On this episode of the BobbyCast, singer/songwriter Allie Colleen returns! Allie talked about the inspiration behind her 30+ tattoos, and whether or not a tattoo or writing a song is more personal for her. Plus, Allie discussed wanting her dad, Garth Brooks, to just be her dad and not try to navigate her music career. Bobby and Allie also talked about their love and hatred for working out, why Oklahoma isn't where she considers 'home', and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
I think he's very, very hesitant to tell me anything
about music, you know what I mean, because it just
doesn't work the same as it did.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I mean, you're talking about generations different.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe
I shouldn't do social media like for myself, like the
Preserve Alley.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But I'm like, who else is going to do it?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Like I'm an independent artist.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Episode five eighteen of The Bobby Cast with Ali Coleen.
She just put out a new EP called Sincerely Rolling Stone,
and I found because we've had her before and I've
always tried to be sensitivebout the fact that she is
her own artist. She's also Garth Brooks's daughter, and I
never want to be like, hey, so Garth's daughter. And
(00:47):
I felt like in the first time, we really didn't
do that much at all till the end. But this time,
so much of her music this time is about and
you can correct me if I'm wrong here about how
she balanced it deals lives with the fact that there's
an expectation on her because she's Garth's daughter.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Do you feel like that's accurate? Yeah, she got deep
into it here, felt like therapy throughout.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And I think it was because really a lot of
her music this time is about those feelings that surround that,
and we talked about it. Otherwise, I don't think I
would have just canniballed into it. I would have definitely
respected her as she is as her own artist. But
I was grateful for her generosity in that area. Yeah,
it was almost like he couldn't talk about the music
(01:31):
without talking about that. Yeah, so know that, know that
I would have for sure just been like, hey, let's
talk about your music, because I definitely respect her as
an artist and as a songwriter and just who she
is as a person.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So yeah, that's it. I just want to make sure
we're all cool there.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
She's Garth's daughter, but she's also first and foremost Ali Coleen,
her definite own person. She has a lot of tattoos.
We talk about that. Her arms are and her even
her legs are covered in art. I won't even say tattoos.
It's like one big art project. She didn't sing a
lot growing up, especially not in front of her family.
I don't know if we talked about horses this.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Time, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh, well, a place in her house we talked about
that's true. That's true, but she's big horse person, so
we'll just get to it right now, Episode five eighteen
Ali Coleen. Follow her on Instagram, Alikolen Music or check
it out alikolen music dot com. I don't want to
spoil anything, but when she's like people just expect me
(02:33):
to play friends in little places, that was kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I here you go enjoy.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Right before we went on, we were talking about exercising.
I don't like going to the gym.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I don't like exercising, but I think I six days
a week probably What do you not like about it? Everything?
I hate it? What do you like about it? Though?
Because you get fired up you're like, I just like going, like,
what is it about it?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You still love it?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I think it's it's a big control thing, right like,
because I think there's a lot of stuff you doing
here in your day that you don't want to do,
and I get to choose to do this one. It's
also like such a release. I'm an angry guy sometimes,
you know what I mean, and I don't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
When I get out of there.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's funny that that is because everybody has different ways
to release, and I do have friends that are similar
to you and they like to And I own a
bunch of boxing gyms here in town for a long time,
and so I liked it, but I never found my
release in that, and like the exerting physically, I think
mostly my release is like getting a burner account, so
(03:38):
social media and going after people.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's my role.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do you link it to performing the gym? No, because
like you don't ever stop performing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I hate the gym, though, Okay, let's break this up.
I like I like where you're, where you're taking me.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I feel like my day is constantly creating content, regardless
thinking of it talking about it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I got like five shows.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
If I'm touring a part of the year if I'm
coming up, so that's always happening. I still hate the gym,
even though I'm able to separate from it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I just hate.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I like exercising. If there's a Okay, you put me here,
I got it. I like competing. I like competing it's
other people and beating other people because I'm so insecure
that I have to beat people that stuff to feel
good about myself. And so if my exercise comes from that,
a plus, will do it all day. So beat Bobby
but I don't like that because I can beat Bobby
(04:29):
or I can lose to Bobby.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Bobby.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I can beat Bobby or I can lose to Bobby.
By the way, Bobby wins, I don't like running. It's
what I don't like running.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
On there's Bobby and there's the self.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, but even if the self wins or if Bobby wins,
either way, I still won.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Oh, the self can lose to Bobby dog.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, but that's okay because then Bobby's still one, one
of the Bobby's one.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, so.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You liked you go, Okay, what do you do your box?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You say, I go to hot box when I don't
want to do anything, because then you show up and
you're in a class and you have to and then
the competition comes in and it's like, well, I'm gonna
work harder than the dude next to me today, so
that I do that. When I don't want to do something,
I go to hot box because I know my weaknesses,
and that is pushing myself.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I don't want to My weakness is just getting up
to go once I get in the car, if I
go to the gym, or I'm good.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's just getting like put in my clothes on.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
When was the last time you bought a new gym outfit.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Bobby, Oh no, never, not in forever. But I'm good though.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm just telling you right now, I like a cutite
by a new gym fit. I'm in the next day,
I'm probably in that night.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know what I mean. I'm in the fit, I'm
in the gym. I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I don't think I usually just cut out sleeves of
old shirts and that's a new outfit for me.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Though. Long as I cut sleeves out, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
We could also debunk that if you wanted to, but
we don't have to.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I don't think so. I think that's a new shirt
for me. My wife tells me all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
She goes, I see you cut sleeves out of two
more of your shirts I like to wear. I think
that's one of my simple joys, wearing cutout shirts.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Do you ever feel that way about your laces?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
So here's the thing about my laces. My laces are
and we're look at us, Hey, look at us. Similar
I liked where my lace is loose. If they're shoes
that I know, I'm gonna do nothing athletic in and
then I can slide on and off. Yeah, and then
I have shoes that are very similar that the strings
(06:15):
all pull them out, and I keep them tight just
in case I have to, like run, if I'm getting
robbed or something. I think that would be that reason.
What is your lace theory? Because yours a loose as well.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Mine are loose, but they're also the they can't be
longer you go to step on them, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, but you got to make them so loose as
they can't because if you made them the exact link
they were, you would step on them like you've kept
them loose to the front of the foot.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I feel like these are my shoes,
It says I. There's nothing I can do except work,
and I love shoes. I didn't have a bunch shoes
growing up as a kid, so now it's these are
very expensive shoes. And I say that in the way
if I had never had good shoes growing up, so
now I buy expensive shoes.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I played a show for a roofing company in Oklahoma,
and it was the wife's birthday, and she gotten into
a Louis Vuitton set.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
For her cow at that party of wait what.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
She got a louisiton like harness, like a whole set. Yeah,
they made me think about it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They make Louis Biton harnesses, I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Think they do. I think they did, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
For one, I think so? Yeah, so those are just listening.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I have on a pair of air Max red Nike
Louis Biton and I love them. And when I put
these on, I know that I can't hop into a
pickleball match.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That seems more like a personal boundary for you than
the shoe. But I think I will hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Really yeah, I have to tighten these way up. I
can do. So what's your shoe deal?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Because you you you have a pretty cool fashion since
in general, why I love.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Half and half. I always have.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
When I was probably in like eighth grade, my sister
got a pair of kool Aids and she couldn't pick
between the yellow pair and the green pears, so she
bought both and she wore like the right and left
shoe of both colors. And ever since then, I've been
obsessed with half and half. So my laces are half
and half for tour, I have a Timberlin and a
black Timberlain. I always mix my converse half and half.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
That wouldn't work for me.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I'm pretty colorblind in general, so I'd accidentally be normal.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But you could tell the difference between a dark shoe and.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
A light shoe if it was black and white. Yeah,
but blue and green? Now?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Can you tell that my laces are different?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I didn't notice that we were different until you said that.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I don't know too much about the whole color blind thing.
It's certain colors for certain people.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Right, all minds dark colors.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
After about a six on the scale, it's all black,
maybe six point five.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
How do you pick the colors you like to wear?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I love red. I weren't a lot of red today
because you can see it, or I can see.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Red a little darker. But yeah, I wear a lot
of red or light colors. My wife helps me. When
I was in high school and I would go I
was in Key Club and which is Kwana's educating youth,
and I would go speak and try to win scholarships.
And so they let me because of my quote unquote disability.
I don't say that now, but they let me take
my friend with me to match clothes because I couldn't
tell the difference.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I really didn't need them, but.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
The camaraderie is kind of cool, but that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
No, I really didn't need them because I can just
like now. A lot of my stuff's labeled as well.
But I'm not blind, but my right eye doesn't work.
I have eight percent vision of my right eye in general,
so I should have a handicap sticker and I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And you still pickleball the hell out of it though.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Imagine though I've had both eyes, how good I would be.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I don't think anyone wants to.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They shouldn't give me Unstoppable because I want a bronze
medal with a one eye. Imagine I've had both eyes
and if I have a silver? Do you play pickleball
at all?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm going to tell you no, but yes, I do
play pickleball.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeh.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So if you're going to work out, though, you say
you go to you don't have say the name of
the gym, but you go to like a I just go.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
To like local gym when I want to work out
that has like free weights.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I love lifting and you can make yourself work hard, yeah,
because I can make myself work hard at work.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's hard for me.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
To just push myself physically to the point where it's uncomfortable,
which I pay a trainer to do. But it's hard
for me to push myself in that part of my
life that I push myself so hard it makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But you can do that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, I feel like I perform for everybody else all
the time, and the gym is the only place that
I only perform for Ali.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I feel like I don't want to perform anywhere else,
and the gym's part of the place I don't want
to perform.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I can't relate to not wanting to perform.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, I don't. I'm such an introvert when I'm not
an extrovert, But.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You don't perform for yourself at home.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I perform for my dogs. I do bits all the
time for my dogs and my wife. But she didn't
really like to.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Bitch, Oh the world's your dogs have seen?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah? Yeah, I do a lot of bits. But I'm
very introverted.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
If I'm not on a lot of people will go
if they'll send me a restaurant or something, and they
won't come say hi, this is the annoying part about it.
They won't come say hi, but then they'll tag me
in something and be like, here's a total jerk.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, I'll tell somebody later that you were like put off,
but they didn't, and I was like.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I never said anything to me, And I naturally am
a quiet person that feels like nobody wants me in
their space, so I don't get in their space.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, the expectation for someone to expect you to come
and create rapport just because you're in a room is crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You don't know they're there, and you don't care they're there.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Respectfully, you're just at First Watch having some avocado toast,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's crazy. You shouldn't have to set rapport with the
entire room.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yes, and I agree.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I also appreciate the fact that they think they know
me well enough, because it's an odd relationship to have
with that, because it does irritate me when people will say, man,
he was a jerk er tagged me, Hey, you were
such a jerk at this place, and I'm like, you
never said hi to me. How am I supposed to
react to somebody who doesn't come up and say hello.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
However, I think for me.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The benefit of that is somebody feels like they know
me well enough through what they've consumed from me that
they feel I should be a certain way. And that's
intimate in that content, you know, absorption from people. And
I don't think it's fair, but I have found kind
of a silver lining to that that people feel they
know me well enough to get upset irrationally because it's
(11:52):
not fair.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's not fair.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's not fair.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
It's not fair.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I know that you're an introvert, so maybe you don't
relate to this, or maybe you do. I I'm an introvert,
so if I'm out in public, I've just already decided
I'm ounta in public. How do you feel about people
who are Like, if celebrities aren't going to be nice
to you, they have no reason to go to a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I hate I feel like they should be able to
go to a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
There's only two rules that I give people that listen
to me, and they don't have to listen to my rules.
But if a celebrity is with a kid, or they
have food in front of them in a public place,
leave them alone. Other than that, they know what they've
got themselves into and they've gone to public.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Knowing that people will know them. Their job was to
be known.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, so if they have a kid with them, don't
bother them, or if there's food in front of them,
don't bother them.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Other than that, they have the right to say no.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
As a celebrity, absolutely, they can absolutely be a jerk
all they want, but you're in a public place to
go up and say hi. And most times I have
found that people enjoy when normal people come up and
say they're a fan of them. That's kind of why
they got into the business.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Most times there's a rare exception of people who are jerks,
but most people that create for public consumption enjoy it
when the public comes up and says, I enjoy what you.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Have put out. Yeah, but just.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
No kids and no food. Other than that, they're free
game and I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The kids in the food thing is very cool to me.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Why, Because you were the kid once I was the kid.
