Brian Tooley Racing joins the show

Brian Tooley Racing joins the show

Episode Transcript

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Garage. Willie Bee's garage is nowopen. Man. We just watched this
video these robots blowing up a cybertruck or trying to shoot at it,
and I'm like, is that real? I hope not, of course.
See I still think I could outrunan autonomous driver, and you probably think

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I couldn't. Oh God, herehe goes again. No, no,
I you continue to try to twistthe narrative. Now again' What was was
a narrative that with electronic assistance,people are faster, period certain people,
not certain people. Everybody's faster.You could tell the whatever till the cows

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come home. You can't do severalthousand and I love how you play it
off with a continual laugh, butit's the reality is you can't monitor thousand
times a second all the things thatall the systems can do. You could
argue one plane of it, butyou can't argue every system, all the
electronics assistance out there, from ABS, the traction control, stability control to

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you know damp. Mean, allthis stuff has made people faster. It
just has. You can't take amechanical mechanical systems and equate the same lap
time as you can with electronic consistence. It's just it's well, it just
it just seems to minimize the driver. Look, I know, I know,

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I know, and that's your that'swhat you do. Go for it
services. I'm not arguing that.I'm simply saying the electronic consistence makes things
faster, and you just try totwist the narrative to continue this argument.
It's not an argument. I lovedriving, I love wheeling. I'm up
for it, and for for now, I would I would say you're probably

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right. A human is faster thanautonomous car because they haven't got you know,
they haven't had enough seat time tomake that that hasn't been there their
go. That's not how they testthose cars. They're too busy worried about
safety and warranty work and all theother stuff to worry about trying to be
fast on a track. There willcome a day when it won't be.

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But right now, sure, ahuman's faster. But you can't argue that
the electronic assistence has provided and thetechnology has provided over the last you know,
decade plus, has made people faster. And I mean all of them
combined in the delta of it,in the in the crescendo, of applications

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right, stability control, traction controlabs, all these things right, uh,
active yacht control, torque torque limitson wheels dedicated right by the amount
of slippage. All these things makea faster driver. That's that was what

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I was say. You wanted tomake it about it was a machine versus
man, you know, freaking PaulBuddy versus the chainsaw, and it is
not that at all. I'm simplyarguing that they make people faster. Would
I would agree with everything you saidif you switch safer with faster, because

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you know it's not safer, it'sfaster periods faster, it's just faster.
You can't. There's just too muchdata out there that a that a human
can't. You know, a humancan't process that fast. And you know
you can take all the spilly controltracks and control active out control, you
take all that crap off of car, make everything mechanical, and an electronic

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consistent car would drag your ass inevery scenario, every scenario. Well,
I have not tested every active handlingcar, but the ones that I have
tested, it's still faster for meto drive it with everything off, then
with the enhancements on. That's whatI can say, Yeah, but you're

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not turning you're not turning off bywire, you're not turning off ABS.
You're not You're still using the functionalityof all these electronic assistant assisted systems in
a car. And if you takeall that nonsense off, you're not going

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to be faster. And I don'twant to get it twisted. I enjoy
all these enhancements, but you listento what you're saying. Look at the
points you're trying to argue, they'reridiculous. Now, the anticipation versus the
machine, that's what we're talking Okay, No, that's not what we're talking
about. That's what you continue cantry to continue to twist and contort it
to. And I can tell youwhat it's about. Electronic assistance on cars

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make people faster. It's not aboutman or reaction or anticipation over blah blah
blah. It's simply stayed in thefact electronic assistance on all these applications from
ABS, the traction control, thetorque you know, factory and a certain
torque and slip and active yah controland electronic damping and you know, all

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these stability control, all these things. You know, you could argue fuel
injection is a part of it.It's it's all made people faster. It's
you can't take mechanical breaks, mechanicalyou know, no tracks control all that
nonsense and think that you're going tobe faster. It's ridiculous and it's and
you're trying to make it an argumentthat is completely off the off the the

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topic and the topic is electronics assistancemade things faster. But again, it
up anywhere you want, bro,I'm not arguing what you are. You
can try to take it down theroad, but it's all good. But
welcome to that. He came inhot on that because he got scorts last
week when Kevin my Ford engineer cameon and just chewed him up. Right,

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So he's been boiling on that theentire week. This dude, that's
step in the elevator. He's like, you know, I've been doing he
wanted to go from the moment.Hey, I appreciate it, though,
dude, apprecial one. The Formulaone thing. I mean, they got
faster and faster, so it's probablyabout equal. That's all I'm saying.
What is equal? In other words, Formula one with the enhancements and Formula

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one without the enhancement equal but hey, in your in your fairy tale world,
mechanical everything man and no electronic consistence. You could dream that the driver
could be faster, but it's notgonna happen, all right, But look,
we got a cool guest on.So if anybody knows anything about,

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you know, especially nowadays, thecamp shaft, I believe is one of
those things that's kind of like it'sso overlooked nowadays because people think that the
camp shaft is figured out, rightbecause how many years we've been, you
know, sort of banging off thesame idea, the same concept what it
does and how it does it.You would think that that was something that

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was you know, up past itsprime in what it could evolve to.
Right, It had ceiling, ithad all the technology, the R and
D that you could ever find outof a camshaft. We were milking it
for all the performance it was capableof providing right wrong. It's crazy with
technology and what you can find outsee again, computer assistance and tr Brian

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Tey Racing has been like the leaddude in this game for the last decade
and a half. So he's joinedus today to count so I had him
on right after the pandemic and itwas wild because during the pandemic, and
we'll get into this a little bit, he did some some research. He

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kind of was like, and yougotta understand Brian BTR Racing. You've heard
about him. He's on every freakingLS world record there is. He's doing
unbelievable. You know, he's it'sunbelievable. The Toru curse that he's that
he's finding, especially with the day'smodern blown applications, supercharged applications, you
know, turbos and more, it'sit's not to see and find where horsepower

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has gone to, where performance hasgone to. Case in point, if
you recall a few weeks ago,I had Terry Fairn, who again was
arguing against Mike Petterford's points. Hewas he was he was telling us that
he had a BTR cam, aBrian Teeley racing cam in one of his
track cars, and once he wentto the BTR cam, it made so

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much more power that it was betterfor him in the control scenario of what
you need on a road course totake the BTR cam out and put back
you know, another cam that didn'tmake as much power because he was faster
when when it was less of adirect hit, when the when the power

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came on over a gradual period versuslike a whip right. As you can
see, that's much more manageable.So yeah, so he had to take
that at that camp shaft down.So so Brian has found some amazing things
and we get to kind of breakthrough it and talk about that today when
it comes to cam shafts. Now, you think in modern applications, especially

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nowadays, when you know performance,you know is amazing performance nowadays it's just
mind blowing where supercharged cars are.You know where all these hot were even
you know, turboted up six cylindersand all these things are pretty fast out
there. It's amazing what you cando with a simple tune and a cam
swap. And like me, whetherit's performance, I had a So you

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know what do odas displacement on demand? That system in your car allows for
fuel efficiency demands to be met ona national level. How they scaled out
all the cars for all the EPArigs and rules and all that stuff,

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so they have basically, you know, limited that performance of a camshaft right
to where that efficiency is crossing theline like they can't go more because it
becomes less efficient and doesn't meet therequirements. Right. Well, Brian is
said, hey, we could throwthat right out the window. Here's fifty

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more horsepower, which is kind ofwild, so really cool and awesome to
just kind of break into his heada little bit. So that's on the
way as well as a couple otherguests a little bit later on the show,
fired up for it. We'll takea break, get backswing for the
fence. Michael Pettiford, go forit services, he was ready to go
day dog. It was awesome.It was like, uh, Willy B.

