of music, and.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I was always listening to different stuff and enjoyed that.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
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Speaker 3 (24:36):
Go back to being eighteen, right when you're graduate high school?
Who were your four favorite artists then.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Eighteen? John Mayer was a huge one.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I got into the mayor world, and he's kind of
the guy that He and Keith Urban probably two that
really got me into the electric guitar world because I
was always acoustic. Electric guitar was like has scared me?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Right? I was like, I don't know, I don't know
what all this is. And so.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
They're the two guys who would just their clean tones
like introduced me to, you know, playing a telly and
getting a good clean tone out of a telecaster and
then strattones and then just started adding pedals and like
figuring them out. And I was a bedroom guy too,
you know. I would sit in my bedroom and play
the records all night. That's that's just how I practiced.
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I just loved doing that. And so I would say
those two guys at eighteen. Ronnie Mills has been one
of my favorites forever. Your dad mom, so my mom, Yeah, yeah,
I just I've always loved him and his style and
what he did. But I would say those three guys,
and then then at that time Big three Doors Down fan,
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So I kind of had a little mixture of those.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
But who wasn't Three Doors Down does not get the
credit for having they have so many monthster just data hits, yeah,
meaning number ones, even songs that still stream. But because
they fit in that lane and they were so ubiquitous,
because they could be on rock radio, they could be
their massive pop radio, they could be all alternative that
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they really didn't have a specific area that championed them
because they were everywhere right where. If they just would
have been a rock band, they'd have been, like, man,
talk about a great southern rock. They'd have been held
up high as a standard. But because they were so big,
I feel like they don't get the credit they deserve. Yeah,
because they're just some southern boys that easily could have
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been a country band too. Oh yeah. Like, and I
got a chance to note Brad and Brad's come out
has come out and played with with you know, my
comedy group before and these we did Kryptonite. Dude, I'm
telling him it was freaking awesome. But like I assume
as the drums come in, Dude, it's like chills. You
feel like you.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Can play that drum sol that anybody because it's just
so iconic, right, you're like, oh, I could do that,
you know, and then you watch it, like watch a
video of it, and then he watched Brad do it.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm like, that's what blew my mind. He's back there
singing and playing. I'm like, I'm out, and to see
also his range, Like as a singer. There are a
couple of artists that I've seen and I'm curious to know,
like your thought on this as well. A couple of
artists that I've been around and I watched them perform
and I didn't realize that they either sang so high
or how they sang was so hard. Brad's one of them.
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Because you're talking about songs where he has to go.
I don't even know what key singing in even Krypton,
I was like screaming key like he has to scream
on Tim McGraw, same way, Like he sings so high,
and you just sing a songs on the radio, you're like,
you know, cool, when he sings at a show or
like am I studio or something, You're like, oh, I
could never really he's and he hasn't changed keys at all.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
See that's cool.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I've never seen Tim Love, so I I didn't know that,
but I can see him being that's how truthfully, that's
how al Dean was. I just know, you know, I
get to see his show so many times being on
the road with He asked me to come out and
do the truth with him on that. I think it
was his first the first tour was on and I
was like, oh, yeah, in the bag, that's one of
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my favorite songs. Whatever, dude, I went to go practice
it and I'm like I said, I told Jason, was like, dude,
please don't ever make me sing this bridge because I
cannot hit it. There's no way it's gonna I'm not
getting there. You have to sing the bridge every night.
So we would be up there. There was a couple
of times where you know, he would just he's he's
not a rehearsing guy, right, He's like, yeah, it was
just come on, we're good, you know. So he pulls
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me up there and we're in the middle of it.
We get to the bridge and he looks over at
me and he's like, you got it, you got it.
I'm like, dude, don't do this to make flee thirty
thousand people waiting on the bridge to come.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But yeah, he's very deceptively high.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
A singer, Uh, just like that?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, I again, I'm not a singer. I sing for comedy,
so I have a duo and you know we do
pretty good. But I can sing just well enough that
it doesn't distract from the joke. So I'm not a
vocalist anyway, but I can sing enough, and I did
meet them. Know with Diamond Rio you talk about a
high freaking song and you're just not prepared. Yeah, no chance.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Isn't there a key change? Yeah one too, Yeah, of
course keep.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Complete Another one's Tracy Lawrence paying me a Birmingham. There's
a complete key change. I can't even I'm not a vocalist,
but there's a complete key change. It's a cold, cold cut, right, Yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I forget about though.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It feels almost like the national anthem where you got
to start solo that it gets high and classic mistake. Yeah,
where do you? What? What do you sing? Usually? Like
what key? I'm a big G guy, like you just
go put it in G and I can hang. Yeah.
