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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This week, we're talking to longtime Dutchess County cheerleader Charlie North,
past president and chairman of the Duchess County Regional Chamber
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of Commerce, as he reflects on his life pre and
post the Chamber. Welcome back, you're listening the Hudson Valley
this morning. That Kowalski and we have.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
A very special guest in all the movie Beatle Juice,
I do work street time. Let me try something than local,
Thank local, Thank local, Holy crab. Charlie North is here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Charlie North just appeared in the studio. When you shop,
when you die, and even when you shop online, think
local first. I like that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He's we heard that for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I mean, did you put that to music, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Actually, my son Joseph did. There's a jingle? Say it again?
When you shop when you died, and even when you
shop online, think local first.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, and he means it what he says it, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's his mantra, that's his life mission. That has been
your life. How long have I known you, Charlie. It's
got to be twenty years? Oh yeah, yeah, good, twenty
years absolutely, uh yeah, maybe even more because we worked
together when h o all. Yes, you were you. You
were our personnel guy. I was the I was the HR.
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You were the one, you know, the guy that everybody played.
I got that check. That's right, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We we had some experiences over there.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We did. I remember one time I had a fire
somebody him. I was in Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I do remember that. I do remember the whole scenario.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
ED represented the chamber on the HR side. I had
to be there to fire, so we did a zoom.
It was a zoom of video. It wasn't called zoom
at the time. But I let this person go and
I remember distinctly I had a shirt and a tie
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on and shorts in shorts, and I fired this person
on zoom. Yeah. Do you remember that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I do remember that, Charlie. I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Terrible experience. Well, it happens, it happens, It happens, It happens, Charlie.
You know it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You know, as long as I've known you, I really
didn't know your full story, and and you shared that
with me yesterday, and just for the I want our
listeners to hear it, because one of the things that
is fascinating about you that I just learned yesterday is
that you were raised by hearing impaired parents, and because
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of that, your first language was sign language.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That is correct. Yes when I was first born, comunicated
with my parents with sign language. And at the age
of three, my parents said, you know, we've got to
get this kid to speak. And there was a neighbor
that lived behind us. Her name was Helen Seacam. She
was a retired school teacher and she volunteered every afternoon
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for me to come over and we talk and I
have cookies, and.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And you remember that, you remember, I.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Remember it like it was yesterday. And I remember her husband, Henry.
He would take me for a ride. We'd go to
the train station and see the train. We'd go to
Westchester County Airport and watch the little planes come in.
He took me to the circus. Now, this is growing
up in Portchester, New York. Portchester, New York, the home
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of it Sullivan.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, I was good training for the years and.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The that's right. We had a lot of elephants and donkeys.
And I say that because of the political exactly right.
And Henry Sikhan bought me a little radio so I
could be connected to the outside world. And I remember
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that little Emerson radio. I listened to Arthur Godfrey or
in the early days. And then my parents thought they
should buy a television so I could be connected to
the outside hut. Now even though they couldn't enjoy it themselves.
They couldn't enjoy it, but they couldn't afford it either.
But they scraped the money together.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And there was no close caption back in those No, No.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
They scraped the money together. It's a little ten or
twelve inch screen. And the reason why they bought that
TV was because every Tuesday night, Milton Burrow was on
and nobody in the neighborhood had a TV. And my
parents would invite hearing people over to watch TV so
I could be associated and talk to hearing people. Wow, yeah,
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I could reme by them setting up the bridge chairs
in the living room to watch this little TV that you.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Know, what what a wonderful story and what a great up.
I think about what loving parents you have and the
fact that you know and we can say he's he's
closing it on eighty and he still remembers he looks
this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He looks great. I lost my hair though, but you
wear it well, Charlie. Yeah, I feel pretty good for
the age. Yeah, and you look good. I'm blessed, believe
you know.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It's funny when you say that. I mean I was
thinking about I'm a big old movie buff, and I
can remember speaking about being you know this your story
about being raised by hearing impaired parents. Lon Chaney, the
correct Lon Chaney was the same situation, and he and
I remember, I'm a little bit too young to remember
Lon Cheney the actor, but of course I remember James
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Cagney playing Lon Chaney the Man with Man of a
Thousand Faces, and that was a very big part of
the movie in terms of him being hearing a paired
and and signing to his own children.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now. Interestingly enough, my parents loved horror movies and because
there was expression, ah, and I think I was the
only kid that ever went to the movies with subtitles,
foreign movies because my parents could read what they were saying.
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And I was so bored because I had to go
to the theater with him, the movie theater. But they
wanted to see this movie because it has up times.
And Charlie, here's a question for you about your parents.
And you have a brother, right, I do, Okay, when
you guys were born, were they concerned whether or not us? Oh? Yeah,
oh yeah, they were very concerned. And you know, I
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could still remember my father saying to his mother when
my brother was born, he's normal. Really, yep, he's normal.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And there's that wonderful scene in Man of a Thousand
Faces where Jimmy Cagney goes over playing Lawn Cheney. He
goes over to the crib where his son is born
and he just claps his hands ye, and the baby cries.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So of course, now the eventage Charlie has that we
don't have is, you know, Tina, every now and then
we'll you know, complain that I have selective hearing. Charlie
can say, well, it's in my DNA, it's not my fault.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Do you still do you still sign.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know, my parents always encouraged me to speak h
per the advice of Helen s Can. So I would
speak to them. I mean I had a a different version.
I mean I do American sign. I can't do it
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well anymore, but we had a special way of communicating
because my parents wanted me to speak with them. Now,
you could never ever sneak anything by my parents. They
knew how to read lips.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I'm just gonna ask that.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And my father had that sixth sense of looking at
a person and knowing what kind of person they were.
You know, I could remember him saying to me, don't
trust that guy. I'm telling you he's not your friend.
And when I got to be a banker and a
branch manager and I had lending authority, I would say
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to my father, I want you to come into the bank,
sit down and look at these people that apply for loans.
Let me know if they're going to pay me. Now,
what did your father do for a living. My father
worked for Arnold Bakery. Yes, he was a baker and
he was there for thirty five years, never missed a
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day of work, never, he was just devoted to his job.
Paul Dean Arnold hired him, and he asked my father
to bring in some of his friends to work. Because
my mother and father they were they had no outside interference,
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no radios, no phones, no nothing. They worked that was there.
That was their Interesting when my mother retired at the
age of seventy nine, Now did she work at the
bakery too, No, my mother actually was a piece worker.
First she did she would work for a hat factory
and they did pieces. You know, you got I think
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a penny a piece for every piece she did. Then
after that she got a job with Hilty Corporation. They
hired her and trained her. She came a key punch operator,
and then she graduated to other work in the computer field,
no kidding. And when my mother retired at eighty, they
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gave her a big party and her boss said to me,
your mother was the best worker we ever had. She
was never on the phone, she was she just did
her job. We asked her to do something, it got done.
It got done earlier than anybody else would do because
they concentrated on their work.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You know, it's interesting that when you bring us up today,
hearing imperative blindness is considered a disability, but back from
what you're saying, all the employers listening to us right now,
you're giving them a reason to hire people.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Can tell you something, Tom Tom.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
In Speckingkill has been looking for a job now for
as long as I've known him, and he claims because
he's blind that he doesn't get the opportunity. But what
Charlie is saying with his parents, it could be an
attribute for somebody to hire.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No American with disabilities and there was nothing there to
protect him. You know, at a very young age, at
the age of four, I was interpreting for my parents
going store to store or doing going to the doctors
with them. Wow, and they you know, that was our life.