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Welcome to it. Man with hisgarage is one of no kvp I
Willy B's garage. You're back inWilly B's garage. Hey, man,
welcome to it on your snowy Saturdayafternoon. God, this is the worst

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hot ride weather ever. It is. Man, However, look a lot
of people taking the time, youknow, on good Saturday like this to
turn up the shop, fire upthe old hot ride, get back to
the build. And none better toassist than that than who we have on
the phone with us right now,a man Brian Tuley a bt R B
to our racing it's b to ourRacing Online. Oh there you go,

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man? Uh is it BTR RacingOnline? Oh? Yeah, you there?
Yeah, there you are? Bro. Yeah. Hey, what's the
website? Hey, Brian? Youthere? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
I'm here website. Yeah, what'syour website? Brian dot com? So

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I always called BTR. Everybody Italked to, you know, was a
bt R. I was telling himbefore the uh, before the the break
that we had Terry Farrow in acouple of weeks ago talking to him and
he was mentioning that he had ahe was trying to find the right combination
for for his LS set up,and he had a BTR cam there and

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it made so much more power.He had to put the the weaker camshaft
back in it because it made thecard just a little bit more controllable,
uh, with less power in it. And I was like, as as
we're talking to him, I'm like, that's my man, Brian, Uh,
make it make it more power thaneverybody else, which is uh,
it's kind of wild when you thinkabout it. Everybody thought for such a

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long time that the camshaft for allyou know, intentions and purposes that had
been milked for every ounce of torqueand power that you could possibly get out
of it, and really nothing newwith it, at least on this end,
That's what it seemed like. Andnobody was coming up with anything new,
and everybody had the same you know, everybody quote had it figured out

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for whatever reason. But you allof a sudden became cam shaft whisper and
discovered something that really not a lotof people had paid a lot of attention
to. Yeah, in terms ofa couple of things, you know,
the cam kind of events, youknow, number one related to overlap events,

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but then also the lob design.And it's funny that you just said
what you said, because in Januarytwenty twenty, I'll never forget I had
arrived at the point. I wasjust like, you know, we were
testing everybody's cams against ours on theDino, and we're all making the same
power, and you know, andI was just like, well, shoot,
we're all making the same power roughly, and you know, whoever's you

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know, whoever can make a camfor less money is probably going to get
the business. And that's that.But there was, you know, something
related to the overlap alve of it. So I wanted to test it.
Only got to test that in midtwenty twenty and found way more power than
we thought we would ever find there. And then and then through my road
racing exploits, I had a thoughtabout how to change the rate of deceleration

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on the camlobe as it approaches thenose, and so tested that. And
then that was the first time thatwe actually saw a lobe make more power
on the dino and we better onthe spenteron at the same time, because
those two things always ran inverse toeach other. As the lobe got more
aggressive, right, it made morecrowd of dino, but then it was
less dynamically stable in the spentron.Yeah, and why is that? Why

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normally is that the case where doesit start to lose some stability in that
overlap? Well you know, wellyou have to think about you know,
overlap is completely separate from lolobe design, right, you know, so the
overlap events are one thing, right, the lobe design you know, uh,
the way we're decelerating that lobe now, so up to that point,

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you know, if you've ever seenwhat an acceleration curve of a can blobe
design looks like, you know,as we would increase the peak opening acceleration.
You know, the can would makemore power engine dino, but then
it was less dynamically stable on thespentron, and then you could decrease that
peak opening acceleration. Of course,you know it looks better on a spentron,
but then it makes us power todino. And that's when we fundamentally,

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you know, change the shape.So we've back to back a couple
of lobes who are actually developing thatGen five to twenty camera at that time.
So two lobes, both to twentyduration, both same left and and
you know we're also baselining it againstcompetitors two twenty lobe about the same left
and on the spentron, our competitorslobe had about twenty five thousands closing bounce.

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Ours had five thousands closing bounces andit and it made five five force
power more on the dino. Nowfive horsepower doesn't sound like a lot,
but when you're dino testing two lobesthe same duration, same lift, there's
generally almost no horsepower difference between those. I mean, there's times we have
to change intake creation four or fivedegrees just to see five or ten horsepower.

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Wow, you know what I mean. So just to see foul force
power with the same resaggeration was Iknow, we just jumped right into a
you know, to some to somefix buttery stuff. But if you're you
know, if you're a performance basedguy, especially, you know, when
you're in a world where there arerestrictions, you have guidelines, this,

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that and the other. Certain youknow, whether it's you know, the
amount of few you can bring intothe the engine, or the restricter plate
or you know, however they wantedto. You know, sometimes it's cubic
inches and all this stuff, orsupercharger size. So it's wild to be
able to stumble upon this, youknow, this much horsepower and the sort

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of symbolic you know, differences thataren't there anymore there, you know,
instead of all that reverb. You'vegot that down to like I think you
said, five percent or somewhere inthat ballpark, Yeah, which is kind
of you know wild when you're thinkingabout how that all breeze moves and works.
It's this has kind of been inthis guy's pursuit for forever. Brian

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has just been this wild, weirdsign, this kind of the dude in
the lab tweaking and turning and makingyou know, sort of different approaches on
things that you know, we're thoughtto be sort of done or at least
you know, to a point whereeverybody was kind of making the same like
he He sort of set this conversationup with form those that don't know.

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Before you created btr Race and we'lltake a step back. You'd gone through
so many other sort of companies inthis sort of world. Give us a
little background on how this all startedfor you. Yeah, ninety three,
I started my first business tole enterflowed a lot of you know, flow
bench and started porting heads and youknow, and really that that stemmed from

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just a couple of years earlier.Me and buddy of mine had won the
every year in Balling Green, Kentucky, you know where I grew up and
lived. They had the Corvette homecomingand they would have King of the Hill,
and we actually won King of theHill one year. We're faster than
leaning filter car. You know,heads and intic I ported and you know,

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so that was really the start.Of course, I had already poorted
my own heads and stuff supporting headsfor all my buddies, and then started
that porting business. In ninety three. A bout two thousand and one,
I bought a five actses C andC two thousand and one to have a
true five acts of simultaneous CC machine. Porting heads was pretty dang rare.

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And you know about two thousand andthree, I'm pororting heads for pro Line
racing fishoff Texas. Pro Line isyou know that's the mac right. If
you got your name on proline stuff, you do, you're doing something really
right. Yeah, Tim went SteveHetty. If you remember when their Mustang
carried the front end all the wayto the eighth mile, that was that
was our sonar heads on that car. I'll get Steve Pedty out of jail

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one night. That guy was wild. Bro, that guy was a nut.
But wow he could in a car. Good God, he was awesome.
Yeah, yeah, that's hilarious.And uh, you know we we
had a lot of success with thetrick Flow heads and by two thousand and
three, Uh, trick Flow hadbecome interested in my business. Well,

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I guess the backup all the waythe ninety six and the In ninety six
I met the founder of trick Flow, Rick Smith, and he tried to
hire me to trick Flow but theydidn't hire me because I didn't have SC
experience. And then in two thousandand four they bought Total Engine Airflow from
me because of my seniors. Heporting expertise. Wow, And so you

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know, spend from twenty four totwenty ten, you know, moved to
Talmache, Ohio, where some attrick Flow is based out of because trick
Flow has been owned by Somemit sincenineteen ninety three. And you know,
so learned a lot there. Itell everyone, I went to Summit Racing
with almost a bachelor's degree and certainlyleft with the master's. Right, you

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know, what I learned the sixyears I worked there certainly set the foundation
for you know what BTR is today. You know from the springs that we
designed there that they they switched springvendor shortly after I left in twenty ten,
and so you know, I wentback to that spring vendor. We
hold too springs for six years withoutsingle failure. And so that was really

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the first product I started BTR withwith those spring kits, and then added
push rods and camshafts and gaskets andlifters and you know, everything anyone would
need for a camp swalk and justwent on from there and then you know,
we finally kind of arrived at forFork in the Road I think Texas
Speed about a campground here by aboutI think twenty sixteen timeframe, and so

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we were more on that Summit racingbusiness model. You know, we're just
buying and reselling. I mean,we're designing stuff or we're designer on cams.
We're really just picking the loads outof catalog. And you know,
in twenty seventeen we have company widemeeting. I was like, you know
what kind of trust roads here?Guys, Right, we're either going to
have to bring this development in houseand do it really well, tried to

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do it right than everyone else,or we're just going to rese all other
people's parts. And my guys areadamant. They're like, no, we've
got to bring development in a house. We've got to do it ourselves.
On twenty eighteen, the spin onthe inch of Dino, the lob Bit
development software, you know, andwent down that path. And honestly,
when we bought all of that intwenty eighteen, I thought it would take