G used to be my key too, Then you got
a lot better.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I think it got worse. Uh b is.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
For whatever reason, open b Is is a good key
for me. He is a good one. I play and
drop d a lot. Those are probably my go to's.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You move to town and you have a bit, I'd
say it's a little version of Canary and the coal Mine.
Yet buddies that came and they didn't die, and they're like, dude,
you got to come. Canary lived to come to come
to the coal mine. And so you're here. You have
a little support system at least people, you know, how
long until like things I won't even start to happen,
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but you start to kind of get your bearings a
little bit and go, oh, okay, I think I can
do this. Because there's there's very much an intimidation, uh Era,
because you're you're good where you're from. Yeah, but once
you get here, I'm not speaking about you specifically, but
general everybody. Yeah, once you get here, you're like, oh,
I was a good ball player at my high school,
(30:33):
but now I'm here with Yadi or Malina and it's
a whole different ball game. Yeah. How long until you
finally felt comfortable and intimidation turned into kind of motivation? Great?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Great question, Man, I definitely. I definitely had that era
of early on where I was like, I moved here
with the expectation of I know what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That was that was that was my thing.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I'm glad I didn't move he earlier because I probably
would have bounced around, tried too many different things, probably
taking too many other jobs, like not had enough money
saved up to be able to focus on music when
I first moved here.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
But yeah, I knew exactly what I wanted to do.
What was that though?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
He said, Well, I just wanted to write. Man, that
was my thing. I wanted to be a songwriter, and
I knew.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I fell in love with that world, and I was like, man, this,
this is like what I wanted to do. I knew,
you know, being an artist was always in the back
of my mind. But like I said, you mentioned it earlier,
it was like I felt like bluegrass was the only
option for that right. I didn't know truthfully, I didn't
know that I had a lead voice until I moved
to town and I started doing demo work because I
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got into production early on when I first moved here.
I knew that would get me into better writing rooms.
So I'm like I can do a demo. I know
how to do it enough, right, So I started, you know,
investing into equipment and like getting a little set up room,
and you know that eventually turned into me, uh, you know,
having to sing demos and like people being like, hey,
(32:08):
will you throw a vocal on this?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Or out of necessity by the way, yeah, I don't
think you're just dying to sing, but out of necessity
you kind of found a voice.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I was always a harmony singer. I mean I sang
lead on a few songs here and there, but it
was predominantly a harmony guy. And so when I started
doing that. I'm also a perfectionist when it comes to music,
Like I just I'm super anal about certain things.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Is that the bluegrass background, because it's that is so specific.
Bluegrass is so specific and also at the same time
jazz right, Yeah, you can move around a bit, but
if you don't move around the exact right spot, it
can be disastrous. It can be beautiful, yeah, but it
can be disastrous. And I always find the bluegrass players
are what are are like you are, Like, they're super
(32:50):
anal about specific things when it comes to production. Yeah,
do you think that's where that comes from.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
It could be, man, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's that Princeton offense mindset right where you're like, I
just like, I like, for one, if I'm doing a vocal,
I want it to be super clean. You know, I'm
very That's one of my pet peeves is like making
sure I edit all my vocals. Uh, you know, clean
them up, get them, get them sounding right. But yeah,
(33:18):
I don't know, man. I think production is what got
me into better rooms as a writer. And I knew
that if I could get in rooms with hit songwriters,
I could figure it out.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You could learn from them or yeah, you could just
see see what they're like, what the secret is behind
the closed doors? Yeah, and then you could do that because.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
There's got to be a secret, right, You're like, how
are these guys writing multiple multiple hits for decades?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
You know, the guys Ashley Gorley have seven hundred hits?
Like what's he doing over and over again? Yeah? What
is he doing? Because there's something? Yeah, there has to be, yeah, right,
there has to be. What'd you learn? What was the secret?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Man?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I I learned that these guys are just so articulate.
They I think the biggest thing that I learned from
especially early on, right early on, from guys like Mike Delaney,
Brett Beaver's, you know, Casey Bether. Those were some of
the guys that I got put into rooms with when
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I first got signed. So I was extremely nervous, new guy.
