04-18-25 FULL SHOW - The Medicaid Grift, And The Future Of Ranked Choice Voting

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Mandy Connell Show is sponsored by Bell and Pollock
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
No, it's Mandy Connell.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
And Dona.

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who is sad day.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to a Friday edition of the show altogether.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Now please.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Ross over into the Mandy verse.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
I am your host for the next three hours and
joining me my friend Roz Kaminski, who will be here
for about half an hour before he braves the roads
going back to Denver. We are in winter Park at
the beautiful Mighty Millions Raffles Show Home.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
It is going to be awarded to someone who.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Buys a ticket, and if you're thinking about buying a ticket,
make today the day you do it, because it is
the early bird deadline. And that means that someone that
enters by midnight tonight is going to win a trip
to Switzerland, which I highly recommend, or an out and
an out et Q six and some money or just
one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. But you got

(01:28):
to buy your ticket by tonight to get into that contest.
And for the text you who asked earlier, if you
win tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
Yes, you can still win.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
The show home, but people will literally want to like
rub your body before they buy a lottery ticket if
you're that lucky.

Speaker 7 (01:42):
Thanks for saying, Ross, I just want you to know this, listener,
text Mandy, the people on Forensic Files usually get caught
because of the large life insurance policy they take out
on the victim.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Well, I'll have a really valid reason for it. It
won't just be like Willy Nilly, I'm taking a life
insurance policy out on Ross. And I'm probably not going
to do that just to get the time slot. I'm
just saying anyway, that that was a rossover from the
Mandy Versus throwback right there. You know, you had to
watch the whole series in order to understand that one.
So we were playing ask us anything, and I'm gonna

(02:13):
do the blog at twelve thirty so and then we'll
jump into kind of a normal show.

Speaker 6 (02:18):
But we started this on Ross's.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Show, and you can text us and ask us anything,
but make it a question that both of us can answer. Okay,
So we we've got some really good ones actually, and
several people asking some version of this. Ross. Hi, Mandy
and Ross, would you ever consenter a joint adventure trip
and where would it go? Yes to the first part, Yeah,

(02:41):
that would be really super fun.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
I just did one with a guy our Christmas market, Screwis.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
We did with Winter Bowl from WBT in North Carolina,
and we had the best time with that guy.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
I mean, so much fun. And it's just fun to.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Talk to talk show hosts in other parts of the market,
you know, other parts of the country, because as as
weird as this job is, there are so many consistencies
from market to market, you know.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
And also are we all get along when and I
mean including our spouses. Yea, like Chuck is awesome, and
I think Kristen's pretty good, and we all and we
all get along.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
We all get.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Along really well. So I'd love to travel with Mandy
and listeners.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
I think that'd be supercent.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Where were to go, I don't know, but maybe we'll
maybe we'll talk about that one day.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
All right, here's one ross.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Would you consider co hosting a Colorado gubernatorial debate next
year for Republican candidates? I would love to host one
for Democratic candidates as well. I mean, I would love
to have as many things like that as we could
possibly do. The problem is is getting candidates to commit
and that that is that is the issue. And I'm
not necessarily saying they're wrong or bad, but ultimately they

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do like fifty of these things right, and so you
kind of get weary of it and and they get
kind of choosy.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
So there are also some politicians who want to do
just enough debates so that nobody can say he's afraid
to debate, and they don't want to do any more
than that, and so often like for that first one
or that only one, they'll do it on TV, and
then you want to get them on the radio. And
you know, if someone were a really strong candidate, they
didn't want to be out there as much as possible, everywhere,

(04:16):
hitting everybody. But there are some who just know they're
not very good, so they just sorry, excuse me.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
So that's our Joe Biden Cliff that we're going to
have till the end of time. Please, Anthony, if you
could one more time, please, that's not edited ross, that's
not editing.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's amazing. You know, it's crazy. I probably did want
to debate.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Oh yeah, his staffers didn't want to, but her I
love this question. Would you travel back in time and
If so, what time period?

Speaker 6 (04:50):
Now you have to understand for me.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
This is a tricky question because I finally live in
a time where everybody's like, you know, the women kind
of are equal. So I don't know that there's a
recent time period that I would like to go back to,
but maybe some you know, more matriarchal ancient civilizations would
be a feeling.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
I kind of like to go back to when Jesus
was around and just see what that's about.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
So I would want to clarify whether the question is
would you want to go back in time and have
to stay there?

Speaker 6 (05:21):
Oh sure, oh yes, or.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
To go back in time and just visit if it
were go back in time and have to stay the answers, no, correct,
this is the best it's ever been, even though not
everything is great.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
And if it were going back in time for a visit.

Speaker 7 (05:37):
The Constitutional Convention, oh that would be cool and stinky
but cool, stinky but cool.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
But that's what I think.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
I would have a hard time because I have a
very sensitive sniffer, and as a.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
Matter of fact, on the show on the blog.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Today, I have a story that I put at literally
at the top of the blog because I could identify
with a tennis player in it from the UK when
she told an umpire please tell her to put on
toyota because she is so smelly.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
She is my spirit animal.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
And where where was the other player from France?

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Like I even need to say?

Speaker 5 (06:08):
I mean, come on, yeah, Mandy, which is grosser? Ra's
Ross's unwashed legs or Mandy not shaving her legs for
a week.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
That doesn't happen. I shaved my legs all the time.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
I don't like.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
Uh, I don't like my legs to feel stubbly.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I don't like that my legs aren't gross.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Next, I mean, whatever, it's fine, hey, Mandy and Ross?
Can Ross do the reading of the blog today? And
his best old timey radio voice?

Speaker 6 (06:37):
Thanks listening on them.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
You know, when I used to read the book, I
used to do it in an old timey radio voice,
but it was too it's too stressful in my voice.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Mandy's better and it's her blog, so no.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Yeah, okay, never mind.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Uh, Mandy, did either you or Ross stay in my
house last night? Not to my knowledge? Andy, not to
my knowledge? That's I mean, I've like, are we stalking people?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Now?

Speaker 6 (07:02):
Mandy and Ross are there any notable.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Current political issues that you two are in complete disagreement about.
I don't know about complete disagreement where we're not aligned
necessarily on the whole tariff thing. We just have different
motive opinions and things like that. But I'm not pro
tariff by any stretch of the imagination. So we're not
like opposites. We just sort of view it in a

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slightly different frame.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think I call myself libertarian.

Speaker 7 (07:30):
I might be on the slightly conservative leaning end of libertarian,
and I think of Mandy as maybe on the libertarian
side of conservative.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Although maybe you call yourself more libertarian than.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
I call myself a conservatorian.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah, right, so I think I am. I think I
am a shade more libertarian than Mandy. But for two
people that you wouldn't say share the exact same philosophy,
it's so darn close that we agree on on most things.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
Mandy, please let Ross finish his sentences thoughts before answer out.
If you notice how much he talks, I mean, he
just goes on and on and on, and he prides
himself on how much time he wighs and everything else.
I mean, I can't leave him to his own devices
on this program, so you can tune in for the
three hours before and you knowle hear and blather on

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all you want. Mandy, are you doing a listener meet
up at the Fort this year? I actually thank you, Texter.
I just send an email to the salesperson who is
the connection to the Fort, and we're going to talk
about that. And I talked to Holly about it some
time ago, but I really want to do one out there,
So yes, thank you for reminding me, and we will
make that happen.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Let me let me ask the questions. Do you know
any very smart people who have no common sense?

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (08:49):
Yes, I'm related to some.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
I mean I I am so yeah, and you just
sometimes you just stand and look and shake your head.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, how can someone that smart do something that dumb
or thing?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
This is gonna sound like sarcasm, but it's not.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Many Democrats in the state.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
Legislature right in terms of straight up I hugh, they're
pretty smart. They got graduate degrees and then they have
no common sense at all.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
And uh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
I love this one.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Ross get ready a way to just update it here? Dang,
where did it go? I'm sorry?

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Uh, time period Mandy, if you could pick a superhero
to be in real life, which one would you pick?

Speaker 6 (09:40):
And you can't say Trump? I would not have said
that now, honestly, can we be real?

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Like?

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Female superheroes suck except for Captain Marvel, who is like,
you know everything, But Wonder Woman has the dumbest strengths
or whatever you want to call them.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
Oh, I've got a rope that can make you tell
the truth.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
I mean, that is like the most chauvinistic thing. The
women just want to be told the truth. That's that's
I mean, it's just so dumb.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
I'd want to be whatever. I'd want to be Superman,
but with all the same powers and everything.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Gets to wear a bikini and who is that for?

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Ross?

Speaker 5 (10:16):
How does that benefit me? I got to walk around
sucking my gut in the whole time. No, there is
follow up questions on the Mandy Carnell Show. We are
at the Mighty Millions raffle House, not the winter Park
waffle House. As far as I know, there is not
a waffle house in winter Park, and I would know
if it was waffle house. And I keep hearing you
say waffle house must be your Southern accent.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
No, idea what superhero I think. I think being the
Flash would be kind of cool. Get anywhere you want
real fast.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
I think being that's the dream of someone constantly stuck
in traffic. Nothing says I hate traffic more than that statement.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
I also think, like the one of the biggest, most
famous superheroes with the least useful superpower is Aquaman. But
I dig that because I liked scuba diving, and wouldn't
it be cool to go talk with a whale?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean it would, but you can.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Do that now, you just don't know what they're saying back.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, that's a difference.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
I mean you want to be like Doctor Doolittle or
only talk to sea creatures, because I mean, if you
could talk to all animals, that would be super cool.
But just being able to talk to fish, what are
they gonna say?

Speaker 7 (11:27):
What if you could make the sharks to jump out
of the water and create a sharknado.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Well that's like mind control, though that never happens. Ross,
don't be ridiculous. Has anyone asked what size Ross's nipples are? See,
my audience knows what's up on?

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Well, what's the measure? What's wait?

Speaker 5 (11:46):
You do not even want to know the measure it okay,
because the guy texted it in after the first question.
We've already had this conversation on the air, okay, and
he texted in the following and I had no idea
what he was talking about. So I was like, pepperoni
or baloney? What do we talk talking about? And there
you got curious. Yep, there you go. Who would have
the most dirt dug up if either of you ran

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for office? I believe absolutely without a doubt me yes,
because of my misspent youth.