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us ten to fifteen years to getgood. And by January twenty twenty,
we were as good as or slightlybetter than the stuff that we had been
buying from others, and by midtwenty twenty one, we were significantly better
than anything we were testing from anyone. So that's a it's an unbelievable Uh

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when you look at that, youknow, that line, that grasp,
you know, and the acceleration.Uh, there's a reason you're on all
these world records. Everybody knows youso well. Uh when you talk to
anybody, you know, it's forums, magazines, everybody's like, yeah,
btr uh this btr that. It'suh, just everybody knows Brian Teley raising.
It's it's wild, and it's youknow, it's well earned to be

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the guy that's someonel upon. Thathad to be a magical day when you
you know, you had to belike a holy moment like that to look
at that. Yet you know,you go back and double check it,
like that can't be because it itwas wild, how it was so undiscovered,
but yet you know, apparently rightthere in front of you, right

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yeah, I mean, because whenyou're it's just like you said the beginning
this conversation January twenty twenty, Iwas convinced that we'd all. You know,
we'd all done all we could do, there was nothing else left on
the table. And then you know, just a year and a half later,
you know your stuff is ten,fifteen, twenty horsecar better or more
right. I mean, we weare supercharge cams. So the supercharge cams

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we do now are forty to fiftyhorsecar better than are older supercharge cams with
less intanke daration at the same time, which seems so when you made when
you made the discovery, I'm justcurious, did you have the lab coat
on and the and the glasses andyou know, did you do the Frankenstein
laugh? And was the lightning outside? Well, I've had glasses for some

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time. My guy's actually bought labcoats, but they thought it was funny.
But you know, I'm a I'ma Christian God we you know,
we give the glory to God,uh my place, and uh, you
know, it's really quite unbelievable,like said will be, it's an unbelievable
timeline for all of that to occur. Yeah, it's just amazing, it's

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just insane. Well, we gotto take a break when we come back,
teach us, educate us on whythere's been such this paradigm shift because
it used to be you know,you used to open the old deals,
like you said, the old summercatalog, go down the bottom of page.
Give me this big mother trucker,you know, and if I if
I'm running nitress, I need thismuch overlap, but that can I need

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a big ass lift sit in thatone? Right? You got all this,
you know, massive amount of youknow, just a seat pressure,
massive lifts, you know, tonsof spring and there, which causes a
lot of problem. That used tobe that big you know, that big
chop chop that everybody wanted, right, you know, it kind of was
the train of thought. But nowwhat's wild is with turbos and superchargers making

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up that gap, or you know, you've been able to control the amount
of air you don't have to relyon such a big lift to bring it
in. It's kind of wild tosee the evolution of where it's gone.
So maybe educate us on how that'shappening, why it's happening, what you
found in that, and why youknow you should pay more attention when you

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call up for a camshaft, askquestions. They're gonna ask you what you
want to do with the car.This is important because a lot of people
like me for so long, we'lljust you know, our mindset was a
little bit different until you know,all of this new technology provided some real
numbers, answers and data. Moreon that in a second. Brian Tully
or Brian Tooley Racing, it's WillyBee's garage. Man, it's just Saturday.

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It's well seventy nine KVP I WillyBee's garage. You'll back in Willybe's
garage. What up Swoopy's garage?Walk it? Man? Hey, we
have the one and only Brian Tooleyor Brian Tilly Racing on Mike Pettiford and
uh we're talking shop. So youthink that you know power obviously performance what

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we all crave when it comes toa lot of these cars, whether it's
you know, something old cool whichis still cool but honest to god,
man, I know when I runaround in my big, badass nineteen seventy
nine dots charger, I mean sixtynine dollars charger, I know that that
freaking five it's a five hundred andseventy two keep against big block. It's

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got a big, old nasty nightjust cam in it. It's all kind
of chop chop. But that thingonly makes like five p eighty at the
rear. I'll be honest, itonly makes like five eighty five nine,
just around six hundred basically without nitrous. It's it's a camshaft designed for nitrous,
and unless you're spraying it, you'renot getting anything close to performance out

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of that engine. Now, look, I'm not at all afraid to dump
nitrous on that thing on the streetbecause I run around slicks. It's got
a data sixty the bitch hooks anddirt, it's got a gear vendors on
it. So I run that car. But I'm telling you, man,
when I hit that thing with likea one to fifty shot, it's crazy
on that car because the cubic inchesand they base a lot of the numbers

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on nitrous systems, they base itfor a smaller cubic inch engine. So
when I spray that car with like, honestly, god, my street tune
on that car is only one hundredand fifty shot. But the car makes
like eight ninety at the rear tire, and it's just like it's like six
hundred, you know, on justthe engine and it dude, it makes

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like eight eighty or something ridiculous likethat on that like buck fifty shot when
I got the raise too in it, when I know there's a track under
it. Dude, I put atwo point fifty shot on that car and
it makes it makes over a thousandhorse power. No, I think it's
a I think it's a three hundredshot they have from my race tune.
So it's it goes bananas on nitrous. But inevitably, I know if I'm

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out on the street that these modernhorsepower cars will just clean it up.
Because these cars, it's amazing whatthey've done, what technology has done.
What you can what you can useas far as having usable power is where
it's at right keeping that car onsweet spot. Obviously mine just an example,
Mine really didn't have that until you'reshoving a bunch of nitrous downs throat.

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But modern cars with these superchargers,with some of these turbos, man
sky is the limit, the powerunder the curve, all the usable power
that's putting out. It's just it'sunbelievable how you're able to you know,
put down tracks, control, you'reputting down power, and you're managing you
know, everything it's it's really justan unbelievable time for modern engines. So

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Brian Tooley has taking advantage of thatand really dove in hard when it comes
to finding power in these modern applications. And really you got to be blown
away by it because you were aroundin the nineties when people were you know,
trying to use that big, massivecamshaft and you know a lot of
a lot of seat pressure and bigsprings and all that nonsense. But man,

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they've been a shift in the nineties. I had a big block Sevy
five thirty two with a three hundredshot on it, right, Yeah,
I remember those days. Well,I had a first street Camaro and that's
just what you did, yeah,you know. And then it's funny because
obviously I got busy with business andall of that. And in twenty eighteen

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I bought a twenty nineteen Zar One, right, pretty excited, first new
corvette I ever bought. Yeah,and you know when we put a drag
pack on and it went ten o'sand we were like, I was like,
dang, you know, put putwheels and tires on it. Ten
O's not bad. And then weyou know, eventually modeled it with ported
heads and ported the stock blower andcamshaft and at Math and Pulley's and eighty

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five and uh, still with thebone stocks dispensioned. Got that car to
go eat seventies damn right hitting it? Man, this kidding is yeah,
thirty seven hundred pounds or whatever itwas with me in it, and uh,
you know, and and there's avideo out there it looks like I'm
driving it down the road to thegrocery store, you know, eight seventies
and you know, so just youknow, it was so docile on the

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street that people didn't even think itwas modified. And then they would,
you know, race me and andI'd mop them up, and they wonder
what in the world happened? Anduh, I shouldn't be because I've got
one stock was that right? Yeah? Yeah? And I love your car,
So I got to tell you.So that car had a two thirty

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one inte duration cam shaft, right, remember that now, two thirty one
pretty big cam. And then sowe you know, we tested and learned
and studied, and you know,we you know, some physics, uh,
things that we'd wanted to test.So the interesting thing about positive splace
and superchargers and intake duration. Thinkabout your runner length compared to any other

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intake metaphorm. Let's say you havean LS three with a centripical supercharger on
it. You still have a longrunner length, right as soon as you
put a positive splace in supercharger.When you have an LSA fits in camara,
right, will yeah, yeah,yeah, So the runner length on
that supercharger is about a quarter ofinch long, right, right, So

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when you think about the incoming aircharge and as the as the piston is
coming up on the compression stroke andthat intake valve is closing, that runner
has much less inertia because it's somuch shorter, Okay, which means which
means you need to close the intakevalve sooner. Right, So we started

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closing the intake vow sooner, andthen you know, we've also found power
in changing overlap events. So I'vegot this other guy out there that has
just a C seven zero six,not as z R one, but we
have a two seventeen inteke duration CAMAdot car and he just went eight sixties
full weight. So he's going fasterwith a two seventeen integdration cam to my

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ZERR one one with two thirty oneintegration, So that gives you some idea
of the direction we're going. Buthere's the wild thing that a lot of
people don't pay attention to these LTengines. So you know, if you've
got an L eighty six LA sevenand an escalade you know, pickup truck
with everyone those sixty two direct injectedengines, so that that engine has two
hundred inteke duration just like an LTone naturally aspirated engine and a corvetor Camaro

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two hundred integration right and LT fourLT five those engines are one eighty eight
inteke duration. People do not realizethose cams and those cars are that small
and they will actually physically make morepower with less integration because of what's going
on near an overlap. And that'sall I'm going to say about that.