That was the way it was. My parents drove, they
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had cars.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know, Tarli, we have to take a quick break,
but I wanted to when we come back, I wanted
to just sort of talk to you about how that
formative experience in your life propelled you on to do
the things that you've done. And certainly when I met
you you were very successful running the chamber, and what
that formative experience did in terms of how you approached
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what's going on, that's an interesting little connection that I
want to be able to draw.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We will be right back with we will. We will
be right back Charlie, without a doubt, all of us,
all of us, including uncle Mike. You're listening.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Five work this morning. I got into day.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Indeed, my pob was working as well. Seven two Charlie
you okay, oh yeah, okay, hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Seven two On Monday morning, we are rejoined by Charlie North,
businessman extraordinary in the Dutchess County area. It's a lot
of pressure, it is a lot of pressure, but it's
it's it's a good accolade. I've known Charlie for a
long time and he's always been a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And and now that now that's not true. I'm not
always Charlie.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Let's continue your conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, you know, I mean, how that formative experience
that you had, I mean you're eighty years old now
and you certainly you know you that's who you are, right,
that is who you are.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
How do you feel that, you know, growing up in
that household, you know, learning the things that you needed
to learn, being able to be the interpreter in your family?
How did that did that?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Was?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Were those lessons something that you took forward in your
professional career, I think so.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I mean, look, I look at my parents, and I
looked at their honesty, their warmth, and their work ethic
they set. They they set an example. I didn't always
follow them. Tell you that right now. You know when
I became a teenager, you know, I I disappointed them, right,
but I came back. You know, Uh, it wasn't terrible.
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I mean, it wasn't like it is today. But you
know I got a license. When you get your license,
you know, you you do crazy things. Yeah, I have
to tell you that. I always was fascinated by their
work ethic and their honesty and their frankness with me.
And they depended on me, and I had to be
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there for him. You know, when Hilty, when my father retired,
my mom was still working for Hilty, and they relocated
to Tulsa, Oklahoma, and they wanted my mom to go Wow,
And they paid her their expenses. They sold their house
and moved them. And when my mother told me this,
I said, how could you leave me? You need me?
She said, no, we don't need you. So wait a second.
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So your parents actually picked up and moved to Oklahoma,
Oklahoma for a good ten years. Wow, And then when
my mom retired, they moved back and that was the
advent of the tty you know, the telephone communications. So
their world started to open up. So you felt annoyed
that they were you correct, how could you do this?
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You need me?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You know, it's interesting that and as well as I know, Charlie,
I mean, I think I've heard bits and pieces of
this over the years. But what to me, I'm sitting here,
what a great child to me? What a wonderful childhood?
And I know that sounds crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It was assessed because it clearly was formative.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I mean yeah, well above and beyond formative. It seemed
like a really great way to If you told somebody,
you know, I'm going to be raised by deaf people,
they would But the way you just described it, what
a great way to grow up, I.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Mean it was it was Listen, there were challenges, don't
get me wrong. You know kids were cruel. People were cruel. Yeah,
I do you remember specifically like bringing friends over and
your friends being like, what's going on? I'm a little
you know, most of my friends were accepting the fact
they knew beforehand what the situation was. It's when we
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went out in public. You know. I could remember one
day going to ride beach with my mom, and my
mom signing to me, you want to hot dog or
a Hamburger, and some older kids making fun of my mom.
And I turned around and this guy was big, and
I went over to him and my mother grabbed me.
I was going to punch him, you know, and my
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mother grabbed me and she screamed at me and she said,
just walk away. Yeah, and those you know people were cruel,
you know, you know, I can remember one time calling
people calling my mom and dad freaks. Yeah, But I
also remember the time where my mom and dad would
go to a school concert and watch me play the clarinet.
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They wouldn't hear a note, but they were there, proud
as any other parent. So it's more common than most
people think. And today that people they they really have
it a lot easier than my poor parents did they.
My parents they didn't struggle, but they had their challenges,
and it was an interesting way to grow up. And
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people say, well, how was it? And I would turn
to people and say, you're Italian. You spoke Italian in
your household. We spoke sign language in our household. That's
how it was. That was our commons.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Right, amazing, just amazing. How do you think your parents
would have actually done today, you.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Know, with all the advances that they have, well, you know,
they my father and mother were actually able to live
it the tty the close captioned on the TV finally came.
They must have thought like, wow, look at this. The
whole new world opened up to them. I mean, it
was just totally phenomenal. I think now I wish that
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they had that when I was growing up, so they
could be more in tune. But you know, you said
something incredibly incredibly moving off air. You said that they
were very accepting of their of their disability, and they
were sort.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Of like, well, this is this is this is this
is this is the hand we were dealt, and we're going.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
To deal with it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's the old they got handed and they made lemonade exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know. Yeah, my you know, I could remember my mother.
We were driving home one night, it was dark. She
got pulled over by a cop and he started to
talk to her and I said, no, my mother is deaf.
He says, well, what is she doing driving?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I said, well she's got a license, she can see.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Is that what the cop said?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, and my mother just looked at him, gave her
a smile. She was a very beautiful woman, and he
let her go go ahead, go yeah, a great story? Yeah, great, great,
great slightly stories playing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know, your vision and your hearing. When you think
about it, we take it for granted. Oh yeah, and
think about you know, it would be good for some
people to go one day without being able or see
or hear and realize what people would these conditions have
to live with. It would change your person. I think
it would change everybody's perspective.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Think about if we couldn't hear. Well, some people would
be happy you couldn't hear, but you know it's you know,
think about that you can't do what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I think there's a lot of people out there say
I wish I couldn't be I wish I wasn't hearing
these guys this morning. Oh I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Out there.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
AIP resuming our fascinating conversation with Charlie North.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So it's interesting, ed before we go any for this.
So Charlie is a dear friend. Yes, and Charlie is
someone my dad's been going for since two thousand and nine,
and over the years things that I've thought about doing.
Charlie is usually who I go to and more that
we talk. I realize now why he's talking about his
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father was a pin setter back in the day. Well,
my father's father died when he was ten years old.
He was the man of the house. He had to
go to work and that's one of the things he did.
It's amazing when you start going out the.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Twin setter being defined as someone who set the pins
up in a bowling air.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Back in the day, there was no machine, there was humans.
He set the pins. That was one of the things
my dad did to put food on the table for
instant family.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You know, Charlie, as your career progressed, I mean, as
I said, I've known you twenty years, but I mean,
you know, if we fast forward to where you began
in this area, not only your career through banking and
all of the financial services, you even did some work
here at WK.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I paint I guess indeed you did, Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But in nineteen ninety two you were appointed the President
and CEO of the Poughkeepsie Area Chamber of Commerce. That's correct,
and one of the things that I found fascinating in
terms of how you described it, and one of the
things that I've always been and we spoke about it
on air. You know, the Duchess County area is a
very insular area.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, you're either part of the crew or you're
not part of the crew, and sometimes you may not
ever really fit in. You write about being able to
have the difficulties of being appointed perhaps maybe with people
who didn't want.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You appointed to that role.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Talk to us about that. That was very evident. You know,
there was the old Guard, that was the good old
boys as they called them, not all of them, but
there were some that would prefer not having me as
the Chamber president. Now, the board, the complexion of the
board was changing. There were younger people coming on the
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board and I was a bit younger at the time,
and luckily, when it came time for the vote, the
majority of the board voted to hire me. And believe me,
it was not a picnic when I first got there. Well,
I don't I don't know the reason why. Maybe I
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was young, maybe I wasn't cocky, but I was young
and I had different ideas and the Chamber was a
little key gentleman's organization.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Members, pay your dues.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
This that wasn't they didn't. They weren't profitable if they
broke even it was a good year. And we just
say below the surface, don't rock the boat, don't question
the mayor, don't question the senator. This is what we
do well. You know, the Chamber to me was like
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a union. We represented businesses and not for profits. And
if they felt they were getting an unfair shake, like
the MTA tax or anything else, we're to go to
our elected officials and say, hey, let's keep moving, holding
people accountable. Absolutely. You know, most of my Chamber counterparts
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in the state, they would we would have a state
day in Albany and they'd all go up to Albany
and visit their states senators and assembly people. And they'd
go to Washington too. And I used to say, why
would I want to go there? They represent me. If
I want to talk to them, they have offices here.