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah, I was very, very much a goodie two shoes
kid and still kind of am now.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
I was that way in my kid years my twenties.
I'd love to be able to piece them together. Though
maybe I should run for office.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
I wish there'd be more dirt to be dug up
on me, because I'd have better stories.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
But I don't really there's enough.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
I've never I've never gone on a crime spree. I've
never stolen things. I've never hurt other people. I've just
done dumb, dumb things that will remain nameless. No, there
are follow up questions only by Mandy Connor. Okay, there
are no follow up questions by the guests Ross Kaminski
on the program, what's your least favorite commercial other than

(12:58):
Cars for Kids? I don't have one other than that commercial,
So I'm just gonna leave it at that. How about that, Ross?

Speaker 7 (13:05):
I don't think there is a more annoying commercial. But
let me just say the problem with the Cars for
Kids commercial is not primarily that it is inherently annoying,
even though it is a little bit.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
It is that it has played too much.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
Correct next, correct? Would you guys rather have George W?
Or Trump as president today? Policy wise?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Probably?

Speaker 5 (13:31):
Trump? President wise probably w Can I have both of those?
Because I'm a huge, unabashed George W.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
Bush fan, But.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
I hold him responsible for dragging us into the Iraq
War that, in hindsight was probably not needed and not
necessary and cost a lot of blood and treasure, and
seeing how it's turned out now, I'm not sure that
was a good decision.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
So again, the question is, would you rather have George W?
Or Trump? As president today? And my answer is, now, okay,
there you go.

Speaker 6 (14:02):
Have you ever put green chili on grits?

Speaker 9 (14:05):
No?

Speaker 5 (14:05):
I haven't, and it doesn't it No, I don't think no, No.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
What I mean, you way more expert on grits than
I am because of where you're from.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
But I'm basically a grit's purest, right. I would just
want cheese, a little bit of cheese, salt and pepper,
or even plain grits with just salt, pepper and a
little bit of butter.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
And that's really that's God's person.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
What about maple syrup or honey or you to do that?

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Who hurt you like that? No, that's a thing.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I'm not a Southern person.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
I didn't grow up with grits, but I do really
like them what I grew up with, which is not
wildly dissimilar as cream of wheat, And I always grew
up with cream of wheat with.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Butter and salt. What butter and salt?

Speaker 7 (14:46):
But my kids like putting syrup on cream of wheat,
So I like asking you that.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Wait, so you're saying I like cinnamon.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
Wait wait wait, sweet cream of wheat is fine, it's delicious.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Sweet grits are a sin against God?

Speaker 5 (15:00):
And says think about it like this, Are you gonna
put like, you know, uh, syrup on pancakes?

Speaker 6 (15:05):
Or are you gonna put syrup on corn?

Speaker 9 (15:07):
At?

Speaker 7 (15:07):
The corn on the corn grits are corn.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Wheat. It's basically the base of a pancake.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
And grits or a corny version of cream of wheat
cream of wheat. There, they're basically the same.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
They're more grainy.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
They are more grainy. But oh gosh, who would be.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
The better debate host? Mandy and Ross or Kyle Clark? Well,
obviously Mandy and Ross. That's like a dumb question. Yeah, anyway,
are you guys going to do another Mandy and Ross
wine tasting? My wife really enjoyed the last one. Steve, No,
but we need to do another meet up somewhere, so
we'll we'll start making that. Summer makes it much easier
to do that stuff, I think.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, are you are We talked about this, but it
was a long time ago.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
Are you down for kind of co hosting with me
a thing with ceophysics professor.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Paul Beale, a nerd night at a brewery.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (15:51):
That would be fun.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, Okay, we're gonna We're gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Umm.

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Is there a cure for folliculitis?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yes? I don't know what that is beheading what wait? What?
I don't know?

Speaker 7 (16:02):
It sounds like a problem with your hair, so I
said beheading would be a cure.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, I don't even know what that is. It sounds
like a hair follicle thing.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
It sounds absolutely Let me refresh heir because I said
it on two minutes so I could read.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Sounds like one of the with a hair problem.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Whath hiaa with a hair problem? Move on anyway, I'm looking.
I'm scrolling Mandy and Ross. Kim LeBlanc Esparza, superintendent of
Jeffco's school district, is applying for the same position in Loveland.
Should we be worried about it? Given the recent history
in Jeffco. If she's part of the current administration, she's

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Tracy Dorland is the current superintendent.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
In jeff COO uh.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
If she's part of that administration, I would say yes.
And I don't know this woman, so I don't want
to besmirch her, but I would go into it with
that perhaps inquisitive eye. If she's part of this current administration,
I would ask very hard questions and get very very
clear answers.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
So there you go. Here's one Ross for you. Do
you believe in ghosts?

Speaker 5 (17:05):
No, I totally do. I think I've seen a ghost really, Yeah,
I thought, I see you know, I was telling you
about our house on the river. Yeah, And one night
we were sitting out on the porch.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
It was very, very late, and I looked.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Across the river and I saw what looked like Native Americans,
not like with big headdresses, just you know, wearing normal clothes,
go down to the side of the river and get water.
And it freaked me out so bad. I froze, and
no one else was out on the deck with me,
and I was trying to like get someone's attention without
breaking the spell. And I turned my head and I
turned back and they were gone. And it was just

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so real feeling.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
That's the thing.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
It was so incredibly real feeling and random in that's
the only time it's ever happened.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
It's not like one I don't see dead people.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Was this before or after psilocybin mushrooms were legalized? You
know what?

Speaker 5 (17:55):
They were not ever legalized in the Great State of Florida,
thank you, Ross.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
But it is cow country, that's.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Where they grows.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
Peyote is a cactus. God, you know nothing.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Ask to our earlier question about who's got more skeletons
in the closet. This this conversation with my friend Ross
is like do you do the pot? Ross's next question, gosh, okay, Mandy,
please get to some substance shaving legs and cream of wheat.
It's a Friday, it's been a tough week. We're broadcasting

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from this beautiful show home for the Mighty Millions Raffle
and we just decided to have some fun. Sir or madam,
we hoped we would you would want to do it
with us. But I'm moving along to the blog and
all of our fabulous guests next, because Ross is going
to drive back in the snow and hopefully not die.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yes, that would be my goal for today. Thanks for
sticking around, Thanks for letting me stick around.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
All right, I will be back. Ross is gone and
only serious and boring content from here on out, Dexter,
We'll be right back broadcasting live from the Mighty Millions
Raffle House, not to be confused with the Winter Park
waffle House, which does not exist. Ross has taken his leave,
so let's get right to it. I've done a massive

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blog for today and you can find it at mandy'sblog
dot com. Just in case you haven't heard the detailed
instructions five thousand times before you get to there, and
it's the KOA Mandy Connell page. And then you look
at the latest posts, and then you look for the
headline that says for eighteen twenty four blog the Medicaid
Grift and the future of Ranked Choice voting, And then

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you click on that and here are the headlines you
will find within.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Oh god, I didn't know what's missing.

Speaker 8 (19:34):
Office half of American all with ships and clipments and
say that's got a press plans.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Today, I'm the blog.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
It was a ross over into the Mandy verse. Buy
your tickets to the mighty millions raffle House today. Happy
Good Friday to my Christian friends. Will rank choice voting
be back? The Medicaid Grift needs to end? It's an
ask me anything sort of Friday Tennis is so mean, girl.
I don't want this from JRFK Junior's leadership. The governor

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veto's one bill limiting transparency. Let's endformalized trusted adult programs.
Democrat drops investigation of fellow Democrat. Democrats are trying to
put gun stores out of business? Will we walk away
from a peace deal in Ukraine? Superman is the best
of us personified. Now the way you sleep is going
to kill you. We need to adopt ancient Persian decision making.

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The blue Origin stunt shows it isn't being well received
Tgif everybody marijuana has its place in cancer treatment, there
may be a new GLP one pill soon. Employees are
passively aggressively coming back to the office. This guy makes
money by doing nothing. Why their feelings matter more? And

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it's all so passover right now? The most streamed songs
from nineteen sixty on Those are the headlines on the
blog at mandy'sblog dot com. And I got to tell
you the video at the very bottom of the blog
might be my favorite thing on the blog. Someone went
and documented which song from the year nineteen sixty forward

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to twenty twenty five, which of the songs from those
years had had the most streams on Spotify. So these
are the songs that have been the most listened to
since the birth of Spotify. And it's just I love
stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
I don't know why. I have no idea why I
needed to know that.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
In nineteen sixty six it was painted black by the
rolling Stones.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
But here we are, you know, here we are. But
I thought that was kind of fun.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Today on the show, I got a lot of guests
coming up as we broadcast from this beautiful home in winter.
We have Father Mike coming up at in about half
an hour. It is good Friday today, probably the third
most important day. Actually, maybe I would say second most
important day in the Christian faith.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
You know.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I know we celebrate Christmas.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Because it's the birth of Christ, but I feel like
him dying and coming back from the day that is
probably a bigger, you know thing sort of thing.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
So Easter. I love Easter.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
I've always loved Easter. And Father Mike is gonna come on.
We're going to talk about what's going on right now.
I also want to say happy Passover to my Jewish friends.
It is going on right now. It's a much longer celebration.
It's multiple days. And I found a really good video
today that just explains what Passover is. If you don't know,
and you have interest in knowing about what the Jewish

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tradition is all about, then you can go ahead and
look at that video as well. So, Mandy, aren't you
a little scared to be alone in a strange house
making radio guys? I sit in a built like a
room by myself and talk to myself for three hours
a day. Moving it to a different house doesn't really matter.
That being said, there's a bunch of people here. I'm
not sitting here by myself.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
No, not at all. They wouldn't let me sit here
by myself.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
I'm not saying I would steal the you know, pretty
stuff that's decorating this house. But I mean if some
walked out with me, No, I'm just kidding. I would
never do that. Father, Mike come in at one o'clock
and then Kent theory is the guy who has been
really influential in changing policy and changing governance in Colorado
through a series of ballot initiatives, some that I don't love.

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I don't love doing away with a Gallagher amendment. We
also what happened with our property taxes. We should have
we should have fixed the Gallagher Amendment, but we should
have foreseen what was going to come. Well, some of
us did what was going to happen there, So I
don't like that one. But he also ran the Rank
Choice amendment that just failed, and I had a conversation

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with him. I think Kent is a fascinating guy. I mean,
just incredibly smart. And I asked him point blank in
our private phone call, I said.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
Why are you doing this?