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But you know, you know,it's just kind of boggles of mind because
you're like, well, it shouldn'tbe it should be making that much power,
right, yeah, yeah, Soyou know, so to be learning
all the stuff forget this stuff out, Uh, you know, like you
said, when you thought everything hadbeen learned and achieved, and then you

(33:36):
learn and achieve seemingly more, youknow, in the course of just a
couple of years than what you hadyou know, everything previous to that collectively
over the last couple of decades,you know, Oh yeah, it really
not changed until until this, whichis is just wild. Yeah. Never
never ever thought I would see,you know, us be in a position

(33:57):
we're at because you know, theother thing that happened to us through the
last ten years was we had acam vendor that had a lot of heat
treat issues with our cam cores andyou know the way they ground cam So
we might even touch on that ifwe've got time. But anyway, so
this is what everyone does. There'sa cam company out there. If you

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order a Gen five camshaft from them, they have one camcore that they grind
every single camshaft from every single Ginfive cam. Okay, so it doesn't
matter what the intake, duration,exhauseration, lobe center, everything. They're
literally taking one camcre in grinding everypossible profile from that. So think about
the likelihood of grinding all the waythrough the heat treat in those scenarios,

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right likely, that likelihood is extremelyhigh. And we know that because we
ordered a cam from them for testingit on our Dino and they ground all
way through the heat treat on everyintechload because we have a non destructive hardness
testrum that we can test the hardnesswith. And so what we do differently,
so every cam vender out there,like in L scams email and the

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reason to explain the reason they woulddo that obviously right, saving money,
saving dimes because if you grind everythingoff the same the same core core,
right, obviously you don't think about, you know, all the numbers you
can stamp out off off of onein a one size fits all scenario.
But in reality that doesn't work wellbecause for what Brian pointed out. But

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that's the reason behind it. Yes, yeah, So literally everyone that you
buy a lscamshaft from right now today, name every vendor out there on the
market, they have fifteen to twentywhat are called ugl's unground lobe cams,
and they will grab one of thosecam cores and grind every possible combination of

(35:47):
camshafts. What we do is everysingle shelf cam that you see on our
website, every single one of thosecams have a special core. That core
is roughed in within a half amillimeter or final grind size. So whenever
we grind those, we have consistentheat treat depth and there's no way we're

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going to grind through the heat treatOkay, So that's one of the big
things that we do fundamentally different fromeveryone else out they're grinding cams. Well,
here's the unintended benefit from that.We found out that we're grinding cams
and half to a third of theamount of time that our competitors do.

(36:28):
So we're literally grinding cams in lesstime because there's so much less material happen.
And in casting process, you know, in casting process, yeah,
the machining process, it's all dull, yeah, you know. But through
that, through that process, right, their cores are closer to spec so
they're not grinding as much material offof it. Why they're able to do

(36:52):
them better and faster. Crazy man, that's uh, way smarter. And
I would have never thought of thatin a million years, you know,
way out of here on it.You think you don't think about that type
stuff, you know, right,well, most most consumers do not realize
what, you know, how thisstuff is actually been made. That there's

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just a handful of these generic qglsthat all these thousands of combinations of camshafts
are being ground from, you know, because we have competitors that are just
like, choose your l s A, right, if you want to one
twelve thirteen, you know, chooseyour LSA will make the cam. We
don't do that for a couple ofreasons. Number one, that's where you
can get into grinding through heat treatissues, right. And then number two

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is you're screwing up the design ofthe camshaft. We don't allow people to
screw up the design. It's like, if you want to screw up the
design, go to one of ourcompetitors and get it ground. We're not
putting our name on it, youknow. And so you know, so
it's very interesting. And then eventhe cam grinding equipment. You know,
we have a brand new Landis LTone toe uh. You know, all

(37:59):
the ways are high your static.It's absolutely the best camground that you can
buy. There's only a few ofthose in the entire automotive performance after market,
you know. And so you know, the entire broke because the entire
aftermarket is becoming one company. Youdon't what we'll talk about there. Man,
It's crazy. The well just soyou know, it's just nuts.

(38:21):
You know, it won't be longfor everything on. It's like crazy.
Although I did hear, you know, a few companies coming to gather to
be the counter to all of that, a few big mergers happening when I
was out at seeing and I'm like, wow, this is gonna be an
interesting year for sure. Now it'scrazy to think, you know, you're

(38:43):
going through this stage. You findout this power, you're doing all these
these really nice, unique things thatmake not just the power lasts longer.
People you know obviously happy excited aboutyou know, finding power here and finding
power there. But what you doalso is combine several of the things that
you created with several things that youknow that work. So you were you're

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also giving everybody a chance to justput together the right combination versus you know,
going on and trying to find aseparate spring or you know, oh
I want to you know, Ineed this camshaft and I got to change
this part up in this piece,and you know I want to swap out
lifters. Do I want to dothis? You make it real convenient for
everybody to kind of throw everything togetherall at once. Absolutely, you know

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that that entire package, you know, the Spentron stuff we do. You
know, we eventually was able toget a Gen five LT one engine to
go ten thousand our pm in ourSpentron with only five thousands closing bounds.
And to put that in perspective,we have a competitor who's camshaft about seventy
three seventy four hundred had almost fiftythousand closing bounds. Now that much closing

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bounce, it will separate the headof the valve from the rest of the
valve. It'll physically bounce the seatsout of the heads. And it's funny
because on the site they're like,no, we recommend, you know,
replacing the seats in your heads ifyou bow over an safts It's just like,

(40:14):
well shouldn't that? Isn't that arental haag something right there? Dude?
You know what I never forget.One time we had furniture role racing
here in Denver and one of mybuddies was the lead engine builder and I
was over there. I had anengine on his Dino. He's let me
brought it for a weekend engine uhthat put together in the shop, and
he was like, you want tosee something wild. So they had this

(40:37):
this engine model and it was showingwhat the vow train was doing throughout this
rpm range in their engine. Andthey had it was almost like a slice
and dice. They had all thesetiny insane cameras. And when the when
the push ride would come up andyou know, hit the rocker. As
the rocker would transition that that pivotinto the spring, you would see the

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spring at certain RPMs, it wouldrotate and it would recoil and it would
bounce around like crazy because it wassuper slow down. It would go clockwise.
You know, six thousand rpm itbe turning clockwise, seven thousand rpm
be turning clockwise. About eighty fiveone hundred rpm it would stop right and
then about eighty eight hundred years startgoing the other direction, and you're like

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nine thousand rpm it's been in theopposite counterclockwise like and it's all kinds of
it's got all this crazy slap andreverberation and recoil through the spring through the
pushrod, and and just it wasnuts to watch this thing whip around and
and just what all that that vibrationand frequency and how upset it was getting

(41:47):
when you super super super slowed down. So you're watching you know, you're
watching something you know, in threeseconds, it's you know, one transition
of all that energy. You know, it's drawn on out over like three
four seconds. So you really geta chance to watch what is doing.
Is nuts. It's wow, howviolent that that world is. Yeah,

(42:07):
there's a lot going on because everythingis compressing or stretching, flexing. You
know. Well, I mean you'rejust talking about we talked about you know,
the things we look at on spindronfour vents right, opening deflexing deflection,
loft over the nose, closing deflection, and then resulting closing bounds.