I was thinking about you today leading into this for
that exact reason. It's so funny that we ended up
on this because I was thinking, man, I bet your
relationship with fame is so weird because you probably just
wanted to have parents.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I just wanted to have parents, and I just wanted
to have parents that could be parents too, you know, like,
and that's always tough because you're, you know, considering this
lifeline that isn't real. So who knows what we're talking about,
you know what I mean? But I do wander sometimes
what something would have been like if my dad was
(13:53):
always just dad, if like that was his biggest thing,
But that takes away eighty two percent of the human
that man is, you know what I mean. He's a
lot more than just a dad. So but I was
the kid, and it was really tough. And I only
found when we were eating. So I think it's really
interesting you say that if you want to come up
and say hi when we're shopping at the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It never bothered me, It really didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But there was something about when we're eating, and he
is to stand up and make sure that he is
not have food in his teeth and that he doesn't,
you know what I mean, all the things that a
human should be able to do when they're sitting and
eating with their family.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And that was always really tough.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And I'm not going to compare my situation to yours
in any way or my wife's.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But so.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
When I got married, for my wife, the situation was
a bit difficult in that I got to grow with
whatever version of fame that I have, because I'm definitely
not famous, but I am known in parts of the
country and people do come up and say hello, and
that's great. Ninety nine percent of the time, it really is.
(14:53):
I got to grow with that, right, meaning I got
to be in a small town, I got to syndicate myself.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Have I did shows of one hundred people.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, you got to evolve as you evolved.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
For sure. So I grew with it learned where my
wife was kind of dunked into it and I would
be like, Oh, it's okay, they're recording us from two
tables over. It's not a big deal. But to her
that was her starting point, so it was really weird.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I can't imagine I feel that way about the TikTok
and the viral thing with these artists right now.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I think we've seen the last five years.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
The most mental effect on these new artists who haven't
done anything, and then now they're on an opening tour
or haven't done and it's like I can't imagine that.
And I have a lot of stuff that I have
a big chip on my shoulder about with having you know,
famous parents and like living and growing up in that
way that I do.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Running into it at nineteen, you know what I mean,
out of nowhere and like being viral overnight or running
into it at twenty two out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Like.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So, I'm very grateful to have gotten.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
To see it on the spectrum that I saw it,
and then now I've experienced it in my own way
in such a totally different different spectrum than the way
that my you know, I did as a child.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But it's crazy that would I'll say relieve because I
in a different way. I feel it too.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
It relieves a bit of resentment, Like you're able to
see somebody else go into it differently and you're like, man,
that would kind of suck.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Perspectives.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It is a tool, but you only get it through
situations that you didn't ask for.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, like patience, Like if you.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Have perspective, it's because you've been through something it wasn't desirable. Yeah, yeah,
what So we have kind of rules at the house.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
My wife's very private.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
And part of that too, is probably her getting dunked
in it and me not understanding I needed to care more.
I think I failed a bit early on because I
didn't understand I needed to care more about that part
of our life because I'd just been so public with
everything and.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
She's very private.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Was there a part of your life where you were
just like I'm just and maybe it's not even it's
in your name. I don't know what it is like
that you were just like I need this for me
because my life has been associated with Garth Brooks or
country music or like, what did you keep to yourself
that was so private or different?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'm still working really hard on that. I don't know.
I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I've been in therapy for the last three years specifically
for that, because, you know, growing up the way that
I did, you were just privileged, you know what I mean,
Like you just had everything that nobody else had, Like
there couldn't have been anything wrong because we had so much.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You know now, to be fair, what you're saying is
just so I can speak between the words you're actually saying.
You're saying you weren't allowed to feel like you down
because you were so up.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I didn't know that until I was an adult. But
of course, like we had everything, and my parents came
from respectfully nothing, you know, so I don't know that
it even crossed maybe their brains that we could go
without because we had everything, and so I didn't know.
And when we talk about performing in the gym and
all of those things, and like I mean, I had
(18:13):
to learn at you know, a very young age that
you didn't just get to be a wild kid in
the grocery store because what you did was a reflection
of Garth Brooks, you know what I mean. And like
and we as a family, we love that name. We
love the name of Tricia Yearwood. We love the name
of Garth Brooks. Now, those those products are not my parents,
(18:33):
you know what I mean. My bonus mom is my
bonus mom, and my dad and my mom or my parents,
and that's what they are. But there's also that thing
of growing up where it's like man and anyone from
who's like a really really small town also gets it
to on that spectrum, like if you get in trouble
at the bar, you know what I mean, when you're
twenty one on your first time, like that is a
reflection of your family in that small town, you know
what I mean, And so think about that globally, it
(18:56):
just seemed like everything we did so we had. We
tried to get the best grades, and we tried to
be the best athletes, and we tried to be the
kindest people in town, you know what I mean, Like
you just try and do all that thing, like what
you're talking about earlier, just to negate any possible run.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Ins with like being anything that's negative.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And so as an adult, I'm twenty eight now and
I'm really trying to figure out what Ali does for Ali.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
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Speaker 3 (19:34):
Have you read and this is such a cliche book,
But I say that because I just read it.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I always felt it was cliche, so I never read it.
I just read The Alchemist.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I'm familiar with the title.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Okay, me too, It's all I was familiar with it.
And so the whole thing is about finding your personal legend.
The whole book it's.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Saying that to me, was the first your purpose? Oh oh,
like your legacy?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, Like why do you exist? Like what.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Inside of you? What is your purpose? For being here,
and I think my purpose was so attached to my
career for so long. I give it only that's the
only thing I really had control in though, because it's
coming from how I grew up. I didn't have control.
I didn't have any family.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
So children do not have agency. I okay, go ahead,
Children do not have agency. I felt like I had
to develop agency very early because you had to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yes, yes, is.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Not a fault. You under see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like any child that had to establish their own agency
before I mean, let's just say eighteen, because culturally that's
that's what we do here. You know, at eighteen, you're
out there and you're able to make your own decisions.
You can mess up with the irs and go to jail,
you can do all the things at eighteen.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So anyone who has.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
To establish agency for them before that, that is something
that you're going to have to go back through your
entire life with your new beautiful on a lobe that
you have now and reprogram all of those things. Children
do not have agency. Children have freedom to be children.
And that is not the case for I'm sure most
most people. You know what I mean, Like we all
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have to do it, but you didn't have agency as
a child.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I would say, though, how I compare my childhood is
I would compare it to yours in the parallel of
you may have been given. You may have had the
ability to not have to have agency for so long
that it could have kept you from growing in certain ways.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
We didn't have agency because I think the biggest thing
of agency is not having the freedom to be a child,
not having the freedom to grow up and establish your
own likes and dislikes, like your own.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Fears and not fears.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Instead you have like this lifeline that has thrown on
to you that kind of takes away that agency. And
so for you having to perform in such a way
when you were younger, because you had to step in
and fill fill roles that children should not have to fill,
I think that affects the self the same way.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
But don't you think you had to step in and
fill roles of the expectation that that you had put
on yourself to be whomever everybody else thought you were?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Absolutely my siblings and I had absolutely no agency to
grow and to evolve at an appropriate pace, you know
what I mean? Reflection, Yes, And so how are you
encouraged to do that with the Alchemists.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And where do you land at? Is there a landing point?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I don't think there's a landing point ever, just in
general anyway, Yeah, I don't hate that. I think the
one thing I've learned is there really is no target ever.
You just kind of aim toward a goal, and then
at any time you want to modify that, you have
the ability to modify that. My goals used to be
A and B, and I've had a in therapy. I've
had a real hard time with not feeling like a
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failure because I'm modifying a goal, because I feel like
if I'm modifying a goal, I'm giving up.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So how is purpose to find in the Alchemist.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
That it's okay to.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Chase your sense of self even if it wasn't your
sense of self even five minutes ago, that there there
is no definitive sense of self. That a lot of
the things that we prioritize and make extremely important, we're
making important, making important for exterior for reasons that really
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don't matter to us, it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Matters to other people, and other people.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Matter to us, and limiting that because it's never going
to be gone. Yeah, and so yeah, I avoided that
book forever and I read it and pretty freaking amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I get why people like talk about it so much.
The same thing with the Four Agreements, Like I read
that didn't want to fends like read it and for
me that that the part of that book was don't
nothing in business is personal, even if it is it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, those things make like push to make a decision
that is bigger than the self. I think same thing
with like pushing yourself to work out. It's like it's
just pushing that bigger conversation. That's like, I don't know,
it's hard, but I do like the I like the
frustration you have with taking on new stuff that you
know is gonna be helpful, but you also know that
you have to evolve afterwards.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm good with delayed gratification.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I really am, because all my gratification has been extremely delayed, extremely.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So yeah, I'm pretty good with delayed gratification. You have
a lot of tattoos.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I was just I was looking at this photograph before
you came in here, and I was thinking about the
ones that are not on this photograph.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I like doing that every time I come to a
room I'm like, what's new?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
What are you saying with all these tattoos?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think that they all say you know something different
in their own way. I also don't find it to
be too serious in the sense of I saw a
woman when I was probably eight or nine that was
just covered head to toe in tattoos, and I thought,
what a Like, that's crazy. Like I just thought she
was stunning, And I thought, I want to represent what
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I've learned and how I've evolved in a bunch of
tiny little things that matter to me.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And some of them are just cool.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Some of them I just think are cool, like my
band aid, Are you joking?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I think all of them are probably cool. And I
guess so.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I wonder if you were, in your mind required to
live a certain way because of the expectation upon you,
is this a way to say there is no expectation
on me anymore?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think for me, it's just an outward thing of like,
maybe that is one of the few things that I
have done for myself. I have tattoos of myself. I
have two tattoos of myself and where she was when
she got them and who she is now, because I
don't know who else is ever going to get an
ally colleen leg sleeve.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
If there are a couple of people, I'd be pretty rad.
I don't think there are. Anything is rarely just me,
so I'll do it. But I just love it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
But I've never thought about it as any kind of
like negating what people expect me to look like.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I've never talked. I've never taken it that way. I
don't mean to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, I did take it as that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, I've had a lot of people ask me that
and asked about, oh, well, so you have tattoos because
your parents don't like tattoos orally the cases, And I'm
like I it has never crossed my mind to ask
my parents what they thought about my tattoos or my body.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
How many do you have?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm gonna I've passed with both of my arms being
one whole piece.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know I've passed thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
What was your first tattoo?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
My elephant?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Which one on your leg?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yes, that's a odd place to get a first tattoo,
right on your quad.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I already had my I already had my sleeve planned out.
But I I graduated. I was one of those really
late summer birthdays or graduated like seventeen. So I knew
I was going to be in Nashville when I was
eighteen because I chose my university here, and so I
already had Jay picked out. Jay Quarrels is my tattoo artists.
I absolutely love him, and so I already had him
picked out. So I just wanted something to get on
my eighteenth birthday, and the elephant was a painting that
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I'd done, and so I wanted I wanted to do
my own first tattoo like I wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
To design it.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Are they all personal?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Not all of them? Most of them?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yes, some of them I genuinely think, just look absolutely cool,
just swag.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
What's more personal a tattoo or a song that you've written,
because I'm assuming not all songs are as personal as others.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I mean there's a scale.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
There's absolutely a scale.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I mean there's those songs that there's very few of
these because I feel like as performers, you know, when
something touches us that much, we kind of have that
ego of thinking it can affect a lot of people.
But if you ever meet songwriters who have songs that
they've truly never played for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That I think is the most personal thing that you
can that you can have.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Do you have one of those? Two of those? Three
of those?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I only have one?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Everything else I've always wanted to share in some capacity
with somebody.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Are you Are you making it precious? Or are you insecure?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think it's a shame thing, for sure, But I
think it's one of the very few ways, like outlets,
that I've learned to navigate shame with that I like.
But it's also rooted in performing, which I'm trying to
get away from. If I can turn my shame into
something and I think it's beautiful and that someone could
listen to it without arguing against it or negating its purpose,
surely I did a good job.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's performing. Is the shame limiting itself as time goes by.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
In your dream scenario? Or are you always going to
hold this song this precious?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I think I'll hold it this precious until I don't
have shame for what they like the song is about,
you know what I mean, Like for shame for that memory,
shame for that circumstance, shame for how I reacted or
didn't react to that circumstance. I think that the shame
will always be there. And then there's also that performing
thing of like it's something that I don't want anyone's
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even positive affirmations about yet, you know, it's just a
little personal world. I don't know, but I don't think
I have any tattoos that I would feel as personal
about to a song.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Do you have any tattoos from songs?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Like?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Did you write a song ago? I'm gonna make this.
