ANGIE K: From Cruise Ship Singer to The Voice & Breaking Barriers as a Proud Lesbian in Country Music

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Adam, Adam Adam Carrol n.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
She's a queen and talking, so she's getting really not
afraid to fail this.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Episode, so just let it flow. No one can do
we quiet carry line? Is sound a carolerne? What's up,
Angie K.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm so excited to finally be on this podcast. I
love this podcast. I saw the one with Adam Mac
so good.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I love so good Adam. Oh my gosh, what a
character with joy truly, truly, Oh my god. I yet
watched the Auto Mac episode. He was my last one
in December.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
He closed out twenty four and it was the perfect
ending to a year because he is truly like a treasure,
a present energy man.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
He's like a present.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yes, but we're sitting and I'm still hacking. Always do
my hacking. I thought I got it done, Angie, but
you know it's my thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's disgusting. Do you have any disgusting habits?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hey? Where this is the get real podcast, not the
you know, pretend you don't cough podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Hack? Really? Yeah, do you have any disgusting habits? Oh
that's a big question.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Or any habits like any like you know, like little
character traits that you do that people might think is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
To say them on your Actually, please, I have a
bad habit.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I can't believe I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
It's a podcast of when I cut my nails, you
eat them?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
No one but I I believe them in a like.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I do it carefully, but I leave them in a
pile on the side of the sink, and then I
throw them away because I don't like to bend down
and do it over the the trash can. And occasionally
I forget to throw them away. And my girlfriend, there's fianceance, my.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Fiance things, let me get with it.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
My fiance just loaths it.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
There's very few things that like, I mean, there's so
many things that could take her off about me, like
my habits, but like that one, she just thinks like.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Fingernails are disgusting, so like she just gets so mad
at me for it. But that's that would probably be
my worst habit that.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
We But I gotta give you a little credit though,
because you are trying to keep some tidy to throw
them away, I just forget.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
It's the same thing as I leave the I leave
the cabinets open all the time. It's like my brain
can't remember to close them. It's so awful, So.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Like, will you like leave the kitchen and all the
cabinets are wide open?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, and it's just that's another thing that kind of
drives her crazy. I've gotten a little better about it,
but I'm like, what is wrong with my brain that
I can't like complete the task? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, I'm actually Maddie.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm gonna give you these headphones, Maddie if anyone needs
content creator creator social Spark, Maddie's gonna be listening to it.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
She's serving as producer today as well. Love it. I know,
are you okay with the frame moving this far away?
Did you be closer? Guys in case you wanted to
know what goes on? This is it. We're just here
working it out as we go. Angie, Kay, I like it? Okay,
I don't really.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I I have to give you credit though, for the nails,
Like I feel your intentions are really.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Good to be clean? Yes, yeah, I know, But would
you ever cut them over the toilet? I guess that
makes sense, wouldn't it because you can just go right
into the toilet. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Said,
you know what, you're solving my problems right now, or
you could do it outside in thirty degree weather? Do
you clip your nails.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
All the time?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
You do?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of thing in the LGBTQ community,
it is.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, what do you mean? I have trimmed nails.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
We want to keep this PG rated, but I will
fully explain this to you off camera.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh is it like, I know sexy things? Most lesbians
don't have long nails. I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Okay, get real, Carolyn, not educating for all of you.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Really, I think it's a thing. So you're keeping them trim? Yeah,
you know? Nice? Kind of does Marissa keypers trim? Yeah? Nice? Okay,
this is exciting.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I what other things can you share with me about
the lgb what the like secret?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Not secret, but if you had me and Adam, we
could like a whole podcast. What are some of the
things that like people might not know? Okay, Sankey nails trimmed?
I can only imagine. We just got engaged. I will say.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Something that's fun is that we've been we've been dating
for ten years, if you can believe that, and nobody
knows who to ask or who to pressure be, Like,
so when are we getting married? So we never got
pressured ever, so it's like we're always like because nobody knows, like, oh,
whose job is it? If it's a guy, it's like,
come on, man asked the question. But uh, for us,
we just kind of got to relax because already knew
we were committed to each other. But you know, having a

(04:32):
wedding's expensive, so we wanted to save.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Out four it.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
But it was so great because I was like, this
is kind of a nice side of it because nobody
knows who to pressure be, Like what clocks ticken man?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Cause who never had it? Did y'all know who was
supposed to be the one to ask? No?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So we're we knew we wanted to ask each other.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It was actually really beautiful. So I took her down
to Tuloom. She has Mexican roots, so I kind of
wanted to on those a little bit. And we went
to this epic place.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
My sister, you're from mel Salvador, so you have but
that's not Spanish. That would be yeah, we speak Spanish.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah. So I grew up there and I moved to
the station I was eleven. But I always joke that
my girlfriend had a more Hispanic and like country upbringing
than I did, even though I grew up in olsalad
Or in Georgia. She grew up in a place called Ramona, California,
which is like Inland San Diego. And I'm telling you,
like they have like I'm talking like you know, you're
talking about like the kind of Mexicans at line dance

(05:18):
at the weddings kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Like it's a whole thing, like the most fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I mean I could not make like homemade Dorothias if
like my life dependent. I can make the Boosas, but
I can't make Dorthias. And she can, like literally from scratch.
I mean her old family, she has.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
All of it. You know that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, Okay, So did you grow up with like deep heritage.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
In like your roots. Yeah, yeah, no I did.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's just uh just like I kind of had a
I spoke English and Spanish at the same time. I
went to a school called Escort Americana, which means like
the American school. So half of El South or English
and half in Spanish. And like, yeah, I mean so
I kind of grew up with a pretty diverse world.
Whereas we're in Ramona, California. I mean it's very very
Hispanic over there, and I don't know if it is

(06:02):
so much now, but when she was growing up it
was so.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
But I brought her to Mexico.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
And we got this upgrade, so she kind of had
an idea that it was coming. And I had kind
of planned this whole thing with maniachis and stuff that
kind of foiled, I know, it kind of foiled, like.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
It didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
And then I found this awesome restaurant that had a cove,
and I thought I could go around the cove and
kind of privately ask her because she doesn't like a
lot of eyes on her, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then I realized the tide was at a point
where you couldn't go, so the only thing was the cove.
Everybody would just be watching. So I was kind of
freaking out. And then the waiter when she.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Left to the bathroom, I was like, hey, man, I
really need your help, Like where can I ask her?
And he was like, there's a private rooftop right over there,
and sure enough, like there was nobody up there and
the sun was just hitting the waves.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
And the breeze.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
And we love the ocean. Her whole relationship was by
the ocean, so like it was just perfect moment. And
when I got down on a knee, which I just
had knee surgery, so it's kind of hard for me
to do, I know, And she says, oh, and she
like smiles at me, but she like runs and I
swear it, but she runs away when you get to
I know, And I was like, I know, we were
whizzing past that, but I knew she wasn't.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Gonna say no.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
But I was like, well, this is awkward because if
anyone's watching, I'm just down on her knee and she
just runs away.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
So you literally had the scenario being left on your knee,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And I couldn't get up easily because my knees were
so then she like runs to get her fanny pack
and she grabs a ring too, and we're just both
like kneeling down and crying.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Wait, so y'all both put out a ring at the
same time. It's pretty great. That's pretty great.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
You were on one knee, a broken knee that was
healing broken knee, yes, and she was like, oh my god,
runs off, goes and grabs a ring, and then y'all
both are on knee giving each other a ring at
the same time.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
They was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
So y'all were so in sync, that's right. Yeah, how
did you feel that it was time? Like after ten years,
how did you finally feel like this is the time?