Speaker 5 (23:44):
He's made a ton of money in healthcare, He's been very,
very successful, and now he's spending a lot of time
and his own money sort of working on how to
make our politics more representative of the overall population. I mean,
you know, a vast majority of people in the world
are far from being rabid Republicans or rabid Democrats. Most

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of us are more like, look, you know what, We're
just going to agree to disagree and move about our business.
But it seems like our current system of primaries incentivizes
the most radical to go as hard right because so
few people.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
Vote in primaries.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
I mean, it's really shameful when you consider the gift
that we have a participatory democracy where your vote actually
really does matter, unlike some countries where it just doesn't,
and yet so few people take the time to exercise it,
especially in the primaries where in Colorado there are so
many safe districts.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Whoever wins in the primaries is going to.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Win in the general for whatever party controls that district.
And so talk to Kent about all that off the
air and came away from that conversation with a very
high level respect for his motives. And you know, I'm
getting far more cynical in my old age than I
was in my younger days because I've and consistently disappointed

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over the years by politicians. I mean, politicians I have
loved have done stuff that is so disappointing to me.
The only one that hasn't, you know, seriously disappointed me
is Ran Paul or Thomas Massey because I know where
they're coming from. I know where their moral compass points.
So when they do something I disagree with, at least
I know where they do it.

Speaker 10 (25:21):
Right.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
So we're going to talk to Kent Theory about what's
next for ranked choice voting in Colorado. And you guys know,
I followed along in Alaska because the Alaska situation with
Sarah Palin is a big reason that people don't like
ranked choice voting.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
And this last election cycle, the.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Republicans learned how to play the game and it went
exactly as you would have expected, which a highly conservative.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
State voted Republican.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
The problem with the Sarah Palin race, where she and
another man split the ranked choice voting, they didn't understand
the system and they told their voters not to vote
for their opponent, and it just it backfired and got
a Democrat elected. So we're going to talk to Kent
Theory about what's next at one point thirty and then
fascinating but very tough.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
To sort of follow along.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
I've read it twice now and now I understand it.
But there is a paper out from the Paragon Institute.
They just look at health policy, they look at government
health policy, They look how government is managing healthcare in
the United States, and then they try to figure out
a better way to do it. And this deep dive
on Medicaid explains why Democrats are freaking out about the

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possibility of having Medicaid expansion be clawed back because states,
not just Colorado.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Republican states do it too.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
States have created a grift for Medicaid where they're basically
bilking the federal federal government.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Those are our tax dollars.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
By the way, When I say bilking the federal government,
I mean us, you and me, and they're doing it
through a Medicaid grift.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
That has to stop.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
So we're going to talk to a guy from the
Paragon Institute. His name is Nicholas Kleinworth at two today.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
So as you can say, we got.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
To a ton of stuff on the blog, You've got
a ton of stuff here. But I am also taking
ask me anything questions because this week has been like
so much heavy stuff, and it's Friday, and it's winter
and some people have the day off because it's good Friday.
So I thought maybe it could be a little less
of a you know, trauma show. And when we get back,

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I have my favorite story of the day, the first
story I put on the blog today about tennis being
such a mean girl sport. But on this case, I'm
on the side of the mean girl. I'll explain that next.
Right here on koa snooze gently falling and we're sitting
in the mighty millions raffle house that someone is going

(27:41):
to win into the texter who said I should claim
squatters rights at the mighty Million's house.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
I'm trying.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
I'm looking into that on the internet. It'll be fine.
I want to talk about British tennis player Harriet Dart.
She has apologized to France's Luis Boisson after asking the
chair umpire to tell her opponent to put on deodorant
because she smells really bad. Now, as one who has

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traveled in France on more than one occasion in the summer,
I can tell you when I read this story, I
knew what she smelled like. And it's not good. It
is not good. I realized that Americans, we truly are
almost obsessed with the way we smell, but not in
a buy and expensive cologne kind of way, in a
by game flavor beads to make your entire laundry smell

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like a bouquet of flowers sort of way. But we're
also deodorant people, and other countries are not necessarily deodorant countries.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
And I will tell you have not lived.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Until you get onto a German bus in July and
a woman gets on right behind you, reaches up to
grab that straphanger, and you are just staring right at
her hairy, stinky armpit. Now, if you have a sensitive
sniffer like I do, it's all you're just stand there wooo.

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And I just got off of the next stop. I
was like, I don't even know where I am, I'm
getting off the bus and I just got on the
next bus. I have also been that person when I
was a restaurant manager. I had to do this like
three times where I had to sit down one of
my team members and tell them that they had to
wear deodorant to work because they were bordered. One of

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them was bordered just offensive. It was you could smell
them like ten feet away, and it's never comfortable.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
But my thinking is, if you don't know you need
to wear deodorant and.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
You smell that bad, I am doing a huge life altering,
life changing favor by just mentioning that you may want
to put someone in your stinky pits.

Speaker 9 (29:49):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
Ross, Andy has responded.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
I got this text message a little while ago, said
Mandy asked if Ross has enough gas to get home?

Speaker 6 (29:58):
That from Andy?

Speaker 5 (29:58):
So I responded, Ross with like your cell phone number
in case you have to come bring him gas. And
Andy said, aha, just tell Ross to look for that
little light on his dashboard that looks like a gas pump.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
What oh, not that kind of gas?

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Stop it? No, no, I mean he just did have
a meatball sub But you know, whatever, serious question, why
don't they wear deodorant? Why walk around smelling like boh?
I do not have an answer for this other than
culturally it's just different. That's like saying, why do people
in South Korea still eat dogs? Which freaks Americans out?

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Culturally It's different, it's just different. And the problem with
it being different is that it's just it'll knock you out, man.
So I felt for this British tennis player who, by
the way, said she was truly embarrassed and it was
the heat of the moment and it was terrible and
she regretted it and all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
And yet I was like, sister, I have your back.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Like I'll be the one and you know, maybe secret
could be a sponsor kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Lol.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Went rafting with a German girl who sat in front,
and I kept wondering if it was me.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
No, I can assure you it is not.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
And the thing about French people, can I just have
a moment on French people? And I've had wonderful experiences
in France, truly met incredibly nice French people. But then
there's this subset of French people who are the most
annoying people on the planet, and they pride themselves on
not having air conditioning. They wear it like a badge
of honor, a sweaty, stinky badge of honor that they

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walk around talking about not having air conditioning, and I'm like,
we live in civilized society where you can you have
a respite from the one hundred degree days. So in
any case, Mandy, it's not just about wearing deodor, and
it's also going days without showering.

Speaker 11 (31:52):
See.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
Now, those two things often go hand in hand, though,
don't they.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
I often wonder if they just can't smell themselves to
a point where you can't smell yourself. It's anybody who's
ever played sports and you've had a really rough practice
and you come in and you drop your clothes on
the floor, and then you jump in the shower, and
then you get out of the shower and you pick
up your clothes and you're like, holy crap.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
That was me.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
They apparently don't do that. That's not a thing. I
have no idea, Mandy. Sometimes people don't wash their clothes
often enough. That is another cause for their bad smell.
We live in Europe a couple different times, and we
know what you are talking about. Yep, absolutely, Mandy. Worse
than a bus. Try standing in line going up the

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Statue of Liberty on a ninety five degree day in
August with a bunch of French people. Hmm, no, thank you.
I'm just gonna say no, thank you. Father Mike Tests,
everyone's favorite episcopal priest joining us next to.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Talk about a good Friday.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
We'll be back.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
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Speaker 5 (33:25):
Welcome to eighth Friday edition of the show. I'm your
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Speaker 6 (34:04):
Now joining me for a very special day.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
It is Good Friday and incredibly important Christian Well, don't
want to say holiday, that's the wrong word.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
But maybe my next guest, a very familiar.

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Voice, Father Mike Tests, joining us from Wisconsin right now
to talk about Good Friday.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Hi, Father Mike.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Hi'm Mandy.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
So we don't we don't call it a holiday?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (34:28):
It's not a holiday.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
When I said holiday, I went, wait, that sounds wrong ish,
but couldn't remember what the actual word was. So in
the scale of holydays, I was trying to figure this
out earlier, Father Mike, where does where does good Friday fit?
I put it at second place. You got Easter, you
got Good Friday, and then Christmas. Is that the order?

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, that would pretty much be the order. That would
be the order.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Why is this stay important? For people who may not
be of the Christian faith are not familiar with why
these are holy days?

Speaker 3 (35:03):
So we call this holy week. It starts with the
last Sunday, which is Palm Sunday. And it's one of
the ironies of humankind but makes perfect sense to God.
We enter into he answers into Jerusalem as the triumphant
king Hoddanna and the Eyes on Sunday, and by Friday
he is dead on a tree, only to not be

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held there, as we believe, but on Easter Sunday to
rise from the dead. And that's Postquay, that's Easter.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
So this is this is kind of the dannumal of
Jesus's life and why we give him the status as
as a deity. I mean, a normal guy doesn't rise
from the dead. Father, Micha, I'm going to ask a
difficult question. Yeah, I want to ask you a question
because this is one of those questions that I get
from atheists all the time, and they say things like,
do you believe that the man literally rose from the

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dead or is this a parable?

