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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My partner in grime, my friend, my sister from another mister.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Whenever you say partner in crime, I just think that's
where the rumors begin. We have not done anything illegal
together and.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
That we know solies are aspirational for us. Someday when
we just completely come on glued, You're going to see
us driving across the country in a Ford Thunderbird. But
we're not going to go over a cliff because that
seems unsafe.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Now we're evil Knievel styles.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It will be a ramp on the other side and
it will be glorious to watch.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Evil kept crashing in the canyons. Moving on.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
No, no, we're better than that.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Okay, So next Tuesday there is a forum on home
rule in Douglas County and you guys have assembled as
part of Douglas County citizenry, a rock solid lineup I mean,
and the moderators on this event there are you know it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I've heard they were the very best, so we did
everything to get them and they're doing.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It for free.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They are such rivers. That would be Deborah and me.
By the way, we will be moderating the event.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
In case you didn't know what is early about Oh,
you got it absolutely for anyone who isn't aware, a
home rule is something that is in the Colorado Constitution,
but as of now, only two counties have actually adopted that,
and that is Picking County and Well County. Now Douglas County,
which is both of your and my home, is considering it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And I think the reason why we're doing this.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I absolutely believe what the founding father said, A well
educated citizenry is a key to a free republic. And
it's a confusion. It's a confusing concept. And I want
to say upfront, I am a limited government, a small
government person by nature. But home rule is confusing Douglas
County citizenry. Who is hosting this is simply doing a
(01:46):
non biased, informative town hall.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So people can ask all the questions.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Because it's that's an important part of what our process is.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
We are going to hear from Douglas County Commissioner George Teel.
He is part of the three commissioner group who moved
this forward and will hopes to be a part of
the Charter Commission. We're going to find out why the
county commissioners want to move in this direction. We've got
who else, Sherry Davis, she's the Douglas County Clerk. What
role is she going to play in this?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, what's involved in this And I'm not going to
talk about the specifics here because I'm as confused as
many folks, and so we're going to hear from the experts.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
This involves a couple of.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Different elections, both for a charter commission and then eventually
for approving a charter if this is what the people
of Douglas County consider. And then we also have the
Douglas County Attorney because we want to know what's that
separation between state law and county law. And then in
addition we have from Weld County, which is one of
only two counties that is currently a home world county.
(02:45):
We have Commissioner Scott James and also their county attorney,
Bruce Barker, who will be a part of this as well.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So they'll be able to clarify, yes, what advantages they
enjoy in welld County and what challenge is what differences
they have as a home world county.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So we'll actually be able to get real world data.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yes, absolutely, and you know what I appreciate about the
Douglas County citizenry and those folks that we're hearing as
this is formulating. Most people just want information. They're they're
they're not coming in with a bias. This is not
to be a.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Debate for or against.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
This is to be purely of service to the citizens
to answer questions. And that's that's what you, by the way,
have to get back to in our culture, the ability
to ask questions and be informed without it feeling like
it is antagonistic. It's not asking questions is simply allowing
citizens to be informed and then make an educated choice.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Devil Flora is my guest, and we're talking because a
Texter just said, maybe I missed it. I don't think
you actually said her name. Oh Hia. This is happening
Tuesday night. We wanted to bring it to your attention
to you can put it on your calendar. It's happening
in Parker at North Star Academy. That's on Keystone Boulevard.
It's very very easy to fine. Doors open at six
(04:02):
the event begins at six thirty. We have a lot
of people on this panel, and I know personally somebody
at the text line and said, Mandy, can you please
ask Dab why she doesn't like home rules. Have you
made an opinion on this, because I am I am
an open I am an open like I'm open to
be convinced.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's exactly what I just stated at the beginning, and
I appreciate that, you know, if that person misperceived how
I stated it. I'm a constitutional conservative. I believe government
was most meant to be at the local level. There,
you know, citizens have a greater say. That's why schools
are supposed to be definitely local control.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So that is my bent and my default. We're just
trying to.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Have a robust conversation about what it means, what doesn't
I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And by the way, for everyone that wants to vote.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
For home rule, we're also hopefully doing a service because
if it does pass, there will not be any false
conceptions about what it means or what it doesn't mean.