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I feel like it was.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I you know, I feel like you and I have
been long enough in this industry, especially because your husband's
in the industry too, so you've lived like twice as
much experience. It's like we get to a point where
the people that stick around you either go bitter you
get really grateful.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
And I was, yeah, a good point.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
And I feel like I got a point in my
career where this is my fourth record I'm releasing, and
I'm like there's always this fear, especially like in your
early twenties or teens.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
You're just like, this is my one moment.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
If this doesn't work, nothing over. And at this point,
I've been the Brocus of the Broke, and I've had
these great shows that have put me in a good place,
and I've been everywhere in between, and I'm like, well,
something happens.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'll just figure it out, you know you can.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, And it was this moment of like, yeah, I
kind of stressed about figuring out the money for the wedding,
but also like, I really want to marry this woman
and I want to call her my wife, and it
feels good to even think about that. So it was
just this moment where I was like, just feels good,
Let's do it. We're in such a steady, solid place,
it just felt right.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
That is so true.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
You either get like bitter or grateful, and you look
around and you're like, man, the people that you've really
like ridden their waves with and like the storm made
it through the storms with.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Want to stick around. That's how you know your family,
you know, well, because it's easy.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Like you started off like a big bang on the Voice,
you know, so you kind of start with like a
big push into the music industry.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
People had eyes on you.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, I'm sure you had been doing stuff before then,
but that was kind of early on in your career, right.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, So I got the Voice, but I was still
touring full time before that. So I've been touring full
time for almost like twelve years now, I want to say.
And so then on the Voice, I would I immediately
came off the show and I would try to book
a slightly bigger venue in the places that I've been to.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Already, so I kept touring and then I got I.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Actually got discovered really by Jaco and Keith Gaile. Keith
Gil's his manager.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Ray, and they're the reasons we moved to Jake Owen.
Maybe it's through Jake that we know each other.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Could be it, because we were sitting here trying to
figure out how we've noticed that I've known Jake for
like twenty years.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Really, yeah, no, him, he's the reason we moved to Nashville.
So I probably just saw you around one of the
parties or something.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Why is he the reason you moved to Nashville?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Because Keith wanted to sign me to his management company
at the time, and Keith who is it, Keith Keith Glee.
So they started a company called Good Good Company, Good Company,
Good Good good Guy.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
It's from the song Good Company Entertainment.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, and yeah, he he was like, I'd love to
help manage you and get you over here. And Jake
was so confidentary, He's like, I really think you have something.
I think you need to be in Nashville. And I
was living in San Diego with Mars at the time,
so I moved first just to test it out for
like I think like eight months and then she couldn't
have heard a move too.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
And so how did you meet Jake? How did you
get discovered by Jake and Keith? I actually don't know
who connected us.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I can't remember, Oh I do Matt Petty who used
to work on the Sony team. So Keith used to
work for RCA and Matt worked with everybody from like
Kenny Chesney and stuff. And he's such a fun He
is a character man like now he's like he like
kind of pulled back from the music industry. He has
his chickens in his backyard and he's just like the
hippiest hippie I've ever met, and I love him.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
But he was the one that sought my music with Keith.
Keith saw it. Of course, had to get Jake to approve,
and that's the reason I moved.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And they hooked me up with a lot of really
big pick people like Jesse Frasier, Nicole Gallion and Hillary
Lindsay wrote this song that I put out, Real Talk,
which out on Seriou six on the Highway as a
highway find Keith.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
That's actually a full circle moment because I.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Got on that highway find which is a huge That
was kind of my big smash into Nashville. And then
in twenty twenty, Keith.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Had to drop me because it was just like so chaotic.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh yeah, and he was so kind about and we're
still remaining really really good friends and uh and I
kind of did my own thing for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
And then j R.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Shuman, who's the reason seriends with with with Keith?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Does he still run serious? Or he did run here?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
He left serious to start a management and so I
ended up Now now he's my manager. So it really
works out great because then you know, I get to
see Keith thrown and I loved.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
It worked out really well. Yeah, he's the best. He
really is. He's such a good guy. So he's your
manager now he is.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, I've never gotten to actually tell that whole story.
Is it's kind of nice only here, It only here.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Thank you for dropping that.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's so funny the Nashville how it all disconnects and intertwines.
So that was your first So your first big introduce
to Nashville is on the Highway XM radio.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I think that really changed my life. So I
I got it. I told Keith I was.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Like my number one I'd always wanted to open for
is uh Is most Etheridge.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
I love her, like adore her, and so Keith me.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
And Keith just like sends the email because he knows
her manager. And it was before like I think like
the agencies had gotten her or something, and you're like, yeah, sure,
let's do it.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
And so I got to open for her at the Rhymen.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
You happened to be in the in the concert, and
I remember, uh, Melissa puts her hands on my shoulder
and give me the best of She was so sweet.
You never get to meet the people you open for
half the time, and she like made it a point
to meet me, told me I did a good job,
and then says after my show, like, please come to
my dressing room.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So I come over there. I'm like, she asked you
back to her dressing room.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Had so she like puts her hands on my shoulder
and she said, never care about the people in the
suits more than the people in the seats.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
That was her advice to me.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
And so right after after she said that, I just
hear so immediately I go to the I go to
like the merch table when I'm like meet every person
here and I'm like energized for it. And Jr's there
and he's like, hey, uh, I just wanted to say
you did a great job and I want to put
you on the radio, like thanks man, awesome. I got
to get to my merch table, so I just kind
of like kind of blew them off because I was like,
I gotta.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Get to my fans. Mo Evan told me to treat
them right.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
And you're like, and you're in a suit and yeah,
one of the yeah, you know, JR is all sorry.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
JR is literally always in that polo like so he
always looks like, you know, like that I can't.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Pay attention to you. You're in this, dude. I gotta
get to my face. I get to my people. But
he's like, no, I'm want to change your life and
he did. Luckily that didn't turn them off, so you like,
maybe you made him inspired by your commitment to your fans.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I hope so, because it could have gone another way.
It's not like most executives don't have a little bit
of an ego. So luckily JR didn't have them that night,
and yeah, we uh I sold it like a crazy
amount of merch that night and it was.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was a night that really changed my life.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, because that's the reason why I real talk got
on Jack's on the Highway, first song really that had
Spanish on it, that went on Cherou six so much.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I love that you put Spanish in your songs.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
You do that a lot, Yeah, just when it feels right.
Laredo was probably the big, the most like one of
my favorite kind of breakout songs of combining them because
it was its inspired by the story of my great grandparents.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
And yeah from Laredo.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Uh No, so they well they my mom was born
in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and her great her, her
mom's moms, her grandparents, uh were kind of rodeo they've done.
He went everything from mining to moving cows in Colorado,
moving them all the way down and then they there
was a rodeo in Laredo that they had this big
story that we were always telling our family.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
So we kind of like took.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Pieces of those stories that I feel like now have
probably gotten so exaggerated because they seem like these mythical
characters in my life now. So I kind of like
took all those stories and like put them all into
this song that now every time I.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Play it, it just feels like this like place I
get to go. It's like a little it's own little world. Yeah,
exactly that.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I feel like I grew up feeling like when I
when I went to visit my my grandmother when we
were living in El Salvador, that desert always felt so
like American to me because my dad loved Westerns. So like,
when we finally announced we're moving to the States, I thought,
that's what all of the US really kind of looked like.

(15:10):
And so when we lived and like we moved to
like a suburb routsie of Atlanta, I was like, what.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Is this Like my first introduction into the States was
a suburn outside of an Well.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
That's when we moved.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
But I thought, because I'd been to the desert, you know,
out there forever, I thought that most of the US
looked like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
So were you looking forward to living in the desert
or were you glad that you were in the suburbs.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I still really love the desert, that desert, that West
Texas all the way through. I love West tex Mexco, Arizona.
I just love I love love it. Yeah, I love
the heat, I mean too I love that it's so hot.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Now we really love the heat is too.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
This is the seasonal depression era. I feel like the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's real. And I had to explain that to my
girlfriend who's from San Diego. Oh yeah, oh it hits
California people hard.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
She's like, why don't my biggest thing? And I wonder
if an of you guys from California it deal with this.
Like she came here and I kept having It'd be
like so cold and we'd have the heat on, or
it'd be super hot and had acon, and she always
likes to open the windows and I'd be like, maybe
you can't do that here, Like it's not She was like,
so you use Keith the windows closed all the time,
and I'm like, yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
What we do here. She just can't understand it.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
What was it like growing up in El Salvador and
why did y'all move here.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's it's kind of tricky to talk about because I
always worry people will just take apart because people always say,
like when I'm going down there, They're like, oh, that
must be so dangerous, and it's like, yes, true, there
are problems, but like it is the most beautiful country in.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
The world like it truly it has.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's so small, but it packs so much and so
I mean the most beautiful beaches you've ever seen, the volcanoes, mountains, lake.
I mean, it's the kind of stunning that just makes
your heart feel lighter. Oh yeah, and I grew up
in that, like untouched Earth was what I grew up in.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, I think for me, I like talking about how
beautiful it was. But yeah, there was a lot of problems.
And I mean I can remember growing up hearing like
the whistle and then hearing kind of like a bomb
fall and that went not far because we lived in
Sun Salvador, but we would on the weekends go to
the to the water, so we lived kind of in

(17:23):
the city were.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
There was it just like fights within the country. Yeah,
there was a lot of civil strife.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Like my dad which I probably wouldn't have been able to
talk about this even like eight years ago, my dad
was attempted kidnapping and he had to jump out of
a car to get away his grandfather. The reason we
were born in All Salvador was my parents met University
of New Mexico and my grandfather my dad's side while kidnapped.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
And so it was just random for a reason. The
way that.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Gangs make money is they kidnapped people that they think
have money and then they asked for ransoms and so
that was pretty calm.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
And my dad's last name is.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Associated with a very wealthy group of people, even though
we necessarily didn't have all that.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
We were well off, but like, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
My mom after May and my dad after knowing him
for like four months, they lived together and they'd built
a life together but didn't have any kids. All of
a sudden, my mom had to get into Al Salvador
just with money stropped to her body, not because it
wasn't legal to bring it in, but if they knew
you had it, they knew that they'd get kidnapped to
so like wow, they had to bring the money for
the ransom in cash, and yeah, it was it was

(18:35):
no scary time. Yeah, and a lot of this I
only picked up in pieces because my parents don't talk
about a lot of this stuff. But they finally got
my grandfather back and he died shortly afterwards from cancer.
So there was just a lot of reality that my
parents dealt with that they sheltered us from. But I
mean there were things like in my school that I
went to, I went on a field trip and I

(18:57):
remember all of a sudden, we all had to lay
down the middle of the bus, like in between the
seats because somebody had stopped the bus with AK forty sevens.
I actually remember being so annoyed by my teacher on
top of me because I'm like so heavy, it's so annoying,
and not being scared. So it's so interesting because I
moved really before, I kind of had that part of
my brain developed that knew when to be scared, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I seen so I was very sheltered I think from
a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
So when presented with the opportunity to move, which you know,
my dad lost a lot in that move of things
he could have had and he started over basically the
United States, and.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Wow, and they probably did that for you. Oh, I
had four sisters, so they did that for all the kids. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
But I hate to say that we like escaped in
that way because it's still it's a beautiful country. But yeah,
there's things that I don't take for granted here. Like
I remember the first day my mom left the front
door unlocked and.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
I can she let me bike to those pool by myself.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Like, I remember those moments as massive things because in
my house in Al Savador, we had massive metal doors
on everything, bars on the windows, we had a driver
that had we had bulletproof car windows. Everywhere we went
like there was I mean, I could tell so many
stories that would sound crazy, but to me don't feel

(20:10):
traumatic because I didn't necessarily process them the way that right, yeah,
if that makes sense, So like to me, I see
my parents really haven't gone through a lot and sacrificed
a lot for us, But I didn't necessarily see that
the way that I do now.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
When I was younger, what a.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like a big decision and like moving five girls, how'd
they end up outside of Atlanta?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I think the Hope scholarship was a really big thing
in Georgia, which is like it means if as long
as you keep a three point zho, you got your
tuition covered in an in state college. And there's a
couple other states that do that. But like, my parents
have always been all about education. So of course when
I called them two years into Georgia Tech and said, hey,
I'm quitting school and I'm going to go work on
a cruise ship.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
They were just thrilled, like because I mean not that
they don't want you to follow your dreams, but they've
just gone through quite a bit to get you over here,
so they're probably come on, Angie, Yeah, are they what
did they say? Were they ultimately supportive?