Speaker 6 (35:59):
I'm guessing I know what you're gonna say, but I
want to hear how you say it.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well, no, it's not a parable. Jesus, he is parables.
But we believe that he truly and we historically know
that he was, that there was a punch pilot, that
there was anison Caiphus high priests, that there was a
Jesus of Nazareth, and that he was crucified and hung

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on a cross and then laid in a tomb. And
then we believe that death could not hold him. That
as God's son, truly God, say the nice in Creed
every Sunday we say it in churches across Chris System,
truly God and truly man, that he hung on a tree,
but that death could not hold him in Because death

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could not hold him, he opened for us the way
to eternal life. And so death doesn't hold us either.
So whenever I am saying goodbye to people I love
or helping people in my Paris say goodbye, I always
say this is this is the tent, the body is
the tenth and he goes. The people go into the
Christalist and become the butterfly. That's what Christ did. Christ

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went into the tomb and came out risen. And so
we will rise with Christ. That's the promise he makes.
And so these three days Monty Thursday, Yesterday the foot washing,
He washes his disciples feet and says, love them as
I have loved you. Then good Friday he is crucified
and hangs it across and dies is put in the tomb.
And then Saturday evening, actually after dusk. We have was

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called Easter Vigil, and that is the first celebration of Easter.
It's actually an Eastern Mass. If you go to church
on Saturday morning, you're going to be still in the
tomb on Eastern nights. Saturday night, the vigil starts in
darkness and goes to the light. We light a candle
off the fire and we bless the Eastern water and
we celebrate Eastern and then all of Sunday and into

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the next forty days is the Easter season.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
That's why I have a lot Oforian.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
Know.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
That's why I asked you the question because I knew
you would give me a really, really good answer. You know,
this time of year, are there particular traditions And you
weren't Episcopal priest, but you used to be a Roman
Catholic priest other than the traditions that you just mentioned
of this week. Because I used to love Palm Sunday
when I was a kid. I just thought it was
like the coolest thing, right, and then leading up to

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Good Friday. There when you go to Catholic school, you
get to experience all of these different things. But as
we go to the Easter season, what sort of things
are our traditions in the next forty days.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So this is so, for forty days we haven't said
a word the a la luyah. We put those away.
We have not rung many churches haven't rung bells. Many
people to extra piety for these days. And so with
Easter we go from red from purple. So Holy week
is the color is red. And then we go to
white Easter white with the lilies and the resurrection. But

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and this season is the season of joy all the
way to Pentecost, where we celebrate the gift of the
Holy Spirit, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Right, so Father
gives a son, son comes and saves us. All goes
back to the Father like he said he would, and
believes and parts on us the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
So God in the Holy.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Spirit has left with us to do the work that
is left done, which is bringing everybody home eventually.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
I have a question that doesn't have anything to do
with Easter. And I don't know if you saw, and
you're right up there in Wisconsin, did you see that
the Ohio State Football Championship ring has a cross embedded
in the underside. They actually put a few on the
rate well, apparently some of the most prominent members of
the Ohio state team held a an on campus revival

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and a prayer service, and several thousand kids.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
Showed up and people got baptized, and it was just
all these.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Kids came out to declare their you know, their belief
in Jesus and and sort of reassert that. I mean,
there are things happening, and Mike, you and I have
talked about this stuff. It's like, for me, it feels
like we have the potential to have a spiritual awakening
in this country. Are you seeing that in your daily
now you know, or your weekly masses or who's coming

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to mass now?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
I do have an uptick at both of my churches.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
I do.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I find a lot of people are questioning and people
are well, I mean it's been kind of church people
roll their eyes when you say spiritual but not religious.
But I really don't think God cares if you're going
to church or not going to church. We've had this
discussion for I think what's important is for people to
know that God loves them and that they're part of it.

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And so that has been my passion for forty years
of ministry. And I'm having conversations with people. I had
the most incredible conversation with this lady who's an atheist
about light and energy and how the though late and
energy for her goes to the same place that me
praying to God. It builds the same part of her

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that me giving my heart to Christ does. And I
think that God uses all of it because God is
God and has a plan to bring all of God's
children home.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Well, I just got a question, and I don't know
if we ever asked this question on the air, but
I think it's a really good answer. Mandy. I would
love to know why he moved to a different denomination sometime.
I know this isn't the time, but that would be cool.
But I know it's a good story, so I'm going
to ask that question now, Mike.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Well, I loved being a priest and my whole When
I was seven, I said to the vocation director, I
want to be a priest and a dad, and they said,
you can be a priest.

Speaker 8 (41:50):
But not a dad.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
And I was a really I am a really good priest.
What I am not really good at is being alone.
And I was not healthy as a celibate priest. And
I have so much admiration for my brothers who can
and I have many, many friends bishops and priests who
are active and doing wonderful work and can be healthy
as a celibate. I came to the conclusion, and there's

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still some heartache in me that I couldn't that because
I really wanted to. But I knew in my heart
that that seven year old boy, that that prayer was
answered in a way that was not what I thought
it was going to be. And that's how God often
answers prayers is in an unconventional way. In the Episcopal Church,
I could still be Father Mike, I could still have

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seven sacraments, but I could be married. And that was
for me. I mean, and when I'm counsel in folks
and if they're active in their Catholicism and their disillusion,
I sent them back. I mean, there is my whole
clent is still Roman Catholic. There is so much good
and so much power in that church. But I was

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born to be a priest. But I was not born
to not be as you see me with my kids
and with my wife. I was born to people.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
I'll tell you that Father Mike is one of those
people that you could put him in a field with
two hundred other people, and if you let loose a
bunch of kids, they would immediately find him. He is
a person who children love, and his family is just
absolutely full of the best human beings you could possibly imagine.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
So he is serving his purpose. And I think that's
a great question. It is a fair question.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
I don't think I've ever asked him that question. I
have another question for you. We're taking text line questions now, Mike,
you ready, Mandy, how does he explain that most religions
have a similar history and beginning sometimes hundreds of years beforehand,
And I.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Don't know exactly what that is?

Speaker 5 (43:46):
How does he explain that most religions have a similar
history and beginning, sometimes hundreds of years beforehand?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
What thank for Christianity? So if, okay, if the question
is is, how do I explain that we we all
have similar stories like Noah and the arc, like the
creation story. So many many religions have those stories, and
we were we consider self an Abrahamic religion, So Muslims, Christians,

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Orthodox and Jews all all consider themselves from Abraham. So
we have many, many similarities and many of the ancient
traditions non non God centered religions have similar stories. And
the thing I say is that God uses it all.

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God uses everything. This is how we experience. So I
believe for Christians, this is how God gets us home.
But I don't think that it's the only way to
get home. And and and I do get feedback from
folks who don't agree with me, and they're they're more
than that's fine, they cannot.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Agree with me.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
In my heart, if there is this all powerful, all
creating God, and I love my children, you love Q
and you would do anything. We've had this conversation before too,
if you would do anything for your child, and I
would do anything for my children. This guy that created us.
Hopefully that God not have a way to get all
of God's children home unless you just make Christians and

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not everybody, which I don't believe. I believe God made
us all, that there is ways for us to get home.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
I mean, isn't that the ultimate prodigal sun story? I mean,
he hasn't it right, He has got it. They kind
of laid it out there from from where I sit.
So we're in the Easter season, and you know Jewish,
the Jewish tradition, there are so many incredibly powerful actions
that Jews take a lot around their holidays, right, They're

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very specific, purposeful actions. Do we have that in Christianity
other than Catholics not eating fish on Friday or giving
up something for lent or something of that nature.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Do we have that overall for Christianity?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Not not sweeping like that, but what we have is ways, possibilities, strains,
threads for people to that fit them the boat the most.
So we have Cistercians who who eat bread and water
and pray eight nine hours a day. We have different
brands and different vehicles in Christianity that mystics who who

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write and have these incredible deep conversations with God. So
there's ways for you to enter into it. Nothing that's mandated.
In Judaism, it's mandated, right, if you're going to do
this is what you do. But even in Judaism, there's
you know, a dozen different expressions of Judaism. There's Orthodox,

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and there's Reformed, and you know there's Conservative, there's all
kinds of different Judiatic tradition.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Well, I just think, like you know, having the opportunity
and I've always been interested in other traditions and other
religious faiths, and I generally walk away from an experience
with the different faith and I think, wow, that's really good.
We should adopt that on our side. Do you know
when it's usually something that involves like I love the
entire way the Jewish faith leans on making atonement.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
You know, we ask for forgiveness. We ask for forgiveness
from God.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
If you're Catholic, you go to confession, but the Jews
actually ask for forgiveness from people they believe they've wronged,
right and things like that.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
I wish we could kind of sweep that in and.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Say, hey, our Jewish friends, we're going to lean into
that that notion, you know, of reaching out to people.
Is it too late to get some new traditions going
in Christianity? I feel like this could get legs.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
I think there's all I think it's always being born
and new everythink. I think every old wheel comes back
around eventually.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
Every old wheel.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
Mandy.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Here's a text, Mandy. But the Bible is clear that
the only way to God is through Christ. So how
do you deal with that question?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
So?

Speaker 3 (48:11):
And I do believe, I mean so that that is
is it possibly saved without uttering the name of Jesus
Christ as you shaved there, and I just well, I
do believe that that is a way, and the person
that wrote that text is going to disagree with me
because the Bible is clear. But the Bible says a

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lot of things, and so that's that's a major difference between.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Whether you believe it it is literal and.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
So it is for word as God intended it, or
if it's inspired scripture, which most of the mainline Christian
religions believe, which is that eternal truth is captured in
that in those stories and in that book, and that
so is the point of the story for the flood,
that God was not happy with how we were living

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in covenant with God, that God destroyed the world and
put two of every animal on the bullet. Well, I'm
saying that, yes, and so or is it important if
the world is six thousand years old or six billion
years old that God made the world in seven days

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And people will say, well, maybe it was one hundred
thousand years.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
Does it matter.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
What matters is that God made the world and it
was good, and that God is in relationship with us.
That's the eternal truth, and that is immutable. You can't
change that. It's forever. And one of the truths that
scripture is from God and is eternal is that the
best minds in the world have been picking it into
it and studying it and digesting it, and it is inexhaustible.

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It is the only book ever written that is inexhospital
is still this day revealing truth to us. And so
that is God's God's love letter to us. But is
it every you mean when you know, when you know
how the Bible was written with inerrancy, that's the big

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word for it is the Bible and errants. It doesn't
have errors in it. And as it is written, it
is written by humans and it is trusted by God,
and so it is eternally true. But not maybe every
I dotted in every tea crust because it was written

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by humans. But it was given to us by God,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
And in all honesty, a lot of it was an
oral tradition before we got to the point where it
was written down right, so we.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
All know how that works out in Latin to the languages.
And it was done by monks who copied it on
skins by candle light for twelve hours at a time,
and there was no breaks in the words, and so
is it man's laughter or man's laughter, because depending on
where you break that word, you have two different meanings.

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I mean, that's where you go into that. It is
not without its human inerrancy, without its human mistakes, but
it is a truly God's word for us and what
it is supposed to get to us does. That's what
I believe, Father.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Mike tests is my guest, and Father Mike, I'm assuming
that you were going to be doing your Mass on
your Facebook page at Saint Mark's Episcopal Church in beaver Dam,
Wisconsin on Sunday because I linked to that today. So
if anybody wants to watch your mask and let me
just say this as a as a lapsed Catholic, Father
Mike is not the sort of priests that is going

(51:37):
to give you a two hour homily. Okay, You're going
to be in out, You're going to feel great at
the end of it. So if you want to tune
in for Easter Mass, I would highly recommend you do it.
And I linked to the Facebook page where they will
put that so you can see it.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
What time is Mass on Sunday Central time? Eight thirty
in Central time and then ten fifteen is our bilingual service,
which is a a good shepherd that is also on
you to that's good shepherd went Piscopal Church on that
one's at tenpaite. So I'm doing both and there will
be a lot of joy, a lot of excitement, and
a lot of children. Everybody's coming behind the altar for

(52:11):
the acoustic prayer, so it's going to be kind of cool.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
And if you are not up at seven point thirty
on Sunday to see the mass live, they have it
and they'll leave it on the Facebook page so you
can watch it when you get up, right. Will it
be posted right after?