That just sets people up for aggravation later. There is
definitely an intersection between state law and county law, and
let's find out what that is so then everybody can
be fully informed.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And it's different than Denver because Denver is a city
county home rule situation. It's different than a municipality, yes,
that has adopted home rule status. So there's a lot
of nuances to this, and there is I have not
talked to a single person that feels like they have
a handle on this at all.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I agree, And what I think we've lost in our
culture is the ability to come together and hear fully
so people feel empowered. I mean, when I was running
for Congress, we did a twenty five percent voter turnout
in the primary. What that says to me was seventy
five percent of the people either were disengaged or did
not feel enabled to make a decision.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So there is a fault in the process here. So
we also don't want people to sit out on.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
This vote if they are for it just because they're confused,
or if they're against it because they need more information,
and maybe it'll persuade either side in either direction. To clarify, again,
this is not to be a debate on the pros
and cons. This is informative. That's what a town hall is.
It's a service. Everybody involved is volunteering their time to
serve the citizens of Douglas County to have full information.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So if people can't make it to the event, or
if people are in other counties and would like to
understand more about this because the last time this was
invoked by counties was like in the seventies, right in
the early seventies, so fifty years.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, well it was nineteen seventy five. I believe it
was in Weld. I don't know exactly when it was
in Pitkin, but it has been a long time. And
so what you can do if you're not able to attend,
please do join us in person if you can next
Tuesday evening at North Star Academy in Parkers doors open
at six and then the program the town hall begins
(06:47):
at six thirty.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
How much space is there, I mean, like how many people.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, it can hold a fair amount. I mean we
don't know what to expect because we're just opening it wide.
This is public, by the way, that is very key.
Invite your friends, just invite people who just want to know.
But if you can't make it for some reason, we
will be recording it and then it will be posted
afterwards on the Douglas County Citizenry page. There's a private group,
but this will be on the page so everyone can
(07:12):
see it. Once again, just to serve the public to
be informed and make the best decisions possible.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I have to read this to you. Okay, honestly, this
is laughable.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
This is why Debra is sitting here talking about how
we need to get to be able to talk about
things and inform ourselves. Wow, she really has it out
for these guys. Oh, you're gonna have to rouse all
the liberals and this won't pass. I'm confused. Why is
she going after this guys? It has to be personal.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Okay. This is so interesting to me, and one of the.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Things I've been focused on in the last several months
is how do we get back to civil discourse. We've
got to a point where people feel that if you
ask a question, it's an attack, right, and it's not.
We've got people that just want to know. Okay, how
is the charter commission selected? How is the charter created?
What are we voting on? What's in state law, what's
(08:04):
in counting law. I'd like to repeat very clearly, so
we do not presume one another's intent in any way,
which is also a fallacy in our public discourse to
presume to.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Know what's thinking.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'm a smaller government, local control advocate, as a constitutional conservative,
I feel like we've gotten to a point where we
aren't allowed to be informed. And the question I would
have for anyone is what would be the fear of being.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Fully informed with a harm?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yes, exactly what a harm comes from asking questions to
understand something better?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Because anyone that does not feel something can hold up
to just having a full understanding of the parameters. That
is a concern because I, you know, I have no
default against home role in any way, shape or form.
We've heard from so many people that are like, I
don't understand exactly and I want to know more. And
many of those people say to me, you know what,
(08:59):
I think I towards this, but I just want to
be informed. And by the way, for those who didn't
hear this earlier part, it's a service even for I
believe for the commissioners who are proposing this, because the
reality is it passes, let's say, and then people have
a false expectation that it means you can opt out
of all of these state laws. Well, that just sets
(09:20):
up for aggravation later because there is misunderstanding.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Everyone is best served.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And once again, just to say, Douglas County citizenry is
an organization that is solely focused on informing and equipping,
not advocating lobbying.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And the other thing too, is.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
This is all about the policy and the principles. There
will be no personal attacks, and anyone who's planning and
attending just know those are our very strict guidelines. There
will be no name calling, there will be no personal attacks,
and if there are, you will be politely asked to.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Lay down or leave.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So that is the bent, and and I hope that
I can repeat that again if we'd like.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I found that very very funny. Yeah, I truly did.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Okay, And after the event it's going to be posted,
so if you miss the event, you can go see it,
but make your plans today. Deb Flora, thank you so much,
first of all for putting this in. I know that
you and your husband work your tails off to try
and elevate the dialogue, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I'm looking forward to being a.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Part of the event, not just to moderate, but to
learn more about home rule myself, because people keep asking me,
and I'm like, I have no idea what to tell you.
