October 1, 2024 • 27 mins
Dr. Ashley and the Boss talk with Appleseed Counselor and Art Therapist Candace Ressler. Candace talks about what attracted her to art therapy, how she got her start, and what it looks like in practice. The focus is drawn to an upcoming local art therapy exhibit at AU’s Coburn Art Gallery on October 10, 2024, from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m. Food trucks onsite include City Sips, Dine and Dash, and Best Spudz!
(Record Date: May 7, 2024)
(Record Date: May 7, 2024)
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You're listening to the Keeping Ashland Healthy Podcast, a podcast
production of the Mental Health and Recovery Board of Ashland County, Ohio.
Thanks for joining us, and welcome to another edition of
the Doctor Ashley and the Boss podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
In studio with me is, of course, doctor Ashley Ackerman.
How are you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm doing well, doing well.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
And I always forget to you know, I've been listening
to some podcasts in the past, and I always forget
to say. I just say the Boss and people ask,
you know, what's your real name? Though, Oh yeah, so
I should probably say I am David Ross. I am
the executive doctor here at the Mental Health and Recovery Board.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are super excited, doctor Ashley, because in studio with
us is none other than drum roll.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Please that was my drum roll.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's really good.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Candace Wrestler welcome, Yes, thank you, thank you for having
me again.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Absolutely, and that's Candace is a veteran, she's been on
the program before.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But Doctor Ashley, you weren't with me.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You had left me alone, as you do sometimes, and
I was fending as best I could.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But cannas carry the episode.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I'm sorry I missed that. Yeah, but we get to
do it today.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We do it, and we're super excited because Candace, we'll
get to go Cannis a little bit in some of
the work she's doing over at Aplese Community Mental Health Center.
But also she's involved with an art exhibit that's coming up,
and we're really excited for our listeners to know about
that because we want them to attend and have a
good time and learn something.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And then I think towards the.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
End, we want to also talk about this whole idea
of art therapy in the future. I think it has
quite a bit of utility and I think it's going
to grow more than it already is. So without further
do Candas for our listening audience who maybe were derelict
and did not listen to your first episode or didn't
attend the RSVP conference where Candas had an opportunity to present,
(01:53):
maybe tell folks a little bit about yourself, where you work,
and a little bit about your education history, just to
get them grounded on who we are.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And what do Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So I am Cansas, thank you for the great intro.
I work at Appleseed Community Mental Health Center On Rocky Lane.
I have been working there for about two three years,
almost three years. That you WHOA, that's crazy that that
just was a recollection. So I've been working there for
(02:22):
three years. I do counseling and art therapy. There a
little background. I went to Kent State Stark for my
undergrad for psychology and minored and fine arts, and then
I went to Ursuline College for my graduate program, which
is a dual enrolled program for counseling and art therapy.
(02:45):
And so I am now a licensed professional clinical counselor
and I am working towards my art therapist words, my
board certification for art therapy. Right now, I'm just a
registered art therapist. I'm hoping to pass that test in July.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's exciting, very exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And we learned that Ursuline has probably has the pre
eminent program in Ohio for art therapy. We learned that
at the RSVP conference because one of your professors in
the past was our keynote.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes, so wow, Yeah, Ursuline is I think the only
one in Ohio. There's a couple in PA. And yeah,
it's really a great program that does the dual program
of counseling and art therapy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So yeah, that's great, cool, very exciting. And then you know,
a lot of our audience probably doesn't know about art
therapy being and offering at Appleseed or at any of
our partner agencies.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So you know, when.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Folks come in, do they just ask for it or
is it something that gets recommended to them by maybe
somebody at Intake or something.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, so I think, you know, three years ago, it
was just kind of like whoever got me kind of
got the art therapy.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Type thing, and if they didn't want it, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
But I think now it is something that is being
offered more with art Intake specialists. She says, Oh, you
like arts, you're creative, maybe this could be something that
you and then they get connected with me in the future.
I really hope that, like you know, people do have
more knowledge about the art therapy that's offered at apple Seed,
(04:23):
and like they specifically would be like I do get
a couple here and there that are like, I want
the art therapy because they heard from word of mouth
or from another person.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So well, in my view, my hope is that you
get so busy that they have to hire another one
because people find it so valuable. Yes, And one of
the things I learned from you last time was that
art therapy can be done in a group. It doesn't
have to be just an individual sessions. So maybe talk
a little bit of how that would work.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, So I started very individually based, just because it
was you know, art therapy isn't really known, So I
started more as an individual based kind of just growing
the program. And then now after I got back from
my maternity leave last March, I really dove into group
work and so I've been doing and running some groups
(05:16):
for ten to fifteen year olds, ten to fifteen insh
year olds, and then fifteen to seventeen year olds and
then now adults as well. So I am it was
that group specifically is more based towards like coping skills
and using art as a tool to be able to
cope and work through some things. And there are some
(05:37):
other groups coming up that are going to be more
expression based, which I'm really excited for. Actually, I have
a group coming up in June for clients that have
kind of gone through the art group and want to
paint and it's a really fun thing. But art as
a tool is where I kind of start and then
(05:58):
I go from there as they get more knowledge on
art therapy and use it more as like an exploration
the belief that art is a part of oneself and
they create it. It emits some like unconscious and unconscious
Oh my gosh, that words hard unconscious part of themselves,
(06:18):
so that they can uncover some things. I often work
with people who have a lot have experienced big traumas,
so it is a way that they can work through
some of that trauma without necessarily having to face it
head on. It gives it a little bit of an avenue.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
To express kind of indirect.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, an indirect way, so it's not so scary interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I thought, that's too Sorry to interrupt you. I so
I'm a mom. I have a ten year old boy,
and I was just thinking about like using that with
teens especially. I can see that that would be useful
because a lot of times when they're busy with their hands,
they can more freely or more comfortably talk. So I
can see that that would be really effective with that
(07:03):
age group.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, now, and that was you kind of we're going
where I was going. Which is one of the things
I've learned is that just because somebody is what I
would sometimes call doodling or you know, yeah, they that
doesn't mean they're not paying attention. In fact, in meetings
or even in trainings oftentimes that that is a way
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to help the person focus or learn or be engaged.