Speaker 3 (52:24):
That's the beauty YEP, It's posted immediately after, and so
you can watch when it's comedian for you. That's the
beauty of online.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
All right, Father Mike, I love you man.

Speaker 6 (52:34):
I'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker 9 (52:35):
Love you too.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Happy Easter and happy tri to them, to all those
who are sharing in these couple of days.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
Absolutely all right.

Speaker 5 (52:43):
That is Father Mike. Tests and when we get back.
I don't normally do this, but this is how it
worked out. Today I have another interview because my friend
Kient Theory is going to join us. He has been
trying to get ranked voice voting, among other things done
in Colorado. And already on the text line, I had
a couple of people say he's a George Soros plant
that wants to make sure that Democrats will always win.

(53:04):
If that's the way you feel, I'd love to know,
absolutely love to know or what you think after you listen,
because after talking to him off the air, his intentions
are true and he makes a great point.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
We'll find out what's coming up next for that right
after this on KOA.

Speaker 5 (53:23):
My next guest is a guy who most Colorado's probably
don't know, but has been very instrumental in changing some
significant things here politically in Colorado through a series of
ballot initiatives. The most recent one was about rank choice
voting and changing the primary system. And joining me now
to kind of do a post mortem on that and

(53:44):
talk about where rank choice voting is going is camp
Theory Kent. Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 8 (53:49):
First of all, thank you man Days, it's great to
be back.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
Well, let's talk about the ballot initiative that just failed,
and I'm sure you guys have had a chance to
kind of, you know, look at it from different angles
and figure out where you think it went. Wrong.

Speaker 6 (54:05):
What do you think the issue was that it didn't
make it over the finish line?

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (54:11):
Yeah, Well that was very, very painful loss, and we
had won five in a row, and I think maybe
there was an element of overconfidence in part. I hate
to say those words, but that's an honest response. Three
things stick out. One, it took us so long to
get through the title board that we didn't have as

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much time for coalition building. The second, the proposal had
a bit too much complexity, and that's very clear from
people we talked to, the exit polling and all the rest,
and it was striking that we did get to almost
forty seven percent. And so that means we only need
to persuade three more out of every one hundred Coloradens

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and we're over the goal line.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Into the promised Land.

Speaker 10 (54:59):
And so for a new idea, a new concept to
get to forty seven, pretty damn good. But the reason
we didn't get higher than forty seven was the complexity.
And then third, I made a mistake or two during
the campaign in terms of our running it, and that
very well could have made the difference. In those words

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aren't any fun to say either.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
Well, you know what, though, you can't fix what you
don't like what you don't admit, right.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
I mean, if you just decided to give yourself a
pass on things that you should have done differently than
you're not going to be any better next time. How
do you make it more simple? And are you going
to take.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
Another bite at the apples statewide or what does that
look like?

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Right?

Speaker 10 (55:40):
Well, we have decided exactly what we're going to do
next because we're doing a listening tour across the state,
which we perhaps should have done before, taken a year
and done that and put it off running the initiative,
but we decided with everything going on in the world
in the country, it made sense to sort of throw
the long pass instead of instead.

Speaker 8 (56:01):
Of relying on the running game.

Speaker 10 (56:03):
And so I think that was a respectable decision, but
we didn't we didn't make it. The complexity was it
had three parts. That first, an all candidate primary, everybody
on the same ballot.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
People loved that. Second was top.

Speaker 10 (56:20):
Four advance and so you not only get the the
Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump far left and far right,
but to get the Jeb Bush and Amy Klobucher center
left and center right. But that was very new for people.
And then there was the third part of rank choice voting,
and that was very new for people, and so and so,
moving forward, we may do exactly the same thing because

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we spent a lot of time and money and successfully
educated almost half of all of Colorado. We may do
the same thing, but we may also just focus on
raine choice voting or just focus on an all open
primary where every one of us votevoters in Colorado gets
to vote for whoever the hell they want, independent of party.

(57:04):
And we don't have the system telling us, oh, you
got to be all Democratic or you got to pick
an all Republican ballad.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
That is just unfair.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
So peel off the rank choice voting for now and
go or well, okay, so peel off the rank choice
voting and go for the open primary. Or peel off
the open primary and go for the rank choice vote
and just separate those two things.

Speaker 8 (57:28):
Yes, yes, for.

Speaker 10 (57:30):
Example, and in one or two other states they've separated
the two depending on what's more popular in their state.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Now, why are we doing this?

Speaker 10 (57:41):
We are doing it, Mandy and I Boy. We feel
so strongly and the people feel this very clear from
all of our work that the people are very frustrated
with our democracy because it feels like they don't get
to cast real votes.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
We're trying to do is restore real votes.

Speaker 10 (57:56):
And I'll go quickly through some numbers, but about nine
of every ten districts are either dominated by one party
or the other.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Boom, that's it.

Speaker 10 (58:05):
And that typically is maybe means that's sixty percent Democratic
and forty percent Republican.

Speaker 8 (58:10):
Or the other way around.

Speaker 10 (58:12):
Gosh, that means that forty percent of your voters are
never getting to cast a meaningful, real vote for a
legislative position because they're in the little minority party. Rancheous
voting puts them back in the game because they can
vote for a Republican if they're a Republican. But then
they can say, eh, my Republican's almost certainly going to
lose because we're the minority party, and so I'm going

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to vote by number two, vote for a moderate Democrat
because I hate it when someone from the far left
is elected, and that's just not representing the entire district
in the entire electorate.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
So that.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
That is one reason that for the.

Speaker 10 (58:52):
Elections one party dominates ninety percent of the time. Now,
some people say, well, that's just kind of life. But
that dominant part he has competitions, So what are you
whining about? Well, no, in two out of three cases,
there's only one viable candidate. So Mandy and I'll wrap
it up with this sentence. It is literally true that

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eighty five percent of Colorado voters last year did not
get to cast a meaningful vote for a legislative position,
state or federal because there was only one viable candidate
on the ballot. And so if someone came to usw
hundred years ago and said, hey, America, I hear you
think you want to have a democracy, I'm not one

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for you, and they showed us what we've got, we
would laugh them out of the room because eighty five
percent of the time, our wonderful voters don't.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Actually have a choice.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
So we only have a couple of minutes left.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
But I want to ask you this voter participation in
the primaries is pathetic and anemic, and part of the
reason is because people just don't pay attention. They only
want to vote in the general election. But to your point,
their vote may not matter as much in the general election.
How do you inspire those people? Do you think an
open primary would inspire people to pay more attention to

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the primaries.

Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
Yes, the data is very clear that if you move
from a closed primary where you can only vote only
partisans can vote, to a semi open primary like we
have in Colorado, where independents get to vote, but they
have to choose a D or an R ballot, that
significantly increases turnout and engagement. The data is clear in

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Colorado and across the country. And then when you move
from the semi open primary, which is what we have
to fully open or gosh, I don't have to choose
a D or an R. Instead, I can vote for
a Democratic governor and Republican senator because I think they're
the best people and I don't care what damn party
they're in. That also increases turnout. So the data is

(01:00:53):
very clear. Our reforms lead to more people voting, and
they are also more engaged because they're not voting out
a sense of obligation for the one person on the ballot.
They're actually voting with engagement. Because the winner is not
known ahead of time. Right now, Mandy, you and I
can predict ninety percent of who's going to win, not

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only before the general election, but before the primary election. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
Well, and let me just ask this before we wrap
up here, because I'm out of time. That part of
it is incredibly important to me, that getting people to
pay attention. But do you really think this isn't going
to change the hard partisans of either party? So really,
this is about the sort of lost middle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I guess we want to put the middle back in
the game.

Speaker 10 (01:01:40):
Right now, the far left and the fire right, which
deserve their proportionate influence, have disproportionate power. We want to
put the middle back in the game. Center left, center,
and center right. Let's put them back in the game
and give them real votes back again.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
Kat Theory. I appreciate your time today if you want
to learn more about Kent and some of these initiatives.

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
There's some really interesting stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
I'm all in for ranked choice voting, especially after watching
how it unfolded in Alaska and it worked the way
it was supposed to work when the politicians understood the game.
And that is what is the missing piece here, is
that politicians are afraid of it because they don't know
how it works. But I would think any party that
is currently in the hopeless minority in any of these

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discs would be like, yes, give me a chance to
win some votes.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Kent, I appreciate the time today so much.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
Man I go democracy, Yeah, yeah, exactly, go democracy.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Thanks Kent.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
That is Kent theory. We are going to be back
in just a moment right here on KOA. I realize
that ranked choice voting is confusing and scary, and changing
what we do now is makes you feel like the
other team is going to get an advantage, and that
is part of the sales problem here because the reality

(01:02:59):
is is that as Kent was making the point that
in mixed districts, when you have people that are going
to be more in the center, they don't really get
an option because the primaries incentivize the kind of tribalism
that we see.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
You know, the primaries cater.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
To the base.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
As a matter of fact, Greg Lopez is a perfect
example of this. They love Greg Lopez at the Assembly.
They love him because he's staunchly pro life, wants to
outlaw abortion. They absolutely love it. But it is unelectable statewide.
But to get through that process, it seems like a
good idea. We've got to allow people who are more

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moderate the opportunity to make it through. People that would
probably get more votes in the general election overall, because
they are more identifiable for people, you know that may
not be as extreme. And I'm not just talking about
on the right, you guys. I'm talking about on the left.
Our Colorado legislature is full of way way far lefties,

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I mean, super far lefties. The Democratic Socialists of America
have multiple members on the left. Wouldn't it be nice
if you were a Republican in one of those districts
to be able to vote for the Republican in the primary,
but then vote for the non crazy Democrat, vote for
the least nutbar Democrat. At least you would have an
impaque or an influence then, So you know, obviously we'll