(42:27):
Right. Well, you can takea can that's two thirty at fifty duration
by seven thousand r pm, it'stwo twenty two at fifty because it has
that much opening deflection and closing deflextion. Yeah right, yeah, And that's
something a lot of people don't realizeis how much duration they're physically losing at
the valve. You know, inthese push odd these hydraulic world to pushrod

(42:50):
engines crazy you calm everything down tohow much better it works, it's just
well it's like giving it a backrub, all right. So what about
all right, obviously LS has beenkind of your thing, that's been your
jam for a long time. Whatabout you know, some of these other
applications. What about the GIN forHemi? You do anything there? Absolutely?

(43:13):
Yeah. We spent about six months. So the Gen for HEMI was
actually the very first development project thatwe did with brand new engine modeling software.
So in the past we did allthe work the hardware. Right,
you're grinding cams, you're put ona Spentron, you put on a Dino,
you're finding the dynamics the power.Now, with the software that we

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have, it's the same software thatChevrolet and Dodge and Toyota uses, we
can do all that modeling in thesoftware. Wow. Right, you Spentron
tested in the software. Yeah.Whenever we modeled up the HEMI and the
Spentron, trace out of the modelingsoftware with the Spentron showed that it was

(44:00):
a good day. Right. Wow, what a crazy ability that gives you
holy man. Yeah, as faras we know, no one else in
the entire form starting work factor markethas that software. Wow, so we
hear there's a lot of power outthere available in that Gen four HEMI platform.
What Apple, what do you seeit, man? What are you

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are? You? Are you alittle thrown it back by it? What
do you uh? How do youcompare it against the LS? Well?
I tell you when I was stillat total engine airflow around two thousand and
seven, two thousand and eight,we ported our first five seven hemihead.
So I'm a huge coefficient discharge guy, and co fishing discharge is just a
measurement of airflow divide about bout curtainarea, okay, And it's just a

(44:43):
measurement of efficiency. But it's kindof cool because the unit of measures cfm
per square inch, so it's alsoof lost the number. And so you
know, we were working on allthese wedgeheads and you know we had you
know, this is the best coeficientdischarge we've ever seen out of this headed
let's say four hundred left, whichis kind of sweet spot for hydraulic roller
street ship head. And then wedid our first five seven hemi and that

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Hemi head had a higher coefficient ofdischarge than any wedgehead we'd ever had by
far, right. I mean itwas brutal, Like we had got the
trick flow to forty five, cathedralport had to flow almost three hundred cfm
butt four hundred lift, which isa big number. Yea our five to
seven HEMI flowed that on the stockthree point nine whatever bore that five to

(45:30):
seven is, yeah, and Iwas blown away. So the other thing
that I know about summerheads, evenbefore I reported that head, is you
know when you look at a wedgehead and how the air goes into the
cylinder, it can't help but swirl. It's just like taking your soap bucket
when you're going to wash your car, take the take the hose and pour

(45:51):
the hose against the wall of thebucket. It naturally has swirled, right,
That's how every wedgehead in the worldworks, a HEMI head. You
know, you tend to have tumbleinstead of swirl. The swirl is not
a good thing when you're carrying fuelbecause swirl can actually c interfuse the fuel
out under the ciner walls, whichis bad for many reasons. Right,

(46:13):
yeah, certainly doesn't. It doesn'thelp you make power, and it certainly
can hurt ring you know where.And so anyway, so from a you
know, with boost, nothing beatsa hemy right, I mean it is,
there's no it's no uh happy chancethat you know, top fuel engines
are all HEMY right right, thatis the most efficient head for boost and

(46:38):
so so yeah, to be workingwith the modern HEMY doing this stuff.
We're doing so our five to sevenended up making over five hundred horse power
with like a you know two twentyintake duration camshaft. I think we gain
ninety horse power over the stock cam. Wow, it's a b Yeah.

(47:01):
Well, the the and the coolthing for us was our you know what
were our competitors out there with thesame rough dration camshaft there their camshaft game
sixty five horsepower and narsis gain inninety. That's a sugar not of a
gap. That's a huge gap,right Yeah. And then we we also
just finished the Godzilla. Oh thatbitch engine to shake this out and stupid

(47:30):
it is. Man, we havea Godzilla cam to twenty two intake duration
gains over one hundred horsepower over thestock cam back to back, don't even
change volve springs. Shut up,literally slide the stock came out, slide.
This came in one hundred horsepower andit gains power everywhere because we're fully

(47:51):
utilized in VVT variable valve timing.Yeah, yeah, whatever, they call
their system, they call it somethingelse, right, Yeah, but that's
but yeah, man, that isuh, that's crazy to find this power.
So tell me about boost because everythingobviously you know you're missing how well
himmy performs under boost? Uh whatdo you find it on some of the

(48:12):
cam shafts and packages? What elsebesides the camshaft should you address if you
plan on turn up a little bitof boost. Well, I mean,
you know, the number one thingwith him he's obviously is you know,
rods and pistons, right, Imean, you know, when you get
the Hellcat, obviously you've got anice you know, nice bottom end.
Sure, but from what I understand, you know, the other hemis you
know you need to upgrade the rodand the piston and water you're at it.

(48:36):
Yeah, but but you know,obviously you're doing hunters and fuel and
all that. But it really doesn'ttake that many mods, you know,
to make a lot of power,and make a lot of power with relatively
low intake duration camshaft right, Yeah, you can have a cam shaft it's
less than two twenty fifty and youknow a thousand and a thousand plus horsepower

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problem. Well, I mean Iguess there's guys out thro The Hellcats make
a thousand plus with stock cam,so obviously, you know, I think
the Hellcat is such an affordable becauseyou know they've been out for a while.
Now you start to see him.My boy runs Power Cleveland Power and
Performance and he's on like hell Catnumber two hundred and fourteen. You know
this came in crashed because everybody's justwiping out under the power of them.

(49:23):
But yeah, it's uh, Ifeel like hell Cats are the new Mustangs.
You know, I'm owner one toomany. They generate crazy wheel speed,
fast, and a lot of peopledon't know how to react to that
and or not react to it,so there's a lot of them hitting ditches.
But what I mean, what anawesome, crazy just platform you have

(49:44):
the build off of that car,because you know, seven hundred and seven
horsepower is still insane. It's insanefor the average person. And you sneeze
on these things and they make athousand, right. Yeah. You know,
one of my friends is Jeff Turk, and he won one of the
Factory X races this past year,and you know those cars are out there

(50:05):
going what seven o's about to gosix nineties. I mean you know,
that's essentially you know, hellcat andwith a three leader supercharger on it,
right, a little bit of supercharge. Yeah yeah, yeah, it's potent.
And that Godzilla is legit too,man. So it's gonna be interesting
where these things go and how muchpower you can make out of them.

(50:25):
But nobody is doing it like likeyou are, man, uh for sure,
So what do you what do youthink people hit up your website if
they got any sort of if you'relooking like I just seed him the other
day. My you know, mycamaro burnt toast, pull little thing,
the d O D stuffs it's stuckon, so that displacement on demand trash.

(50:45):
So I'm you know, I've reachedout to Brian. That's how I
got him, talked to him tocoming on with this day. You know,
I gotta get a I gotta geta replacement kit. But he makes
these these swaps and these upgrades reallyeasy because everything's there and he's got a
great team. You just call themup man kind, tell them what the
issue problem or what you're looking for, and they'll set you straight. That's
what's great about your guys. Yeah, it's a great team. You know,

(51:08):
you look at our Google reviews.You know, they definitely tell the
tale. Everyone that calls in isgenerally very impressed with the service they receive.
You know, the technical knowledge.You know, the entire sales team,
they have one hour meeting every week. You know, it's just a
technical meeting on you know, improvingtheir knowledge. You know, sometimes they

(51:29):
have a conference rooms. Sometimes theygo to product development. You know they're
looking at engines, they're looking atparts, and you know that makes a
difference. You know those guys,I mean, you can't none of us
can possibly have enough knowledge, right, and so you know, continually improving
their knowledge is certainly key, youknow to uh you know what the consumer
uh feels whenever they call in andget great advice and in the right parts,

(51:53):
no doubt. And you guys,man, just it's amazing how many
more parts you guys are doing nowadays. You know, us just do camshafts.
Now you're doing complete like a simpledark based LAS short blocks, you're
doing you know, intakes. It'sit's wild, man. So it's cool
to see the growth. Man.You got to be stoked. Yeah,
I'm stoked. And we brought mostof all our manufacturing and house you know,