This makes me feel a certain way, it's about a
certain thing.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I have started my back recently, which is going to
be over my lifetime. All lyrics of mine that I
that like really mean something to me. So I have
a song called Wildflower, and that chorus is the first
lyrics that are on my back so far, because it's
just one of the songs that I want to represent
for the rest of my life and one of the
songs that I wrote for me to represent for.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
The rest of my life.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Are you ocd that the lyrics will have to be
in the same font or same side, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I've already made it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I've made sure that they can all be like hodgepodged
and like the margins are all different on all of
them too, and the fonts different on all of them
based off of like the character of the song, So
the font should reflect the song, if that makes any
kind of sense.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
How often do you write?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I write in some capacity every day, whether it's like
free writing, or whether it's actually putting melody to lyrics,
or whether it's co writing or write every day?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Are you a melody first or a concept lyric first?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Always different?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Generally fifty one percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Concept first.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It's happening less and less as I get older that
I just have a melody that I can't shake that
I want to put it like a narrative to Usually
it's trying to find the melody.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That fits the narrative.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Where's home?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Somewhere where there's food? You know what I mean? I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's not Oklahoma. It's not here. I live here, I
was raised in Oklahoma. I don't know where I'm gonna
end up or where I want to spend my personal time.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
God knocks on the door and says, hey, take me
to your home. Where do you take them?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Take them to the barn. I have a barn at
my house. It has the best acoustics on the planet.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Why.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I think it's because it's open. It's like concrete and wood,
you know what I mean. It's nothing but refracturing sound.
There's no sound proofing or absorbing or anything out there.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
But there must be a security there in that spot though,
if you picked that, I.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Think it's just where I'm always alone. You know, my
house I've invited people into. My personal life is very small,
so it's also very connected. I only have really like
two best friends and people that I spend my time with,
so it's all really connected. Family's weird, will always be weird,
and I love them all so much. But the barn
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is the only place where it's ever just me. No
one works in there with me, no one cleans it
with me, no one takes care of the horses with me.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
That's just my place.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So that is your security, I think so.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And that barn probably allow me to put some words
in your mouth and then you can take them out.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That barn could probably exist in a.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Few places if it needed to. Yeah, Like, it's not
that literal place. It's what it stands for and what
you can do in it. Yeah, So it's not Oklahoma, huh, No,
When did that not?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
When was that not home?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Oklahoma never felt like home. Oklahoma has always felt like
an expectation and a weird thing. I have a song
on this project that's called Oklahoma Mountains, and there are
no mountains in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm sure you've been there. I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
My wife's from there.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Where they're along all right, Yeah, there's nothing. You get lost,
you just look up.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
You're the one thing. They're great and loss. That's what
I'll say about the people.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
The people in Oklahoma are incredible. Everyone in Oklahoma will
agree with you. They're the best and the worst part.
The people are are what it is. But Oklahoma Mountains
is just they say, there's no mountains in Oklahoma. Why
have I always had to climb? Oklahoma is just tough
for me. It's tough on me. It's tough for me.
I don't know, And that's probably an alley thing.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Is that an expectation to being Guard's daughter thing?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't know that it's so much an expectation as
much as it's like a just like this really hard
label that nobody will move.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
What's the label?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Just being a product's daughter? Like there's not even an
Alley in the title. If I feel like I feel
like we've talked about this in the past grammar wise,
my vendetta with Garth Brooks daughter Comma Ali Coleene Comma
is really really great and works.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Really hard on our own.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That whole sentence is still wrong because I am an
adjective of the noun.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
That's crazy, you know what I mean? Like I am
a daughter.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
To a title that's that's crazy, because like he's a product,
Like Garth Brooks is a product that has been molded
and shaped and worked for, and I am a fan
of it. I love what it represents, I love who
it is, I love everything about it.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
But that's what it is. Like Garth Brooks is a product.
Ali Coleen is a product.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I've worked really hard on it, you know what I mean,
on its shelving, on its packaging, on what it represents,
on where it comes from, all of those things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But it doesn't have a by product. Do you under
ste what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Like, I'm not a byproduct of Garth Brooks. He's just
my dad and we love each other. And then I
went off and made a career for myself in music.
You know what I mean? In in Oklahoma. You're just
always a daughter. You're always someone who's probably never worked
very hard for anything. You're always someone who probably has
all of our finance taken care of. You're probably someone
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who dad sits in the meetings with you and make
sure that you've become as successful.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
As you are.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Like there's always some kind of byproduct of someone else's legacy,
and that's not what I am.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Do you think you have to work harder than the
average hard worker to prove that you work hard? Yeah?
Do you think it?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I'm not saying is it realm saying? Do you think
I do? I think it, yes, because.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Because that has been the narrative that I've been told
for as long as I can remember. I think I
shared this with you last time my first spelling tests,
made a hundred on it, did a great job, you
know what I mean, crushed it.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Kid next to me spelled beans wrong, be e in it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Beans rock on, Dude, you are so close. I got
a hundred on that spelling test because of who my dad.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Is, which you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Like just being told from the age that you were
six from someone who you sit next to in class
and do the same work with you, do the same
things every day. I went home and practiced, you know
what I mean. And that has been the case my
entire life. Every soccer team I've ever made, every tryout
I've ever had, every grade I've ever made, the car,
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I drive, the house, I have all of these things,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And everybody has their labels, everyone has their stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm not special. We all have our things. We have
to get over. Those are just things that I'm really
trying to get over.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I want to make a comparison. It's not to your dad,
and I hope the comparisons okay. And if it's not,
then we'll just say it's not okay, and you can
we'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
But uh Nicotine.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
The song it feels I won't say sounds like, but
it feels like Ashley McBride type song.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Because I love Ashley.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I love Ashley.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Ashley's from Arkansas, like I am small town in Arkansas,
like we grew up in similar situations. So I love Ashley,
and I say that in a very complimentary way. It
feels like a story that she would tell how does
that make you feel if I make a comparison to
somebody else, because I don't think it's derivative of it
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at all, But I think that that is a skill
that a few people have.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I want to be Ashley McBride, So that makes me
feel like the coolest kid on the planet. That I
could even do something that Ashley would do. I think
that's the coolest thing on the planet. But I've never
once been told. I've never once been told when I
do something that I'm really proud of that Ashton McBride
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made that happen for me, you know what I mean,
Like it just never.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I also wasn't saying ash mc may that happened for you.
I'm saying it reminded me of that, right, But I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Just saying, like, being compared to another artist in that
kind of way, in a songwriting way, absolutely an honor,
especially one that I love. I'm like, I I did
something she could do. That's that's an honor. Even if
I've been and this doesn't happen often because we don't
sound alike it all, but the very few times, like
the first time that you watched me sing on YouTube
and I did choose every woman, and you said, I
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can hear Garth's inflexions in her voice. I can hear that.
That's one of the coolest compliments I've ever gotten in
my life, Bobby, because I've always wondered if I could
ever sound like him or like anything.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Like that, because my siblings don't sing at all or
do music.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I would think would be the opposite. And actually I
was a little ashamed that I had said.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That, No, that's okay. I think that's cool.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But at the time too, like you weren't saying, oh,
she can sing because of who her dad is. You
didn't do that thing of like genetics must be good.
And then he punched me on the shoulder, you know
what I mean. You just Ali was compared in that
moment to a song or something of an artist that
she loves, and I thought that was really really cool.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I mean a tone and a texture, yeah, to me
is what it was. More than Hey, she's his kid.
Obviously she's gonna be able to do that exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
And those are different, you know what I mean, Like,
those things are different, and I can recognize that, Sony,
anything that I would have to do with like music,
I'm such an honor for But it's just like.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
If you told me.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That little Bobby Bones was walking into the room, I
would just think I would already have a lot of
assumptions about little Bobby that I'll have to do with you,
you know what I mean. There's nothing wrong with that.
That's human nature. It makes sense. I'm just asking more
so the industry to help me out, to not put
me in that box to people that I'm not gonna
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fit in that box. They're not gonna like me in there,
you know what I mean. I don't represent him at all.
So it's just always been really tough when it's like
Garth Brook's daughter Ali Coleen doing this, this this now
all of a sudden, everyone thinks friends in the Places
is gonna be in my set and it's not.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It's I ever thought about that, the expectation they would
have of you to play your dad's songs, Yeah, no way.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
M h everywhere I go.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah yeah, that would wear on me psychologically.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It'd be like if people expect to you to do
someone else's bits, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
it's like that, that's not even how that works. Like, no,
that's always tough, Like when You've worked so hard on
the products and like what it is, and I love
my music. I'm not gonna lie to you, Bobby. I
think I'm like one of the best. I love my music.
I get so excited every time I write something new,
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and I get so excited and I love it. But
you're not gonna feel that way if you think it's
gonna sound like a Garth Brooks song.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know what I mean. And that's always the wall
that I hit.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I love representing my family and being a daughter and
having the parents I have.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I love them.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I just wish Ali Colin could also just stand on
her own in a conversation, you know, without the legacy.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Then I'm going to ask you a question that's going
to be annoying. What does not the product? But what
does your dad say about? How about how to approach that?
About how to approach finding yourself away from the Garth
Brooks product?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And there are two different people. There's Garth Brooks, like
you said, the product, and then there's your freaking dad
who's been through it and knows a lot because he's
been through it. What is his advice to you?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
My dad is man, and I might perceive it this way.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
So this entire conversation from this point on is how
ALI perceives this.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
You can tell you made a lot of therapy because
I say the same type of things you can tell
with someone that did a lot of therapy.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about
Garth Brooks, you guys. But how I perceive my relationship
with my father is I think he's very very hesitant
to tell me anything about music, you know what I mean,
because it just doesn't work the same as it did.
I mean, you're talking about generations different on like how
he entered the scene, how I'm trying to enter the scene.
My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe
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I shouldn't do social media, like for myself, like for
to preserve Alley.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
But I'm like, who else is going to do it?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Man?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Like I'm an independent artist. It's just me and Bev.
That's it, just me and my manager.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
It's all we got.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So my dad really stays away from that kind of stuff.
And I don't ask too many questions either. Probably my
dad and I have worked out since I was a kid,
so maybe that's Also, I love the gym, but I've never.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Red what about your dad? Not the guy that does music,
but your dad. Let's say he didn't do music. You
probably don't have advice for somebody doing music and how
to differentiate themselves from A to B? Is is there
not a separation of church and state.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I have worked so hard in learning the difference between
Ali Cooling and Ali and the way that I perceive
my father is that he hasn't had that luxury. I
don't know that my dad knows that there's a difference
between Garth Brooks and Dad.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I struggle at times with knowing there's the difference between me,
Bobby Estell and Bobby Bones, and I think the the I.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Think I only know because I saw the two difference,
you know what I mean? Because I didn't realize who
Dad was until I was probably twelve or thirteen, because
that was the age that I saw the Central Park
footage and I thought, now, I get why they are
grocery stores not that chill for us, you know, like
I really didn't. I knew he was huge, I knew
he was famous. I didn't know the capacity that it
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was global, you know what? I mean, like I really
didn't understand that. So I saw two different things. And
I mean you being entering to fame the way that
you did, you didn't have anybody you know that you
got to watch be two different things. So my perspective
is just really weird.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
How do you write a song? You walk back into
the barn.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
And you just sit down, and is it always there?
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It's always there. I've gotten to the point now on
guitar where I'm starting to.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Get better at it tour, because I used to if
I didn't start the melding on the guitar, I was
just screwed and was going to have to sing a
song later for a guitar player in the sense of
I'm very good at guitar, but I can't always find
my key or my chords, like if I'm making something up.
And now I've kind of gotten there, but now I
just I just sit down, and I just I said down,
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and I'm grateful I have a skill and a craft
that I've worked really hard at that I've met people
that don't have the same outlet. And ever since I
realized that, like it's not always normal for people to
sit down and be able to write a song. I
became really really grateful for that. And there is something
about like surrendering to your craft, like no matter what
it is, there's something about surrendering like to yourself and
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like your ability to do something. That's what songwriting feels.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Like what's your live show like? Because I've seen you play,
but it's always you've played our studio, you've played. I've
not seen you out in the big yeah, Like what
is it?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
My music is really big, it's really like sonically textured.