Where my initial thought was though, oh, I must be
boring them, or they're bored by what's going on. They're
bored so much that they feel the need to doodle.
So that's helped me, because you know, I just took
it real personal, Candice, and I just assumed I was
running really poor meetings of everybody was doodling.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You must have learned that from the RSVP commentence, Yeah, right,
I did, and I've held onto that close to my heart.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But yeah, so I think that's interesting when you said,
doctor Ashley, especially our young people, I don't know if
there's a relationship between so much time on devices and
less time with human beings. If you know, art as
a way to express or to ground might be more
and more popular with our younger folks, because, let's face it,
(08:15):
I think there are enough research that I'm convinced that
there's not as much in person verbal communication with our
younger generation. So maybe they struggle to have a talk
therapy traditional talk therapy session.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well that too, And I don't know if there's any
research on it, but I wonder if there's less creative
things happening at home these days because they are more
electronic things happening. So I'd be interested to know that.
But I think that that that's great that you're doing
that work.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. I did assault map. Did you know what that is?
Assault map when I was in grade school? See for
the audience.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Assault or assault assault.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
S a LT.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So you mixed up salt and some other substances to
create almost like a pace, almost like a clay. So
it ended up being like a sculpture of like could
have been planets, could have been the states, but they.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Were called salt maps. What was theirs of I think
I did States.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Okay, that's very cool, but yeah, so I've not heard
of that.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The whole idea was that, again, it's just for folks
that are over fifty.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We did a lot of that kind of stuff, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Know to what extent the schools have the young people
go home and do more kind of those artsy creative things.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, in my experience, my son's not coming home asking
to do those things or like with assignments to do them.
We do them because I love art, but I don't
know how much that's happening organically, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I again that's not the only reason, Candice, but
there's one reason why I think there's going to be
an increased need for art therapy as a medium or
as a venue, because I think our younger folks the
idea of them being comfortable verbally and again, as somebody
who used to see clients, younger clients, they always struggled, right,
because it's always a strange environment to be in with
(10:01):
a strange adult talking about things that maybe they're not
even sure that they want to talk about, are comfortable
talking about. So I always tried to engage and then
you know, whether it was a bit of play therapy
or something to get the conversation and the comfort level.
So I just think with art, particularly for our young people,
not exclusively, but particularly for our young people, just might
be that hook or that way to help get things going.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah. I do a lot of when I do a
lot of assessments, like structured artwork to start them off
so that they're not so scared of a blank page
and then they go a lot of the times there's
just like this like general progression with clients, especially my teenagers,
who like are like, oh I can I can do this,
and then they'll like get into it. And then I'll
(10:46):
basically be like, okay, so what do you want to
do today? And they'll be like, I want a water
color and then they just start water coloring while they're
talking about this stuff with me. It's really cool to
see the progression of like, uh, what am I supposed
to be doing with this piece of paper versus oh,
today I'm going to do this, and then I just
give them the supplies and we work through whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So it's really cool. And she touched on something, doctor Ashery,
have you ever seen me create anything artistic?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Not traditionally artistic, but this room is one example.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It was creative.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So I guess my fear would be, you know, the
person that comes into your offices as Candice, I'm not artsy,
I can't do anything. How would you help maybe lower
that anxiety of the person who doesn't think they're artsy
at all? And I can barely do a stick figure.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I get this a lot. I get this so much,
actually a lot of people will come in and be like, well,
I don't do like I'm not creative, and so I
challenge them a little bit and say, yeah, I know, right,
challenge them a little bit, and I say, well, I
kind of get them to tell me what they are
creative and whether it be and I kind of mentioned
this at the conference, but whether it be through your fashion,
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whether it be through cooking, whether it be through other
things that they dance, yoga, sports, even.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Different ways somebody could be artistic because they might be
thinking classically like drawing or painting.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I see and so, and then I say, look too,
I kind of give like my little rundown of what
art therapy is, and I try to break it down
because it's not like the traditional art classes, like they
go to class and they're like being graded on a
very subjective piece, and it's like what this is not
that it's more about the process of creating versus what
(12:29):
they actually make. And so I give that too to them,
and I think it does take off some of the
pressure of like, Okay, if this turns out icky because
I'm creating ikey emotion, that's okay. That's kind of the point.
So I think that helps too. Once I've kind of
given that, I don't know, ability to let go of
(12:51):
whatever preconceived ideas they've they're creating. I still get a
lot of clients that are like, I just do not
like this. It did not turn out the way they wanted.
And oftentimes what I'll do if that happens is I'll
have it saved in their folder and then I'll bring
it out the next session and we'll talk about it again.