But sitting in the room with them, the one thing
I learned about all of them is they didn't waste
any lines. There's no lines wasted. There's no fat in
any of the lines. You're not saying words just to
put them there in fill a space. Like every word
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has a purpose, right, every line is purposeful. It's getting
you to the next one where it's getting into the
hook of the song. Like those are the kind of
things that I needed because I you.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Know, I realized too.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It made me realize my ideas that I was writing
back home in North Carolina. They weren't bad ideas. I
just didn't know how to get them there, you know,
I was. I was talking about a bunch of random
crap in the verses, and it made no sense when
I got to the chorus. You know, that was something
that I learned from those guys is really tying that
in Casey is the king of like writing all the
way around and somehow ending back.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Up with a hook, you know, in the best way.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
So that was probably the main thing I've taken from
those guys is just cut the fat, like, make sure
every line is purposeful. They're also not guys who finished
at three pm. That was the kicker for Ashley. I'm like, dude,
how in the world are you so quick?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That was that was the thing when I wrote with
him for the first time, Like he just you just roll,
you roll with it, you figure it out, and he
moves a lot faster than my brain though, So uh,
that was cool to watch. But yeah, there's so many
different things. I try to always be a sponge when
I'm in those rooms.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I spent some time because I had written a bunch
of comedy I've written a buch jokes, a bunch of
comedy songs. But I called a friend of mine who's
a songwriter, and I said, hey, I have an idea.
I'd seen this thing on one of the news shows,
like in Japan. They had a hologram that was in
like seven places at once. It was an opening act
for a bunch of real artists and they would write
songs for the hologram. It was a version of what
(36:06):
way back in the day, what was Damon Albert Guerrilla
the Gorillas, the cartoon the Gorillas. Yeah, And I called
my friend, I said, Hey, I think there's something here
for us in this world. I said, let's let's try it.
And he was like cool. And so because I had
this idea, it was me, and it was Ross Kopperman,
(36:28):
it was Nicole Gallian and they were very accomplished songwriters,
lots of hits. So so what was chasing that idea?
And we had built this group called Neon People, and
we were writing all these songs. Now what I what
I learned from being with them, because they do that
every day at a high level, reinforced. I guess what
I learned about other things too, was reps. The importance
(36:50):
of freakin' reps, because I'd be in and by the way,
they are extremely elevated when it comes to songwriting but
word play, and I would go like, how did you
figure that out? And honestly, it'd be like, dude, we've
done this ten thousand times, like the first twenty two hundred.
It was terrible. Yeah, And it was. Even the greats
(37:11):
in that world will credit to just doing it over
and over again with really good people. And yeah, it
wasn't that good to begin with, but now it's just
the reps, the reps, the reps, and you naturally get
a lot better the more you do it and the
better people you do it with. And that's also what
I'm hearing when you talk about these guys, because those
are legends, and I've read with Jim Beavers a bunch. Yeah,
it's just the funniest And that's why him and I
wrote together, because he was so funny. Yeah, But it
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was like, even in songwriting, which is a really cerebral thing,
it's not like you just go, I'm a great songwriter.
This is the second song I've ever written gold. Yeah,
it's not that. No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's a great point, man.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It's just like anything else, the more you do it,
the more you're like, Okay, that didn't work last time.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Let's trust something else, you know.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And I think the other big factor, especially in Nashville,
is like who are you collaborating with? You know, because
you get two really great lyricists in a room, it
could go either way.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
It could go really well, or it could you could
get you could.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Hit a wall in the middle of the right, you know,
because uh that that was something that I I don't
know if I necessarily learned it, but like took on
that role of like I'm going to be the chameleon
in every room. If if if I'm in the room
with you know, a Brett Beavers or you know, most
of these guys are they they had They're great melodically,
lyrically like they like you said, they've done it so
(38:29):
much that.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
They're good at all ends.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
But they prefer some some of these guys prefer to
do one thing. So I just try to fill that
hole whatever whatever room I'm in. If if we need
a track going, I'll hop on, I'll get a vibe
going on to to keep the ball rolling. If if
we're getting stumped on an idea, I'll throw out some ideas.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, whatever it is. I try to be a
chameleon in the room and and do that. Did you
purposefully and I'll call that a utility player? Did you
purposefully have more utility because you got here and wanted
to be valuable in whatever room, or did you have
those skills because of all the time you had spent
doing it growing up. I'd like to think both.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You know, again, bluegrass, you got to play multiple instruments,
you know, you got to be able to sing different
harmony parts. You got to be able to, you know,
kind of adapt in the same way. I think that's
what allowed me to do it, was just to have
the ability of doing it.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Was that.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
But yeah, the driving force was just I wanted to
be in better rooms and I wanted to be a songwriter.