(52:15):
machina all our antakes, out covers, retainers, every camshafts, everything
in house. Our slinder heads werelaunched later this year, so we have
the most powerful LS three and continuedto port heads available. That's my background,
right, I've spent many, manyyears in silverhead development and know more
about solderheads than I do camshafts.Right's crazy. And you know, and

(52:39):
the guy that started Trick Flow ineighties, who sold it the Summit Racing
in ninety three, you know,Rick Smith. We hired him in twenty
eighteen and you know to have himon our team. And Rick Smith,
you know, he left trick Flowin two thousand, but he went on
to work at ET which became masscylinder Heads, so he did a lot
of their totally designed. He designedall the afr BI block, Chevy tooling,

(53:01):
Sunny, the Sunny's big block,Cheavy, the tooling to make the
block and the heads for all that. He designed all of that. You
know, he is just a masterat casting and design, tooling designed,
and we actually make our own toolingin house, which the tooling that makes
the cast parts. You kind oftake for granted that you know, let's

(53:23):
say darker af R, for example, I didn't realize till Seema twenty two
that those guys do not design theirpatterns in house, that they do not
make them a house right, andand we actually do because of Rick Smith.
Wow. Yeah, So to havedesign capabilities just on the casting side,

(53:45):
you know, the companies that havebeen out there for decades like AFR,
Dart, you know, to beyou know, to have this capabilities
is pretty surreal. Of course,my background, you know, being part
of Trick Flow, Trick Flaw hadtheir own pattern you know, pattern makes
and you know, they designed theirown patterns and made their own patterns the
tool them and so you just kindof take for granted everybody out there making

(54:06):
castings had that capability, but theymay not, which is crazy. Man.
A lot of advantages, a lotof a lot of things most people
just wouldn't consider. Man, hehas so, Hey, props to you,
man, it's obviously working out.Yeah. Hey, I gotta tell
you one more trivial thing. Wehave a patent pending on board rotor design.

(54:30):
Oh cool, and you'll you'll appreciatethis. So we had an ULSA
supercharger on our engine Dino, andwe stock LSA supercharger off and put on
a kong see and supported supercharger,packed it back and picked up one hundred
horse power. And then we pulledthe stock rotors out of that case and

(54:51):
put these modified roaders in and pickedup another seventy five on top of the
hundred. Yes. Wow, whoa, So we applied for a patent on
that rotor. Hey, I'll bea crashed one of those. Damn that

(55:12):
sounds because those congs are badass anywayyou put those on them. Man,
isn't that like a three leader?No? No, no, that's no,
that's just that's just his scene supportingprogram. Oh that was just that
was just taking up there kong lidkinds of stuff. Yeah, but no,
this this test was just taking astock l s A supercharger and then

(55:37):
he seens he ported one of thosels A superchargers. So it was just
back to back, same supercharger,same yeah. And then and then our
roads are another seventy five. Yeah. Gets something that a lot of people,
well you know what you've seen that. I want to that it's wild
because I felt like that technology waskind of ceiling out too, and then

(56:00):
all of a sudden, these positivedisplacement superchargers are all the rage again.
I don't know what happened that madethese like, all of a sudden,
they're making big you know, becausefor the what for the long time,
it was, you know, sortof the pro charger styles set up right,
the centricles out on the side andsomething like that. But man,

(56:20):
these positive displacements all of a sudden, they've just came on hard in the
last several years. Man, andit's crazy. You know, they're making
three leader superchargers now, and thesethings are making freaking gobs of horsepower,
you know, twelve hundred and fourteenhundred and fifteen hundred more, you know,
just all day with these these advancementsin that crazy old school superchargers wild.

(56:46):
Yeah, yeah, it really isamazing. And I love those positive
places superchargers. You know, they'rejust they're very problem free. You know,
you just don't have bell problems,n and you know you have a
little but the heat problem, butyou know, put some injection on top
of it, and you know,let it, let it eat and uh,
it's just a low a mid is. It's just dude, it's just

(57:09):
instant and there's a lot of usablepower and it's manageable, and they just
god, they thump. Man.It's just nuts. How badass those things
have become, you know, putthem on everything. We were talking about
our big block Nitrous cars, right, my big block Nitrous car in the
nineties with that two is a twohundred shot but it went eight nineties.

(57:30):
Yeah, it felt like I wasripping up the world. You know.
And now and now you know,a modern supercharge car that's heavier, you
know, that feels like you're drivingto the grocery store and it's faster.
Yeah, it's it's crazy. It'sjust it's a wild, just wild time
to be alive and just a reallyjust epic crescendo performance of power. You

(57:53):
just walk in, have a decentcredit scord and roll out with a thunder
bro some straight you know, goodtimes. Man. So it's awesome.
Hey, keep on doing it.Brian Tooley Racing, Uh hop online,
man, he is such a greatresource. Uh he's always down to help
out. He's just mad talented everythinghe touches. He's got a great team

(58:15):
and they're they're like us, man. Those dudes they eat, live,
breathe it. They're all crazy coolcar guys. Uh, just have a
good you know, you're dealing withgood people. They got good hearts,
great souls. Uh in the rightcause in the cross areas. So hey
thinks as always. Man, it'sa fantastic catch up with you, my

(58:37):
friend. Alright, buddy, takecare man. That's Brian Tooley a btr
Brian Tooley racing. Cool stuff.Man. We got dive of the break
late. It's snowing, but whocares. It's Saturday. It's most seven
nine KVP I Willy P's garage.You're back and Willy his garage shut the

(59:01):
front door, still snowing, lookingto Saturday. Hey, super Bowl Sunday
coming up, man, big superBowl week. You will get down just
a second. Uh, we stillhave Brian on. We're just you know,
we're talking trash on forwards uh throughthe break. I mean well they
weren't, I was, you know, uh so floor sock. So anyway,

(59:22):
we were just talking about a coupleof different things that Brian is doing,
developing some crazy stuff. He's uh, he's got going on still.
And you know, my man,Mike Pettitford, this guy is competitor.
He's like, man, he's like, uh, he's trying to decide whether
to increase some of the cars.Yeah, he's got like fifteen thirty corvettes,
y'all. Don't let Mike twist youup. He's he probably owns thirty

(59:44):
six corvettes, and he's talking bigpower. And you know, two or
three of these years or this zR one or this Z six and they're
throwing down all the corvette code.The only thing missing here is a satin
jacket. So uh and some shortyeah, yeah, votable lawnchair would be
great, dude. When it comesto power, nobody makes more of it,

(01:00:07):
No way does it better than Brian. He wanted to point out something
really cool about the company that youknow oftentimes, I mean, honest,
I'm not so happy that it's reallylike conglomerates, especially in the automotive world.
We all know how we become betterwith competition, right. A competitor

(01:00:30):
brings up everybody's level, and Ithink when one company or two companies own
everything, you don't get that inherentsort of competitive drive and pride to make
you reach and achieve more, whichis so unique about Brian because he's a

(01:00:50):
little guy in a little He's alittle fish in a big ass pond right,
and he notices probably too that thesecompanies are doing a lot of development.
They're just kind of keeping those oldskews, you know, stant out
because who would have guessed there waspower and you know cam shafts, who
would guess there was more power?And you know the rotary you know deals,

(01:01:12):
The way you're finding power and theway you're continually searching for it is
really cool and it's it's such it'sa necessity that is in dire need to
continue, and it's the only waywe're gonna continue, you know, performances,
We know it because they'll just giveup, you know. But something
cool about his company. Tell everybodywhat you did with with Brian Tilley raising,

(01:01:38):
Yeah, twenty eighteen. We wewe did an ESOP program that's employee
stock ownership plan. So I basicallyit's like buying selling the house. Right,
You've got two sides, and theemployees are represented by trustee who the
Department of Labor to make sure they'regetting a good deal. And so it's

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you know, firmly highly regulated.So we did the deal. I sold
the business to the employees for aprice, and today that business is worth
three times what I sold it forin twenty eighteen and all that equity belongs
to the employee. Dude, howcrazy is that? That isn't sure enough
motivators? Right? Yeah, Imean, when's the last time you heard

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of a company doing that? Well? And it's so cool all of your
employees, it's like it's you gotskin in the game. But yeah,
a lot of company that I'm workingfor, that's yeah, that's cool.
That's some pride. How many peopleyou got it on the team? About
sixty? Oh wow? How coolis that? Yes, that's dope.