I'm a big sensory person. I have a lot of
sensory stuff and I love I just want my show
to feel like a five Gum.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Commercial, you know what I mean. I want there to
be subs a five Gum commercial, you know, like five
Gum it's like feature.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Sensors and it's like someone laying on like a bow
speaker that's the size of a football field and they're
just like laying on it and like the gum. Yeah, yeah,
so five Gum. I want my show to feel like
a sensory experience like that. So we try and we
do the whole heavy subs thing. My drummers are always
much more rock oriented than country oriented, and it's just
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big and it's fun. And I do an acoustic set
in the middle, which is very similar. It's like what
I've gotten to do with you in the studio, and
just to get to play my stuf acoustically for someone
right in the middle of my set.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
But for the rest of the show, I don't hold
a guitar or anything.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I just went around and I find little girls in
a crowd. Did I put a little faced hats on them?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Later in the merch line?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Really, m I keep eyelining on me all the time,
and I'll give them a little horse shoes if.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They want it.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
What do you do before show? Any rituals?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
We have a pre show shot and a pre show
prayer where we come together.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
As far as me personally, no, I we all still
still kind of try and do everything and wear all
the hats. So who knows how long sound check goes,
you know, and how much time you have ready to
get ready afterwards.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
So it's always kind of a scramble for me.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Do you ever stumble into a song at sound check?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
It's completely different than you. But wolves if we're doing it.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
If I'm doing a comedy show and i'm testing, you know,
we're checking guitars, I'll just say funny stuff overcords. And
there have been a few times where we're like, oh,
this is actually a good idea. Let's just sit with
it and play it and kind of flesh it out.
I think we did a song called It's so trivial
compared to what you do. But we wrote a song
called your Mama's House right, and Matt Stell, the artist,
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and myself were up there. We were playing a show
in Atlanta, and we were just going back and forth
but on stage together, and somebody made your mama joke
and I was like, oh man, we should do that
with a song. And so he started playing something and
I think it was like, man.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I really love your mama's house. You can always find
me there when you're not around.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
It got a good laugh, but we sort of just balanced.
He's going back and forth, back and forth, and there's
not always time for that there.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
But oh, right with your band? No, okay, I don't
write with my band. So I was wondering if maybe
you don't.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I don't have a band, Like I said, I'm not
you, You're actually good. I fake being good.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
That's not fair.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
I have a partner in Eddie.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
We have a band. I have Brandon and Brandon who
works with me as well. We'll send each other voice memos.
We'll never be in the same room and I'll just
be like, hey, what about this?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
That's what about this? And we'll go back and forth
and almost write, like here's the idea.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Is this funny? What if you did this? And eighty
five percent of the song gets written like that.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I want to learn how to not be a performer
in the writing room. I'm not very good at that
also too, Like usually like I have my own room
and the word document. I'm like, if you guys go
in there, I swear to God leave me alone. Okay,
you can read out loud all these other things I'm
putting on the main page.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
But my room's my room. Get out of here.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And like, if I have a chorus idea, I'm gonna
play you the entire chorus, you know what I mean.
I'm gonna sit with it. I'm gonna write the whole thing,
and I'm gonna ask you if.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
You like it.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
And I wish I could get a little more not
performer y in like the writing room.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
What about the vulnerability of the writing room?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I think it depends on who I'm writing with. I
have some people that.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I'll call them up and I'll be like, Hey, I
am not mentally okay or healthy or well today. Can
I come up and share with you what's going on
and you kind of scribe it out for me, you
know what I mean, and see if we can turn
it into something. And I've gotten to a point where
those co writers sometimes are like, Ali, yes, but if
you get over here and you're really not okay, we're
not going to romanticize this today, Like we're not going
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to take everything you're going through and turn it into
something for you to sing later when like you still
are in this and like that's very few people, but
I have two or three, And that is the coolest
thing on the planet to not only have someone to
go to to talk about that stuff, but to have
someone stop you from performing and go, hey, you're having
a really hard time right now, and the song you're
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writing is not even like reflecting these characters in a
true way, Like you're just you're taking something that really
hard that's happening to you, and we're watching you turn
it into something that is pretty and packaged and going
to be.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Consumed by people.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
And I feel like, this is what you're working really
hard to not do, and that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
And then I have other people where.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
You just get in there and you write the song
and it's almost all for them, like as an artist
or for somebody else. And I get to put on
the songwriter hat that day and my job is to
sit there and and mediate someone's feelings and to help
them kind of put it into something which is always different.
But the songwriting community in Nashville is so diverse and
it's so different, and so each write is different. It's
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on way two, which I love with the ADHD brain
of like not wanting to do the same thing ever again,
you know, so you can always do something different with
the co writers in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
The EP, there's five songs on it. Why just five songs?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
These were the five that I didn't think anyone would
ever relate to. These are the five that I didn't
think were commercial. These are the five that Ali cared about,
and she couldn't get past them, you know, I wasn't
gonna go and release another single that I thought was
super commercial when I had these five that I've sat on.
Sincerely rolling Stone I've sat on since twenty twenty one,
and I love that song, and these are the five
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that I just wanted to put out as a very
sincere This is how like, this is what a reflection
of Ali's world is right now, these songs.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
I have a question then, because the EPE is Sincerely
rolling Stone, But isn't the song just called rolling Stone? Because
now I'm confused, So.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
The song is called rolling Stone parentheses sincerely or sincerely
Prince of rolling Stone, however you want to do it absolutely,
you know, everyone asked about this. Our first album was
the same way. The first album is called Stones prince Ss.
I don't give a and people never know what the
song title is, so I'm eclectic.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Like the EP is Sincerely Camma Rollingly rolling Stone, but
track one is rolling Stone prince ye sincerely yes.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Because the song is the song is I want to
be your Rock, and I'm sorry that I'm not Sincerely
You're rolling Stone. So the EP is Sincerely rolling Stone
because this is a sincere project from me, and the
song is just called rolling Stone, because that's what people
come up and request. They say, well, you play the
rolling Stone song, so it's called rolling Stone.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
People were requesting it before we put out.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I've been playing this live since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
And if people were requesting it then, I don't know
why would you think that song would be the most
non commercial or.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
No, probably lying to me, Bobby, here we go. Now
we're getting to the trauma again. We're going back, probably
lying to me. All five of these songs they're different.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I mean even when listening because I tell you what,
this was easy to listen to because it's only five.
Sometimes people will be like, here's seventy three songs.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
I don't even listen to all of them.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, put this in your notes. Bobby will listen to
seventy three songs.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
I know that. But Bobby will be like, I didn't
get a chance to hear them all. So but.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
These five songs, I mean, I don't know that they
Now that you say how that project is what it means,
it makes more sense then because they all five don't
fit perfectly together. Is that insulting in anyway? Because I
didn't feel like But now it makes sense. If that's
why you pick the five?
Speaker 1 (51:55):
These are my five, you know what I mean? It's
not this was not a rolled out out Do we
have this song on it? Do we have one of
these songs on it? Do we have one of these songs?
Speaker 4 (52:05):
Cause that's what I expect most of the time now
whenever it's hey, we're releasing whatever the project is. We
need a mid we need an up, we need it down,
we need a set. You know, there were these roles
that the song has to play. I didn't feel that
this meant that criteria.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, it doesn't have it at all.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
These are the five that meant the world to me
that I wasn't sure if anyone else was going.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
To care about.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
And but my I have a really really amazing close following,
like of like the followers that I have, Like I'm
very close to my following. You have a really private
fan club that like gets together for like Thanksgiving and
like it's it's it's really special to me, and they
the cool kids have been asking for these.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Five songs for the last couple of years all the time.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
So I thought I'm going to put together since your
project of Ali because the single world is always chasing
you know what, represents me as a commercial artist, like
it always has been, always will be.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
It's how it's structured to do that.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
And so if there was a single from this, it
was Grass and the Grave, and we released that as
a single before it came out. But yeah, they're not
they're not supposed to go together. And then also Household
Name was something that I was never gonna be too
confident about releasing as a single because I didn't want
all the attention to be on Household Name. I wanted
to be a part of a project, and a sincere
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project did that. So Household Name made it on this one,
which was one that I wasn't sure if I was
ever going to share with anybody, And it's one of
my favorite songs on there only because it's sonically achieves
everything I've wanted to.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
It's like the.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Thunder rolls of Amy Lee in Three Days Grace, which
is like my favorite thing on the plane. Am Yes, Yeah,
I listened to forty seven minutes of thunder pre roll
to pick the probably second and a half of thunder
that's in Household Name.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
I'm so proud of that.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
I picked under a pre roll just searching thunder sounds
and just listening to everyone because I needed the perfect
thunder crash, like I needed the perfect thunder that would
have been in thunder Rolls but wasn't and would represent
Allie and I picked it out. I was so proud
of it. So I had a lot of fun creating
this project. But it's not for I don't feel like
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it's for commercial listeners. I feel like it's for the
people that care about Ali and represents exactly what our
next chapter of music commercially is going to be.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Then do this for me as we end, because I
want to play on the National Accuntdown show Grass on
the Grave, So I was like a good SoundBite, So
just tell me what the song's about, so then I
don't have to edit anything together.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I can just play this clip. Of course, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Grass and the Grave is just a song for you
to grieve all of your plants, whatever they are.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
For me, it was a relationship. It was an entire future.
It was a marriage. For some people, it.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Was a vacation in twenty twenty that they budgeted for
three years that they never got to take. For some
people with fertility. For some people, it's all of these
different things. And Grass and the grave. It's just a
real cool sonic song that isn't supposed to be too heavy,
isn't supposed to be too hard. It just allows you
three minutes of absolute frustration of what something was supposed
to be. But you're still going to be okay because
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there's grass in the grave.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Except you had no choice but to nail it because
it's your story. You really couldn't have not nailed it.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Would you have been like, do it? Reframe it?
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, I'd give us a reframe? Yeah? Can you?
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Can you say it again? But better?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
You're extremely magnetic as a person.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Are my magnets on the right side?
Speaker 3 (55:24):
Doesn't matter it does.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
One will push you away and one will drag in.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, but what pushes someone away?
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Have you seen that? My therapist did that with me
with magnets.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah, I just don't I temporarily would push someone away.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
I think we probably all are magnets. All change.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
Yeah, And I think I've been pushed away by certain
magnets that later I've realized, Oh, I shouldn't have been
pushed away at all. I should have actually, But that's
what probably pushed me away was feeling so uncomfortable that
I wanted to be drawn so.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Quick give on polarities crazy.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
I've spent a lot of money in therapy.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
I haven't portocols completely.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
Free good for you and good for everybody.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Who feel like it'd be free for you also, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
I don't know. They think I'm an artist enough. And
also I like my therapist to be really close to
my house.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
So I actually I go to a My wife and
I go to therapy every two weeks. We've been going
since before we got well, I guess right when we
got married.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's hot.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
It's awesome, except it's not like it's hard. Oh yeah, no,
for sure, it's hot, but it has I think for
me the.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Part it is hot, and you can quote me on that.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I don't know that I will, but I will say
that it has allowed me to live in an uncomfortable
moment with my wife. And I never really had a
relationship that was intimate where it I just thought everything
intimate had to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
No feeling uncomfortable and feeling safe at the same time.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
That's crazy, and for me, that has been the most
growth I've had is that it's okay for to be
comfortable and uncomfortable and to live in it. Yeah, because
that's what happens with normal humans. I didn't have normal
human relationships, so I didn't know. I thought every time
we fought, she hates me, it's over.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
No. The only time I could get you to talk
about anything personal last time was if it was about you.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
And your dogs.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
That's about it. And now it's a bit different. Yeah,
so we I've been able to grow in that a lot.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
And then my.
Speaker 4 (57:20):
Personal I go every other week to my own as well.
He's a psychiatrist and he can give medicine. Hell yeah,
and I took a bunch of OCD medicine. I was
on for a long time because I sometimes I get way,
way way obsessed with things.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
I like, thirty pounds. I need to help it all. Yeah,
I put on thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (57:35):
Well, I'm just like, I'd rather be focused and not
I have to buy new clothes. I was having to
buy pants, and I was like, what's happening right now?
My wife was like, did you check your medicine?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Scary?
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yeah, it's scary. And the medicine is like you will
gain three pounds a month or whatever it was, and
I was like, how did I know this?
Speaker 2 (57:49):
So he's something else for you to be OCD about.
Speaker 4 (57:51):
That's great, exactly. Now I'm OCD about not being on
OCD medicine. So yeah, it's been a big part of
my life. I'm glad to hear that you're so open
about it as well, because I think people need to
hear people talking about the benefits of it and not
the stigma of it.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Oh, it's incredible. Yeah, it's absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
I appreciate you being so open about it and talking
about it than you and you got the good magnets.
You're north, I'm south right now we're drawn. You're very magnetic.
You guys can follow Ali. We put all of our
information down Ali's information down below, and we talked about
it before she got here, So nothing has changed since
we spoke before Ali got here, at least I don't
think so, right, Mike.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I'll still clear.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Ali great to see as always, and congratulations on the record.