And I thankfully, you know, I was twenty three twenty
four when I officially moved here, and I moved at
like the weirdest time ever in twenty twenty. So a
lot of my first big rights were over Zoom. And
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that was just an adjustment in all and of itself,
because I'm very much ah in person kind of guy,
and so I had to I had to really become
a good lyricist, because you can't sit there and play
the whole time when you're on zoom. You know, you're
just pissing everybody off with the lag and all the
different things. So I had to learn how to sit
there and mute myself, play in the room, try to
(40:12):
come up with a line Hey, guys, what about this?
You know, it made me have to be a better lyricist.
I'm actually thankful for that. First, you know, a couple
of months and almost a year of writing on Zoom
with some of these hit songwriters was kind of watching
them do the same thing too on the other end,
and how their brain works and processing you know, the
(40:33):
storyline and the idea. It was a lot of fun eventually.
At first it was extremely intimidating, but you know, I
learned a lot from that year.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Any awkwardness with co writing because you got to say
stuff now, yeah, and it may not be warmly accepted,
not negatively, Yeah, but most things don't go into the song.
Yeah that's awkward, Yeah, it is. It can be at first.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I've definitely said some things that I wish I didn't
say in front of a hit songwriter.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Early on, I'm sure. Yeah, later you learn if you
say something that you shouldn't have said it, maybe it
turns into something else and you have freedom with it.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Dude, nailed it.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Like early on, you're like at the first stage is
like you're too scared to say anything. And then when
you finally get a little enough golf to actually say
what's on your mind.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
You're like, oh, man, that was stupid. He didn't like it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
And then you get to the point eventually where you're like, yeah,
here's that, and you're like, he didn't buy it on it,
and then you know, like Brett was Brett did that
on So we wrote one time. Brett Biebers and I
wrote one time, and we wrote Trouble with the Heartbreak,
which became number one for both of us, never written
since he moved to Florida.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think that was his cash out.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
He was like, yeah, I'm piecing out.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Let's see later.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
I'm like, cool, but no.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
We wrote one time and I remember him specifically doing
that in that room for that song where I was
like I threw something out that I thought was kind
of cool or it might be something to It was
a line, and he didn't say anything. He didn't acknowledge.
He didn't he wasn't like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he
was just he had his falling out and he was
He just kind of looked at me and shook his
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head and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
I was like, that was my cue.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I think but literally five minutes later he was like, hey,
you know that thing you said.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I was.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I was over here messing with it, and he literally
made it cool. You know, So he took something that
I thought was stupid and made it cool. It just
sparked him in that way.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
So you're exactly right.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Man, Like, you can't be afraid to say something in
a room.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
It's not stupid til it's stupid.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Right. It is a maturation process too, of going from
like I'm scared to say anything, cause again, in my
world pretty big fish. But I'm writing with Ross and
Nicole and I know them, yeah, and I'm like, ah,
I'm sure everything about to say stupid I don't want
to say. So I went through like a hyper fast
version of that, being like I don't want to say
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anything because it's stupid. And then I'd be like, Okay,
this is totally stupid. Let me just and I would
preface it every time with how dumb What I was
about to say was just say it, Yeah, say it,
And then you know, five or six songs into it,
you're just like saying the dumbest crap and that's okay,
because sometimes that dumb crap would not you woudn't even
use it, but did plan a seed. Sometimes they would
(43:24):
go a direction that was similar to the dumb thing
that was said, yeah and yeah, I was on like
the super fast Billy Madison version of that. But that's
and I was glad I got to do that because
I can understand when songwriters talk about that now. Yeah,
because you who was the first songwriter that you were
with that kind of gave you a little a confidence
(43:45):
that you could hang uh Mike Delaney.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, he was the first guy, first big writer that
I that I got on a room with, and he
was He's just a laid back guy in general. So
his his personality is just pretty welcoming right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
He's not somebody that really.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Have to warm up to in some ways, his humor
you have to warm up to, but like him as
a guy, just the nicest guy in the world. And
so early on he was definitely that guy for me
that that I guess saw something and what I was
doing and was like, I like this, let's we can
write for these guys, but let's write for you. Let's
let's you know what I do is do you have?