I don't have to waste the day up in Albany
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talking to them. And I most of the time didn't
go because if I wanted to talk to senator, there's
the Land or Assemblyman Miller or whoever. I pick up
the photo, call him and say, look, I got a
problem here. You got to help me out with us.
I did go occasionally, but not as often as the
rest of them went, because hey, I'm paying you to
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be here. You represent me. So it was a different world.
They were slapping people on the back, and they were
playing up to the politicians and the elected officials, and
I didn't see it that way. Hey, we elected you,
you represent us. We need now. When I first got in,
I will admit I did the same thing. But then
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I got to realize, wait a minute, Now there's a
pothole here, you got to fix this. Or we talked
to right or the street lights out in front of
the pizzeriath and he claims it's unsafe. You need to
get somebody to fix that.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Street Ler and Charlie, that's how you and I first
became friends. I mean you were a client of mine. Yes,
So so from that perspective, I can remember sharing many
a conversation in your office. The regulatory burdens that employers face.
We've done whole shows about it in New York State. Charlie,
Uncle Mike and I have new businesses in here, and
we're trying to be able to just use this show
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as a platform to be able to have people come
in talk about their businesses, talk about Dutchess County, talk
about what they're hoping to be able to do, and
we invariably ask them the question, when you first open
your doors in New York State and in Duchess County,
were you surprised at what you didn't know? And everybody
that we've asked that question to said, ed, we had
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no idea just in regards to just how complicated it
was and how many things.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That we didn't know we needed to do. New York
State is the worst state in the Union to do business,
no question. And if you're going to live in New
York State, you better live in the Hudson River Valley
because that's the best part of the state to live in.
Other than that, I don't know where we're.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Going, you know. You know, Charlie, it's interesting that you
say that, because if if you think about it, I
grew up in Manhattan, there's no way. First of all,
I couldn't afford to live in Manhattan with my family
right now because Manhattan has become something that is it
certainly wasn't the Manhattan. I grew up in right and
then to your point, you know, you go an hour
north of where we are right now, or maybe eve
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an hour and a half north or west, there's parts
of New York State that are really it's like, wow,
what's happened here?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, it gets back to what Charlie was talking about though,
and we talk about it all the time. How many
of the elected officials that we talked to that taking
that oath of all forgotten the oath and forgotten that
they're public servants. And Charlie described it perfectly. Their public servants.
They work for us, All of them work for us.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And it's on both sides of the eye. Oh yeah, absolutely,
you know. I mean, look, I I was always I've
always believed, and we have this election now and we
have a new president. We had a former president. I've
always respect at the office. I didn't care whether what
party they were they got in, they were the president. Okay,
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we deal with it. It's not like that anymore. No,
it's not like that anymore, you know, if we don't
get it together soon.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But on the local level, Charlie, we look at some
of our local officials and some of them are public servants.
I've got a county executive right now is a public servant,
but some of the other county executives around the state
aren't public servants. I never forgot when oh, the congressman
before Chris Gibson, No, Chris, Chris was somebody who should
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have been in the White House. I thought the former
congressman anyway, he was one. When he came into an
event or a town, he came in with an entourage.
You think Elvis was coming, and he's a public servant,
and these people are all on the public dime, and
and to talk to him you had to talk to
three people before you could talk to him. That's I
don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
We you know, I just had I served on a
couple of not for profit boards and we wanted to
pull together a couple of elected officials to talk to
them about a challenge that we have. And to get
through to some of the offices was horrendous. Yeah, and
to get return call back was outrageous. And of course,
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being retired, I had plenty of times. So I became
a real pain in the neck and I kept on
calling and had a lower opinion of you, I don't care.
I don't care. What have I got to I mean,
instead of it was yeah, yeah, well I was going
to say that, but I realized that we're on radio. However,
some not all, but some of our politicians are not
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elected officials. They're politicians, okay. And then then there's the
other side of the spectrum. Will you have some non
politicians that luckily became elected officials and serve us. But
that's a good way of putting it, Charlie, that's a
really good way of being able to put it. That's
the way it is politic. You know, I was the
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most non political political person you could ever meet with.
It was Chamber president because I had to be friends
with everybody. I'm not a registered Democrat, nor am I
registered Republican. I was an independent. I voted for the person,
not for the party. I never gave my views. I
never told anybody how I felt, because that's the way
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it was. Charlie. Now that you say that I never knew,
I don't think you and I ever had one political
conversation at all. Now I think we had many conversations
over I don't understand why this person in this elected
office isn't returning my phone call? Correct? And we've had
lots of conversations about being able to can we put
together a meeting or a panel to be able to
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address the issue, But we never had a conversation abouh,
this is so and so democrat or this that's correct.
It wasn't about Democrat republic right. It was about the person.
And that's the way all of us should look. And Charlie,
did you have You always reminded me when you were
running the Chamber any time, I mean listen, And there
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were clients that I would visit that I didn't really
like visiting, you know, but you always whenever I were
visiting you at the Chamber when you were running it,
there was an infectious sense of you having fun. I
had the best time in my life. I did. I had,
you know. They say if you if you're happy, you'll
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never work a day in your life. Listen. I've had
many jobs, but the Chamber job wasn't a job. It
was it was I just felt as if I was
helping people. I just had fun doing it. There was
an aura of show business in it, and I was
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always upbeat. I was always happy to be there.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Charlie, we have to take it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
But it's interesting quickly sure the point you just made.
Being in entertainment, you can't if I go on a
here and say I love Donald Trump, I just lost
half my audience. If I say, hey, the might lose
the other half. So you gotta go down the middle.
I respect the office as the president, whoever's in there,
and that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's right. That's it, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Stick around, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You're not going anywhere. You're listening in the Hudson Valley
this morning with At Kowalski on news Radio fourteen fifty
thirteen seventy AM ninety eight five FM. Charlie's gonna talk
about an idea that he's given Uncle Mike and I,
so we're gonna talk about it. He got a couple
of ideas, he's We've got a couple ideas. Stick around, folks. Boy,
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it's a lucky thing. I didn't go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Indeed, indeed, once we are back with Charlie North, but
I forgot when I did the intro to him where
I said think the local, think local.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You appeared I was thinking, thank god, he wasn't in
the shower when I did that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's right, That's exactly right. Charlie.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
You you one of the things that you did last week.
And Uncle Mike and I you know when when when?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
When? When? When?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
When?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
The broadcast week ends for us. Right, we're in on Friday,
Friday pretty much most of the day here, Mike is
doing his w r W D show. I'm sort of
catching up on a whole bunch of stuff, and we
spent like country Western. You know, I got to take something.
I like it more since I've been working with Uncle Mike.
I agree, I agree, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
So I've learned a lot about country music from him,
and and uh, more important, I've learned a lot about
the personalities of the performers and countries.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Country music is simple. It's three chords in the truth.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
All the old timers they said country music, Alan Jackson
will tell you that it's three chords in the truth.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Do you think anybody's listening to us this morning?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think they are listening to us. I mean it's
it's the schools are closed this morning. I mean the
phones that Jeff with a little quiet. I think people
are sort of like oh, they have a day oftener
and just not wanting to get out and script their cars,
just wondering. But no, I think people will listen. I
think people. I mean, we do get a tremendous amount
of I know people listen because I'm out in the public.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
So much a lot. Do you know they're listening right now?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Though, well you can't. How are you gonna tell?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I don't know. It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, if there's anybody out there listening, please call the
phone right now, so Charlie knows I's somebody listening, and.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Charlie knows to available to take your phone calls. Folks,
if you want to get most at eight four or
five seven one controversial now, just keep it simple. Eight
four or five four seven one nine five four seven,
and Charlie's with us till nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
You can talk to him about anything on your line.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
There's a lot of ideas besides the one we're going
to talk about now that Charlie has had and that's
why he's going to be part of the show. You know,
Charlie when so Ed and I have been talking about
doing the show for quite some time, and there was
an obstacle in our way that is no longer there
that well and when And that's why I'm still here
because Ed and I agreed that we were going to
do it together. And one of the things was that
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you have said for years is it's got to be local.