And now it all makes sense, but nothing ever makes
fully sense. And if it does start to make sense,
then you don't actually understand it.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
You can quote me on that.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
I probably will.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
No way you can remember that because I don't even
rememb I just said, all right, that's it, Thank you
Speaker 5 (58:47):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
I think he's very, very hesitant to tell me anything
about music, you know what I mean, because it just
doesn't work the same as it did.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I mean, you're talking about generations different.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe
I shouldn't do social media like for myself, like the
Preserve Alley.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But I'm like, who else is going to do it?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Like I'm an independent artist.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Episode five eighteen of The Bobby Cast with Ali Coleen.
She just put out a new EP called Sincerely Rolling Stone,
and I found because we've had her before and I've
always tried to be sensitivebout the fact that she is
her own artist. She's also Garth Brooks's daughter, and I
never want to be like, hey, so Garth's daughter. And
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I felt like in the first time, we really didn't
do that much at all till the end. But this time,
so much of her music this time is about and
you can correct me if I'm wrong here about how
she balanced it deals lives with the fact that there's
an expectation on her because she's Garth's daughter.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Do you feel like that's accurate? Yeah, she got deep
into it here, felt like therapy throughout.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And I think it was because really a lot of
her music this time is about those feelings that surround that,
and we talked about it. Otherwise, I don't think I
would have just canniballed into it. I would have definitely
respected her as she is as her own artist. But
I was grateful for her generosity in that area. Yeah,
it was almost like he couldn't talk about the music
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without talking about that. Yeah, so know that, know that
I would have for sure just been like, hey, let's
talk about your music, because I definitely respect her as
an artist and as a songwriter and just who she
is as a person.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So yeah, that's it. I just want to make sure
we're all cool there.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
She's Garth's daughter, but she's also first and foremost Ali Coleen,
her definite own person. She has a lot of tattoos.
We talk about that. Her arms are and her even
her legs are covered in art. I won't even say tattoos.
It's like one big art project. She didn't sing a
lot growing up, especially not in front of her family.
I don't know if we talked about horses this.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Time, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Oh, well, a place in her house we talked about
that's true. That's true, but she's big horse person, so
we'll just get to it right now, Episode five eighteen
Ali Coleen. Follow her on Instagram, Alikolen Music or check
it out alikolen music dot com. I don't want to
spoil anything, but when she's like people just expect me
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to play friends in little places, that was kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I here you go enjoy.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Right before we went on, we were talking about exercising.
I don't like going to the gym.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
I don't like exercising, but I think I six days
a week probably What do you not like about it? Everything?
I hate it? What do you like about it? Though?
Because you get fired up you're like, I just like going, like,
what is it about it?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You still love it?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I think it's it's a big control thing, right like,
because I think there's a lot of stuff you doing
here in your day that you don't want to do,
and I get to choose to do this one. It's
also like such a release. I'm an angry guy sometimes,
you know what I mean, and I don't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
When I get out of there.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's funny that that is because everybody has different ways
to release, and I do have friends that are similar
to you and they like to And I own a
bunch of boxing gyms here in town for a long time,
and so I liked it, but I never found my
release in that, and like the exerting physically, I think
mostly my release is like getting a burner account, so
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social media and going after people.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That's my role.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Do you link it to performing the gym? No, because
like you don't ever stop performing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I hate the gym, though, Okay, let's break this up.
I like I like where you're, where you're taking me.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I feel like my day is constantly creating content, regardless
thinking of it talking about it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I got like five shows.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
If I'm touring a part of the year if I'm
coming up, so that's always happening. I still hate the gym,
even though I'm able to separate from it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I just hate.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
I like exercising. If there's a Okay, you put me here,
I got it. I like competing. I like competing it's
other people and beating other people because I'm so insecure
that I have to beat people that stuff to feel
good about myself. And so if my exercise comes from that,
a plus, will do it all day. So beat Bobby
but I don't like that because I can beat Bobby
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or I can lose to Bobby.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Bobby.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I can beat Bobby or I can lose to Bobby.
By the way, Bobby wins, I don't like running. It's
what I don't like running.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
On there's Bobby and there's the self.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, but even if the self wins or if Bobby wins,
either way, I still won.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Oh, the self can lose to Bobby dog.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, but that's okay because then Bobby's still one, one
of the Bobby's one.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, all right, all right, all right, so.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You liked you go, Okay, what do you do your box?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You say, I go to hot box when I don't
want to do anything, because then you show up and
you're in a class and you have to and then
the competition comes in and it's like, well, I'm gonna
work harder than the dude next to me today, so
that I do that. When I don't want to do something,
I go to hot box because I know my weaknesses,
and that is pushing myself.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
I don't want to My weakness is just getting up
to go once I get in the car, if I
go to the gym, or I'm good.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's just getting like put in my clothes on.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
When was the last time you bought a new gym outfit.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Bobby, Oh no, never, not in forever. But I'm good though.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm just telling you right now, I like a cutite
by a new gym fit. I'm in the next day,
I'm probably in that night.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You know what I mean. I'm in the fit, I'm
in the gym. I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I don't think I usually just cut out sleeves of
old shirts and that's a new outfit for me.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Though. Long as I cut sleeves out, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
We could also debunk that if you wanted to, but
we don't have to.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I don't think so. I think that's a new shirt
for me. My wife tells me all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
She goes, I see you cut sleeves out of two
more of your shirts I like to wear. I think
that's one of my simple joys, wearing cutout shirts.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Do you ever feel that way about your laces?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
So here's the thing about my laces. My laces are
and we're look at us, Hey, look at us. Similar
I liked where my lace is loose. If they're shoes
that I know, I'm gonna do nothing athletic in and
then I can slide on and off. Yeah, and then
I have shoes that are very similar that the strings
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all pull them out, and I keep them tight just
in case I have to, like run, if I'm getting
robbed or something. I think that would be that reason.
What is your lace theory? Because yours a loose as well.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Mine are loose, but they're also the they can't be
longer you go to step on them, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, but you got to make them so loose as
they can't because if you made them the exact link
they were, you would step on them like you've kept
them loose to the front of the foot.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I feel like these are my shoes,
It says I. There's nothing I can do except work,
and I love shoes. I didn't have a bunch shoes
growing up as a kid, so now it's these are
very expensive shoes. And I say that in the way
if I had never had good shoes growing up, so
now I buy expensive shoes.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I played a show for a roofing company in Oklahoma,
and it was the wife's birthday, and she gotten into
a Louis Vuitton set.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
For her cow at that party of wait what.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
She got a louisiton like harness, like a whole set. Yeah,
they made me think about it.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
They make Louis Biton harnesses, I don't.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Think they do. I think they did, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
For one, I think so? Yeah, so those are just listening.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I have on a pair of air Max red Nike
Louis Biton and I love them. And when I put
these on, I know that I can't hop into a
pickleball match.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That seems more like a personal boundary for you than
the shoe. But I think I will hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Really yeah, I have to tighten these way up. I
can do. So what's your shoe deal?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Because you you you have a pretty cool fashion since
in general, why I love.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Half and half. I always have.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
When I was probably in like eighth grade, my sister
got a pair of kool Aids and she couldn't pick
between the yellow pair and the green pears, so she
bought both and she wore like the right and left
shoe of both colors. And ever since then, I've been
obsessed with half and half. So my laces are half
and half for tour, I have a Timberlin and a
black Timberlain. I always mix my converse half and half.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
That wouldn't work for me.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I'm pretty colorblind in general, so I'd accidentally be normal.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But you could tell the difference between a dark shoe and.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
A light shoe if it was black and white. Yeah,
but blue and green? Now?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Can you tell that my laces are different?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I didn't notice that we were different until you said that.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I don't know too much about the whole color blind thing.
It's certain colors for certain people.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Right, all minds dark colors.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
After about a six on the scale, it's all black,
maybe six point five.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
How do you pick the colors you like to wear?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I love red. I weren't a lot of red today
because you can see it, or I can see.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Red a little darker. But yeah, I wear a lot
of red or light colors. My wife helps me. When
I was in high school and I would go I
was in Key Club and which is Kwana's educating youth,
and I would go speak and try to win scholarships.
And so they let me because of my quote unquote disability.
I don't say that now, but they let me take
my friend with me to match clothes because I couldn't
tell the difference.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I really didn't need them, but.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
The camaraderie is kind of cool, but that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
No, I really didn't need them because I can just
like now. A lot of my stuff's labeled as well.
But I'm not blind, but my right eye doesn't work.
I have eight percent vision of my right eye in general,
so I should have a handicap sticker and I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
And you still pickleball the hell out of it though.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Imagine though I've had both eyes, how good I would be.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I don't think anyone wants to.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They shouldn't give me Unstoppable because I want a bronze
medal with a one eye. Imagine I've had both eyes
and if I have a silver? Do you play pickleball
at all?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm going to tell you no, but yes, I do
play pickleball.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeh.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
What do you do?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So if you're going to work out, though, you say
you go to you don't have say the name of
the gym, but you go to like a I just go.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
To like local gym when I want to work out
that has like free weights.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I love lifting and you can make yourself work hard, yeah,
because I can make myself work hard at work.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It's hard for me.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
To just push myself physically to the point where it's uncomfortable,
which I pay a trainer to do. But it's hard
for me to push myself in that part of my
life that I push myself so hard it makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But you can do that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, I feel like I perform for everybody else all
the time, and the gym is the only place that
I only perform for Ali.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
That's interesting.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I feel like I don't want to perform anywhere else,
and the gym's part of the place I don't want
to perform.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I can't relate to not wanting to perform.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, I don't. I'm such an introvert when I'm not
an extrovert, But.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You don't perform for yourself at home.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I perform for my dogs. I do bits all the
time for my dogs and my wife. But she didn't
really like to.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Bitch, Oh the world's your dogs have seen?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah? Yeah, I do a lot of bits. But I'm
very introverted.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
If I'm not on a lot of people will go
if they'll send me a restaurant or something, and they
won't come say hi, this is the annoying part about it.
They won't come say hi, but then they'll tag me
in something and be like, here's a total jerk.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, I'll tell somebody later that you were like put off,
but they didn't, and I was like.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I never said anything to me, And I naturally am
a quiet person that feels like nobody wants me in
their space, so I don't get in their space.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, the expectation for someone to expect you to come
and create rapport just because you're in a room is crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You don't know they're there, and you don't care they're there.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Respectfully, you're just at First Watch having some avocado toast,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's crazy. You shouldn't have to set rapport with the
entire room.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yes, and I agree.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I also appreciate the fact that they think they know
me well enough, because it's an odd relationship to have
with that, because it does irritate me when people will say, man,
he was a jerk er tagged me, Hey, you were
such a jerk at this place, and I'm like, you
never said hi to me. How am I supposed to
react to somebody who doesn't come up and say hello.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
However, I think for me.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
The benefit of that is somebody feels like they know
me well enough through what they've consumed from me that
they feel I should be a certain way. And that's
intimate in that content, you know, absorption from people. And
I don't think it's fair, but I have found kind
of a silver lining to that that people feel they
know me well enough to get upset irrationally because it's
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not fair.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's not fair.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's not fair.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
It's not fair.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I know that you're an introvert, so maybe you don't
relate to this, or maybe you do. I I'm an introvert,
so if I'm out in public, I've just already decided
I'm ounta in public. How do you feel about people
who are Like, if celebrities aren't going to be nice
to you, they have no reason to go to a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I hate I feel like they should be able to
go to a restaurant.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
There's only two rules that I give people that listen
to me, and they don't have to listen to my rules.
But if a celebrity is with a kid, or they
have food in front of them in a public place,
leave them alone. Other than that, they know what they've
got themselves into and they've gone to public.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Knowing that people will know them. Their job was to
be known.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, so if they have a kid with them, don't
bother them, or if there's food in front of them,
don't bother them.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Other than that, they have the right to say no.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
As a celebrity, absolutely, they can absolutely be a jerk
all they want, but you're in a public place to
go up and say hi. And most times I have
found that people enjoy when normal people come up and
say they're a fan of them. That's kind of why
they got into the business.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Most times there's a rare exception of people who are jerks,
but most people that create for public consumption enjoy it
when the public comes up and says, I enjoy what you.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Have put out. Yeah, but just.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
No kids and no food. Other than that, they're free
game and I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The kids in the food thing is very cool to me.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Why, Because you were the kid once I was the kid.