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Yeah, a lot of people.That is cool. You got somebody in
charge of T shirts? Absolutely,yeah, my new marketing manager Art all
right, so hard to say theT shirt. You make a polo shirt.
Some of us like to style alittle bit more wears because we call
the polo shirts. Man has nevergone for Dana's life. He's got nine,

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four hundred and twelve polo shirts.Everyone over the logo. Right,
He's like, you got polo shirtand now I'll take an extra large All
right? Awesome, man, it'salways a great catching up. Run sure,
appreciate you and keep on doing that. Man, you're killing the road.

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It's awesome to Uh to hear theword and UH can't wait to talk
to you again soon. All right, all right, sounds good, Hi
buddy, see you man crazy tomake power like that, right, Oh
dude, I'm gonna have to talkto it. It is wild because in
that in that arena, you thinkabout all the conglomerates, I mean conglomberts.
But so obviously you know, youknow, Holly is buying up everything.

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There's a counterpart of Holly, uh, you know out there as well
as you know, building their stockpiledarsenal. But you know, for the
most part, when you have youknow, a big parent care, not
a lot of work done on kindof what's down the line or finding more
power here. It's you know,it's more about a bigger superchargers mass produced
this mass producer that that's why hewas explaining, you know, they had

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one core for all those camshafts thatthey were grinding. So he does things
a lot different where he sees adifferent vision, he sees perspective than the
average person, and that's why he'smaking all the power. Yeah, I
mean every world record is out there, man has his his name on it,
which is just kind of wild.Man you have left the legacy there.

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You know, I might have totalk to him before the runhoffs.
He has made to make a bigpower. I love that he's doing stuff
on him. He's now because youknow, they make huge power. That's
stupid. Guy's Zilla motor. Thatthing's gonna be the think about that.
That particular platform is just volume productionnumbers. You gotta find a Ford truck

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to have that and the not kickingout as many as pots. They do
have a crate engine set up forthat, but it's not as robust as
you know, obviously, you know, anything close to the l S or
LT or you know now the gymfor him me, But it's gonna be
out there and they're making some bigpower with it. It's like a big
LS man. It's got four hundredand fifty LS. Stupid, but yeah,

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I guess when you can't beat himthis copy, you go, all
right, let's handle this other break. We'll get back to it. Will
Rode and the snow is Saturday.We'll talk some super Bowl garbage coming up
next. Oh are you ready forit? Are you gonna watch it?
I'm ready, I'm gonna watch it? All right? You got everybody queued
up on football trivia, like whatwas Taylor Swift's last album? Come on,

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man, get ready? All right, she's in route? Is she?
She's flying right now. I've gotto plane monitor on it. All
right, we're back in a second. It's want to sit down kvp I
Willie B's garage. You back inWillieb's garage. Crazy, he wants to

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be down on KVPI. Snow isfalling, Welcome Saturday weekend, all kind
of school stuff, dude, Braidenand Brandon Motorsports is just killing it.
Bob Taska when zero three hundred andforty one miles an hour and three point
eight four seconds, they had apro mod go like four four the other
day down there? Do they havea video it went? It was like

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they set a world record for promods. Uh let's see, oh yeah right
here, Oh yeah look that Yeah, that's crazy three hundred and forty one.
That's funny car. Yeah dude,crazy dude. And that was that
was that was one thousand feet right. No, I think they go the

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whole They go the whole. MODKthirteen twenty Okay, that's no dude.
Three Yeah, dude's face would beflattened, you know, zero to two
hundred, zero to three hundred andforty one miles an hour under four seconds.

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Yeah, that is just my Ohthat'd be a riot. That'd be
so fun. Oh yeah, cudMan doesn't just suck that we don't have
a dragship and dinnermore. Don't evenget me started. Yeah, he's talking
about don't you get me started.I was there a lot more than you

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were. It's a tragedy, man, that this market. But they'll be
back. I'm hoping, you know, I know two, Yeah, I
know two. I just I'm amazedthat there's just not you know, there's
five tracks within like an hour ofmy brother. Yeah, you know,
it's why you know, you knowthey got Jullis Burger that got public right

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now, but neither one of thosecould do anything remotely close. What Yeah,
well it's just not the same.I mean, is you know legendary?
Well yeah, it's it's under Mountain. That's that's the place. You
know. If you want to tellsomebody your quarter mile time, they want
to know what you turned at VANDAMR. Yeah. That was that was a
tough one, man. It wasa heartbreaker for so many people. Uh,

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My brother came up here in hiscar. He's like, damn a
car slow, and I'm like,yeah, welcome out to people don't think
that's the real deal. When yougo down Florida and stopping Kentucky. Yeah,
if you tell him what your carruns, and they'll be like,
oh, that's all right, youknow, because like the tighten it runs
like a low nine, you know, same thing, but sixty nine you
can roll. You can run likea low nine. At Vandre and people

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were like, oh, it's prettygood when you go down to Florida.
When I go down and shoot theshow, you know, I'll talk to
some guys down to Bradenton and afew have the other places we go to,
and they're like, oh, it'spretty fast, you know. But
I'm like, but you don't stay. That's at like sixty seven hundred feet
corrected out toude, it's like eleventhousand feet. And they're like, yeah,
but that does that really make thatbig of a difference. Yes,

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yeah it does. Yet they don'tget it. No, not at all,
not at all. I mean obviouslyit changes in boost applications, but
just you know, and in acar, you know, it's crazy.
Power is gone. Yeah, there'sa reason water boils at two hundred and
twelve in Florida and right, andit boils at one hundred and ninety seven
here. Physics, Yeah, ohyeah, it's it has an effect.

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So anyway, Super Bowl Sunday,you pulling for anybody in particular? I
mean, I guess i'd go withthe forty nine ers. I don't know.
Yeah, obviously I'm tired of seeingKansas City. Look, we just
can't pull I think collectively we can'tpull for somebody now to vision with a
Super Bowl enough's enough? Yeah,I mean they wont a couple of them

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already. You've had your highlight reelor whatever they've been in three or four
times the last years. Enough upon you, I'll be I'll be watching
for us. You're at halftime?Is that your Is that your jam?
Yeah? Well he's he's good.He's not my favorite, but he's he's
real good. But Alicia Keys ifshe shows up, which is the rumor,

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Oh yeah, she's one of myfavorites. Absolutely. Do you have
Alisia Keys songs on your phone?You know I don't, but I probably
should. That's awesome, Yeah youshould. Just indeed, all right,
So as far as uh wild anddriving people having fun out there today.
Obviously Scooby slick I as always watchedout for the bridges and overpasses. Uh.

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If you need extra time breaking,take your car out of gear and
keep the spacing. What everybody doesis they still follow too close and then
they hit some ice. Guy goessideways and then they're part of the accident.
So space it out, double doublethe distance that you would normally use.
Say ye, haul a lot too, it always hopes. Yeah,

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just drive around and make sure youdo that often almost every turn. Actually
does that work in a golfer?Oh yeah, I mean it works in
any application. I mean out therein the old GMC Jimmy, we're great
than that one all morning. Yeah. Hey, And you know what,
they're dumb dumbs out there that aredriving the look you high fruit throws,

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the left hand lane, get yourass out of left hand lane. Secondly,
if you have a half mile tothree quarter mile merge lane, don't
stop in the middle of the apexof the turn and wait for the other
lane to come come clear dummies.It's just sad. What's the biggest as

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a driver, what's the biggest mistakepeople make in the snow well? Following
too closely and thinking they're the manwhen really the snow is the man.
You know. They think they gotit or they they're in there SUV with
with all the enhancements and they don'tthink they can crash, and they still
can. So overconfidence combined with followingtoo closely. I think it's some people

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that are like driving twenty five milesan hour that are more of a crash.
No, but if they're if they'rein the right lane and they're petrified
and they're going twenty five in theright lane, it's a problem a damn
place. Like get in the rightlane. Move they're running like the the

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Absolutely. My buddy down in Florida, his kids turn sixteen. Shown

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with the camera. Guys, hiskids turned sixteen two weeks address kid turned
sixteen. He just takes out theside of a car, right and he's
like begging. He's like, look, Lula, please, lord, do
not call the insurance. He's like, I will handle this. Here is
all my info. We can goto the bank right now. I'll get

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you deposit. He's like, plea, please, do not do not call
the incidence actually a man, Yeah, I guess he just mopped out the
front fender. So he's like,we can go to a body shot right
now. He's like, I will, I will handle it. You have
my word, please do not.So I think they were cool about it.