(01:04:30):
talk about that more moving forward when we get back.
Just in here in a few minutes, there's a lot
of activity, and I got really distracted in this segment.
I'm sorry you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
No, no, it wasn't your fault.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Normally I'm not bothered, but for some reason I really
did have a squirrel moment as there was too much
activity around me. I apologize for this segment overall. When
we get back, though, I have a paper on the
blog today from the Paragon Institute. They're a policy think
tank that just evaluates government regulation and structure when it
comes to healthcare, and then they try to come up

(01:05:01):
with a better way. And they just put out a
new paper on how states don't just use medicaid to
reimburse Medicaid doctors. Right, they have manipulated the Medicaid system
to builk the federal government for more money than they
should be getting back. And the biggest problem there, which
you think they're builking the federal government, the biggest problem

(01:05:23):
is it incentivizes higher Medicaid spending. And in Colorado we
are in a position now that our Medicaid spending has
gone through the roof. We are now talking about having
to make cuts, which I think are long overdue, but
we are hurting the people that Medicaid was created to help,
and that is the elderly and the very very poor.
That's what Medicaid was designed to do. So we're going

(01:05:45):
to talk to a guy from Paragon about this research paper.
But I'm telling you right now, this Medicaid thing, the
way it's structured now is just a grift. It is
unbelievable the way that this has been manipulated and there's
a pretty simple way to stop it, a way that
I have talked about in the past for completely different reasons,
but now I'm even a bigger fan of and that

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is block grants. We are gonna do that next, but
first we're gonna take a little time out as the
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Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
Joining me now is a guy who I gotta tell.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
You, I'm sure that when Nicholas Kleinworth was a small
wee child he said, mom, dad, my dream is to
work on healthcare policy for the Paragon Institute.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
And yet here he is doing just that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
And now welcome to the show, Nicholas. I hope you
understand I'm having some fun with you.

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
Yes, thank you, Mandie for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
It's great to be on.

Speaker 5 (01:08:00):
Well, Nicholas just helped write a paper for the Paragon
Health Institute. They work on government health policy and things
of that nature. I just hit that by accept sorry, Shannah,
And they've got a new paper out called Addressing Medicaid
money Laundering, the lack of integrity with medicaidvancing, financing, and
the need for ref.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
Those are pretty strong words, Nicholas.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
To call Medicaid money money laundering, Why did you choose
to use that?

Speaker 9 (01:08:28):
Well, actually, money laundering wasn't a term that was coined
by us is It actually first used by the Wall
Street Journal some years back to describe the same process
of how hospitals and providers alike are paying into the
system only to get that money back and take money
from the federal coffers.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
So explain to my listeners how Medicaid dollars flow to
the state and dumb it down because this is super complex,
which is part of the problem. And let's talk about
how that money flow works.

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
First of all, right, Well, it's complex by design.

Speaker 9 (01:09:04):
It makes it really hard for people to figure out
what is exactly going on. Basically, all you need to
know about Medicaid is it is a federal state partnership.
So the federal government helps the state administer this program.
The federal government will provide say, sixty percent of the cost,
and then the state's supposed to provide the other forty percent.

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But states are cheating the federal government in this way.
So they're taxing healthcare providers. They put a tax on
your doctor or your hospital, and they promise them that
they'll get their money back. So they take that money,
and then they raise payments to those providers, so they
get all that money back. And because those payments are

(01:09:48):
additional spending in Medicaid, the federal government then matches sixty
percent of that higher spending. Now, so now the state
was able to create billions of dollars out of thin air,
keep the providers happy, and expand the Medicaid program.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
So what's the problem with that, Nicholas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
So there are a few problems with it.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
The first thing is that the states are getting rid
of their incentive to control costs within the program. So
if you're getting money out of thin air, why would
you want to be frugal with the dollars make sure
they're actually going to improving people's health. And so we
see that on the Medicaid program. How it's actually a
very low value program and people aren't getting out of

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it what the government's putting into it. And then secondly,
unlike Colorado, Colorado is one of the exceptions, but in
other states, some of these payments go all the way
up to average commercial rates for these services.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
And what that does is if you, as.

Speaker 9 (01:10:49):
A doctor, knew you were going to get a guaranteed
payment from the government and it's up to your average
commercial rate, you're incentivi is to raise that rate. So
it actually is the cost of healthcare for all Americans,
not just the Medicaid people.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Now, it is my understanding, and I've had this experience
in Florida many years ago. I was trying to help
someone on Medicaid find a specialist, a very specific kind
of specialist, and they were unable to get this specialist.
And these are people living in poverty and they needed
a specialist for their child. And I was told by
someone at the Medicaid office that because reimbursements are.

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
So low, that none of.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
The specialists for that particular specialty would take Medicaid on
a regular basis. So we did jump through all these
soups to get somebody to take her as a specific case.
So what you're telling me is that that is not
accurate in all the other states, that many of them
are approaching average market rates.

Speaker 9 (01:11:45):
That's correct, and in a lot of states. So it's
true that the Medicaid a reimbursement rate standard. The base
rate is below what you would consider as like a
normal market rate and the average commercial rate for that. Well,
what states do to raise the spending and give extra
money to these providers. They provide what's called supplemental payments

(01:12:08):
to these providers, and that gets them to that threshold.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
What is the solution for this?

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Because what's happening now, and let me see if I
can break this down correctly. States are incentivized to increase
payments to doctors. At the same time, doctors are paying
a provider fee or tax back to the state with
the understanding they're going to get it back.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
And then Medicaid builds the government.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
At a much higher level, relieving the state of much
of their responsibility when it comes to medicate. So that's
the game, right right, right?

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
Okay, So how do we fix it?

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
So all we're proposing at paragon, and it actually really
should be a pretty low bar Mandy, because all we're proposing,
even Barack Obama believe it or not, proposed that we
lower what's called the safe harbor threshold, which is how
much the states are allowed to give back to providers

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in a hold harmless type of agreement. So what I
just described where they pay the tax and then they
get that money right back right now, they can charge
up the six percent of the of the profits made
by the hospital or that provider. So we're proposing that
you lower that to at least three point five percent.
That's what Obama wanted to do, and I would hope

(01:13:24):
that Republicans would at least be as conservative as Barack
Obama on this issue.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
What about block grants?

Speaker 9 (01:13:32):
Block grants are actually are number one recommendation for this.
It's hard to see that we would actually get to
block grants in Medicaid this year with all the with
what we're seeing in Congress right now, but that would
be ideal because what's happening in Medicaid is that open
ended reimbursement. If the states spend more the government, the

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federal government ends up reimbursing more, and so that incentivizes
the program to have a runaway costs. So a block
rerant would actually only incentivize states to be a lot
more efficient with the program and would address a lot
of these issues.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
Is that feasible to do? I mean, could you look
at what a five year look back and figure out
what each state's block would be.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
Would they all be.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
The same because states with higher poverty, of course, would
need a bigger Have you guys worked out the details
on that.

Speaker 9 (01:14:19):
Every state would be a little bit different. There are
different dynamics at play in the states, and when you're
when you're trying to decide something like that, I would
say that the main thing that we need to do
is that the current f map situation, or the federal
matching situation, is that the state it's supposed to be

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correlated with the wealth of the state inversely correlated. So
the less wealthy of the state is the more the
federal government would kick in. But right now we're actually
seeing just the opposite. More wealthy states are getting more
federal money per per and roll Lee should I should

(01:15:01):
make sure to specify that. So what we would want
to do with the block grant system is actually kind
of make medicaid the way it was always supposed to be,
which is the poorer states they are actually getting more help.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
Nicholas Kleinworth, It's a fascinating, fascinating article. I hope everybody
goes to read it because we're now having a quote
medicaid crisis here in Colorado because our legislature is overspent
over the last few years and now they're having to
try and figure it out. So I'd love to be offered.
I'd love to be able to offer solutions that don't
just involve more money from the government, because that money

(01:15:35):
from the government, that's my money, and I'm quite cheap. Nicholas,
I appreciate your time today very much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Yes, thank you for having me.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
It's a great conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
All right, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
That's Nicholas Kleinworth from the Paragon Institute. They're super, super
nerdy but incredibly interesting stuff. And when you start to
realize how convoluted the system is, and honestly extremely unnecessarily convoluted,
but convoluted, it is hard for people to hold accountable.

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
Right, there's the rub right there.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
The more convoluted something is, the more difficult it is
to just make sure it's running. Well. We're going to
take a quick time out. We'll be back right in
a moment. From the Mighty Millions Raffle House. Keep it
right here on KOA.

Speaker 6 (01:16:16):
What is the difference between.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
Medicaid and Medicare and Medicaid is a totally different program.
Medicare is health insurance for the elderly. That is what
Medicare is. You become a certain age, you pay premiums,
and there you go. You are covered by Medicaid if
you are over a certain age. I mean, that's just
everyone's covered by Medicare. Medicaid is specifically designed for the

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poorest of the poor. That's what Medicaid was designed to serve.
It was people in poverty, especially women with children, and
then the elderly. Medicaid kicks in when someone needs long
term care and does not have the means to pay
for it. Unless you think, I'll just let Medicaid pay
from a long term care, you have to spend down

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all all of your assets and they do a look back.

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
Some states it's five years, some states it's two years.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
I'm not sure what it is here in Colorado, but
Medicaid should not be your first choice if you can
avoid it for your long term care issues. But they
are totally different programs. Medicare is a fully federal program. Medicaid,
as our guest just said, is split between the states
and the federal government. I have been talking about block
grants for a very long time, because I think they're

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the best way. And a block grant is when the
federal government says, Okay, I'm making these numbers up.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
These are not accurate. I have not looked up the numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Federal government says, hey, last year we gave you twenty
million dollars or twenty billion dollars to pay for health care,
and this year we're going to give you twenty one
point five billion. Spend it wisely, but you're not getting
another dime. That's a block grant, and block grants incentivize
the state to be good stewards of that money. But
what's happening now is the states keep sending bills. They

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keep sending bills, and the federal government keeps reimbursing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
And you just heard, and I.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
Hope that was that you could understand that because it
is incredibly convoluted on purpose, as I said, But what
states are doing is raising reimbursements to doctors and then
billing the state even more while asking doctors to essentially
pay half of what the higher level is. I mean,
it's a very like if a private business tried to

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set up a scheme like this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:22):
I'm sure someone would go to jail, but here we are. Oh,
if you get long term.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
Social Security disability, you automatically get Medicare. Okay, that's an addition,
thank you, texter. But they are separate completely. This texter said,
I do agree that Medicaid is a super convoluted bureaucratic
system that needs to be fixed most of the time.
In Colorado, our biggest barrier to helping the most vulnerable
citizens in the state is actually medicaid itself. Medicaid is

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a program that I mean, nobody wants sick people to
die in the streets, right like poor people.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
Nobody wants that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
But what we've done by expanding it to the levels
that we've expanded it, especially when Obamacare subsidies are available,
but they require more buy in from people who are
not making a lot of money. It needs to be
scaled back so it can properly serve the people that
it was originally intended to serve. Now, when we get back,
I have a couple of options for you guys. I

(01:19:17):
have a bunch of stuff on the blog today. We
are going to talk about ancient Persian decision making because
I feel like this is a winner. You know, our
current political system is such a mess. The ancient Persians
had a way of doing it that sounds a lot
more fun than what we've got. Now, I've got an
update on marijuana and cancer and employees are passively aggressively

(01:19:41):
coming back to the office. Or I can just let
Chuck sit down and we can talk to him because
he just walked in. You guys, choose and let me
know on the Common Spirit Health text line at five
sixty six nine oher, So just do that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
That would be awesome and we'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Keep it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Oh no, I don't need to break yet. I do
want you to go look at some Oh I can't wait.
I want to talk about this video on the blog
real quick. So this Japanese man has made a business
out of the guy being the guy who does nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
What does he do?