Speaker 1 (21:01):
The thing is is my mom is like.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
She's kind, she's stubborn in a little spicy, So like
I grew up around that as a role model to
be like I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, you know,
and so like, although I was nervous to tell them,
they knew they couldn't stop me, and they kind of
have a very solid family first, Like family is the
most important thing thing, So I knew they weren't going
to reject me, and so yeah, they were like, Okay,
that's what you're gonna do. And so yeah, I worked

(21:26):
on cruise ships. I went from working on really on.
I worked at a Mustang parts salvage yard basically okay,
and I went from that to making I think it
was like seven hundred dollars a week and somebody would make.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
My bed every day on the cruise. Shoot. Yeah, all
the food is done. I'm in a Caribbean island. Everything
like this is kind of it, Like I kind of
like twenty one was it heaven?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm telling you it was like the greatest thing I've
ever done.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
How many years were you on the cruise ship? I
have to really think about it. So like.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I started it Georgia Tech in two thousand and nine,
So I think I in twenty twelve is when I
said I'm gonna kind of come off. And that's when
I had the cruise ship offer in the distance, and
that's and then I think twenty thirteen is when I officially.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Kindly got on the ship. I think that's right.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, Yeah, were you what kind of was it a
Disney cruise ship?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Uh no, no, no, it was Carnival. What did you do? Like,
what was your job? I would play for four hours? Seeing? Yeah,
what kind of solstic soloists? Well, I told them I
knew three hundred. I knew like fifty.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So I thought i'd get fired if I didn't know
a request because everybody else was like Berkeley grads. I
don't know why they hired me. I found out later,
but I'll tell you that story in a second. But yeah,
I would play for four hours a day, and I
I went from knowing fifty songs for about twenty one hundred,
and I would just use almost all my money on
internet to get on and learn the songs.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So that's why a lot of times people will say,
I love your version of this, and I'm like, I
don't have a version of it.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's just the best I could do. If I'm hearing
it once, you were just trying to keep the coming. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So I yeah, I did that, and I'm so grateful
for it because some of my favorite followers and fans
that have become family are from the ship still. Like
I mean, if I do a show in Nashville, I
solid twenty percent are people that fly in from all
over the United States.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, it's kind of their thing. They all meet up
on my Nashville shows. Yeah. So okay, so you said
you're gonna tell me something later. You thought you were
gonna get fired, So.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well know that how I got that job I found
out later because I guess I had everyone else's a
Berkeley grad on the ship and I'm like, I don't
even know number charts at this point. I didn't even
play with a pick when I got that job, I mean,
and I only had a wardrobe exclusively from Walmart Clarance
ale like Clarence. Yeah, I'm telling you, I had this
and my girlfriend fell in love with me. And the
first she was just cruising.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
On the cruise. She just like this girl's great. I
love this girl.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
And I had like electric blue lace tennis sees, you know,
the clearance kind of tennis you know what I'm saying.
Nothing wrong with that, but not the best thing to
wear on stage, and like probably a free T shirt
I got or something.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
And she liked me. Then that's one of the reasons
I heard. But who was she cruising with just.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
A bunch of her friends and we we just knew
each other. We just met each other on that cruise.
We didn't start dating till two years out.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
So would you meet people and then just like hang
out like you do your job, and then you could
just like hang out and enjoy the cruise.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
And this is a big thing that I'm so grateful
for because there are people that are ten times more
talented than me that have such a much harder time
climbing you know, this industry because they're not people person
Oh yah know and I'm to me, I just love
meeting people and talk to So I would literally finish
my set, I rumber myself a beer and I'd go
like I'd kind of walk by a table and be like, hey,
so where are you all from and kind of get
a vibe of whether or not they like want and

(24:45):
a lot of times they were like wanting to hear,
like what do you do? And then I learned about
what their favorite songs are, and then I play in
the next day and yeah, that's how I got to
know everybody. But yeah, Riss, Marissa, my girlfriend was my
fiance was definitely the best part of that experience.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
So why did you say you wouldn't have gotten hired?
Why you got hired? I got hired.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I found out later this Roger Butterly was in charge
of all the musicians on Corona. He just got hired
and he noticed that there were no female soloists.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well everybody was a dude.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, and I a while back had submitted my stuff
for cruise ships and they were like, I was the
only video that can find I guess, And that's how
I got hired, like right off the bat, without really
any kind of big interview process or anything.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I just they just saw my video, like, hey, can
you be on a cruise ship the next you know,
on this date, And is that kind of where we're like,
I guess I need to quit college. I got ato
cruise coming up kind of.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
That was absolutely the catalyst because that's when I was like, well,
I know I can do this full time.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
So even if it takes a.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
While for me to officially get on the ship, I
know that I know that I'll be able to do
it full time. So I won't because the only thing
my parents could do is say we're gonna help you
if you're in a triggy spot, which they wouldn't do,
but they wouldn't necessarily like I need money for a record.
That's how I made the money for my first record
and stuff. So to me, I was like, Okay, now
I know this is possible. And that's when I started
kind of doing the bar shows for a while and

(26:04):
before I get on the ship. But the guy that
hired me on that, Roger, came on the ship, but
we ended up becoming fast Fronts because he's such a
music There's a few people I've met as musical as
he is. He ends up getting hired by Disney and
he calls me one day and I'm doing my little
bar tours and he's like, hey, can you can you
come and sing on this demo for me? And I
was like, yeah, of course, Roger, anything for you. So

(26:25):
I go over there and I sing on this demo
and I'm like, this song sounds like a big song
at the parks. I'd done a couple things for the
parks before then that were just like quick things like
when you wish upon a Star remake and stuff, but
these are just played in the parks, so like, okay,
quick and easy thing.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
So I thought it was that turned out.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
He calls me later and he's like, Hey, what would
you say if I told you that I that You're
going to be the voice along with Jordan Fisher for
the Firework Show.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Like that's replace the.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Big fireworks show at Disney.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
So every day the Fireworks Show plays at Walt Disney World,
that's my voice.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Still ground of it. Yeah, I know it went away
for like a year and people were so mad they
brought it back. Well that's like even cooler, but yeah,
are you kidding? Yeah? And when I go to Disney,
they're so nice to me.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
They like treat me to like they they give me
like the VIP stuff the tour.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, so I don't have to stay in the lines.
Is that where you were like on a Safari ride
and nobody was there? It was crazy? So you get
like Disney to yourself.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, which, like I'm a huge Disney fan, but no
one's a bigger Disney fan than my fiance.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
So like, it really gave me some points.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Man, it really did, like she might like, I feel
like it gave me an extra reason for her ever
to break up with me.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Can you go to Disney all the time?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Do you have?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I try to go at least like once a year,
but yeah, it's do you always get the VIP treatment
when you go?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I never asked for it, so I'm like sometimes I
almost always just ask for the tickets because I'm happy
with just the tickets too. But yeah, the last time
they they had a really high profile actor had canceled,
and that.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Was where we got his security.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
They have a security guard when they have the VIP
tour guide, and then they have a security guard for
a really high profile people, not me, but the guy
they're canceled, and the security guard run it to still work,
so we'll just go with Angie. So because everybody saw him,
they they just all of the carts were completely clear
for us for everything. So like when we did like

(28:17):
like the the Star Wars thing, it was just us,
the Star Wars and the door everything. It was just
all four of us, like stop it.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It was the best. I don't think we'll ever get
that again, but like that was what a moment in
time because Disney.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
We just went for my daughter's fifth birthday and I
just was like, this isn't truly the greatest place in
the world. I get why they say it's the happiest
place on Earth's because you are like shot into an
alternate reality that is just absolute bliss and fun enjoy.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, Like my sister like, I think it's like we
all finally getting that quality time that even just the
standing in line, honestly, it's part of it, Like it's
part of just what are.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
You going to talk about? You're standing around and talking,
you have it's true quality time.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
And I think that's what people that don't really understand
Disney adults, they don't get that. It's like that's what
it is. And then when you your kids. Now when
they go they have all those memories. They get to
save her for their kids, and it becomes this beautiful
tradition that you you get to pass on.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's kind of incredible that we have Disney honestly, just
us gushing about it.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
I mean, I love Okay, so let's rewind back to
the beginning of this podcast, when you are joint proposing
and Marissa and you propose, and then after that like, okay, no,
we y'all met.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Before you're on the voice. I'm trying to piece there
at the timeline.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
So y'all were on the cruise and you met, and
then you moved to California.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh, this is a good part actually.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
So when I got kind of been talking for a minute,
and then when I got.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
To audio, Marissa like when y'all met, you'a are like, oh,
I love you.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
It's going to be a thing. We tell different stories.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Okay, it's a little bit of a contention, but she
says that she was interested that when she first met me.
But like you always know your lesbian. I think if I.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Was born in like the eighteen hundreds, I could make
it work. But make some butter and have some baby
but knowing that women.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Were possibility, there's no going back. Okay, that's how I
would describe my sexuality. Okay, Marise is probably more by it,
but okay, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
What was I talking about? The story how y'all met?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, So she comes up and look and ask me
for a request, and I was like, I'm sorry, I
don't know that song. It was Ellie Golden song and
she was like, I heard you playing it upstairs, and Marissa,
if you know her, she can be kind of stubborn.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
And I was like, nope, I actually don't know that song.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
She was like I heard you playing it and I
was like, look, lady, I don't know this song.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
But we were kind of joking about it.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
And to this day she swears I sang that song
because later on she saw YouTube video of me singing
a Ellie Golden.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Song and I was like, there's no way could have
played it and have the chart for it. But she
still swears I was messing with her. But so was
it love at first sight for you and for her?
Or was it in a little minute?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Did y'll start dating on the cruise ship or was
it like you got each other's numbers and kept in touch.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I think there was definitely a spark when we first met,
but it wasn't really until we started kind of talking
that we started really getting to know each other.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
And then when I.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I auditioned for the voice back when they sequested people
for like a year, they were flying into us there.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Used to like take a whole freaking It was.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Insane, and they would keep you from doing gigs and stuff,
and I get it. I can totally understand why, but
it was a very difficult audition process for especially people
with kids or who had jobs like teachers.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Or who could do that for a year.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
People that wanted that bad. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I
was lucky that I was a lot flexed. I was
pretty flexible. So they'd fly me to this hotel and
they had to stay in Burbank, and right down the
road was the coaster that goes along the one oh
one and goes down the coast of California.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
So I would sneak out and when they.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Cause, they would tell us what our schedule was a
day before, and they'd be things for us to do,
and sometimes we'd have the day off and I would
sneak out, take the coaster and go see her in
Encinitas in San Diego, and that's how we really started dating,
getting know each other.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I still the voice starting all together. Yeah, truly.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
And what I think the coolest part about I don't know.
I can't speak for other seasons, but I feel like
my season really felt like a family.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
And they all could have ratted me out because they
knew you were doing this, know what he did, because.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Because if they found out that I'd left those he
kicked off easily.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, but they didn't cover for me. Yeah, no way.
And I'm just I'm just another person competing for the
same thing that they want.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
You know, there's one less person to have to compete against.
I mean, why wouldn't they want to kick you out?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And it was just we just liked each other. I
mean we would stay up late and we would sing
and annoy other people at the hotel, and like we
just all harmonize.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
It really feel it feels like.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
One of the truly most pivotal points in my life
truly is not the time on the show, but truly
the time with all of us experiencing something so intense
together and choosing to enjoy it instead of competing.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
That is such a great point because choosing to enjoy
it instead of competing, because has a secret to life
right there.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
That is the.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Secret to life right there, Because that is so true,
because everything can be a competition if you want it
to be.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Especially now that we're I mean, your whole whole life.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Can be a competition, starting with a kid like my
daughter's five, and she's still like she's already starting to
like want to be great at stuff and like wonder
if she's as good as other people at stuff, and like,
but it's like, now I sall her.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
It's not a competition. It's not a competition. You always
gonul to do the best you can.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
But it's like, especially when you get older and money matters,
career matters, it's not like you, you know, everyone has
to like figure their life out. You're not doing this
for fun per se. Obviously it's your dream and passion,
but you know, yeah, there's a lot on the line.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, and and to make it enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
It's everything, Yeah, And I think anyone that's been an
industry a long time has probably figured that out.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
You have to otherwise you're miserable.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
You're miserable because like there's always another carrot. There's and
I think something that like hit me. Actually, I feel
like it's hit me a couple of times. I feel like,
really hit me hard. The last couple of months is
realizing like, at no point do you feel like.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
You had it?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
You have it, you haven't made you know, like there's
really no point that you actually really feel that way.
Like I'm looking at artists that I've known and watched forever,
and now that I've gotten to know a lot of them,
I realize, like, wow.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
They're just as stressed out.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
If people are gonna like the single, it's just the
odds are different. It's like for them, if you're signed
to a label, if you have less than twenty million streams,
it is a disaster. Oh, whereas for me a million streams,
I'm like, what a great single, you know, And it's
just this it's the same steaks or the stakes are different,
but it's the same stress, you know. And I think
when you realize that, you're like, well, then the only