It's got to be based on local. And as soon
as Ed and I started, I said, well, it's going
to be local. We've got to have Charlie involved, I said,
because Charlie is local. That's what's what it is. Charlie
was all about local local. Well both local, they play
off each other all it works pretty well usually. But
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one of the reasons you know, we're hoping Charlie is
going to continue to be with us, you know, is
because you you built you know that think local first
and everybody you know you have your saying that you
do all the time. But that's real. I mean, that's
what you spent your whole career doing with the chamber.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
That's very true. Yeah, yep, yep. I have to tell
you though, that that really propelled us to the top
the Think Local First campaign, and I also need to
give credit to those that helped us do it. And
there are a couple of people in radio that really
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promoted it for us, and.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It really really Joe Daily is one.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Joe Daly was one. Joe Daly is such a professor
and he absolutely is. I've learned so much by just
listening to him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You talk about a true professional. And people used to
ask me what is Joe Daily really like? And I
would say, what you hear is what you got. There's
no question about it, no change. Reggie. Reggie is very
helpful to me. Smart Bulger. Sure, there's a bunch of Charlie.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
A listener just texted me saying, tell Charlie, I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So there are people listening. Thank you, Thank you, Joanne.
Yeah yeah, that really to John from Pleasant Valley from
me is listening as well. Thank you John. Okay, John,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
No, no, no, but but you know, and it's interesting
because you know, when, when when the idea and when
I was so grateful to be approached by w k
P to say, listen, you know, would you be interested
in doing the morning show. I spoke to Mike and
I said, listen, you know one of the things that
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Be able to do.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
National is important to me, and National is important to
people in the Hudson Valley and they've got opinions on
the national side, and we do discuss the national issues
because we have to, but at the same time, bringing
it back down to the local area to talk about
the things that are going on are so important and
that's why we want this show to be a platform
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for people in the local areas to talk about their issues,
their concerns.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And hold people accountable.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
That's the fun of doing this job for me.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Eachley.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
We'll be right back with Charlie North businessmen extraordinary in
the Dutchess County area. We are up in our last
ten minutes of the Monday Show, Uncle Mike, And as
you know, today is Martin Luther King's birthday.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What about ninety six years old today and he only
had thirty nine years on the planet. Charlie, it's hard
to believe he accomplished what he did, for.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He sure did. He certainly made a big, big difference.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Around the world.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
He did. Yeah, he was one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And we were talking about a fascinating conversation with your
upbringing and the parallels between you and my father are incredible.
But my father used to and one of the things
I never forgot was. He would repeat from Martin Luther's
King Junior speech, you should be judged by the content
of your character and not the color of your skin.
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And my father enforced that, and he did not allow
that in the household. Anybody would say something and he
would come down on them like a ton of bricks
because he said, you can't judge a book by its cover.
And then he would go on to say, like Martin
Luther says, you cannot judge anybody by the color of
their skin. It's the content of their character. And I
never forgot that, and he was indicnant about it. And
it's helped me through the years because it made a difference.
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My parents were. There was no discrimination. Yeah, everybody was accepted.
And also my wife Joan the same way. Interesting or bla,
you're blessed, And I'm blessed with Tina, because they wouldn't
be with us if they didn't accept everything.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I'm telling you that, it's very true. You got that right.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
She gets right at me. Tarly. She'll tell me you're
gonna go to hell for saying that. I tell her
I got a lot of friends down there. I'll be fine.
She gets mad. But anyway, Yeah, but I just think
the significance of when you when you look back at
his history and I think he was only on the
planet for thirty nine years, and what he accomplished is
still ringing true.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Today's stellar. It's stellar. He had a short time, but
look at what he accomplished in that very short period
of time.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
You know what movie that whenever I see it coming
up on TV or if I see it available for rent,
I think I might've even downloaded it. Have you ever
seen Mississippi Burning with Gene Hackman. I did not well
that that that story revolves around the three students from
one of which was from Pelham, New York, one of
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the freedom writers of Mississippi, And boy, I got to
tell you something, it's a hard movie to watch specific
to what was going on in Mississippi in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I can't believe that our country has gone through that.
And well sixty three and I graduated in high school.
I mean, this was in my lifetime. And we just
watched a movie last night about Martin Luther King strangely enough,
and I just can't believe what these people, these people
(37:34):
went through, But I can relate because I know what
I went through as a child with my parents and
the discrimination. Sure, if you have an opportunity to watch it,
it's a phenomenal performance by Gene Hackman.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
William Dafoe is in it. As a matter of fact,
I think Gene Hackman might have won the Academy Award
for it. But I'm a certain Mississippi burning and you
watch it and you say wow, yeah, wow. It's the
same thing with the Holocaust. Sure people went through and
see but you know, Charlie, to that point, you know,
(38:10):
we can't forget that. We can't we if we begin
to forget that, we're doomed to repeat it.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, yea, Well, we had one.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Of the the had the historian. There was a town
of Poughkeepsie historian was a historian.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
We had in here the.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Person who runs the Dutchess County Historical Society.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And the point is you can't erase history, and you
can't ever forget history, both the good and the bad,
because you have to.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Learn about it. You got to know about it.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And they should continue to teach it, yeah, for sure,
and not bury it, not edit it, not taking down
statues and trying to change the history is just a mistake.
Because and you know the old adage, his history repeats itself.
So if you don't pay attention, it's going.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
To come back hit you. Yeah, yeah, in the in
the bottom, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
To your point, how many times have you heard people
say the Holocaust never occurred?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Oh yeah, oh sure. Listen, we lost family in that.
I didn't know them. It was before my time. But
my grandmother I could still hear her talking about it.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah. You know, my father was when he was a teenager.
My grandfather was a civilian architect with the United States
Army and he actually moved to Europe. So he took
my father out of high school here, took him over
to high school in Germany, and my father to the
day he died, he would tell us a story about
getting an unsanitized tour of Buchenwald. Oh boy, and he goes.
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He said, you can't imagine it.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
No, you can't imagine it. And even what you see
in film, it's not even the even scratch the surface.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Well again, I couldn't watch Shindol Schindler's List all the
way through.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
We just watched it a bout a week. Again, you can't,
I can't watch the whole thing all the way through.
You know, it was difficult to watch, but I couldn't
stop watching it. My wife and I both felt the
same way. I didn't want to see it, but I
had to right that funny, right, yeah, right right. It's
a good movie. Yeah, very well done. And to your point,
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Uncle Mike being thirty nine years old, having that sort
of motivation, you know, that sort of he needed to
do what he needed to be able to do. He
sacrificed everything he was a kidne years old.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
In a lot of ways. He for a good time.
He had the whole world against him too, true, sure, you.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Know, and I never gave up. And I will tell
you this.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We only have one more minute. But I would love
to be able, you know, to be able to just
question him, if we could to talk about what, what
are you pleased with? What's going on? What do you
just pointed in.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
In terms of what's happening. I don't think he would
be well.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
There's a lot of things that I think he wouldn't
be pleased with. I think at the same time, there
are a couple of things I think he would be
pleased with. But that's that's that's a that's and that's
all part of being able to remember his legacy and
apply that legacy today. Yes, and hopefully, folks, if you're
listening and your kids are home from school.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Think about that. You know, watch Mississippi Burning with them,
Watch Mississippi Burning, and say this is what was going
on at one point in time that that caused Martin
Luther King to say this far and no further.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I hope your kids are home of school, because there's
no school today, so if they're not there, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Once again. Thank you, Uncle Mike for correcting my analysis there.