I was thinking about you today leading into this for
that exact reason. It's so funny that we ended up
on this because I was thinking, man, I bet your
relationship with fame is so weird because you probably just
wanted to have parents.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I just wanted to have parents, and I just wanted
to have parents that could be parents too, you know, like,
and that's always tough because you're, you know, considering this
lifeline that isn't real. So who knows what we're talking about,
you know what I mean? But I do wander sometimes
what something would have been like if my dad was
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always just dad, if like that was his biggest thing,
But that takes away eighty two percent of the human
that man is, you know what I mean. He's a
lot more than just a dad. So but I was
the kid, and it was really tough. And I only
found when we were eating. So I think it's really
interesting you say that if you want to come up
and say hi when we're shopping at the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It never bothered me, It really didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But there was something about when we're eating, and he
is to stand up and make sure that he is
not have food in his teeth and that he doesn't,
you know what I mean, all the things that a
human should be able to do when they're sitting and
eating with their family.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And that was always really tough.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And I'm not going to compare my situation to yours
in any way or my wife's.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
But so.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
When I got married, for my wife, the situation was
a bit difficult in that I got to grow with
whatever version of fame that I have, because I'm definitely
not famous, but I am known in parts of the
country and people do come up and say hello, and
that's great. Ninety nine percent of the time, it really is.
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I got to grow with that, right, meaning I got
to be in a small town, I got to syndicate myself.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Have I did shows of one hundred people.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, you got to evolve as you evolved.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
For sure. So I grew with it learned where my
wife was kind of dunked into it and I would
be like, Oh, it's okay, they're recording us from two
tables over. It's not a big deal. But to her
that was her starting point, so it was really weird.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I can't imagine I feel that way about the TikTok
and the viral thing with these artists right now.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I think we've seen the last five years.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
The most mental effect on these new artists who haven't
done anything, and then now they're on an opening tour
or haven't done and it's like I can't imagine that.
And I have a lot of stuff that I have
a big chip on my shoulder about with having you know,
famous parents and like living and growing up in that
way that I do.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Running into it at nineteen, you know what I mean,
out of nowhere and like being viral overnight or running
into it at twenty two out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Like.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So, I'm very grateful to have gotten.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
To see it on the spectrum that I saw it,
and then now I've experienced it in my own way
in such a totally different different spectrum than the way
that my you know, I did as a child.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
But it's crazy that would I'll say relieve because I
in a different way. I feel it too.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
It relieves a bit of resentment, Like you're able to
see somebody else go into it differently and you're like, man,
that would kind of suck.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Perspectives.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
It is a tool, but you only get it through
situations that you didn't ask for.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, like patience, Like if you.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Have perspective, it's because you've been through something it wasn't desirable. Yeah, yeah,
what So we have kind of rules at the house.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
My wife's very private.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
And part of that too, is probably her getting dunked
in it and me not understanding I needed to care more.
I think I failed a bit early on because I
didn't understand I needed to care more about that part
of our life because I'd just been so public with
everything and.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
She's very private.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Was there a part of your life where you were
just like I'm just and maybe it's not even it's
in your name. I don't know what it is like
that you were just like I need this for me
because my life has been associated with Garth Brooks or
country music or like, what did you keep to yourself
that was so private or different?
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'm still working really hard on that. I don't know.
I really don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I've been in therapy for the last three years specifically
for that, because, you know, growing up the way that
I did, you were just privileged, you know what I mean,
Like you just had everything that nobody else had, Like
there couldn't have been anything wrong because we had so much.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You know now, to be fair, what you're saying is
just so I can speak between the words you're actually saying.
You're saying you weren't allowed to feel like you down
because you were so up.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I didn't know that until I was an adult. But
of course, like we had everything, and my parents came
from respectfully nothing, you know, so I don't know that
it even crossed maybe their brains that we could go
without because we had everything, and so I didn't know.
And when we talk about performing in the gym and
all of those things, and like I mean, I had
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to learn at you know, a very young age that
you didn't just get to be a wild kid in
the grocery store because what you did was a reflection
of Garth Brooks, you know what I mean. And like
and we as a family, we love that name. We
love the name of Tricia Yearwood. We love the name
of Garth Brooks. Now, those those products are not my parents,
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you know what I mean. My bonus mom is my
bonus mom, and my dad and my mom or my parents,
and that's what they are. But there's also that thing
of growing up where it's like man and anyone from
who's like a really really small town also gets it
to on that spectrum, like if you get in trouble
at the bar, you know what I mean, when you're
twenty one on your first time, like that is a
reflection of your family in that small town, you know
what I mean, And so think about that globally, it
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just seemed like everything we did so we had. We
tried to get the best grades, and we tried to
be the best athletes, and we tried to be the
kindest people in town, you know what I mean, Like
you just try and do all that thing, like what
you're talking about earlier, just to negate any possible run.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Ins with like being anything that's negative.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
And so as an adult, I'm twenty eight now and
I'm really trying to figure out what Ali does for Ali.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Have you read and this is such a cliche book,
But I say that because I just read it.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I always felt it was cliche, so I never read it.
I just read The Alchemist.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I'm familiar with the title.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Okay, me too, It's all I was familiar with it.
And so the whole thing is about finding your personal legend.
The whole book it's.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Saying that to me, was the first your purpose? Oh oh,
like your legacy?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, Like why do you exist? Like what.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Inside of you? What is your purpose? For being here,
and I think my purpose was so attached to my
career for so long. I give it only that's the
only thing I really had control in though, because it's
coming from how I grew up. I didn't have control.
I didn't have any family.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
So children do not have agency. I okay, go ahead,
Children do not have agency. I felt like I had
to develop agency very early because you had to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yes, yes, is.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Not a fault. You under see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like any child that had to establish their own agency
before I mean, let's just say eighteen, because culturally that's
that's what we do here. You know, at eighteen, you're
out there and you're able to make your own decisions.
You can mess up with the irs and go to jail,
you can do all the things at eighteen.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So anyone who has.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
To establish agency for them before that, that is something
that you're going to have to go back through your
entire life with your new beautiful on a lobe that
you have now and reprogram all of those things. Children
do not have agency. Children have freedom to be children.
And that is not the case for I'm sure most
most people. You know what I mean, Like we all
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have to do it, but you didn't have agency as
a child.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I would say, though, how I compare my childhood is
I would compare it to yours in the parallel of
you may have been given. You may have had the
ability to not have to have agency for so long
that it could have kept you from growing in certain ways.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
We didn't have agency because I think the biggest thing
of agency is not having the freedom to be a child,
not having the freedom to grow up and establish your
own likes and dislikes, like your own.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Fears and not fears.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Instead you have like this lifeline that has thrown on
to you that kind of takes away that agency. And
so for you having to perform in such a way
when you were younger, because you had to step in
and fill fill roles that children should not have to fill,
I think that affects the self the same way.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
But don't you think you had to step in and
fill roles of the expectation that that you had put
on yourself to be whomever everybody else thought you were?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Absolutely my siblings and I had absolutely no agency to
grow and to evolve at an appropriate pace, you know
what I mean? Reflection, Yes, And so how are you
encouraged to do that with the Alchemists.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
And where do you land at? Is there a landing point?
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I don't think there's a landing point ever, just in
general anyway, Yeah, I don't hate that. I think the
one thing I've learned is there really is no target ever.
You just kind of aim toward a goal, and then
at any time you want to modify that, you have
the ability to modify that. My goals used to be
A and B, and I've had a in therapy. I've
had a real hard time with not feeling like a
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failure because I'm modifying a goal, because I feel like
if I'm modifying a goal, I'm giving up.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So how is purpose to find in the Alchemist.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
That it's okay to.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Chase your sense of self even if it wasn't your
sense of self even five minutes ago, that there there
is no definitive sense of self. That a lot of
the things that we prioritize and make extremely important, we're
making important, making important for exterior for reasons that really
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don't matter to us, it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Matters to other people, and other people.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Matter to us, and limiting that because it's never going
to be gone. Yeah, and so yeah, I avoided that
book forever and I read it and pretty freaking amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I get why people like talk about it so much.
The same thing with the Four Agreements, Like I read
that didn't want to fends like read it and for
me that that the part of that book was don't
nothing in business is personal, even if it is it's not.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, those things make like push to make a decision
that is bigger than the self. I think same thing
with like pushing yourself to work out. It's like it's
just pushing that bigger conversation. That's like, I don't know,
it's hard, but I do like the I like the
frustration you have with taking on new stuff that you
know is gonna be helpful, but you also know that
you have to evolve afterwards.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm good with delayed gratification.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
I really am, because all my gratification has been extremely delayed, extremely.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So yeah, I'm pretty good with delayed gratification. You have
a lot of tattoos.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I was just I was looking at this photograph before
you came in here, and I was thinking about the
ones that are not on this photograph.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I like doing that every time I come to a
room I'm like, what's new?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
What are you saying with all these tattoos?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think that they all say you know something different
in their own way. I also don't find it to
be too serious in the sense of I saw a
woman when I was probably eight or nine that was
just covered head to toe in tattoos, and I thought,
what a Like, that's crazy. Like I just thought she
was stunning, And I thought, I want to represent what
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I've learned and how I've evolved in a bunch of
tiny little things that matter to me.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And some of them are just cool.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Some of them I just think are cool, like my
band aid, Are you joking?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I think all of them are probably cool. And I
guess so.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I wonder if you were, in your mind required to
live a certain way because of the expectation upon you,
is this a way to say there is no expectation
on me anymore?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I think for me, it's just an outward thing of like,
maybe that is one of the few things that I
have done for myself. I have tattoos of myself. I
have two tattoos of myself and where she was when
she got them and who she is now, because I
don't know who else is ever going to get an
ally colleen leg sleeve.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
If there are a couple of people, I'd be pretty rad.
I don't think there are. Anything is rarely just me,
so I'll do it. But I just love it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
But I've never thought about it as any kind of
like negating what people expect me to look like.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I've never talked. I've never taken it that way. I
don't mean to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, I did take it as that.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, I've had a lot of people ask me that
and asked about, oh, well, so you have tattoos because
your parents don't like tattoos orally the cases, And I'm
like I it has never crossed my mind to ask
my parents what they thought about my tattoos or my body.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
How many do you have?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm gonna I've passed with both of my arms being
one whole piece.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know I've passed thirty.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
What was your first tattoo?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
My elephant?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Which one on your leg?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yes, that's a odd place to get a first tattoo,
right on your quad.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
I already had my I already had my sleeve planned out.
But I I graduated. I was one of those really
late summer birthdays or graduated like seventeen. So I knew
I was going to be in Nashville when I was
eighteen because I chose my university here, and so I
already had Jay picked out. Jay Quarrels is my tattoo artists.
I absolutely love him, and so I already had him
picked out. So I just wanted something to get on
my eighteenth birthday, and the elephant was a painting that
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I'd done, and so I wanted I wanted to do
my own first tattoo like I wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
To design it.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Are they all personal?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Not all of them? Most of them?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yes, some of them I genuinely think, just look absolutely cool,
just swag.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
What's more personal a tattoo or a song that you've written,
because I'm assuming not all songs are as personal as others.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I mean there's a scale.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
There's absolutely a scale.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I mean there's those songs that there's very few of
these because I feel like as performers, you know, when
something touches us that much, we kind of have that
ego of thinking it can affect a lot of people.
But if you ever meet songwriters who have songs that
they've truly never played for anybody else.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That I think is the most personal thing that you
can that you can have.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Do you have one of those? Two of those? Three
of those?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I only have one?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Everything else I've always wanted to share in some capacity
with somebody.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Are you Are you making it precious? Or are you insecure?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think it's a shame thing, for sure, But I
think it's one of the very few ways, like outlets,
that I've learned to navigate shame with that I like.
But it's also rooted in performing, which I'm trying to
get away from. If I can turn my shame into
something and I think it's beautiful and that someone could
listen to it without arguing against it or negating its purpose,
surely I did a good job.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's performing. Is the shame limiting itself as time goes by.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
In your dream scenario? Or are you always going to
hold this song this precious?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
I think I'll hold it this precious until I don't
have shame for what they like the song is about,
you know what I mean, Like for shame for that memory,
shame for that circumstance, shame for how I reacted or
didn't react to that circumstance. I think that the shame
will always be there. And then there's also that performing
thing of like it's something that I don't want anyone's
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even positive affirmations about yet, you know, it's just a
little personal world. I don't know, but I don't think
I have any tattoos that I would feel as personal
about to a song.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Do you have any tattoos from songs?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Like?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Did you write a song ago? I'm gonna make this.