And then, like with new eyes, I feel like they
see things differently, and it's it's interesting, I think. Two,
(13:17):
it can be very telling those people who get a
little really caught up on things like that perfectionistic tendencies,
and so then we have something new to like work
on too, of like, all right, so where's this coming from?
Why are we being so hard on ourselves with this
piece that you know isn't isn't you know, make or break?
It's you know. So it's interesting all the avenues that
(13:38):
art therapy can kind of open up to.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, well there is an event coming up. I know
we wanted to talk to our audience about and you
first told me about this, and I said, we have
got to talk about this on the podcast because you know,
I want the community, the broader Ashon County community to
be more familiar of art therapy, of course, but also
(14:01):
ways that can happen that are outside go into a
counseling session or going to a conference. So could you
tell us a little bit about an upcoming art exhibit
that I believe it's going to be on the campus
of Ashton University.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It is, Okay, So this art exhibit is gonna be
called Seeds of Hope, you know, a little spin off
of Apple Seeds. So I've been working with Cynthia who
it runs the gallery at Ashland University, Coburn Gallery, and
we collaborated to make an art show for clients artwork.
(14:34):
So this is something that I've been really wanting to
push because I've seen it work in other communities and
it's really empowering for clients to get to see their
artwork up and to maybe share a little piece of themselves. Okay,
So starting that, well, starting basically in February, I've started
kind of getting clients to open up and think about
(14:55):
the idea of sharing their arts. So I've gotten a
couple people's permission and reflections on the art. Actually some
of the art was shown at RSVP conference at a table,
so a.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Little preview, if you will.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And this is going to be for clients, and anyone
may be associated with Apple Seed. I'm kind of making
it a little loose, so like if they're in the
school daison program or whatever it is. But anyone who
wants to share art, they are able to make a submission.
And I always kind of let them know that their
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name is not going to be associated to the art,
just because of hip and confidentiality and wanting to protect them.
But if they wanted to go and see their art
and tell everyone that they created it, that is completely fine.
It's whatever they're wanting, so they can have that space.
But yeah, so I'm really excited about this. It's going
to be running from October tenth. There's going to be
an open night that night of reception, I think, if
(15:53):
you will, And I don't know the timeframe of that,
so I will work on those details, but I know
they're finishing up on a lot of school stuff right now,
but October tenth, and it's going to run from October
tenth to November tenth, so really exciting stuff. Half of
the art gallery is going to be apple seed artwork,
and then the other half is going to be creative
(16:16):
expressions I think is the title, and it's going to
actually be artwork from art therapists. So they're asking cool
art therapists around the state of Ohio to submit their artwork.
I think the deadline is July, but you can submit
up to two artworks for any art therapist in the
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state of Ohio from the last four years.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
So that's also really really cool concept. Yeah, like having
both there right, really excited to go, right.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So obviously the individuals that are producing the artwork and
want to share that, but then also the art therapist
from their lens, like, I'll be interested to see what
they come up with me too, So does it reflect
them personally or is it an expression of them working
with with folks.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
It would be interesting. We're kind of hard.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I think there's going to be like a lot actually,
because I feel like art therapists are innately creative, like
that's why they got into this work, and so I
have I'm hoping to submit some artwork too, and I
think one piece I'm going to do kind of more
reflective of like my work that I do and how
I've been working in this community for the last three years,
and the other is going to be more personal because
(17:23):
of like my own personal journeys. So it's kind of
interesting to get to see both parts. It'll be really
I'm excited to see who all I've been sharing it
with all my art therapy friends.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
As they submit, and how those two things go together
and how they don't.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm just I'm just throwing ideas, like.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I'm super excited to know I didn't know about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, we will, you know, for our listeners.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We always try to put as much of the details
in the podcast description in terms of what Candice is
mentioned about the dates, as well as how to access
tickets or horror they're going to do that. We'll have
all that in the episode description. So if you're driving
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You don't have to remember it. We'll provide that information
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Speaker 1 (18:17):
But I am the boss, so I usually make you
talk to doctor Ashley.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Give me a call, and she's much more pleasant. That's true.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm just kidding, can As.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You heard that, totally kidding.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't know what it means.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'm wondering a question that came up from you when
you're talking though, what what is the reception of like
clients when you bring that up to them about like
having art at this display.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, so I have had I've had, you know, two
sides of the coin I've had in my groups. They've
been kind of baiting it, like, hey, there might be
an art show coming up. What are you And like
almost everyone's like, oh, look at this piece that I
made from this time, and they're sharing it and then
they're really excited and it's really cool to get to
see that. And I also have some clients that I'm like, hey,
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our goal is to work past our social anxiety. Let's
maybe make a goal for ourselves that in October, maybe
we're sharing something as like a way to work towards
some healing past our anxiety too. So and it's a
little nerve wracking sometimes, so and you know, I always
let the client lead, so I'm not going to push
in any other way, but like giving them the opportunity
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to think about what their goals are.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And I love though that you're trying to you know,
you're trying to make it anonymous and just trying to
remove some of those anxiety barriers that might be getting
in the way, just to help them because I am
again I don't know if you're using this, but they
may or may not realize that by someone else who
comes to the exhibit, who maybe nobody else knows that
they're struggling with something and they see somebody else's piece,
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how that might be helpful to somebody else. I mean,
it's hard for us to quantify that because so much
of the healing that happens in this community, like other communities,
it is very unknown to you know, most of the
populace or certainly the professionals. You know, not everybody goes
to an Apple Seed or a Catholic Charities or a CADA,
which are the contract partners of the board. A lot
of healing and help takes place informally in things like this,
(20:14):
and that's why I'm so excited that you're partnering with
the college to do this, because folks that we don't
even know about that might be struggling go to an
event like this find meaning in it. Maybe they're inspired themselves.