(34:27):
point is to actually enjoy where I am, and that's
the whole.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Game is sacred to life in general.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah, man, that's so true, especially being on the voice,
because here's like the top of the top people in
the United States, like they've gathered the truly the greatest
singers at that time in the United States. Yeah, so
everybody has their own special gift and everybody has their
own special flavor, and you could easily compare yourself. But
at the same time, it's like, how can you compare
people who are also uniquely different? And maybe one person

(34:57):
can belt and like hit the notes and the stars,
another person has just a really deep, smooth, like R
and B voice, But so you can't even compare because
everyone is so special. And I think that that's leaning
into the fact that you know this at your gift,
you know that you're great and like you there's.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
No point to compare.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's the belief, right, So, like that's the thing I
struggle with. If people always say, like, oh, the long drives,
it must be so hard and the bloodweat and tears,
blood sweat and tears.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Are the easiest part.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It's believing that that's going to lead to something, because
hard work only really becomes hard when you all of
a sudden don't trust the outcome. But if you trust
the outcome, someone said you're gonna be multi millionaire, super
famous person if you just keep it up. And this
is a fact, Dad, I can promise you easy as
hell to do, like an eight hour drive easy.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Easy.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
If I knew that the rest of my life, I
would never have to worry about money, no problem.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
But it's just it's the belief, right, the lowest. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
And I'll say a good lesson for me was Alison
Porter was the one who won my season. When I
got off the show. I think when you're younger, you
forget to be there for people when it's hard because
you think they just want to be alone and that
goes for like hospital stays, everything, And as you get
older you realize, no, it's really important to show up
during those moments. And I had a lot of friends
and on that show, and when I came off, nobody

(36:11):
really texted me. And that was It's hard because you
go to another hotel, you don't really get a point
to talk to everybody else.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
So you have this big experience and then when it's over,
you're just shuttled away from all your best friends.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, and Alice and Porter, she should have been getting
ready for her time up on the stage, and I
remember she texted me a really nice text, and I'm
like that moment kind of was this really teachable moment
for me of being like, next time, like pay attention,
like pay attention to people around you, because that is

(36:44):
so much more life giving to to this day, she
comments on my stuff all the time, I comment at hers,
and I feel like that relationship, that moment made.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
The voice feel more.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Of a beautiful memory to me, because if nobody had
texted me or nob have done anything, I would have
felt like maybe it wasn't real. And just that one observation,
that one moment she took to not worry about herself
and to worry about someone else. It like really, uh
made an impact on me, you know, and it made
me a better person because I know how much that's
valued outside of myself.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
That makes sense. So God, isn't life so complicated and beautiful?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
And it's like you can't you can't miss it because
like that is such a tiny little lie that you
could easily miss that life lesson you know, Like, but
you caught it, you paid attention.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
You realize how that made you feel.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
She realized the importance of it, like y'all had that
moment and like essuchily it could have been just such
a nothing moment, a passing moment. But because of those actions,
her taking the time for her to have that empathy
and to put herself in your shoes, because she easily
could have been you. You know, when y'all get to
the finals, anybody could have won. You know, I got
off actually pretty early, don't you feel like eight or so? No,

(38:05):
I got like, I got like on three episodes. I think, well,
I mean three episodes, that's no.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I loved it, I know, pretty great.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
So how many people were like, is it like how
many people were in the cast that you were hanging out?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I was in like the top twenty, I want to say,
and then it like went down to top ten pretty fast,
and I didn't come close.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I didn't get the live shows, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Okay, but yeah, but like you could easily miss that moment.
And those are the moments that like when we were
old and gray and you know, about to walk over
Rainbow Bridge or whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I feel like we're going to look back and.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Be like, this is all these little collections of moments
that is what life is.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
No. I remember one of the I did this big
show with my band recently, and we had just talked
about peanut butter sandwiches at rehearsal.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
You know, Megan Jane, the.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Drummer, she's like dorm peanut butter sandwiches. Yeah, we were
talking about how much we love peanut butter sandwiches and jelly.
We do this really fancy gig and we're all just
really hungry, and my drummer pulls out peanut and jelly
sandwiches for red and we're all eating like these peanut
butter and jelly sanwiches, little kids like waiting to go
on this big stage. And it was like, it's like
that in telling you, it's those little moments that you
don't realize matter, and that's what really makes the lightness

(39:10):
that you need to be present and be like, how
silly is it what we do for a living, Like
playing instrument direty on stage? You know, it's kind of
it's ridiculous, and people just like dancing and enjoying it
like humans were crazy, And like when you take things
too seriously, you don't get a chance to look around
and not just appreciate what you got, but what you're
giving people, you know, and when you can give people.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
But that's always I'm a work in progress in that regard.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I love this, Angie, because I feel like you are
just hitting the nail on the head with like what
life is and like the importance of life because and
I can tell like you are such a community driven person.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Like being in community.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
With people that you love, that you value and that
you can have connection with it really matters to you.
And that really is the secret to life. Because starting
with like your family being a close family, and like
your parents saying like family first, no matter what you knew,
you had the safety to go to your dreams because
you have this community that you know will love you
and support you. And then like getting involved with the
cruise ship and like getting to know people on the

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cruise ship and make that an experience, because you could
have isolated on the cruise ship.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
You could have done your job. You could have totally isolated.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
You didn't you know, like you being there by yourself
like it could you could have just kind of kept
to yourself, or you could have made it a community
experience and got to know people and shared stories and
you know, shared an adventure together.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Same thing with the voice.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
You could have totally isolated and like made it about
like just your experience and your fears and what could
go wrong and how you got to win and you
know how you got to stay like locked up and
focus on the prize and not actually the experience of
the people that you're doing it with. And I can
just see you have a theme that you always find
the community and you really lean into that and that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Thanks for saying that.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I feel like I definitely like I'm like a work
in progress. Like I was not like this when I
was twenty one. I could tell you that I was
a lot more frantic, a lot I had to chip
on my shoulder that I still have to kind of
why do you have chip on your shoulder? Just feel
you know, you get this feeling like I'm gonna work
hard and work harder than everybody and I'm gonna just
be be great and I'm gonna work so hard and
then I'm gonna deserve it, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
And it's like you just roll your eyes at that when.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
You've been doing something in a difficult place for a
long time, because it's like no one deserves to be famous,
like zero people.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Deserve like, uh, you know that gift, you.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Know, but fame can also be the worst thing that
could ever happen to you.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Maybe you're getting the gift by not having like the
extreme fame right now because you've had these beautiful adventures
and community.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, and I you know, it's just like it's like
I said, it's like constantly trying to rebalance yourself because.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
So the ship on your shoulders, Like I've worked so
hard for so long, Like why has this not paid
off like I think it should?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Or when you start comparing the comparison is the theft
of joy is one of my favorite quotes, because it's
like you start comparing yourself to people that you maybe
think aren't working as hard unless the.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Heart is good.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And the worst part of that poison of thinking working
hard is the only way you get somewhere is you
can't be happy for some who did something that you
think had it easier than you. And I promise you
anyone there's people that look at my stuff and think
I had it real super easy, you know, and it's
like maybe I did compared to a lot of people,
but luckily I had the I live inside the borders
of the United States, not only that I live in