Thank you, Charlie, Thank you very much for coming on
and back again.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Thank you. Don't forget those potholes. I'm on it. We're
on it. Thank you very much. Folks.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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This week, we're talking to longtime Dutchess County cheerleader Charlie North,
past president and chairman of the Duchess County Regional Chamber
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of Commerce, as he reflects on his life pre and
post the Chamber. Welcome back, you're listening the Hudson Valley
this morning. That Kowalski and we have.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
A very special guest in all the movie Beatle Juice,
I do work street time. Let me try something than local,
Thank local, Thank local, Holy crab. Charlie North is here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Charlie North just appeared in the studio. When you shop,
when you die, and even when you shop online, think
local first. I like that.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
He's we heard that for quite a while.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I mean, did you put that to music, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Actually, my son Joseph did. There's a jingle? Say it again?
When you shop when you died, and even when you
shop online, think local first.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, and he means it what he says it, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's his mantra, that's his life mission. That has been
your life. How long have I known you, Charlie. It's
got to be twenty years? Oh yeah, yeah, good, twenty
years absolutely, uh yeah, maybe even more because we worked
together when h o all. Yes, you were you. You
were our personnel guy. I was the I was the HR.
(01:35):
You were the one, you know, the guy that everybody played.
I got that check. That's right, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
We we had some experiences over there.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We did. I remember one time I had a fire
somebody him. I was in Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I do remember that. I do remember the whole scenario.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
ED represented the chamber on the HR side. I had
to be there to fire, so we did a zoom.
It was a zoom of video. It wasn't called zoom
at the time. But I let this person go and
I remember distinctly I had a shirt and a tie
(02:14):
on and shorts in shorts, and I fired this person
on zoom. Yeah. Do you remember that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I do remember that, Charlie. I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Terrible experience. Well, it happens, it happens, It happens, It happens, Charlie.
You know it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You know, as long as I've known you, I really
didn't know your full story, and and you shared that
with me yesterday, and just for the I want our
listeners to hear it, because one of the things that
is fascinating about you that I just learned yesterday is
that you were raised by hearing impaired parents, and because
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of that, your first language was sign language.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That is correct. Yes when I was first born, comunicated
with my parents with sign language. And at the age
of three, my parents said, you know, we've got to
get this kid to speak. And there was a neighbor
that lived behind us. Her name was Helen Seacam. She
was a retired school teacher and she volunteered every afternoon
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for me to come over and we talk and I
have cookies, and.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And you remember that, you remember, I.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Remember it like it was yesterday. And I remember her husband, Henry.
He would take me for a ride. We'd go to
the train station and see the train. We'd go to
Westchester County Airport and watch the little planes come in.
He took me to the circus. Now, this is growing
up in Portchester, New York. Portchester, New York, the home
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of it Sullivan.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, I was good training for the years and.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The that's right. We had a lot of elephants and donkeys.
And I say that because of the political exactly right.
And Henry Sikhan bought me a little radio so I
could be connected to the outside world. And I remember
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that little Emerson radio. I listened to Arthur Godfrey or
in the early days. And then my parents thought they
should buy a television so I could be connected to
the outside hut. Now even though they couldn't enjoy it themselves.
They couldn't enjoy it, but they couldn't afford it either.
But they scraped the money together.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And there was no close caption back in those No, No.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
They scraped the money together. It's a little ten or
twelve inch screen. And the reason why they bought that
TV was because every Tuesday night, Milton Burrow was on
and nobody in the neighborhood had a TV. And my
parents would invite hearing people over to watch TV so
I could be associated and talk to hearing people. Wow, yeah,
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I could reme by them setting up the bridge chairs
in the living room to watch this little TV that you.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Know, what what a wonderful story and what a great up.
I think about what loving parents you have and the
fact that you know and we can say he's he's
closing it on eighty and he still remembers he looks
this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
He looks great. I lost my hair though, but you
wear it well, Charlie. Yeah, I feel pretty good for
the age. Yeah, and you look good. I'm blessed, believe
you know.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
It's funny when you say that. I mean I was
thinking about I'm a big old movie buff, and I
can remember speaking about being you know this your story
about being raised by hearing impaired parents. Lon Chaney, the
correct Lon Chaney was the same situation, and he and
I remember, I'm a little bit too young to remember
Lon Cheney the actor, but of course I remember James
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Cagney playing Lon Chaney the Man with Man of a
Thousand Faces, and that was a very big part of
the movie in terms of him being hearing a paired
and and signing to his own children.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Now. Interestingly enough, my parents loved horror movies and because
there was expression, ah, and I think I was the
only kid that ever went to the movies with subtitles,
foreign movies because my parents could read what they were saying.
(06:22):
And I was so bored because I had to go
to the theater with him, the movie theater. But they
wanted to see this movie because it has up times.
And Charlie, here's a question for you about your parents.
And you have a brother, right, I do, Okay, when
you guys were born, were they concerned whether or not us? Oh? Yeah,
oh yeah, they were very concerned. And you know, I
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could still remember my father saying to his mother when
my brother was born, he's normal. Really, yep, he's normal.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And there's that wonderful scene in Man of a Thousand
Faces where Jimmy Cagney goes over playing Lawn Cheney. He
goes over to the crib where his son is born
and he just claps his hands ye, and the baby cries.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So of course, now the eventage Charlie has that we
don't have is, you know, Tina, every now and then
we'll you know, complain that I have selective hearing. Charlie
can say, well, it's in my DNA, it's not my fault.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Do you still do you still sign.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know, my parents always encouraged me to speak h
per the advice of Helen s Can. So I would
speak to them. I mean I had a a different version.
I mean I do American sign. I can't do it
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well anymore, but we had a special way of communicating
because my parents wanted me to speak with them. Now,
you could never ever sneak anything by my parents. They
knew how to read lips.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I'm just gonna ask that.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And my father had that sixth sense of looking at
a person and knowing what kind of person they were.
You know, I could remember him saying to me, don't
trust that guy. I'm telling you he's not your friend.
And when I got to be a banker and a
branch manager and I had lending authority, I would say
(08:22):
to my father, I want you to come into the bank,
sit down and look at these people that apply for loans.
Let me know if they're going to pay me. Now,
what did your father do for a living. My father
worked for Arnold Bakery. Yes, he was a baker and
he was there for thirty five years, never missed a
(08:43):
day of work, never, he was just devoted to his job.
Paul Dean Arnold hired him, and he asked my father
to bring in some of his friends to work. Because
my mother and father they were they had no outside interference,
(09:08):
no radios, no phones, no nothing. They worked that was there.
That was their Interesting when my mother retired at the
age of seventy nine, Now did she work at the
bakery too, No, my mother actually was a piece worker.
First she did she would work for a hat factory
and they did pieces. You know, you got I think
(09:30):
a penny a piece for every piece she did. Then
after that she got a job with Hilty Corporation. They
hired her and trained her. She came a key punch operator,
and then she graduated to other work in the computer field,
no kidding. And when my mother retired at eighty, they
(09:52):
gave her a big party and her boss said to me,
your mother was the best worker we ever had. She
was never on the phone, she was she just did
her job. We asked her to do something, it got done.
It got done earlier than anybody else would do because
they concentrated on their work.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You know, it's interesting that when you bring us up today,
hearing imperative blindness is considered a disability, but back from
what you're saying, all the employers listening to us right now,
you're giving them a reason to hire people.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Can tell you something, Tom Tom.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
In Speckingkill has been looking for a job now for
as long as I've known him, and he claims because
he's blind that he doesn't get the opportunity. But what
Charlie is saying with his parents, it could be an
attribute for somebody to hire.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
No American with disabilities and there was nothing there to
protect him. You know, at a very young age, at
the age of four, I was interpreting for my parents
going store to store or doing going to the doctors
with them. Wow, and they you know, that was our life.