(44:27):
That was that was when I felt like Okay, I
can hang. When I was throwing out my ideas that
I came up with at my house, you know, and
bringing him into the room, and guys like him were confirming.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
That that that it was a good idea. That's when
I was like, that's cool, man.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
That that encouraged me to you know, to keep rolling
because I'm like, if he likes it, then there's got
to be something to it, right.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
So, uh, he was the first guy.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Like I said, Brett was another guy you know that
that really encouraged me in a lot of ways. Who else, man, Uh,
there's there's there's a handful of guys.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Brent Anderson, my producer, was a guy early on too
who really encouraged me in that way.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Lydia Vaughan's a younger writer that I met.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
She was she was signed at Corman for maybe a
year when we met and I was unsigned, had nothing
going on, and she took a chance on writing with me,
and we've written, you know, multiple times a month ever
since then and become really close friends too.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
So yeah, those she's.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
One of the best in talent, uh, in my opinion,
just all the way around, she's as good as a
lyricist as she is a melody person. You know she
can play. It's like triple threat. But those are some
of the early ones for me.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
The Bobby Cast will be right back is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
How soon did you and Jason start to know each other?
My assumption is you wrote a bunch of songs, ended
up cutting, and your name is showed up over and
over again, Like that would be the version in my
head to plays because you have a lot of iden kites. Yeah.
And then he's like, well, this guy John keeps showing up,
maybe I should meet him. That's my fictional world of
what happened. What really did happen? That would make more sense.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
No, He So when I first moved to town, I,
you know, obviously never lived in a city. I didn't
know anything about Nashville really, just other than the music scene.
So when I moved here, I was crashing on my
drummer's couch and he he's like, man, I'd love to
show you around town. We went out to eat one night,
(46:44):
called it uber guy picks us up. We start chatting.
Really cool guy. He's telling us about his story. I've
been in Nashville for twenty years. Da da da written
some songs for some guys back in the day. So
we kind of take you with a grain of salt, right,
Like everybody, everybody in Nashville's got a story and they
I'll be connected in the music industry in some way.
So I didn't really think anything of it, to be
(47:04):
honest with you. It was a nice guy we met.
He dropped us off piece out, so you never kind
of thing, right, So we we did our thing. Well,
fast forward a year from that, I had been living
in town, you know, writing songs. It was kind of
had like a handshake deal with Riverhouse. Zeb over at
Riverhouse took interest in what I was doing on the
(47:25):
production side of things, and he was like, he's like,
I'll plug you in with some of my writers if
you will do the demo.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
And so we had this little trade off thing.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well, I was in the middle of that and I
ended up getting a part time gig over at Lucky
Brand at Aubrey Mills. I was, I was working there
and yeah, yeah, so I was. I was working one
day and typically I was stocking shells, but they were shorthanded.
They pulled me out on the floor. So I'm like
trying to find what lady. I wanted to try to
(47:55):
sell jeans to you know. It was my my icebreaker
back then. Didn't work too well. But no this I'm working.
This guy walks in.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
I'm like, man, I know this guy from somewhere.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
So I started chatting with him and realized that he
was my Uber driver from a year earlier. And he
just randomly came into the store was looking for jeans,
and so we hit it off.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
I was like, dude, this is crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
So he was like, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I'm like, I've got, you know, a handful of demos
and songs I think are all right, And so I
sent him a handful of those and he went on
his way, and a couple days later he called me
and was like, hey, man, like, I've been listening to
some of the stuff you sent me. He's like, I
feel like there's something. There's something here. There was one
specific idea. He was like, I really think there's something
(48:42):
to this. So he's like, do you mind if.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
We revisit it. I'm like sure.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
So we hop on zoom. We start revisiting this idea.