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three of the big, like one of three massive cities
for entertainment in the world and the city for country music.
So it's like the fact that I could literally just
drive here in three hours my turn sixteen is pretty insane.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Like that's that was a gift.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
If I hadn't gotten that, if I had lived stayed
in El Salvador, you know, or lived in another country
or in Europe or something. Being even people even knowing
my name is becomes ten thousand times more of a challenge.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
So like there's a lot to be grateful for.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
But how cool that your life is so wide open though,
I mean, like you started in El Salvador, and I know,
like you you move for certain reasons, but it's like
you started in El Salvador. Your life is like not
everyone has such a wide life, you know. Not everyone
has such a vast life or they experienced so much
and see so much and like learn so much.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Some people are just.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
More into a little spot with a little bubble, a
little mindset, a little thought of the world.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
You have such a big thought of the world.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Like you know, and like the options were you realize
anything could be an option, because like leaving a country
starting over then like leaving college, going on a cruise ship,
going on the voice.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Like you said, you can move to Europe like you have.
The world just feels like endless possibilities for you. Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I actually I started something called it's still in the
baby phase, but it's called The Country a Lot in Association,
and my dream with it is to get more people
from outside the United States showcasing in Nashville. And yeah
that I think that. One of my favorite things to
say is, like country everyone. Country music is not for everyone,
but country people are everywhere. Like so if you look

(43:49):
at like there's more rural communities in Brazil, in uh In,
Nel Salvador, in uh In, Mexico than there are in
the cities really and and all those people have a
lot of the same values. I mean, most I think
these boots were made in Mexico, you know, like most
of that cowboy world is still working really hard in
Puerto Rico and they're raising their cattle and raising their crops.

(44:12):
And it's the values of what we talk about connect
more than pop music does in a lot of these places.
But we know reggaeton is one of the biggest brands
of music to cross over into pop.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So we think, oh, we just need.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
To combine country with regaeton, and it's like no, I mean,
I think that could do well, but it's like, I
wish there was an easier way to like truly talk
about the nuances of these different cultures like Mexican versus
El Salvador and stuff. So that's why we kind of
we've been doing that, kind of sharing those stories out
the country a lot and association interviewing country artists, hearing
about what it means to be a Cuban immigrants son

(44:48):
versus being someone Puerto Rico or someone from from Mexico,
you know, and it's wildly different stories and different values
in different distant worlds that they grew up in.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
It's so fascinating life Just O my mind, there's so
many ways to have a life. So when you came
to Nashville, you were with Marissa, Yeah, you were openly lesbian.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Was this always?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Was it a hard journey to be openly lesbian? Or
has it been easy as a country artiste?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Was your family cool with it? Was country music embracing?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Because I feel like you to me, I mean, as
an outsider, it feels like you got it. Going on
and it is your stuff so awesome, and I feel
like I feel like it has well I'm not even
put on.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I feel like, what has it been like for you? No, no,
I think I think it's simp like I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, so I think first, I want to say I
only speak to my own experience, because like I'm like,
my skin color is light, I I'm a I look
I can blend it in a lot of different scenarios.
When I speak Spanish, I sound like I'm from somewhere else.
When I speak English, I sound like I'm American.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
So I will say that's important to know because if
I looked very different, I might have had a very
different experience. So I say that to qualify, like, this
is just my experience. I'm not speaking for everybody, but yeah,
I think I grew up in a family where although
it wasn't super stoked about it at the beginning, I
knew weren't going to leave me. Other people don't have
that luxury, and without saying names, like A good example

(46:10):
is I remember walking with somebody downtown and it was
somebody who's very level headed, very balanced, also out and
this man was like yelling with you know, like the
God signs and stuff, and we walked by and they
said something about being abomination if you're gay and all
this stuff. And I watched this very sane, wonderful person
just turn around and just flip out and like yell

(46:32):
at them, and like I'm like, well, well, like I
had even kind of like pull them back, like we
it's fine, Like they can't do anything to you, like
let it go.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Me not having experienced trauma coming out. They came from
a very intense background where they lost the respect of
their family when they came out. So when they hear that,
they see people they love yelling at them, which yeah,

(47:02):
getting kind of emotional about It's like that's trauma response.
And that's what I try to explain to people about
what pride is and why it matters to have diversity
and representation. It's because it's not because it's for you,
Like you can just not choose to watch that. But
like that's why I've I had been asked to change
the pronouns of my songs to you instead of she.

(47:26):
I've been asked to do that by people that are
in the community older than me because they're like if
you want to succeed, that might be what you have
to do, and you can still be open with your
wife and that can.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Still reach people you're maybe that's true.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And I'm gonna tell you, Caroline, I know people that
have made that decision that are big that people don't
know are out or.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Can't be out. And I didn't want to live that way.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
And luckily, because I came from outside the industry instead
of like starting in Nashville, I built my fan base
outside Nasville and then moved to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
I felt comfortable to do that.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Also, I had a really beautiful moment where I wanted
to get my my this song I wrote for MRSA
called Leave California to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I wanted to get it on CMT and.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So I like just emailed Leslie fram because I'm like,
I was stupid back then. I was like, that's of course,
that's what you do. So I emailed Leslie Fran and
I was like, I'd like to get this video.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Ahead of Same Tea. What was the head of Same Tea?
And she writes me back and she says, Okay, come
to my office basically, and I'm like, okay, cool, and
in my men. I don't even know this is a
big deal.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
So I go to like the head of SMT's office
and I and I give him my thumb drive and
I show her the video and uh, she watches it
twice and she said, and it talks about my girlfriend
moving to Nashville. So it's like very open and she's like, yeah,
we'll put this on. And I think about that back now,
and I'm like, if she had said something in that

(48:39):
moment to say like I don't think we can do that,
my approach to Nashville probably would have changed dramatically. And
it's and it's so important because I've heard the phrase
is like black people don't like country music. I've heard
that spoken by people that I know and respect, and
it's like it's important to have somebody there so that

(49:00):
it's not we don't have to say like, well that
doesn't work. It's like, well one, you know, one percent
of all artists work, so like maybe we just need
to see it more and find the person that breaks through.
I mean, chapelone is a great example. Like I think
a lot of people would have said what she does,
what she's doing isn't going to work. I mean, her
main look is camo and she's like mostly a pop artist,
and it's like I could see a lot of people saying,
I don't think this is going to.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Work, and it didn't just work.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
It's she's probably one of the highest consumed artists of
all time right now. So it's like the line between
crazy and obvious. It's it's so small, it's the only
it's just takes one person doing it.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
One person. I mean, that's bassiito.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Do you remember that Yes won Best Song and it
was it was a Spanish song, and it's like nobody
thought that was ever gonna happen. And then once that happened,
all of a sudden, I got calls like, hey, can
you translate this country song with Spanish and stuff. Tim
mcgrass all of a sudden putting out a song in Spanish,
and it's, uh, it takes one person to do it,
and then everyone.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Want a person to do it.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I mean, nobody was signing big bearded country boy until
Luke comes mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
No one was doing it now.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
It was a pretty boy six pack job. And then
Luke Combs said like this some ro country. Yeah, and
that was what the trend was and it took him
to and then there was a bunch of like I
don't want to say copycats, with a lot of people
that followed him and were able to be themselves instead
of trying to, I don't know, be or look like
something else.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
And those things matter, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I mean, we need people, all bodies, all sizes because
it lets us accept ourselves.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
And that's what art is supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
And when it doesn't do that, that's when you're veering
off the authenticity plane, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
And I believe that all art, like you were saying,
it is like from a higher calling, Like we are
given these gifts.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Everyone has a gift.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Not everyone is an entertainer, not everyone is an artist,
but like everyone has a gift. And when you were
an artist, and when you're given the voice, the gift
of song, or the gift of like music and being
able to write or whatever, it's like, that's your God
given talent, that's your gift from that's your spiritual gift.
And it's like nobody can tell you how that's supposed
to be presented, you know, because you are the only

(51:00):
author of your soul who knows what you're being called
to do. Because it literally, don't you feel like a
gift like calls you like you can't outrun it, like
you're singing, like you probably can't like avoid it. It's
calling to you all the time, Like your voice is
like saying I need to sing, I need to write.
Like if you're not naturally called to do that, you
probably wouldn't pursue it.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
You know, Yeah, I think I think you're just right
on the money with that.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Like it's like one of my favorite books I read.
It's called The Art of Asking, and it was it
was written by a musician that like kind of explains
like you don't if you're going to ask for somebody
to do something, do it from a place of like
I love this art and I wanted to see the world,
not like I'm so sorry to ask this, but can
you like like be like come from it from why
you're excited about it. And it's such a different thing
to do as an artist because as we're early on,

(51:46):
we're like we're just so scared to take out space
and it's like no, you try to fit in.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
You're creating lead with that. Even if they don't like it,
just say hey, I really like this.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think other people will like it, will you do
me the like would you? I would appreciate it if
you pre saved this, Like when you're early on, you
have to ask your friends individually do it, you know.
And something she says in that is like, the best
nights are on stage are when like sometimes you'll feel
like you're kind of pushing trying to get the audience
into you, and sometimes the audience is kind of lifting
you up. And the best nights on stage is when
you can't tell who's doing the take in, who's doing

(52:15):
the giving.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
It's like this line gets totally blurred if you're breathing together.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah. Yeah, And it takes like a community to do that,
to really trust the people in front of you so
that you don't feel like you've jump up and down crazy.
That's only when you entertain them, you know. I remember
seeing that it was a Dell at the Royal Albert Hall.
I don't know if you've ever seen it, but it's
one of my favorite live shows I've ever watched. And
there's one part where she just takes off her heels
and she makes the band start over, and I'm just riveted,

(52:40):
and I'm like, we're just there with her every step
and she doesn't. I mean, I love Pink, but she
doesn't like go through the air on ribbons like I
thought I had to the way Pink dud it. That's
the only way you can entertain people. She stands there,
she sings a song. It just sings it from her
heart and I could watch that over and over again,
and it's like it takes those nights and community building,
and that's why we do all the work, is to