That was the way it was. My parents drove, they
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had cars.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know, Tarli, we have to take a quick break,
but I wanted to when we come back, I wanted
to just sort of talk to you about how that
formative experience in your life propelled you on to do
the things that you've done. And certainly when I met
you you were very successful running the chamber, and what
that formative experience did in terms of how you approached
(11:22):
what's going on, that's an interesting little connection that I
want to be able to draw.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
We will be right back with we will. We will
be right back Charlie, without a doubt, all of us,
all of us, including uncle Mike. You're listening.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Five work this morning. I got into day.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Indeed, my pob was working as well. Seven two Charlie
you okay, oh yeah, okay, hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Seven two On Monday morning, we are rejoined by Charlie North,
businessman extraordinary in the Dutchess County area. It's a lot
of pressure, it is a lot of pressure, but it's
it's it's a good accolade. I've known Charlie for a
long time and he's always been a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And and now that now that's not true. I'm not
always Charlie.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Let's continue your conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, you know, I mean, how that formative experience
that you had, I mean you're eighty years old now
and you certainly you know you that's who you are, right,
that is who you are.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
How do you feel that, you know, growing up in
that household, you know, learning the things that you needed
to learn, being able to be the interpreter in your family?
How did that did that?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Was?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Were those lessons something that you took forward in your
professional career, I think so.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I mean, look, I look at my parents, and I
looked at their honesty, their warmth, and their work ethic
they set. They they set an example. I didn't always
follow them. Tell you that right now. You know when
I became a teenager, you know, I I disappointed them, right,
but I came back. You know, Uh, it wasn't terrible.
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I mean, it wasn't like it is today. But you
know I got a license. When you get your license,
you know, you you do crazy things. Yeah, I have
to tell you that. I always was fascinated by their
work ethic and their honesty and their frankness with me.
And they depended on me, and I had to be
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there for him. You know, when Hilty, when my father retired,
my mom was still working for Hilty, and they relocated
to Tulsa, Oklahoma, and they wanted my mom to go Wow,
And they paid her their expenses. They sold their house
and moved them. And when my mother told me this,
I said, how could you leave me? You need me?
She said, no, we don't need you. So wait a second.
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So your parents actually picked up and moved to Oklahoma,
Oklahoma for a good ten years. Wow, And then when
my mom retired, they moved back and that was the
advent of the tty you know, the telephone communications. So
their world started to open up. So you felt annoyed
that they were you correct, how could you do this?
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You need me?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You know, it's interesting that and as well as I know, Charlie,
I mean, I think I've heard bits and pieces of
this over the years. But what to me, I'm sitting here,
what a great child to me? What a wonderful childhood?
And I know that sounds crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
It was assessed because it clearly was formative.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I mean yeah, well above and beyond formative. It seemed
like a really great way to If you told somebody,
you know, I'm going to be raised by deaf people,
they would But the way you just described it, what
a great way to grow up, I.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Mean it was it was Listen, there were challenges, don't
get me wrong. You know kids were cruel. People were cruel. Yeah,
I do you remember specifically like bringing friends over and
your friends being like, what's going on? I'm a little
you know, most of my friends were accepting the fact
they knew beforehand what the situation was. It's when we
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went out in public. You know. I could remember one
day going to ride beach with my mom, and my
mom signing to me, you want to hot dog or
a Hamburger, and some older kids making fun of my mom.
And I turned around and this guy was big, and
I went over to him and my mother grabbed me.
I was going to punch him, you know, and my
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mother grabbed me and she screamed at me and she said,
just walk away. Yeah, and those you know people were cruel,
you know, you know, I can remember one time calling
people calling my mom and dad freaks. Yeah, But I
also remember the time where my mom and dad would
go to a school concert and watch me play the clarinet.
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They wouldn't hear a note, but they were there, proud
as any other parent. So it's more common than most
people think. And today that people they they really have
it a lot easier than my poor parents did they.
My parents they didn't struggle, but they had their challenges,
and it was an interesting way to grow up. And
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people say, well, how was it? And I would turn
to people and say, you're Italian. You spoke Italian in
your household. We spoke sign language in our household. That's
how it was. That was our commons.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Right, amazing, just amazing. How do you think your parents
would have actually done today, you.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Know, with all the advances that they have, well, you know,
they my father and mother were actually able to live
it the tty the close captioned on the TV finally came.
They must have thought like, wow, look at this. The
whole new world opened up to them. I mean, it
was just totally phenomenal. I think now I wish that
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they had that when I was growing up, so they
could be more in tune. But you know, you said
something incredibly incredibly moving off air. You said that they
were very accepting of their of their disability, and they
were sort.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Of like, well, this is this is this is this
is this is the hand we were dealt, and we're going.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
To deal with it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It's the old they got handed and they made lemonade exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You know. Yeah, my you know, I could remember my mother.
We were driving home one night, it was dark. She
got pulled over by a cop and he started to
talk to her and I said, no, my mother is deaf.
He says, well, what is she doing driving?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I said, well she's got a license, she can see.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Is that what the cop said?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, and my mother just looked at him, gave her
a smile. She was a very beautiful woman, and he
let her go go ahead, go yeah, a great story? Yeah, great, great,
great slightly stories playing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You know, your vision and your hearing. When you think
about it, we take it for granted. Oh yeah, and
think about you know, it would be good for some
people to go one day without being able or see
or hear and realize what people would these conditions have
to live with. It would change your person. I think
it would change everybody's perspective.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Think about if we couldn't hear. Well, some people would
be happy you couldn't hear, but you know it's you know,
think about that you can't do what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I think there's a lot of people out there say
I wish I couldn't be I wish I wasn't hearing
these guys this morning. Oh I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Out there.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
AIP resuming our fascinating conversation with Charlie North.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
So it's interesting, ed before we go any for this.
So Charlie is a dear friend. Yes, and Charlie is
someone my dad's been going for since two thousand and nine,
and over the years things that I've thought about doing.
Charlie is usually who I go to and more that
we talk. I realize now why he's talking about his
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father was a pin setter back in the day. Well,
my father's father died when he was ten years old.
He was the man of the house. He had to
go to work and that's one of the things he did.
It's amazing when you start going out the.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Twin setter being defined as someone who set the pins
up in a bowling air.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Back in the day, there was no machine, there was humans.
He set the pins. That was one of the things
my dad did to put food on the table for
instant family.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You know, Charlie, as your career progressed, I mean, as
I said, I've known you twenty years, but I mean,
you know, if we fast forward to where you began
in this area, not only your career through banking and
all of the financial services, you even did some work
here at WK.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I paint I guess indeed you did, Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But in nineteen ninety two you were appointed the President
and CEO of the Poughkeepsie Area Chamber of Commerce. That's correct,
and one of the things that I found fascinating in
terms of how you described it, and one of the
things that I've always been and we spoke about it
on air. You know, the Duchess County area is a
very insular area.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You know, you're either part of the crew or you're
not part of the crew, and sometimes you may not
ever really fit in. You write about being able to
have the difficulties of being appointed perhaps maybe with people
who didn't want.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You appointed to that role.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Talk to us about that. That was very evident. You know,
there was the old Guard, that was the good old
boys as they called them, not all of them, but
there were some that would prefer not having me as
the Chamber president. Now, the board, the complexion of the
board was changing. There were younger people coming on the
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board and I was a bit younger at the time,
and luckily, when it came time for the vote, the
majority of the board voted to hire me. And believe me,
it was not a picnic when I first got there. Well,
I don't I don't know the reason why. Maybe I
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was young, maybe I wasn't cocky, but I was young
and I had different ideas and the Chamber was a
little key gentleman's organization.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Members, pay your dues.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
This that wasn't they didn't. They weren't profitable if they
broke even it was a good year. And we just
say below the surface, don't rock the boat, don't question
the mayor, don't question the senator. This is what we
do well. You know, the Chamber to me was like
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a union. We represented businesses and not for profits. And
if they felt they were getting an unfair shake, like
the MTA tax or anything else, we're to go to
our elected officials and say, hey, let's keep moving, holding
people accountable. Absolutely. You know, most of my Chamber counterparts
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in the state, they would we would have a state
day in Albany and they'd all go up to Albany
and visit their states senators and assembly people. And they'd
go to Washington too. And I used to say, why
would I want to go there? They represent me. If
I want to talk to them, they have offices here.