Long story short, we finished this idea. We do a
demo for it, I sing the demo, he sends it
off to guys. He told me he's been writing with forever, right,
So I'm like not thinking anything of it. About two
(49:07):
weeks later, I get a phone call out cut my
grass literally weed eat of course, so on brand right, Uh,
cut my grass And I get a phone call and
I answer it and he's like, hey, man, this is
Jason now Dean.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I got your get your phone number from my boy Tully,
and uh. He was like, you know, I've just been
hearing some stuff you've been writing. And he's like, I'd
love to I'd love to meet in person and just
you know, hang whatever. Meanwhile, I'm like sprinting inside to
find like a witness, right, he needed somebody to make
sure this was not a prank call, Uh, to just
show up at Jason now Dean's house.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
He's like, hell is this guy? You know? But now
I was legit.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
He ended up he heard that song, that demo and
a couple of other ones that we had ended up
finishing with some of his bandmates Kurt and Tully, Kurt
Allison Untilie Kennedy and so we had kind of started riding,
as you know, as a foursome like that, and I
think we had like two or three together. So that's
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kind of how he heard about me. And uh yeah,
funny story. Going to meet him for the first time, right,
I'm like, like he was down like spring Hill.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
It was like an hour from me at the time.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Again, had an an older ford that had no ac
in it and middle of August. And he's like, once
you drive down to the house and we'll hang I
load to meet you.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
So I'm like, cool.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
So I'm driving down spring Hill, every window rolled down, dude,
middle of August. You know, you know how it is here, bro,
it was I'm sweating my ass off, like just soaking wet.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
My entire upper tor so is just soaking wet.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Right, And I'll pull up to this house and I'm like,
I'm like pulling up to the White House, right, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Get through the gate. I'm like my truck's like backfiring
and like blowing smoke out in the back.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
You know, I'll pull up through there and he he
comes out to me. I really have time to like
think about it. He kind of came out. I was like,
you know, and I get out of my truck and
he dabs me up, dude, just whole arm soaking wet
from hugging me, And I was like, why does this
happen that he couldn't have given me five minutes to
find an old shirt in the back of my truck.
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You know, it was the most awkward encounter at first
because I was just so paranoid about my whole back
being soaken wet.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
But he was so cool.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
He's been so cool to me ever since.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
Connect the Uber driver from a year ago, who is
obviously connected and is still riding. Yeah to how that
got to the guys in al Dean's band, so.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
He yeah, I skipped the part. I guess he So.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
The Uber driver whose name is John Edwards, he had
been riding with kurtin Tolly for almost a decade. He
had some cuts on al Dean, like in the early
two thousands, and I think they started riding then he
had a number one with blame It on You during
kind of during that time.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
But yeah, he was he was just buddies with them.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
They just wrote a lot together and so after he
and I finished an idea, he sent them some other
ideas that we had started and they helped us finish
and that's kind of how they made the connection. But
one one other cool thing that that was like the
icing on the cake for me was, you know, Evers
was kind of like he was kind of like little
(52:28):
Jaden Burnt because he, you know, just been through the
wringer on a few different you know, ends of the
music industry. But the coolest thing about all of it was,
you know when when when Jason offered me a pub deal,
he's like, you know, I want to offer your pub bill. Well,
they also he also offered John Evers a pub deal too,
and so that was cool to have the guy kind
(52:49):
of found me initially be able to get signed with
me and sign a new pub deal and write songs together.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
You know, it was really cool.
Speaker 3 (52:57):
That is cool. Yeah, I thought all came back around.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
And it's also cool how you continue to be sweaty
from driving un air conditioned because for those and you
probably don't know this, we didn't mention it, but John
was in the bathroom changing his shirt whenever I walked
in because he was sweaty in his put no air
conditioner when he got here. Today. Hey, something's never changed, man,
Something's never changed. Hopefully one day I'll get I'll get
a vehicle with AC. Why don't you get a hicol
(53:21):
with an AC?
Speaker 2 (53:22):
You know what, I'm I'm cheap man.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
I also got three kids to feed, so I'm uh,
that's where most of my most of my spenditures go.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
I feel like, maybe don't buy an eleventh guitar, but
you do get in AC priorities though, right, Yeah, man,
I'm not a big spender. AC's not big spending. No, yeah,
you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
In all reality, probably not, but uh, you know, it
also takes time, man, Like it takes time to go
drop it off.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I've been on the road so much, i haven't even
been home, so I.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Kind of don't hear you, but I yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
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Speaker 3 (54:12):
How was uh Santa my Boots Fest?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, probably one of the coolest setups that I'd seen
at a festival, just as far as like even even
the back uh you know, backstage area.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
I was like, man, this is sick.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Like uh.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Other than that, like the fans showed up early for us,
which was kind of a first for us at a festival,
a big festival like that, you know, coming off of
like having a number one. That's that's that's when you're like, Okay,
I get it now, because you know whereas last summer,
had we been booked at Santa My Boots, we would
have been playing to a bunch of white chairs, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
And we did that.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
We did do that for a long time in that
one two o'clock afternoon slot.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
But this year, man like people showed up.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
It was really cool to see that and see the
growth u you know, on that side of things. But yeah,
the festival in general was really fun. It was a
lot of a lot of good a lot of good people,
a lot of good times.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Before you got here, we talked about the record Carolina Blue.