This makes me feel a certain way, it's about a
certain thing.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I have started my back recently, which is going to
be over my lifetime. All lyrics of mine that I
that like really mean something to me. So I have
a song called Wildflower, and that chorus is the first
lyrics that are on my back so far, because it's
just one of the songs that I want to represent
for the rest of my life and one of the
songs that I wrote for me to represent for.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
The rest of my life.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Are you ocd that the lyrics will have to be
in the same font or same side, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I've already made it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I've made sure that they can all be like hodgepodged
and like the margins are all different on all of
them too, and the fonts different on all of them
based off of like the character of the song, So
the font should reflect the song, if that makes any
kind of sense.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
How often do you write?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I write in some capacity every day, whether it's like
free writing, or whether it's actually putting melody to lyrics,
or whether it's co writing or write every day?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Are you a melody first or a concept lyric first?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Always different?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Generally fifty one percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Concept first.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
It's happening less and less as I get older that
I just have a melody that I can't shake that
I want to put it like a narrative to Usually
it's trying to find the melody.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That fits the narrative.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Where's home?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Somewhere where there's food? You know what I mean? I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's not Oklahoma. It's not here. I live here, I
was raised in Oklahoma. I don't know where I'm gonna
end up or where I want to spend my personal time.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
God knocks on the door and says, hey, take me
to your home. Where do you take them?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Take them to the barn. I have a barn at
my house. It has the best acoustics on the planet.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Why.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I think it's because it's open. It's like concrete and wood,
you know what I mean. It's nothing but refracturing sound.
There's no sound proofing or absorbing or anything out there.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
But there must be a security there in that spot though,
if you picked that, I.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Think it's just where I'm always alone. You know, my
house I've invited people into. My personal life is very small,
so it's also very connected. I only have really like
two best friends and people that I spend my time with,
so it's all really connected. Family's weird, will always be weird,
and I love them all so much. But the barn
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is the only place where it's ever just me. No
one works in there with me, no one cleans it
with me, no one takes care of the horses with me.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
That's just my place.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
So that is your security, I think so.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
And that barn probably allow me to put some words
in your mouth and then you can take them out.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That barn could probably exist in a.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Few places if it needed to. Yeah, Like, it's not
that literal place. It's what it stands for and what
you can do in it. Yeah, So it's not Oklahoma, huh, No,
When did that not?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
When was that not home?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Oklahoma never felt like home. Oklahoma has always felt like
an expectation and a weird thing. I have a song
on this project that's called Oklahoma Mountains, and there are
no mountains in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm sure you've been there. I'm sure you know.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
My wife's from there.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Where they're along all right, Yeah, there's nothing. You get lost,
you just look up.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
You're the one thing. They're great and loss. That's what
I'll say about the people.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
The people in Oklahoma are incredible. Everyone in Oklahoma will
agree with you. They're the best and the worst part.
The people are are what it is. But Oklahoma Mountains
is just they say, there's no mountains in Oklahoma. Why
have I always had to climb? Oklahoma is just tough
for me. It's tough on me. It's tough for me.
I don't know, And that's probably an alley thing.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Is that an expectation to being Guard's daughter thing?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't know that it's so much an expectation as
much as it's like a just like this really hard
label that nobody will move.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
What's the label?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Just being a product's daughter? Like there's not even an
Alley in the title. If I feel like I feel
like we've talked about this in the past grammar wise,
my vendetta with Garth Brooks daughter Comma Ali Coleene Comma
is really really great and works.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Really hard on our own.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That whole sentence is still wrong because I am an
adjective of the noun.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
That's crazy, you know what I mean? Like I am
a daughter.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
To a title that's that's crazy, because like he's a product,
Like Garth Brooks is a product that has been molded
and shaped and worked for, and I am a fan
of it. I love what it represents, I love who
it is, I love everything about it.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
But that's what it is. Like Garth Brooks is a product.
Ali Coleen is a product.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I've worked really hard on it, you know what I mean,
on its shelving, on its packaging, on what it represents,
on where it comes from, all of those things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But it doesn't have a by product. Do you under
ste what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Like, I'm not a byproduct of Garth Brooks. He's just
my dad and we love each other. And then I
went off and made a career for myself in music.
You know what I mean? In in Oklahoma. You're just
always a daughter. You're always someone who's probably never worked
very hard for anything. You're always someone who probably has
all of our finance taken care of. You're probably someone
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who dad sits in the meetings with you and make
sure that you've become as successful.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
As you are.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Like there's always some kind of byproduct of someone else's legacy,
and that's not what I am.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Do you think you have to work harder than the
average hard worker to prove that you work hard? Yeah?
Do you think it?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I'm not saying is it realm saying? Do you think
I do? I think it, yes, because.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Because that has been the narrative that I've been told
for as long as I can remember. I think I
shared this with you last time my first spelling tests,
made a hundred on it, did a great job, you
know what I mean, crushed it.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Kid next to me spelled beans wrong, be e in it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Beans rock on, Dude, you are so close. I got
a hundred on that spelling test because of who my dad.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Is, which you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Like just being told from the age that you were
six from someone who you sit next to in class
and do the same work with you, do the same
things every day. I went home and practiced, you know
what I mean. And that has been the case my
entire life. Every soccer team I've ever made, every tryout
I've ever had, every grade I've ever made, the car,
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I drive, the house, I have all of these things,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And everybody has their labels, everyone has their stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I'm not special. We all have our things. We have
to get over. Those are just things that I'm really
trying to get over.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I want to make a comparison. It's not to your dad,
and I hope the comparisons okay. And if it's not,
then we'll just say it's not okay, and you can
we'll talk about it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
But uh Nicotine.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
The song it feels I won't say sounds like, but
it feels like Ashley McBride type song.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Because I love Ashley.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I love Ashley.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Ashley's from Arkansas, like I am small town in Arkansas,
like we grew up in similar situations. So I love Ashley,
and I say that in a very complimentary way. It
feels like a story that she would tell how does
that make you feel if I make a comparison to
somebody else, because I don't think it's derivative of it
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at all, But I think that that is a skill
that a few people have.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I want to be Ashley McBride, So that makes me
feel like the coolest kid on the planet. That I
could even do something that Ashley would do. I think
that's the coolest thing on the planet. But I've never
once been told. I've never once been told when I
do something that I'm really proud of that Ashton McBride
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made that happen for me, you know what I mean,
Like it just never.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I also wasn't saying ash mc may that happened for you.
I'm saying it reminded me of that, right, But I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Just saying, like, being compared to another artist in that
kind of way, in a songwriting way, absolutely an honor,
especially one that I love. I'm like, I I did
something she could do. That's that's an honor. Even if
I've been and this doesn't happen often because we don't
sound alike it all, but the very few times, like
the first time that you watched me sing on YouTube
and I did choose every woman, and you said, I
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can hear Garth's inflexions in her voice. I can hear that.
That's one of the coolest compliments I've ever gotten in
my life, Bobby, because I've always wondered if I could
ever sound like him or like anything.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Like that, because my siblings don't sing at all or
do music.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I would think would be the opposite. And actually I
was a little ashamed that I had said.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That, No, that's okay. I think that's cool.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
But at the time too, like you weren't saying, oh,
she can sing because of who her dad is. You
didn't do that thing of like genetics must be good.
And then he punched me on the shoulder, you know
what I mean. You just Ali was compared in that
moment to a song or something of an artist that
she loves, and I thought that was really really cool.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I mean a tone and a texture, yeah, to me
is what it was. More than Hey, she's his kid.
Obviously she's gonna be able to do that exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
And those are different, you know what I mean, Like,
those things are different, and I can recognize that, Sony,
anything that I would have to do with like music,
I'm such an honor for But it's just like.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
If you told me.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That little Bobby Bones was walking into the room, I
would just think I would already have a lot of
assumptions about little Bobby that I'll have to do with you,
you know what I mean. There's nothing wrong with that.
That's human nature. It makes sense. I'm just asking more
so the industry to help me out, to not put
me in that box to people that I'm not gonna
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fit in that box. They're not gonna like me in there,
you know what I mean. I don't represent him at all.
So it's just always been really tough when it's like
Garth Brook's daughter Ali Coleen doing this, this this now
all of a sudden, everyone thinks friends in the Places
is gonna be in my set and it's not.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It's I ever thought about that, the expectation they would
have of you to play your dad's songs, Yeah, no way.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
M h everywhere I go.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah yeah, that would wear on me psychologically.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It'd be like if people expect to you to do
someone else's bits, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
it's like that, that's not even how that works. Like, no,
that's always tough, Like when You've worked so hard on
the products and like what it is, and I love
my music. I'm not gonna lie to you, Bobby. I
think I'm like one of the best. I love my music.
I get so excited every time I write something new,
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and I get so excited and I love it. But
you're not gonna feel that way if you think it's
gonna sound like a Garth Brooks song.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know what I mean. And that's always the wall
that I hit.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I love representing my family and being a daughter and
having the parents I have.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I love them.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I'm so proud of it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I just wish Ali Colin could also just stand on
her own in a conversation, you know, without the legacy.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Then I'm going to ask you a question that's going
to be annoying. What does not the product? But what
does your dad say about? How about how to approach that?
About how to approach finding yourself away from the Garth
Brooks product?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And there are two different people. There's Garth Brooks, like
you said, the product, and then there's your freaking dad
who's been through it and knows a lot because he's
been through it. What is his advice to you?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
My dad is man, and I might perceive it this way.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
So this entire conversation from this point on is how
ALI perceives this.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
You can tell you made a lot of therapy because
I say the same type of things you can tell
with someone that did a lot of therapy.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about
Garth Brooks, you guys. But how I perceive my relationship
with my father is I think he's very very hesitant
to tell me anything about music, you know what I mean,
because it just doesn't work the same as it did.
I mean, you're talking about generations different on like how
he entered the scene, how I'm trying to enter the scene.
My dad hates social media and sometimes thought that maybe
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I shouldn't do social media, like for myself, like for
to preserve Alley.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
But I'm like, who else is going to do it?
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Man?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Like I'm an independent artist. It's just me and Bev.
That's it, just me and my manager.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
It's all we got.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
So my dad really stays away from that kind of stuff.
And I don't ask too many questions either. Probably my
dad and I have worked out since I was a kid,
so maybe that's Also, I love the gym, but I've never.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Red what about your dad? Not the guy that does music,
but your dad. Let's say he didn't do music. You
probably don't have advice for somebody doing music and how
to differentiate themselves from A to B? Is is there
not a separation of church and state.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I have worked so hard in learning the difference between
Ali Cooling and Ali and the way that I perceive
my father is that he hasn't had that luxury. I
don't know that my dad knows that there's a difference
between Garth Brooks and Dad.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
That's fair.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I struggle at times with knowing there's the difference between me,
Bobby Estell and Bobby Bones, and I think the the I.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Think I only know because I saw the two difference,
you know what I mean? Because I didn't realize who
Dad was until I was probably twelve or thirteen, because
that was the age that I saw the Central Park
footage and I thought, now, I get why they are
grocery stores not that chill for us, you know, like
I really didn't. I knew he was huge, I knew
he was famous. I didn't know the capacity that it
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was global, you know what? I mean, like I really
didn't understand that. So I saw two different things. And
I mean you being entering to fame the way that
you did, you didn't have anybody you know that you
got to watch be two different things. So my perspective
is just really weird.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
How do you write a song? You walk back into
the barn.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
And you just sit down, and is it always there?
Speaker 2 (43:02):
It's always there. I've gotten to the point now on
guitar where I'm starting to.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Get better at it tour, because I used to if
I didn't start the melding on the guitar, I was
just screwed and was going to have to sing a
song later for a guitar player in the sense of
I'm very good at guitar, but I can't always find
my key or my chords, like if I'm making something up.
And now I've kind of gotten there, but now I
just I just sit down, and I just I said down,
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and I'm grateful I have a skill and a craft
that I've worked really hard at that I've met people
that don't have the same outlet. And ever since I
realized that, like it's not always normal for people to
sit down and be able to write a song. I
became really really grateful for that. And there is something
about like surrendering to your craft, like no matter what
it is, there's something about surrendering like to yourself and
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like your ability to do something. That's what songwriting feels.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Like what's your live show like? Because I've seen you play,
but it's always you've played our studio, you've played. I've
not seen you out in the big yeah, Like what
is it?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
My music is really big, it's really like sonically textured.
I'm a big sensory person. I have a lot of
sensory stuff and I love I just want my show
to feel like a five Gum.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Commercial, you know what I mean. I want there to
be subs a five Gum commercial, you know, like five
Gum it's like feature.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Sensors and it's like someone laying on like a bow
speaker that's the size of a football field and they're
just like laying on it and like the gum. Yeah, yeah,
so five Gum. I want my show to feel like
a sensory experience like that. So we try and we
do the whole heavy subs thing. My drummers are always
much more rock oriented than country oriented, and it's just
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big and it's fun. And I do an acoustic set
in the middle, which is very similar. It's like what
I've gotten to do with you in the studio, and
just to get to play my stuf acoustically for someone
right in the middle of my set.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
But for the rest of the show, I don't hold
a guitar or anything.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I just went around and I find little girls in
a crowd. Did I put a little faced hats on them?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Later in the merch line?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Really, m I keep eyelining on me all the time,
and I'll give them a little horse shoes if.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
They want it.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
What do you do before show? Any rituals?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
We have a pre show shot and a pre show
prayer where we come together.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
As far as me personally, no, I we all still
still kind of try and do everything and wear all
the hats. So who knows how long sound check goes,
you know, and how much time you have ready to
get ready afterwards.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
So it's always kind of a scramble for me.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Do you ever stumble into a song at sound check?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
It's completely different than you. But wolves if we're doing it.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
If I'm doing a comedy show and i'm testing, you know,
we're checking guitars, I'll just say funny stuff overcords. And
there have been a few times where we're like, oh,
this is actually a good idea. Let's just sit with
it and play it and kind of flesh it out.