I don't have to waste the day up in Albany
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talking to them. And I most of the time didn't
go because if I wanted to talk to senator, there's
the Land or Assemblyman Miller or whoever. I pick up
the photo, call him and say, look, I got a
problem here. You got to help me out with us.
I did go occasionally, but not as often as the
rest of them went, because hey, I'm paying you to
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be here. You represent me. So it was a different world.
They were slapping people on the back, and they were
playing up to the politicians and the elected officials, and
I didn't see it that way. Hey, we elected you,
you represent us. We need now. When I first got in,
I will admit I did the same thing. But then
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I got to realize, wait a minute, Now there's a
pothole here, you got to fix this. Or we talked
to right or the street lights out in front of
the pizzeriath and he claims it's unsafe. You need to
get somebody to fix that.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Street Ler and Charlie, that's how you and I first
became friends. I mean you were a client of mine. Yes,
So so from that perspective, I can remember sharing many
a conversation in your office. The regulatory burdens that employers face.
We've done whole shows about it in New York State. Charlie,
Uncle Mike and I have new businesses in here, and
we're trying to be able to just use this show
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as a platform to be able to have people come
in talk about their businesses, talk about Dutchess County, talk
about what they're hoping to be able to do, and
we invariably ask them the question, when you first open
your doors in New York State and in Duchess County,
were you surprised at what you didn't know? And everybody
that we've asked that question to said, ed, we had
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no idea just in regards to just how complicated it
was and how many things.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
That we didn't know we needed to do. New York
State is the worst state in the Union to do business,
no question. And if you're going to live in New
York State, you better live in the Hudson River Valley
because that's the best part of the state to live in.
Other than that, I don't know where we're.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Going, you know. You know, Charlie, it's interesting that you
say that, because if if you think about it, I
grew up in Manhattan, there's no way. First of all,
I couldn't afford to live in Manhattan with my family
right now because Manhattan has become something that is it
certainly wasn't the Manhattan. I grew up in right and
then to your point, you know, you go an hour
north of where we are right now, or maybe eve
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an hour and a half north or west, there's parts
of New York State that are really it's like, wow,
what's happened here?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, it gets back to what Charlie was talking about though,
and we talk about it all the time. How many
of the elected officials that we talked to that taking
that oath of all forgotten the oath and forgotten that
they're public servants. And Charlie described it perfectly. Their public servants.
They work for us, All of them work for us.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And it's on both sides of the eye. Oh yeah, absolutely,
you know. I mean, look, I I was always I've
always believed, and we have this election now and we
have a new president. We had a former president. I've
always respect at the office. I didn't care whether what
party they were they got in, they were the president. Okay,
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we deal with it. It's not like that anymore. No,
it's not like that anymore, you know, if we don't
get it together soon.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
But on the local level, Charlie, we look at some
of our local officials and some of them are public servants.
I've got a county executive right now is a public servant,
but some of the other county executives around the state
aren't public servants. I never forgot when oh, the congressman
before Chris Gibson, No, Chris, Chris was somebody who should
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have been in the White House. I thought the former
congressman anyway, he was one. When he came into an
event or a town, he came in with an entourage.
You think Elvis was coming, and he's a public servant,
and these people are all on the public dime, and
and to talk to him you had to talk to
three people before you could talk to him. That's I
don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
We you know, I just had I served on a
couple of not for profit boards and we wanted to
pull together a couple of elected officials to talk to
them about a challenge that we have. And to get
through to some of the offices was horrendous. Yeah, and
to get return call back was outrageous. And of course,
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being retired, I had plenty of times. So I became
a real pain in the neck and I kept on
calling and had a lower opinion of you, I don't care.
I don't care. What have I got to I mean,
instead of it was yeah, yeah, well I was going
to say that, but I realized that we're on radio. However,
some not all, but some of our politicians are not
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elected officials. They're politicians, okay. And then then there's the
other side of the spectrum. Will you have some non
politicians that luckily became elected officials and serve us. But
that's a good way of putting it, Charlie, that's a
really good way of being able to put it. That's
the way it is politic. You know, I was the
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most non political political person you could ever meet with.
It was Chamber president because I had to be friends
with everybody. I'm not a registered Democrat, nor am I
registered Republican. I was an independent. I voted for the person,
not for the party. I never gave my views. I
never told anybody how I felt, because that's the way
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it was. Charlie. Now that you say that I never knew,
I don't think you and I ever had one political
conversation at all. Now I think we had many conversations
over I don't understand why this person in this elected
office isn't returning my phone call? Correct? And we've had
lots of conversations about being able to can we put
together a meeting or a panel to be able to
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address the issue, But we never had a conversation abouh,
this is so and so democrat or this that's correct.
It wasn't about Democrat republic right. It was about the person.
And that's the way all of us should look. And Charlie,
did you have You always reminded me when you were
running the Chamber any time, I mean listen, And there
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were clients that I would visit that I didn't really
like visiting, you know, but you always whenever I were
visiting you at the Chamber when you were running it,
there was an infectious sense of you having fun. I
had the best time in my life. I did. I had,
you know. They say if you if you're happy, you'll
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never work a day in your life. Listen. I've had
many jobs, but the Chamber job wasn't a job. It
was it was I just felt as if I was
helping people. I just had fun doing it. There was
an aura of show business in it, and I was
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always upbeat. I was always happy to be there.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Charlie, we have to take it.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
But it's interesting quickly sure the point you just made.
Being in entertainment, you can't if I go on a
here and say I love Donald Trump, I just lost
half my audience. If I say, hey, the might lose
the other half. So you gotta go down the middle.
I respect the office as the president, whoever's in there,
and that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's right. That's it, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Stick around, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You're not going anywhere. You're listening in the Hudson Valley
this morning with At Kowalski on news Radio fourteen fifty
thirteen seventy AM ninety eight five FM. Charlie's gonna talk
about an idea that he's given Uncle Mike and I,
so we're gonna talk about it. He got a couple
of ideas, he's We've got a couple ideas. Stick around, folks. Boy,
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it's a lucky thing. I didn't go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Indeed, indeed, once we are back with Charlie North, but
I forgot when I did the intro to him where
I said think the local, think local.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
You appeared I was thinking, thank god, he wasn't in
the shower when I did that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's right, That's exactly right. Charlie.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
You you one of the things that you did last week.
And Uncle Mike and I you know when when when?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
When? When? When?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
When?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
The broadcast week ends for us. Right, we're in on Friday,
Friday pretty much most of the day here, Mike is
doing his w r W D show. I'm sort of
catching up on a whole bunch of stuff, and we
spent like country Western. You know, I got to take something.
I like it more since I've been working with Uncle Mike.
I agree, I agree, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
So I've learned a lot about country music from him,
and and uh, more important, I've learned a lot about
the personalities of the performers and countries.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Country music is simple. It's three chords in the truth.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's all it is.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
All the old timers they said country music, Alan Jackson
will tell you that it's three chords in the truth.
That's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Do you think anybody's listening to us this morning?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think they are listening to us. I mean it's
it's the schools are closed this morning. I mean the
phones that Jeff with a little quiet. I think people
are sort of like oh, they have a day oftener
and just not wanting to get out and script their cars,
just wondering. But no, I think people will listen. I
think people. I mean, we do get a tremendous amount
of I know people listen because I'm out in the public.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
So much a lot. Do you know they're listening right now?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Though, well you can't. How are you gonna tell?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I don't know. It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Okay, if there's anybody out there listening, please call the
phone right now, so Charlie knows I's somebody listening, and.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Charlie knows to available to take your phone calls. Folks,
if you want to get most at eight four or
five seven one controversial now, just keep it simple. Eight
four or five four seven one nine five four seven,
and Charlie's with us till nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
You can talk to him about anything on your line.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
There's a lot of ideas besides the one we're going
to talk about now that Charlie has had and that's
why he's going to be part of the show. You know,
Charlie when so Ed and I have been talking about
doing the show for quite some time, and there was
an obstacle in our way that is no longer there
that well and when And that's why I'm still here
because Ed and I agreed that we were going to
do it together. And one of the things was that
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you have said for years is it's got to be local.