(53:00):
have that moment where everybody's kind of synked and you
feel like your shoulders drop and you're just there for
the music.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yes, but I.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Do believe everybody who is who is this artist does
it in their own way because like I agree, like
I'm never going to be an acrobat going through the crowd,
but like Pink, that's however, but she feels cold, you know,
like her body is so strong and she loves to
move in that way and that's part of the way
she expresses herself, whereas adel like she feels cold.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
It's but it's like.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
That's the thing that I feel like is changing the
music industry now and I'm grateful for it, is that
we are realizing the industry used to have such a
grip on who the stars could be. But now with
like social media and people coming out on their own
and being able to be their own like label in
a way, put their own music out and be consumed
and not have to have like a suit.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
To get them heard.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
It's like you really can truly be the artist that
you are supposed to be, not trying to fit into
a mold. Whereas there used to be only a limited
number of spots and you had to look a way,
be a certain way, or else people weren't going to
give you a shot because it was all fear based
and trying to make you into something that they thought
would work, where now it's like, Okay, people are being themselves,
putting out there, and we're letting the people realize like

(54:11):
what they're drawn to, and like you find your people.
You don't have to appeal to every single person in
the world, but the people who connect with you can
find you.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
You know, And somebody that owns one hundred percent of
their stuff is doing better like me, top forty or
even top one hundred is making more money than somebody's
in the top five if they haven't recouped yet.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
So it's like what's the trade off?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah, And the cool thing is brand partnerships are so
much bigger now because we have access to creating our
own communities and then that becomes valuable brands. So like
now I don't have to make all the money off
touring if I could have a brand sponsor that's covering
the bus or covering the trailer, you know, covering the hotels.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
And I always say hotels like that.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Hope it is, but yeah, it's definitely a different world.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Have you liked it all? Yeah, like like the journey
of you're able to do all this? Yeah, and he
liked this journey You've chosen because it's just a wild
West out there. I'm gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Some days I just have I have a lot of
anxiety and some days, like I journal. One of my
favorite things to do is the Artist's Way.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
You heard of that?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
So the artist Way is this thing that a lot
of like lifetime songwriters have talked about if you have
like any kind of like block in your writing, and
basically you don't have to read the whole book, but
it just tells you to do like these two things.
And it's every day you journal three pages And I
never journaled before this, I thought it was super annoying
because I was like, I want to write something good

(55:35):
and that takes time. This is like stream of consciousness.
So if you start by saying I hate this, just
write that ten times until you think of have another thought,
like I really gotta do langer day, I gotta go
to gym, feel annoyed because I haven't gone to the
gym this week, And you just write it all down,
and the idea is it kind of siphons off that
top layer of gibberish on your brain. Just your mind
allows you to think of deep thoughts because once you
like and what I realized was is I did it.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I was like, I'm kind of negative. You saw yourself talk.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I just saw how much I was like, it's almost
always getting to the gym. I'm not doing enough for
my career and I am so I'm not like doing enough,
you know, and uh so much. Frances, I saw that
those three things dominated almost all of my what I
would call like in between thoughts. So she consumes probably
the majority of your mind, right, And I would say
majority of people like finances and career stress and career

(56:22):
stress could be like ninety percent of your thoughts, but
it's like they're not helpful thoughts.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
If you're just so yelling at yourself, you know, you're
just beating yourself down.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah, and you're keeping your energy a little bit negative
instead of like because I really believe in like energy
and vibration and so like when you're in your hand.
I did not even know my self talk. I wasn't
even aware of self talk until my leg.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Is very It's the negativity I think is even worse
in our culture.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I also to see a lot of guys like really
fret about whether what they're going to look like in
a bathing suit, you know, like I don't see them.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I mean, I'm sure they do, and I don't want
to disqualify that.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
But I think in women, I know more women with
eating disorders and I do menm hmm. Like I would
say solid half of my friends at some point of
having to needing disorder. And it's like that's crazy, that's insane,
And that's that comes from that spiral that we don't
feel like we can share with people because it doesn't
go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
It just kind of sits in a circle.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yea. And until you reorganize that belief that's that's going
to run your life unconsciously, you.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Know, because all it is is basically saying I am
not worthy and I am not worthy because I don't
have my finances right, because my body is not right,
I don't have my career or I'm supposed to be.
I am not doing enough, so I am not worthy.
And that's what I Finally I heard a life coach
from I was thirty eight years old, because it's like,
I've got to figure out why the fuck I feel
this way? Because I know I'm worthy, I know that

(57:42):
I deserve like wonderful things, and like, why is my
self talk so negative?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
And like so it's really scary when you start to
see it because I did not know. I did not
know I was that negative.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Really, I think so many people are not aware of
their self talk because they're outwardly they're doing all these
things to improve themselves, but inwardly they're beating themselves up.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
So what did you do to kind of help get
it get yourself out of that spiral?

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Well, it started when I had my daughter, because I
was like when she was born.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
It's just like not a thing, like all right, after
you have a baby, it's like an away postpartum.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I was like an emotional wreck.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
But then I was also like no, I started my
journey to like clearing this up. I was like, I
am going to fix this because I was like, I cannot.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
My number one thing.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Is I want her to feel proud and confident of herself,
and I want to be able to teach that to
her honestly, And if I can't feel that way about myself,
then like, how will I ever be able to teach
her that? You know?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:34):
And so I went on a massive journey to figure
out what is my core reason for why I don't
think I'm worthy?

Speaker 1 (58:39):
And I don't really know what was the final click.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Well, I finally realized I was a high functioning codependent,
which meant I was just trying to make every single
person in the world love me so that I could
feel validated that I was worthy because everyone liked me.
I think a lot of artists would relate to that.
And if everyone likes me, then I have value And
so I just work my ass off to make sure
everyone thought I was great.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
But you never really ask yourself what you like or
what you want or what makes you happy and joyful.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I would just read the room and like whoever I
was with, I would figure, I'm so good at like
reading people and understanding what they need, and like I'm
so empathetic that I can feel people's energy and I'm like, oh,
I just need to give them this version of me
to make them happy so they can love me. And
then ultimately, when I had a daughter, I was like,
I kepm not doing this anymore. I'm not draining myself
for other people. And so I kind of just started

(59:37):
a deeper journey. And now I feel like I don't
even I'm like, don't even have friends anymore? You have
so many friends, And I'm like, do I even have
any friends? Because I don't.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I don't try to make people love me anymore.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
It's like you're either, like you said, you either like
they kind of fade off and you're like by family,
or they're like your core family.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
And at this point, I'm like, to make good friends.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
It takes years, and it's hard as an adult. Yeah,
especially if you move from the city you grew up in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah, it's really hard, difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
That kind of as perfectly goes into the second part
of Artists Way, which is my favorite part. It's once
a week you have to do one thing by yourself,
and it has to be something that just like you genuinely,
just like something in your heart draws to it. So
like if you go to the dollar store and picking
out five things, which I used to love to do
as I was a kid at that because there's one
right next to my gym, and I was like, I'm

(01:00:26):
not a dollar that's gonna be my artist's way today.
And I went over there and I bought these little things,
and uh, during that trip, there was a little little
like kid plane that you could put together and think
that'll be fun. And I put it together and then
I was like, man, I always really wanted to fly.
And I've been a mechanic most of my life, like
you know, that's what was always my side job. And
I ended up taking my first flight lesson meeting the
guy who maintains all the planes, and now in my

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free time that brings me up so much joy. We
actually do to like go and help out at the
shop that's in Springfield and then and I also help
with plane recovery, so single engine planes that go down,
and I get to operate heavy equipment and like I
feel like a little kid every single time I do
any of those.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Uh so, what is that called in the artist's way?
That second part, Yeah, it's just it's just the an
artist date, like doing something called an artist date.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
So like anything that you're like, you know what i'd
really love to do today, I'd love to go outside
and shoot the basketball in my front yard for like
ten minutes. And it doesn't have to be and sometimes
like I went to a Morgan Wade concert by myself
that I really loved at the Rhyman, I just sat
there and enjoyed the entire thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
And going to a movie by yourself, the only rule
is it's by yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Because like you said, it's so easy to be like, well, okay,
if you don't want to do that, I won't do it.
And the whole idea is discovering what actually charges your joy,
like you love yeah, and you're doing it, And how.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Many times have you asked yourself that question?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Well? I found mine and it's hot yoga, and so
oh I love it. I have to go to hot yoga.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Like if I don't, that's why you stopped having friends.
They're like hang out with you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
I go to hot yoga though, but I will just
cry because I will go through my whole life like
I kind of do it as like an audit for myself.
I'll go like a few times a week and like
I just kind of like wherever the last time I
went to yoga, like all the life that happened in between.
I'll just kind of go through my whole life, and
I'll figure out what kind of the sticky areas, what
kind of made me feel weird?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Where were things great.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Sometimes I'll deep dive into someone like close to me,
like a family member or a close friend, and I'll
like go back in my mind to the beginning of
their life in childhood, and I'll try to like figure
out what made them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
The way they were and like try to understand them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
It's just like where I do this like deep, deep,
deep analyzing of my life and all those around me
while you're just sweating everything else, sweating everything out, and
like my body's talking to me and it's telling me
where it's stiff and where it needs to get stress.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
It is it is healed. Where do you go? I
go to core power? Uh, core power. Rent would shout.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Out core power, but like I had a lot of miscarriages,
and that is where I like grieved them and released
them and like healed it because like I was able
just to like communicate with my body so much and
like communicate with my spirit at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
And I mean, so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I am all about the artist's way finding something for yourself,
just to connect with yourself, to free yourself, to release
what's like inside of you that's like burdening you, to
remind yourself that you are magical and like connected to
something bigger, and just to feel that you can't forget
to feel the magic even if you're in dark times,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Well, yeah, I mean that's grief is like a pause
button in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Speaking of grief, I want to talk about your song Mars, Yeah,
Redored on Mars, because that's about grief, it is, Yeah,
And it's kind of like this feeling of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Wanting to be in a place that's familiar, but like
also wanting to be so far away from everything and
be in your bubble. And it's like this weird dichotomy
that we have as humans that like when we experience
some things so intense that we can't really talk about,
it's like you're I feel like it almost splits your body,
like half of you is here, the other half is