Maybe you know, they start getting more involved with art therapy,
or they open up and talk to somebody maybe even
there at the event, about what's going on for them.
So that's why I get so excited because there's always
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what we call hopefully the positive unintended consequences of these
kinds of events that I just get jazzed about.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, I think there's like an empowering piece too for
clients to be able to see their artwork and then
have that also, you know, if they're standing there and
someone's like, oh, that's really cool, like I would, right,
and if they read the reflection and then they like
get to you know, communicate with someone else about you know.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
How many folks do you work with cannas And I
know Ashley and I both work with folks in the
past that maybe they don't get a whole of that
positive feedback. They've had plenty of negative, but they don't
always hear some of that praise or that positive feedback
and hearing that from a stranger essentially, and they're just
listening to that.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I think that can be really helpful.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Oh yeah, I think I think I've seen that in
other Like I said, other communities in Akron, in Worcester
where I've witnessed the interaction between clients and you know,
just the viewers and it's really it is very That's
why I wanted to do this because I know it
can be very empowering and inspiring and well.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And that leads me maybe the last discussion area that
I had on my mind, which is canas your experience
matters And you know, you've said some things, You've seen
some things in other communities, and I appreciate you bringing
some of those experiences to Ashland County again trying to
make Ashland, you know, benefit in a similar way to
those other cities.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That you've been in.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So what do you see as the future of art
therapy in Ashland County? Just from your seat in your perspective,
and you've got to I think, a valuable perspective.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
So I have seen, you know, art therapy kind of
seep down because there are sins up in Cleveland, so
it kind of seeps down. Cleveland's got a lot of
therapist But I'm really hoping and seeing that there's going
to be more art therapy in the town of Ashland.
I am hoping for myself after I get board certified,
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that I can bring in some interns and provide some
more groups that they can run and things like that.
I could foresee us having a couple different providers. And
I'm really hoping that just with the changes too with licensure,
art therapy is now going to be under the OHIO
credentialing boards, so it's going to be more available and
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things are going to change with an insurances and what
they accept and stuff too. So I think that's going
to only build art therapy because it's now you know,
this scene type of treatment.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
One of the things that OHIO is really big on
right now is peer support. And I thought about peer
support in the area of art therapy, and I thought,
how interesting would that be to have a younger person
in particular working with other young people somebody, you know,
not that Candace Candas is very young too, don't get
me wrong, but having peers you know, that are similar
age working with you know, whether it's teenagers working with
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younger kids.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You know what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I just think there could be some real advantages of
that peer to peer approach when it comes to art therapy,
but I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Had not thought of that.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I really like the idea, So I'm with you. I
hope you're correct, Candis. I think you are. That is
going to continue to grow. And as young people here
in Ashley County here this podcast and they go to
the exhibit in October. The simplest way to make a
gross ask for it. So if where if you're engaging
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with your school community liaison at any of the Ashton
County schools which the Board supports the school community liaison
through the Levey, which we appreciate so much from our community,
ask for it. If you're at one of the agencies
and you really want to try that because you know
that that's a way you can express yourself maybe better
than verbal, ask for it. As more and more folks,
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I think Cannas and doctor Ashley they asked for it.
We as a board, as a funder, we try to
respond to emerging needs and we try to fund those
things appropriately. So as the need and demand grows up
for services, we try to meet that. So I would
just encourage audience and this goes for parents, you know,
grandparents that maybe you've got a son, daughter or grandson granddaughter,
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and you've seen that in them that you know, you
can say to the therapist that intake. You know, Johnny Janie,
they're super artistic, just so you know that you know,
and I've seen them express themselves in this way that way,
So I say this to parents as well. Provide that
information head intake. We don't know and you know sometimes
when we're doing those assessments and thus we're told, you know, information.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I think that's great. One of the things that we
talked about recently too with the board is the three
legs of the stool, and I think that we definitely
see the value in creativity and using that for therapeutic purposes.
There's something deeply human about suffering, right, we all go
through hard times, but there's also something deeply human about creativity,
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and they are connected.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I think.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
So this is great work and I'm glad it's here
in Ashland County, So thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
We have been speaking with Canus wrestler. Cannus works over
at Applesea Community Mental Health Center.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Cannis.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
We are so appreciative of your time this morning, and
we are excited to see where the future takes us
here in Ashton County and beyond and for you and
for how you're developing and you're growing this service in
Ashton County. Ashton County is better because of the work
that you're doing here. So thank you so much. As
I say, we've got the Seeds of Hope exhibit coming
up October tenth through November tenth. Additional information will be
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in the podcast description. But any final words Doctor Ashley
or Candas before we sign off today, I just want to.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Say thank you so much. You're doing such great work
and it's a pleasure to agree years.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So thanks you guys for making me blush. I appreciate it. Yeah,
it's been really fun, excellent.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
We will see you all next time.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Thank you for listening to another episode of the Keeping
Ashland Healthy podcast. The podcast is a production of the
Mental Health and Recovery Board of Ashland County, Ohio. You
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eight one three one three nine. Please remember that the
Board funds a local twenty four to seven crisis line
through Applesea Community Mental Health Center.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It can be reached by.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Calling four one nine two eight nine six to one
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Speaker 4 (27:00):
F
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You're listening to the Keeping Ashland Healthy Podcast, a podcast
production of the Mental Health and Recovery Board of Ashland County, Ohio.