It's got to be based on local. And as soon
as Ed and I started, I said, well, it's going
to be local. We've got to have Charlie involved, I said,
because Charlie is local. That's what's what it is. Charlie
was all about local local. Well both local, they play
off each other all it works pretty well usually. But
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one of the reasons you know, we're hoping Charlie is
going to continue to be with us, you know, is
because you you built you know that think local first
and everybody you know you have your saying that you
do all the time. But that's real. I mean, that's
what you spent your whole career doing with the chamber.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
That's very true. Yeah, yep, yep. I have to tell
you though, that that really propelled us to the top
the Think Local First campaign, and I also need to
give credit to those that helped us do it. And
there are a couple of people in radio that really
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promoted it for us, and.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
It really really Joe Daily is one.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Joe Daly was one. Joe Daly is such a professor
and he absolutely is. I've learned so much by just
listening to him.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You talk about a true professional. And people used to
ask me what is Joe Daily really like? And I
would say, what you hear is what you got. There's
no question about it, no change. Reggie. Reggie is very
helpful to me. Smart Bulger. Sure, there's a bunch of Charlie.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
A listener just texted me saying, tell Charlie, I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So there are people listening. Thank you, Thank you, Joanne.
Yeah yeah, that really to John from Pleasant Valley from
me is listening as well. Thank you John. Okay, John,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
No, no, no, but but you know, and it's interesting
because you know, when, when when the idea and when
I was so grateful to be approached by w k
P to say, listen, you know, would you be interested
in doing the morning show. I spoke to Mike and
I said, listen, you know one of the things that
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Be able to do.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
National is important to me, and National is important to
people in the Hudson Valley and they've got opinions on
the national side, and we do discuss the national issues
because we have to, but at the same time, bringing
it back down to the local area to talk about
the things that are going on are so important and
that's why we want this show to be a platform
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for people in the local areas to talk about their issues,
their concerns.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And hold people accountable.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
That's the fun of doing this job for me.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Eachley.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
We'll be right back with Charlie North businessmen extraordinary in
the Dutchess County area. We are up in our last
ten minutes of the Monday Show, Uncle Mike, And as
you know, today is Martin Luther King's birthday.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What about ninety six years old today and he only
had thirty nine years on the planet. Charlie, it's hard
to believe he accomplished what he did, for.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He sure did. He certainly made a big, big difference.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Around the world.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
He did. Yeah, he was one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And we were talking about a fascinating conversation with your
upbringing and the parallels between you and my father are incredible.
But my father used to and one of the things
I never forgot was. He would repeat from Martin Luther's
King Junior speech, you should be judged by the content
of your character and not the color of your skin.
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And my father enforced that, and he did not allow
that in the household. Anybody would say something and he
would come down on them like a ton of bricks
because he said, you can't judge a book by its cover.
And then he would go on to say, like Martin
Luther says, you cannot judge anybody by the color of
their skin. It's the content of their character. And I
never forgot that, and he was indicnant about it. And
it's helped me through the years because it made a difference.
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My parents were. There was no discrimination. Yeah, everybody was accepted.
And also my wife Joan the same way. Interesting or bla,
you're blessed, And I'm blessed with Tina, because they wouldn't
be with us if they didn't accept everything.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I'm telling you that, it's very true. You got that right.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
She gets right at me. Tarly. She'll tell me you're
gonna go to hell for saying that. I tell her
I got a lot of friends down there. I'll be fine.
She gets mad. But anyway, Yeah, but I just think
the significance of when you when you look back at
his history and I think he was only on the
planet for thirty nine years, and what he accomplished is
still ringing true.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Today's stellar. It's stellar. He had a short time, but
look at what he accomplished in that very short period
of time.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
You know what movie that whenever I see it coming
up on TV or if I see it available for rent,
I think I might've even downloaded it. Have you ever
seen Mississippi Burning with Gene Hackman. I did not well
that that that story revolves around the three students from
one of which was from Pelham, New York, one of
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the freedom writers of Mississippi, And boy, I got to
tell you something, it's a hard movie to watch specific
to what was going on in Mississippi in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I can't believe that our country has gone through that.
And well sixty three and I graduated in high school.
I mean, this was in my lifetime. And we just
watched a movie last night about Martin Luther King strangely enough,
and I just can't believe what these people, these people
(37:34):
went through, But I can relate because I know what
I went through as a child with my parents and
the discrimination. Sure, if you have an opportunity to watch it,
it's a phenomenal performance by Gene Hackman.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
William Dafoe is in it. As a matter of fact,
I think Gene Hackman might have won the Academy Award
for it. But I'm a certain Mississippi burning and you
watch it and you say wow, yeah, wow. It's the
same thing with the Holocaust. Sure people went through and
see but you know, Charlie, to that point, you know,
(38:10):
we can't forget that. We can't we if we begin
to forget that, we're doomed to repeat it.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, yea, Well, we had one.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Of the the had the historian. There was a town
of Poughkeepsie historian was a historian.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
We had in here the.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Person who runs the Dutchess County Historical Society.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And the point is you can't erase history, and you
can't ever forget history, both the good and the bad,
because you have to.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Learn about it. You got to know about it.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And they should continue to teach it, yeah, for sure,
and not bury it, not edit it, not taking down
statues and trying to change the history is just a mistake.
Because and you know the old adage, his history repeats itself.
So if you don't pay attention, it's going.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
To come back hit you. Yeah, yeah, in the in
the bottom, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
To your point, how many times have you heard people
say the Holocaust never occurred?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Oh yeah, oh sure. Listen, we lost family in that.
I didn't know them. It was before my time. But
my grandmother I could still hear her talking about it.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah. You know, my father was when he was a teenager.
My grandfather was a civilian architect with the United States
Army and he actually moved to Europe. So he took
my father out of high school here, took him over
to high school in Germany, and my father to the
day he died, he would tell us a story about
getting an unsanitized tour of Buchenwald. Oh boy, and he goes.
(39:49):
He said, you can't imagine it.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
No, you can't imagine it. And even what you see
in film, it's not even the even scratch the surface.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Well again, I couldn't watch Shindol Schindler's List all the
way through.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
We just watched it a bout a week. Again, you can't,
I can't watch the whole thing all the way through.
You know, it was difficult to watch, but I couldn't
stop watching it. My wife and I both felt the
same way. I didn't want to see it, but I
had to right that funny, right, yeah, right right. It's
a good movie. Yeah, very well done. And to your point,
(40:27):
Uncle Mike being thirty nine years old, having that sort
of motivation, you know, that sort of he needed to
do what he needed to be able to do. He
sacrificed everything he was a kidne years old.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
In a lot of ways. He for a good time.
He had the whole world against him too, true, sure, you.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Know, and I never gave up. And I will tell
you this.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We only have one more minute. But I would love
to be able, you know, to be able to just
question him, if we could to talk about what, what
are you pleased with? What's going on? What do you
just pointed in.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
In terms of what's happening. I don't think he would
be well.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
There's a lot of things that I think he wouldn't
be pleased with. I think at the same time, there
are a couple of things I think he would be
pleased with. But that's that's that's a that's and that's
all part of being able to remember his legacy and
apply that legacy today. Yes, and hopefully, folks, if you're
listening and your kids are home from school.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Think about that. You know, watch Mississippi Burning with them,
Watch Mississippi Burning, and say this is what was going
on at one point in time that that caused Martin
Luther King to say this far and no further.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I hope your kids are home of school, because there's
no school today, so if they're not there, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Once again. Thank you, Uncle Mike for correcting my analysis there.
Thank you, Charlie, Thank you very much for coming on
and back again.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Thank you. Don't forget those potholes. I'm on it. We're
on it. Thank you very much. Folks.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
We'd love it if you tuned in to Hudson Valley
This Morning with Ed Kowalski from six to nine am
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