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dissociated it somewhere else, And like the idea is like
maybe if you can get far enough away, it'll go away.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
You can just like process. You just want everything just
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
And it's like, it was really beautiful writing it in
the room because we all were sharing stories and it
just kind of all came out, and it's amazing to
see people putting their own stories into it that are
like it makes us feel like we kind of that's
the beauty of writing. When you really write something, well,
the details don't matter, it's the feeling, just freaking it

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just connects and it makes me feel less alone as
well as everybody in that room less alone to know
so many people have connected with that song.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
So Red Dirt on Mars, You would think it's kind
of like a heartbreak song. Why is it about grief?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
So it's the whole song doesn't really talk necessarily about
the person as much as the way you feel because
that person's not there anymore. So like I wouldn't call
it a heartbreak song because you're not really talking about
how much you missed the relationship. It's more that you're
alone and that thing you had you can't replace, and

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you lost something, and so the whole song is just
about losing something that you know you'll never get back.
It's not about trying to get it back. It's not
about being better tomorrow. It's not about getting back on
the horse or drinking. I have those songs too, but
this is a song. I think a lot of times,
early on in my life, I always wanted to rap
songs up on a bow, like I had a hard
time and this is how I dealt with it, and
now I'm over it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
And now we've got our happinessing or I've moved on
or given you the middle finger and I don't care. Yeah,
but this is like I am stuck in the pain,
and this pain will always be here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
And it's almost an acceptance of the pain.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
And that's that's where I think it's such an important
part of grief to just be like, this is where
I am right now, Because the more you're like, it's
this shame spiral man of like I should be over
this now, or I should I should be doing more today,
I should be That's shame spiral is so dangerous, especially
when you're in experiencing a lot of pain, and I
think like when you allow yourself and forgive yourself for

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feeling the way you feel, Wow, that's so powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
At least it was for me. So what is grief
to you? Grief to me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Is I this an Edge Sharon song that I love.
That's like a heart that's been broke is a heart
that's been loved. And it's like, I love that quote
so much because it's like nothing in this world is
anything we can like, anything good is something we can grip.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Can't hold it tightly if I remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Yeah, I did a songwriting camp with these little kids once.
My mom used to work for elementary school, and uh,
we were talking about our feelings and I noticed that
every negative feeling I learned this from these little kids,
every negative feeling happened yesterday or tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
All the good feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Happen now, but we can't can't save them for tomorrow,
and we can't throw them back to yesterday. So it's like,
all the good feelings happen right now. Why am I
spending all my time in yesterday and tomorrow? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
It's so hard not to, and that's why we have
depression and anxiety forces us into yesterday because we like,
we don't want to let go, and we're worried if
we let go that that thing we had will change
into something else, we'll forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
And it's so scary. But sometimes you just got to
like let the river flow, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Oh, is so hard.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I feeling it is so hard. Half the time I
wake up, I'm like, what in the world is happening?
This moving rock in the middle of space? And wait,
I just feel like you have to keep running, like
you can like drinking green juice, because it's supposed to
be good for me. Why am I? Like, you know,
it just all becomes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
So you have to keep going, and you have to
stay motivated, and you have to work on yourself talk,
and you have to work on your spirit ualuting, you
have to work on your inner voice, and you have
to work on your gift.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
And you have a bad day and you're like, oh,
it's all for nothing, that you're not even balanced right now,
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
And then, like you said earlier, it's like if you
had being an artist too, if you had the the
if you were sure that if you just kept doing
this you will reach the goal of making your millions
and having your success.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
You wouldn't it be easy, but you're doing it all
and it still could wait but night and be like,
am I doing the right thing? I think that's the
hardest part of being entrepreneur tours, Like people think entrepreneurs
like staying up late and getting everything done, and it's like, no,
it's the fact that every day you have to do
and not only do you have to choose it, we
have to believe that that's exactly what you have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Blindly to get there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah, blindly you're believing because something inside of you tells
you that it could work, and that's what you're guiding.
Light inside of you says to go for but you
have no proof, you have no roadmap, and you have
no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And my favor will work out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
In music, it's like everybody's like, well, you just have
to do it like this. And my favorite part is,
like I always quote this. It's like, hey man, I
just need you to be yourself. Oh but don't do that,
Like it's like always like the idactly it is saying Yeah.
It's like and it doesn't matter where if it unless
you're the artist, you will do that because that's your job.
Like you're going to be like, just be yourself, just
be yourself. Oh maybe don't do that, you know, and

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that's it's your job. But also as artists it's maddening.
It's maddening because you go and do the risk and
you do like what they say, and like then it
ruins everything. Yeah. I've had people say like, yeah, I
wouldn't have done that, and it's like, oh, yeah, you
couldn't tell me that while I was doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
So it's like that's that's I think, part of the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
But it ultimately, I feel like ultimately as an artist,
after you've gone through the ringer long enough, like kind
of what we're talking about in the beginning, you get
to the point where you realize you finally know who
you are. You finally know you've tried things that you
didn't like, that didn't feel authentic, you've tried things that did.
You've done the whole gamut, and finally you get to
a point if you really are going to hang in
there as an artist and like do this because this

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is what you're born to do. Yeah, you finally commit
to like I'm doing it my way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Well, you learn the cross that you're willing to Die
on and I feel like, that is this album that
you just put out? Yeah, so like the way I
thought of it, called Angie K might as well be
just like a statement of who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
If somebody came and said, don't put out Red in
on Mars, I don't think it's going to be any
good Red Dirt al March. In my mind, I'm like, yeah,
Like if somebody told me that I know that, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
You could be right, But if you were right, I
would be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
More upset with myself for not trying it than I
would if it tried and failed. And how do they
hang my head on that song failing or whatever, just
not doing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Well or whatever, But how does anyone know? They don't?
But like people's job orris to tell you is to
tell you what they think.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
So to me, I'm like, when you know, like I said,
I got asked changes that pronounce to that song, I
was like, I'd rather make ten good friends and people
that come to my shows till I'm sixty because of
that song the way that it's written, then make a
million fans and have people screaming the lyrics of people

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that I'm afraid if they knew who they.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
I was that I would be dropped by them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Oh, but that takes age, and so that's why I
have so much empathy for Like, Averanna is so young.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Have you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
She's this young, sweet blonde girl that has these such
intense emotional songs, and I like, she's so young. She's
like in her teens when she got discovered by David Fanning,
who's also Pamelice manager. And I want to say she's
probably above that now, but it's like I couldn't even
drink alcohol and has all this fame, and I'm like,
she handles it so well, and I'm like, man, I
would have been a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I would have been a mess. Absolutely. Oh me too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
I don't feel my head gone on a straight till
hern like forty honestly, and it's still just now leveling up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
It's taking me half my life.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Like these kids who are young, I'm like, how God
bless you, watch over you, keep you safe because you
are entering such a blender.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I mean, imagine if we had to go to high
school with We were probably the last generation that like
actually got a little bit of both, you know, we
got like real childhood, not real childhood.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
But before everything was documented.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Before we were able to compare ourselves to people all
over the world, all the time, all over the world.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
So tell me about Angie k this album, Why this
is so important to you, and like what this album
means to you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Yeah, this is this record. I did it with Stephanie Smith,
who was out in the nineties. If you can believe it,
she wrote a It's your Son into by yourself, by
the way. But she's a world class songwriter and I
remember the first meeting I had with her. I had
hundreds and hundred of songs I sent her and she
was like, I feel like I feel like you play
here in this one column, and I feel like you
live here in this other column. And she listed the

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songs in the columns and I was like, Yeah, I
want to write the record, I want to live in
I want to build that house.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
And when I got dropped by Keith, it felt like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
I went to social media and I did very well
there because I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Really, you're really popping off, Yeah, and why do you
feel that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I just I'm a people person. I know what I
would want to watch and I know how to make that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
So I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
And I could write I can write anything, like not
to be like cocky, but like I can sit in
a room and be like, I'm going to write this
really catchy kind of popish country song. Even though that
wasn't necessarily me. I'm like, oh, but this is sick,
this is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
And I enjoy still writing different genres. I just do
that for different people now instead of for myself. And
I would write these songs that did really well and
I enjoyed them but weren't necessarily something I was thinking about,
is this the message I want to put in the world?

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Is this my purpose?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
And when you don't have a purpose behind your music,
like I was saying before, then when it doesn't work,
you feel like you gave a piece of your soul
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
And it didn't work. Yeah, it's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
And then it's like but and it didn't work, and
then you're like, man, is it even worth it at all?

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
So yeah, it's like it's like finding that joy and
it's like if somebody connected with this song, it would
give me more joy because if somebody give me a
song like I would need a hundred people to connect
with this song for it to even feel like one
person connecting to this song.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Every song on Angie K is that for you? Yeah?
And it's the slow ass song. I mean, there's a
song called death of Me on this I don't know, Yeah,
talk about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
That one is like, it's really kind of about that
crossroads in your relationship where you're just like, it doesn't
matter if you've been a relationship, married forever or like
in a long relationship, at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
You've been to this place where you have to decide
am I gonna say? Am I gonna go? And it's
it is a death and it does.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
It feels like the word that was spoken in the
writing room that day was I know I'll never leave,
And I was like, what a space to be in,
and how many people are in that space? Don't talk
about it, don't have people to talk about because they can't.
You don't want to talk bad about your partner. Most
a lot of people keep that so private and close
to themselves. And we're talking like I've heard people reach