Thanks for joining us, and welcome to another edition of
the Doctor Ashley and the Boss podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
In studio with me is, of course, doctor Ashley Ackerman.
How are you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I'm doing well, doing well.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
And I always forget to you know, I've been listening
to some podcasts in the past, and I always forget
to say. I just say the Boss and people ask,
you know, what's your real name? Though, Oh yeah, so
I should probably say I am David Ross. I am
the executive doctor here at the Mental Health and Recovery Board.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We are super excited, doctor Ashley, because in studio with
us is none other than drum roll.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Please that was my drum roll.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's really good.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Candace Wrestler welcome, Yes, thank you, thank you for having
me again.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Absolutely, and that's Candace is a veteran, she's been on
the program before.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But Doctor Ashley, you weren't with me.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You had left me alone, as you do sometimes, and
I was fending as best I could.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But cannas carry the episode.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I'm sorry I missed that. Yeah, but we get to
do it today.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We do it, and we're super excited because Candace, we'll
get to go Cannis a little bit in some of
the work she's doing over at Aplese Community Mental Health Center.
But also she's involved with an art exhibit that's coming up,
and we're really excited for our listeners to know about
that because we want them to attend and have a
good time and learn something.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And then I think towards the.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
End, we want to also talk about this whole idea
of art therapy in the future. I think it has
quite a bit of utility and I think it's going
to grow more than it already is. So without further
do Candas for our listening audience who maybe were derelict
and did not listen to your first episode or didn't
attend the RSVP conference where Candas had an opportunity to present,
(01:53):
maybe tell folks a little bit about yourself, where you work,
and a little bit about your education history, just to
get them grounded on who we are.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And what do Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
So I am Cansas, thank you for the great intro.
I work at Appleseed Community Mental Health Center On Rocky Lane.
I have been working there for about two three years,
almost three years. That you WHOA, that's crazy that that
just was a recollection. So I've been working there for
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three years. I do counseling and art therapy. There a
little background. I went to Kent State Stark for my
undergrad for psychology and minored and fine arts, and then
I went to Ursuline College for my graduate program, which
is a dual enrolled program for counseling and art therapy.
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And so I am now a licensed professional clinical counselor
and I am working towards my art therapist words, my
board certification for art therapy. Right now, I'm just a
registered art therapist. I'm hoping to pass that test in July.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's exciting, very exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And we learned that Ursuline has probably has the pre
eminent program in Ohio for art therapy. We learned that
at the RSVP conference because one of your professors in
the past was our keynote.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yes, so wow, Yeah, Ursuline is I think the only
one in Ohio. There's a couple in PA. And yeah,
it's really a great program that does the dual program
of counseling and art therapy.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So yeah, that's great, cool, very exciting. And then you know,
a lot of our audience probably doesn't know about art
therapy being and offering at Appleseed or at any of
our partner agencies.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
So you know, when.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Folks come in, do they just ask for it or
is it something that gets recommended to them by maybe
somebody at Intake or something.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, so I think, you know, three years ago, it
was just kind of like whoever got me kind of
got the art therapy.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Type thing, and if they didn't want it, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
But I think now it is something that is being
offered more with art Intake specialists. She says, Oh, you
like arts, you're creative, maybe this could be something that
you and then they get connected with me in the future.
I really hope that, like you know, people do have
more knowledge about the art therapy that's offered at apple Seed,
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and like they specifically would be like I do get
a couple here and there that are like, I want
the art therapy because they heard from word of mouth
or from another person.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So well, in my view, my hope is that you
get so busy that they have to hire another one
because people find it so valuable. Yes, And one of
the things I learned from you last time was that
art therapy can be done in a group. It doesn't
have to be just an individual sessions. So maybe talk
a little bit of how that would work.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, So I started very individually based, just because it
was you know, art therapy isn't really known, So I
started more as an individual based kind of just growing
the program. And then now after I got back from
my maternity leave last March, I really dove into group
work and so I've been doing and running some groups
(05:16):
for ten to fifteen year olds, ten to fifteen insh
year olds, and then fifteen to seventeen year olds and
then now adults as well. So I am it was
that group specifically is more based towards like coping skills
and using art as a tool to be able to
cope and work through some things. And there are some
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other groups coming up that are going to be more
expression based, which I'm really excited for. Actually, I have
a group coming up in June for clients that have
kind of gone through the art group and want to
paint and it's a really fun thing. But art as
a tool is where I kind of start and then
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I go from there as they get more knowledge on
art therapy and use it more as like an exploration
the belief that art is a part of oneself and
they create it. It emits some like unconscious and unconscious
Oh my gosh, that words hard unconscious part of themselves,
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so that they can uncover some things. I often work
with people who have a lot have experienced big traumas,
so it is a way that they can work through
some of that trauma without necessarily having to face it
head on. It gives it a little bit of an avenue.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
To express kind of indirect.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, an indirect way, so it's not so scary interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I thought, that's too Sorry to interrupt you. I so
I'm a mom. I have a ten year old boy,
and I was just thinking about like using that with
teens especially. I can see that that would be useful
because a lot of times when they're busy with their hands,
they can more freely or more comfortably talk. So I
can see that that would be really effective with that
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age group.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, now, and that was you kind of we're going
where I was going. Which is one of the things
I've learned is that just because somebody is what I
would sometimes call doodling or you know, yeah, they that
doesn't mean they're not paying attention. In fact, in meetings
or even in trainings oftentimes that that is a way
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to help the person focus or learn or be engaged.