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
People hire him to do a variety of things, like
go have dinner with him. Now he's not any great shakes,
He's not like a great date. He just sits there
on his phone most of the time. Or people have
come to him when they had to tell something very
difficult to their family and they wanted to try it
out on someone, and they hire this guy to do
these things, and I'm thinking to myself, in an epidemic

(01:20:33):
of loneliness, this may be a cottage industry to look into.
Check that out on the blog at mandy'sblog dot com,
and now we'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
You guys have no idea how insufferable.

Speaker 5 (01:20:46):
He's going to be, because he sat down and looked
at the text.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Line and I said, do you guys want to hear
these cool.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
Stories that I worked really hard to put on the
blog for you, or do you want to hear from Chuck?

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
And the second line.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Says Chuck Chuck Chuck Chuck stories.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
Okay, well one set a dose marijuana and cancer and
some Chuck pleas. So you're apparently far more interesting than
I am and all the work that I'm just kidding,
all the work that I put in. I do want
to talk about the marijuana cancer story for a second,
because you know, medical marijuana was sort of promoted as
there are all these health aspects of smoking, pod or
consuming cannabis in a variety of ways, and just now

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we are starting to see some of the studies that
are happening. It's very difficult to study the effects of
cannabis because it's still on schedule one of the federal
drug schedules, so that puts all kinds of limitations on it.
But this guy gathered up I always call this a
study of studies, right. They aggregate all of these studies
that they can find, quite a few studies, hundreds of studies,

(01:21:47):
and then they run them through an AI computer program
that is designed to analyze the sentiment of each of
these papers quickly, something that would have taken researchers months
to rea through all of these documents and then they
would be able to assign the sentiment.

Speaker 6 (01:22:03):
But AI can I ask a question about it? Wait,
let me finish what I'm saying. And this is my life.

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
So AI was able to check these and they expected
it to be like, you know, fifty five percent.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
One way or the other.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
And what they found out was that seventy five to
eighty percent of these papers showed benefit of cannabis in
cancer treatment. Now they're not talking about, hey, treat your
cancer with just cannabis. That's cuckoo for cocoa puffs. But
they have done studies where they've added it in with
cancer patiments who are getting traditional treatments. It has been

(01:22:38):
very successful in helping with appetite. As chemotherapy can kill
someone's appetite and people lose too much weight, it is
very helpful with appetite. It has also been shown to
be helpful with pain management. So it's going to be
very interesting to see the federal government under RFK Junior
I think should work to move marijuana down the schedule

(01:22:58):
in part so we can have more robust studies about
these kinds of things without researchers worried about their they're
going to have their funding pull because they're violating federal law.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
So that is what it is.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
And that was the story on marijuana and cancer treatment.

Speaker 8 (01:23:13):
So and there's so many, so many people, so many
veterans who have PTSD in that it helps, but so
many cancer patients that it's exactly what you said. The
munchies are actually saving their lives. I mean, that's what
it comes down to. They can finally eat something. So
here's my question. When they have AI do a study
like that, right, and they put it all together, do

(01:23:33):
they have any actual like researcher go back and verify
what AI came up with?

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
You know, I think when they're building the AI, right,
when they're building the AI that has the capability of
doing this. That is when they check the AI's ability
to do it, and then the people that use the
AI are relying on other people to ensure that their
AI is working correctly and therefore their study is working correctly.
So I don't think those researchers are doing anything.

Speaker 8 (01:24:02):
But even when I you know, that kind of thing
I've been involved with working on assembly line and stuff
where you get a computer set up they do you
still do periodic checks. So as they're doing the different
studies on stuff like that, I mean, there's got to be.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
All In order for a study to be a true
scientific study that should be relied on, someone has to
replicate their results.

Speaker 6 (01:24:22):
So someone else has to replicate their results.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
And that's why when we talk about medical studies, it's
like so many medical studies that get huge play when
they first come out are not replicatable, meaning no other
scientists using the same methodology gets the same results, and
in which case those first results are garbage. But unfortunately,
some of the most outrageous studies the ones that have
the biggest headlines. There was a study that came out

(01:24:47):
like a couple of years ago, maybe you know, I'm
not going with time, but it was about the negative
health benefits of what is that?

Speaker 7 (01:24:56):
Is that that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
What is that?

Speaker 6 (01:24:58):
Oh, it's just a truck backing up, hearing a beeping
in my head. They most are just saying, you're you're
not good with time. I'm not good with time.

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Study came out the showed alleged to show that gas
stoves increase the amount of carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide
in your house. But the reality of that study was
they wrapped an oven in plastic and made like an
eight by eight space that was completely sealed with no
win and then they measured those those chemicals. Well, that's
not real life. And now as people are looking at

(01:25:29):
that study, they're like, well, that's the stupidest thing I've
ever heard. But some governments are using to try to
ban gas stoves.

Speaker 8 (01:25:34):
Well, it's headline studies. They're just studies. They do to
get the headline so they can, you know, get the
news and then it you know, dies out.

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
Holy crap. Chuck is On, Grab the kids. Chuck is
On says this sextor definitely grab the kids. Maybe I
can warm up your cannabis study. I can send you
one about dog wormer curing cancer. Okay, you know what,
here's the thing. Can I talk about Jackie here? Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
Absolutely, So Chuck's older sister, who.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
Was very much an earth mothery type person. Yes, and uh,
she got breast cancer and was told by another hippie
flower child that it.

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
Would be fine, like use some oils, it'll be good.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
So she's dead now because she listened to alternative theories
and alternative sort of things. Now, I'm not saying that
there are not a lot of natural ways that you
can increase your chances of beating cancer. Yes, but right now,
anything that that is oh, just and I don't know
if that's what you're saying text her is you know,

(01:26:40):
ooh just take you know, de warmer and it's gonna
that's I I will not even I won't platform that
in one shape, in any way, shape or form. I mean,
just just not.

Speaker 6 (01:26:50):
We're not gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:26:52):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
Mandy is a former hopefully heroin addict. Not sure if
RFK will do that on pot. I wish he would,
but people in our recovery or sometimes down on the
use of any drug.

Speaker 6 (01:27:03):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (01:27:03):
Okay. He's married to Cheryl Hines. She is a Hollywood animal.
I guarantee you that more than half of his friends
probably smoke pot to this day because they are of
that generation and they can all afford it. I just
don't think, especially baby boomers cancer. Yeah, exactly, they're battling cancer,
fighting it back. And there you go. We've got about

(01:27:27):
we got about ten minutes, issh until I beat you
into the day. And so i'd love to say, if
you have a question for Chuck, now's the time, five
six six nine, oh. I will be answering no further
questions on the program. Do you have any desire to
talk about your your service and specifically how you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
Got wounded, because.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
Well you don't have to, though I've told people sometimes
you don't want to talk about it and you know, well,
then what happened?

Speaker 8 (01:27:55):
You want me to tell the story?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Oh okay.

Speaker 8 (01:27:57):
So most people have seen the movie Black Hawk Down.
At the beginning of the movie Black Hawk Down, the
very first scene is a giant Olympic stadium. I mean
it's huge, and that's right inside Mogadishu. Well, on the
day that I was in charge of a convoy, we
were taking supply trucks from the embassy, which is more

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in downtown Mogadishu and around to the stadium and we
got down there. Now, you can't be on the road
at night. There's a lot of rules. Everybody's. Every vehicle
has you know, one of what we call shooters and
one of our guys to protect the vehicle and the driver.
The drivers are usually Somali, but we have several army vehicles.
We were attacked attached to a group called Brown and Root.

(01:28:42):
They're out of Texas.

Speaker 9 (01:28:43):
They do.

Speaker 8 (01:28:45):
Yeah, yeah, so they they you know, so we were
working with them. We get down to the embassy or
i'm sorry, down to the stadium, We get our stuff
done in the timely manner and the truck won't start.
So now we're stuck down there for forty five minutes
and getting the truck started, which is the worst thing.
So the last thing I said before we left the
compound was drive like a bat out of you know what.

(01:29:05):
You know they're they're going to you know, they know
where down here, And that's exactly what happened. We got
about halfway back to sword base and they had blown
up the road and we got ambushed. And it was
just two military guys, me and my partner Jack, and
I got our vehicle got hit by one hundred and
eighty seven rounds. I had an RPG that went off

(01:29:25):
or that they shot at us. It went through the
wheel well between my legs and lodged in the back seat.
But luckily they did not know to take the safety
cap off of the RPG, so I have the rest
of it, as you know, in the safety cap, so
it just didn't blow up. But you know, it was
one of those that took several bullets. You know. The
funny thing about being shot in that kind of a

(01:29:46):
situation is the report said I was shot with four
different bullets. But as time was going on, as Mandy
will tell, he and my buddy Sean, because it seems
like he's around when one of them works their way
out that we didn't even know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
So we doesn't like to stay in your body, No,
it doesn' yeah, fun fact, that's something I didn't know.

Speaker 6 (01:30:03):
It likes to work its way out. It's kind of gross,
but it's not bad.

Speaker 8 (01:30:06):
You know, I'm now missing one finger, but it's a
great party favorite, Yes it is. It's great at hell.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Talk about a guy who has taking a potential disability
and made it hysterical.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
On many occasions. That is, Chuck, Chuck, are you a
fan of BattleBots? Says this texter.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
Of course he is.