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Yeah they did so. Yeah,that's it gets ugly quick. Two
weeks man, two weeks it turnedof sixteen and get his license? Oh
was he just was he just notpaying attention because I mean it was just
kind of a scrape. There wasn'tany big deal. You know, he
told me the details, but wewere down there on a shoot, we

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were hustling doing something, and hejust I forgot it was his fault.
It wouldn't, you know, itwouldn't. But it was just a whoops.
And you know, it's a learningcurve when you're sixteen at sea time,
so you're not paying attention to everythingyou probably need to be paying attention
for. That's why people go toMike. But that's that's why you get
in the seat at twelve. Nowait what but yeah, he he just

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didn't want that insurance hit because itwould it would have been a good So
he made that happen. Think weall had that one friend, right,
Yeah? I had a friend ofhigh school. Tuesday turned sixteen. It
wasn't even a week mark. Whatwas Mark's Uh Mark. Mark was a
little punk too. He uh hewas Mark Mark Davis. Yeah, he

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had short man complex, big timeman, big tom. But he was
still he was a pretty decent jock, but big time the polling complex.
No, no, this is inhigh school in Kentucky. He got a
he got a Mazda r X sevenand it was it was all black.
It's all like. Everybody was like, oh, man, I think it
was a regular one. Everybody waslike, damn, what the fuck you

(01:15:54):
got? He got a mad rX seven, you know, a little
two seater car, and honestly gotfour or five days after he had it,
he smashed it up, just wipedit out. It wasn't my fault.
But seventeenth birthday, it was myfirst accident. Girl ran a red
light, totaled her car. Iwas in a little S ten Blazer.

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I had like a pie plate sizethat my car. Her car was totaled.
She ran the red light. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, youch
yeah I had. But you knowwhat sucked him? Mark came back with
like a freaking tea top Camaro.It's like his parents ruined that kid.
I'm like many reason too, man. I always thought he was a punk.

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I'm like, how do you geton? It's like, damn anyway,
Mark Davis, I think I sawhim at one reunion. I'm like,
yeah, Tom was not on yourside. Did you see what he
was driving? No, I didn'tcare. I've grown him. Had to

(01:16:58):
drop him off license right, No, he was the uber driver anyway.
Uh, well, the rats onit, so Sepo Sunday has the fun
there. Make sure look, obviouslythat puts a lot of people in the
in the way of some drinking anddriving issues. And make sure if you're

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if you are drinking, you findit, you know, just find a
way home. Man, we needevery one of you we got so be
saved out there. Don't be stupid, and make sure you know, especially
tomorrow, Uh, you got somebodythat that's there to take care of you
if you're you know, if you'repounding, because a lot of people will
be minutes, it's gonna be awild game. A lot of people just
hanging out with friends they haven't seena while, so that's always a good

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time. Just making sure if you'recelebrating good time, you get a good
way to get home. Uh,are you gonna put any wagers on the
game? Do you do that.Yeah, we'll do a we'll do a
uh you know, like the squaredeal. We'll get over there. I
don't have any regular bet so it'sit's kind of wild game. It's a
you know what, it is agreat We're teamed up with DraftKings, so

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we do a thing for if youuse a promo co KPI. But it
is a great day and an opportunityto bet on the game because for whatever
reason, I do not know why, but for whatever reason, they're still
giving San Francisco two. Really yeah, and to me that is that's alarming.
I would put I would put Patrickand the Boys of Kansas City ahead

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by seven to ten if I feelwith me, I'm pulling for San San
Francisco, right. I love theirstory before nine love and McCaffrey tie Shananton.
I love all that. Right however, Oh, just the whole combination
of the high powered outfans, thedefense, the pass rush there they aboule

(01:18:49):
to put on and have it inall the playoff games so far, they
really come on at the right time. You could see how you can say
some luck was sort of out therefor uh for San Francisco. I just
I don't see how I don't seehow you bet against Patrick Mahomes and experienced

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there. And to me, Ithink it's gonna be you know, seven
to ten points in favor of KansasCity, but I would be cheering for
San Francisco. I think it's gonnabe a good game, whoever wins.
I think it's gonna be exciting.No, I mean that's what that's what
you say when you don't care aboutit. But I'm gonna be yelling my
ass up, you know, aslong as it's a good game. And
I feel like the commercials are onpoint, because last few years commercials have

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really just been terrible. Just man. So I hope we all have a
good time. And Taylor set foreverybody out there watching. She just crossed
the international date line, did sheye? Y'all see the news? There
was news, it was It wasnews all over country yesterday. How Taylor
Swift sewed her jet because so manypeople have been pounding on her about her

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carbon footprint, and it made youthink, listen, it made you think
this, now she's gonna be trappingby boat or amtrak trained or something.
Right, here's the caveat to thewhole thing. She sold her small jet,
your dumb asses, she has tonsof She got like three of them,
she smolled, So the small jet, and she still has the big

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Everyone's like, oh, she soldher jet, you know, because all
the you know, pushback she's beengetting about fun here she's so the small
one. I don't know, Idon't know how they name these, but
this, this, I guess flightrecord is known as the football Era.
No. It is the number onetracked airplane in the world. Right now,

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there's forty nine hundred people watching herher little animation go across the ocean.
Isn't the're crazy? Jesus, Lookat all the planes. Oh those,
all the planes are in there rightnow. Yep, man, don't
let anybody presee you by your carbonfootprint. Don't even know. It's just
such trash. This look the wholereason they're able to do this, You

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know that, right, it's okayfor them. People that make the rules
are always immune to the governing ofthe rules, right, but they here's
how you know, it's why youone hundred percent know it's bs. It's
all a facade, right, justbecause you can buy carbon offsets, hey,
you know, traveling from here there, But as long as I write
a little check to the man,A carbon offset makes everything good. It

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was a real, like existential threat, and it was real like, oh
my god, Steve emergency A.You wouldn't have the likes of Obamas buying
beachfront property for millions of dollars andguess what, you wouldn't be able to
fly anywhere. You wouldn't be ableto buy a carbon effing offset, you
know, which is just an investmentin green you know, a green business
is such a scam, such ascam. Hey, just buy a carbon

(01:21:38):
offset all the planes. Gee,wow, that's a lot of that's a
lot. Of course, that's ridiculous. Of course, I do think that
human beings will take the planet allthe way down. I mean we we
just don't care. We will continueto fly, We will continue to do
what we do. Yeah, yeah, because it's not having there's no guess

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what, you know what you knowwhere we're gonna be in five years right
here, just like we were,just like in the sixty two other climate
catasrophe prediction since nineteen seventy two thatnone have come, none have come to
fruition, right none, And I'mnot I'm not sitting here going, oh,
we're not getting warmer, but guesswhat more, people, The biggest

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genocide is gonna come when this depopulationgarbage comes into play. We need to
reduce I think you were just sayingthe world he cannot form. They need
to reduce the world's population to onebillion. Excuse me, there's eight billion
people in the world on the globeright now. That's the biggest genocide.
When you take away the ability forpoor people to use things like natural gas,

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which is a clean burning energy.When you take things away like that,
who's the fact the poor people whenyou take away their food and increase
their food price. All of thisis all because government spending. How we
spend and how we borrow. That'sthe reason we're paying more for everything across
the board. That's the don't getme started. Ten fifty three, just
reel it back in. We'll talkabout some green day flipping that punch on

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the way. Okay, Yeah,you're gonna have to chill, man,
You're gonna be on the road inthe ice. You're gonna have to chill.
I'll be ye, Okay, that'sright, that's right. That's how
I wrote. I'll try that inthe golfer. I don't think I've ever
had in the golfer. Oh.Look, it's an exhilar ready experience.
I suggest you go for it onthe way home, all right, Love

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you guys, half of Man SuperBowl Sunday. We'll catch back up with
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