I think we did a song called It's so trivial
compared to what you do. But we wrote a song
called your Mama's House right, and Matt Stell, the artist,
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and myself were up there. We were playing a show
in Atlanta, and we were just going back and forth
but on stage together, and somebody made your mama joke
and I was like, oh man, we should do that
with a song. And so he started playing something and
I think it was like, man.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
I really love your mama's house. You can always find
me there when you're not around.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
It got a good laugh, but we sort of just balanced.
He's going back and forth, back and forth, and there's
not always time for that there.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
But oh, right with your band? No, okay, I don't
write with my band. So I was wondering if maybe
you don't.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I don't have a band, Like I said, I'm not
you, You're actually good. I fake being good.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
That's not fair.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
I have a partner in Eddie.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
We have a band. I have Brandon and Brandon who
works with me as well. We'll send each other voice memos.
We'll never be in the same room and I'll just
be like, hey, what about this?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
That's what about this? And we'll go back and forth
and almost write, like here's the idea.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Is this funny? What if you did this? And eighty
five percent of the song gets written like that.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I want to learn how to not be a performer
in the writing room. I'm not very good at that
also too, Like usually like I have my own room
and the word document. I'm like, if you guys go
in there, I swear to God leave me alone. Okay,
you can read out loud all these other things I'm
putting on the main page.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
But my room's my room. Get out of here.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And like, if I have a chorus idea, I'm gonna
play you the entire chorus, you know what I mean.
I'm gonna sit with it. I'm gonna write the whole thing,
and I'm gonna ask you if.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
You like it.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
And I wish I could get a little more not
performer y in like the writing room.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
What about the vulnerability of the writing room?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I think it depends on who I'm writing with. I
have some people that.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I'll call them up and I'll be like, Hey, I
am not mentally okay or healthy or well today. Can
I come up and share with you what's going on
and you kind of scribe it out for me, you
know what I mean, and see if we can turn
it into something. And I've gotten to a point where
those co writers sometimes are like, Ali, yes, but if
you get over here and you're really not okay, we're
not going to romanticize this today, Like we're not going
(48:16):
to take everything you're going through and turn it into
something for you to sing later when like you still
are in this and like that's very few people, but
I have two or three, And that is the coolest
thing on the planet to not only have someone to
go to to talk about that stuff, but to have
someone stop you from performing and go, hey, you're having
a really hard time right now, and the song you're
(48:36):
writing is not even like reflecting these characters in a
true way, Like you're just you're taking something that really
hard that's happening to you, and we're watching you turn
it into something that is pretty and packaged and going
to be.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Consumed by people.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
And I feel like, this is what you're working really
hard to not do, and that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
And then I have other people where.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
You just get in there and you write the song
and it's almost all for them, like as an artist
or for somebody else. And I get to put on
the songwriter hat that day and my job is to
sit there and and mediate someone's feelings and to help
them kind of put it into something which is always different.
But the songwriting community in Nashville is so diverse and
it's so different, and so each write is different. It's
(49:19):
on way two, which I love with the ADHD brain
of like not wanting to do the same thing ever again,
you know, so you can always do something different with
the co writers in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
The EP, there's five songs on it. Why just five songs?
Speaker 1 (49:35):
These were the five that I didn't think anyone would
ever relate to. These are the five that I didn't
think were commercial. These are the five that Ali cared about,
and she couldn't get past them, you know, I wasn't
gonna go and release another single that I thought was
super commercial when I had these five that I've sat on.
Sincerely rolling Stone I've sat on since twenty twenty one,
and I love that song, and these are the five
(49:57):
that I just wanted to put out as a very
sincere This is how like, this is what a reflection
of Ali's world is right now, these songs.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
I have a question then, because the EPE is Sincerely
rolling Stone, But isn't the song just called rolling Stone? Because
now I'm confused, So.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
The song is called rolling Stone parentheses sincerely or sincerely
Prince of rolling Stone, however you want to do it absolutely,
you know, everyone asked about this. Our first album was
the same way. The first album is called Stones prince Ss.
I don't give a and people never know what the
song title is, so I'm eclectic.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Like the EP is Sincerely Camma Rollingly rolling Stone, but
track one is rolling Stone prince ye sincerely yes.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Because the song is the song is I want to
be your Rock, and I'm sorry that I'm not Sincerely
You're rolling Stone. So the EP is Sincerely rolling Stone
because this is a sincere project from me, and the
song is just called rolling Stone, because that's what people
come up and request. They say, well, you play the
rolling Stone song, so it's called rolling Stone.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
People were requesting it before we put out.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
I've been playing this live since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
And if people were requesting it then, I don't know
why would you think that song would be the most
non commercial or.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
No, probably lying to me, Bobby, here we go. Now
we're getting to the trauma again. We're going back, probably
lying to me. All five of these songs they're different.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
I mean even when listening because I tell you what,
this was easy to listen to because it's only five.
Sometimes people will be like, here's seventy three songs.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
I don't even listen to all of them.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, put this in your notes. Bobby will listen to
seventy three songs.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
I know that. But Bobby will be like, I didn't
get a chance to hear them all. So but.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
These five songs, I mean, I don't know that they
Now that you say how that project is what it means,
it makes more sense then because they all five don't
fit perfectly together. Is that insulting in anyway? Because I
didn't feel like But now it makes sense. If that's
why you pick the five?
Speaker 1 (51:55):
These are my five, you know what I mean? It's
not this was not a rolled out out Do we
have this song on it? Do we have one of
these songs on it? Do we have one of these songs?
Speaker 4 (52:05):
Cause that's what I expect most of the time now
whenever it's hey, we're releasing whatever the project is. We
need a mid we need an up, we need it down,
we need a set. You know, there were these roles
that the song has to play. I didn't feel that
this meant that criteria.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, it doesn't have it at all.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
These are the five that meant the world to me
that I wasn't sure if anyone else was going.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
To care about.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
And but my I have a really really amazing close following,
like of like the followers that I have, Like I'm
very close to my following. You have a really private
fan club that like gets together for like Thanksgiving and
like it's it's it's really special to me, and they
the cool kids have been asking for these.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Five songs for the last couple of years all the time.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
So I thought I'm going to put together since your
project of Ali because the single world is always chasing
you know what, represents me as a commercial artist, like
it always has been, always will be.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
It's how it's structured to do that.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
And so if there was a single from this, it
was Grass and the Grave, and we released that as
a single before it came out. But yeah, they're not
they're not supposed to go together. And then also Household
Name was something that I was never gonna be too
confident about releasing as a single because I didn't want
all the attention to be on Household Name. I wanted
to be a part of a project, and a sincere
(53:14):
project did that. So Household Name made it on this one,
which was one that I wasn't sure if I was
ever going to share with anybody, And it's one of
my favorite songs on there only because it's sonically achieves
everything I've wanted to.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
It's like the.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Thunder rolls of Amy Lee in Three Days Grace, which
is like my favorite thing on the plane. Am Yes, Yeah,
I listened to forty seven minutes of thunder pre roll
to pick the probably second and a half of thunder
that's in Household Name.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
I'm so proud of that.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
I picked under a pre roll just searching thunder sounds
and just listening to everyone because I needed the perfect
thunder crash, like I needed the perfect thunder that would
have been in thunder Rolls but wasn't and would represent
Allie and I picked it out. I was so proud
of it. So I had a lot of fun creating
this project. But it's not for I don't feel like
(54:05):
it's for commercial listeners. I feel like it's for the
people that care about Ali and represents exactly what our
next chapter of music commercially is going to be.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Then do this for me as we end, because I
want to play on the National Accuntdown show Grass on
the Grave, So I was like a good SoundBite, So
just tell me what the song's about, so then I
don't have to edit anything together.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I can just play this clip. Of course, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Grass and the Grave is just a song for you
to grieve all of your plants, whatever they are.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
For me, it was a relationship. It was an entire future.
It was a marriage. For some people, it.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Was a vacation in twenty twenty that they budgeted for
three years that they never got to take. For some
people with fertility. For some people, it's all of these
different things. And Grass and the grave. It's just a
real cool sonic song that isn't supposed to be too heavy,
isn't supposed to be too hard. It just allows you
three minutes of absolute frustration of what something was supposed
to be. But you're still going to be okay because
(55:02):
there's grass in the grave.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
You know that.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Except you had no choice but to nail it because
it's your story. You really couldn't have not nailed it.
Speaker 5 (55:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Would you have been like, do it? Reframe it?
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, I'd give us a reframe? Yeah? Can you?
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Can you say it again? But better?
Speaker 3 (55:17):
You're extremely magnetic as a person.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Are my magnets on the right side?
Speaker 3 (55:24):
Doesn't matter it does.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
One will push you away and one will drag in.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, but what pushes someone away?
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Have you seen that? My therapist did that with me
with magnets.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
Yeah, I just don't I temporarily would push someone away.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
I think we probably all are magnets. All change.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
Yeah, And I think I've been pushed away by certain
magnets that later I've realized, Oh, I shouldn't have been
pushed away at all. I should have actually, But that's
what probably pushed me away was feeling so uncomfortable that
I wanted to be drawn so.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Quick give on polarities crazy.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
I've spent a lot of money in therapy.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
I haven't portocols completely.
Speaker 3 (55:59):
Free good for you and good for everybody.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Who feel like it'd be free for you also, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
I don't know. They think I'm an artist enough. And
also I like my therapist to be really close to
my house.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
So I actually I go to a My wife and
I go to therapy every two weeks. We've been going
since before we got well, I guess right when we
got married.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's hot.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
It's awesome, except it's not like it's hard. Oh yeah, no,
for sure, it's hot, but it has I think for
me the.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Part it is hot, and you can quote me on that.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
I don't know that I will, but I will say
that it has allowed me to live in an uncomfortable
moment with my wife. And I never really had a
relationship that was intimate where it I just thought everything
intimate had to be perfect.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
No feeling uncomfortable and feeling safe at the same time.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
That's crazy, and for me, that has been the most
growth I've had is that it's okay for to be
comfortable and uncomfortable and to live in it. Yeah, because
that's what happens with normal humans. I didn't have normal
human relationships, so I didn't know. I thought every time
we fought, she hates me, it's over.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
No. The only time I could get you to talk
about anything personal last time was if it was about you.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
And your dogs.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
That's about it. And now it's a bit different. Yeah,
so we I've been able to grow in that a lot.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
And then my.
Speaker 4 (57:20):
Personal I go every other week to my own as well.
He's a psychiatrist and he can give medicine. Hell yeah,
and I took a bunch of OCD medicine. I was
on for a long time because I sometimes I get way,
way way obsessed with things.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
I like, thirty pounds. I need to help it all. Yeah,
I put on thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (57:35):
Well, I'm just like, I'd rather be focused and not
I have to buy new clothes. I was having to
buy pants, and I was like, what's happening right now?
My wife was like, did you check your medicine?
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Scary?
Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yeah, it's scary. And the medicine is like you will
gain three pounds a month or whatever it was, and
I was like, how did I know this?
Speaker 2 (57:49):
So he's something else for you to be OCD about.
Speaker 4 (57:51):
That's great, exactly. Now I'm OCD about not being on
OCD medicine. So yeah, it's been a big part of
my life. I'm glad to hear that you're so open
about it as well, because I think people need to
hear people talking about the benefits of it and not
the stigma of it.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Oh, it's incredible. Yeah, it's absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
I appreciate you being so open about it and talking
about it than you and you got the good magnets.
You're north, I'm south right now we're drawn. You're very magnetic.
You guys can follow Ali. We put all of our
information down Ali's information down below, and we talked about
it before she got here, So nothing has changed since
we spoke before Ali got here, at least I don't
think so, right, Mike.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
I'll still clear.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
Ali great to see as always, and congratulations on the record.
And now it all makes sense, but nothing ever makes
fully sense. And if it does start to make sense,
then you don't actually understand it.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
You can quote me on that.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
I probably will.
Speaker 4 (58:43):
No way you can remember that because I don't even
rememb I just said, all right, that's it, Thank you
Speaker 5 (58:47):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
Host
Bobby Bones
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