Where my initial thought was though, oh, I must be
boring them, or they're bored by what's going on. They're
bored so much that they feel the need to doodle.
So that's helped me, because you know, I just took
it real personal, Candice, and I just assumed I was
running really poor meetings of everybody was doodling.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
You must have learned that from the RSVP commentence, Yeah, right,
I did, and I've held onto that close to my heart.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But yeah, so I think that's interesting when you said,
doctor Ashley, especially our young people, I don't know if
there's a relationship between so much time on devices and
less time with human beings. If you know, art as
a way to express or to ground might be more
and more popular with our younger folks, because, let's face it,
(08:15):
I think there are enough research that I'm convinced that
there's not as much in person verbal communication with our
younger generation. So maybe they struggle to have a talk
therapy traditional talk therapy session.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well that too, And I don't know if there's any
research on it, but I wonder if there's less creative
things happening at home these days because they are more
electronic things happening. So I'd be interested to know that.
But I think that that that's great that you're doing
that work.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. I did assault map. Did you know what that is?
Assault map when I was in grade school? See for
the audience.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Assault or assault assault.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
S a LT.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So you mixed up salt and some other substances to
create almost like a pace, almost like a clay. So
it ended up being like a sculpture of like could
have been planets, could have been the states, but they.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Were called salt maps. What was theirs of I think
I did States.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Okay, that's very cool, but yeah, so I've not heard
of that.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
The whole idea was that, again, it's just for folks
that are over fifty.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We did a lot of that kind of stuff, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Know to what extent the schools have the young people
go home and do more kind of those artsy creative things.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, in my experience, my son's not coming home asking
to do those things or like with assignments to do them.
We do them because I love art, but I don't
know how much that's happening organically, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So I again that's not the only reason, Candice, but
there's one reason why I think there's going to be
an increased need for art therapy as a medium or
as a venue, because I think our younger folks the
idea of them being comfortable verbally and again, as somebody
who used to see clients, younger clients, they always struggled, right,
because it's always a strange environment to be in with
(10:01):
a strange adult talking about things that maybe they're not
even sure that they want to talk about, are comfortable
talking about. So I always tried to engage and then
you know, whether it was a bit of play therapy
or something to get the conversation and the comfort level.
So I just think with art, particularly for our young people,
not exclusively, but particularly for our young people, just might
be that hook or that way to help get things going.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Yeah. I do a lot of when I do a
lot of assessments, like structured artwork to start them off
so that they're not so scared of a blank page
and then they go a lot of the times there's
just like this like general progression with clients, especially my teenagers,
who like are like, oh I can I can do this,
and then they'll like get into it. And then I'll
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basically be like, okay, so what do you want to
do today? And they'll be like, I want a water
color and then they just start water coloring while they're
talking about this stuff with me. It's really cool to
see the progression of like, uh, what am I supposed
to be doing with this piece of paper versus oh,
today I'm going to do this, and then I just
give them the supplies and we work through whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So it's really cool. And she touched on something, doctor Ashery,
have you ever seen me create anything artistic?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Not traditionally artistic, but this room is one example.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It was creative.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So I guess my fear would be, you know, the
person that comes into your offices as Candice, I'm not artsy,
I can't do anything. How would you help maybe lower
that anxiety of the person who doesn't think they're artsy
at all? And I can barely do a stick figure.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I get this a lot. I get this so much,
actually a lot of people will come in and be like, well,
I don't do like I'm not creative, and so I
challenge them a little bit and say, yeah, I know, right,
challenge them a little bit, and I say, well, I
kind of get them to tell me what they are
creative and whether it be and I kind of mentioned
this at the conference, but whether it be through your fashion,
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whether it be through cooking, whether it be through other
things that they dance, yoga, sports, even.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Different ways somebody could be artistic because they might be
thinking classically like drawing or painting.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I see and so, and then I say, look too,
I kind of give like my little rundown of what
art therapy is, and I try to break it down
because it's not like the traditional art classes, like they
go to class and they're like being graded on a
very subjective piece, and it's like what this is not
that it's more about the process of creating versus what
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they actually make. And so I give that too to them,
and I think it does take off some of the
pressure of like, Okay, if this turns out icky because
I'm creating ikey emotion, that's okay. That's kind of the point.
So I think that helps too. Once I've kind of
given that, I don't know, ability to let go of
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whatever preconceived ideas they've they're creating. I still get a
lot of clients that are like, I just do not
like this. It did not turn out the way they wanted.
And oftentimes what I'll do if that happens is I'll
have it saved in their folder and then I'll bring
it out the next session and we'll talk about it again.
And then, like with new eyes, I feel like they
see things differently, and it's it's interesting, I think. Two,
(13:17):
it can be very telling those people who get a
little really caught up on things like that perfectionistic tendencies,
and so then we have something new to like work
on too, of like, all right, so where's this coming from?
Why are we being so hard on ourselves with this
piece that you know isn't isn't you know, make or break?