I don't understand the concept, I don't understand the difference.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So I'm looking forward to learning all that as well.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
At one hundred percent, I want to clarify one thing
to Douglas County citizenry. There's an entire group of citizens
that form that, but we're just happy to serve honestly,
that is it. And thank you Mandy for being a
part of that. And I really hope people come to
be informed.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And have just the facts. That's all we'll be focusing on.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Thank you, Deb Flora. We'll be right back
My partner in grime, my friend, my sister from another mister.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Whenever you say partner in crime, I just think that's
where the rumors begin. We have not done anything illegal
together and.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
That we know solies are aspirational for us. Someday when
we just completely come on glued, You're going to see
us driving across the country in a Ford Thunderbird. But
we're not going to go over a cliff because that
seems unsafe.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Now we're evil Knievel styles.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It will be a ramp on the other side and
it will be glorious to watch.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Evil kept crashing in the canyons. Moving on.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
No, no, we're better than that.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Okay, So next Tuesday there is a forum on home
rule in Douglas County and you guys have assembled as
part of Douglas County citizenry, a rock solid lineup I mean,
and the moderators on this event there are you know it.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I've heard they were the very best, so we did
everything to get them and they're doing.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It for free.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They are such rivers. That would be Deborah and me.
By the way, we will be moderating the event.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
In case you didn't know what is early about Oh,
you got it absolutely for anyone who isn't aware, a
home rule is something that is in the Colorado Constitution,
but as of now, only two counties have actually adopted that,
and that is Picking County and Well County. Now Douglas County,
which is both of your and my home, is considering it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And I think the reason why we're doing this.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I absolutely believe what the founding father said, A well
educated citizenry is a key to a free republic. And
it's a confusion. It's a confusing concept. And I want
to say upfront, I am a limited government, a small
government person by nature. But home rule is confusing Douglas
County citizenry. Who is hosting this is simply doing a
(01:46):
non biased, informative town hall.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So people can ask all the questions.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Because it's that's an important part of what our process is.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
We are going to hear from Douglas County Commissioner George Teel.
He is part of the three commissioner group who moved
this forward and will hopes to be a part of
the Charter Commission. We're going to find out why the
county commissioners want to move in this direction. We've got
who else, Sherry Davis, she's the Douglas County Clerk. What
role is she going to play in this?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Well, what's involved in this And I'm not going to
talk about the specifics here because I'm as confused as
many folks, and so we're going to hear from the experts.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
This involves a couple of.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Different elections, both for a charter commission and then eventually
for approving a charter if this is what the people
of Douglas County consider. And then we also have the
Douglas County Attorney because we want to know what's that
separation between state law and county law. And then in
addition we have from Weld County, which is one of
only two counties that is currently a home world county.
(02:45):
We have Commissioner Scott James and also their county attorney,
Bruce Barker, who will be a part of this as well.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So they'll be able to clarify, yes, what advantages they
enjoy in welld County and what challenge is what differences
they have as a home world county.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So we'll actually be able to get real world data.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yes, absolutely, and you know what I appreciate about the
Douglas County citizenry and those folks that we're hearing as
this is formulating. Most people just want information. They're they're
they're not coming in with a bias. This is not
to be a.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Debate for or against.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
This is to be purely of service to the citizens
to answer questions. And that's that's what you, by the way,
have to get back to in our culture, the ability
to ask questions and be informed without it feeling like
it is antagonistic. It's not asking questions is simply allowing
citizens to be informed and then make an educated choice.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Devil Flora is my guest, and we're talking because a
Texter just said, maybe I missed it. I don't think
you actually said her name. Oh Hia. This is happening
Tuesday night. We wanted to bring it to your attention
to you can put it on your calendar. It's happening
in Parker at North Star Academy. That's on Keystone Boulevard.
It's very very easy to fine. Doors open at six
(04:02):
the event begins at six thirty. We have a lot
of people on this panel, and I know personally somebody
at the text line and said, Mandy, can you please
ask Dab why she doesn't like home rules. Have you
made an opinion on this, because I am I am
an open I am an open like I'm open to
be convinced.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's exactly what I just stated at the beginning, and
I appreciate that, you know, if that person misperceived how
I stated it. I'm a constitutional conservative. I believe government
was most meant to be at the local level. There,
you know, citizens have a greater say. That's why schools
are supposed to be definitely local control.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So that is my bent and my default. We're just
trying to.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Have a robust conversation about what it means, what doesn't
I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
And by the way, for everyone that wants to vote.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
For home rule, we're also hopefully doing a service because
if it does pass, there will not be any false
conceptions about what it means or what it doesn't mean.