Speaker 6 (01:30:21):
Okay, let me just say communists.

Speaker 8 (01:30:23):
People that aren't a fan of BattleBots should not even
approach me. Okay, I love it that much. Mandy and
I get hooked on it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
It's so good.

Speaker 8 (01:30:30):
We even went down to a place in Parker to
see one of the BattleBots, the Copperhead Rattles.

Speaker 6 (01:30:36):
Yeah, it was a copperhead Copperhead, Yes, and it was
very very good.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
It was very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:30:40):
Mandy was when was Chuck in South Korea? Were you
at Young Sawn Army Garrison and Seoul?

Speaker 8 (01:30:45):
No, I was there. I got there January third, nineteen
eighty six, and left Chan December thirtieth, So I never
saw eighty five, never saw eighty seven. And I was
at Camp Casey. I was up north. I was up
for all the fun.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
We're actually trying to go there now we go for
the Mandy Connell Adventure. Chuck and Q and I are
actually flying out a day early and we're going to
We're trying to get a tour of Camp Casey.

Speaker 6 (01:31:07):
Now, so did that guy us trying to get a
tour of the DMZ s.

Speaker 8 (01:31:12):
Yeah, we can go to Camp Casey, but getting up
to the DMC is sort of control.

Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
So we're trying to make that happen.

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
Chuck, what are your feelings towards Cebe's that from Bruce
former CEB? What's a CB?

Speaker 8 (01:31:22):
I don't know what CEBE stands for now that I
think about it, But it's the engineering you know, part.

Speaker 6 (01:31:27):
Of the navy, okay, and I love the Army Corps
of Engineers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 8 (01:31:30):
It's like, you know, an upscale from the Army Corps engineers.
From my opinion, I've worked with him. I worked with
him in Mogadishu. I worked with him several different places.
If you want something done, call a CEB. Yeah, that's
just that's just the bottom of line.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
There's a question for me, Mandy, how does it feel
to have a famous husband. You don't realize that I
am married. I'm married to the Governor of life. Okay.
Wherever we go, everyone knows Chuck, And if they don't,
within ten minutes, everyone knows Chuck. We go to the
grocery store, he literally talks to every single person in
every single department and they talk back.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
We go to a restaurant.

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
They're like where you've been, Bud. They named a food
after him at a restaurant, hit Doug Signer. When you
go to Doug Digner, you can get more blueberries or
more chocolate chips. You just have to tell him to
chuck it up. So, yeah, I already know what it's
like to be married to a famous husband. You know,
it's really being your arm candy like this, but here we.

Speaker 8 (01:32:22):
Are funny about that. I showed up an event one
time with a T shirt on it says I'm tired
of being my wife's arm candy, and I got more
pictures picking with me than her at that event.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
I guess you should clarify because this said Mandy, I
was at launch stool when these guys were evacuated the hospital.

Speaker 6 (01:32:38):
He was not part of the black hawk down situation.
He was hitting in July.

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
You're right, I got hit July thirteenth, Thank you. I
got hit July thirteenth, and that all happened October third.
So by the time if you were at launch shul
in July, I got we got transferred. Let's see, we
got hit. We got metavact over to for lack of
a better word than the MASH unit there and Ogadishu.
And then the next day I did a couple surgeries

(01:33:04):
there on site, and then the next day they sent
us by way of Egypt to launch Jewel So and
then I was there for two weeks. Jack was there
for a long time.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
Yeah, construction battalion. That's what the CDs are, construction battalion.

Speaker 8 (01:33:17):
Thank you. I've never I've always wanted that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:21):
Let's see here. Hi, Mandy, would you ask Chuck? This
is a tough question, and I will say this.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
My husband understands navigating the VA most better than most,
But you're talking about a Byzantine empire that is designed
to say no, right, I.

Speaker 8 (01:33:38):
Don't know the question. The question is well hold on,
But let me just state this before you even say
the question. I got here twelve years ago, and I
attempted three times to get an appointment with the VA
to do different things with VA, and every single time
I tried, there were so many walls. I just found
my own doctor, right, And I haven't been to VA since.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Hi, Mandy, would you ask Chuck the best way Our
vets who served in Afghanistan and multiple times are repeatedly
denied one hundred percent burn Pits X best approach going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Thing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
I'm going to tell you this, get a lawyer. Yeah,
get a lawyer who handles it, because it is they're
just waiting for you to die. And the burn Pit
guys are now the new Agent Orange guys.

Speaker 8 (01:34:17):
That's really sad.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
I mean it is sad.

Speaker 8 (01:34:18):
Many years ago, the only time I've ever really been
starstruck is Mandy was doing her show out of Florida
and she got to interview. We were in Washington, DC,
and she got to interview the Secretary of the VA,
which is Yeah, and it was just he came in
and I was blah blah blah because he was really
trying to fix things, really trying to get things back
in order. And she asked the greatest question ever asked

(01:34:40):
on a radio station. Do you remember the question?

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
I said, does the president send you flowers on Secretary's Day?
Because he was Secretary of the VA. And he was like, huh,
I don't know, no one's.

Speaker 8 (01:34:49):
Ever asking Yeah, I surely had his assistant write it
down and he sent Mandy in the email or someone
that he doesn't and he said no. And but they
actually went through the process of answering her quay was fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
This question probably came in as you were giving your answer,
with the delay factored in. How has Tchuck's overall experience
been with the VA as a soldier with service connected
lifelong injuries and thoughts on cuts to the VA.

Speaker 8 (01:35:12):
So, when I first got out of the military and
VA sent me to back to college in Ohio University,
my hometown, I worked, That's right. I worked for the
clinic there in Athens, Ohio Clinic VA Clinic, and I
was in charge because in the military, right before I
got out, because they were medically boarding me out, I
actually was in charge of putting all together all the

(01:35:33):
medical boards for the last eight months I was in
So when they found that out in VA, when I
went through the question there, they gave me a job
running their records room. So I ran. I kept all
the records, all the files down there, and I saw
really quick the minitia. But I learned enough where I
can maneuver it. And then like when we were in Louisville,
the VA was fantastic, you know, it was very easy,

(01:35:54):
you know, but it's just there's been times that it's
that it's just a monster that's just not worth.

Speaker 5 (01:36:00):
And we have so many friends who do use the
VA with varying degrees of success. I guess I should
put it that way.

Speaker 8 (01:36:07):
That is, and you know, most of them will say
they're doing a good job up there. Most I can
say that. Most of my friends say they are yeah,
that I've talked to. But you know, but I think
if they could go another route, they probably would.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:36:18):
Anyway, it is now.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
Wait and now it's started that the wrong way, and
I threw myself off. This is what happens when I
get out of the studio. By the way, one more
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Speaker 8 (01:36:43):
I want Switzerland.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
Thanks to Children's Hospital for having us out here today.
It's absolutely gorgeous. And now it's time for the most
exciting segment on the radio of its.

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
Guy Way of the day. All right, what is our
dad joke of the day? Please their grant Dad joke.

Speaker 11 (01:37:05):
Yes, yeah, I like you talking about oh you Chuck.
That was nice, I know, buddy bodcasts, oh you Oh
yeah Dad. Joke of the day, I was abducted by aliens.
It made me wash my hands, clean my room, and
eat my vegetables. Turns out I was on the mother ship.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
Okay, I love that one.

Speaker 6 (01:37:24):
That one I have to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
All right.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
What is our word of the day? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Word of the day.

Speaker 11 (01:37:28):
I think you will both get it, and you've been
doing it nicely. And this last segment collaborate.

Speaker 6 (01:37:34):
Oh that is to work together on a single project.

Speaker 12 (01:37:37):
You do that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Well, we're gonna sing Ebony and Ivory to show us out,
although we're both white.

Speaker 6 (01:37:42):
But it's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
It's a good song, all right. Today's trivia question. What
was the last film comedy to win the Oscar as
Best Film back in nineteen seventy seven?

Speaker 8 (01:37:53):
Was that Tootsy Silver Streak?

Speaker 6 (01:37:56):
Silver Streak did the Oscar?

Speaker 5 (01:37:59):
I'm going with tutsis that seems like a legit reasonable answer? Oh,
I'm so wrong. It was Annie Hall of course. I
think Susi was like eighty one too. Yeah, anyway, and
it was Allen movie was like not a straight up comedy.
It was a Woody Allen comedy. So whatever, it's fine.
What is our Jeopardy category?

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
Please?

Speaker 11 (01:38:18):
Jeopardy category for today? B mine, b ee mine. All
answers will have a ee in them. First one to
take the most direct route is to make one.

Speaker 6 (01:38:29):
Of the many what's a bee line?

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Correct?

Speaker 11 (01:38:33):
Next one, minimally attired attractive men with large muscles.

Speaker 6 (01:38:40):
Mandy, what is beefcake?

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Correct? Chuck the beefcake?

Speaker 11 (01:38:50):
Brewing a batch of Budweiser beer takes about thirty days
and involves milling, mashing, and this type of aging, willy mashing,
and this the son is going to be so upset.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Aging this kind of Mandy beer barreled aging.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
No, say it, Juck, No, I have no clue.

Speaker 6 (01:39:17):
Beech wood, Oh, beechwood aging?

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Say it?

Speaker 8 (01:39:22):
I remember?

Speaker 11 (01:39:25):
Next one, this animal is about five eighths domestic cattle
and three eighths bison.

Speaker 6 (01:39:35):
Mandy, what's a b falow?

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Correct?

Speaker 8 (01:39:40):
Now the answers are just made up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Brand.

Speaker 8 (01:39:43):
You're my homie, not her, but you're not supposed to
help her with these these cheats.

Speaker 11 (01:39:49):
Second in command to Satan and Paradise lost.

Speaker 6 (01:39:53):
Mandy, who's beegel bub?

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Correct?

Speaker 8 (01:39:55):
You said that wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Diel bub but it's Bil said it wrong, but.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
It's spelled correctly. I just said it phonetically.

Speaker 6 (01:40:04):
That was a woofing on you right now.

Speaker 8 (01:40:06):
I don't know what you missed too, according to me,
because you got beez above or bobbily.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Whatever it is. Okay, we'll be back Monday. Guys, stay
safe in the snow. If you don't have to leave,
just stay home. That's that's what I recommend. And uh,
I hope you have a great weekend. I know we
are keep it right here on Kowa