It's you know. So it's interesting all the avenues that
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art therapy can kind of open up to.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, well there is an event coming up. I know
we wanted to talk to our audience about and you
first told me about this, and I said, we have
got to talk about this on the podcast because you know,
I want the community, the broader Ashon County community to
be more familiar of art therapy, of course, but also
(14:01):
ways that can happen that are outside go into a
counseling session or going to a conference. So could you
tell us a little bit about an upcoming art exhibit
that I believe it's going to be on the campus
of Ashton University.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It is, Okay, So this art exhibit is gonna be
called Seeds of Hope, you know, a little spin off
of Apple Seeds. So I've been working with Cynthia who
it runs the gallery at Ashland University, Coburn Gallery, and
we collaborated to make an art show for clients artwork.
(14:34):
So this is something that I've been really wanting to
push because I've seen it work in other communities and
it's really empowering for clients to get to see their
artwork up and to maybe share a little piece of themselves. Okay,
So starting that, well, starting basically in February, I've started
kind of getting clients to open up and think about
(14:55):
the idea of sharing their arts. So I've gotten a
couple people's permission and reflections on the art. Actually some
of the art was shown at RSVP conference at a table,
so a.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Little preview, if you will.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
And this is going to be for clients, and anyone
may be associated with Apple Seed. I'm kind of making
it a little loose, so like if they're in the
school daison program or whatever it is. But anyone who
wants to share art, they are able to make a submission.
And I always kind of let them know that their
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name is not going to be associated to the art,
just because of hip and confidentiality and wanting to protect them.
But if they wanted to go and see their art
and tell everyone that they created it, that is completely fine.
It's whatever they're wanting, so they can have that space.
But yeah, so I'm really excited about this. It's going
to be running from October tenth. There's going to be
an open night that night of reception, I think, if
(15:53):
you will, And I don't know the timeframe of that,
so I will work on those details, but I know
they're finishing up on a lot of school stuff right now,
but October tenth, and it's going to run from October
tenth to November tenth, so really exciting stuff. Half of
the art gallery is going to be apple seed artwork,
and then the other half is going to be creative
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expressions I think is the title, and it's going to
actually be artwork from art therapists. So they're asking cool
art therapists around the state of Ohio to submit their artwork.
I think the deadline is July, but you can submit
up to two artworks for any art therapist in the
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state of Ohio from the last four years.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
So that's also really really cool concept. Yeah, like having
both there right, really excited to go, right.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
So obviously the individuals that are producing the artwork and
want to share that, but then also the art therapist
from their lens, like, I'll be interested to see what
they come up with me too, So does it reflect
them personally or is it an expression of them working
with with folks.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
It would be interesting. We're kind of hard.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I think there's going to be like a lot actually,
because I feel like art therapists are innately creative, like
that's why they got into this work, and so I
have I'm hoping to submit some artwork too, and I
think one piece I'm going to do kind of more
reflective of like my work that I do and how
I've been working in this community for the last three years,
and the other is going to be more personal because
(17:23):
of like my own personal journeys. So it's kind of
interesting to get to see both parts. It'll be really
I'm excited to see who all I've been sharing it
with all my art therapy friends.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
As they submit, and how those two things go together
and how they don't.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I'm just I'm just throwing ideas, like.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I'm super excited to know I didn't know about that.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, we will, you know, for our listeners.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
We always try to put as much of the details
in the podcast description in terms of what Candice is
mentioned about the dates, as well as how to access
tickets or horror they're going to do that. We'll have
all that in the episode description. So if you're driving
right now and you're listening, it's okay, don't worry about it.
You don't have to remember it. We'll provide that information
for you. And we always have, you know, information available
(18:06):
on any of the things we talked about on the
Keeping National Healthy podcast by calling the office at four
one nine, two eight, one three three nine, so you
can ask for doctor Ashley and I might talk to you.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
But I am the boss, so I usually make you
talk to doctor Ashley.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Give me a call, and she's much more pleasant. That's true.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm just kidding, can As.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You heard that, totally kidding.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I don't know what it means.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'm wondering a question that came up from you when
you're talking though, what what is the reception of like
clients when you bring that up to them about like
having art at this display.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, so I have had I've had, you know, two
sides of the coin I've had in my groups. They've
been kind of baiting it, like, hey, there might be
an art show coming up. What are you And like
almost everyone's like, oh, look at this piece that I
made from this time, and they're sharing it and then
they're really excited and it's really cool to get to
see that. And I also have some clients that I'm like, hey,
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our goal is to work past our social anxiety. Let's
maybe make a goal for ourselves that in October, maybe
we're sharing something as like a way to work towards
some healing past our anxiety too. So and it's a
little nerve wracking sometimes, so and you know, I always
let the client lead, so I'm not going to push
in any other way, but like giving them the opportunity
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to think about what their goals are.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And I love though that you're trying to you know,
you're trying to make it anonymous and just trying to
remove some of those anxiety barriers that might be getting
in the way, just to help them because I am
again I don't know if you're using this, but they
may or may not realize that by someone else who
comes to the exhibit, who maybe nobody else knows that
they're struggling with something and they see somebody else's piece,
(19:50):
how that might be helpful to somebody else. I mean,
it's hard for us to quantify that because so much
of the healing that happens in this community, like other communities,
it is very unknown to you know, most of the
populace or certainly the professionals. You know, not everybody goes
to an Apple Seed or a Catholic Charities or a CADA,
which are the contract partners of the board. A lot
of healing and help takes place informally in things like this,
(20:14):
and that's why I'm so excited that you're partnering with
the college to do this, because folks that we don't
even know about that might be struggling go to an
event like this find meaning in it. Maybe they're inspired themselves.