We talked about your touring. So I want to use
these final two questions, uh in in the most efficient
but meaningful way possible. So question one of two right now?
Who are your favorite four artists current current artists that
you no, no, you're right now. I come up to you.
(55:28):
I'm like, dude, mount Rushmore, your four favorite artists of
all time? Some of them can be the same.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Millsef song there for sure. Probably I
would put Church in there somewhere.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
He's He's been a big influence on me.
Speaker 1 (55:47):
Uh just coming from the same area, you know, and
having that same kind of drive.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
Who else That's tough, man, it's a tough question.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
Now, I'm meant to be easy.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Keith Whitley's in there.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Huge influence on me early on, coming from the bluegrass background,
you know, switching into country. I always that always intrigued me.
And just you know, he was a stud.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
But def Leppard's last, Yeah, I mean not last, but
that's that's my last pick man.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
They've influenced me a lot.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
In the sonic world, I just love I love that
eighties guitar tones, the course, like all that stuff. When
I when I discovered that, I was like, Wow, this
is this is how a guitar should sound, you know,
and fell in love with it.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
And they've been one of my favorites ever since.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Final question, what did you not expect that's happening now
about being a solo artist front man, solo artist with success? Like,
what's happening now that you didn't quite expect?
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Probably just the time I didn't I didn't realize how
much time it required number one to.
Speaker 3 (57:03):
You know, push a radio single. You know, that was
a big eye opener for me.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
You know, I've had one as a songwriter, but you know,
being on the artist end of it, I now know
what artists go through to promote that single or.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
That album, whatever it may be. And you know, I
have a lot more respect for it.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
And there's a lot a little bit probably a little
sweeter in that that regard having a number one as
as an artist yourself, because you're the one putting the
work in right. But yeah, I would say probably just
you know the time that that you really have to
I've never been, like they'll laugh at me for saying this,
but I've never been like a schedule oriented guy where
(57:41):
I'm like, have every everything in my day planned out,
you know, I'm doing this from nine thirty to the like.
That was just never me and now I have to
be that, right. You have to be otherwise you pull
time out of your personal life and you you lose
time with people that you you know, need to spend
time with, or your kids or.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Whatever it may be. It's like you have to you
have to really get it.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Down to a science to be able to delegate yourself
in the best and not spread yourself then, because that's
the other problem is try to do too much and
you're not giving quality time to anybody.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
You're just there, you know.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
So that that was probably the biggest adjustment at least
for me in my life and the way it was
to now.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
It was probably that Wen, I really appreciate the time.
It's been awesome. I Like I said, I didn't know you,
So it's always cool whenever I don't know somebody and
then I spend an hour with them, because this is
a pretty intimate thing because it's just you and me
depending on each other. I mean, it's a dance. Yeah,
but it's like I like it when I like somebody
after it. Sometimes I don't. Yeah, so a bit yeah,
well yeah, because it's again, it's it's it's a vulnerable
(58:44):
spot for both of us to sit here and just
kind of look at each other and roll. It's like
songwriting a bit too, where you just got to say
stuff and hope the other person backs you up or
like provides and so uh yeah, I like you not
that that matters to you, but it does. Yeah, Yeah,
that's really I appreciate that saying it seemed like a
real guy, and so yeah, I'm rooting for you, and
congratulations obviously on the single doing so well. But there's
(59:07):
the difference, or, at least at this point in my career,
I can feel a bit of the difference between somebody
who's got a hit single and somebody who is substantial
and is going to have a whatever the version of
success is for a long time. And I feel like
you very much are that second part. Thank you, Yeah,
I appreciate it. So, yeah, this has been really fun
for me, So I really appreciate you coming over saying man,
and if you don't mind fixing on algae in the pool,
(59:29):
got on the way out the way, I guess some
chemicals in my trailer. Perfect, all right, you guys. Follow
John at John Morgan ninety five on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (59:38):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
Host
Bobby Bones
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