That just sets people up for aggravation later. There is
definitely an intersection between state law and county law, and
let's find out what that is so then everybody can
be fully informed.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And it's different than Denver because Denver is a city
county home rule situation. It's different than a municipality, yes,
that has adopted home rule status. So there's a lot
of nuances to this, and there is I have not
talked to a single person that feels like they have
a handle on this at all.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I agree, And what I think we've lost in our
culture is the ability to come together and hear fully
so people feel empowered. I mean, when I was running
for Congress, we did a twenty five percent voter turnout
in the primary. What that says to me was seventy
five percent of the people either were disengaged or did
not feel enabled to make a decision.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
So there is a fault in the process here. So
we also don't want people to sit out on.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
This vote if they are for it just because they're confused,
or if they're against it because they need more information,
and maybe it'll persuade either side in either direction. To clarify, again,
this is not to be a debate on the pros
and cons. This is informative. That's what a town hall is.
It's a service. Everybody involved is volunteering their time to
serve the citizens of Douglas County to have full information.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So if people can't make it to the event, or
if people are in other counties and would like to
understand more about this because the last time this was
invoked by counties was like in the seventies, right in
the early seventies, so fifty years.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, well it was nineteen seventy five. I believe it
was in Weld. I don't know exactly when it was
in Pitkin, but it has been a long time. And
so what you can do if you're not able to attend,
please do join us in person if you can next
Tuesday evening at North Star Academy in Parkers doors open
at six and then the program the town hall begins
(06:47):
at six thirty.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
How much space is there, I mean, like how many people.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, it can hold a fair amount. I mean we
don't know what to expect because we're just opening it wide.
This is public, by the way, that is very key.
Invite your friends, just invite people who just want to know.
But if you can't make it for some reason, we
will be recording it and then it will be posted
afterwards on the Douglas County Citizenry page. There's a private group,
but this will be on the page so everyone can
(07:12):
see it. Once again, just to serve the public to
be informed and make the best decisions possible.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I have to read this to you. Okay, honestly, this
is laughable.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
This is why Debra is sitting here talking about how
we need to get to be able to talk about
things and inform ourselves. Wow, she really has it out
for these guys. Oh, you're gonna have to rouse all
the liberals and this won't pass. I'm confused. Why is
she going after this guys? It has to be personal.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Okay. This is so interesting to me, and one of the.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Things I've been focused on in the last several months
is how do we get back to civil discourse. We've
got to a point where people feel that if you
ask a question, it's an attack, right, and it's not.
We've got people that just want to know. Okay, how
is the charter commission selected? How is the charter created?
What are we voting on? What's in state law, what's
(08:04):
in counting law. I'd like to repeat very clearly, so
we do not presume one another's intent in any way,
which is also a fallacy in our public discourse to
presume to.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Know what's thinking.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I'm a smaller government, local control advocate, as a constitutional conservative,
I feel like we've gotten to a point where we
aren't allowed to be informed. And the question I would
have for anyone is what would be the fear of being.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Fully informed with a harm?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yes, exactly what a harm comes from asking questions to
understand something better?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Because anyone that does not feel something can hold up
to just having a full understanding of the parameters. That
is a concern because I, you know, I have no
default against home role in any way, shape or form.
We've heard from so many people that are like, I
don't understand exactly and I want to know more. And
many of those people say to me, you know what,
(08:59):
I think I towards this, but I just want to
be informed. And by the way, for those who didn't
hear this earlier part, it's a service even for I
believe for the commissioners who are proposing this, because the
reality is it passes, let's say, and then people have
a false expectation that it means you can opt out
of all of these state laws. Well, that just sets
(09:20):
up for aggravation later because there is misunderstanding.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Everyone is best served.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And once again, just to say, Douglas County citizenry is
an organization that is solely focused on informing and equipping,
not advocating lobbying.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And the other thing too, is.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
This is all about the policy and the principles. There
will be no personal attacks, and anyone who's planning and
attending just know those are our very strict guidelines. There
will be no name calling, there will be no personal attacks,
and if there are, you will be politely asked to.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Lay down or leave.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So that is the bent, and and I hope that
I can repeat that again if we'd like.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I found that very very funny. Yeah, I truly did.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Okay, And after the event it's going to be posted,
so if you miss the event, you can go see it,
but make your plans today. Deb Flora, thank you so much,
first of all for putting this in. I know that
you and your husband work your tails off to try
and elevate the dialogue, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I'm looking forward to being a.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Part of the event, not just to moderate, but to
learn more about home rule myself, because people keep asking me,
and I'm like, I have no idea what to tell you.
I don't understand the concept, I don't understand the difference.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So I'm looking forward to learning all that as well.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
At one hundred percent, I want to clarify one thing
to Douglas County citizenry. There's an entire group of citizens
that form that, but we're just happy to serve honestly,
that is it. And thank you Mandy for being a
part of that. And I really hope people come to
be informed.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
And have just the facts. That's all we'll be focusing on.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Thank you, Deb Flora. We'll be right back
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