Maybe you know, they start getting more involved with art therapy,
or they open up and talk to somebody maybe even
there at the event, about what's going on for them.
So that's why I get so excited because there's always
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what we call hopefully the positive unintended consequences of these
kinds of events that I just get jazzed about.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, I think there's like an empowering piece too for
clients to be able to see their artwork and then
have that also, you know, if they're standing there and
someone's like, oh, that's really cool, like I would, right,
and if they read the reflection and then they like
get to you know, communicate with someone else about you know.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
How many folks do you work with cannas And I
know Ashley and I both work with folks in the
past that maybe they don't get a whole of that
positive feedback. They've had plenty of negative, but they don't
always hear some of that praise or that positive feedback
and hearing that from a stranger essentially, and they're just
listening to that.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I think that can be really helpful.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Oh yeah, I think I think I've seen that in
other Like I said, other communities in Akron, in Worcester
where I've witnessed the interaction between clients and you know,
just the viewers and it's really it is very That's
why I wanted to do this because I know it
can be very empowering and inspiring and well.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And that leads me maybe the last discussion area that
I had on my mind, which is canas your experience
matters And you know, you've said some things, You've seen
some things in other communities, and I appreciate you bringing
some of those experiences to Ashland County again trying to
make Ashland, you know, benefit in a similar way to
those other cities.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That you've been in.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So what do you see as the future of art
therapy in Ashland County? Just from your seat in your perspective,
and you've got to I think, a valuable perspective.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
So I have seen, you know, art therapy kind of
seep down because there are sins up in Cleveland, so
it kind of seeps down. Cleveland's got a lot of
therapist But I'm really hoping and seeing that there's going
to be more art therapy in the town of Ashland.
I am hoping for myself after I get board certified,
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that I can bring in some interns and provide some
more groups that they can run and things like that.
I could foresee us having a couple different providers. And
I'm really hoping that just with the changes too with licensure,
art therapy is now going to be under the OHIO
credentialing boards, so it's going to be more available and
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things are going to change with an insurances and what
they accept and stuff too. So I think that's going
to only build art therapy because it's now you know,
this scene type of treatment.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
One of the things that OHIO is really big on
right now is peer support. And I thought about peer
support in the area of art therapy, and I thought,
how interesting would that be to have a younger person
in particular working with other young people somebody, you know,
not that Candace Candas is very young too, don't get
me wrong, but having peers you know, that are similar
age working with you know, whether it's teenagers working with
(23:30):
younger kids.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
You know what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
I just think there could be some real advantages of
that peer to peer approach when it comes to art therapy,
but I don't know, I.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Had not thought of that.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I really like the idea, So I'm with you. I
hope you're correct, Candis. I think you are. That is
going to continue to grow. And as young people here
in Ashley County here this podcast and they go to
the exhibit in October. The simplest way to make a
gross ask for it. So if where if you're engaging
(24:02):
with your school community liaison at any of the Ashton
County schools which the Board supports the school community liaison
through the Levey, which we appreciate so much from our community,
ask for it. If you're at one of the agencies
and you really want to try that because you know
that that's a way you can express yourself maybe better
than verbal, ask for it. As more and more folks,
(24:23):
I think Cannas and doctor Ashley they asked for it.
We as a board, as a funder, we try to
respond to emerging needs and we try to fund those
things appropriately. So as the need and demand grows up
for services, we try to meet that. So I would
just encourage audience and this goes for parents, you know,
grandparents that maybe you've got a son, daughter or grandson granddaughter,
(24:46):
and you've seen that in them that you know, you
can say to the therapist that intake. You know, Johnny Janie,
they're super artistic, just so you know that you know,
and I've seen them express themselves in this way that way,
So I say this to parents as well. Provide that
information head intake. We don't know and you know sometimes
when we're doing those assessments and thus we're told, you know, information.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I think that's great. One of the things that we
talked about recently too with the board is the three
legs of the stool, and I think that we definitely
see the value in creativity and using that for therapeutic purposes.
There's something deeply human about suffering, right, we all go
through hard times, but there's also something deeply human about creativity,
(25:30):
and they are connected.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I think.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
So this is great work and I'm glad it's here
in Ashland County, So thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
We have been speaking with Canus wrestler. Cannus works over
at Applesea Community Mental Health Center.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Cannis.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
We are so appreciative of your time this morning, and
we are excited to see where the future takes us
here in Ashton County and beyond and for you and
for how you're developing and you're growing this service in
Ashton County. Ashton County is better because of the work
that you're doing here. So thank you so much. As
I say, we've got the Seeds of Hope exhibit coming
up October tenth through November tenth. Additional information will be
(26:07):
in the podcast description. But any final words Doctor Ashley
or Candas before we sign off today, I just want to.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Say thank you so much. You're doing such great work
and it's a pleasure to agree years.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So thanks you guys for making me blush. I appreciate it. Yeah,
it's been really fun, excellent.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
We will see you all next time.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Thank you for listening to another episode of the Keeping
Ashland Healthy podcast. The podcast is a production of the
Mental Health and Recovery Board of Ashland County, Ohio. You
can reach the board by calling four one nine two
eight one three one three nine. Please remember that the
Board funds a local twenty four to seven crisis line
through Applesea Community Mental Health Center.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It can be reached by.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Calling four one nine two eight nine six to one
one one. That's four one nine, two eight nine six
to one one one. Until next time, Please join us
in keeping Ashland healthy.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
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