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out to me that were like about abusive situations. They
have such a hard time leaving because that person is
a good person. But they're doing bad things, and it's like,
that's what that song's about. Is that being in that
crossroads and accepting, like I said, we don't we're throwing
the bow away for this record. So it's like good,
it's accepting the fact.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
That Bo's out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Kick him out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
I'm done with both.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
It's like, look, I know that this is killing me,
but I can't leave this person, so I'm gonna die.
So it's like I'm accepting that, like this could be
the death of me, and this is just how I'm
gonna end.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
And it's like, so you're not, like you said, You're
not trying to wrap it up with a bow.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
You're only having some of the real life stories that
don't end in a fairy tale.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
And if I'm being really honest, I think a big
place that I wrote this song out of was this
industry because it was getting dropped was so hard emotionally, Like,
and I'm sure you've been through it because I know
your your husband has been through those highs and lows too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah. Every day we're like, why are we doing this industry? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
You know, but in a podcast, say that he thinks
about quitting the music industry, one of the biggest producer
songwriters in the world, and that felt so validating because
it's like the thing is, we don't just go in
and we do our little cubicle of work and leave.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
It's like I people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Read my journal entries like and they say this sucks,
you know, So it's like that is really hard and
it's and it's even harder when you realize, like I said,
like no one can earn it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
It's all it's all just a little bit of luck.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
And and uh, I mean there's so many people that
I think are more talented than I'll ever be that
there music just it's not right place right time, you know. Uh,
Britney Spencer I think should be one of the biggest
artists of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Everyone will get their day, I really do. And I
was uh rod Essek who used to be it's time
for you, if it's meant for you, if you're walking
and energy, I believe you you will find what's meant
for you. Agreed if you Rod Esch he was the
head of set. That's why we're still here, Yes, because
because we our belief is still there and we've we
keep clearing out the things that aren't real. That's right,

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because if you if you get piled up with things
that aren't real and you try to make that your
identity and then you try to build a career on that,
it's going to kill you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
And I think that you it will kill you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
It will kill you if you've built your whole career
off of trying to be what everyone says you can be,
or like trying to make yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Into this image that's not real.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Even if you do get success, like you're talking about
if you have changed the lyrics to the pronouns, if
you would have had success, you would be eaten up
inside every night because that's not what you want to see.
It's not real to you. And you don't want it
just for the fame, like you want all the glory,
but like it's not worth it just for the fame
because the fame is so fleeting, and if you're not,
if you're gonna have that moment and it's not true

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to you, then I think it will kill you. And
so like ultimately, rod Esa, head of CIA, said this,
he's like everyone who is truly like a true artist.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
He told me this a long time I ago. He said,
they will make it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
They will have their day in some form or fashion eventually,
because if you're a true artist and you don't quit,
and you keep clearing out the garbage that keeps getting
put on you, and you keep saying true, eventually, you're
gonna resonate and you're gonna connect like you have to.
It's like a It's like a it has to be
like some sort of scientific law.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Yeah, I mean I believe in the law of attraction. Yeah,
like you know which.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
It basically says like you if you're in the same
this is the verbiage they use, like if you're in
the same vibration as the things that you want, it
will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
You'll bump into a diventsion.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
And I'll tell you this past year has felt like
walking around and just hitting my head on opportunities. But
it's felt the easiest besides of occasional anxiety attacks. When
I'm truly in a good place, things just flow in
in ways like I like. The anxiet attacks are more
from not working as hard like I have, Like I
said that chip on my shoulder of like I'm gonna
work harder than everyone. That's why I'm gonna earn it,

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and that's very kind of our parents' culture is like
you earn everything and earning and earning earning, and it's
like when you live in that world, it's very difficult
to be community driven because you don't feel like anyone
else has earned it because you're working harder. So it's like, yeah,
I think that once I started pulling back and letting
go the grip of the steering wheel and like enjoying
the moments, and I'd made better decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
It's kind of like I think you're doing it for love. Yeah,
and I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
I tell kids all the time when I do the
songwriting workshops, I'm like, the reason art is important is
because when you don't take a break from your mind,
all the problems feel this close and you can't navigate
when you have a wall in front of you. But
when you're able to step back and see what it
looks like, you can move through that maze because.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
You're above it instead of in it. And like that's
what I'd say art does.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
And we the problem is our art has suddenly become
combined with our industry, so like we're using both sides
of our brain. So like when that's why sometimes I'll
set up rights and be like, look, this is a song.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
I don't want to cut this song. I just want
to write.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
And sometimes that's where Red Donald Mars comes from, That's
where Death of Me comes from. And it turns out
that that's exactly what I need to be writing all along.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
I love that the whole point of this is really
just getting back to the truth of who we are,
isn't it, and being brave enough and bold enough and
aware enough to commit to it. Yeah, like you said,
you have to get you have to have an brave
enough and brave enough. You have to lived enough. You
have to be brave enough, like you have to go
through some stuff even know who it is that you
want to be. Yeah, Because like life just puts so
much on us.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
We're so layered up.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
I feel like it's like, I don't know if you
ever saw that Friend's episode where like Joey had on
like a million pieces of clothing, and I feel like
that's life. It's just like sometimes you're just layered up
with like sweaters and jackets and clothes and it's all
people shit that's not yours, and it's life that's just
put stuff on you, and its circumstances that you don't
really need to carry around or make your identity, but
yet they're honest and we don't even realize that they're honest.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
And so it's like being an artist.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Ultimately, I feel like it's just stripping all that off
and getting to the core of like who am I,
what am I trying to say, and then putting it
out there to the world so other people can remember
who they are as well, and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Taking our lived experiences and making people that where we
felt alone, they feel connected. So a good example is, like,
you've been through so much as a mother, like in
the ways I would never be able to understand that
when if you saw a woman struggle somewhere in a
way that you remembered struggling and nobody helped you, oh,

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you would immediately be like, hey, I get what you're
going through.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
It's okay, and they might start crying or like you
know those moments and know you're not alone.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
You just left the grocery store wherever you were feeling
like a little more purpose is in your life and
the world isn't as scary of a place because you're
able to give.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Something that you weren't able to get yeah, and it's
like that's what art is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
It's about taking our lived experiences and like that Death
of Me song was so intense and then people saying
they didn't have anyone to talk to about that, and
like hearing those words suddenly soothed them, and it's like,
maybe that pain can be this beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
And that's what art does.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
It turns that pain into something beautiful that makes us
feel more together. I mean, think about all the things
that you've been through in the way you're able to
be there for people in ways you couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Before you went through those things. Totally. Yeah, totally, and
they're not all the alternative that is us being very
bitter people. So you know, it's it is a very
fine line. That's why all the people here creative, phil
little schizophrenical.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
It's like I think I'm actually insane, but I'm gonna
go with it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Yeah. Something I've done with my manager is I'm like, hey,
if I start to feel like kind of frantic or
like even a little spicy, just use the word I'm balanced, balance,
and then I get like this trigger in my brain.
I'm like, Okay, I'm not responding from a place that
I need to be responding from and I could take
a break and be like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I love that you're so aware of your mental health.
That's so amazing, Angie. Yeah, we got to be because
you have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
To be when you've done a lot of things, felt
a lot of things. Things get in the way. Sometimes
you got to navigate it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
I think it's the most important thing anyone can do
for their career. Yeah, okay, Well we're just sitting here
chalking rom with it an hour and a half, So Angie,
I'm going to wrap up. Even though I just love
chatting with you, flew by it, I want to make
sure we covered everything. So angiek is out any touring
coming up that people need to know about?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
What do people need to.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Give us all the details of how to like follow
along with you, stay connected with you, like go to shows,
hear music.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Yeah, I'm official anjik on everything two f's. I only
say that because in Spanish it's one F but official
official two f's on official Official in Spanish is one
f oh okay, but yeah, officially ajik on all platforms
and officially. Educate dot com is my website and I
got Country Thunders coming up. Tortuga uh Nebraska Land days.

(01:22:04):
We're doing a bunch of festivals this summer and I'd
love to see you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
And then everyone just go get your music online. Guess please,
it's going to I got a wedding to pay for.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
When is the wedding? I think we're in New September.
Heck you where it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
There's a really cool venue down in Normandy, Tennessee. It's
like hour and some change from here, and they let
you stay. It's like a whole campground area and you
can stay there the day before the day after, so
like we can bring kind of because Merses for her
friends are from California, so we want to like a
proper country wedding.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
So that's the plan.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Well, congratulations on all your abundance and your success and
just stepping into your true like humanness, like who you
really are with this music, with your marriage coming up
with just like the artists that you are, the person
that you are.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Congratulations on just being a badass. Angie. Well man, I
want to come back tomorrow. This is pretty great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
We could just chat for days.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
We could, we could, And I want to wrap up
by saying your voice is freaking insane. Oh wow, you
have such a cool voice, Like it is a you
unique voice, because like when you start, it's like, oh,
that's a cool voice, and then you get into like
the notes with the rasp and like your sound, and
I'm like, oh my god, I've never heard another.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Voice like it. Literally, thank you. I actually was really
bad at like choir and stuff. I never got solos
because my voice is so low. It actually had me
as tenor sometimes because we didn't have enough voice. So like,
I appreciate you saying that because you know, sometimes you're
just in the wrong place and you're actually.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Your voice is cool as shit. It is so unique,
Like it is such a cool voice.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Thank you. It is awesome, and you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
Got to range and it's just like, man, you have
a lot of talented friends. I appreciate you saying that
you have Like I've never heard a voice like yours.
I'm like, man, Angie, your voice is awesome, thank you,
it is so awesome. I always wrap up with leave
your light. It's open ended. What do you want people
to know? Drop some inspiration, leave your light.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I would say, close your eye eyes and think of
something silly that you wanted to do and do it
this week and it doesn't matter if it takes ten
minutes or it's a concert or something, but you'd be
shocked at how how much that helps your mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much for joining.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
And I can't wait to watch you out there on
the road tearing it up and just watching your life
and seeing all your good glory happen, because it's amazing
to see.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
This is probably the most in depth interview I've ever done.
I actually this is going to be great.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Now and anybody asks like, what's the whole what's your
whole story, I'm like, I'm gonna stay here this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
You know, That's what I like to do. I want
someone's entire story. It really feels like I talked about
things I haven't talked about in a lot of podcasts.
This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
I'm so happy because like sometimes I feel like, is
this Like does everyone do these podcasts? Because it's like
I'm just going through someone's life. But like, my whole
thing is I want to hear your whole life. I
want to know how you got.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Here, to know why I cut my fingernails. I did
not have any idea. That's why you cut.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Your finger nails, but I am glad to know and
way to keep it trim.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Great anytime, anytime, and you, thank you so much, Thank you.
Ternis to fund

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
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